Who applaud from the other world Vlasov, Goebbels and Mussolini?

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Indeed, and who else can be welcomed from the other world, from the cauldron of resin Judas-General Vlasov? Only their own. Only those who are able to sell and betray, no matter what.

I must say at once that today we will again speak about the stronghold of Italian fascism, an ulcer on the body of the Voronezh region - the city of Rossosh.



But today I will call names and surnames. In order to prove that the power of this town has long been sold to the descendants of the fascists from the Alpine Corps for a long time and does not even pretend that it is disgusting to them.

And it began, unfortunately, not yesterday. It began a long time ago, in the distant 90s, when the “iron curtain” collapsed and democracy rushed in to us.

Italians rushed to Rossosh. Not for nothing, because, as the book of the Rossoshan “ethnographer” and Italofil Alim Morozov testifies, it was under Rossosh that they were pinned most of all. This is completely untrue, the Italians dragged the 1943 of the year from Rossosh to Kharkov in such a way that it was not always possible to catch up.

But who caught up - sorry. One division completely smashed "Katyusha", for example. Death as a whole is terrible, but nothing can be done about it. Logical

As we understood from the reading of many documents, the Italians taken separately (who are not very interested in us, they have their own truth, we have their own) decided to arrange something like places of pilgrimage. In the footsteps, so to speak, of heroic ancestors.


Looks right Uncle and nephew, who today runs the all that concerns Rossosh from there.

Here is the document, the leaflet that the Italians recently distributed. Everything is perfectly said there. To follow the path of the sufferings of their fathers and grandfathers (although no one called upon them to suffer to Voronezh land), who did not carry aggression on Russian soil (more than two thousand thousands of civilians of Rossosh who were shot, we dreamed) to pay tribute to them.



Well, some lepotas, pay homage to the executioners ... Normally, Vlasov giggles from the cauldron and rubs his little hands.

Naturally, lira, gifts, trips to Italy, dinners - what else is needed for individual organisms to get an idea?

It was then that the Italians realized that Russians could be bought. Inexpensive. Yes, not all, but who can, he will sell with pleasure.

Pioneer of this case, I would call Irina Kravets. Very famously she danced at the joint Italian-Russian “friendship evenings”, well advocated for friendship and peace among nations. Then she successfully married (for the Italian, of course) and dumped. But she didn’t lose her connections, moreover, in Italy she began to actively sprinkle rhymes. And in Rossosh they began to publish.





"All Soldiers - Honors and Glory
Doing duty or order ... "


Luxuriously. I will translate from treacherous to Russian. Everyone is the Italian fascists, the Romanian and Hungarian firing squads, the glorious SS fighters - everything! They executed the order!

"... you bow and respect from us!"

Well, of course, in 90, people like Kravets began to bow and lick the boots of those who killed, raped, burned and robbed. It was normal, I myself remember a decade of meanness and vileness.

So in our list, Tatyana Kravets occupies the honorable place of Vlasov's comrades.

And for Mrs. Kravets, I would put those who printed her verses. Municipal (!) Unitary enterprise of Rossosh Publishing House. Acolytes traitors.

Go ahead. If Mrs. Kravets simply bowed and kissed the ashes of the Italian executioners, practicing their preferences abroad, our second hero still lives in Rossosh. And is (which, in general, it is not surprising) an honorary citizen of this city.

I have already mentioned it. Alim Morozov, such as local historian, teacher, generator of this strange friendship.



Strange, because friends are not quite familiar. The members of the Association of Alpine Shooters and some of the residents of Rossosh are on friendly terms.

But the main thing here is Mr. Morozov.



He even squeezed a little book about his love for Italy and the Italian soldiers. She was published in the Quart, this time the accomplices of traitors were found in Voronezh. It is clear that nothing personal, only business.

I kept the little book in my hands. It is sold in Rossosh at every corner, but it diverges so-so. And the price in 515 (!) Rubles for licking fascists will be too large, in my opinion.



But I looked through the book.







Vlasov and Goebbels from the other world applaud while standing! Three hundred pages of the story about what nyashki were Italians! How they loved the Russians (especially the boy Alim), which were kind and sincere. And with what pleasure the boy Alim wore them his patties, which his grandmother used to burn, straining.

And mom, they say, attached ... But in the book about this is not particularly told.

But with a grievance narrated about how rude liberators were. As a "litter" calling names and threatened.

But, probably, the local did not become silent about the labor exploits of the Morozov family, here the Soviet fighters and that ... Angry.

By the way, for some reason no one was shot and not sent to the gulag. Such a strange power this Soviet. The bad Soviet Morozovs did not touch, but the good Italians left such a bloody trace behind them that the investigation went for almost a year. But I already talked about this.

But the boy Alim makaroshki Italian appreciated and imbued with ardent love. And then he began, without hesitating at all, to work for the good of the former executioners and murderers. To look for their graves, organize excursions and so on.

Drummer capitalist ideology. With Soviet medals on his chest. Although the Italians ordered the order too.

Italians, of course, paid. And they paid well, because only after the patriotic media of the country raised a howl around the strange museum in Rossosh, did the Morozov's gentlemen leave their posts at the museum.

And it was still necessary to figure out whose museum is this: Rossoshansky local lore or Alpine Italian corps.





In general, about the activities of Morozov in favor of the descendants of the Italian fascists, you can talk for a very long time.

The main achievement of Morozov is the construction of the so-called kindergarten "Smile". The so-called because, as we already said, “Smile” is “Smile” only from above. Below this is a hotel for Italian "friends" and a museum of Italian fascists.

From a smile to a smirk - one step. Under the banner of the alpine corps.



And another “hero” of our story made him, the former head of the Rossosh administration, V. M. Grinev, who generously wrote off the lower part of the building, built as a kindergarten, to Italian “friends”.



It is difficult to say, according to the dictates of the soul, Grinev did it or whatever, but, apparently, everyone there in Rossosh "or how" has a place to be.

As a result, the nest of the ANA, the Association of Alpine Shooters, appeared in Rossosh, and not just in a historical place. There, where was the headquarters of the Italian corps, where the boy Morozov was begging and conspiring with the fascist patties.

Historical place with a historical keeper.

And by the way, everything would be nothing. Rossosh from the metropolis far. One could continue to please the Italian "friends", ride to visit them and get all the other pleasures. Take an excursion to the museum of military glory of the alpine corps, but ...

