Putin spoke about the new Ukrainian church, "yellow vests" and Brexit

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Commenting on the creation of a new church structure in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin said that the state had directly intervened in the affairs of the church.

What is happening now in Orthodoxy is simply incomprehensible to the mind. This is a direct state intervention in the church, religious life. This has never happened before since the time of the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, in Ukraine it is happening now.




Putin spoke about the new Ukrainian church, "yellow vests" and Brexit


According to Putin, this is being done on the eve of the election campaign and in order to further break between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples. At the same time, he said that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate was an absolutely independent church, but with the suggestion of the Ukrainian authorities created this united splitting church of the Istanbul parish.

For the split will begin the redistribution of property, maybe even bloody, God forbid, this will reach
- Putin added.

Referring to the protests of "yellow jackets" in France, Putin compared the situation in the fuel market of the two countries. He confirmed that citizens have the right to hold meetings, but such events should remain within the law. Putin noted that it is incorrect to assess the actions of the French authorities, they deliberately went for the increase in the price of gasoline and diesel fuel. In Russia, gasoline prices rose due to rising oil prices on world markets. At the same time, the Russian government is taking all measures to block this growth.

On the question of the British Brexit, Vladimir Putin said that he would touch Russia in the "minimum value". On the other hand, relations between Russia and Britain are now at a dead end and it is necessary to look for ways out of this situation. Despite the bad relations, Britain, more than any other country, makes direct investments in Russia - 22 billion dollars.
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  1. +22
    20 December 2018 14: 52
    Putin noted that it was incorrect to evaluate the actions of the French authorities, they deliberately went to raise prices for gasoline and diesel fuel. In Russia, gas prices rose due to rising oil prices on world markets

    What hypocrisy .. and France generally produces a lot of oil? Russia unconsciously raises prices .. In general, does the government consciously do something?
    1. +19
      20 December 2018 15: 01
      He confirmed that citizens have the right to hold meetings, but such events should remain within the law. Putin noted that it was incorrect to evaluate the actions of the French authorities, they deliberately went to raise prices for gasoline and diesel fuel. In Russia, gas prices rose due to rising oil prices on world markets.

      Firstly, in France, the freedom of meetings and assemblies is constitutionally enshrined, and in Russia, rallies and assemblies are prohibited, they need to obtain "permission" from the authorities. Secondly, now oil prices in the world are falling, while gasoline prices in Russia are growing and will continue to grow, and the government has already warned about this further. Fuel prices rose in Russia and earlier, when oil prices all over the world fell in price, this growth was presented as "compensation for losses in the external market." In general, the government does not hide the fact that the prices for fuel and everything else in Russia will continue to grow until they reach the level of the average European market, when the domestic market becomes as attractive to businessmen as the foreign one. But wages will grow, like, but .... at a low rate, since we, they say, have low labor productivity and it is necessary to maintain the attractiveness of labor resources for external investment. So, in the long term we are waiting for "European" prices for everything, but salaries will remain the same as in ..... it is clear from someone, for greater "attractiveness". Yes In general, I "like" the position of the VVP - at first he signed laws that "clamped down" the people to please the nouveau riche and officials, and now he refers to these laws everywhere, like and "I would be glad, but I can't, but the laws are getting in the way, everything should be zakonu ".... Correctly write-hypocrite.
      1. +3
        20 December 2018 15: 05
        Under the Constitution, there is a right to assembly and rally. Yesterday I wrote.
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          1. +2
            20 December 2018 15: 20
            Svarog is not patriots, but patriots!
            1. -2
              20 December 2018 15: 33
              Quote: pro000007
              Svarog is not patriots, but patriots!

              Excuse me, but will you be an Svidomo by the hour?
              1. +9
                20 December 2018 15: 40
                Gray brother
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Quote: pro000007
                Svarog is not patriots, but patriots!

