Rogozin promised to check the fact of the landing of Americans on the moon

The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, on Friday, together with Moldavian President Igor Dodon, visited the Russian Space Systems company. During the visit, he acquainted the foreign guest with the work and tasks of the corporation he heads. During a conversation with Dodon, Rogozin suggested checking whether the Americans landed on the moon.

We set such a task: to fly, to check - were or were not. They say they were. We will check

- Rogozin said.

The head of Roscosmos said that at present Russia is developing a system that will allow not only to fly around the Moon, but to enter the lunar orbit and subsequently create a habitable base on the surface of the earth satellite. Roscosmos, together with NASA, has begun adjustments to the experiment program on the ISS in order to prepare future "lunar" crews for work in an environment where help from Earth cannot arrive "momentarily." To this end, experts are developing new technologies that in the future will be able to ensure the normal functioning of the lunar stations.

Rogozin also said that today no state is able to implement the lunar program on their own. In its plans for the development of the Earth satellite, Russia will cooperate with the United States.

Russian cosmonaut Sergei Ryazansky commented on the words of the head of Roscosmos about checking the Americans' stay on the moon, saying that after visiting the moon the Americans should remain traces of their landing on the surface of the earth satellite. He called the Russian lunar program "a good intermediate step" to fly to Mars. "

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[Gardamir]

I don’t know how Americans are. But it would be necessary to check for theft in Roscosmos.

[KOCMOC]

We set such a task: to fly, to check - were or were not. They say they were. We will check

It's a hit below the belt

[Thrall]

First, check the fact with a drill
The next head of Roscosmos will be one of the Zapashny brothers. Well, or right away they’ll take from the clowns ...

[SHURUM -BURUM]

And what is it all so excited against Rogozin? I am glad, for example, that finally the only sensible suggestion from his company was to check for the lice of amers. At least some kind of finally real benefit from flying to the moon, as opposed to sitting out at the state expense of pants full of ambition. This is not a pity for money. At least in automatic mode. Sit very close to the place that Hollywood chose and thoroughly examine and document. Until Musk got ahead and sent the Amer walking robot (they no longer walk, but runs and jumps) so that he trampled tracks and ducks there.

[Tersky]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

And what is it all so excited against Rogozin?

No one is excited against Rogozin, they are being excited against his words, which raise a number of questions: 1. What for? If there are no traces of the Americans on the Moon, this will not change anything - the same will be repeated as with the Skripal case. 2. At whose expense? This interests me as a taxpayer. 3. Why now? When it can be solved along the way with some current task in the future.

[Simargl]

Quote: Tersky

1. What for?

Make yourself idiots? By the way, the neck will soon be removed from the information (ours) about flight tracking.

Quote: Tersky

2. At whose expense?

And let the conspirators throw off. NASA has forbidden to approach the landing sites ... True, the first and last mission, and the rest asked not to be pulled away for souvenirs - only photos

Quote: Tersky

3. Why now?

Well, he talked about the task. With a key figure in space, by the way

[region58]

Quote: Simargl

, the vulture will soon be removed from the information (ours) about flight tracking.

I apologize, but what was secret or what? Not so long ago I had a chance to chat with a person - he told me that in those days I was sitting at the NIP. Which did not have time to ask. By chance, they caught hold of their tongues ... and they met by chance ... So, he listened with our ears to both ours and the Americans. Well, telemetry, respectively. There was no talk about any secrecy ...
PS There was no point in deceiving him, and there are many specific details ... in general, you will not lie ...

[Simargl]

Quote: region58

There was no talk about any secrecy ...

Let you not believe it.
More precisely, not so ... a person might not have complete information.
And, strangely enough, in the USSR everything was practically secret in a row, which could be important for the military sphere. The Union is still not fully declassified, the East declassified less than 10 years ago.

[region58]

Quote: Simargl

a person may not have complete information.

More than likely. Moreover, according to his words: "Our business was - the information was received, recorded, sent ..." But, you see what kind of thing, almost all the information "from above" went without any encryption. At least conversations and videos for sure. That is, if you have something to take - take it and listen to your health. What exactly they did ... It's a pity the conversation turned out to be short ... but we exchanged phone numbers, you can ask about this topic. And you can ask atalef - he writes in his time at the NPC he served.

[Simargl]

Quote: region58

That is, if there is something to accept

Yeah! So I see plates of 10-20 meters in diameter in the yard of an ordinary Soviet radio amateur.
Do you understand what this is? Talking and talking with satellites is a little easier to listen to, because the satellite’s flight altitude is about 400 km, and the moon -363 104 at perigee - this is three orders of magnitude greater - 1000 times!

Quote: region58

What actually did

I have not heard about amateur recordings of astronaut talks between the Moon and the Earth - only orbital ones.

[region58]

Quote: Simargl

plates of 10-20 meters in diameter in the yard of an ordinary Soviet radio amateur.

And where did I mention ham radio?
PS Although radio amateurs are different. Anyone not at work is an amateur.
PPS It was mentioned that our Americans used the TNA-400 antenna with a mirror diameter of 32 m, which was located in the Crimea, near Simferopol, to track the Americans’ lunar program

[Simargl]

Quote: region58

And where did I mention ham radio?

Quote: region58

That is, if there is something to accept, accept and listen to your health.

Quote: region58

Americans used the TNA-400 antenna to track the lunar program

Do you understand what's the matter? Those who used TNA-400 did it not just "to their health," but at work.
You try to organize your thoughts: the layman could not listen to the signal from the moon (in any case, I don’t know such ones), but everything that the laymen didn’t listen to had a signature stamp that was either removed recently or will be removed soon.

[region58]

Quote: Simargl

the layman could not listen to the signal from the moon

I repeat:

Quote: region58

And where did I mention ham radio?

Do not think for others. Imagination is a limitless thing. If something is not clear - it is better to ask again, otherwise all kinds of problems, understatements, resentments and claims appear.

[Simargl]

Quote: region58

Do not think for others.

I don’t think it over - you provoke it: I argued that using professional equipment to track the landing on the moon by the layman is impossible (in any case, in the USSR).
And even if people followed, then by state order, i.e. at work.
You state:

Quote: region58

Anyone not at work is an amateur.

However, the statement

Quote: region58

That is, if there is something to accept, accept and listen to your health.

It may mean that you believe that you can either use expensive equipment for purposes for which you can get an article, if you do it privately (for the information received and / or misuse of the equipment), or tracking can be carried out on amateur radio equipment.

[Mentor]

There is a book on the net with a long and boring title, something like "Apollo flights to the moon". The cover was stamped "chipboard". Unfortunately, I had it on a sprinkled screw, and then I didn't look for it. There are all flight paths, landing sites and the rest. As I understand it, radio interception and tracking by locators.

[Simargl]

Quote: Mentor

Unfortunately, I had it on a crumbled screw, and then I did not look for it.

It will soon be bigger and easier. In a little spread on the network.
NASA, for example, probably posted all the photos from the missions in high quality. Including those that photograph any garbage (did not work).

Quote: something like this:

www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/

There are still audio recordings, but I was not looking. Everything is worse there: thousands of hours are laid out (recorded by more than one device, and not only negotiations), it is much harder to analyze - it takes a lot of time.

[CALL.]

Quote: Tersky

1. Why? If there are no traces of the Americans on the moon, this will not change anything - the same will be repeated as with the Skripal case.

NASA in the 1960s well understood the impossibility of manned flights to the Moon in the foreseeable future, and therefore decided to falsify lunar missions.
2014 NASA officially recognizes the lack of "lunar" technology. NASA documents on the recently halted Constellation program to return to the Moon by 2020 revealed the fact that, technically, NASA is completely unprepared to send a mission to the Moon with a man. This means that today there is simply nothing to rely on from the famous Apollo program, and until recently this fact was taboo.
Is There Any Hope For A Moon Base? (Is there any hope of finally building a lunar base? - NEXUS Magazine, Australia, 2014, August. Http://www.aulis.com/moonbase2014.htm
The magazine's credo is to search and present "hard-to-find information". The magazine is regularly sold in Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand and the USA.
Here's the translation of this article - http://igor-grek.com/publ/hronos/nasa_no_apollo/8-1-0-7

[Simargl]

Quote: Z.O.V.

NASA ... has decided to fake lunar missions.

