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Ukraine is going to fork over US fighters

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The chairman of the board of the Ukrainian Military Center, Taras Chmut, on December 8 on the 5 channel, said that Ukraine was developing a concept for developing the air force in the medium term, which provides for the purchase of American fighter aircraft.




The authors of the Concept offer to purchase either new or used US fighter jets. Considering the recently implemented Concept of the development of naval forces, as a result of which Ukraine purchased from the USA two thirty-year decommissioned patrol boats, most likely it will be the same old aircraft.

Moreover, most recently, in September of this year, Prime Minister of Ukraine Volodymyr Groysman urged the country's population in the need for IMF loans to pay off old debts, and therefore the gas tariffs for the population had to be raised by almost a quarter. According to the chairman of the Cabinet, this decision avoided a default in the country. Thus, it is not clear where the funds will be allocated for the purchase of expensive American aircraft, if without new loans Ukraine is on the verge of default.

At the moment, the Ukrainian Air Force consists mainly of Soviet technology, which implies the preparation of flight and technical personnel for these aircraft. In the case of switching to American aircraft, Ukraine will have to fork out at least for retraining of pilots and technicians. Taking into account the peculiarities of the American arms business, the United States will impose repair and maintenance along with the aircraft, which will make the already expensive toys even more expensive.

At the same time, in the Ukrainian media, crowds of military experts began to argue that the entire existing fleet of Ukraine’s air force would have to be replaced soon, as the planes expired. For whatever reason, the planned replacement of obsolete technology during the independence of Ukraine was not made, experts do not tell. Nevertheless, most of them declare that in the conditions of confrontation with Russia, Ukraine needs to ensure the replenishment of its fleet.

According to the latest data, for the year the Russian industry supplies the Russian Federation with about 100 combat aircraft. This figure is comparable to the size of the entire Ukrainian fleet of military air forces. Thus, the loud statements of Petro Poroshenko “about deterring Russian aggression” only against the background of this fact alone indicate the absurdity of his statements.

Obviously, if the proposed concept is implemented, the main beneficiary will be the United States in the first place. First, Washington will sell the old stuff that has run out or almost run out of life. Secondly, it will provide itself with a stable income due to constant repair and maintenance of old aircraft. Third, earn on retraining flight personnel. Fourth, it will present all of this as an aid to a country “fighting the aggressor”.

The top Ukrainian officials, given the monstrous corruption in the country, will also benefit. Only the budget and the country's defense will suffer. But who cares? Another "Zrada" in the "Peremya" skin.
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  1. Conductor
    Conductor 15 December 2018 05: 28
    +6
    Feed them starfighters) ___)))))) And what can a person with the name Chmut understand in aviation !!!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 December 2018 05: 34
      +5
      Quote: Conductor
      Ukraine is going to fork over US fighters
      Feed them starfighters)
      no, I think you need to take new F-35s, a hundred, for cash yes
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 15 December 2018 05: 41
        -1
        You can pay off with fat and vodka))))
        1. Russia
          Russia 15 December 2018 06: 27
          +4
          Send a train of girls to some avenue.
        2. Sayan
          Sayan 15 December 2018 07: 32
          -1
          Quote: Conductor
          You can pay off with fat and vodka))))

          Yes, they and their fat is almost gone - the Polish eat ... homeopathic doses, because it is expensive.
        3. Victor Sedashov
          Victor Sedashov 15 December 2018 09: 15
          -1
          So fat is not left, they themselves are buying Polish.
        4. Vladimir73
          Vladimir73 15 December 2018 15: 04
          0
          You can pay off with fat and vodka))))

          will not work, they don’t eat fat, money is tokma)))))
      2. Frieda
        Frieda 15 December 2018 05: 45
        +2
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Conductor
        Ukraine is going to fork over US fighters
        Feed them starfighters)
        no, I think you need to take new F-35s, a hundred, for cash yes

        Where did the beggars get pennies? Or will they pay with vodka and pig manure? A couple of years ago, the Canadians seemed to be going to give them "Hornets", but the Sumerians refused, they say they couldn't afford the service, but now, it means they decided to "buy". I wonder what Trump put down on a powder of eggs, that he had the money? laughing laughing laughing
        1. Vladimir73
          Vladimir73 15 December 2018 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: Rededi
          I wonder what Trump powdered eggs with, what did he have the money from?

