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In the United States explained the silence of Moscow on the ZRS C-500

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Excessive advertising of the C-500 anti-aircraft missile system, which exceeds the C-400 Triumph in its characteristics, may hamper the promotion of the latter on the international market, the magazine writes National Interest.

In the United States explained the silence of Moscow on the ZRS C-500


According to the author of the material, the range of missiles of the C-500 complex is 600 km, which is 200 km greater than the C-400 range. In addition, the latest system has the ability to simultaneously track and destroy up to ten targets moving at speeds up to 6,5 km per second. Its locators are also capable of detecting subtle air objects.

In this regard, the publication concludes that the scant coverage of the creation process of the C-500 is most likely not due to technological difficulties, but to economic considerations.

That is, Moscow fears that the release of C-500 may undermine the huge export success of the C-400 system,
Says the article.

Currently, Almaz-Antey engineers are completing the development of the advanced Prometheus C-500 anti-aircraft system. The radar of this system, which is the development of the 96Л6Е radar, is equipped with an active phased antenna array and is capable of detecting air targets over the entire frequency range, identifying their membership according to the “friend or foe” principle. According to data from open sources, Prometheus will receive an ultra-long-range guided missile 40H6 with a height of damage 200-250 km.

Earlier it was reported that the delivery of the first C-500 complexes to the troops is planned for 2020 year.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 10 January 2019 13: 26
    -9
    When to wait for the promised S-700 Zhirinovsky?
    Three years can not do!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 January 2019 13: 28
      -7
      By 2030 they will make a sketch - C 700
      1. dirk182
        dirk182 10 January 2019 14: 33
        -7
        by 2030 there will be technology to create plasma screens over the country ....
        1. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 10 January 2019 15: 02
          +5
          Plasma is better to create over a foreign country.
    2. cniza
      cniza 10 January 2019 13: 28
      +9
      When it will be, but for now we are waiting for the S-500.
    3. kventinasd
      kventinasd 10 January 2019 14: 44
      +13
      Let merikashki and all kinds of things from Europe, at least they would concoct an analogue of the S-300, but we still have time with the Prometheus.
    4. Grigory_78
      Grigory_78 10 January 2019 15: 51
      +9
      There were few clowns for the New Year, so they even climbed into VO to remind themselves.
      1. Dart
        Dart 11 January 2019 13: 19
        +1
        The ruin set the task of overflowing resources. More than half of the clowns are from the Russian spring, when it became not very relevant there.
    5. Normal
      Normal 10 January 2019 16: 26
      0
      Apparently, when you start to defecate with gold bars
    6. Kawado
      Kawado 10 January 2019 17: 00
      +1
      S-700 is the S-500 ...
      It is already S-600 in terms of characteristics, while it is finished development and approved for production, most likely it will be so ...
      True, in a report by Zhirinovsky she covered the whole globe, with this, of course, a little more complicated ...
  2. EXPrompt
    EXPrompt 10 January 2019 13: 37
    +27
    Who does not know, in the list of equipment at the last recent Military Industrial Commission it was stated that the first pre-installation batch of S-500 was put into production.
    With what are all of you Russians and finally people of good will and congratulations.
    1. Konst
      Konst 10 January 2019 18: 51
      -1
      Chassis ready for a long time, waiting ...
  3. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 10 January 2019 13: 39
    +1
    Well, let's say, why not take care of sales?
    1. Grigory_78
      Grigory_78 10 January 2019 15: 54
      0
      Well, yes, the main goal of producing any weapon is selling it, right? That is why the United States is so actively selling Tomahawks, F-22s and so on.
      1. StudentVK
        StudentVK 10 January 2019 16: 07
        +1
        Did Americans sell tomahawks to someone? I ask those who know.
        1. turbris
          turbris 10 January 2019 16: 13
          +2
          Only the British, as far as I know.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 10 January 2019 19: 42
          +1
          Quote: StudentVK
          Did Americans sell tomahawks to someone?

