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Borrow and give a victory - Ukraine’s economists on the IMF and Poroshenko

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In Ukraine, experts sharply criticized the statements of Petro Poroshenko about the fact that the new loan from the IMF is “a big victory for the Ukrainian economy.” One of the toughest critics was the head of the KEU (Committee of Economists of Ukraine) Andrei Novak, who said that the President’s triumphant reports cause at least bewilderment to all those who understand the economy in the least.


Borrow and give a victory - Ukraine’s economists on the IMF and Poroshenko


Andrei Novak in an interview with the publication "Gordon":
Borrowing money and giving it as a victory is evidence of the country's lowest level of economic policy. A tranche does not mean some kind of well-being or economic development - it's just another loan.


Novak says openly that the IMF’s decision to extend the loan is political.

According to the head of the Committee of Economists of Ukraine, the IMF deliberately broke a loan of 3,9 billion into three tranches. The first tranche will go as support Poroshenko - will be allocated to December 25. The second will be transferred in May 2019 of the year - according to the results of the presidential election. The third - in November - after summing up the elections to the Verkhovna Rada. The Ukrainian economist notes that the second and third tranches will be addressed to the “new authorities of Ukraine” - those in which the IMF will ultimately ask for the implementation of the required reforms.

Novak:
New conditions The Fund will put forward a new government.


Recall that among the IMF requirements for Ukraine is to bring energy tariffs for consumers to the European level. And in November, Ukraine has already surpassed this level, acquiring "reverse" gas from Poland, Hungary and Slovakia at a price that has become an absolute record - 339 dollars per thousand cubic meters. The IMF are satisfied.
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  1. polpot
    polpot 19 December 2018 16: 23
    +5
    For Poroshenko, this is a victory, he will gladly share this money with his coder and then they will give back the suckers for 30 years, of course, a victory, this is another enslavement for the citizens of Ukraine, but they don’t get used to it, let them put up such power. .
    1. Machito
      Machito 19 December 2018 16: 32
      +8
      30 years old? You are a hopeless optimist. Ukraine is drowning in debt. Industry and agriculture are degrading. To repay debts, Poroshenko will have to sell all of Ukraine together with citizens, as slaves.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 19 December 2018 16: 45
        +5
        Oh, colleague, however, Ukraine will have nothing to repay a public debt ($ 77 billion) with a GDP of $ 91 billion (despite the fact that GDP is also declining, like shagreen leather).
        But there is still $ 6 billion of debt in the banking sector ...
        So ALL cash promo-assets of the country will not be able to replace the entire amount of dollars.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 19 December 2018 22: 34
          +2
          Quote: hydrox
          Oh, colleague, however, Ukraine will have nothing to repay a public debt ($ 77 billion) with a GDP of $ 91 billion (despite the fact that GDP is also declining, like shagreen leather).
          But there is still $ 6 billion of debt in the banking sector ...
          So ALL cash promo-assets of the country will not be able to replace the entire amount of dollars.

          It means that they will be given away in wallpaper rolls, which the IMF will have to take, as a numismatic rarity. there will be no other values.
    2. credo
      credo 19 December 2018 16: 41
      +4
      Quote: polpot
      For Poroshenko, this is a victory, he will gladly share this money with his coder and then they will give back the suckers for 30 years, of course, a victory, this is another enslavement for the citizens of Ukraine, but they don’t get used to it, let them put up such power. .

      According to some reports, in 2019 Ukraine will have to return $ 12 billion to lenders and something tells me that this IMF loan will not even cross the Ukrainian border, but will safely transfer to the pockets of Ukrainian lenders, but it will be recorded in the balance sheet of Ukraine as received by it.
      Poroshenko’s written joy is addressed primarily to the country's poor electorate in order to encourage them to vote for him, and it looks like they will do it despite the deplorable situation in the country.
    3. irazum
      irazum 19 December 2018 16: 48
      +3
      It seems to me that not everything is so simple, with each of his new utterances or actions, confidence in me is ripening in me that he REALLY truly believes in all this.
    4. 210ox
      210ox 19 December 2018 16: 49
      +5
      I will express my opinion .. To the people, these loans are like a stop signal for a hare. That is, what is not. A sheep will be cut anyway. Kiev damps have power.
    5. taiga2018
      taiga2018 19 December 2018 16: 57
      -1
      Quote: polpot
      give away 30 years will

      Russia will give back, while maintaining the full transit of gas, explaining this with the words "brothers", "the population will suffer, it is not to blame for anything, they are simply intimidated ..."
  2. credo
    credo 19 December 2018 16: 24
    +6
    Imagine that the new president of Ukraine will be a man who declares about IMF loans, as Poroshenko once said that $ 3 billion from Russia was a bribe to Yanukovych, so Ukraine does not intend to return this bribe.
    That would certainly be a victory of common sense over Western bondage, though such a person has not yet been seen on the horizon of Ukrainian planning.
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 19 December 2018 16: 31
      +4
      Quote: credo
      Imagine that the new president of Ukraine will be a man who declares about IMF loans, as Poroshenko once said that $ 3 billion from Russia was a bribe to Yanukovych, so Ukraine does not intend to return this bribe.
      That would certainly be a victory of common sense over Western bondage, though such a person has not yet been seen on the horizon of Ukrainian planning.