Pierced on the monument to the unknown fascist. It's a shame so pierced. Nevertheless, the accomplices of the fascists decided to fight with those who so vehemently did not want to recognize the monument to the Alpine riflemen as a friendship memorial.

It is clear that the Russian-Italian friendship can be expressed in any way except by putting on a cap with a rooster feather for everyone to see. In Italy, there may be a bunch of other symbols besides the headdress of the occupying executioners.

But is it possible to prove it to those who are hard on the "lure"?

By the way, it is worth mentioning the position of the prosecutor's office.





The fact of the premise (which was so denied by Mr Morozov) inside the bone memorial was installed, but that was all. Yes, the declared articles here are clearly irrelevant, but the fact that the memorial has become an illegal burial is taking place. But that didn't bother anyone. Unfortunately.

Let's see, by the way, that they will answer me. From the General Prosecutor’s Office, the application arrived safely at the Voronezh Regional Prosecutor’s Office, and from there to Rossosh.



We wait…

In general, we, together with the Rossoshansky patriots, are very much counting on the prosecutor’s office, more precisely, the normal legal assessment of the entire Alpine Sabbath. It will be a shame if you have to be disappointed. The only question is who has more.

By the way, a funny detail jumps out of the answer of the prosecutor's office. There, for some reason, Mr. Morozov was named “Professor”. But Morozov is not.



Alim Morozov is a teacher. Just a history teacher. "Professor," if in Italian. But why he suddenly began to be called a “professor” in a document from the prosecutor’s office and in the television commercial’s video - a question. If Morozov so introduced himself to the prosecutors - this is called an "impostor." If the prosecutor’s office speaks with an Italian accent, it’s sad.

But with the authorities of Rossosh and the district, there is no doubt, you can not even try to discuss the problem. Judging by what prefaces were written by the head of Rossosh and the head of the Rossosh district, everything is in order there.

Moreover, it is on behalf of the administration that the local journalists Olga Razumova and Alexander Khovanskov speak, who, with all their silenok, are trying to blacken the main fighter against the monument to the fascists, Rossoshansk businessman Nikolay Savchenko.

I will say right away, it is not very good, because if the gentlemen who wrote, if they could at least digest something savage for Savchenko, then it would have been all the way around. And so - a kindergarten, nothing more.





But the command "face!" Is given - it is necessary to work out.

It is a pity that neither Razumov, nor Khovansky do not understand (or do not want to understand, or are well paid) that in defending the monument to the fascists, they became (yes, judging by their performances) those who applauded both Vlasov and Mussolini and Goebbels.

Here's how it happens ... A little money, one fascist fanatic who dragged pies in his childhood, a bunch of well-bought officials, a couple of journalists and revanchists from Italy, descendants of those who were outraged here.

And all, as a little something is necessary, so that the nursery of supporters of fascism should be ready!

The affairs of the land of Rossoshan are wonderful, oh, wonderful ... And sad.

We will return to this topic more than once. And ahead we have another investigation into the actions of the alpine corps, only in the Belgorod region.

Why, you ask, dear readers. I will answer.

Because the board is Mannerheim. Because the monument is to the white-covers. Because the monuments to Shkuro, Krasnov and others. Because the "Holiday" Krasovsky. Because "Bastards", "Citadel", "Tanks".

Because our degradation goes too far. Because I do not want to see on my land monuments of Italian, German, Romanian, Hungarian dogs, driven into my land by my grandfathers.

And at such rates Alima Morozov and Krasovskiy will set us up monuments. And nasimyat "correct" films.

No, dear Russians, we will go the other way. At least those who want to live in normal Russia. I want to.
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  1. +19
    10 January 2019 15: 09
    Well, of course, in 90, people like Kravets started bowing and licking boots for those who killed, raped, burned and robbed. It was ok
    This can never be normal, neither in 90, nor in any others.
    1. +10
      10 January 2019 15: 33
      Fascism and Nazism are always disgusting!
      1. 0
        17 January 2019 15: 00
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Fascism and Nazism are always disgusting!

        No, I do not agree, fascism is all the more motivated by nationalism and a racial policy — very attractive and charming — for the uneducated and herd marginal, being essentially a carrot and stick policy, fascism gives clear answers — who is to blame, who to kill. A very, very insidious phenomenon of fascism.
    2. +19
      10 January 2019 15: 57
      Quote: Less
      Well, of course, in 90, people like Kravets started bowing and licking boots for those who killed, raped, burned and robbed. It was ok
      This can never be normal, neither in 90, nor in any others.

      Kravets, Grinev and Morozov are, in fact, the personification of such corrupt and unprincipled "figures" as Gorbachev and Yeltsin. And while the all-forgiving policy towards its enemies, the state will not change, and they will not look at history like a pole, nothing will change.
  2. +17
    10 January 2019 15: 30
    The prosecutor's office, the Investigative Committee and the soldiers of the invisible front, it may be time to deal with the problem of fascism in words.
    1. +20
      10 January 2019 16: 09
      The author forgot that we had a coup with shooting from tanks, there were local wars and an ALL-RUSSIAN war of crime for the division of OUR property.
      Today in power are followers of the ideology of the Vlasovites, they will always be against the SOVIET PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE OF WINNERS. I hope not to live up to the rehabilitation of the Nazis in any * legal court *.
      And these arrows that were marked by executions and robberies in Italy are already recognized by the papal throne as almost saints that they brought the light of civilization. Recognized officially and with great fanfare.
      1. -3
        10 January 2019 20: 44
        "Your property" was divided even before the shooting of the White House and without you! And of course history must be treated with awe! And to Soviet history and to imperial and history in general! We must remember our kinship. And feats and defeats. Then the monuments to the fascists will not appear! Then maybe our cities will be given back their historical names, as our ancestors called them and the streets. There is no need to spit in history. You know how it is ... against the wind. Everything is back! You have to be honest. Not half-hearted. Vlasov from the other world cannot applaud. Vlasov in hell has no time for clapping his hands. To call our government Vlasov is the same abomination as these monuments.
      2. WW2
        -2
        11 January 2019 21: 42
        Quote: Vasily50
        ALL-RUSSIAN CRIMINAL WAR FOR DIVISION OF OUR PROPERTY

        Your property?
        Someone entered your living space and stole a crystal vase from a closet and removed a carpet from a wall?
        No?
        And what property are we talking about?
        As a rule, the Soviet man had nothing more.
        Quote: Vasily50
        followers of the ideology of Vlasovites, they will always be against the SOVIET PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE OF WINNERS.