                Excuse me, but will you be an Svidomo by the hour?
                1. -6
                  20 December 2018 15: 48
                  Quote: pro000007
                  Gray brother

                  Forgot your Russian language? What kind of creativity is this quickly laid out? Have you prepared it beforehand, did you know what I would ask?
          2. +12
            20 December 2018 15: 41
            Today, United Russia brought to VO a powerful composition of commentators .. Minutes are only noise, but polemics are avoided. These are the true traitors of the motherland

            Well, here you need to understand one point - the country's population was finally divided into two groups - the first group - the oligarchs, the government, officials and their servants and their defenders - the security forces and .... the army, that is, those who receive feeding or due to the preference of "standing at the throne "and joining the" clan of friends "and" acquaintances "or at the expense of" the sovereign's salary, rations and so on, but they have one thing in common - they do not produce anything, they live off the rent - land from the subsoil, tax - from taxes from the rest of the population.The second part of the people are those who, in market conditions, are forced to spin themselves, look for where to earn their "penny" - these are entrepreneurs, businessmen who, without preferences, are looking for objects for their business and employees, who sell their labor in a free and, in principle, uncontrolled labor market.This second group contains not only itself, but also the first group, about which it was written above.Therefore, the difference in the perception of reality: the first group clings to r condemned feeding, demonstrating in every possible way its loyalty to the regime, and the second, overlaid with an already unbearable yoke, from the ever-increasing desires of the first group, is already exhausted and indignant. That's all.
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      2. +2
        20 December 2018 15: 51
        I want to correct you dear colleague))
        1) in France, you also need to get permission to hold rallies and protests
        2) "Total" pumps jade around the world and the price per liter of diesel today is about 110-120 rubles (1,50; 1,70 €)
        Pack of cigarettes 55 rubles (7 €)
        Bottle of the cheapest vodka 0,5 (10 €)
        Real bread per kg .from 3.5 to 6 €
        And the bulk of people work for a minimum wage which is not enough to make ends meet
        So there is no need for illusions, my friend, as they say "everywhere it is good where we are not present"
        1. +6
          20 December 2018 16: 06
          I want to correct you dear colleague))
          1) in France, you also need to get permission to hold rallies and protests

          Thanks for the amendment, but .... in France you don't need to get a "permit", you just need to send a "notification". "Permission" and "notification" are slightly different things. hi
          https://ria.ru/20120521/654426496.html
      3. +4
        20 December 2018 17: 35
        The French government deliberately raises the price of gasoline, and the Russian - unconsciously.
        It can cause an ambulance - to bring the government to consciousness.
        The price of oil is rising - gas prices are rising in Russia, the price of oil is falling - gas prices are rising. Conclusion: the price of gasoline does not depend on the price of oil. Question: what is gasoline made of? Maybe from gold? No answer needed.
        1. +1
          20 December 2018 20: 32
          Quote: Bearded
          Question: what is gasoline made of?


          From taxes. The counter that ticks at the gas station shows how much you pay to the treasury, and not how much fuel you buy. The price at a gas station does not depend on the price of fuel.
          An acquaintance of mine works for one oil company. From the first. She says that retail is working at a loss. They wanted to close the entire network of gas stations across the country, but their main boss got a call "from where it should be" and told them not to do so.
    2. +1
      20 December 2018 15: 07
      Quote: Svarog
      But does France produce a lot of oil at all?

      It normally extracts, including us. You know "Total"?
      1. +11
        20 December 2018 15: 17
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Quote: Svarog
        But does France produce a lot of oil at all?

        It normally extracts, including us. You know "Total"?

        The fact that all our "partners" are mined from us, I know both the USA and England and Germany and the Saudis .. The point is that there is no such thing on their own territory (France) .. but we have .. but everyone uses this benefit, except for the population of Russia ..
        1. 0
          20 December 2018 15: 23
          Quote: Svarog
          except the population of Russia ..

          I, personally, support nationalization. But I am afraid that the population of Russia, after that, will not have the patience to wait for dividends, because there will be fifty Khodorkovskys, complete with Yukos, there will be courts, there will be arrests of state property and assets abroad, there will be sanctions up to an embargo.
          Everything is like in Venezuela.

          I fully admit that you can then hug your tank of oil, but I have no idea what you will do with it.
          1. +10
            20 December 2018 15: 43
            Quote: Gray Brother
            I, personally, for nationalization. But I’m afraid that after that the Russian population will not have enough patience to wait for dividends,

            A technical issue, has several solutions:
            1. review the outcome of the predatory privatization of the 90s, pay as much as you bought.
            2. A more radical option is to nationalize without payment at all, to leave the jurisdiction of international courts .. simply score on everyone .. in 1917 they scored and nothing ..
            1. 0
              20 December 2018 16: 02
              Quote: Svarog
              . simply to score at all .. in 1917 they scored and nothing ..