          Duc said they’ll take everything away, and so legally a part)))))) (THIS SAID TO ME ON THE SECRET)
      3. Hypersound
        Hypersound 15 December 2018 14: 58
        +1
        The entire annual budget of kaklov will go to one F-35, and Ukrainian daughters, priestesses of love, will also have to add: D
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 December 2018 05: 42
      +2
      Yes, the surname is worthy of an expert.
    3. Sayan
      Sayan 15 December 2018 07: 34
      +2
      Eeee, aerocobra without a motor will be sold to them, after giving credit for its purchase fellow
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 15 December 2018 12: 15
        0
        Shas there aerial cobra, they will sell the Wright brothers plane under the guise of a drone creeped)))
      2. dauria
        dauria 16 December 2018 20: 05
        -1
        an aerocobra without a motor will be sold to them,


        Oh well. We laugh. Meanwhile, a piece of Russian land is drifting away slowly. They'll give you planes, don't worry. And most importantly, they will create a "retraining" base. With American staff. And later, American guards. And the lease will eventually be signed. And figs who will expel. Vaughn Erdogan is so formidable, but Incirlik has not gone anywhere.
    4. StudentVK
      StudentVK 15 December 2018 07: 35
      +5
      Recently I looked at the list of what went after the collapse of Ukraine and the jaw literally drooped. The most combat-ready military districts with them remained with all the equipment. And the fleet there was then Mama Do not Cry. Squeezed a whisker.
    5. Jerk
      Jerk 15 December 2018 09: 33
      +2
      Such a translation of the word "chmut" is actually "swindler" wink
    6. major147
      major147 16 December 2018 18: 18
      0
      Quote: Conductor
      Feed them starfighters) ___)))))) And what can a person with the name Chmut understand in aviation !!!

      I am begging you! Where is Ukraine and where will "fork out" !?
    7. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 17 December 2018 08: 02
      0
      And I like the name - the military center .. lol what is this
  2. Donald72
    Donald72 15 December 2018 05: 40
    +5
    Just proud of my neighbor. The strongest economy. Do not even take a steam bath. In the dryers, the tanks are empty, why refuel, buy new ones. And then our modernization, etc.
    1. StudentVK
      StudentVK 15 December 2018 07: 39
      +3
      Well, maybe) They think dosihpor that "u is on" and if you are opposed to "Russian aggression" then everything and absolutely everything should be given to you for that. Let begin to take off trousers and prepare to defend)))))
  3. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 December 2018 05: 41
    +2
    The top of Ukrainian officials, given the monstrous corruption in the country, will also benefit.


    Ukraine does not need planes at all, but playful little arms will warm many.
  4. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 15 December 2018 05: 41
    +4
    I’m no longer surprised at anything ... Deputies are a reflection of the people. It remains only to recognize the pan state symbols of Ukraine.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 15 December 2018 06: 53
      +3
      National headdress.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 15 December 2018 05: 43
    +1
    The most competent option, the spare parts will not break off, the general transition to the NATO standard implies this as well. In the future, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be armed with a large number of decommissioned /// but summer-ready ones, there is such a regulation in the air force, usually cheer for patriotic comments for the year of manufacture, and what is the schedule for the airplane --- not ... we weren’t told about this))))
  6. Comrade
    Comrade 15 December 2018 05: 45
    -1
    Given the recently implemented Naval Development Concept, as a result of which Ukraine purchased two thirty-year-old decommissioned patrol boats from the United States, most likely they will be the same old aircraft.

    Like a pair of "Phantoms".
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 15 December 2018 05: 57
      +1
      sturgeon, then trim it. It’s on the foreign market there, it can cost as much as a kit, but according to domestic prices, and in the mutual assistance program, just the link fits into this budget, the company /// Artyom /// Kohl they know how to solder rockets for if they are replaceable, then they will be able to replace the interface in the cockpit. In the Ukrainian versions, they could do it, in addition to restoring the resource, what the Ukrainian masters did ... right, now in the NATO protocol, Ukrainian Su transmit a radio card.
  7. Horst78
    Horst78 15 December 2018 05: 50
    0
    For the year, Russian industry supplies the Russian Federation videoconferencing about 100 warplanes. This figure is comparable to the size of the entire Ukrainian air force fleet.
    Comparison of numbers with the state of technical means, training of flight and service personnel are different things.
  8. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 15 December 2018 06: 03
    0
    The author himself points out the lack of an alternative, but concludes that the purchase of used aircraft from the United States
    Only the budget and defense capabilities of the country will suffer.