        Well, yes, I must admit that the Bolsheviks and those who supported them at one time were able to defeat the Russians in Russia. At the same time, the Russians who were expelled and who were shot. And Russia itself was eliminated.
        But how much rope does not curl ..... The time of the scoops has passed. And their Looking Glasses, the USSR, are no longer there.
  3. +24
    10 January 2019 15: 31

    While you are fighting for Rossosh, a similar event is quietly going on in Dagestan ...
    On the outskirts of Makhachkala, at the foot of Tarki-tau mountain, a monument to the military from the Turkish occupation corps, who fought in the fall of 1918 in Dagestan against the White Guard government under the leadership of the former tsarist officer Lazar Bicherakhov, was unveiled. The opening of the monument was attended by representatives of Kumyk public organizations.
    The idea of ​​the monument belongs to the Kumyk historian Kamil Aliyev, the editor-in-chief of the Kumyk magazine "Eldash" (Friend). Aliyev’s idea was born on the eve of the 100th anniversary of the tragic events of the Civil War in Dagestan, when Turkish troops detached by the Minister of Ottoman Empire Enver Pasha entered Port Petrovsk (present-day Makhachkala) and, under the pretext of establishing legal authority in Dagestan, carried out robberies and massacres. The monument to the Turkish invaders consists of two black plates mounted on the front side of a three-meter block of Tarka sandstone.
    Written by Oleg the Prophet (arctus)

    360 degrees"
    "Russia will never be ...": why in Dagestan erected a monument to Turkish interventionists?
    17 December 2018, 18: 54
    Yegor Kholmogorov
    So to summarize. In Dagestan, on December 15, 2018, quite officially, with a large gathering of people and pathetic speeches about the “heroic role and significance of shahids in the history of Muslim peoples,” a monument was erected to the Turkish invaders who fought with supporters of Russian unity (called “occupiers” in the text on the monument) ), in order to tear Dagestan from Russia and join it to neighboring Azerbaijan. All this with the connivance of local authorities and sympathetic responses in the local press.
    What such monuments mean - I leave it to the reader and the competent authorities to judge. A particular dissonance in the conclusions is unlikely to follow.
    1. +10
      10 January 2019 16: 11
      This monument is much more dangerous than the Italians. If the Italians are simply insulting, then the monument to Turkish martyrs in Dagestan is a powder keg
      1. +3
        10 January 2019 16: 14
        www.kavkazr.com
        "The Kumyks of Dagestan were outraged by the replacement of the inscription on the monument to Turkish soldiers"
        Such an article and 2 comments on it -
        Ali
        06,01,2019 14:40
        The last sentence, obviously, is what the author still decided to cram into the news from his own attitude? Who "christened" on the internet? The same invaders who today are trying to replace history, as well as all their slaves and serfs. Work, satraps!
        Without a signature
        06,01,2019 22:55
        The thief is always the first to shout, hold the thief. The interventionists and occupiers are still in the Caucasus.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  4. +16
    10 January 2019 15: 34
    Let’s go out, "liberosnya", and everyone who is with them, prove that we have no right to defend the memory of our fathers and grandfathers, just because you were able to trick us into buying the Russian Land. The novel is not enough, I am ready to help you with something!
    1. -2
      10 January 2019 16: 28
      But is it that what you have recently defended yourself? And not only bought Russian arable land - but also restored them after a downtime, for 15 years.
    2. +3
      11 January 2019 11: 49
      Quote: Hammer 75
      Let’s go out, "liberosnya", and everyone who is with them, prove that we have no right to defend the memory of our fathers and grandfathers, just because you were able to trick us into buying the Russian Land. The novel is not enough, I am ready to help you with something!

      Here is the most correct comment, no offense. Enough angry relativity. It's time to crush this scum together, together! How can I help Roma?
      1. 0
        12 January 2019 22: 55
        Thank you, correct, real article, Roman. Bitter truth.
        I didn’t open it at once, I thought about nonsense, fascist minions, but here it is.
  5. +1
    10 January 2019 15: 43
    rebellion of fascism using a new method? friendship, haha ​​hehehe and again all veteran enemies ...
  6. BAI
    +1
    10 January 2019 15: 44
    1.
    A young native of Naples!
    What left you in Russia on the field?
    Why couldn't you be happy
    Over native famous bay?
    I who killed you under Mozdok,
    So dreamed of a distant volcano!
    How I dreamed about the Volga
    Take a ride in the gondola just once!

    The Italians were not only in Rossosh. Is it just there or in other places too?

    2. Italian troops were not recognized as war criminals by the Nuremberg Tribunal and any other court. Therefore, there can be no complaints on this side. No one bothers a monument to the French on the Borodino field.


    3. At the expense of bones - it seems to me here it is necessary to attract abuse over the bodies of the dead - 244 Art. Criminal Code ..
    1. 0
      10 January 2019 16: 23
      Quote: BAI
      No one bothers a monument to the French on the Borodino field.

      So there was a completely different alignment:
      In 1912, Russia celebrated the centenary of the Patriotic War of 1812. The culmination of the festivities was events on the Borodino field, dedicated to the anniversary of the Battle of Borodino, held on August 26 (September 7), 1812. They were attended by Emperor Nicholas II and his family, the Grand Dukes, the highest state and military officials, hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church. Descendants were also invited in a direct male line of battle heroes, participants and eyewitnesses of the war, numerous deputies from the provinces and territories of the Russian Empire, representatives of various classes of Russian society1. As for foreign delegations, only the French received an official invitation, eagerly responding to it and putting forward their proposal - to erect a monument to the soldiers of Napoleon’s “Great” Army who died in battle in Borodino Field.

      The initiators of the installation of the monument were two public French organizations: “Le Souvenir Francais” 3 and “La Sabretache” 4. After the approval of this idea by the Russian side, social activists began raising funds for the construction of the monument.
  7. +7
    10 January 2019 15: 44
    few articles and inquiries to the prosecutor. it is necessary that people remove this action. so that every week in the center of the city a crowd of people all that indignantly expressed. the prosecutor’s office is good, but society must fully respond to this. then there will be a sense and reaction.
    1. +7
      10 January 2019 17: 21
      wink Let's start with Dagestan?