Can I link to any reliable information? Just do not need links to the delirium of conspirators.

Quote: Z.O.V.

This means that today there is simply nothing to rely on from the famous Apollo program, and until recently, this fact was taboo.

There is nothing to rely on? Here Hindenburg cannot be repeated, but you are talking about the repetition of Apollo.
The problem is not in the drawings (we have the Energy, but we cannot build it), but in the fact that the technological structure has changed.
Well, they digitized TNA from F-1, and so what? Yes, it turned out that there are so many manual refinements in its design that it is easier to design a new one than to do according to the ancient original. And this is the most verified unit! And so in everything. Those. F-1, if done as is, will be much more expensive than it even cost at that time.
About the absence of lunar technology - nonsense of conspiracy bells! However, then it turns out that we have nothing.
First, there are not just technologies, but 1 - goals, 2 - programs, and only 4 - technologies that are developed for 1, 2 and ... 3 - permissible risks, which are now much lower: earlier it’s a little easier to kill people watched!

Quote: Z.O.V.

The magazine's credo is to search and present "hard-to-find information"

This magazine is like our "UFO": pseudoscientific yellowness.

[Glory1974]

Rogozin also said that today no state is able to implement the lunar program on their own. In its plans for the development of the Earth satellite, Russia will cooperate with the United States.

If they cooperate with the United States, and at their expense, it becomes clear what the result of the check will be. "Of course we flew!"

[Simargl]

Quote: glory1974

it becomes clear what the result of the check will be

There and now satellites fly, take pictures. Check it out.

[Glory1974]

There and now satellites fly, take pictures. Check it out.

And what can you check from the satellite?

[Simargl]

Quote: glory1974

And what can you check from the satellite?

If you can - for example, traces, coordinates, modules themselves. Both Lunokhods, all landing sites, rovers were found.
But for a biased conspirator, this is zilch.

[Glory1974]

If you can - for example, traces, coordinates, modules themselves.

You are probably the most skilled. Because so far no one has found the traces of the Americans on the moon. Except for the corner reflector.

But for a biased conspirator, this is zilch.

Apparently for the believer blindly in any nonsense, the technical capabilities of the satellites do not say anything.

[Simargl]

Quote: glory1974

Until now, no trace of the Americans on the moon has been found.

You are predictable:

Quote: Simargl

Both Lunokhods, all landing sites, rovers were found.
But for a biased conspirator, this is zilch.

Quote: here's a link to the originals

www.lroc.asu.edu/posts/379

[Glory1974]

You are just as predictable. I can give you a thousand links where all these photos are exposed. But it's not about the photo. In the end, the Americans themselves admitted that some of the photos are fake.
The problem is that they cannot explain many things, for example the same space toilet. Therefore, the Chinese announced that they would send a lunar rover to the moon and photograph the landing sites of the Apollo. The United States immediately declared these places banned for research. Suspicious, right?
And here you either ask yourself the question "Why?" or you can truly believe in their infallibility. The choice is yours.

[Simargl]

Quote: glory1974

I can give you a thousand links where all these photos are exposed.

Whether oh! I have already seen these "revelations", which are designed for the dilettante who cannot think.
If you want to discuss these photos - take what the conspiracy flies presented, look for the original, think (you can ask to analyze the photo of a physics teacher), only then make me laugh. Frets?

Quote: glory1974

In the end, the Americans themselves admitted that some of the photos are fake.

Can I specify a source? I know that some retouched for the press. There is a video that dawn in the pavilion, also for the press. By the way, I did not see that video.
"Kubrick's Interview" is a fake: a man with a beard does not even look like there, and the original filming is nowhere to be found - everywhere is blurry, although the technique in 2k + was already at the level.

Quote: glory1974

Therefore, the Chinese announced that they would send a lunar rover to the moon and photograph the landing sites of the Apollo. The United States immediately declared these places banned for research.

You don’t even know what it is about!
The Chinese have nothing to do with it, rather Musk and colleagues in the profitable business, who decided to organize visits to landing sites. Oh well, let the Chinese but! You only read the conspiracy-luch writings that the sources distort. And in the sources the following: the United States demanded not to approach the landing site of Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 (this is the first and last mission), asked not to twist the equipment from the rest (not to break it). So your "sources" are lying.

Quote: glory1974

And here you either ask yourself the question "Why?" or you can truly believe in their infallibility. The choice is yours.

As you already guessed, my choice is the analysis of information.
I warn you the accusation of admiration for zaluzhniki: I don’t care whether they flew or not, but I didn’t get a single even valid proof of conspiracy theorists - everything is designed for “USE victims” (as they say now) who cannot or do not want to check information.

Quote: glory1974

Suspicious, right?

[Glory1974]

I have already seen these "revelations", which are designed for the dilettante who cannot think

These disclosures are printed by former NASA employees. If they are amateurs for you, then I clear my hat .. Are you an academician of the RAS?

I know some are retouched for the press. There is a video that was shot in the pavilion, also for the press.

Seek and find. You can read a feature article here on the site and in the comments there are many links to sites, both "for" and "against".

And in the sources the following: the USA demanded not to approach the landing site of Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 (this is the first and last mission), asked not to twist the equipment from the rest (not to break).

This suggests that you did not read the source. In the original source, everything is extremely clear.

oh I haven’t received any evidence of conspiracy

People whom you contemptuously call "conspiracy theorists" do not ask to prove anything. They ask to explain (among them, by the way, there are also doctors of technical sciences), but no one can explain. Do you feel the difference?
Can you explain if you know everything? I will be very grateful to you, and together with you I will start to laugh at NASA employees, who were the first to start doubting.

[Kawado]

Well, actually sending an unmanned probe to the moon will not be superfluous even now, there’s a cart for him and a small cart, and besides the traces of the Americans.
Well, for one, and make high-quality surface shots. And make basic measurements and studies for the possible sending of astronauts there in the future.
Here to manned flights to the moon as to the moon)))
Well, the Americans themselves have officially admitted that they were not there.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

Well, the Americans themselves have officially admitted that they were not there.

You pass the blizzard of the ignorant as an official statement. Nobody admitted to anything. And the same Peskov (by analogy) can carry anything.

[Kawado]

For what I bought, for what I sell.
Briefly translated as: "How can we fly to Mars if we have not been to the Moon?"
Cited by David Gelernter, Worldnewsdaily.
Which is neither more nor less Advisor to the President of the United States (Trump) on scientific work. He’s a peasant, quite radical scientific views, but quite a real scientist, not Peskov clearly.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

For what I bought, for what I sell.

I repeat again:

Quote: Simargl

You give out a blizzard ignorant for the official statement.

Quote: Kawado

He’s a peasant, quite radical scientific views, but quite a real scientist, not Peskov clearly.

A man is not just radical views - he is still a blockhead. It has nothing to do with NASA. And his words mean less (there) than the words of Peskov (here).

[Kawado]

I find it difficult to determine whether he is knowledgeable or not, is related to NASA or not, but he is quite himself official officerand not a boy from the street.
And he is a scientific adviser, not a spokesperson. How did you so famously compare the significance of his words and those of Peskov? In addition to him, there are many people, including those from NASA, who adhere to the same point of view.
Therefore, to send a probe to the moon and make sure the correctness of certain judgments is not superfluous, especially since there is also a lot of useful work for the probe, i.e. the flight will not be stupid, unlike the Mask dummy.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

I find it difficult to determine if he is knowledgeable or not

Those. You cannot determine competence, but trust? He is a mathematician, programmer. It has nothing to do with NASA programs.

Quote: Kawado

he is quite an official official, and not a boy from the street.

Who said that? This is a private person never been adviser to trump! Surprised ?! But I suggested checking the information!

Quote: Kawado

In addition to him, there are many people, including those from NASA, who adhere to the same point of view.

Who is this? The writer of those documentation who was driven for incompetence ?!

Quote: Kawado

Therefore, to send a probe to the moon and make sure the correctness of certain judgments is not superfluous, especially since there is also a lot of useful work for the probe, i.e. the flight will not be stupid, unlike the Mask dummy.

Therefore, the mission, the purpose of which is to check the occasions, is delirium of the conspirator! And even larger than the dummy Mask, because

Quote: Simargl

There and now satellites fly, take pictures. Check it out.

