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Paratrooper of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the SS Division Chevron SS: I thought it was a pirate flag

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The command of the airborne assault troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine after a few days after the appearance on the page of President Poroshenko of a photo with a paratrooper, on the form of which was Nazi symbols, decided to submit an “explanation”. It was clear for a long time how it is possible to explain the use of symbols of the division “Dead Head” by the Ukrainian soldier of the United Military School in general.


Paratrooper of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the SS Division Chevron SS: I thought it was a pirate flag


As a result, everything is presented in the form of an explanation of the paratrooper himself, who allegedly "did not know" what he was using on his uniform.

From the statement of the Ukrainian soldier:
Dear compatriots and battle brothers! I want to apologize for my use of a chevron, similar to those used by the Nazi units. I want to emphasize that I used it out of ignorance, thinking that this is a pirate flag, one of the varieties. I admit my mistake and am ready to bear responsibility for it.


In the command of DSB, this was presented as an exhaustive explanation of the incident. But now it turns out that modern Ukrainian paratrooper is free to use any symbolism, turning military uniforms into a non-standard set of insignia and stripes. Moreover, for a modern Ukrainian paratrooper, the use of the pirate flag, as he himself claims, does not look unacceptable. He identifies himself not with the Nazis, so with the pirates ... Well, an entertaining fact that tells a lot about those whom the Ukrainian authorities send to fight against their own compatriots in the Donbass after receiving instructions from American and Canadian officers.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 December 2018 06: 26
    +23
    Yeah, yeah ... I’m just not literate, I don’t know how to use the Internet ... And what I hang up on the form - when I bought it - I didn’t even ask ... Thu ... She grows junk!
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 14 December 2018 06: 31
      +13
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It's getting numb!

      Given that Ukraine is Europe, in the light of European values, it’s right to say that it’s a child!
      1. ltc35
        ltc35 14 December 2018 06: 57
        +9
        Most likely, the concept of Discipline is very vague in Ukrainian DShVs, since they can hang any kind of inconsistency on the form. It was also necessary to colorize the faces and put on a demobilization uniform ...
        1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 14 December 2018 08: 00
          +22
          Farmers like to mow under the Aryans. The grandfather of this farmer maximum in Galicia, the local population was a nightmare. They are before all Totenkopfs, Das Reichs and Vikings as before Donetsk cancer.
          1. figwam
            figwam 14 December 2018 09: 38
            +20
            I want to emphasize that I used it out of ignorance, thinking it was a pirate flag

            For what kind of idiots do you need to keep people to write this in your defense !? And next time you can write that this is a sign from the electrical substation warning of high voltage.
            1. Romka47
              Romka47 14 December 2018 12: 27
              +5
              Yes, you are quiet !!! delete urgent comment until they steal your idea !!! This is what you have come up with a noble excuse for them !, thank God that their brains are an order of magnitude smaller than yours))
              1. figwam
                figwam 14 December 2018 13: 46
                +2
                Quote: Romka47
                This is what you thought up a noble excuse to them!

                I'm sorry, I repent ...
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Marmuza
          Marmuza 14 December 2018 19: 18
          +1
          For the sake of interest, google photos of the FSB officers, which show additional stripes and chevrons with Slavic and Scandinavian runes. And then write for discipline.
      2. Mamuka Petrovich
        Mamuka Petrovich 14 December 2018 08: 13
        +5
        Maidan Jack Sparrow! fool
        1. Dirty Harry
          Dirty Harry 14 December 2018 13: 58
          +1
          Quote: Mamuka Petrovich
          Maidan Jack Sparrow! fool

          Captain Jack Sparrow!!!
    2. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 14 December 2018 06: 33
      +7
      Eugene is a bastard simple onzherup, still unfortunately alive ..
      1. 210ox
        210ox 14 December 2018 08: 27
        +4
        Everything is ahead .. I hope.
    3. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 14 December 2018 08: 17
      +9
      It is no longer a secret for anyone that in Dill there are units that share the ideology of the "SS" and are not so shy about it, but on the contrary are proud of it. But that's why the United States and their henchmen are trying not to notice this, in their opinion, even if they believe in the devil and wear SS chevrons, the main thing is that this country is opposed to Russia. There is nothing surprising because these countries have always and in every possible way patronized Nazism. And Ukraine is sinking deeper into chaos and no one cares about that.
      1. Yu-81
        Yu-81 14 December 2018 08: 39
        +7
        Only for some reason, the United States and its henchmen try not to notice this, in their opinion, even if they believe in the devil and wear SS chevrons, the main thing is that this country be opposed to Russia.

        Fascism is an aggressive form of capitalism, which is why the United States, given its boisterous activities on the planet, is itself an example of this very fascism. Why should they somehow react negatively to the ukronazists who they have fed.
        1. shark
          shark 14 December 2018 09: 51
          +3
          I absolutely agree with you. The USA is a typically fascist state. As they say, find 10 differences))) About the exceptional nation, we have already heard and are hearing more and more often. Most likely, this thesis is being pulled under the national idea. And this is not the germ of fascism, it is fascism in its purest form. And it will end the same way. In the sense of a great war. For fascists simply cannot afford not to fight. And the traditional enemy is us.
          1. garrett
            garrett 14 December 2018 11: 24
            -3
            The last sentence is true .... everything else is fantasy in your lush little head)))
    4. Genych
      Genych 14 December 2018 10: 47
      +4
      Something I did not eat, in ukrovsk who who wants to hang on a formak? That's for sure walk the field. wink
    5. Kiwik
      Kiwik 14 December 2018 11: 24
      +1
      He is an eater.
    6. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 15 December 2018 15: 29
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter

      Yeah, yeah ... I'm just not literate, I can not use the Internet ..