      Or is it "completely different".
      1. +1
        10 January 2019 18: 04
        I’m saying how people perceive it. for me so complete nonsense that there that there. over time, you can forgive a lot but not all.
  8. +9
    10 January 2019 15: 49
    But Mishka Gorbachev carried vegetables to the Germans, either to Italians or to Romanians, but it was.
  9. +17
    10 January 2019 15: 57
    Dear Roman, I think that what you set out in the article deserves the attention of the Investigative Committee of Russia. For such figures as Morozov, not a prison is crying, but a gallows. The history of Russia cannot be blackened.
    1. WW2
      -4
      11 January 2019 21: 53
      Quote: midshipman
      The history of Russia cannot be blackened.

      So then Russia was not. It was eliminated by the Bolsheviks. It was the USSR.
  10. +5
    10 January 2019 16: 08
    Every vacation I visit Rossosh, but to be honest, I only learned about this problem at VO. Probably this summer will need to visit this professor, and find out his point of view.
  11. +16
    10 January 2019 16: 11
    And we now have "fashion" to erect monuments to enemies and traitors am
    There, our guarantor, at the monument to Solzhenitsyn noted, what do you want from Rossosh?
  12. +7
    10 January 2019 16: 12
    Why comment, no words ... censored am
  13. +6
    10 January 2019 16: 16
    As consonant, almost Pavlik Morozov. It is necessary to bring such to justice through the courts.
  14. +7
    10 January 2019 16: 27
    The author raised a very necessary topic. The Nazis and their slabs of impunity completely lost fear. It would be nice if on this matter, at least one of the fascist lovers sat down. The rest would have become very quiet, since all this trash is cowardly, and is very worried about its mortal skin.
  15. -2
    10 January 2019 16: 31
    I must say at once that today we will again speak about the stronghold of Italian fascism, an ulcer on the body of the Voronezh region - the city of Rossosh.

    Roman, well, that’s also impossible, you are a hot person, however ....
    1. -4
      10 January 2019 19: 41
      Quote: Dym71
      I must say at once that today we will again speak about the stronghold of Italian fascism, an ulcer on the body of the Voronezh region - the city of Rossosh.

      Roman, well, that’s also impossible, you are a hot person, however ....

      laughing lol Roman would be in the State Duma deputies ..ha ha ha
      I would fight Zhirinovsky ..etc. bully It is funny and sad at the same time ..
      Well let’s write, it’s interesting just how it will end!
  16. +8
    10 January 2019 16: 31
    Some kind of amazing tactlessness on the part of the Italians, everyone plays the soldiers, does not fit in their heads in any way than the War was for us.
    But the worst part is that people here forget about it. And I remember that my grandfather, having gone through the whole war, could not watch films about the war. I remember the story of my grandmother, how, after the liberation of their village, the scout told her that in the neighboring village, on the commandant’s office, they had found death lists containing the names of both her and her little daughter.
    For me, the only possible monument is that for the Wehrmacht soldiers, and for their allies, is a memorial cross. If this is important for relatives, then come and pray for the forgiveness of the sins of the ancestors. Such a memory does not offend.
  17. +4
    10 January 2019 16: 43
    Who applaud from the other world Vlasov, Goebbels and Mussolini?
    I'm afraid the list will be impressive ...! And curious! sad
    PS I haven’t started reading the article yet, but the answer to the headline arose immediately ... winked
  18. +6
    10 January 2019 16: 55
    After they captured the memory of various historical personalities who "wanted but could not" such political impotent Kolchak, Wrangel, Denikin, Krasnov, Shkuro, Yegor Gaidar. Everything is logical. It remains to erect a monument to a Wehrmacht soldier in Babi Yar, near Moscow and on the Mamaev mound in Volgograd, Buchenwald (standing on a tower). And that, honorably fulfilled the order and duty. Remained true to their oath of allegiance to their legally elected leader.
  19. +2
    10 January 2019 16: 56
    ,, about the monument from 17 minutes ..
  20. +2
    10 January 2019 17: 08
    I would call the pioneer of this business Irina Kravets. She danced very famously at the joint Italian-Russian "evening of friendship", she spoke well for friendship and peace between nations. Then she successfully married (for an Italian, of course) and dumped. But she didn’t lose her ties, moreover, in Italy she began to actively cut poems. And in Rossosh they began to publish.

    Novel! Correct the name Kravets - in the article Irina, and on the scan of verses Tatyana
    In our case, what is IMPORTANT - Katya’s wife - can’t be called Masha ...
  21. +9
    10 January 2019 17: 18
    Nature does not tolerate emptiness. In a country without ideology, a hostile ideology will find a place.
  22. +3
    10 January 2019 17: 20
    and I wonder, Mr. Olshansky, the local "our everything", did not participate in this monument, financially or morally ???
  23. +5
    10 January 2019 17: 36
    Quote: ODERVIT
    The prosecutor's office, the Investigative Committee and the soldiers of the invisible front, it may be time to deal with the problem of fascism in words.

    Your proposal is not at the right place - without a team because of the Kremlin wall they will not hit finger on finger! sad
  24. -4
    10 January 2019 17: 39
    Only I read the title of the article (clearly provocative) and immediately realized who the author is a genius .. Guessed the men! bully
    I won’t even comment .. funny and sad .. negative
  25. +3
    10 January 2019 17: 49
    And there is nothing, unfortunately, to be surprised. The propaganda and ideology of the enemies of the communists who seized the USSR is an excuse for the crimes of the external and internal enemies of Russia and the Russian people, the USSR and the Soviet people, including the justification of the invaders of Russia and the Soviet Union of the invaders and Nazis, not just an excuse, but also the praise of collaborators, accomplices of the occupants in the Civil and WWII.
  26. +6
    10 January 2019 17: 54
    Roman, thanks for the article - clearly, thoughtfully, meaningfully. This should never be forgotten ...
  27. +4
    10 January 2019 18: 11
    The novel is so big, but you believe in fairy tales (the prosecutor’s office!) It’s not a matter of repost, people are PAYING! all power.
    1. -4
      10 January 2019 18: 58
      Quote: polar fox
      here people PAY! and for grandmas, you can bend down ..