          The main operators are the United States and the United Kingdom.

          They say that Spain and the Netherlands wanted to buy and refused, but it is not clear at what specific place the refusal took place.
      2. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz 10 January 2019 17: 23
        +2
        The main goal of the production of weapons is to ensure their own security. But at the same time, why not sell it profitably, if possible. F22 no one will buy on the basis of value, I don’t know Tomogavki, and they’re not only trading in the Patriot
        1. StudentVK
          StudentVK 10 January 2019 20: 12
          +2
          F22 by the way, I wonder why they do not at least produce themselves? Just because of the cost?
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz 10 January 2019 21: 11
            +1
            It seems so. If I remember correctly.
  4. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 10 January 2019 13: 40
    +8
    Excessive advertising of the S-500 anti-aircraft missile system, which surpasses the Triumph S-400 in its characteristics, can interfere with the promotion of the latter on the international market, writes National Interest magazine.

    This is how marketers of mattresses are struggling with effective sales of the S-400 complex, an original counter-advertising method.
    Nothing personal just business.
  5. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 10 January 2019 13: 46
    +5
    Well, there must be something sacred, hidden from others within the framework of state secrets.
  6. BAI
    BAI 10 January 2019 13: 47
    +6
    avaricious coverage of the process of creating the S-500 is most likely associated not with technological difficulties, but with considerations of an economic nature.

    And why bother to cover this process? Security considerations don't come to mind?
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 10 January 2019 14: 11
      +1
      Themselves wrote - there is a system of recognition "friend or foe", the information on which at all times and for everyone was terribly closed, but inserted a hat about "torn to shreds" ... and what is left for them? Looks like the James Bond was transferred to the Anglo-Saxon land)))
  7. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 10 January 2019 13: 50
    +3
    I do not see any problems with the economics of marketing. the S-500 can be banned for sale for an indefinite time, as a secret weapon of a new generation and let the bourgeois break their heads and tear their hair (s) at their fifth point
  8. cormorant
    cormorant 10 January 2019 13: 57
    +2
    That is, Moscow fears that the release of the S-500 could undermine the huge export success of the S-400 system]
    But who will sell you the S-500. As always, they know better what they really think in Moscow.
  9. Hypersound
    Hypersound 10 January 2019 14: 09
    0
    Logical conclusion
  10. Hypersound
    Hypersound 10 January 2019 14: 10
    +2
    According to the author of the material, range of defeat missiles of the S-500 complex is 600 km

    Rather, detection, and even then in ideal conditions (the plane is without stealth and flies at high altitude). But the defeat - up to 500 km with the longest-range missile (and even then, while she showed "only" 480). Which, however, is still an amazing indicator
  11. Hypersound
    Hypersound 10 January 2019 14: 12
    0
    In addition, the latest system has the ability to simultaneously track and destroy up to ten targets moving at speeds up to 6,5 km per second.


    The heads of strategists reach speeds of ~ 7-7.5 km / s. But when they enter the dense layers of the atmosphere, they slow down somewhat, right? If so, will the S-500 be able to shoot down even strategic warheads? True, if it can, it will only take 15-20 seconds
  12. Hypersound
    Hypersound 10 January 2019 14: 14
    0
    Its locators are also able to detect subtle airborne objects.

    Once upon a time, the S-400 can, and even older systems. Another thing is that with the S-500, apparently, the radar will be even more powerful, and it will be able to detect stealth from an even greater distance
  13. Hypersound
    Hypersound 10 January 2019 14: 15
    0
    According to data from open sources, Prometheus will receive an ultra-long-range 40N6 guided missile with a damage height of 200-250 km.