              Well, as nothing - twenty years later they were practically in a blockade. It was hard, I do not think that the current citizens of the Russian Federation are capable of this.
              1. +9
                20 December 2018 16: 10
                Quote: Gray Brother
                Quote: Svarog
                . simply to score at all .. in 1917 they scored and nothing ..

                Well, as nothing - twenty years later they were practically in a blockade. It was hard, I do not think that the current citizens of the Russian Federation are capable of this.

                And now we are not in blockade? Those countries to which we are profitable will not go to the blockade with us, but those that go and are boycotting this way ...
                1. -1
                  20 December 2018 16: 22
                  Quote: Svarog
                  And now we are not in blockade?

                  No, of course, so petty podlyanki from "partners".
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Those countries to which we are profitable will not go to the blockade with us, but those that go and are boycotting this way ...

                  This does not mean that they themselves cannot be placed in such conditions that all the benefits will be lost.
                  Moreover, capitalist property for them is sacred. All the capitalists of the world will climb the wall - and suddenly they will do the same with them. So it is necessary to punish so that the rest is not disgraceful, well, the government must be changed - criminal, the stump is clear.
            2. -7
              20 December 2018 16: 07
              Quote: Svarog
              1917 scored and nothing ..

              ... and got the intervention. Only in 1917 there were no more precision weapons, stealth and other other goodies.

              Are you ready to try all of the above? I’m somehow not.
              1. +3
                20 December 2018 16: 11
                Quote: Consultant
                Quote: Svarog
                1917 scored and nothing ..

                ... and got the intervention. Only in 1917 there were no more precision weapons, stealth and other other goodies.

                Are you ready to try all of the above? I’m somehow not.

                Cat, too, what kind of nationalization are you?
                1. -3
                  20 December 2018 16: 38
                  Quote: Svarog
                  Cat you too

                  I don’t understand ... you yourself are a cat laughing

                  Quote: Svarog
                  you, too, what kind of nationalization?

                  Actually, I’m boiling for anyone other than a hunger strike (s).

                  And I also really love when questions are answered. Directly and unequivocally, yeah.
                  1. +3
                    20 December 2018 16: 51
                    Quote: Consultant
                    I don’t understand ... you yourself are a cat

                    I liked Manul better of all laughing Style combined with a nickname laughing
                    Quote: Consultant
                    Actually, I’m boiling for anyone other than a hunger strike (s).

                    Yes, I know .. on this and discuss with you this topic is not interesting ..
                    Quote: Consultant
                    And I also really love when questions are answered. Directly and unequivocally, yeah.

                    So you need to understand that discussing something with you laughing Everything is already discussed with the Gray brother, there is no point in repeating laughing
                    1. -5
                      20 December 2018 17: 14
                      Quote: Svarog
                      Style combined with a nickname

                      Stop it. You are too illiterate to write for a literary critic.

                      Quote: Svarog
                      So you need to understand that discussing something with you

                      Do not understand? I will explain, nevertheless, simply: any weakening of the country (and your "nationalization" and the subsequent discord in the country will inevitably lead to it, weakening) greatly increase the danger, including of external aggression.

                      Using the same

                      Quote: Consultant
                      precision weapons, stealth and other other goodies

                      Once again, the question is: are you ready to try all this for yourself? Or pure la la, out of habit?

                      It seems everything is simple and clear request
    3. +17
      20 December 2018 15: 11
      In Russia, gas prices rose due to rising oil prices on world markets.

      Oil was at $ 80, now at $ 55. Mentioning the dependence of gas prices on oil prices in this context - higher cynicism.
      The price of oil is 10-15% of the final cost of gasoline. The rest is excise taxes, duties, taxes. That is, it is the state that takes the main "cream". The situation is the same with tobacco and alcohol, but the prices of cigarettes and vodka at least do not affect other goods. Unlike fuel prices.
    4. -2
      20 December 2018 15: 31
      Look at French Total
    5. 0
      21 December 2018 08: 22
      But does France produce a lot of oil at all?


      Actually enough. Do not forget that France has enough colonies, which, despite formal independence, nevertheless work to the fullest extent to the metropolis.
  2. +18
    20 December 2018 14: 58
    In Russia, gas prices rose due to rising oil prices on world markets.