      Yes ... wassat
  28. +5
    10 January 2019 18: 16
    The ideology of the Bubble outweighed the patriotism of many Russians ...
    1. -7
      10 January 2019 19: 00
      Quote: anjey
      The ideology of the Bubble outweighed the patriotism of many Russians ...

      Well, who reads and supports such articles, then YES! soldier
  29. +4
    10 January 2019 19: 00
    Many of the graves of their HEROES of that war are oblivious, and for THESE neither time nor money is sorry! These Italians by force dragged to us ???
    1. -3
      10 January 2019 19: 49
      Quote: Michael55
      Many of the graves of their HEROES of that war are oblivious, and for THESE neither time nor money is sorry! These Italians by force dragged to us ???

      This is not the point of the article .. hi
      It’s time to understand ..
  30. 0
    10 January 2019 20: 05
    It would not be bad at all to create on the basis of the Russian Academy of Sciences, for example, a public expert council on the history of Russia and memorial sites related to it. This council could be instructed to develop recommendations on the forms and methods of work with the graves of foreign soldiers, on the installation of monuments and memorials to historical figures that cause public resonance. Today, there is no consensus among people how to bury a soldier of a conqueror, found by mushroom pickers somewhere near Podolsk (for example), so they invent, who in what way, based on personal perception of the consequences of old events. Such a document could streamline these excesses and protect normal, conscientious citizens from accusations of covert collaboration. Agree, it is not appropriate for human bones to be scattered in garbage dumps, even if these are the remains of the aggressor's soldiers. Unnormalized spaces are always a fertile field for speculation and various fraudulent activities. I mean Rossosh, the Mannerheim plaque, and the Kolchak monument. Even in assigning names to streets one must be extremely scrupulous so as not to offend someone else's memory. I'm not even talking about "bowing and respecting" the enemy.
    Ps In connection with this article, raising a problematic issue, I would like to know the author’s opinion on the Katyn memorial to the executed Poles (I deliberately miss - by whom).
    1. -1
      12 January 2019 22: 40
      Quote: Den717
      You must admit that it’s worthless to have human bones lying in rubbish dumps, even if these are the remains of aggressor soldiers.

      Right. It is necessary to burn the bones of the aggressors and dispel the ashes in the wind. So that the descendants of the aggressors could not say that their ancestors lay in our land and therefore they have some rights to our land.
      1. 0
        12 January 2019 23: 39
        Quote: Svateev
        It is necessary to burn the bones of the aggressors and dispel the ashes in the wind.

        ... Vain fear. Already decrepit dates
        At the monuments to grandfathers and fathers.
        British soldiers sleep peacefully.
        We never took revenge on the dead.
        (K. Simonov)
        In any case, it must be borne in mind that there are also our soldiers buried in foreign countries. The justice and injustice of wars is a very delicate matter, sometimes subjective. In the case of the remains of foreign soldiers, I think we must observe mutual correctness. In extreme cases, invite relatives or the country to take the remains of their soldier.
        1. 0
          13 January 2019 00: 17
          Quote: Den717
          The justice and injustice of wars is a very delicate matter, sometimes subjective.

          Are you betraying your future in advance already?
          1. +1
            13 January 2019 00: 46
            Firstly, I didn’t drink vodka with you, so don’t need to be familiar. Secondly, in Poland our soldiers lie. Polish leaders evaluate us as a likely adversary, at least, and the Territory Army for the period of liberation of the Polish territory considered the Red Army its enemy, who entered Poland illegally. This opinion can be treated as you like, but today it exists in the minds of most Poles. They will mirror your initiative with overfulfillment. Do you have enough bone dancing?
            About betrayal. At first I wanted to swear at you, but I don't think you will understand. But just in case: I am a military pensioner, I managed to fight with enemies, both external and internal. I have no reason to fear accusations of treason from those who know me. Your opinion on this issue does not interest me in principle. I don't care about your "cons". Is it intelligible?
            1. 0
              16 January 2019 13: 08
              Quote: Den717
              I didn’t drink vodka with you,

              And do not drink. I don’t drink with such people.
              Quote: Den717
              in the minds of most Poles. They will mirror your initiative with overfulfillment.

              I proposed to scatter the bones of the invaders, aggressors. Did Poland attack the USSR in 1941 with Germany ?! The Poles will spare the bones of German soldiers. occupying Poland itself in 1939 ?!
              And the minds of the Poles must be cleaned, reminded that Germany was our common enemy in World War II.
              Quote: Den717
              I am a military pensioner

              Moreover, it means we are people of the same generation and blowing lips about referring to "you" is at least ridiculous.
              Quote: Den717
              managed to fight with enemies and external

              Remind me of at least one war with an external enemy after 1945.
              Quote: Den717
              I have no reason to fear accusations of betrayal

              And I have reason to not trust a person who said:
              "The justice and injustice of wars is a very delicate matter, sometimes subjective."
              Such a person prepares in advance for himself the opportunity to refuse to carry out the order, since he considers the war "not just".
              1. 0
                16 January 2019 15: 46
                Quote: Svateev
                And do not drink. I don’t drink with such people.

                I do not insist. Ham is not the best drinking companion for me. There are much more pleasant companies.
                Quote: Svateev
                Moreover, it means we are people of the same generation and blowing lips about referring to "you" is at least ridiculous.

                Obviously, the years have passed partly for you, so you don’t understand that in the same generation there can be different positions worthy of respect. People like you tend to cause problems for the people around them. Your distrust is your problem, fortunately, it will not affect my perception of the world.
                1. 0
                  18 January 2019 16: 37
                  Quote: Den717
                  there may be different positions worthy of respect.

                  That tolerance climbed. Yeah ... All positions must be respected, yeah ... The position of the enemy, the occupier, must also be respected, yeah ...
                  Quote: Den717
                  People like you tend to cause problems for the people around them.

                  It is like you - the problem of Russia.
                  1. 0
                    19 January 2019 00: 09
                    Quote: Svateev

                    Quote: Den717
                    there may be different positions worthy of respect.

                    That tolerance climbed. Yeah ... All positions must be respected, yeah ...

