Turkish "Cobra" could not stand the explosion of the IED

Turkish-made lightweight armored car "Cobra" was defenseless in front of an improvised explosive device (IED), laid by terrorists in the African country of Burkina Faso, writes Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

An explosion of a homemade bomb planted directly into the roadway, threw the vehicle of the national army up and overturned on the roof. After which the vehicle caught fire.

Car damage was fatal. The photo shows that an impressive hole was punched in the bottom of the Cobra.

It is reported that three of the seven soldiers inside were killed, the other four were seriously injured.

These armored cars are not the first time showing the depressing results of their participation in military conflicts. Earlier, during the short-term war in August 2008, the Georgian army lost two cars of this model.

Turkish units that used these armored cars also suffered losses. For example, in the summer of 2016, five Turkish soldiers who participated in an operation against the PKK died as a result of an IED exploded.

Armored car "Cobra" with wheel formula 4х4 created in 1997 year. Its mass exceeds 6 tons. Installed engine power - 190 hp, speed - up to 115 km / h. Reservations - bulletproof. Inside, space is provided for 9 military personnel.

According to Russian experts, today this armored car can be considered obsolete - its design does not have reserves for modernization.

Comments

[private person]

The mass of IEDs is not specified, nothing surprising since the tanks can’t stand it and then the armored car. There is no reception against scrap.

[Dreamboat]

It all depends on the size of the scrap. Judging by the damage to the roadway, the explosive device was not too powerful (although a directed nature of the explosion is possible) and such a hole is a bad indicator. Moreover, the vehicle's design (V-shaped bottom and high suspension) positioned it as MRAP!

[novobranets]

Quote: Dreamboat

Judging by the damage to the roadway, the explosive device was not too powerful

The shellless, shallow VCA does not leave a large funnel. According to estimates, a kilogram will pull by three or four. Not the slightest surprise.

[spec.78]

Usually installed 20-30 cm from the surface. I agree, there are 3-4 kg. Not much for a shell. Explosives in various PTMs from 6,5 kg. It's just that this armored car is not designed for such explosions. So it is written: "bulletproof armor". In general, the hat turned out to be not according to Senka

[Shurik70]

Of the seven inside servicemen, three died, the remaining four were seriously injured.
This is a GOOD indicator, considering that the reservation is OPPOINT
Six tons of weight - this is generally not a machine for the battlefield. It is precisely in the rear of the troops to carry. It's amazing that at least someone survived.

I was interested in something else. How could a mine be mounted in asphalt? Or is there concrete at all? Although there is a lot of land on the photo, however, the road itself is of excellent quality. No pits, no bumps, no ups, downs, turns.

[spec.78]

There is an ordinary primer, just rolled over the years

[Gray brother]

Quote: novobranets

The non-enveloped, shallow IED does not leave a large funnel.

IEDs with a cumulative funnel was similar to the type of anti-aircraft mines.
A funnel in the ground is small.

[novobranets]

Quote: Gray Brother

IED with cumulative funnel

The cumulative charge leaves a small hole. The striking factor jet of hot gases, something like a torch. The car would remain on wheels. Here we see a decent destruction of the hull, this gives reason to believe that a landmine is triggering.

[Gray brother]

Quote: novobranets

The cumulative charge leaves a small hole.

This is if there is a copper cone in it, and if it is just an explosive molded in the form of a funnel, then there will be nothing to form a cumulative jet from and there will be just a directed explosion, and it will be possible to push Poroshenko, swollen in the morning, into the "hole".
The Germans broke the Maginot line with such charges.

[YOUR]

Judging by the funnel, at least 155 mm shell was used as an IED

[svp67]

Light Turkish-made armored car "Cobra" was defenseless against a makeshift explosive device (IED)

Judging by the funnel, the breach in the bottom and the distance this "Cobra" flew off, it looks like a milk can with explosives was laid there, but its explosion and the tank would not have survived.

Of the seven inside servicemen, three were reportedly killed, the remaining four were seriously injured.