    Very interesting!))) I will voice the question, probably half of the country. And when prices fell on world markets, did anyone notice a decrease in gas prices in our country ???
    1. +10
      20 December 2018 15: 08
      No one noticed. That the price of oil is rising, that it is falling, here we have stability.
    2. -5
      20 December 2018 15: 10
      Quote: Vasya_Piterskiy
      And when prices fell on world markets, did anyone notice a decrease in gas prices in our country ???

      Well, it was necessary to somehow compensate for lost profits.
    3. +8
      20 December 2018 15: 20
      Quote: Vasya_Piterskiy
      And when prices fell on world markets, did anyone notice a decrease in gas prices in our country ???

      I noticed that we have a "safety cushion" swelling in the pockets of bankers and oligarchs.
  3. +13
    20 December 2018 15: 01
    In Russia, gas prices rose due to rising oil prices on world markets.

    and when the price of oil falls, gasoline rises anyway.
    If you believe Putin, then at the end of the year in Russia, gas should be distributed free of charge
    1. -5
      20 December 2018 17: 21
      When Sechin was in the government, prices could be kept, but liberals overturned his decisions with duties.
      1. +3
        20 December 2018 18: 28
        Quote: Tank jacket
        When Sechin was in government

        Savior of Russia Sechin! Found it!
        1. 0
          20 December 2018 18: 50
          I just said that his decisions kept prices from rising, and who canceled them?
  4. +7
    20 December 2018 15: 11
    "gasoline prices in Russia have increased due to the rise in prices on the world oil market" - hmm, when the price of a barrel of oil on the world market falls, for some reason, for some reason, gasoline prices do not go down
  5. +7
    20 December 2018 15: 21
    I watched a press conference, heard the president’s opinion on all economic issues.
    I will not comment, banned.
    1. 0
      20 December 2018 22: 34
      Quote: prior
      I will not comment, banned.

      I especially liked the answer to the question about the difference in the salaries of top managers of state companies and the salaries of ordinary people, as well as the attitude of state companies to the problems of gasification. Moreover, Putin cited the United States as an example, i.e. the country continues to move according to the model of "wild capitalism".
  6. +6
    20 December 2018 15: 25
    "It is incorrect to assess the actions of the French authorities, they deliberately went to increase the prices of gasoline and diesel fuel. In Russia, gasoline prices increased due to the rise in oil prices on world markets. At the same time, the Russian government is taking all measures to block this growth."

    There is a saying about such people - at least count on his head.
  7. BAI
    +3
    20 December 2018 15: 26
    In Russia, gas prices rose due to rising oil prices on world markets.

    So why didn’t they fall due to lower oil prices on world markets?
    Well, I already see - this is a common opinion.
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  9. 0
    20 December 2018 15: 35
    on VO powerful lobby of minusers "patriots" they are all God's dew))) minuses fall on any critic)))) they will vote for coupons soon))
  10. +4
    20 December 2018 15: 39
    Show at least one region Putin, where gas prices are not that they have fallen, have not risen.
  11. +4
    20 December 2018 15: 39
    Here is a hypocrite. He has completely no conscience left. No comment, otherwise they’ll banned
  12. +1
    20 December 2018 17: 01
    What a shame, two presidents talk about the division of church parishes. Has the Middle Ages come?
  13. +2
    20 December 2018 18: 04
    In France, they "deliberately" raised fuel prices, while in our country, it turns out, "unconsciously." In France, the rise in prices to replenish the budget, in our country to fill the pockets of the oligarchs. In France, the people deliberately donned yellow vests, and the government backed down. Our people are "deliberately" silent, because they know that it is useless to act, no one will "offend" our oligarchs.
  14. -2
    20 December 2018 20: 31
    Quote: pro000007
    Gray brother
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: pro000007
    Svarog is not patriots, but patriots!

    Excuse me, but will you be an Svidomo by the hour?

    Name at least a couple of names or organizations that, according to the arbitrariness of the authorities, as you say with your incredibly creative picture, are called "foreign agents."

    Are you another one of a number of cheap talkers from the Internet? Confirm your words, if your honor and reputation are dear to you and you exist, somewhere you are able to scrape it together, conscience.
    But for some reason it seems to me that you can’t answer anything.

    PS To the pros, as to Paris in reverse with support on all four limbs.
    1. -2
      20 December 2018 20: 40
      Criticism of power is one thing, constructive criticism is useful, even necessary.