[Kawado]

Those. You cannot determine competence, but trust? He is a mathematician, programmer. It has nothing to do with NASA programs.
Who said that? This private individual has never been an adviser to Trump! Surprised ?! But I suggested checking the information!

What has nothing to do with it? to Hollywood? Well, yes, maybe))
In principle, it’s violet to me who he is and what he does, it’s written that he’s Trump's adviser on several resources or you need to send agents directly to take photos, and even better get the original documents confirming this?)))

Therefore, the mission, the purpose of which is to check the occasions, is delirium of the conspirator! And even larger than the dummy Mask, because
There and now satellites fly, take pictures. Check it out.

Then I agree, the NASA satellite was already flying there specifically for this purpose, I took good photos, with all the traces, and even there is a flag)))
Let Rogozin launch another one, confirm once again ... it's okay, at the same time we will verify who drew the best.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

In principle, it’s violet to me who he is and what he does, it’s written that he is an adviser to Trump on several resources or you need to send agents directly

There is such a thing ... a lot of conspiracy theorists have bought into this "written" and, as I said, it is designed for people who eat the information without checking. So: this fool, offended by life, has never been an adviser to the president !!! Do you understand? NEVER!!!
Here's how to talk with people like you who believe all fake nonsense, but pass it off as truth ?!
Not only has this gingerbread never been an adviser, there is no information anywhere that he once said such a thing! This is a turn, right?

[Kawado]

For the sake of such a trifle, bother to look for a source and find out whether it is true or not really laziness)
Yes and they were there or not, too.
Each fake has a share of fake. It is better to believe that this programmer is Trump's adviser than that the Americans were on the moon for much less frustration.
But to send a Russian probe to the moon would be nice.

[Simargl]

Yeah ... spit on the facts - the main thing is to believe ...?

[Kawado]

When Rogozin checks, maybe there will be facts.
For those facts that are now, a big question.
So for now everyone has their own faith.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

So for now everyone has their own faith.

Faith is something nasty from science.
There are photos from the satellites of the moon. Learn science, study pictures, analyze yourself. Can you believe or trust other specialists.

Quote: Kawado

When Rogozin checks, maybe there will be facts

For people like you - no! You are militants the ignoramus. Moreover, Rogozin has sold out: he will attend a lecture at NASA, either at Rice University or at Cornell University, which is part of the elite Ivy League.
So everything that Rogozin says after this is not better for you than what Leonov said.
You consistently make the mistakes of the conspiracy bells I predicted.

Quote: glory1974

Suspicious, right?

Not tired?

[Kawado]

Faith is something nasty from science.
There are photos from the satellites of the moon. Learn science, study pictures, analyze yourself. You can believe or trust other specialists.

what specifically to analyze and study independently?)))
what pictures? from the Internet? and the same videos? I pathologically do not trust digital copies.
you need real material to study on your own.
And to study NASA images from the Internet (!), As a confirmation of the NASA expedition, it is somehow not smart. Moreover, they are incorrectly drawn.
What specific sciences should be studied to believe in a lunar expedition?

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

what specifically to analyze and study independently?

Primary sources. This is not jaundice from conspirators.

Quote: Kawado

I pathologically do not trust digital copies.

Be treated for pathology.
It so happened that for 25-30 years they have not been carrying film from orbit.

Quote: Kawado

you need real material to study on your own.

Real material is posted on the official websites of the operators. I gave links.

Quote: Kawado

And to study NASA images from the Internet (!), As a confirmation of the NASA expedition, it is somehow not smart.

Sure, not a problem! Get permission to work with films (if it's the Apollo program), go to the USA, work. I’m afraid that the chances that they will fill you with soil are higher (but the last one is also below the statistical error).
In any case, the quality of the photo is 12-16 megapixels (according to my links - roughly the same resolution for the Apollo) for an ordinary person is enough: without special. equipment from the film does not remove more information. The pictures were provided by an official source, the best ones could not be found, unless some were taken separately, for some purposes.

Quote: Kawado

Moreover, they are incorrectly drawn.

DRAWED?!
These conspiratorians are drawing something there. Study first, then criticize.

Quote: Kawado

What specific sciences should be studied to believe in a lunar expedition?

To be surprised at the stupidity of the "evidence" provided by conspiracy theorists, general physics is enough (this is the one in school). A little astronomy (school course ... or not?)). Logic (how can it be without it?) ...
Well, general erudition will not hurt.

[Kawado]

Primary sources. This is not jaundice from conspirators.

yeah, so they will be given. Have to be satisfied with the official website of NASA digital copies.

Be treated for pathology.
It so happened that for 25-30 years they have not been carrying film from orbit.

"digital copies from an analogue" is not originally "digital material", besides, in this case we are talking about 60 years ago, not 30. By the way, about fresh images from the Apollo module orbit, if there is a link to a high-quality image, it would be very interesting to look at.

Real material is posted on the official websites of the operators. I gave links.

Which operators? Who are they? If there are links, give a link to them. It is interesting to see.

In any case, the quality of the photo is 12-16 megapixels (according to my links - roughly the same resolution for the Apollo) for an ordinary person is enough: without special. equipment from the film does not remove more information. The pictures were provided by an official source, the best ones could not be found, unless some were taken separately, for some purposes.

There are no questions on the photos from Apollo, mostly questions on the video. Quality in numbers is not expressed only in resolution, but also in the form of digitization.

what are DRAWED ?!
These conspiratorians are drawing something there. Study first, then criticize.

In any case, there are such suspicions, some details do not match (in those photos that I saw).

To be surprised at the stupidity of the "evidence" provided by conspiracy theorists, general physics is enough (this is the one in school). A little astronomy (school course ... or not?)). Logic (how can it be without it?) ...
Well, general erudition will not hurt.

As for the "evidence" I would not scatter such loud expressions, because there is no special evidence there either, but there are quite reasonable doubts for themselves.
General physics is a loose concept, especially a school one.
Astronomy? I'm not sure that astronomy is somehow sideways here, although of course the questions "about missing stars" can be attributed to it, but the presence or absence of stars can be safely attributed to the features of the applied optics, so I didn't even bother with this topic.

P.S. the point is that I'm not looking for evidence of a conspiracy theory, I'm looking for evidence of the expedition to the moon itself. For a hell of a lot of "conspiracy theorists" have divorced and there are many questions for which there are not always complete answers.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

yeah, so they will be given. Have to be satisfied with the official website of NASA digital copies.

You will not believe, but they will, because this heritage is declared public property. However, you must confirm the qualifications and indicate a worthy goal, because the originals are already old and in one copy.

Quote: Kawado

"digital copies from analogue" is not originally "digital material", in addition, in this case we are talking about 60 years ago, not 30.

If about satellites, then this is less than 30 years. You can only check them at the moment.

Quote: Kawado

By the way, about fresh images from the orbit of the Apollo module, if there is a link to a high-quality image, it would be very interesting to look.

I gave the link: www.lroc.asu.edu/posts/379 You can’t even go higher ... the digitized Apollo is also higher.

Quote: Kawado

In any case, there are such suspicions, some details do not match (in those photos that I saw).

There are amateur suspicions based on material of incomprehensible origin ... isn’t it funny?

Quote: Kawado

As for the "evidence" I would not scatter such loud expressions, because there is no special evidence there either, but there are quite reasonable doubts for themselves.

Your logic is either childish or female. There is no special evidence, but there is doubt. At the same time, I try to explain that most of the doubts are removed by the school course of physics.

Quote: Kawado

General physics is a loose concept, especially a school one.

She can only be school. Learn.

Quote: Kawado

Astronomy? I'm not sure that astronomy is here somehow sideways,

Yeah ... we are talking about space, and astronomy is on the side ...

Quote: Kawado

the presence or absence of stars can be safely attributed to the features of the applied optics

Well, as much as you can ... Do you see stars during the day? And how do astronomers see them during the day? These are questions of astronomy, if that ... and physics ...

Quote: Kawado

I'm looking for evidence of the moon expedition itself

. I will give her text in full.

Quote: The Pravda newspaper on July 22, 1969. The article "Earthlings on the Moon"

The take-off stage of the lunar cabin with two astronauts on board launched from the surface of the moon.

This happened at 20 hours 54 minutes. by Moscow time. After entering the lunar orbit and maneuvering, the cockpit should enter the orbit of the main Apollo 11 unit and dock with it.