    He will immediately receive 4 (or even more) types of missiles. From near, light and cheap to the farthest at 480-500km
    1. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 10 January 2019 15: 24
      -2
      I am somewhat far from aviation, but ... No offense. I'm just curious. What kind of air target can be located at a depth of 400-600 km, which is so important that, in fact, a special and not cheap missile is needed to destroy it? Air command post? Aircraft AWACS? But after all, both the one and the other not only do not stand still, and according to all canons, at the first danger, they must leave the dangerous area and have proper escort, so a single missile cannot be a problem. I can assume that the main target is "Boeing P-8 Poseidon" in the areas of reconnaissance if they coincide with the lines of attack of our strategic missile submarines. But that's just my opinion. Can anyone have other ideas? Please enlighten.
      1. Hypersound
        Hypersound 10 January 2019 15: 54
        0
        Quote: Alex2048
        Air command post? Aircraft AWACS?

        Yes. AWACS for sure. In addition, the increased detection range of conventional targets = and the increased detection range of subtle / small targets. If the S-400 can now detect the F-35 flying at an altitude of 10 km, ~ for 260 km, then the S-500 can, say, for 350+. So the improvement is useful anyway

        Quote: Alex2048
        But both the one and the other not only do not stand still, according to all the canons at the first danger they must leave the dangerous area and the escort is proper, so a single missile can not be a problem.

        And how will the "escort" shoot down a hypersonic and even maneuvering S-500 missile flying at a speed of 4800 m / s (17k km / h)? That's right, no way. The only chance is to stick around the border of the S-500, and as soon as the missile is fired at them, try to quickly escape so that the missile runs out of fuel. But firstly, reconnaissance airplanes are slow-moving, and secondly, air defense personnel also do not, and they will not launch a missile at the maximum range (1 km), but will let on to one from which the reconnaissance officer will not have time to escape, say, from 500, and then will already launch a rocket

        Quote: Alex2048
        I can assume that the main target is "Boeing P-8 Poseidon" in the areas of reconnaissance if they coincide with the lines of attack of our strategic missile submarines. But that's just my opinion. Can anyone have other ideas?


        The S-500 puts a greater emphasis on missile defense. this system is primarily against the INF. But of course, nothing prevents to shoot down and air targets. The most universal, amazing complex
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 10 January 2019 15: 55
        +2
        Yes, everything is written correctly - the creation of restricted areas. The very fact of the existence of such a system automatically pushes the limits of patrolling the AWACS of the same Poseidon and others like him into the area where he can only peek through the keyhole for something. And this is already a lot!
        Well, missile defense and PKO! And for any small things like B2, etc. ... there are a lot of things and simpler.
      3. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 10 January 2019 16: 00
        +2
        It is the most. And there are still such interesting aircraft like B-52, B-2, B-1B ... Do you think it’s worth shooting down them for 500 km, or can you let them closer?
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 11 January 2019 15: 12
          +1
          A radio horizon for a target flying at an altitude of 7 km - 350 km from the radar antenna. So for 500 km you can’t fire at the B-52 even at 10 km altitude.
          And at 350, the C400 will get him. But moving AWACS with a flight 10 km further than 500 km from the air defense system is a matter, it is also limited by the radio horizon. And hi itself flies over the ocean, "a peaceful capitalist tractor", and does not bother anyone. And if he comes closer - "get a fascist grenade"!
  14. Hypersound
    Hypersound 10 January 2019 14: 16
    +1
    Earlier it was reported that the delivery of the first C-500 complexes to the troops is planned for 2020 year.

    Hurray, in a year we will get this wunderwaffe in the troops. I hope they will not postpone it again. More than the S-500 I'm waiting for the incredible Husky nuclear submarine and the amazing Zircon anti-ship missile
  15. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 10 January 2019 14: 20
    +4
    The S-500 also will most likely hit the low-orbit satellites of the enemy. All air defense systems will be interconnected into a single layered missile defense / air defense system.
    1. dirk182
      dirk182 10 January 2019 14: 41
      +1
      still "Morpheus" rolled out and I would sleep well
      1. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 10 January 2019 14: 43
        +3
        They will roll out, perhaps also something that we do not know about yet ... our defense industry loves to surprise
        1. Harry.km
          Harry.km 11 January 2019 08: 05
          +1
          Quote: Alexey-74
          .Our defense industry likes to surprise