      Lying, slander, sucking out fables from a finger - harm to the country. Those who are engaged in similar activities, sooner or later must either understand that they do not bring benefits, but harm, or suffer punishment.

      Or the place of origin of any riffraff that comes from abroad to the forum and tries to harm us should become clear.
    2. 0
      21 December 2018 00: 30
      Quote: Mentat
      Name at least a couple of names or organizations that, according to the arbitrariness of the authorities, as you say with your incredibly creative picture, are called "foreign agents."

      Quote: Mentat
      if you care about your honor, reputation and you have it, somewhere you are able to scrape it together, conscience.

      Well, why did you attack a person? As I see it, the venerable pro 000007 just wanted to tell us with this picture that the biggest "patriots" are not really them. As the saying goes, you know: The thief shouts the loudest of all - "Stop the thief!" And you immediately got excited ... Well, why are you doing that? Nerve cells are not restored.
  15. -2
    20 December 2018 21: 10
    Quote: Fedor Egoist
    Oil was at $ 80, now at $ 55. Mentioning the dependence of gas prices on oil prices in this context is cynicism of the highest standard.
    The price of oil is 10-15% of the final cost of gasoline. The rest is excise taxes, duties, taxes. That is, it is the state that takes the main "cream".

    This is happening all over the world, more precisely in developed countries. In Russia, Japan, Europe, the United States, taxes are about 50% or even higher, sometimes significantly higher.

    However, due to what exactly is the price of fuel rising, did you find out? It can grow not only due to an increase in the amount of taxes, but also an increase (such as compensation) in the profits of sellers, carriers, oil production, and refining. So found out or not? But this is the very capitalism for which they fought and ran. But they got pluses by writing in a jet about cynicism, and you’re fine, a popular person, an important person)
  16. 0
    21 December 2018 10: 53
    Quote: serpent
    Quote: Mentat
    Name at least a couple of names or organizations that, according to the arbitrariness of the authorities, as you say with your incredibly creative picture, are called "foreign agents."

    Quote: Mentat
    if you care about your honor, reputation and you have it, somewhere you are able to scrape it together, conscience.

    Well, why did you attack a person? As I see it, the venerable pro 000007 just wanted to tell us with this picture that the biggest "patriots" are not really them. As the saying goes, you know: The thief shouts the loudest of all - "Stop the thief!" And you immediately got excited ... Well, why are you doing that? Nerve cells are not restored.

    Decided to stay in the role of devil's advocate? He said what he said: all who are for Putin are not patriots (apparently, he’s gotten into the soul), and the rest of the population is declared by the authorities to be foreign agents. If this is not insignificance, let him prove even a couple of names or names of organizations declared by foreign agents indiscriminately.

    I understand that you are from the same clip. But your “professionalism” together with him is so wretched that it’s not even suitable to agitate for Father Frost in kindergarten, not to whitewash “unhappy” foreign agents.
    1. 0
      21 December 2018 12: 14
      Strange you somehow respond to comments through a stump deck. Apparently from a big mind.
      Quote: Mentat
      He said what he said: all who are for Putin are not patriots (apparently he’ve gotten into the soul)

      He said that such patriots as Brilev, Peskov, Zheleznyak, Solovyov and others who teach us to love our country and hate the West are in fact citizens of this West (for example Brilev) and property owners in the West (Peskov, Solovyov) .
      Quote: Mentat
      and the rest of the population declared power by foreign agents.

      In Russia, we have this: posted a picture of corruption in power or something else undesirable to the government - be kind enough to sit down, well, if conditionally. They can easily write to both extremists and foreign agents.
      Quote: Mentat
      But your “professionalism” together with him is so wretched that it’s not even suitable to campaign for Father Frost in kindergarten,

      And how poor is your "professionalism"? Enough to defend the kleptocracy that deceives and steals from you?
  17. 0
    21 December 2018 11: 00
    Quote: serpent
    Quote: Mentat
    Name at least a couple of names or organizations that, according to the arbitrariness of the authorities, as you say with your incredibly creative picture, are called "foreign agents."

    Quote: Mentat
    if you care about your honor, reputation and you have it, somewhere you are able to scrape it together, conscience.