Estimated docking time is 00.26 minutes. July 22, 1969 (Moscow time).

At 15 hours 11 minutes Washington time on Sunday, July 20, cosmonauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin separated the lunar compartment from the command compartment, in which Michael Collins remained, and began an independent flight.

After about 56 minutes, they turned on the braking engine and transferred the lunar compartment to the trajectory to the landing site. One of the most important phases of the Apollo 11 flight program began.

Even looking at the TV screen, you feel the tension that swept the space center in Houston. The lunar compartment is rapidly declining. He first flies, as it were, on his stomach, with steel spider legs forward. The astronauts lie in their niche face down. Then the cabin gradually takes a horizontal position. The astronauts report that everything is normal on board. Communication with them does not stop. Armstrong's distant voice is heard:

- Decreasing in accordance with the plan. 20 kilometers to the surface of the moon ... 18 ... 15 ...

A few minutes remain before landing.

“A thousand feet!” - the controller exclaims at the command post in Houston. - 1500 feet! .. 100 feet! ..

“40 feet left,” Armstrong reports from the lunar compartment. - The engine raises clouds of dust from the surface of the moon. We see our own shadow.

How will the moon meet them? Will the lunar cabin fall to one side? Instruments in Houston record the pulse of astronauts: Aldrin has 130 beats per minute, Armstrong has 150.

- The engine is off! - A noticeably excited Armstrong voice is heard. - Sit down!

There is a pause. The clock hand shows a quarter past five (Washington time).

Armstrong Voice:

- Hello, Houston! This is the Sea of ​​Tranquility base. The Eagle (codename for the lunar compartment) has sat down!

“You made everyone in Houston turn green with excitement,” they say from Earth. - Now we took a breath. I inform you that now everyone has a smile on their faces.

“Keep in mind, there are also two smiles on the moon,” Armstrong jokes.

“Don't forget another one in space,” comes Michael Collins's voice from the cockpit of the command compartment. Collins asks to inform him about everything that happens in the landing area.

The Eagle landed about four miles from its target in the southwestern part of the Sea of ​​Tranquility. Judging by the further stories of the astronauts, the landing was not easy.

“We descended directly onto a crater the size of a football field,” Armstrong reported 5 minutes after landing. “There were a lot of huge stones around. I had to switch to manual control to select another place for landing.

A few minutes later, looking through the window, Aldrin gave the first description of the area in which the lunar compartment sat:

- Around a whole collection of gray stones of various shapes. What kind of stones are not here!

Standing at another porthole, Armstrong continued his description of the landing area:

- This is a relatively flat surface with many craters from 5 to 50 feet in diameter. A row of stone ridges 20-30 feet high. Thousands of small craters 1-2 feet in diameter. In front of us are several shafts 2 feet high. In the distance is a hill. Before it can be half a mile or a mile.

At the request of the astronauts, the Houston Space Center agreed to shorten their rest time and allowed them to leave the lunar compartment on the lunar surface several hours earlier than was planned.

Late in the evening, Washington time (in Moscow it was early morning on July 21), the astronauts began to depressurize the cockpit. Instead of the 15 minutes required by the plan, it took more than an hour. On the radio, Armstrong and Aldrin talked to each other, examining and checking on each other the spacesuits, helmets and life support systems that are placed in the satchel on their backs. Finally, Armstrong's voice is heard:

- Ready to go to the surface.

The hatch opens, but the astronauts are in no hurry. They need to get comfortable. A minute passes, another.

“Starting out,” Armstrong reports.

Aldrin helps him to crawl on his knees to the hatch. The astronaut begins a slow, cautious descent along a 9-step ladder to the surface of the moon. On the way down, he opens another hatch, which stores tools, cellophane bags for the lunar soil, a special spatula for working on the soil and a television camera. Edwin Aldrin turns on the camera from inside the cabin, and the image transmitted from the moon appears on the TV screen. It’s hard to make out anything in the first minute. Then we understand that we see the lunar surface and the stairs of the lunar cabin. The image is not very clear, as if in a fog.

Suddenly, we see a person's foot stepping on a step. Here is the second leg. Armstrong descends to face the cockpit. On the last step, he stops and "tries" the ground with his left foot. Now he is already standing on the lunar surface, without taking his right hand off the ladder.

He takes the first step, a small step, cautious and uncertain.

The right hand is still on the stairs. But the first step has been taken. And we hear the words of the astronaut, the first words of a man on the moon:

- One small step of man is a huge step of mankind.

Armstrong walks away from the cab. His movements resemble the movements of a diver on the seabed. And he himself in his spacesuit looks like a diver. Behind him is the rope held by Aldrin, who remains in the cabin. This is in case of surprises.



... Now, the astronauts are resting inside the lunar cabin. Tomorrow is no less stressful day.

Quote: Kawado

many questions for which there are not always full answers

The problem of conspirators (and militant ignoramuses) is that they do not want or cannot listen.

[Kawado]

You will not believe, but they will givebecause this heritage is declared public property. However, you must confirm the qualifications and indicate a worthy goal, because the originals are already old and in one copy.

They will, of course, because "ladies are divided into ladies and ladies but not to you")))
total, you need to lay out a bunch of dough, provide a bunch of waste paper, etc. etc. and there it will be seen ...
But to lay out original materials with a description of the equipment and shooting parameters is certainly not fate.

I gave the link: www.lroc.asu.edu/posts/379 You can’t even go higher ... the digitized Apollo is also higher.

There are amateur suspicions based on material of incomprehensible origin ... isn’t it funny?

black and white photo 600 * 600 pixels ... and even with distortion in scale. I have already seen this "material of unknown origin" - nothing new.
For information: when transferring a photo to b / w, almost all traces of "photoshop" are lost.
And "this" in your opinion should be religiously believed? Where are the color photos? Or at NASA they basically shoot in b / w, probably such an artistic style or color film, sorry, there is no color sensor?
They also lack color photos of the Apollo 17 expedition themselves, and the black and white ones displayed are painted in FS (nothing criminal of course, it looks very beautiful and stylish).

I will give her text in full.

Thank. Is not a fact.

Well, as much as you can ... Do you see stars during the day? And how do astronomers see them during the day? These are questions of astronomy, if that ... and physics ...

Very thick. I see the stars during the day, and even more so astronomers. This of course can be summed up under "Astronomy" and "Physics", but why? you can call it simpler "science" - you have to use fewer concepts and the meaning will not change.
So why are there no stars in the photographs? what is the "astronomy" of this effect?)))

[Kawado]

I will give her text in full.

The main, and the most compelling fact of the confirmation of the lunar mission, today is the original recording on a film carrier, where the fact of the simultaneous fall of a hammer and a pen is removed. According to a number of sources, the recording was seen by many experts personally, the film has no visible signs of interference, and the recording itself has no obvious signs of editing. However, the quality and parameters of the image on the record raise questions, and naturally no one will give this film to an independent examination.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

black and white photo 600 * 600 pixels

What is this nonsense ?!

Quote: Kawado

Where are the color photos?

Quote: if you don’t find here ...

www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/sets/72157658976934006

Quote: Kawado

Color photos of the Apollo 17 expedition itself are also missing from them, and the exposed b / w are painted in FS

Quote: If this photo is already painted, I don’t know what to talk about!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21057465044/in/album-72157658976934006/

Quote: Kawado

So in the end, why are there no stars in the photographs?

Your problem is that you never took at least a DSLR, otherwise you didn’t ask such stupid questions.
But the easiest option is to open the window at night (so that there is no doubt about the reflection from the glass) and take a picture of something against its background.
Learn the concepts of luminosity (for the subject) and dynamic range (for the camera and film)

Quote: If you do not understand why I showed these photos - there is nothing to talk about with you ...

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Description here: farbspiel-photo.com/learn/hdr-before-and-after/hdr-vertorama-before-and-after-ceremonial-room

[Kawado]

What is this nonsense ?!

what I found by reference

Quote: If this photo is already painted, I don’t know what to talk about!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21057465044/in/album-72157658976934006/

Thank you, but it’s blocked on the working computer ((But at home I’ll look, study ... unsubscribe

Your problem is that you have never photographed at least DSLRotherwise they didn’t ask such stupid questions.

DSLR? Wasn't it easier to write "not in automatic mode"? what does the design of the viewfinder have to do with it?

If you can’t figure out why I showed these photos ...