          And in my opinion we have already learned firsthand about all the most important and new things.
  16. watchmaker
    watchmaker 10 January 2019 15: 03
    +1
    What, C 400 is already outdated for the West? With 500 serve !? So F-35s do not fly even at C-300.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 10 January 2019 15: 56
      +3
      AWAXES fly a bit close :-)
  17. evgen1221
    evgen1221 10 January 2019 15: 34
    0
    The desire to learn more precisely and in more detail about the latest developments has not been canceled when it comes from foreign comrades.
  18. taiga2018
    taiga2018 10 January 2019 16: 16
    0
    The explanation is quite plausible - you need to sell the S-400 to the maximum, and buyers will not go anywhere from the S-500 ...
  19. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 10 January 2019 16: 31
    +2
    Quote: taiga2018
    The explanation is quite plausible - you need to sell the S-400 to the maximum, and buyers will not go anywhere from the S-500 ...

    Before you sell, you need to dress up yourself, and not be a shoemaker without boots. And the fact that the S-500 allows you to push the launch zone of all kinds of air-based missiles, for example, by another 200 km, this will be a plus not only for it, but it increases the likelihood of interception by other systems, both medium and short-range, to 1, which affects on the weakening of massive attacks by the enemy. We must not forget that Russia is systematically building a deeply echeloned missile defense and ATP. soldier
  20. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 10 January 2019 16: 38
    +2
    What mattresses are so distracted? We have such a nature - We either harnessed for a long time, then we are silent for a long time meaningfully, but then we perplex with Caliber and Dagger, then we introduce Poseidon and Peresvet into a stupor. The time will come tell and show ..... Yeah. yes Ask for, show in practice)))
  21. Old26
    Old26 10 January 2019 19: 36
    +1
    Quote: Konst
    That is why the United States is so actively selling Tomahawks, F-22s and so on.

    Tomahawks sold only to the UK. F-22 did not sell to anyone. But the F-35 - 11 or 12 countries

    Quote: Hypersound
    If now the S-400 can detect the F-35 flying at an altitude of 10km, ~ beyond 260km,

    Where does this data come from? You can find out where and when the F-35 aircraft were located at a distance of 400 km from the S-260 complex ???

    Quote: Hypersound
    And how will the "escort" shoot down a hypersonic, and even maneuvering, S-500 missile flying at a speed of 4800 m / s (17k km / h)?

    And since when did anti-aircraft missiles become maneuvering? Something new in the theory of air defense

    Quote: Hypersound
    The only chance is to hang around the border of the S-500, and as soon as a rocket is launched at them, try to quickly flush away so that the rocket does not have enough fuel. But firstly, reconnaissance aircraft are slow-moving, and secondly, air defense crews are not either, and they will not launch a missile at the maximum range (1 km), but they will let them go on the one with which the reconnaissance officer will not have time to flush, say, from 500, and then already rocket

    And what, under the "radio horizon" the goal cannot go away? Does religion forbid her?

    Quote: Vlad.by
    AWAXES fly a bit close :-)

    The coverage area of ​​the AWACS EMNIP radar is about 600-650 km. He may be outside the affected area of ​​this system. True, the viewing depth will not be very "deep".
    1. Harry.km
      Harry.km 11 January 2019 08: 21
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Does religion forbid her?

      Do not bother the boy to rejoice, such a sincere puppy delight from the set of numbers, in which the comrade simply does not understand either age or education))) Commentary, just to match the article: "The radar of this system, which is a development of the 96L6E radar, is equipped active phased antenna array and is able to detect air targets in the entire frequency range, recognizing their belonging according to the principle of "friend or foe". (c) Like this, no more and no less. "in the entire frequency range" is capable of identifying belonging. I think that here on the site 90% of commentators believe that the 48n6 rocket flies to the target in a straight line ... Hence the hypersound with maneuvering))))