There is also LIVING IS ??????? Well then, this is a SUPER BATTLE MACHINE, ours would hardly have survived such an explosion

[210ox]

I was also surprised ... The Turkish armor is strong. More precisely, the protection of personnel has been thought out. Usually no one survives with THIS.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: 210ox

I was also surprised ... The Turkish armor is strong. More precisely, the protection of personnel has been thought out.

as required ...

[Hypersound]

Trash this turkish armor

[Piramidon]

Quote: Hypersound

Trash this turkish armor

First you need to figure out what kind of IED it was, and then scream so "patriotically". Well, be you at least a little more objective and smarter, gentlemen "hurray-patriots". If not ours, then all this is "rubbish", in your opinion? "Some kind of manic stupidity.

[Hypersound]

Rave. Slop armored car, could not stand a funny explosion under the bottom. Even some civilian armored cars are better, not to mention specials. cars

[Piramidon]

Quote: Hypersound

could not stand a funny explosion under the bottom

1. "Funny", how much do you think?
2. How long will a similar BRDM, Humvee or Tiger survive?

[sabakina]

Quote: Piramidon

or "Tiger"?

Stepan, have you seen the "Military acceptance" ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: sabakina

Stepan, have you seen the "Military acceptance" ...

Vyacheslav, do you know exactly how much the "Turk" exploded? After all, it is not written. HZ, maybe the tank would not have survived there.

[Piramidon]

Vyacheslav, how much does such an armored car weigh and what kind of charge does it take to throw it off the road to a ditch?

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Hypersound

Rave. Slop armored car, could not stand a funny explosion under the bottom. Even some civilian armored cars are better, not to mention specials. cars

Comrade, would you take it easier on bends - see a funny explosion in the photo? I rather agree with the opinion above - and then there are still alive? amazing ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Hypersound

Rave. Slop armored car, could not stand a funny explosion under the bottom. Even some civilian armored cars are better, not to mention specials. cars

Egor, do you want the UAZ to hold an explosion like a T-72? Do you have any brains?

[loki565]

So what??? any armored car after a mine explosion will be the same.

[novobranets]

Quote: 210ox

Usually no one survives with THIS.

Severe concussion and spinal injury are likely. Maybe also barotrauma, still an enclosed volume. This is very serious.

[Gray brother]

Quote: novobranets

Severe concussion and spinal injury are likely.

There are no legs, intestines outward and the driveshaft in one place.

[private person]

Well, judging by the gap in the bottom, the survivors will be envious of those who died immediately, since they will spend the rest of their lives on a gurney or lying down.

[ANCIENT]

There are living ones, probably because they threw them out in a blast wave, otherwise there would simply be zero options to survive. ..

[Hypersound]

Also, the slop "bulletproof glass" was struck by something, probably with a branch of a tree.

[novobranets]

Quote: ANCIENT

threw them out in a blast wave

Through the armor?

[Gray brother]

Quote: novobranets

Through the armor?

The shooter could fly out if it stuck out of the hatch, the rest turned into cutlets.

[novobranets]

The article talks about the four survivors. True, nothing is said about their completeness. With such an explosion, traumatic amputation is not excluded.

[IGU]

The edges of the break are bent in different directions. It seems BC detonated after.

[Gray brother]

Quote: IGU

It seems BC detonated after.

There is no such BC to detonate, there is a machine gun 12.7.

[IGU]

There is no such BC to detonate, there is a machine gun 12.7.

did you collect it yourself on a campaign, if so confidently? Seven inside empty-handed rode?

[Gray brother]

Quote: IGU

you yourself collected it on a campaign, if so confident?

In the photo you can see. Do you want to present me or cho?

[IGU]

[quote] The photo shows [/ quote] It is visible what was inside?
[quote] [/ Do you want to show me or what? Quote] God forbid!