So I did not understand why these photos)))
the concept of "dynamic range" was sufficient, photos and links were superfluous.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

what I found by reference

I think I took the first one. There are from 5 to 16 megapixels, except for previews.

Quote: Kawado

Thank you, but it’s blocked on the working computer

You need to work at work.

Quote: Kawado

where does the viewfinder design come in?

A type of camera that can be operated in manual mode. Soap dishes are not "hand". True, I haven't been following the topic for 10 years ...

Quote: Kawado

So I did not understand why these photos)))
the concept of "dynamic range" was sufficient, photos and links were superfluous.

Come on! Many do not understand. And the example reduces misunderstanding ... I hope.
And, since we "beat" on the wall, and not in private, this is not only for you.

[Kawado]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/21057465044/in/album-72157658976934006/

The photos create the impression of the original, despite the fact that this photo from the image of the projector is quite high quality, well shot. Actually, if they are ever digitized from the negative, which is not difficult at all today, then doubts will disappear for sure.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

if they ever digitize from the negative

They are digitized from the negative. Specially left flanges from the film.
Digitized not the first time.

[Kawado]

this is not digitization for sure, 100%.
This is specifically a snapshot of a digital camera from the projector screen, it can be seen with the naked eye. (Of course, it can also be called "digitization", physically it is, but there is one nuance, additional light falls between the sensor and the image)
And by the way, on some frames there are stars, albeit not explicitly, but pulled out by filters (on photos that are taken from the sun (when the sun is behind). Very similar to the truth.
Probably recently published, not all pictures, there are still from the same series provided by NASA.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

And by the way, on some frames there are stars

Can not be!
You want to say that conspirators use photos with a narrowed dynamic range (old scans, 100500 times reformatted and reloaded from format to format and from size to size) ?!

Quote: Kawado

This is specifically a digital camera shot from the projector screen, it is visible to the naked eye.

When digitizing a photo, the frame is always visible if you do not crop it (I'm talking about 36 mm). And the air gap between the film and the scanner glass is required - 1-2 mm, usually.

[Kawado]

Can not be!

it may well be, if you remove the glare when photographing from a flat image of the projector, since now it is quite problematic to guarantee that these are stars or some kind of "garbage".

You want to say that conspirators use photos with a narrowed dynamic range (old scans, 100500 times reformatted and reloaded from format to format and from size to size) ?!

I do not know what conspiracy flies are used there))

When digitizing a photo, the frame is always visible if you do not crop it (I'm talking about 36 mm).

the frame is not film-like or even slide-like, but a camera (that is, it is something inside or on the camera, most likely some kind of glued filter or protective glass) because it is exactly the same on all photos, 100% coincidence.

[Simargl]

Quote: Kawado

the frame is not film or even slide, but a camera

Have you digitalized films?
There, the frame is not captured to the point of perforation, if necessary.

[Alf]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

And what is it all so excited against Rogozin?

Now let him fly first, and then tell, and his tales are already like powdered stories.

[Simargl]

Quote: Alf

Let it fly first

If you only check, then only at your own expense

[PalBor]

That's it, which moon ...

[Own]

And who is Musk? Isn't that the swindler (head of a subsidiary (purely fake)) of NASA? Isn't that the painter who mumbles on NASA's ships the XSpace inscription that supposedly sits on his ass?

[CERBERFOL]

Surely the coordinates of the landing, these are the coordinates of some sort of crater.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

And what is it all so excited against Rogozin? I am glad, for example, that finally the only sensible suggestion from his company was to check for the lice of amers.

It turns out that over the past 50 years there was no time to check?

[SHURUM -BURUM]

It turns out that over the past 50 years there was no time to check?
The country dealt with other important issues. At that time, we had a monstrous lag in the number of millionaires and a complete deficit of billionaires. Now there are billionaires, but for some reason there is no joy ... in space too. Why wave a nuclear club and threaten to send everyone to heaven when it is possible to make the Americans shoot themselves in shame? And we will be better without paradise

[astepanov]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

And what is it all so excited against Rogozin?

And you yourself think: first Olegych will fly to check if there were mattresses on the moon. Then the mattresses will check whether Olegich was on the moon. Then Olegitch will check, ... well, you understand. And a new space race will begin, the depletion of the budget and the famine in Ukraine - the latter just in case. Do we need it?
By the way, does Olegitch know that the moon is far away?

[Oleg14774]

And what is it all so excited against Rogozin?
Specialists both know and knew from the very beginning that the Americans were not there. Literate students know that the Van Alen belt cannot be overcome, and blabla at the expense of the development and construction of the lunar base is a fairy tale for delitants for cutting the budget.

[voyaka uh]

"Literate schoolchildren know that the Van Allen belt cannot be overcome" ////
----
And the most literate students believe that the Earth is flat. Their discussions are only about what shape the edge of the Earth is: round or multifaceted?

[Tank jacket]

And Putin said that radiation away from the earth is the first enemy of all life in far space.

[region58]

Quote: voyaka uh

They only discuss what shape the edge of the Earth

And what about elephants and whales, not a word? They are in vain ... The elephant is a useful animal ...

[Tarhan]

"Next to this information from Rogozin, another piece of news, this time from the Accounts Chamber:
...
Roscosmos became the record holder for the scale of financial irregularities.
.... the state corporation revealed irrational spending, violations of financial discipline, procurement procedures are carried out with violations and at inflated prices. Several billion are simply lost - that is, in fact, stolen. "

[astepanov]

Quote: Oleg14774

Literate students know that the Van Alen belt cannot be overcome, and blabla at the expense of the development and construction of the lunar base is a fairy tale for delitants for cutting the budget.

Literate schoolchildren know that in this case "we cannot overcome" is written together, and the word "delitant" is written like this: amateur. Maybe you're confused with a delicacy? And by the way, do you think that Korolev, building H-1, was going to send people to certain death? Or did he not know of its existence? Why didn’t you tell him on time?

[Letun]

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

Sit very close to the place that Hollywood chose and thoroughly examine and document.

Do you really need it? Just when the fact of the flight to the moon by the Americans is confirmed by this method, what will you and others like you write in the comments? Although I know what, write that Americans bought our specialists, and again put a photo and video from Hollywood

[renics]

Quote: Thrall

Well, or right away they’ll take from the clowns ...

Are there few of them in the state? Cosmonaut Sergei Ryazansky commented on the words of the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin about the stay of the Americans on the moon. At the moment, no state is able to implement the lunar program alone, so Russia expects to cooperate with the United States in this area. But after this, the astronaut refuted what he said that he had no doubt in the fact of the landing of the Americans on the moon. That being said, started for health, finished for peace.

[Simargl]

Quote: renics

At the moment no state is able to implement the lunar program alone

Quote: renics

that does not doubt the fact of the landing of the Americans on the moon.

Where did he refute himself?
At the moment, no - this is, oddly enough, in the realities of today. And it so happened that the program of the first stage, i.e. a test of opportunities was carried out half a century ago, and now there will be a stage of commercial development, if they find it appropriate.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Rogozin urgently needs a psychiatrist. Missiles fall, find holes in spaceships. The philologist as the head of Roscosmos is the death of Russian cosmonautics.

[Machito]

Rogozin would be better off doing business.
With tongue, he is a master.

[gsev]

In the tradition of German designers, it is necessary to practice a lot of detailing before you are instructed to do the layout. It seems Rogozin began to lead the designers without trying himself either in detail or in the layout. It seems that grinding his tongue is his profession and vocation. In this, he is in his own business. Musk, before criticizing the Thai rescuers, developed a preliminary layout of the transport submarine. But when he heard a competent assessment of his sketch from these rescuers, he publicly admitted stupidity his assessment of their work. Although against the background of Chinese and North Korean designers, Musk, like Rogozin, is more successful in working with the language, but begins to lag behind in design.

[210ox]

Is Rogozin a designer? He is a "supervisor", and without the necessary skills.

[prapor55]

Will he be able to get the necessary skills if he checks Roscosmos or not?

[NordUral]

And for me, it would be better to remember that he was kind of a journalist and would do writing.

[Alf]

Quote: NordUral

And for me, it would be better to remember that he was kind of a journalist and would do writing.

There is great competition and there is no hairy paw behind his back.

[NEXUS]

Quote: NordUral

And for me, it would be better to remember that he was kind of a journalist and would do writing.