                    You, such a small, indoor racist, however. Everything that you do not understand is hostile to you a priori. Therefore, I think it is completely pointless to talk with you about the subjectivity of evaluative philosophical constructions, because this is not your level. Trying to imagine yourself as a rude boor? Your right, only it’s hardly anyone else who is interested in you.
                    1. 0
                      27 January 2019 16: 31
                      Quote: Den717
                      You, such a small, indoor racist, however.

                      A son, a racist, is one who considers his race above others. Use the terms - so at least look at their meaning in the dictionary. No.
                      1. -2
                        27 January 2019 21: 32
                        Quote: Svateev
                        a racist is one who considers his race above others

                        You thought for a long time laughing I am explaining (clarifying) for ease of understanding: Racism (Nazism) is an ideology that involves dividing people into different varieties, superhuman and subhuman (races and Nazis are signs of division, which in the given quality has no priority), i.e. inequality of human communities. You, taking upon yourself the burden of the ultimate truth, deny me the right to have a different opinion from yours. I hope you understand what I am talking about. I will not comment on your familiarity, blaming your parents for your upbringing, here either there was not enough time or skill .... It is not my function to correct their oversight. One thing pleases, the situation according to Hayam - "... Your arrival and departure does not matter. It's just that a fly flew through the window for a moment."
                      2. 0
                        3 February 2019 17: 40
                        Quote: Den717
                        deny me the right to have a different opinion from you

                        I deny you the right to impose your opinion on me. And you can rush with your opinion as much as you like ...
                      3. -1
                        3 February 2019 18: 05
                        Quote: Svateev
                        I refuse you

                        I am your refusal "to the light" .... Thank God, children with you do not baptize.
  31. -4
    10 January 2019 20: 22
    World War II ended almost 74 years ago - this is not politics, but history.
    1. Alf
      +6
      10 January 2019 20: 59
      Quote: Steel Falcon
      World War II ended almost 74 years ago - this is not politics, but history.

      And therefore it is necessary to erect monuments to the invaders?
      1. -7
        10 January 2019 21: 10
        To occupants - no, to people - yes.
        1. Alf
          +4
          10 January 2019 21: 32
          Quote: Steel Falcon
          To occupants - no, to people - yes.

          Were there people on that side? There were enemies, invaders and killers.
          1. -7
            10 January 2019 21: 41
            They were exactly until the exit of Italy from the Axis. From that moment they became our allies.
            1. Alf
              +4
              10 January 2019 21: 47
              Quote: Steel Falcon
              They were exactly until the exit of Italy from the Axis.

              So in Russia it is precisely these along the ravines that are lying around.
            2. +5
              10 January 2019 23: 59
              Offer to erect a monument to the "Fallen Chinese Soldiers in 1979" in Vietnam.
              And let's see which way YOU WILL BE SENT ...
        2. -6
          10 January 2019 21: 37
          The decoration of the monument reflects its semantic load.
          Agree, it is one thing to put a memorial cross on the grave of the Wehrmacht soldiers, and another is a statue of Hitler on a horse and with a flag.
          The monument, erected by the Italians, contains an element of praise for the Italian soldier - a recognizable headpiece with a feather, as a sign of the tradition of valor and courage. On our land, this is inappropriate and tactless.
          They want to remember their fallen, let them find such a form of expression to remember them as people, and not part of the inhuman machine that hit us in 1941.
          1. Alf
            +5
            10 January 2019 21: 49
            Quote: Shepherd
            They want to remember their fallen, let them find such a form of expression to remember them as people, and not part of the inhuman machine that hit us in 1941.

            Who cares, were they then or part of the car? They were enemies, and enemies have no place on Russian land.
            1. -9
              10 January 2019 21: 57
              The war is over, do not boil.
              1. +12
                10 January 2019 23: 44
                No one has forgotten anything.
                1. -4
                  11 January 2019 20: 18
                  Quote: Old stock lieutenant colonel
                  No one has forgotten anything.

                  Many have forgotten and it annoys ..
                  And the war is on the nose again (possibly civil) They poison us again, judging by the article ..
          2. -5
            10 January 2019 21: 55
            They are no longer enemies, cruel and wild, but simply people who even become our allies, brave and noble.
            1. Alf
              +1
              10 January 2019 22: 26
              Quote: Steel Falcon
              They are no longer enemies, cruel and wild, but simply people who even become our allies, brave and noble.

              Russia has only two allies, the rest are fellow travelers.
              1. -3
                10 January 2019 22: 28
                You can call them that. In the adult world, even a fellow traveler is usually treated with respect.
            2. +5
              11 January 2019 00: 07
              Noble? When were Italians noble? During the storming of Sevastopol by the Sardinians in 1984? Or during Napoleon’s campaign in 1812 -
              But Napoleon was not limited to French troops. More than 230 thousand soldiers were put up by allies: Poles, Bavarians, Italians, Saxons, Prussians, Austrians ... These units, being part of the Great Army, were not foreign units in the French service, they entered the armies of their own states and were transferred under Napoleon’s command by force vassal dependence or allied obligations of their kings.

              And if the tsar-sovereign allowed to erect a monument to the army of the "Corsican Shorty" on the Borodino field, this does not mean that WE should allow to erect monuments and hang memorial plaques to every rabble striving to destroy our relatives and the COUNTRY itself!
        3. +8
          11 January 2019 05: 22
          Steel Falcon! And if they were people, what did they do on our earth? Contradict yourself!
        4. +5
          11 January 2019 13: 49
          The invaders are, first of all, the executioners, and the war was about the destruction of the people. In their own country, let them celebrate the "heroes" of the fascist era. And with us it is a crime to give honor to thugs and non-humans who destroyed women and children. You fucking protector.
  32. +1
    10 January 2019 21: 04
    Between Asha and Minyar (Chelyabinsk region) there is a cemetery of captured Hungarians who fought against us in World War II!
    There was a camp for prisoners of war, the forest fell.
    When I'm there, I use it as a toilet!
    We did not call them!
    1. +1
      10 January 2019 21: 41
      Quote: asar
      There was a camp for prisoners of war, the forest fell.
      When I'm there, I use it as a toilet!

      This is also not necessary - we keep our moral law not for someone, but for ourselves and our children.
      This is the dignity of the people.
      1. Alf
        +1
        10 January 2019 21: 50
        Quote: Shepherd
        Quote: asar
        There was a camp for prisoners of war, the forest fell.
        When I'm there, I use it as a toilet!