[Hypersound]

Are you kidding me? It's trash

[Piramidon]

Quote: Hypersound

Are you kidding me? It's trash

Like this. I said - trash and FSE, and no arguments. I don’t know what exploded there and how much, but it doesn’t matter, because it is ours and, therefore, “rubbish,” I said so.
Compare with similar vehicles, a connoisseur of armored vehicles.

[Vladimir 5]

The detonation went down the center of the bottom, so there is a breach, few would have withstood ... More often, under the wheels, undermining, then less damage, the wheel will tear off and the blast wave will pass along the tangent to the side of the bottom ... It is not entirely correct to blame Cobra with such an explosion. .. And there is no reception against scrap ...

[maw]

[quote in in ours they would hardly have survived such an explosion] [[i] / quote]
And ours inside do not drive, everything is on top, on the armor. It is better to get shell shock and perlomo flying from an armored personnel carrier when undermining than to be inside. Judging by the picture, the detonation was in the center of the car, those who were inside were not likely to survive. Usually the blast is in the area of ​​wheelsets. In April 96, during an IRM, an armored personnel carrier blew up. The front right wheel flew off and the right side of the front opened up like a can opener. All are alive, only the strongest shell shock.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: maw

In April, 96., While conducting the IRM, our armored personnel carrier was blown up. The front right wheel flew off and the front right bochin rolled up like a can opener. All are alive, only the strongest contusions.

I am sincerely glad that everything worked out relatively well! And in general Respect involved THEN.

[Lopatov]

So it seems like it is not obliged to withstand, it is not positioned as a machine with protection against undermining.

[GKS 2111]

Not obliged, of course! Here your neighbors from above (svp67) and from below (Azazelo) very stylishly and beautifully described the situation!

[Dreamboat]

Exactly how MRAP positioned it, speaking about the advantages of the V-shaped bottom and high suspension in front of the HMMWV

[Azazelo]

If enough explosives are planted, the tanks fly there, and then there’s some jeep ..

[IGU]

It is reported that three of the seven soldiers inside were killed, the other four were seriously injured.

With such a hole in the bottom, how did anyone survive?

[gabonskijfront]

This is not a jeep, judging by the photo he has a carrying body, which means it belongs to crossovers, like our Niva. By the way, I am a happy owner of a Niva.

[Hypersound]

Exactly happy?)

[Micfoster]

If the soil is medium density, then most likely the mass of explosives is 5-7 kg. but no more than 10 that's for sure!

[Dreamboat]

Rather 3.5 trotyl, since the damage is very similar to a hit of 125 mm. OFS ...

[pros000007]

powerful landmine, I think not one MRAP such an explosion would not stand

[Sayan]

Found on Nagayna Riki-Tiki-Tavi))))

[Terenin]

Turkish "Cobra" could not stand the explosion of the IED
This is probably because she was blown up

[ANCIENT]

According to the photo of the funnel, the weight of the explosive device is 5 kg, no more, but the question is what kind of explosives were used there.

[Thunderbolt]

The funnel seemed to have detonated a 122 mm shell. For Level 1, STANAG is deadly power.
Whose soldiers were they in Burkina Faso? peacekeepers?

[san4es]

Light Turkish-made armored car "Cobra" was defenseless against a makeshift explosive device (IED)

[Hypersound]

The armor seems to be from "Gyurza-M"

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Hypersound

The armor seems to be from "Gyurza-M"

Rather from "Lada Kalina". You look at the sheet - almost tin, and there is no 5 mm. Purely in Turkish - make a V-shaped bottom (in both senses) of non-armor steel. It will not stand F-1.

[Hypersound]

Well, it also depends on the grade of steel, for example, 5mm Ts85 will withstand and not only F1, but generally agree with you

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Hypersound

Well, it also depends on the grade of steel, for example, 5mm Ts85 will withstand and not only F1, but generally agree with you

Repeatedly came across Turkish plumbing, when under the guise of casting (it is written in the passport that it is casting) - a gritty powder that splits. The chef bought Turkish drills, so the "carbide" tips stupidly crumbled, like rotten teeth. Not surprisingly, they have the same armor. Only suicide bombers can drive such cars.

