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NI: Russian "Penicillin" can destroy US artillery

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The latest sound-heat artillery reconnaissance complex 1B75 "Penicillin", presented at the salon "Army-2018, will be the main enemy of American heavy artillery, writes expert Mark Episkopos in his article for the magazine National Interest.


NI: Russian "Penicillin" can destroy US artillery


This system will revolutionize artillery intelligence just as its namesake revolutionized the field of medicine.

According to the expert, the American intelligence complex Hughes AN / TSQ-51 uses radar technology to capture the trajectory of the flying projectiles, which is determined by the location of the gun.

The Russian system uses four acoustic-thermal sound locators 1B76, a large “stabilization platform” and “optical-electronic module”. The inclusion of six full-time and six thermal imaging cameras contributes to high-speed data sorting, he writes.



Penicillin is able to detect targets in 5 seconds within 25 km. In addition, the system determines in advance the points of fall of the shells. The sensors are so sensitive and accurate that they can detect the usual "door slam". At the same time, the equipment is fully automated in order to exclude the "human factor", according to the material.

The complex has a range of much less than the radar. However, Russian developers do not rely on electromagnetic waves, since their emitter (radar) is easily detected by the enemy. In addition, the radar can not fix shots with a weak signal, such as mortar.

For the first time, the sound-warming artillery reconnaissance complex became known in 2017. His tests are currently ending. It is expected that in mass production it will be launched in 2019 year.
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  1. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 2 December 2018 09: 37
    +27
    He’s penicillin to treat the enemy! Ukrovoyak should have been treated like this, and Novorossia should be helped.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 2 December 2018 09: 55
      +8
      All clear. Now the main thing for the enemy, when they shoot from cannons, is not to slam the doors at home at the same time. belay
      1. Machito
        Machito 2 December 2018 09: 58
        +3
        Useful medicine for counter-battery work. Apparently took into account the combat experience of the Donbass.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 2 December 2018 10: 21
          +8
          The device is of course interesting. The detection range is small (according to the article), and the car itself with the platform in a fighting position is a good target. But this is my opinion, it would be nice to hear specialists. Yes, and the name is spoiled for the article .. Amerzians fight at this distance only with the Papuans. With us they will not fight with artillery.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 2 December 2018 10: 37
            +16
            Quote: 210ox
            Detection range is small (according to the article)

            The real range of action of such machines passes under the heading of a secret or top secret.
          2. combat192
            combat192 2 December 2018 10: 48
            +23
            Quote: 210ox
            Detection range is small (according to the article)

            90% of all artillery of the warring parties is located in the 4-8 km strip from the line of contact, and mortars can even be at the front line or in the battle formations of the attackers.
          3. NEXUS
            NEXUS 2 December 2018 11: 49
            +1
            Quote: 210ox
            Detection range is small (according to the article)

            Consider the factor of modernization. Surely the radius during the upgrade will be increased. The important thing is that such a system will go to the troops and will evolve.
          4. Altona
            Altona 2 December 2018 11: 56
            -2
            Quote: 210ox
            The detection range is small (according to the article), and the machine itself with the platform in a fighting position is a good target.

            -------------------------
            This is apparently the ultimate sensitivity of thermal and acoustic sensors. And in the kung itself, apparently, experts in detecting enemy field artillery are sitting. Hence the dimensions and sensitivity of the device.
      2. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 2 December 2018 10: 11
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        don't slam the doors

        The main thing is not to clap your ears. They will fly off with your head. Useful thing. It will come in handy for both Donbass and Syria. Judging by Potroshenko's fuss, he will not want to peacefully leave power in Ukraine, or rather, the owners will not let it?
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 2 December 2018 12: 21
          -3
          Three kilometers from the shot, the shell will fly after the sound and will not walk in the wind for 5 seconds, but the trajectory will be detected. lol
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 2 December 2018 13: 07
            +2
            Quote: siberalt
            Three kilometers from the shot, the shell will fly after the sound and will not walk in the wind for 5 seconds, but the trajectory will be detected.

            So Penicillin not only hears, but also sees. Let's say the civilian Security Watch sees a car at 15.5 km, a man at 9.2 km hi
  2. Goto
    Goto 2 December 2018 09: 38
    +1
    They would modify the radar too. It should turn on, no need not turn on.
    1. Graz
      Graz 2 December 2018 10: 02
      +2
      it is obvious that there should be a combination of both types complementing each other (once one is detectable and the other is lame in range)
    2. Shurik70
      Shurik70 2 December 2018 10: 04
      +3
      Quote: Goto
      They would modify the radar too. It should turn on, no need not turn on.