        This is also not necessary - we keep our moral law not for someone, but for ourselves and our children.
        This is the dignity of the people.

        So you need to explain to your children that the graves of the fallen Russian soldiers should be looked after, and that the enemies be dumped in a ravine.
  33. +2
    10 January 2019 21: 45
    Why did this nephew attach a St. George ribbon to the hat? What kind of pasazuha?
  34. 0
    10 January 2019 22: 19
    Dear Roman, is it "weak" for you to find out ALL the ins and outs of the "pebble in DAGESTAN" installation?
    To me personally - "WEAK" ...
    I did not serve in the Army, and I recently read in someone’s comments the following words - WHO DOES NOT SERVE IN THE ARMY SHOULD NOT WRITE ARTICLES IN A MILITARY REVIEW!
    Ali am I in vain broadcasting? And vilification on registered in VO people
  35. +9
    10 January 2019 22: 20
    They came to our land with weapons, killed our people, and now they are building museums. This is the height of cynicism. This is such a spit in the holy memory of our ancestors who defended and gave their lives, millions of their lives for our Motherland.
  36. +4
    10 January 2019 22: 21
    but how, they need to emphasize the victory in the Cold War, here they climb, like pilgrims, read the successors of those who came then ... then it didn’t work, we emphasize the victory now!
  37. +6
    10 January 2019 23: 34
    Scoundrels. Glory to the Soviet Army - the winner and liberator!
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  38. +8
    11 January 2019 06: 21
    This is now the norm.
    In the church of all saints, in Moscow, a monument to the command of the 15th SS cavalry corps stands quite legally. White-fascists - they have power in our place.
    Forty-four magpies and a white eagle were discovered just recently in Murmansk. In a couple of years, they will begin to demand to rename the city.
    1. -1
      11 January 2019 07: 41
      Temple address?
      1. +3
        11 January 2019 08: 12
        Leningradsky pr., 73, Sokol district,
        Moscow.
        1. -7
          11 January 2019 08: 45
          This Memorial of Reconciliation is a common monument to all the victims of the Civil and two world wars, no matter on which side they fought.
          1. +8
            11 January 2019 08: 49
            Maybee then need to go there Hitler, Mussolini and Emperor Hirohito to enter?
            1. 0
              11 January 2019 09: 59
              No one needs to enter. I personally do not like such monuments wherever they stand. For me, the aggressor can hardly be called a victim. The victim usually does not come with weapons in his hands to someone else's territory and does not kill anyone for a national or other motive. The victim is killed for nothing. But the Nazis were not killed for anything. They were killed because they did not leave any other option.
  39. +1
    11 January 2019 18: 04
    men mentally with you. If I understood correctly, then "this" is not a memorial, monument, etc., a simple solution can tractor driver Ivanov on a bulldozer not cope with control and "trim" the bulge to the bulge? or banal vandalism (after all, not a monument). success to you in your right cause.
    1. Alf
      +3
      11 January 2019 18: 12
      Quote: akunin
      a simple solution can tractor driver Ivanov lose control of the bulldozer and "trim" the bulge to the bulge?

      Can. But then this Ivanov will sit down seriously and for a long time, they will sew the demolition of the monument and vandalism and throw in a lot of things, and most of all, the "free and democratic press" and the liberal crowd will shout. And then we will find out on whose side our power is.
      1. -2
        11 January 2019 20: 55
        The approach of the article is politically incorrect. Far after that war, the descendants of those Italians should know the truth, and who, besides us, on these rapprochements will not tell our truth, is nobody, therefore the rapprochement should take place at a wide level, and not with one teacher. Italians should meet with Russians at one table, in one conversation, since times have changed, and in direct contacts and conversations they should understand each other. Politrukovskoye - it’s impossible and they are enemies, it’s not good here, they haven’t been enemies for a long time, but they’re not friends yet, they need to be made friends .. The dialogue is obligatory and then we will be understood and heard by Italians, otherwise there will again be statements of different truths and different opinions ... And in vain they defame the old teacher, and yet he is doing a good deed in the field of Russian - Italian friendship, and here he needs help. The essence of the phenomena must be understood and directed for the benefit of Rodin ... That is who puts obstacles to such peaceful rapprochement, clearly works against Russia ...
        1. +1
          12 January 2019 22: 59
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          in direct contacts and conversations understand each other.

          They must understand that walking to us with a sword is unhealthy. For this, OUR monuments are needed.
          And what should I understand about the occupier who killed one of my grandfathers and bombed my mother? And why do I need a monument to the occupier on my land ?!
          Although... Now, if they erect a monument where they are on their knees asking for forgiveness for their unreasonable ancestors, then I would probably agree with such a monument!
          1. 0
            12 January 2019 23: 29
            And how the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians look at us, because recently they have been occupiers in the full sense of the word for a long time, maybe it is time for them to demand an apology from you on your knees. Here for Katyn and Mednoy, B.N. Yeltsin apologized to the Poles ..... You do not take into account a little and confuse times, generations, events. or simply inadequate, clogged brains do not allow you to see everything, or maybe troll ... And these Italians, children and grandchildren, and there is no reason or reason to quarrel with them. . The story is not straightforward, but you probably only have one part of the truth in your mind, the other, unfortunately, you don’t see, maybe you don’t know .. But you need to live peacefully and find a common denominator with everyone .....
            1. +1
              13 January 2019 00: 25
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              And how Poles, Czechs, Hungarians look at us

              News are not following?
              The Poles and other laki began to demolish our monuments just when we allowed the invaders to build their monuments with us. And before, when we did not allow ourselves to build theirs, they did not demolish ours.
              So it is not necessary to be afraid of their opinions, but to impose the correct one: they were invaders and there can be no forgiveness and reconciliation with the occupier, our cause is just, Victory was ours!
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              Here for Katyn and Mednoy B.N. Yeltsin asked the Poles to apologize.