He scribbles posts on Twitter.
By the way, trolling about whether or not there were mattresses on the moon is very dull. Rogozin would have learned from Lavrov how to subtly and witty troll the West.

[Tersky]

Quote: NEXUS

Rogozin would learn from Lavrov,

Not, , far from him to Lavrov, not the size. Even The Washington Post recognized Lavrov as a "geopolitical troll."

[NEXUS]

Quote: Tersky

No, far from him to Lavrov, not the size. Even The Washington Post recognized Lavrov as a "geopolitical troll."

Vitya, I am amazed at how much, excuse me, de @ yma fed the USA in the post-Soviet space that it popped out of all the cracks. Everyone lived in the USSR, received the best education in the world for FREE, were treated for FREE, lived happily and calmly ... I watched one video today with the comments of foreigners ... you know, I was hooked by one comment, it sounds like this-SOVIET UNION, BACK! YOU NEED US!

[Proxima]

Quote: Bearded

Rogozin would be better off doing business.
With tongue, he is a master.

When you ask all lunar conspiracy theorists an elementary question: but name at least one rocket-space specialist who denies landing on the moon, then all at once they got water into their mouths. Now they finally got a “specialist" - Rogozin

[renics]

Quote: Proxima

and name at least one rocket-space specialist who denies landing on the moon,

Please give an example where these questions were asked or asked? I am very curious!

[Proxima]

Quote: renics

Quote: Proxima

and name at least one rocket-space specialist who denies landing on the moon,

Please give an example where these questions were asked or asked? I am very curious!

In all forums, including thematic ones. The fact that you are curious is welcome .... Then can you name a specialist? I will be very grateful to you !!! Have a good laugh!

[renics]

Quote: Proxima

Then can you name a specialist?

It is you who initiate such an affirmation and to shift to me the interpretation of events that are based on your beliefs is not reasonable and especially stupid. If there are no facts, then there is nothing to tryndet similar comments.

[Topgun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h74-iysEbmI
the first video that was googled, didn’t even have to search ...
and you can at least someone who would work in Roskosmos or the Ministry of General Engineering (USSR) quote where he says that they did not fly?

[Proxima]

Quote: renics

Quote: Proxima

Then can you name a specialist?

It is you who initiate such an affirmation and to shift to me the interpretation of events that are based on your beliefs is not reasonable and especially stupid. If there are no facts, then there is nothing to tryndet similar comments.

Now turn on the brain! There are many studies that unequivocally claim that the lower the level of intelligence in a person, the more he believes in lunar conspiracy theology and vice versa !! What can I prove to you in one post? I recommend that you simply read about the Apollo program from open sources and if you have the courage, study the forerunner program, where Armstrong and others trained in Earth orbit - this is Gemini. Advice to you, do not read cheap conspiracy therapists. This is an entire industry, designed for people like you. I wish you success in learning!

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Proxima

this is Gemini.

http://www.manonmoon.ru/articles/st103.htm

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Proxima

and call at least one rocket-space specialist who denies landing on the moon, then all at once, as if they took water into their mouths

At this time, the high party-state commission headed by the president of the USSR Academy of Sciences M.V. worked at the cosmodrome. Keldysh.

I cannot but recall in this connection the conversation of three outstanding people (members of this commission), of which I became an involuntary witness. Quite unexpectedly, for all of us who were preparing for the launch, three members of this commission appeared in MIK - Keldysh himself, and with him Korolev and Chelomei. They appeared without any accompaniment, apparently continuing the heated debate that had begun somewhere. Particularly excited, shaking his gray hair Mstislav Vsevolodovich Keldysh, pushing Sergei Pavlovich Korolev:

“Here a man is apparently working. Here is one of his products (we are talking about UR-100). Vladimir Nikolaevich, it seems, you promised to hand him over to the military in the fall? He threw, turning to Chelomei, the third of those present. Chelomei nodded in agreement. “This is another of his products,” he nodded at the bulk of Proton. “Already next year he is going to test his seven hundred. Where is your H-1? Where? Where did the money allotted to you on the ship go? Yes, you played the 110th site for yourself. The roof of your MIK, they say, can even be seen from the station (Turatam railway station, N.L.). But what is not visible is your results. If things go on like this, Brown will not only catch up with us, but also be the first on the Moon. ”

“Well, that is out of the question,” said Korolev, and stared at the Proton in front of him. “He decided to create a super engine for 700-800 tons of traction on cryogenic fuel components. LET'S SURROUNDED UNTIL THEY STRIKE THE WALL. WE HAVE ALREADY PASSED THIS. ”

“Well, if we are mistaken, and he will be able to overcome this threshold?”

"How? Will you wave your fingers in front of your nose? Do not make me laugh.

For a significant part of the specialists of the Tyur-Tam training ground, the fact that the Americans did NOT FLY to the Moon was an open secret. There were two reasons for this conclusion. The first, both theoretical and practical IMPOSSIBILITY of creating a single-chamber engine (F1) with a thrust of 700 tons. Korolev talked about this (see above), all missile practitioners knew about it. In a huge chamber there are clumps of unburned fuel mixture (like "explosive gas"), which burn out not evenly, but as if with microexplosions. With huge linear dimensions, detonation occurs in the engine, which enters into resonance, which destroys the engine body.

Major Nikolaev, the commander of the combat crew of the so-called "Gagarinsky" launch, which is located on the rocket-test site No. 2 of the Baikonur cosmodrome, and in the 60s, launched all of our cosmonauts of those years, expressing a common opinion, without hesitation, said publicly: “When the news came about the flight of the Americans to the moon, all gophers died of laughter on Baikonur, as the Saturn-5 rocket is nothing more than a myth. Even when comparing its characteristics with those of the royal N-1 and Chelomeevskaya UR-700, our variants of lunar carriers, it is clear that we are dealing with a simple layout, and not with something real. " Telemetrists also joined the opinion of the starters.

Quotes from the book by N.V. Lebedev "From the memoirs of a rocketman"

[Topgun]

from the opera "one friend told me" can you give specific quotes from specialists? everything they said officially - everything is documented, in most cases there are audio recordings ...
For example, I can easily find authoritative people to find videos that say they were on the moon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h74-iysEbmI

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Topgun

from the opera "One friend told me"

Nikolai Viktorovich Lebedev

From 1964 to 1967, he served at the Tyuratam test rocket range (NIIP-5), first in the 311st missile regiment, in the engine group that tested the engines of the UR-100 and UR-200 rockets (UR-200 is one of the steps of the Proton ”And at the same time an independent combat missile), then in the support (support) group of missile launches in the Main Directorate of the training range. Note: Baikonur is called only that part of the Tyura-Tam training ground on which the Queen’s "farm" was located. The farms of Yangel and Chelomei were not included in Baikonur.

If the words of a person who directly participated in the events of the late 60s mean nothing, then Grechko’s words also mean nothing to me, because he is a military man and will say what is needed
Then maybe the opinion of these people will suit you

12.12.1966g.
CPSU CENTRAL COMMITTEE
Secretary General Brezhnev L.I.

To carry out the landing of astronauts on the moon in the United States, a Saturn-5 launch vehicle with the Apollo spacecraft is being developed. The implementation of this flight is expected according to NASA forecasts in 1968-69. with a significant probability of completion in 1968. But, according to our intelligence and practice of all of our design work, the F-1 liquid propellant rocket engine has serious problems due to practically unrecoverable high-frequency and low-frequency oscillations. All attempts to create an analogue of the F-1 have failed.


Therefore, in the USSR, for the solution of this problem, an N-1 carrier with an L-3 spaceship is being developed. In the process of implementing this project, a number of serious difficulties were identified, of which the delay in the development of reliable engines for both the carrier and the spacecraft was decisive. For three stages of the N-1 carrier and the first stage of the L-3 ship, engines have been developed at OKB-276 for a long series of years (for 40 tons of thrust since 1959, for 150 tons of thrust since 1961). During this time, about 600 starts of engines with a thrust of 40 tons and about 300 starts of engines with a thrust of 150 tons were carried out. However, at present, the percentage of emergency starts of these engines at the stand is 20-30%. These statistics indicate that considerable time is still required for final engine refinement, which is difficult to evaluate. The engines of the last two stages of L-3 (blocks I and E) are in the initial stage of development.