      Well, judging by the text:
      and ready to bear responsibility for this
      really not literate ...
  2. igorka357
    igorka357 14 December 2018 06: 29
    +3
    Damn, this is not even funny .. if comrades in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine think that people generally believe in it, then everything is sad .. from the word at all!
    1. demo
      demo 14 December 2018 07: 53
      +3
      Do they believe in the nonsense that they carry?
      So, they believe that the rest should believe.
      1. Berber
        Berber 14 December 2018 08: 59
        +2
        I wonder what's in the head of this microfascist? Material for the study of psychotherapy, if not just - jelly. Probably.
  3. vagrant
    vagrant 14 December 2018 06: 30
    +3
    Well, yes, the preparatory group of the kindergarten. From a smear of the year. For the EU prokanet.
  4. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 14 December 2018 06: 30
    +1
    nonsense — when I hope they shoot him, let him think if he thinks he’s still alive, maybe he’ll give a self-deception ...
  5. Kerensky
    Kerensky 14 December 2018 06: 33
    +1
    "And my grandfather was an electrician during the war.
    - How do you know?
    - And he has two zippers on his helmet! "
    This is if the Nazis used runes, then now I should throw out Futhark ?!
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 14 December 2018 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: Kerensky
      This is if the Nazis used runes, then now I should throw out Futhark ?!

      And why do you need Futharka runes for personal use? nothing good can be expected from mystical practices ...
  6. Conductor
    Conductor 14 December 2018 06: 35
    -2
    It really is very similar to a chevron of a dead head division, but here are the SS runes. In terms of the fact that on the chevron of the 3rd division of the Dead Head, exactly such an image was without runes. And = And such dead heads were worn by both the units of Austria, Hungary and Prussia, and England and Russia, and the Kornilov regiment.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 14 December 2018 06: 46
      +8
      such dead heads were worn by both the Austro-Hungarian and Prussian and English-Russian forces and the Kornilov regiment.


      Such - did not wear. This is not just a skull with bones, but a heraldic shield, the official emblem of the division. The rune was not on it, as on the other emblems of the SS units. I will not give a picture, if there is a desire - follow the link: http://uniforma-army.ru/germany_divizii_ss_totenkopf.php
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 14 December 2018 07: 10
        -1
        Yes, thank you, I'm not trying to justify it, but you yourself say - this is an emblem, a heraldry. Maybe in Nuremberg they tried for heraldry? They judged the SS as an organization, not for symbols.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 14 December 2018 09: 21
          +3
          Do not you understand?
          An organization, any - is generally all that relates to it. Especially heraldry, flags and more.
          I hooked the emblem of the organization, waved the flag - you share its ideology and goals.
          This is their meaning. One of.
          1. Conductor
            Conductor 14 December 2018 10: 17
            -1
            Films about pirates to ban.
      2. Kerensky
        Kerensky 14 December 2018 08: 00
        -3
        There was no rune on it, as on the other emblems of the SS units.

        Yuri. Take your time.
        I'll throw some more brushwood to you. Do you know who was closest to the SS movement? Cossacks. Do you find common signs yourself?
        1. Darony Grebenkov
          Darony Grebenkov 14 December 2018 09: 34
          +5
          Quote: Kerensky
          I'll throw some more brushwood to you. Do you know who was closest to the SS movement? Cossacks. Do you find common signs yourself?

          My dear, what kind of Cossacks do you mean? Those in the service of the Wehrmacht were? But it seems to me that you are trying to drag Baklanovtsev ...
          1. Kerensky
            Kerensky 14 December 2018 09: 37
            -2
            What kind of Cossacks do you mean? Those in the service of the Wehrmacht were?

            Far dear! Weren't the Cossacks determined by territorial character, had their ranks and insignia?
            1. Darony Grebenkov
              Darony Grebenkov 14 December 2018 09: 44
              +2
              Quote: Kerensky
              Weren't the Cossacks determined by territorial character, had their ranks and insignia?

              If you compare such similarities, I won’t argue here, but in the main they don’t agree - in ideology. Do not just equate by appearance.
              1. Kerensky
                Kerensky 14 December 2018 10: 05
                -1
                Do not just equate by appearance.

                A little more brushwood. And the principle of voluntariness and purity of the race?
                So that a good Cossack, but married to buckwheat? !!!
                1. Darony Grebenkov
                  Darony Grebenkov 14 December 2018 10: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Kerensky
                  A little more brushwood. And the principle of voluntariness and purity of the race?
                  So that a good Cossack, but married to buckwheat? !!!

                  No, also by!))) They compared but did not measure!) Indeed, it was a shame for the Cossack to marry a serf, it was like that, but the purity of blood has nothing to do with it. They did not want to be related to the peasants, because they were not "free"; a slave cannot bring up a free woman. How do you explain that the Cossacks willingly took in marriage the captured Turkish and Tatar women and baptized them? There were a lot of such marriages, their children were called bolds, Boldyrev on the Don was a very common surname.
                  1. Dirty Harry
                    Dirty Harry 14 December 2018 14: 01
                    +2
                    Quote: Daronya Grebenkov
                    children from them were called blisters, Boldyrev on the Don is a very common surname.

                    Bolds were called illegitimate children - and the children of Turkish women and Tartars were called Tums. Only there was a proverb about them: "Tuma has an encore's thoughts!"
    2. SOF
      SOF 14 December 2018 06: 49
      +14
      Quote: Conductor
      And such dead heads were worn by the Austro-Hungarian and Prussian and English-Russian forces and the Kornilov regiment.