[Narak-zempo]

Salute to the fighting people of Burkina Faso!

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Narak-zempo

Salute to the fighting people of Burkina Faso!

Are you delusional? maybe you will also greet the ISIS members?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Warrior2015

Are you delusional? maybe you will also greet the ISIS members?

What does the LIH? You still look for Bandera there. That's what the Shaytan Turks have forgotten there, I completely incomprehensible.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Narak-zempo

What does the LIH? You still look for Bandera there. That's what the Shaytan Turks have forgotten there, I completely incomprehensible.

And you see who has come to greet! And not the Turks, but the international contingent of the UN, there are all sorts of nations.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Warrior2015

And you look whom you are going to greet

And what to watch, and so it is clear that a guerrilla war is always full of excesses, and "actions" against the civilian population are often carried out by both sides.

Quote: Warrior2015

And not the Turks, but the international contingent of the UN, all sorts of nations are there.

I also remember Korea, the UN contingent was pacifying, and even New Zealanders were driven there. Which did not stop the Chinese comrades and a bit of our grandfathers (also UN countries!) From picking their legs and wings.

[kotdavin4i]

Quote: Narak-zempo

- UN contingent

Well then tell this to the Russian peacekeepers in Transnistria, to those guys who were in South Ossetia on 08.08.08 ... They are also in blue helmets, they are also considered the "UN contingent"

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: kotdavin4i

Quote: Narak-zempo

- UN contingent

Well then tell this to the Russian peacekeepers in Transnistria, to those guys who were in South Ossetia on 08.08.08 ... They are also in blue helmets, they are also considered the "UN contingent"

So that's OURS. They are fighting, first of all, for the interests of Russia - somewhere in the "contingent", and somewhere against.

[Mestny]

Quote: svp67

ut also LIVING IS ??????? Well then, this is a SUPER BATTLE MACHINE, ours would hardly have survived such an explosion

Well, of course, in ours, of course not.
Here's the news, like about a Turkish car, but ours still need to be smeared, right?

[Hypersound]

What rubbish, in 2k18 they make comfortable, externally 1v1 like civilian armored vehicles that withstand 6kg anti-tank mines under the wheel and 120kg directional explosion from 4 meters

[Hypersound]

Yes, and the Tiger is better, not to mention the Tiger-2 (soon on sale, ask the military agencies of your city)

[loki565]

yeah much better

[loki565]

The mess is complete, the PR manager is in action))) then we’ll see 6kg under the bottom, it is advisable to take a real anti-tank mine, and not these explosive packages from the video)))

[Servisinzhener]

The statement that the modified car holds 15 kg of TNT at 2 meters and 120 at 4 looks somehow dubious. It is even more doubtful that he will be able to protect from an IED made of 203 mm HE or from FAB-250.

[Hypersound]

Drop doubts and watch the video

[Graz]

Well, the explosion was evidently directly under the bottom, and not the wheel, so this project did not show maximum protection, although the fact that there are survivors directly at the scene is already good for this, the Turks still have far from high tech

[Blue fox]

Installation almost in the middle of the roadway, where it is difficult to disguise, undermining in the most vulnerable place of the car (under the belly between the axles) is the work of a pro.

[Reserve buildbat]

I looked at the funnel and the bottom of the car, and for some reason immediately thought of the Abrams' cumulative fragmentation projectile buried at an angle. And such a "toy" is unlikely to survive. This partly explains the fact that there are survivors.

[faiver]

as if nothing surprising, this is a light armored car ..., I suspect that the Abrams or the leopard would also not get off with a scratch ...