    Well, why did you attack a person? As I see it, the venerable pro 000007 just wanted to tell us with this picture that the biggest "patriots" are not really them. As the saying goes, you know: The thief shouts the loudest of all - "Stop the thief!" And you immediately got excited ... Well, why are you doing that? Nerve cells are not restored.

    I understand that you are from the same clip. But your “professionalism” together with him is so wretched that it’s not even suitable to agitate for Father Frost in kindergarten, not to whitewash “unhappy” foreign agents.
  18. 0
    21 December 2018 14: 13
    Quote: serpent
    Strange you somehow respond to comments through a stump deck. Apparently from a big mind.

    Is that all you “professionals” have been able to degenerate? : D

    Quote: Mentat
    He said what he said: all who are for Putin are not patriots (apparently he’ve gotten into the soul)

    He said that such patriots as Brilev, Peskov, Zheleznyak, Solovyov and others who teach us to love our country and hate the West are in fact citizens of this West (for example Brilev) and property owners in the West (Peskov, Solovyov) .

    What a fellow he is. But the picture is about something else. Essentially: dual citizenship is not prohibited by law in Russia, property abroad is not prohibited. This is not enough to consider someone a scoundrel or a saint. Need coverage of actual activities. What exactly does a person do: is it harmful to the country or good.

    Quote: Mentat
    and the rest of the population declared power by foreign agents.

    In Russia, we have this: posted a picture of corruption in power or something else undesirable to the government - be kind enough to sit down, well, if conditionally. They can easily write to both extremists and foreign agents.

    Give examples. Who was imprisoned for the picture of corruption. Whom have been recorded as extremists or foreign agents. But you are just talking nonsense. To whom will you now tell that you are not spilled from the same tank?)

    Quote: Mentat
    But your “professionalism” together with him is so wretched that it’s not even suitable to campaign for Father Frost in kindergarten,

    And how poor is your "professionalism"? Enough to defend the kleptocracy that deceives and steals from you?

    Give at least one post on this forum where I “advocate kleptocracy”. My reports of sufficient evidence, facts, and rational thinking.
    1. -1
      21 December 2018 14: 50
      Quote: Mentat
      Is that all you “professionals” have been able to degenerate?

      This "professionalism" was given to you. Do you have complexes about this? Who are you, a journalism guru or an expert philologist? Leave this cheap snobbery.
      Quote: Mentat
      Essentially: dual citizenship is not prohibited by law in Russia, property abroad is not prohibited. This is not enough to consider someone a scoundrel or a saint.

      But what does it look from an ethical point of view? A citizen of the West, who bought a house in the West and has a family in the same West, tells the Russians on TV how good it is to live in Russia and how bad it is in Europe. Through the prism of the law - it's okay, but morally it looks at least ridiculous.
      Quote: Mentat
      Give examples. Who was imprisoned for the picture of corruption. Whom have been recorded as extremists or foreign agents.

      Ekaterina Tsvetkova, who condemned corruption and police torture, was sentenced to 1 year of correctional labor.
      Rafis Kashapov was sentenced to 3 years in prison for condemning Kremlin policies toward Ukraine.
      Kirill Barabash, who criticized Putin and proposed a popular referendum “For Responsible Power,” received 4 years in prison, and two of his associates were convicted with him.
      Quote: Mentat
      To whom will you now tell that you are not spilled from the same tank?)

      Let's not make assumptions about each other's birth. I also have, so offhand, a couple of versions of your birth.
      Quote: Mentat
      Please provide at least one post on this forum where I “advocate kleptocracy”

      Well, since you attacked a man for his criticism of fake patriots, then what is this if not a defense of the current government?
  19. 0
    21 December 2018 17: 16
    Quote: serpent
    Quote: Mentat
    Is that all you “professionals” have been able to degenerate?

    This "professionalism" was given to you. Do you have complexes about this? Who are you, a journalism guru or an expert philologist? Leave this cheap snobbery.

    Cheap snobbery? .. A couple of burglars from the casket, identical from the face, one called himself professional00007, the second - a snake. Apparently, very wise and cunning, insidious and insinuating, directly unsurpassed. And you write to someone about cheap snobbery? : D

    Is there really any person involved in foreign propaganda brought here, imagining that he is something of himself?

    Quote: Mentat
    Essentially: dual citizenship is not prohibited by law in Russia, property abroad is not prohibited. This is not enough to consider someone a scoundrel or a saint.