      ..... all of you listed as an official state hero did not have a Hauptmann Wehrmacht Bandera ......
      ..... and this chevron is not just similar, it is ....
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 14 December 2018 07: 15
        -16
        The Germans arrested Bandera the same in 1941 and he spent the war in Sachsenhausen, right? When did he become a Hauptmann of Verkhmat?
        1. SOF
          SOF 14 December 2018 08: 22
          +7
          Quote: Conductor
          become?

          .... photoshop ....?
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 14 December 2018 08: 49
            +7
            Quote: SOF
            .... photoshop ....?

            in the photo Reinhard Gehlen, Lieutenant General of the Wehrmacht. It’s the stubborn ukronatsiks who are trying to imagine the stern Aryan warrior to Bandera, and they invent all sorts of nonsense - they take photos of him in the Soviet Union uniform, hang pictures of this intelligence general and so on ... don’t be fooled by this, Bandera was an ideologist. Unlike Shukhevych, who really was a Hauptman of a punitive battalion in the service of the Germans hi
            1. SOF
              SOF 14 December 2018 12: 52
              +2
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Reinhard Gehlen

              ... convinced .... I spent forty minutes trying to separate flies from cutlets on the web .......
          2. Conductor
            Conductor 14 December 2018 10: 19
            -2
            What gave you the answer? It is especially interesting when Bandera LCD received
            1. SOF
              SOF 14 December 2018 12: 54
              +3
              Quote: Conductor
              What gave you the answer?

              ......especially for you.....
              "" ..... all of you listed as an official state hero was not a Wehrmacht Hauptman roman shukhevych......
              ..... and this chevron is not just like it - this is it .... ""

              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              ....... fend off ......
              P.S. .... a lot has changed ....?
        2. Dym71
          Dym71 14 December 2018 11: 00
          +4
          Quote: Conductor
          and he sat the war in Sachsenhausen

          Where did they carry a cake and take women yes
    3. Kerensky
      Kerensky 14 December 2018 07: 14
      0
      dead heads were worn by both the Austro-Hungarian and Prussian and English-Russian divisions and the Kornilov regiment.

      Right. "Dead Head" is a symbol of loyalty.
      And let's impose sanctions against the Indians. What did they have a swastika ?!
      Yes. For the most stubborn. The Tretyakov Gallery displays Orthodox icons with a swastika. What we are going to do?
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 14 December 2018 07: 34
        +11
        Quote: Kerensky
        The Tretyakov Gallery displays Orthodox icons with a swastika. What we are going to do?

        Yeah, but under the cross of Calvary the skull is usually depicted, there is such a thing.
        Why should you include a fool and pull an owl on a globe? The man quite consciously put on the emblem of the SS division. You, despite the love of solar signs, do not go with a swastika on your sleeve?
        Or I'm wrong?
        And here are lovers of Indian culture:




        Also, the SS runes are not visible, these are fans of the symbol of fidelity for the most part.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 14 December 2018 07: 46
          -2
          You, despite the love of solar signs, do not go with a swastika on your sleeve?
          Or I'm wrong?

          Yuri. Do not be mistaken - I do not go. There were times when a tie was tied to a school for graduation (well, it changed in the international pioneer camp with someone).
          What are we now leading to? Symbolism .. Well, the chevron got on, the place was good. Goosey? Yes.
          If not for Petro Lekseich in the photo, then everyone would not give a damn. So the fascist symbol, it is in the middle and larger. On the picture.
          Further. You're right:
          Why should you include a fool and pull an owl on a globe?

          Who was climbing with a magnifying glass on this picture to make out such a detail ?! There are hundreds of similar pictures ...
          And this is not the first article on this resource.
          1. Manul
            Manul 15 December 2018 12: 32
            0
            Quote: Kerensky
            What are we now leading to? Symbolism .. Well, the chevron got on, the place was good. Goosey? Yes.

            Why do none of them wear Hindu symbols, any Maya, and even more so the Soviet army does not wear? In your understanding, the same "freedom of expression." You shamelessly cringe, but they babysit you like a patient.
      2. Moskovit
        Moskovit 14 December 2018 07: 39
        +11
        You will tell these tales to your children about the Indians, about the Hussars of Prussia. That this is a faithful Kornilovets was in service, yeah. This is the emblem of the SS division, and not even Das Reich any, but the one that is not even waist-deep, but along the neck in blood. The one who was involved in the protection of concentration camps.
        Ukrainian authorities and soldiers are competing in the stupidity of the excuses of their provocative actions. That peaceful boats with machine guns, the pirates of the SS ..
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 14 December 2018 08: 11
          -1
          This is the emblem of the SS division, and not even Das Reich any, but the one that is not even waist-deep, but along the neck in blood. The one who was involved in the protection of concentration camps.

          Alexei. I do not justify it. But if a dove was born in the stable, this does not mean that he is a horse.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 14 December 2018 08: 20
            +6
            You understand very well that he put it on for a reason, knowing full well what it means. And in his unit everyone also knows this. His commanders know. This indicates the mood in the Ukrainian army. I just can’t imagine what we would have done for such a chevron. Would jump without a parachute ...
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky 14 December 2018 09: 04
              -2
              You understand very well that he donned it for a reason

              Of course I know. And one more "for a reason" climbed with a magnifying glass on a particular picture to find this chevron.
              Alexei! Take the original image (if it is still on the web) and try to find it yourself.
              I still graduated from the printing school, by profession - a photographer.
              Where is the article that Poroshenko’s shoelaces are not ironed ?! AND?!
              1. gavrila2984
                gavrila2984 14 December 2018 09: 26
                +3
                Why look with a magnifying glass? If the photo was taken in high quality (and the first persons of the state (even such as Poroshenko, hi-hi-hi) are usually photographed not on a soap dish), then it is quite enough to enlarge the image with the mouse. And yet, yes, the bones with the skull on a black background were different in history, but in such a characteristic shield - Only once. Find me Kornilovites or Makhnovists with similar symbols - throw a link, please.
                1. Kerensky
                  Kerensky 14 December 2018 09: 52
                  -3
                  Why look with a magnifying glass? If the photo was taken in high quality (and the first persons of the state (even such as Poroshenko, hi-hi-hi) are usually photographed not on a soap dish), then it is quite enough to enlarge the image with the mouse.