In connection with the foregoing, there is a threat that the United States will go to falsify manned flights to the moon and NASA will land two astronauts on the moon conditionally on television. In this case, the subsequent landing of one astronaut on the moon using the H-1-L-3 system can be considered as evidence of the lag of the USSR in competition with the United States in the development of rocketry only from the point of view of ideology and the media. Unfortunately, if Saturn-5 type rockets successfully take off and put some satellites into Earth’s orbit, it will be extremely difficult for us to challenge the priority, since there is no full-fledged tracking system for spacecraft in flight to the Moon in the USSR and it is hardly possible to make it guaranteed one hundred percent. Here, the solution to the problem lies entirely on the shoulders of the Central Committee of the CPSU and its higher organs, especially in terms of exposing false attempts by NASA to fly to the moon - we responsibly declare to you that the United States is not capable of sending a person to the moon over the next ten to fifteen years. It’s possible that it’s better for us to send machine guns to the moon first.

It should also be noted that the boosting of Saturn-5, which has been repeatedly carried out in the United States in recent years, has not led to the creation of a significant increase in the carrying capacity of carriers N-1 (design 95 tons in orbit of the satellite) and Saturn-5 (about 130 tons). Real numbers are 45 and 65 tons, respectively. The creation of a modified carrier N-1 on liquid hydrogen with a carrying capacity of 130 tons or more, virtually collapsed at NASA and the United States.

Considering the above, a group of chief designers (Chelomey, Glushko, Barmin, V.I. Kuznetsov) a year ago (from 15.10.65) submitted to the Ministry of General Engineering a proposal for the development of the UR-700 launch vehicle with the LK-700 spacecraft, more successfully solving the problem of reaching the moon by astronauts and questions of further competition with the United States in space exploration.


There is no reason for haste — America lags in many directions and often bluffs. Let us systematically develop our lunar program. We will win the moon race.


Yours faithfully! Chelomey V.N., Barmin V.P., Kuznetsov V.I., Izotov S.P., Likhushin V.Ya., Glushko V.P., Sergeyev V.T., Konopatov A.D., Isaev AM , PUKHOV V.A.

[Topgun]

attention to the question: where are the dear people here "CHELOMEY V.N., BARMIN V.P., KUZNETSOV V.I., IZOTOV S.P., LIKHUSHIN V.Ya., GLUSHKO V.P., SERGEEV V.T., A. D. Konopatov, A. Isaev, V. A. Pukhov say the Americans didn't fly to the moon?
if this document is forged? then we are talking about development, there is competition and they "calm down" the authorities, they say, let's get the money, we can get ahead of them, where is the denial of the Americans' flight to the moon? you know that there is a whole cloud of a station for tracking objects that take off into space and then in space, in the USSR they saw everything and there is not a single one (once again, NOT A SINGLE OFFICIAL statement of at least someone involved in astronautics who would deny the flight)

[Rurikovich]

Well, if for you future academicians Chelomei and Glushko are not authorities, then I

Quote: Topgun

you know that there is a whole cloud of tracking station for objects that take off into space and then in space, in the USSR you have seen everything and there’s not a single one (once again, NOT ONE OFFICIAL statement of anyone involved in astronautics who would deny the flight)

We understand

In August 2005, an interesting article [4] appeared in the journal "Cosmonautics News" titled "We" saw "how the Americans sat on the moon ... an article by 30-year-old events participant E.P. Molotov finally closes the ridiculous question" Were are Americans on the moon? ” E.P. Molotov - specialist of the Russian Research Institute of Space Instrument Engineering, at that time NII-885 (Moscow). Here are brief excerpts from this article:

“The Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee, D.F.Ustinov, who oversaw the country's defense industry, at the end of 1967 instructed the chief designer of NII-885, M.S. Ryazansky, to develop a radio engineering complex that could receive signals from Apollo ships.

M.S. Ryazansky at that time was responsible for the creation of radio-technical controls for the spacecraft of the Soviet lunar program. Under his leadership, to control the Soviet manned and automatic spacecraft for the exploration of the moon, the ground control complex was created, which included two flight control centers, six ground and three ship control centers equipped with appropriate tracking stations located on the territory of the Soviet Union and at certain points Oceans. However, these tools could not be used to receive information from the Apollo ships, since they worked in a different frequency range with signals having a different structure. Therefore, it was necessary to create a special control complex capable of receiving data from the Apollo.

A complex was created on the basis of the TNA-400 antenna with a mirror diameter of 32 m, operating in the range of 13 cm (ill. 1a). The antenna pattern covered almost half of the moon’s disk.

In order to track ships during their flight in orbits around the moon and when landing on its surface, it was necessary to have data from these orbits. However, such information was not published by the Americans. Therefore, the data on flight orbits was calculated by ballistics based on the time of launch and arrival of Apollo ships to the moon, which were reported on American radio.

The tracking was conducted for the ships A-8, A-10, A-11 and A-12 from December 1968 to November 1969. Telephone conversations of astronauts with the Earth were received with good quality. Figure 1b shows the image of the Earth’s sunrise over the lunar horizon, taken on a television channel from one of the Apollo ships.

The lunar expedition A-8 in December 1968 carried out the first manned flight to the moon. The flight of A-11 with access to the surface of the moon on July 20, 1969, N. Armstrong and E. Aldrin, finally stopped the competition for landing a man on the moon. Information about the creation and functioning of the Soviet special control radio complex has not been published before. ”

Here are the conclusions that can be drawn from this article:

read on in my next comment

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Rurikovich

in my next comment

continue

1. The article clearly states that the existing described E.P. Molotov’s tracking system for Soviet spacecraft turned out to be useless for tracking Apollo. According to Molotov himself, "these funds could not be used to receive information from the Apollo ships, since they worked in a different frequency range with signals having a different structure." And the hastily created station in the Crimea, due to its loneliness, was unable to provide continuous tracking of the Apollo;

2. From the passage “data on flight orbits was calculated by ballistics based on the time of launch and arrival of the Apollo ships that were reported on American radio to the moon,” it follows that “ours” did not record the fact that the Apollos left the Earth’s orbit towards the Moon and did not follow the movement of the Apollo along the Earth-Moon. Because, if fixed, there would be no need to use American radio messages to calculate the orbit.

Thus, the fact of the Apollo’s departure from near-Earth orbit to the Moon and the entire flight from Earth to the Moon remained completely unconfirmed by our means. So to the fundamental question, whether the Apollo flew to the Moon or not, nothing can be said after the results of such “tracking”. And this is called "followed the entire flight of the Americans with their equipment" [1].

3. Maybe EP Molotova pushed a muddy picture (ill. 1a) to his decisive conclusions? Then it’s worth recalling that the first image of the Earth’s sunrise over the lunar horizon and of much better quality was transmitted by the American automatic Orbiter 2 years and 4 months before the Apollo flights. And nothing prevents us from believing that in Fig. 1a we see the same version performed by another Orbiter, but adopted in poor quality due to the haste in re-equipping the Simferopol antenna.

4. "Ours" from the Research Institute of KP heard astronauts talking from the side of the moon. And what does this prove? Do we not know that the Soviet cosmonauts, sitting in a bunker near Yevpatoria, successfully spoke from the direction “from the moon”, using “Probes 4 and 6” as repeaters? Why is it impossible for NASA? She had all the necessary equipment for this (chapter 18). Praise to NASA experts, who, having heard Russian speech from the moon, quickly figured out what was happening. And what about those experts who, having heard an English speech in a similar situation, are in a hurry to report: “We“ saw ”the Americans setting on the moon”?

Often in discussions one can hear such an opinion: "our military could follow any launch of missiles from the United States." In November 2004, the author addressed a relevant question to a competent contemporary of those events - Lieutenant General, Honored Tester of space technology, and at that time assistant to the Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces of the USSR Ministry of Defense Semenov V.V. (see the Appendix for the corresponding biographical link). His answer was briefly military: "There are no telemetry data for Apollo flights."

Continue, Vasya Pupkin?

[Topgun]

Question: The problems of the Americans that the Russians could not prepare the equipment for tracking?
Does this somehow prove that they did not fly?
Now Rogozin will fly and put everything in its place :))

[Henderson]

Quote: Rurikovich

and at that time, the assistant to the commander-in-chief of the Strategic Missile Forces of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR Semenov V.V

There was never any Semenov V.V. There was Semenov A.I., but he died back in 1973. Which is not surprising, because the military at this level, these are people aged 60 years. And until 2004, none of those people survived.
Not tired of distributing fakes yet?