      Life-threatening. The IMF is not Russia. Bang right away.
      1. credo
        credo 19 December 2018 16: 51
        -1
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Quote: credo
        Imagine that the new president of Ukraine will be a man who declares about IMF loans, as Poroshenko once said that $ 3 billion from Russia was a bribe to Yanukovych, so Ukraine does not intend to return this bribe.
        That would certainly be a victory of common sense over Western bondage, though such a person has not yet been seen on the horizon of Ukrainian planning.

        Life-threatening. The IMF is not Russia. Bang right away.

        The one who does not risk does not drink champagne.
        If we assume that such a person was found and expressed his opinion regarding the last five years of Ukraine’s life, then it doesn’t cost him anything to turn Ukraine face Russia, the CIS and the EAEU and begin to restore the broken ties, and at the same time the country. Indeed, in fact, Ukraine does not bind anything to the EU and the United States except loans, and as you know, they can be returned in installments and with the mind, without fear for your life and the life of your country.
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 19 December 2018 16: 52
          +1
          Quote: credo
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          Quote: credo
          Imagine that the new president of Ukraine will be a man who declares about IMF loans, as Poroshenko once said that $ 3 billion from Russia was a bribe to Yanukovych, so Ukraine does not intend to return this bribe.
          That would certainly be a victory of common sense over Western bondage, though such a person has not yet been seen on the horizon of Ukrainian planning.

          Life-threatening. The IMF is not Russia. Bang right away.

          The one who does not risk does not drink champagne.
          If we assume that such a person was found and expressed his opinion regarding the last five years of Ukraine’s life, then it doesn’t cost him anything to turn Ukraine face Russia, the CIS and the EAEU and begin to restore the broken ties, and at the same time the country. Indeed, in fact, Ukraine does not bind anything to the EU and the United States except loans, and as you know, they can be returned in installments and with the mind, without fear for your life and the life of your country.

          Their problems...
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 19 December 2018 20: 18
      +1
      Quote: credo
      credo

      hi
      An inner voice tells you that it will be so. The ruin will say: "to whom we owe, we forgive everyone," they will squeeze out an orphan's tear, accuse the intrigues of nasty Russia of their insolvency, and the "zabugorische" will swallow it with a grunt. stop
  3. Evdokim
    Evdokim 19 December 2018 16: 25
    +2
    In Ukraine, experts sharply criticized Petro Poroshenko’s statements that the new IMF loan is "a big victory for the Ukrainian economy."

    Well, yes, to get into a debt hole, and shout out from it that this is a fucking victory - a complete blacher even without a birch. hi
    1. Partorg
      Partorg 19 December 2018 18: 08
      +4
      The most annoying thing is that the junta picks up these debts, plunders and runs away .. But we have to pay, alas, and restore the economy, at least to a minimum ..
      1. Fayter
        Fayter 19 December 2018 21: 47
        0
        First to us, and then to you, if only Vilkul passes.
  4. kdakda
    kdakda 19 December 2018 16: 27
    +2
    Such a big victory that the further the worse.
  5. Mr Credo
    Mr Credo 19 December 2018 16: 38
    +2
    Recall that among the IMF requirements for Ukraine is bringing energy tariffs for consumers to the European level. ### And what! Fine! Ukraine CE Europe! Dreams Come True!
  6. Brturin
    Brturin 19 December 2018 16: 46
    0
    Quote: polpot
    and then suckers will give back 30 years

    The article lacks one line - the tranche is allocated for 14 months, then start giving ... The goal is to pass the elections, and then ...
  7. Kerensky
    Kerensky 19 December 2018 17: 01
    +6
    Anecdote:
    Russian comes to the Jew.
    - Abram! Borrow me a ruble next door until spring.
    - Vania! Yes, I would be glad, but we have such a nature, squabbling ..... In general, we need to leave something as a security and agree on interest, well, my fellow tribesmen will not understand me!
    - Yes, I have only an ax behind my belt, he feeds me, I cut at home ...
    - Okay, give the ax as a guarantee. Well, in the spring you will give two rubles.
    - What to do! Take it away!
    - Wan! I’ll go to meet you, but don’t tell anyone. Will it be hard for you to give two rubles at once in the spring? Let me give you the ruble now, and the rest in the spring. I agree? Well go!
    Vanya went out into the street, scratched his head: "There was no money, there is no ax, there is no ax, he also owes a ruble!"
    Sound familiar?
    1. Partorg
      Partorg 20 December 2018 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: Kerensky
      Sound familiar?