    But what does it look from an ethical point of view? A citizen of the West, who bought a house in the West and has a family in the same West, tells the Russians on TV how good it is to live in Russia and how bad it is in Europe. Through the prism of the law - it's okay, but morally it looks at least ridiculous.

    Are you already in the position of moral teachers of society? Who called you there, how did you deserve it?
    If we talk about the moral canon and authorities: "Judge them by their deeds." On this I suggest you end with clinging wreaths to your bald spot. Or tell the forum why you consider yourself worthy of a teacher’s position.

    Further, please cite the story of how bad in Europe those people (you still can’t go into the real world) who have real estate in the West (what?) And whose families live in the West. Confirm your statements with facts. While you are just pouring an empty verbal husk, unsupported by anything.

    The burden of proof lies with the approver. Do it right away, without reminders, if you want to lead the discussion in a serious way. So far, accordingly, I have not heard anything serious from you.

    Quote: Mentat
    Please provide at least one post on this forum where I “advocate kleptocracy”

    Well, since you attacked a man for his criticism of fake patriots, then what is this if not a defense of the current government?

    This is not a criticism of fake patriots. This is a false propaganda claiming that: 1) anyone who has a rest in the West or has visited him is not a patriot, which is just nonsense; 2) anyone who voted or favors Putin is not a patriot, which is an unproven lie; 3) the government indiscriminately labels the foreign agents on the unfortunate inhabitants of Russia.

    Now let's take it apart.

    Quote: Mentat
    Give examples. Who was imprisoned for the picture of corruption. Whom have been recorded as extremists or foreign agents.

    Ekaterina Tsvetkova, who condemned corruption and police torture, was sentenced to 1 year of correctional labor.

    Are you in yourself? This is a case of teenage booze and brawl, whom she condemned there at 17, what torture? Even her version of what happened is like this: a booze, her own boyfriend, having drunk, started to beat her, they called the police.
    Just the canonical sacrifice of the regime.

    Rafis Kashapov was sentenced to 3 years in prison for condemning Kremlin policies toward Ukraine.

    Rafis Kashapov for many years has been posting on the Internet any abomination that I will not even quote here. Already been conditionally convicted. Information on his case is readily available. Duplicate on the forum his statements I think is incorrect.

    Kirill Barabash, who criticized Putin and proposed a popular referendum “For Responsible Power,” received 4 years in prison, and two of his associates were convicted with him.

    This Cyril Barabash claimed, for example, that the President of Russia must be physically removed, i.e. called for a criminal offense. Video with this statement is easily found by search engines. Naturally, I am not going to post extremist materials here.
    He was not condemned for "criticizing Putin" and the popular referendum.

    Will you continue your list of innocent lambs in the same vein?
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      22 December 2018 00: 11
      Quote: Mentat
      Apparently, very wise and cunning, insidious and insinuating, directly unsurpassed.

      "Mentat" is of course more modest ... A living computer, right? Maybe you even know the answer to "the main question of life, the universe and all that"?
      Quote: Mentat
      Is there really any person involved in foreign propaganda brought here, imagining that he is something of himself?

      Feels like a patriot with a taste of kvass. Since it is against Russian reality, it means a Western agent.
      Quote: Mentat
      Or tell the forum why you consider yourself worthy of a teacher’s position.

      I am not trying to teach someone, but express my personal opinion.
      Quote: Mentat
      Further, please cite the story of how bad in Europe those people (you still can’t go into the real world) who have real estate in the West (what?) And whose families live in the West.

      Yes, Solovyov almost every day talks about Western attacks on Russia. They are trying to impress on all federal channels: the West is bad. RF is good. Do not go children to Europe for a walk.
      Quote: Mentat
      This is not a criticism of fake patriots. This is a false propaganda claiming that: 1) anywho is resting in the West or visiting him is not a patriot, which is just nonsense; 2) any who voted or supported Putin - not a patriot, which is an unproven lie; 3) the government indiscriminately labels the foreign agents on the unfortunate inhabitants of Russia.

      Why did you decide that any? Where did he make it clear that "anyone"? Where do you get such conclusions? You might think that the venerable professional 000007 posted not one picture, but a whole print edition with illustrations, explanations and comments.
      Quote: Mentat
      Will you continue your list of innocent lambs in the same vein?

      Here I goofed. To blame. Really muddy people. Not checking posted.