                  I worked with a film of 0.17 units. GOST. Can you imagine the grain ?!
                  Okay, let's have a mouse. Who climbed to look at chevrons and other chiaroscuro ?! The picture shows a bunch of elements. Right there, "until you get to the end of the paragraph, you can break a member!"
                  In the domino, I saw Poroshenko and the carrier of the chevron. In clarified bast shoes! But why do we need these metastases, your manganese anhydride!
                  We have brains powder!
                2. Darony Grebenkov
                  Darony Grebenkov 14 December 2018 10: 02
                  +4
                  Quote: gavrila2984
                  And yet, yes, the bones with the skull on a black background were different in history, but in such a characteristic shield - Only once. Find me Kornilovites or Makhnovists with similar symbols - throw a link, please.

                  So yes, on the opposite side now they are also fighting with a "dead head" on stripes and flags (Baklanovskaya), only there it means something else - the inscription from the "Symbol of Faith": "Tea for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the next century. Amen ”and has nothing to do with the symbol of“ fidelity ”. And the Ukrop boy, there is a pure SSesov sign and there can be no other meanings here!
                  1. gavrila2984
                    gavrila2984 14 December 2018 13: 49
                    +1
                    I agree, but people who use the "Baklanov" flag as a symbol, as, I believe, Ya.P. Baklanov, do not profess the genocide of "subhumans". In contrast to tv.rei, clearly fanatic from the SS troops and the methods of their activities.
              2. Moskovit
                Moskovit 14 December 2018 09: 51
                +2
                Do you think we don’t look at it with a magnifying glass? Peskov watches for example found. But that is not the point; you are moving away from the bottom line. But its essence is simple - fascist sentiments are so allowed in the Ukrainian army that people allow themselves to come to a meeting with the head of state in this form. Do you know how our army is preparing for such meetings? Who put in front.
                1. Kerensky
                  Kerensky 14 December 2018 10: 00
                  0
                  Do you know how our army is preparing for such meetings? Who put in front.

                  I know, Alex, I know ...
                  I even know who marched with the poster "Hands off the enemies of world imperialism!" across Red Square ... in front of the Mausoleum. And everything went away ...
            2. Avior
              Avior 14 December 2018 11: 45
              -3
              You understand very well that he put it on for a reason, knowing full well what it means.

              why do you think so?
              go out into the street and ask, it's not a fact that at least someone will tell you that it's not just a skull with bones, "don't get in, it will kill"
              1. Moskovit
                Moskovit 14 December 2018 12: 59
                +3
                What kind of fools are you holding people? A man hooked a skull with a transformer booth? This is the emblem of the most odious SS division. You can continue to continue playing the kindergarten. At the front, these pirates were shot on the spot, not delving into heraldry.
          2. Dirty Harry
            Dirty Harry 14 December 2018 14: 07
            +1
            Quote: Kerensky
            But if a dove was born in the stable, this does not mean that he is a horse.

            An Indian proverb is better suited here: and the pigeon would like, but not the strength to sin in the tiger!
      3. SOF
        SOF 14 December 2018 08: 19
        +4
        Quote: Kerensky
        Right. "Dead Head" is a symbol of loyalty.

        ....even so...? exactly "Dead Head"? .... lol ... a symbol of fidelity .....?
        .....let us suppose....... wassat
        ..... give the following explanation: .... structure in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of urkaina ...
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 14 December 2018 09: 06
          -1
          give the following explanation:

          Alexander. Why explain it?
        2. Avior
          Avior 14 December 2018 11: 43
          -1
          and what did you see here?
      4. dzvero
        dzvero 14 December 2018 09: 59
        +5
        Yes, and the swastika itself was used in the Red Army:

        It's not about signs, but about thinking ...
        1. Darony Grebenkov
          Darony Grebenkov 14 December 2018 10: 07
          +5
          Quote: dzvero
          It's not about signs, but about thinking ...

          Here! Quite right, and Kerensky is muddying the water here with external similarities!
          For example:

          Something reminds, but what does the Nazi ideology have to do with it? But in dill just everything converges - external and internal.
        2. Kerensky
          Kerensky 14 December 2018 10: 12
          0
          Yeah! I have two of these. One is a remake.
        3. region58
          region58 15 December 2018 22: 20
          +1
          Quote: dzvero
          Yes, and the swastika itself was used in the Red Army

          There is an opinion that this is a fake:
          A photograph of this "rarest sign" has been circulating on the Internet for a long time. Even on Pikabu there are several posts with this sign (the bayanometer will show). Usually, this hand-made article is signed as "the sign of the red commander of the Southeastern Front", and in the comments gossip usually begins about the swastika in the Red Army, about Slavic symbols ... The only thing that is often absent from the discussions is the fake sign. Where did it come from, why is there a photograph of only this sign on the Internet (it was not made in a single copy), why is it not in the photographs of the awardees?

          Version 1.
          If the sign were officially established, the order would be preserved. For some reason, everything remained on the chevron, but was the sign too secret? Again, there is no decree on the establishment of the mark, there are no photographs of the awardees, neither the mark itself nor even its parts have survived and were not found by the search engines. Strange isn't it? Lead even on such infrequent signs "Honest Warrior of the Karelian Front" and the Order of the "Red Banner" of the Azerbaijan SSR (21 awards), all the data is there. The awarded ones are also known, and the signs themselves, and with the paint sign with a swastika - a beak ...
          Version 2. The fact that the second version is not consistent refutes the sign itself, or rather its stigma (I am silent about fake stamps). The sign bears the mark "VKhTM" - Higher (State) art and technical workshops. As a matter of fact, that's all - the version with a private order fell apart by itself.
          Yes, even about the stigma - on the front side of the marks were not stamped. And in general they are a bit too much on the sign.