    There is one option when the budget does not suffer, this is a complete rejection of the Air Force.
    What options do Ukrainians have?
  9. bald
    bald 15 December 2018 07: 02
    -1
    They will pay "in kind" - their territory.
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 15 December 2018 15: 11
      0
      Quote: bald
      They will pay "in kind" - their territory.

      will not! They tried the Balts - it didn’t work. Earth for bucks does not work, the Yankees are used to buying only for beads and mirrors hi
      1. bald
        bald 15 December 2018 17: 34
        -1
        And as a territory under a radioactive trash, but just a base. What the owner will say, then the current government will execute. The states need a conflict in the region, hence there will be supplies, subsidies, etc., but the schedules will remain and you still have to pay for them, no matter when.
        1. Vladimir73
          Vladimir73 16 December 2018 01: 58
          +1
          maybe in the future they will be able to pay off territory, but who will give ...
          1. bald
            bald 16 December 2018 05: 10
            0
            We certainly will not give it, but so far we do not own the situation.
  10. bandabas
    bandabas 15 December 2018 07: 08
    +1
    Well, it turns out that our brothers have money. They can not be hi
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 December 2018 07: 48
    0
    Why be surprised. Tomorrow they will put forward the idea of ​​acquiring an aircraft carrier in order to protect their interests in the Sea of ​​Azov and repel Russian "aggression." Of course, they have a huge hotel, but the possibilities do not allow it. Maybe get better brains?
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 15 December 2018 15: 14
      0
      Interesting idea! If they build an aircraft carrier immediately in the Sea of ​​Azov .... I think many will be reset to see this show! And we are building only prepaid !!!!
  12. BAI
    BAI 15 December 2018 09: 25
    0
    Let the F-117 buy. Faster to tear.
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 December 2018 09: 47
    +1
    Let them take a couple of new F-35s, let them fly along the border for the time being, for the time being. And we benefit and banderlog joy. Well, let the rest of the Sumerians paw, all the money will go to purchase and maintenance.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 15 December 2018 09: 52
    0
    Empty, there’s nothing to talk about.
    It is dangerous if the striped bases begin to be built at home .... but this is dill Wishlist, striped until it is .....
  15. Antares
    Antares 15 December 2018 11: 47
    +3
    read the materials. Main thought. Need to change the fleet. Soviet until 2025. New F 16 take expensive (there is an example of Slovakia), take second-hand (Croatia example) is cheaper, but the resource is small. The bottom line is still not an option
    The budget version of Grippen on lease (cheap to operate) with alterations to fit your needs.
    Even more budget
    Hongdu L-15 Falcon manufactured by the Chinese company Hongdu Aviation Industry Corporation. A big plus of such machines is that they are powered by AI-222K-25F domestically produced engines.
    Another interesting option may be the licensed assembly of the T-50 Golden Eagle light fighter developed by the South Korean company KAI (originally Samsung Aerospace). Of course, this machine is far from the capabilities of the same MiG-29, however, the Air Force of Ukraine after 2014 has completely different tasks. As the war in the Donbass showed, we lack exactly light aircraft - the Su-24 and Su-27 with their strategic objectives and very expensive operation turned out to be redundant.
    In general, on a budget and legs ... for now these are all words.
    1. Hypersound
      Hypersound 15 December 2018 15: 07
      +1
      Yes, no Ukraine will no longer be in its current borders by the end of 2021. My advice to you is to plan the budget of Galicia for 2022. Themselves to blame
  16. Hypersound
    Hypersound 15 December 2018 14: 55
    +1
    Kaklov have no money for new underpants, and they are expensive Pndos planes were going to buy ahaha
  17. Kibl
    Kibl 15 December 2018 19: 07
    0
    If they are going to buy old American trash, then I am afraid what will happen to him after he passes through the hands of the pot!
  18. Alexander not great
    Alexander not great 15 December 2018 21: 51
    0
    Well, what's the solution? Ukraine cannot build its own, Russia will not sell)) that is, you need to take second-hand or from Eastern Europe the Soviet rarity or buy second-hand in other countries ... it’s quite logical, but expensive) I would buy Chinese but they are not suitable guys for Ukraine, also in terms of position in the Crimea.
  19. Antares
    Antares 15 December 2018 23: 50
    +1
    --build their Ukraine can not, Russia will not sell))
    Sounded if by ourselves - more than 25 billion dollars .. Very expensive for Ukraine
    --- I would buy Chinese but they are guys not suitable for Ukraine, also in terms of position in the Crimea.
    Well, their statements are well known.
    For example
    The Head of the People’s Republic of China Xi Jinping stressed that China supports the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine (2016)
    China agrees with the United States that the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine must be respected in its dispute with Russia. This was reported on Wednesday by the White House press service after a conversation between representatives of the top leadership of the two countries. (2014 just)
    After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, official Beijing stated that it "always adheres to the principle of respect for state sovereignty and territorial integrity" and called on the parties "on the basis of mutual respect and justice" to resolve this issue.
    The Chinese, as usual, in cases where both yours and ours .. Or at worst pretend that they don’t understand Russian, don't understand yours (as I saw in the Habitat about the Chinese, they first scratch it in Russian, and then the question- where does this chemistry come from and whether it is harmful, I don’t immediately understand Russian)
    1. Altona
      Altona 16 December 2018 18: 18
      +1
      Quote: Antares
      The Chinese, as usual, in cases where both your and ours ..