      Certainly.
      An artillery reconnaissance radar is also needed, but the 25 km detection radius of the sonic is not enough. Moreover, the radar complex must be compatible with "Penicillin" in order to work in pairs.
      But you need to do it on a separate chassis. That would stand alone on the sidelines and send their data on the radio. What would if when they find him, they only shot him.
  3. A good one
    A good one 2 December 2018 09: 42
    +4
    Autonomous and secretive work, remote control, all this is necessary and expected in the troops.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 December 2018 09: 44
    -1
    The latest 1B75 Sound Thermal artillery reconnaissance complex Penicillin, presented at the Army-2018 salon, will become the main enemy of American heavy artillery,

    ... and after its application the "Purgen" will no longer be needed by the Merikatos ... laughing
    1. Restless
      Restless 2 December 2018 09: 55
      +2
      The latest sound thermal artillery reconnaissance complex 1B75 Penicillin

      Well, Russian, well, pranksters, as they call, at least stand at least fall from laughter ..
      We are waiting for the name "Purgen"))) Russophobe, etc. soldier
      1. minus
        minus 2 December 2018 10: 45
        +5
        Purgen, this is too cruel, you can girlfriend, more politically correct phenelphthalein wassat
        1. Yura
          Yura 3 December 2018 00: 00
          0
          Quote: Minus
          phenelphthalein

          I read this word, I tried to pronounce it ten times, I got naphthalene on the tenth, I thought it was good too, especially from the moth, and went to drink coffee. winked
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 2 December 2018 11: 26
        +7
        Quote: Restless
        Well, Russian, well, pranksters, as they call, at least stand at least fall from laughter.

        Opened a "drug batch". There is where to roam. From Аspirin to Яsuccinic acid. good laughing
        1. Restless
          Restless 2 December 2018 11: 53
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Restless
          Well, Russian, well, pranksters, as they call, at least stand at least fall from laughter.

          Opened a "drug batch". There is where to roam. From Аspirin to Яsuccinic acid. good laughing

          There is also the old name "Seven-flower flower" .. "Petal" - the last blow!

          such good cartoons were ..and now I’ve lived on old age ..
    2. Runx135
      Runx135 2 December 2018 11: 27
      +3
      Well, I'll add my own version to the wonderful names. For the treatment of "sick" heads - CITRAMON!
      Already goosebumps from such names laughing
  5. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 2 December 2018 09: 47
    +9
    I'm afraid to even suggest what kind of headache the complex with the medical name `` diphenhydramine '' will present to the foe lol
  6. Andrey Chistyakov
    Andrey Chistyakov 2 December 2018 09: 48
    +1
    Will it get to artillery?
  7. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 2 December 2018 09: 49
    0
    Quote: aszzz888
    ... and after its application the "Purgen" will no longer be needed by the Merikatos ...

    And also, to wear diapers in advance, before arriving at the position, so as not to embarrass. stop
  8. Antidote
    Antidote 2 December 2018 09: 52
    +1
    Type a replacement for the Zoo? That one in one car, there is a whole column. Well xs.
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 2 December 2018 09: 55
    0
    , such a construction can also be harnessed on a tracked chassis if necessary. The battery gave a couple of shots and go.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 2 December 2018 09: 59
      +3
      So this is the Germans in the exercises. and such nonsense was built because nearby settlements, and this is a huge muffler ....
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 2 December 2018 09: 55
    +1
    Maybe it will help .... when it is eaten, it helped, then we will distribute the buns!
  11. Dezinto
    Dezinto 2 December 2018 09: 57
    +2
    Another ingenious name for our technology .... I can not even imagine what will come up next ....
    Some kind of "chipmunk" missile system with a "charging" support vehicle ...
    1. HAM
      HAM 2 December 2018 10: 08
      +1
      The next one will be "purgen", well, you understand ..
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 2 December 2018 10: 11
        +1
        Artelirian setting - "diarrhea". )
  12. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 2 December 2018 10: 00
    +2
    The complex is good, but there is one drawback - in terms of its performance characteristics it will have to be a couple of kilometers from the front edge, and with such a difficult-to-mask mast it can easily be detected even by a visual observer, not to mention reconnaissance radars. So I repeat - the complex is good, but not universal for any military operations and the level of the enemy.
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 December 2018 10: 08
    +3
    Single artillery attacks - understandable. How will such a station "feel" when the enemy uses massive artillery? I guess this is the main "secret" ... The station is not detected by the enemy observation services ... Like any means of passive observation.
    Strong thing!
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 2 December 2018 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Strong thing!