          Totally here:
          https://pikabu.ru/story/ostorozhno_fantaziya_pro_znak_rsfsr_so_svastikoy_4996445
          1. dzvero
            dzvero 17 December 2018 13: 55
            0
            Quite possible. True, in those days, the swastika was a fairly popular symbol, so it is possible that in some places it could be used before the approval of official symbols. And the fact that the VHTM stigma - after all, in the 18th year the confusion was what was needed and unofficial barter could well take place - products for medals.
            PS But there are posters with Lenin and Stalin, where an outstretched right hand can be taken as a 'zigging' ... So it's not about symbols ...
      5. Dirty Harry
        Dirty Harry 14 December 2018 14: 05
        +1
        Quote: Kerensky
        The Tretyakov Gallery displays Orthodox icons with a swastika.

        In fact, this is not a swastika, but the so-called. "gammed cross", and the Nazis - too. A real (in the sense of an Indian) swastika has the ends not bent at right angles. but only at 45 degrees.
        By the way, the Orthodox also depicts a "dead head" at the base of the Lord's Cross - this is the head of Adam, from which the Most Pure Blood of Christ washed away the original sin. Golgotha ​​means "skull" precisely because the skull of Adam was buried there (about the rest of the body - I do not know)
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 14 December 2018 06: 46
    +14
    It is not clear the indignation ... Nazi symbols .. Change to a trident .. under this symbol will destroy peaceful people .. From the change of characters the Nazi essence of this regime will not change ...
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 14 December 2018 09: 29
      +2
      This symbol is an excellent proof of the essence of the current fascist regime in the former. Ukraine.
      Many do not understand point-blank, do not believe that this is possible. Shout - show. Here we show, another visual confirmation.
      But here, lo and behold, fighters for the truth enter the battle, and begin to tell us that there is nothing wrong with that.
      As always, as expected, these fighters found themselves on the same side with the enemies. knowing full well what the mere mention of these very symbols still means for us, how we relate to those who use them - nevertheless continue to bravely fight "for historical truth".
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 14 December 2018 10: 20
        -2
        fighters for truth come into battle

        As always, as expected, these fighters were on the same side with the enemies.

        From bad luck Sergey! Fighters for truth on one side with enemies? Let me guess - are you bright warriors of lies?
        Please do not be offended.
        Still, I can not resist.
        My grandfather was born in Germany. The family moved to the USSR after Hitler came to power. Not Jews, Communists. The war has begun. Grandfather served as an electrician in the submarine on the SF (and as a gun commandant). And he was sprinkled - after all, a German.
        Well, where is the truth?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 14 December 2018 10: 46
          +1
          The expression "fighters for the truth" in this case should be viewed in an ironic manner.
          It means only that "truth" that exists in their heads. Well, or in some cases, an appeal to the truth is seen as an instrument of information warfare.
          Those who speak Russian perfectly understand this nuance.
          For the rest, I just explained.

          A few words about the truth as such.
          In the environment of human understanding of reality, it does not exist. That is, in general. There is only the most favorable option for the interpretation of certain events for a particular moment and community.
          And even simpler - the truth is for those who are stronger. The weaker are forced to agree with her, take for the truth.
          Both we and they want to survive, and we strive to do this as best as possible for ourselves. That’s the whole truth.
          Does this mean that in the struggle for the version of "truth" you cite, we must eliminate our beliefs?
          No way. We do not want to pass into the category of the vanquished.
          Does this mean that the guardians of some universal "truth" harm all sides of the confrontation?
          Yes, that is exactly the case. They are harmful to all parties. But in this case they are against us.
  8. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 14 December 2018 07: 11
    +2
    The protocol service of Poroshenko is simply not professionals. By such mistakes, one can judge the general level of training of people around the president.
    1. polar fox
      polar fox 14 December 2018 07: 32
      0
      Quote: Qwertyarion

      The protocol service of Poroshenko is simply not professionals.

      probably it is ... the guarantor, but at all meetings, in different parts of the country, have the same faces ...
      1. Qwertyarion
        Qwertyarion 14 December 2018 07: 55
        +1
        Quote: polar fox
        at all meetings, in different parts of the country, the same faces ...

        This is also a flaw in the protocol service! People should not be aware of the staging of photos and videos.
        But the Ukrainians have a mess in general, some kind of collective farm-rural approach to business.
        1. polar fox
          polar fox 14 December 2018 07: 56
          -1
          Quote: Qwertyarion
          But the Ukrainians have a mess in general, some kind of collective farm-rural approach to business.

          This is because Potroshenko meets with real ludins, not dummies.
          1. Qwertyarion
            Qwertyarion 14 December 2018 08: 21
            +2
            Quote: polar fox
            This is because Potroshenko meets with real ludins, not dummies.

            This cannot justify the improper performance of the duties of the protocol service of the president.
            Look at the behavior of Trump in meetings, his speech and behavior is generally horrible. Either random people work in the protocol service, or Trump is generally an inadequate person who is not able to remember how to behave.
            1. polar fox
              polar fox 14 December 2018 09: 13
              0
              Quote: Qwertyarion
              Either random people work in the protocol service, or Trump is generally an inadequate person who is not able to remember how to behave.