      The global economy, pegged to the dollar ..
  8. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 19 December 2018 17: 24
    -5
    News from the series "here's the joy, the neighbor's cow is sick"
  9. Partorg
    Partorg 19 December 2018 18: 05
    +3
    a new loan from the IMF - "a big victory for the Ukrainian economy."

    This is a loan for the blood of the Slavs and the payment of murderers .. I really guys!
    Zavarushka is planned, it’s not in vain that Valtsman has become so inspired recently .. Something the devils were planning again. negative
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 20 December 2018 04: 56
      +1
      Of course I was "winged"!
      He has a plane in Boryspil warms up day and night, just that - and look for winds in the field ... ;-))
      1. Partorg
        Partorg 20 December 2018 17: 53
        +2
        Quote: hydrox
        Of course I was "winged"!
        He has a plane in Boryspil warms up day and night, just that - and look for winds in the field ... ;-))

        Well, the guys are also on duty with MANPADS .. hi This is a last resort ..
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 20 December 2018 19: 05
          0
          Such a good wish :: "Forgive and goodbye!" ;-))
          Z.Y. Somewhere we crossed paths ...
  10. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 19 December 2018 18: 28
    +1
    Drive the country into debt and calmly dump on a pack of stolen money from the people, now up to the tenth tribe, Ukrainians will pay the IMF debt
  11. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 19 December 2018 19: 32
    +1
    Ukrainians, give gas for 1000 bucks! Walk the flaw farmers! :-)
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 December 2018 23: 31
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Ukrainians, give gas for 1000 bucks! Walk the flaw farmers! :-)

      gas imports are declining. (about various reasons and the price is one of them)
      while 10 billion (out of 40 in the past) have to buy. 13-17 of her ..
      Another thing is that Naftogaz sells Ukrainian gas as European with transit from a German hub! They got out of debt long ago and bring profit to shareholders ....
  12. Likant
    Likant 19 December 2018 19: 47
    +1
    This is just a victory: to snatch the dough in the last months of his appointment as America, and dump with it, leaving the galloping suckers with several billion more debt! Handsome Piedros! 80 billion of public debt (this with interest) - get "Square"! It's a sin not to leave such a ram OFF! And as a debt compensation, refugees from Asia will be transferred to "qiu Europe" and everyone will be happy! .. :)
  13. Likant
    Likant 19 December 2018 20: 15
    0
    Quote: Partyorg
    The most annoying thing is that the junta picks up these debts, plunders and runs away .. But we have to pay, alas, and restore the economy, at least to a minimum ..

    Nobody will restore anything! "Uncles" will come from behind the hill, take everything for the debts, and with the conditions created, the Ukrainians themselves will die out or scatter! And God forbid to Russia! It is necessary to restore the economy from something, and when everything is destroyed and there is nothing, it takes a hundred years to restore! ...
  14. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 20 December 2018 00: 48
    0
    oh yes, I’m super, parasha!
  15. mashinist
    mashinist 20 December 2018 02: 12
    +1
    That's all you care about us, and you saw a video about the Christmas tree where grandfather complains that he gives 5 thousand rubles for a communal apartment, so we have a communal apartment in terms of no more than yours! I counted as a specialist how much I paid with my mother and with my wife and what tariffs a friend from Perm gave me. So don’t need la la you live in the same swamp
  16. LeonidL
    LeonidL 20 December 2018 02: 57
    0
    Absurdistan rejoices over the "tranche" received on loan! The main thing is to name the word beautifully ... debt ... roughly, you need to repay the debt. Credit ... sounds better, but still many already understand that the same debt, but in installments and at a high percentage ... But the "tranche" word is all European, so mysterious, attractive for roguel ... kind of like a New Year's gift from a kind old uncle from Canada ...
  17. Alexander not great
    Alexander not great 20 December 2018 17: 30
    0
    everything is right, but agriculture is not degrading, it’s just betting on grains, well, everyone is waiting for the moratorium on the sale of agricultural land to be lifted, if development is lifted it will go.
  18. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 20 December 2018 19: 22
    0
    ........ became an absolute record - 339 dollars per thousand cubic meters. The IMF is satisfied .....

    I remember the late O. Buzin, the kingdom of heaven to him, wrote in 2014 that .... we (Ukraine) are ready to buy Russian gas for $ 50, well, for a maximum of $ 100 .....
    So it came true, jumped, and how they screamed when they blocked the gas, which they had free then.