      Any antibiotic is a powerful thing, especially at the right time and in the right place (since its detection radius is not particularly strong). Our sworn "friends" do not sit still either.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 2 December 2018 10: 11
    +4
    It would be better if they wrote the amount of this equipment in the army, but did not praise this complex. We have a lot of unique complexes produced by industry, but the entry into the troops is very weak, this is specifically my personal opinion.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 December 2018 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      It would be better to write the amount of this equipment in the army

      Well Duc and wrote -
      It is expected that in mass production it will be launched in 2019.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 2 December 2018 17: 56
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: APASUS
        It would be better to write the amount of this equipment in the army

        Well Duc and wrote -
        It is expected that in mass production it will be launched in 2019.

        And how much is mass production, 2-3-5 -50 -500 pcs? Which of the following is clear to you? How many MO complexes have purchased?
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 2 December 2018 19: 59
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: APASUS
          It would be better to write the amount of this equipment in the army

          Well Duc and wrote -
          It is expected that in mass production it will be launched in 2019.

          And how much is mass production, 2-3-5 -50 -500 pcs? Which of the written do you understand?How many MO complexes purchased?

          I understand that in the army this technology is not yet available. I hope it should also be clear to you that it is only planned for serial production and the MO could not buy it in any way. Why ask such questions? request
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 3 December 2018 18: 13
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            Why ask such questions?

            I ask such questions, because there is not enough information, these are general phrases.
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 2 December 2018 14: 54
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      We have a lot of unique complexes produced by industry, but military entry is very weak

      Unfortunately, there is competition and lobbying in the military-industrial complex. And not always the best sample comes into the series.
    3. Frederick
      Frederick 3 December 2018 00: 25
      +1
      MOSCOW, December 2 - RIA Novosti. State tests of the new Penicillin artillery reconnaissance complex have been successfully completed, the press service of the Ruselectronics holding (part of Rostec) told RIA Novosti.

      The delivery of the first two samples is scheduled for 2020.


      One will probably be placed near Moscow, and the second somewhere near Khabarovsk. And the border will be locked, probably ... wassat
  15. Mamuka Petrovich
    Mamuka Petrovich 2 December 2018 10: 44
    0
    And how the caches are slamming can be checked, I even know where wassat
  16. pros000007
    pros000007 2 December 2018 10: 53
    0
    Well, how cool he is super duper, you can only understand after he takes part in an armed conflict
  17. lucul
    lucul 2 December 2018 10: 58
    +2
    This system will revolutionize artillery intelligence just as its namesake revolutionized the field of medicine.

    So it is. A very useful development, very. Especially in a network-centric system.
    It remains only to saturate the troops with it.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 December 2018 11: 02
    +1
    More object, to protect the same of our bases in Syria.
  19. sergei28
    sergei28 2 December 2018 11: 07
    +1
    ... the namesake revolutionized medicine ...
    Male penenselin
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 2 December 2018 11: 38
      +2
      Quote: sergei28
      Male penenselin

      And the mold is female. lol
  20. novobranets
    novobranets 2 December 2018 11: 35
    +2
    During the Second World War, there was a similar thing, an acoustic counter-battery artillery reconnaissance device. Such a thing with a bell-shaped bell on a tripod determined the azimuth and range by the sound of the shots.
  21. Old26
    Old26 2 December 2018 11: 52
    +4
    Quote: 210ox
    The device is certainly interesting. The detection range is small (according to the article), and the machine itself with the platform in a combat position is a good target.

    The device, Dmitry, is certainly interesting. The truth is that what NI writes about this already implicitly causes distrust.

    Further. The basis of this system is acoustic thermal sound locator 1B76. Let us leave the second part of this system - acousticthermal sound locator. The first part - most likely this is the usual technology for sound capture, a sort of sound pickup from the middle of the last century, but only at the present stage. Then the phrase is not clear

    "Penicillin" is able to detect targets in 5 seconds within a radius of 25 km.


    The speed of sound in the atmosphere is 340 m / s. In 5 seconds, the sound will cover a distance of 1,7 km. Where then is the mention of 25 kilometers? Or is it about analysis within 5 seconds? UNCLEAR

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Single artillery attacks - understandable. How will such a station "feel" when the enemy uses massive artillery? I guess this is the main "secret" ... The station is not detected by the enemy observation services ... Like any means of passive observation.
    Strong thing!