              Trump behaves like a boss. Or not? He just put on all the conventions - and he can allow it .... whatever we can, "express concern" through the lips of mashi-na-louboutins.
              1. Qwertyarion
                Qwertyarion 14 December 2018 09: 26
                +3
                Quote: polar fox
                Trump behaves like a boss. Or not? He just put on all the conventions - and he can allow it .... whatever we can, "express concern" through the lips of mashi-na-louboutins.

                Trump behaves as an ill-mannered person, and not as a master.
                In addition, colleagues and the media just do not wipe their feet about him inside their country.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 December 2018 07: 13
    +2
    I used it out of ignorance, thinking it was a pirate flag,
    With someone else's help, I decided to include "d.urak", naturally and in Ukrainian they probably think slyly. But for some reason it does not roll at all, tk. reasonable people perfectly understand where the root of evil is.
  10. KRIK33
    KRIK33 14 December 2018 07: 15
    +5
    I don’t understand one thing ... If you are a Nazi, a true "Aryan", and defend your beliefs, and do not turn into a clown when you bend over. You are not a pirate, but a cowardly punks. negative
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 December 2018 08: 52
      +3
      I agree, it would not be justified - the fact that there are a lot of Natsiks in Ukraine is a long-proven fact, it is enough to take a look at the photos of the "Azovites" who are in the network of the wagon.
      1. Meshcheryak
        Meshcheryak 14 December 2018 10: 36
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        I agree, it would not be justified - the fact that there are a lot of Natsiks in Ukraine is a long-proven fact, it is enough to take a look at the photos of the "Azovites" who are in the network of the wagon.

        Yes, that’s absolutely true, there it’s almost an official ideology, with such stripes terbats all go to regular ones through one, and tattoos too! And this fool turned on))) Although the truth is a fool, his and the same zadebut)))
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 14 December 2018 07: 16
    +1
    Yeah. He thought. Captain Jack Sparrow, damn it!
    Apparently believes that being stupid is much better than a Nazi. But in the end it appeared as a stupid Nazi.
  12. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 14 December 2018 07: 18
    +2
    As Rosenbaum sang: "Now it's too late to make excuses" ...
  13. Altona
    Altona 14 December 2018 07: 20
    +3
    Yes, it would be a lot of things to stick to the form. On the headdress "edelweiss", on the elbow, you can also have a "wrecked tank" or "plane", and an eagle on your chest that you are a member of the NSDAP. On the buttonholes "iron cross". Why be ashamed of that? Apply Nazi decals on helmets. In general, the space is large. No wonder that half of Ukraine went to collaborators, the kids followed in their footsteps.
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 14 December 2018 07: 52
      0
      Yes, it would be a lot of things to stick to the form. On the headdress "edelweiss"

      Eugene. I agree. I had an Edelweiss patch on anorak. And on the helmet is a red dragon with green eyes (glowed in the dark). Who am I now? Fascist, Nazi, Chinese pirate? Or just a climber ....
      1. Altona
        Altona 14 December 2018 09: 16
        +3
        Quote: Kerensky
        I had an Edelweiss patch on anorak.

        -----------------------
        Edelweiss is actually a flower of declaration of love in Bavaria, Austria and Tyrol. I have a brooch-icon in the form of a heart with an edelweiss donated to me at Oktoberfest. This is a completely emblem of mountain rangers.


        PS Other flower images are not considered. Patches for the wrecked tanks and planes themselves in the network you will find and consider. Like the painting of the helmets of the Wehrmacht, and other paraphernalia.
      2. DeGreen
        DeGreen 26 December 2018 08: 47
        0
        Just not very smart
  14. Proton
    Proton 14 December 2018 07: 22
    +4
    laughing here are such things, in the state yellow-blue pants, two runes ss, a pirate flag, the Caribbean must be assumed
    1. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 14 December 2018 09: 50
      +2
      Pirates of the Black Sea: Dead Men Tell No Tales.
  15. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 14 December 2018 07: 31
    +1
    Well, of course! We forgot - "onizhedeti" ... from the Cambodian jungle!
  16. Siberian
    Siberian 14 December 2018 07: 34
    +2
    APU - pirates? It's funny
    "The Lord is, of course, right in everything.
    But it seems incomprehensible -
    Why did he create a durable cabinet
    With such poor content ?! "
    About a dumbass skull
    1. Dirty Harry
      Dirty Harry 14 December 2018 14: 14
      +1
      Quote: Siberian
      APU - pirates? It's funny

      Is not it so? Capture of "Nord" - pure piracy!
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  18. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 14 December 2018 07: 43
    +1
    Well, as usual .. And we for sho ...
  19. georggy
    georggy 14 December 2018 07: 44
    +1
    And what is there to think? There is one bone!
  20. Strashila
    Strashila 14 December 2018 07: 49
    +3
    "A paratrooper of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about the chevron of the SS division: I thought it was a pirate flag," his president thinks the same, that's why he sent the pelvis over the horizon to meet the sun
  21. Scud
    Scud 14 December 2018 08: 16
    +3
    I want to add a little different.
    In order to frighten the aggressor and show how strong we were, a banal flash mob was raffled off with a take-off and supposedly departure for a war with an adversary.
  22. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 14 December 2018 08: 19
    +1
    A surprise for him and the like: the SS men were not taken prisoner.
    1. Dirty Harry
      Dirty Harry 14 December 2018 14: 15
      0
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      SS men were not taken prisoner.