              That's why they constantly spit on Yeltsin’s grave (a monument to him is smeared with paint). And rightly so ...
            2. 0
              16 January 2019 13: 18
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, because recently they have long been invaders in the full sense of the word

              Crazy?! We, who liberated the Poles, Czechs occupied by Germany, are we occupiers ?! We at 1990 voluntarily withdrew our troops from their territories.
              And we are invaders ?!
              We are fools who have withdrawn troops! Because they gave power in the media of these countries to our enemies and the media taught the people of these countries that the occupiers are us, not Germany.
              1. 0
                16 January 2019 16: 08
                Let me remind you: Hungary, 1956, Czechoslovakia, 1968, Poland, 1981, only the threat of Soviet troops being sent in, the Poles used their armed forces of the Polish PZPR ... And everywhere, popular uprisings were crushed by military force ... In your dictum: they gave the media the enemies and the essence that we were on the same level with all the invaders ... Here is the conclusion until 1993 of the USSR Armed Forces., - somewhat smoothed out those dislikes in the countries of the former Sots. Camps, but TODAY the policy of the government of the Russian Federation for a couple of decades has created enemies from friendly countries ...
                1. 0
                  18 January 2019 16: 31
                  Quote: Vladimir 5
                  suppressed popular uprisings ...

                  Folk? !! In Hungary, the Nazi accomplices that were not finished on our land again fought against us.
                  I went to Czechoslovakia as part of the pioneer delegation in 1973. We walked around the cities (Olomouc, Prague and others) in our red pioneer ties without any security, from the local - only a guide. They even let me walk around the center of Prague one by one. No excesses with the local population, normal friendly attitude. And this - 5 years after the "suppressed popular uprising" ?! Do not repeat nonsense!
                  The Poles themselves figured out their Maidan.
                  1. 0
                    18 January 2019 18: 34
                    Svateev ... You did not have deep contacts with the local pioneers at that time, just greet you, goodbye, and party workers as guides, because you have such memories and ideas. The Czech Republic is a highly cultured country and understands the essence of the problems, and there is no bias towards individual people, so that children and others could walk boldly ... Just why the "dissident" and prisoner of 1968 P. Havel became the first president of the Czech Republic, you They did not understand the reasons ... Your brains are muddy and dusty and you do not know the truths, therefore, such comments, and for many, - the problem is in our awareness, or rather in constant misinformation, even today ... About the uprisings of 1956, "Prague Spring" , commentators and judge by their available "information", for the derived "homo sovieticus" - sorry for the truth ... I was in the Czech Republic for a long time at the end of the XNUMXs and talked with different people ...
                    1. 0
                      27 January 2019 16: 38
                      Quote: Vladimir 5
                      You didn’t have deep contacts with the local pioneer then,

                      We spent 3 weeks with local Czechoslovak schoolchildren, as well as with the GDR schoolchildren, near Olomouc in the same pioneer camp. Where is "deeper"?
                      By the way, schoolchildren from socialist countries came to our pioneer camp "Artek-na Akhtuba" (Volgograd) for one shift every summer.
                      Quote: Vladimir 5
                      Your brains are dusty and dusty and you don’t know the truths,

                      I say that I saw it myself, and you tell me that you were hammered into your head. And who does not know the truths here?
                      Quote: Vladimir 5
                      He was in the Czech Republic for a long time at the end of the zero

                      Well, share your "secret knowledge"!
      2. +2
        11 January 2019 21: 02
        It would be more epic to iron the T-34, the other day they brought 30 pieces.
        P.S. My ancestor from Italy, 300 years ago, came to Russia to work, was a master. The surname remained, the grandfather fought in the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War, was seriously wounded in 1944 (relatives received a funeral), thank God survived but was commissioned as an invalid, died in the 1980s. I am personally against the monuments to the Nazis, Nazis and other geeks categorically.
      3. 0
        13 January 2019 19: 24
        The fact of placing (which Mr. Morozov so denied) inside the bone memorial they established, but that’s all. Yes, the claimed articles are clearly inappropriate here, but the fact that the memorial has turned into an illegal burial has a place to be.
        Quote: Alf
        Ivanov will sit down seriously and for a long time, they will sew both the demolition of the monument and vandalism, and they will throw a lot of things

        in jurisprudence is not strong, but where is vandalism?
        In accordance with Article 16 para.
        4 of the Federal Law dated 12.01.1996 No. 8-ФЗ “On burial and funeral affairs”, the provision of a land plot for the placement of a burial place is carried out by local authorities in accordance with the land legislation
        1. Alf
          0
          13 January 2019 21: 43
          Quote: akunin
          in jurisprudence is not strong, but where is vandalism?

          So the same bulldozer.
          1. 0
            14 January 2019 10: 22
            so a commemorative sign or not legal burial.
            1. Alf
              0
              14 January 2019 18: 33
              Quote: akunin
              so a commemorative sign or not legal burial.

              For the prosecutor, this will not be of particular importance.
  40. +1
    13 January 2019 09: 49
    Quote: Steel Falcon
    World War II ended almost 74 years ago - this is not politics, but history.

    Maybe you're right about WWII, but the memory of the Great Patriotic War should live in memory and hearts forever ...
  41. 0
    15 January 2019 23: 20
    author, calm down, drink valerian (yadu))), when I read this opus, it seemed to me that you were being raped
  42. 0
    16 January 2019 00: 34
    It turns out that the Nazi occupiers have military glory. I have the impression that Alim is out of his mind. And who allowed him to keep weapons freely available. In the kindergarten. He is a black digger. In Baltiysk former Pilau. Submarine base of the Fuhrer convoy. They began to dig a foundation pit under the bridge. And there are corpses of both ours and Germans. The Germans were invited, the Germans selected and sorted the medallions. Allowed to create a burial place. There were not only those who were hung on the poplars by the SS team's probe. No one was interested in them during the fighting. But the battles were fierce. So the Germans visit the burial grounds, but this ideotism with drooling leaflets is not. Many of us were killed. A monument to the heroes of the Pilau assault is visible from the window. A tank on a pedestal and two howitzers. And then the glory of fighting pasta and soup set in the monument. And I had funerals for two grandfathers to the wives. My father was a military representative of tanks in Kungur. I could stay, but I wrote a report I want to avenge my father. Skillfully fought. And here donuts starving loyal duce.
  43. 0
    8 June 2019 00: 17
    https://yadi.sk/d/crLWEn5QJXzgbA
    This is a recording from a gathering of hangers-on "servants of the people." Here everything is in all its glory. Watch the Rossosh comedy and draw conclusions about these reptiles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rllO2jzaznY