    But this is completely incomprehensible, Eugene! Apparently the system is very sensitive (capable of detecting a "slam of the door"). When there is a massive raid, in which at least a division of weapons will be used, you will have to filter out a huge amount of sounds. In addition, the tactical niche of the system is not entirely clear. The projectile's speed is supersonic. The projectile will hit the target before the sound arrives.
    In addition, the adversary may interfere with the operation of this system. It is enough to broadcast the sound of artillery shots (shots) at a point where there is no artillery at all ...
    Maybe this system is suitable as a means of passive monitoring. But still, the radar system is more reliable ... But this is my IMHO.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 2 December 2018 14: 15
      +3
      Even 25 years ago, an acoustic security sensor with a digital signal processing system was introduced to the market. He fulfills the alarm on the sound of breaking glass. And it’s set up in such a way that it works only on the sound of breaking flat glass, if you break a curved glass, let’s say the bottle will not be in alarm. Well-developed, apparently this technology is applied in the system.
      How does the station pick up a projectile in 5 seconds, given that the sound has not yet reached? There is another security system. These are the so-called "dual technology" sensors. First, one system detects the intruder, and gives a preliminary signal to turn on the other, which checks the relevance of the first.
      In this case, the primary system is clearly a video camera with a CCD sensor that is sensitive to the IR spectrum, and an ordinary video camera in the visible part of the spectrum. It is they who detect the projectile, and on their data the primary multivariate analysis begins. When the sound reaches the system, it serves as a final check, and according to its results, a command is already given to fire the anti-projectile system. No matter how strong the sound will deafen the acoustic sensors, they don't have to be oversensitive. The data processing system should be very cool, but it is not embarrassed by the volume of the sound, it just sets its "rating" and works on.
      Filtering as many sounds as you like is not at all difficult; it is not a person who does it, but a modern computer. Which at your home is able to store all the books ever published by humanity. Does this surprise you?
      If modern technologies are not clear to you, this does not mean that they are bad. It says something completely different ...
      1. Zaits
        Zaits 3 December 2018 01: 42
        0
        Do you like guessing on coffee grounds and reading the magazine "Young Technician" at night? Believe me, without a highly specialized training, trying to figure out what the developers have done is a thankless task.
        Only one thing is obvious, the quality of sensors for this class of systems should be very high.
        Thus, "the data processing system ... is not confused by the volume of the sound" only in the case of a very large dynamic range of the acoustic channel. And to detect a "slam of the door" even at a distance of several kilometers, the sensitivity must also be very high. That is, something like a top-end concert microphone quietly smokes on the sidelines and silently envies. Well, the data processing software there should not be too complicated. Anything is easier than in tomography.
        But if you look in general, then all of the above is just the tip of the iceberg. Creating systems of this level is, in principle, very difficult, and even more difficult to bring to mind. Let's hope that the developers succeeded.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 3 December 2018 13: 40
          0
          Who said that someone detects the slam of the door? PR man? Powerful source. What is the subject of such a system quiet sounds? What to do with them? You are poorly versed in the issue, in turn. Alas, you shouldn't write such gloomy posts without understanding the difference between "what he does" and "how he does it".
          You see, in order to figure out exactly how this or that function is solved, highly specialized training of one type is needed. And in order to understand what technology does, its individual systems, how they interact with each other (and, therefore, how to use them most effectively), training is also needed, but absolutely different. More to say, these types of training almost do not overlap. It's funny. Usually scientists, narrow specialists do not understand this. How is Savchenko doing? "As narrow-narrow as ..."
          And yes, tomography, for all its complexity, is somewhere on the level of a children's sandbox compared to these systems.
          1. Zaits
            Zaits 3 December 2018 21: 23
            0
            "What is the subject of such a system quiet sounds? What to do with them?"
            Approximately the same as in the top concert microphones with DD 150 dB and better.