      I suspect that in the Donbass and now do not take! good
  23. WarriorWolf
    WarriorWolf 14 December 2018 08: 20
    +2
    as I imagine this weirdo on a frigate that cuts through the fields of Ukraine in an attack on the Donbass ... on a flagpole a pirate flag, a senior policeman Flint, a boatswain Silver with a parrot on a wooden leg, the parachute develops behind, the rigging creaks, the sails clap ... Romance, what .. .
    1. DeGreen
      DeGreen 26 December 2018 08: 45
      +1
      And Yarosh and Turchinov hang on the yards
  24. darksoul
    darksoul 14 December 2018 08: 21
    +1
    ordinary meat, which thinks that it is unique and inimitable, than it differs from other people, the history of such twists into minced meat without looking back
    1. depressant
      depressant 14 December 2018 08: 37
      +1
      Critters! ...
      They brought both themselves and us to such a state that, waking up in the morning, you wish a person death! request
  25. DeGreen
    DeGreen 14 December 2018 08: 30
    +1
    On YouTube, there was an interview with colleagues of this .... so, they said that they will be sister (from the word sister) preaches Nazism. And such signs, in the form of tattoos, he has a whole bunch
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 December 2018 11: 41
      +1
      can I link?
      1. DeGreen
        DeGreen 26 December 2018 08: 44
        0
        Do not know how to google and YouTube?
  26. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
    Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 14 December 2018 08: 31
    +2
    "" From the statement of a Ukrainian serviceman:
    Dear compatriots and fighting brothers! I want to apologize for my use of a chevron similar to those used by Nazi units. I want to emphasize that I used it unknowingly, thinking that this is a pirate flag, one of the varieties. I admit my mistake and I am ready to bear responsibility for it. "(Quote).

    Himself "excuse" invented or prompted?
  27. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 14 December 2018 08: 40
    +1
    I hope this Natsik will no longer be taken prisoner .....
  28. Sergey_51RUS
    Sergey_51RUS 14 December 2018 08: 54
    0
    But the fact that the plane sawed off the turbine did not confuse anyone?
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  30. Nitarius
    Nitarius 14 December 2018 09: 19
    +1
    sorry for ordinary men .. use as meat .. but they must include the head!
  31. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 14 December 2018 09: 44
    +2
    I read the news, I did not believe it. Well, for sure, either they pretend to be, or they all got a dust bag. For the sake of objectivity, I think Bandera is disingenuous.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 December 2018 11: 40
      -1
      and show your friends the emblem, and ask if they know what it is
  32. Vanek
    Vanek 14 December 2018 10: 05
    +1
    Well, an entertaining fact

    Cappers (German Kaper), corsairs (French corsaire), privateers (English privateer) - private individuals who, with the permission of the supreme authority of the belligerent state, used an armed vessel (also called privateer, privat or corsair) to capture the enemy’s merchant ships.

    And yet there are all sorts of filibusters, buccaneers and other alcohol dealers.

    The essence does not change!
    1. Dirty Harry
      Dirty Harry 14 December 2018 14: 17
      +2
      Quote: Vanek
      Cappers (German Kaper), corsairs (French corsaire), privateers (English privateer)

      The civilized countries banned privateering, EMNIP, in 1856m, immediately after the Crimean War. But Ukraine did not sign this agreement - like Somalia! laughing
  33. synodontis
    synodontis 14 December 2018 10: 17
    +4
    In the Russian Imperial Army, the symbols of “death-immortality” were first used during the Patriotic War of 1812 in one of the equestrian regiments of the St. Petersburg militia, called the “Deadly” or “Immortal” regiment. On the headdresses of the ranks of this unit a silver skull was attached over the crossed bones. This symbol, as follows from the very name of the regiment, (in any case, in relation to the Russian troops) was used not so much as a symbol of death, but rather as a symbol of immortality.

    The coat of arms on the headdresses in the form of a skull and bones was officially established by Emperor Nicholas II at the beginning of the 1th century for one of the regular regiments of the Russian cavalry - the Alexandria Hussar Regiment. Her Majesty's 5st squadron of the 2th Hussar Alexandria regiment had the badge “all black with a silver Adam’s head (regimental emblem), with a silver hussar gal frame”; XNUMXnd squadron - the “all black, with silver Adam’s head” badge.


    "Baklanovsky badge"
    "Skull and Bones" also adorned the caps of the caps of the 4th Mariupol Hussar Regiment and the black badge of the 17th Donskoy ("Baklanovsky") Cossack Regiment. According to the "Military Encyclopedia" Sytin (1915), once in the fortress of Grozny, General Ya. P. Baklanov, who became very popular in Russia thanks to his exploits in the Caucasus, "" with an opportunity "received an unknown from whom, and from where the parcel. When it was opened, it contained a black silk badge ”[1] (as“ small flags ”have long been called in the Russian army). This badge was embroidered with a white "Adam's head" (skull and bones), framed with a motto repeating the concluding words of the Christian Creed: "Tea for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the century to come. Amen". Baklanov did not part with him until the end of his life "[1].

    At the grave of the hero at the Novodevichy cemetery in St. Petersburg for voluntary donations (the general died in poverty and was buried at the expense of the Don army) a monument was erected. The monument depicted “a rock on which a cloak and a hat are thrown; a black“ Baklanovsky “badge” has been pulled out from under the hat ”[1].

    Use of the symbol during the First World War

    Badge of the Kornilovsky Shock Regiment
    In the Russian army during the First World War, the emblem of the "Adam's Head" was used in Russian military aviation. It was decided to establish, as an additional reward, or insignia, for pilots who shot down enemy airplanes, the George bar, on which skulls with crossbones mark the number of aircraft destroyed: dozens of gold skulls, and units of silver skulls. Many of these projects were realized, similar signs were preserved, as well as others, in the form of a "dead head" superimposed on the propeller of the aircraft.

    This symbol was also used in the shock units of the Russian army during the 1917 revolution (the most famous were the “Kornilov shock regiment” and the “Women's combat team (battalion) of death” by Maria Bochkareva, who defended the Winter Palace from the Bolsheviks in October 1917), for the award of which in the summer of 1917, a special sign was even established in the form of a skull with bones on a black and red ribbon.