[loki565]

Yes, there’s a video how ours during the exercises laid several explosive packets on top of each other, so MTLB broke the bottom and the driver’s wound

[Reserve buildbat]

And you can shoot a video of how they will put you on one explosive bag and blow it up.
I think it will not seem enough to you, but this tragedy will in no way characterize the damage to the Turkish "Cobra" and the size and power of the used IED

[loki565]

Well, if you are so short-sighted, then it will be difficult for you))) If the MTLB has unfolded its bottom from explosive packages, tore off the skating rink and crushed the legs of the driver, what to take from the cobra after applying real IED

[Reserve buildbat]

Distant you are ours, have you read somewhere that "motorcycle league" has mine protection? And what class?
And the "Cobra" is just positioned as an armored car with protection against a mine explosion both under the wheel and under the belly. If you are not aware, there is a whole range of technologies that simply did not exist when designing MTLB 50-60 years ago. So don't compare.

[loki565]

As for the MTLB, there is the fault of the near-minded representatives of the junior command staff. The armor of MTLB and the cobra are basically the same. From protection against mines there is only a V-shaped bottom and it is not fully implemented, so they can be compared quite well. It is bought because of the relative cheapness, and not from outstanding mine or ballistic characteristics)))

[Reserve buildbat]

And you did not say that the strength and composition of armor change over the years? And the armor, cast 10 years ago, much stronger than the 50-year-old? The composition of her other And by the way, we can assume that the cobra seats are not welded to the floor, and hang on brackets from the ceiling. Very, you know, contributes to the survival of the crew))) And do not confuse the V-shaped bottom when the seats are hung with a flat bottom with seats installed on it.
And by the way, when MTLB was created, the issue of mine resistance of this artillery tractor never put

[loki565]

Seriously, armor for 10 years differs from 50 years ???))) And the fact that MTLB is still being issued, why did you get that the composition of the armor did not change there ???))) Once again for ...... Cobras are bought those who did not have enough money for a normal MRAP. although you can still buy an African miracle)))

[Reserve buildbat]

I just repeat, otherwise you, apparently, do not know)))) MTLB was created as a tractor. He must carry cargo in the first place. This is not an armored personnel carrier, not an infantry / landing vehicle, not an armored reconnaissance vehicle. Charge this. For cargo, not for people. Of course, it’s calculated how many people he can carry. If anything, there are similar calculations even for KamAZ dump truck bodies. Indign yourself why this civilian dump truck is not protected from 6kg TNT under the axle Requirements and therefore, designs and materials are different.

[loki565]

Well, there is an explosive package, and here is 6kg TNT or more, a decent-sized funnel.

[Dmitry Zadorozhniy]

I'm certainly not a great specialist, but it looks like a landmine based on 125mm. The projectile. Well, they love all sorts of abreks shells to remake landmines. The funnel is not large, and the jeep threw very far.

[Prisoner]

Gentlemen, journalists make surprised faces? Yes, alright! Show me the box with absolute reliability and I will believe that the world will soon embark on the path of pacifism! And all over.

[Prisoner]

The fact that it continues to ride is not his merit, but a lack of explosives from the opponent.

[Dmitry Zadorozhniy]

Rather, not a shortage of centuries. A lack of knowledge of a certain kind. Which are not taught at school. Not the right clogging. And all, the effect is not the one that was expected.

[kotdavin4i]

Good evening, but no one looked at the fighting mass of Cobra? - By the way, 6,3 tons, and now calculate the mass of the charge that could throw it and turn it around? there is not 4-5 kg, but more - so that there remained alive there is still a big plus for this technique.

[Alexander not great]

This is a light armored car, his sniper holes, then there are survivors already fine.

[Protos]

Quote: Dreamboat

It all depends on the size of the scrap. Judging by the damage to the roadway, the explosive device was not too powerful (although a directed nature of the explosion is possible) and such a hole is a bad indicator. MRAP!

There are 7-10 kg. there was no less, not every tank could stand :)

[Avior]

You can blow up the tank.
moreover, judging by the picture, the explosion fell into the most vulnerable place, strictly under the bottom of the bottom.
if under the wheel there weren’t such consequences, the wheel would be torn off.
and so, the Turks were not lucky, they drove very unsuccessfully, half a meter to the side, and there would be no such consequences