            And yes, about tomography and its comparison with the subject, you simply said stupidity. If only because you, in principle, can’t know anything about these systems, but at the same time compare something concrete with them.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 4 December 2018 11: 01
              0
              The battlefield, suddenly, is not a top concert. About the differences with tomography.
              In laboratory conditions, in the complete absence of a time deficit, it is necessary to measure the differences in the density of the sample fixed on the table and form its image. The task is not easy. The sensitivity of the meters should be very high, the signal is very weak, I understand.
              Well, the system in question does utter nonsense. During that time, while acoustic and video data measurements are in full swing, that is, for a comfortable one and a half, or even all two seconds, it is necessary to drive through the core millions of data packets to all existing artillery systems in the world under all shooting conditions that have ever been measured. Each packet has hundreds of measured parameters, everything must be compared with the data that is still arriving.
              And by the end of these one and a half to two seconds, it is necessary to formulate a recommendation and launch a reaction. Given the nonsense that the latest data will come in the last millisecond. And also such nonsense that, despite the gigantic information array, the artillery system may still be unknown to the developers, and opposition must still be implemented. In this case, it is necessary to rebuild from all other shots that are around the sea, but you cannot ignore all those that go to the area to be covered, they also need to be processed. Of course, I did not describe all the difficulties, but only a part of the essential ones.
              Of course, this can not be compared with tomography ...
              1. Zaits
                Zaits 5 December 2018 01: 57
                0
                - From the point of view of "measurement" and mathematics, it doesn't matter whether it's a battlefield or a concert. Some kind of adaptive final filter in a war will not become infinite, and 150 dB of dynamic range, they are in Africa ... By the way, for the audio range this is really horror.
                - Here's how you manage to compare two systems, having a very vague idea of ​​one, and by definition not really knowing about the other?
                And where did you get that "Penicillin" should determine the type of art. acoustic signature systems, and even using a very stupid algorithm? It seems that they sucked from a finger, in any other way.

                The main purpose of "Penicillin" is to determine the coordinates of the spent art. enemy systems with sufficient accuracy to suppress it. This is known for sure, and everything else is mainly imagination and fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 5 December 2018 08: 53
                  0
                  Have you tried reading? I recommend it, sometimes it’s interesting. Identification is (naturally) primarily based on the data that is received the fastest. That is, by video. Less than two seconds, but there is no finished data packet, remember? Multivariate analysis uses all the data that can be obtained, and the entire database of data that is.
                  I'm sorry, but your thinking is poorly trained. Despite the education and some experience. You must be able to collect data, and not prepare stinging answers.
                  1. Zaits
                    Zaits 6 December 2018 02: 30
                    0
                    And why do you think I concluded that you very vaguely imagine what you are so pathetically discussing? Just a careful reading of your opuses in the style of the answer of a student who sailed on an exam served this.
                    Well, I prefer to "collect data" from prof. sources. Although not only.
                    And by the way, my weakly trained thinking, besides being exhausted by the regular grinding of thousand-page technical docks, tells me that you violated the rules of the forum by going on to discuss my person. Keep yourself in control, comrade.
  22. svp67
    svp67 2 December 2018 12: 09
    0
    The sensors are so sensitive and accurate that they can detect the usual "cotton door."
    And this system will not "go deaf" if it "slaps" well next to it.
  23. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 December 2018 14: 16
    0
    "In addition, the system determines in advance the points of impact of the shells" ///
    ------
    To determine the point of incidence, it is necessary to calculate the trajectory. That is, to detect a shell in the air at several points. Apart from the radar and the computer, nothing can do this.
    To determine the point of the shot, of course, is possible by acoustics. This method has been used since the 2nd World War.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 2 December 2018 14: 26
      0
      If you make several frames of a flying projectile, between them you can simply draw a trajectory. That's all. Of course, its declination will be insignificant, but for modern analytical systems this is absolutely not a problem. Why pinpoint a shot point by sound, especially since shooting is most likely due to the horizon? You just need the sound itself to determine the data on the shooting system. Who shoots than shoots, so much can be verified ...
    2. Zaits
      Zaits 3 December 2018 02: 00
      0
      In times of the 2nd World War they still did not know how to separate flies from cutlets. For good accuracy, it is necessary to detach from the echo, and then it was technologically unavailable.
  24. 23424636
    23424636 2 December 2018 17: 25
    -2
    an antenna post with a tower is already the first goal of mortar detectors. Wired communication with sensors, which is the 2nd world. I watched this movie and was surprised, the woman with the cart can see that this is a divorce. Look at the similar shtatovskie installations which the militias captured during the battles with their dimensions and conclude .. -Sky and earth.
  25. hump
    hump 2 December 2018 20: 35
    0
    Send urgently to LDNR with Svidomo suppression system
  26. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 3 December 2018 13: 05
    +1
    Well ... It's a normal classic "drug addict name", otherwise they came up with - "Terminator" ...
  27. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 3 December 2018 18: 03
    +2
    I love our names. :-)