      ----------------------
      The Chinese are only for themselves and not for anyone else. China is a chauvinistic dictatorship with a communist sign.
  20. Altona
    Altona 16 December 2018 18: 16
    -1
    F-14 Tomcat are probably going to buy, because almost for nothing they are unlikely to give anything. Although no, these will also not be in vain, there was Tom Cruise's seat in Top Gun. laughing
  21. NF68
    NF68 16 December 2018 18: 24
    -1
    They will buy what the Americans wrote off or not even spend money on recycling.
  22. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 16 December 2018 19: 51
    +2
    Obviously, if the proposed concept is implemented, the main beneficiary will be the United States in the first place. First, Washington will sell the old stuff that has run out or almost run out of life. Secondly, it will provide itself with a stable income due to constant repair and maintenance of old aircraft. Third, earn on retraining flight personnel. Fourth, it will present all of this as an aid to a country “fighting the aggressor”.

    Let the United States "roll up its lip", the Canadians have already offered a second-hand F-18 in Ukraine, the Ukrainians refused precisely for the above reasons ...
    At the same time, in the Ukrainian media, crowds of military experts began to argue that the entire existing Ukrainian Air Force fleet would have to be replaced in the near future, as aircraft end of life.

    Some NATO countries are armed and have older equipment and they are not in a hurry to switch to European / American, everyone knows how to count money ....
  23. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 17 December 2018 12: 36
    0
    Most likely Ukrainians will buy aircraft in the countries of the former OVD as armored vehicles or the sky of Ukraine will be patrolled by the Nptovtsy on the example of the Baltic countries, but this is a distant prospect
  24. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 19 December 2018 20: 46
    0
    Americans finally handsome. Sell ​​used tinted trash for good money. Not only will Ukraine get hooked on the needle of its military-industrial complex, but it will also raise money normally. This is how it is necessary to conduct business in military supplies, and not to ship fighters for palm oil and your own loans. Valuable and prudent star-striped hucksters teach a good lesson. I remember the phrase spoken by one of the brigadier generals about the war in Africa. You are Russian fools. Trying to help the population. Hospital roads, etc. All this is blast. Americans buy the top and she milks the country for the sake of the sponsor for a long time and efficiently. So with Poroshenko. They gave 10 million dollars, and they will sanded hundreds.
  25. RoTTor
    RoTTor 20 December 2018 17: 20
    0
    "chmut" - the speaking nickname of the "military" business, just obscene.

    There is no medium-term prospect for a malignant artificial neoplasm — the fascist, impoverished and envious country of 404, infuriated with aggressive Russophobia, into which Ukraine has been turned into a few years ago, cannot and cannot be.
  26. Alexander X
    Alexander X 20 December 2018 21: 59
    0
    First, a law on mortgaging land for loans will be passed. Then they will take a loan under the ground, then they will buy sludge that has exhausted its resource. Then they will take a second loan underground and buy spare parts / hire staff for the service. At the same time, percent ... dtsat will stick to the hands of the ukrochinovniki .... Then Petro will either crash or run away. A new prez will come. He will say: "Well, if we have to, then we will pay off" ... And the Ukrop land will become mattress ... And the Ukrainians will be farm laborers on it ... This is the scenario seen ...
  27. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 22 December 2018 18: 37
    0
    Only Ukraine agreed to lease its territory (somewhere in the northern Black Sea region, closer to the Crimea) in exchange for an aircraft crew to rent out its territory as a military base for white masters. And taking into account the latest statements about withdrawing from the Budapest Memorandum, then with the possibility of deploying "peacekeeping" nuclear weapons on this base in order to "contain the barbarian hordes from the east."
  28. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 22 December 2018 23: 00
    0
    But what kind of fighter jets to Ukraine ?! There, old F-16s sell for $ 40 million apiece, new ones for 70 million, one used F-16 squadron costs $ 0,5 billion, and it also needs engines and weapons systems, and missiles in the USA are expensive.

    Ukraine, as a country that owns military aviation, has ended; in 5 years, air defense in Ukraine will end.

    Without an alliance with Russia, Ukraine is doomed to wither.