    In the German army since September 1918 the emblem of the “Adam's Head” was applied to all tanks (including captured ones).

    Use of the symbol during the Civil War in Russia

    Red sailors with the flag "Death to the bourgeois"

    Shock squad
    During the Civil War, the "dead head" was used by both sides, but more often by whites. White combined “skull and crossbones” in his symbolism with an expression of readiness to die for his cause. For example, on the banner of the Tsarskoye Selo Death Battalion decorated with a "dead head" it was written: "Death is better than the death of the Motherland." On the red banners, the “dead head” was less common and usually combined with a threat to destroy its enemy (“Death to the bourgeois”, “... to the enemies of the working people”, “... counter-revolutionaries”, etc.). [Source not specified 2308 days]

    In the White Army - besides the already mentioned Kornilovites - many other similar units were formed: Drozdovtsy, Markovites, Annenkovtsy, soldiers of the Western Volunteer Army, General Prince Avalov (Bermondt), detachments of Ataman Bulak-Balakhovich, Don Cossacks-Gundorists, officers of the Czechoslovak Iron Brigade, Czechoslovak Corps , drummers of General Gaida, soldiers of the Siberian assault brigade, Colonel Pepelyaev and many others. In their symbolism there was certainly a “dead head" - as a symbol of death and resurrection. Moreover, the same idea was often expressed also in the black-and-white color “schematic” scale of the military uniform of the White Guard units - on epaulets, caps, hats, tokens and sleeve guards, awards, banners, rings and badges. To emphasize their “crusader-monastic” character, whites often used in their symbolism a white Orthodox or Maltese “knight's” (“knightly”) cross, and Markovites even wore black beads-ladders on their belts. Sometimes it was combined with the face of Christ, as on the banner of the "Women's Death Battalion" by Maria Bochkareva.

    Cheka employees used this logo. A photograph of the demonstration of the Petrograd Chekists under the slogan: "Death to the bourgeoisie and its henchmen, long live the Red Terror!" Describing the attempts of the Odessa Chekist to recruit captured officers for Soviet service, the foreman of the Ukrainian Galician Army Yarich-Zapilsky described:

    He has a golden human skull with two bones on the lapel of his jacket. This is a sign of emergency.
    On the banner of the anarcho-communists, Old Man Makhno, a “dead head” was also depicted and the inscription was placed: “Death, all the same to the pirshodi of the virtues of the working people”. ("Death to all who interfere with the freedom of the working people").
  34. Conductor
    Conductor 14 December 2018 10: 25
    0
    The camp guard should not be confused with the Waffen SS. Source Heinz Hyun.
  35. Kibl
    Kibl 14 December 2018 10: 35
    +1
    And punishment will follow for violation of the charter? Although what charter is in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a charter for armies is being written. But in Ukraine there are no gangs animated, but no charter for them!
  36. Shaman
    Shaman 14 December 2018 10: 59
    +1
    What nafig paratroopers are gopniks with parachutes.
  37. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 14 December 2018 11: 10
    +1
    Mdaaaaa! "Holy simplicity ? what Oh oh negative
  38. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 14 December 2018 11: 10
    +1
    Well, you all are up in arms - they are children!
  39. Kiwik
    Kiwik 14 December 2018 11: 22
    +2
    Tyuyuyu yes it's just an ancient Ukrainian symbol
    Why didn’t you say so
  40. Avior
    Avior 14 December 2018 11: 24
    0
    it would be necessary to conduct an experiment, take such a chevron and go down the street to ask the people what it is.
    there is a strong suspicion that they recognize the emblem of the SS division as a unit.
  41. Nimitz
    Nimitz 14 December 2018 11: 34
    +1
    Excessive awareness of issues of history and symbols, the warrior of the Ukrainian army, is not needed. Otherwise, it may begin to ask questions — what the hell are we fighting with our people, and how will it all end. But the children from the security service of the President of Ukraine and his image and press services, frowned at the full, allowing such a photo on the open spaces of the media space.
  42. Lester7777
    Lester7777 14 December 2018 13: 10
    +2
    I remembered a joke about a little boy. “And my grandfather was an electrician in the war. He has two lightnings drawn on his helmet. ” Now we know the name of this boy.
  43. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 14 December 2018 20: 12
    0
    Ancient Ukrainian fun - mow down under a fool. Ours, by the way, too.
  44. Tuzik
    Tuzik 14 December 2018 23: 00
    0
    Manstein wrote about this division that they are brave but bad? when the motorized corps commanded
  45. Antares
    Antares 15 December 2018 00: 54
    -2
    I watched the video of confession and condemnation. It suited me. In fact, this is an information war. Some happily grabbed the "Nazis" Nazis, others - "There are no such" (there is another option, you yourself are like that in the Russian Federation, too). And let's spin and twirl the drums of information pumping.
    Yes and figs with him. And with a chevron. There are so many people that runes, emblems, heraldry and so on. Something that can generally dance in a German costume ..
    All these arrivals with logs in the eye and specks look ridiculous. When both sides blame each other for this.

    Paratroopers against be-yak manifestations of Nazism

    Submitted by Command of the Airborne Assault Command of the Ukrainian Forces of Ukraine Thursday, December 13, 2018

    1. Warrior Hamilton
      Warrior Hamilton 15 December 2018 18: 27
      0
      What a silly little girl, the mustache knows about the fascinating badge Ne Chego ne ne, and the mustache knows about the rough portion of Russian propagandists. These creatures themselves will never calm down.
  46. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 15 December 2018 02: 05
    0
    haha, I thought it was a pirate flag, their Pietya, too, when she drinks or smokes, also thinks and mutters something. wassat
  47. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 16 December 2018 03: 26
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Chu ... Onget!

    SOS and they!