[Topgun]

Quote: Rurikovich

Well, if for you future academicians Chelomei and Glushko are not authorities, then I

once again, where do they write that the Americans did not fly to the moon? can you answer a simple question?

[Rurikovich]

Vasily, are you asking me to quote the words of respected people who are sure that the Americans were not on the moon? I gave you the opinion of people who were directly involved in the events of the 60s. The question is this is not enough? Or for you the words of engineers who are confident that the Americans can’t create an engine with the declared parameters, nothing in front of the words of the non-engineer Glushko, who says that they flew?

[Topgun]

once again, where do they say that the Americans did not fly?
they doubt it! what will fly (in the described events, flight to the moon for them in the future)
so where do respected people say that the Americans were not on the moon?

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Topgun

can you answer a simple question?

Can you carefully read and analyze what I give you?

[Topgun]

in your sheets no expert says that the Americans were not on the moon

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Topgun

in your sheets no expert says that the Americans were not on the moon

Um Suppose that you managed, but shout that this is not so. Based on indirect signs (smell, pulling clothes in a place of interest, appropriate gait), I will argue the opposite. Who will the experts believe - you, screaming what you need, or me, pointing to the real signs of your fraud?
So here - you shout that you would be shown someone who confirms or refutes in words the flight of the Americans to the Moon, and I bring you the arguments of experts that such a flight could not be. And since experts are not as public people as your necessary witnesses, you believe the words of Grechko with Leonov more, and I more the words of Korolev with Chelomey and Glushko
Adieu, Amigo
PS. I apologize for the tactless example given, it’s just indicative
PPP Develop logical thinking and the quality of critical thinking, then many things will become visible from different angles, and not just those that official historians and interested people tell you

[Topgun]

a document from the book of a surveyor in which well-known engineers doubt what the Americans will do (once again the time before the flight, and the engineers doubt what will happen)
and on this basis (the authenticity of the document from the book doesn’t seem to raise questions? Where does the surveyor get access from?) should I be sure that the Americans were not on the moon?
Based on your comments, I can "guess" that you did it because you wrote it, so you thought about it, so it bothered you ...

[Rurikovich]

https://www.proza.ru/2017/11/28/1008

[Proxima]

Dear Rurikovich, please ask who Lebedev is, except in the material in which he called himself a rocket launcher.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Proxima

who is Lebedev, except in the material in which he called himself a rocket launcher.

Born 1942 He was educated (mining engineer) at the Faculty of Geography of Moscow State University and at the Moscow Geological Prospecting Institute.

From 1964 to 1967, he served at the Tyuratam test rocket range (NIIP-5), first in the 311st missile regiment, in the engine group that tested the engines of the UR-100 and UR-200 rockets (UR-200 is one of the steps of the Proton ”And at the same time an independent combat missile), then in the support (support) group of missile launches in the Main Directorate of the training range. Note: Baikonur is called only that part of the Tyura-Tam training ground on which the Queen’s "farm" was located. The farms of Yangel and Chelomei were not included in Baikonur. After demobilization, he worked in a post office headed by the general designer for missile control systems, Academician N.A. Pilyugin.

In the 70s, he worked as a mining engineer-geologist in geological exploration expeditions of the USSR Ministry of Geology and Geology.

In the early 80s, he was invited, in his main specialty, to a specialized military unit for the construction of rocket mines and other underground structures of the USSR Ministry of Defense. As part of this unit, he participated in the construction of mines and the installation of missile defense missiles in certain areas of the USSR. He took part in the construction of the Volga radar missile defense in Belarus, which was part of the so-called Ustinov’s shield.

Then, again at the training ground, Tyuratam supervised the construction of a number of structures for the Zenit missile system, and then took part in the construction of the Energia-Buran-Vulkan launch system. At this facility, his area of ​​responsibility included the underground part of the complex and the 60-meter ground tower, the so-called building 81. After the collapse of the USSR, in the early 90's, he was invited to work on polar gas fields at Gazprom. He is the author of the books of the scientific and journalistic Life of the Elements, historical and documentary Fates of the Guard, as well as a number of newspaper articles.

For me, dear Proxima, he is a direct participant in the events of the lunar, as a builder and tester, race, because for me personally the weight of his words is no less than that of others

[Warrior-80]

Tell me how the United States solved the problem of radiation when flying to the moon, the moon is in a safe zone behind the earth in its magnetic field for about 12 hours, they were there 75 hours, how they were not fried by radiation

[mojohed2012]

Do you know how they defended themselves from radiation? It's simple - they shot everything in Hollywood.
Moreover, subsequently, the first editions of the movie Star Wars Lucas were thumbs up.

[voyaka uh]

Not only when flying to the moon and on the surface of the moon. And at space stations, and when going into outer space, astronauts / astronauts grab radiation doses. But small. According to statistics, no more people who have traveled to outer space than those who did not have cancer were ill with cancer.
Of the 7 American flights to the moon, most astronauts survived to old age and did not particularly suffer from chronic diseases.

[renics]

Quote: Bearded

Rogozin would be better off doing business. With tongue, he is a master.

What business? It seems that all the anti-Rogozin comments written here are written for likes, thanks to the unpopular Rogozin due to the failures of Roscosmos, as if he is God or the Tsar in this department.

[Machito]

What business? Definitely not the cosmos in which he understands, like a pig in oranges. Let him work in his specialty.

[renics]

Quote: Bearded

Definitely not the cosmos in which he understands, like a pig in oranges.

Well, you should be more versed in space, judging by your comment, or not, well, then compete with him and take his place. Or is there a great desire and desire to get more likes?

[region58]

Quote: renics

take his place

Alas, it will not work. We have labor dynasties ...

[Machito]

I am in my place: I like working as an engineer.

[taiti3000]

Get it first and then criticize?

[Tank jacket]

Rogozin is a typical representative of the so-called the elite. This one will say for sure that they were there for a jar of jam and a box of cookies.

[tlauicol]

Of course, I suspected that the head of Roskosmos was dumb, but so much

[Yngvar]

A man spoke about the moon ... Probably, the aggravation - today is just the full moon! Yes, the intervention of a psychiatrist now would not hurt!

[Herald of the Revolution]

Quote: KOCMOC

It's a hit below the belt

So in Russia, the patriots always seemed to have a consensus that the Amer had never been there ... or have you not decided yet?

[SSR]

Quote: Herald of Revia

So in Russia, it always seemed that the patriots had a consensus that the Amer had never been there

Why patriots?
Why, in the midst of the Cold War, the American Apollo module was quickly transferred to the United States.
Why did the US suddenly begin to sell the USSR grain at half the price in the United States itself and in the United States there was a double jump in prices.
Why, in the midst of the Cold War, the United States and its partners built ultra modern plants. (Kamaz for example).
Why such a carriage with a cart, and they are connected directly with the Cosmos and the Moon.
About engines in general, you can keep silent.
Personally, it would be easier for me to assume that people were already there, but somehow this does not fit together.

[Herald of the Revolution]

Quote from S.S.R.

Why, in the midst of the Cold War, the American Apollo module was quickly transferred to the United States.

Fast is how fast? And if quickly, how does this prove that they were not on the moon? Do you propose to dub me for you?

Quote from S.S.R.

Why did the US suddenly begin to sell the USSR grain at half the cost

So the United States also fed you grain, and even for half the price? Ahrenet ... and this huge and agrarian USSR was .... and you still manage to hate America? But even if this is true ... again, how does this prove that they were not there?

Quote from S.S.R.

Why, at the height of the Cold War, the United States and its partners built ultra modern plants

Yes, and factories have been set up for you ... You should tell the patriots about it on the site, but they only have one thing in their head, America always does it bad for them. I would venture to suggest that all this was built out of money, but this is only my guess, without a touch of geopolitical conspiracy.

[KOCMOC]

Quote: Herald of Revia

So in Russia, the patriots always seemed to have a consensus that the Amer had never been there ... or have you not decided yet?

I understand that you are from the Apalon witnesses sect?
Z.Y. Roscosmos office is serious, I believe there is truth and so long have known, therefore, such an announcement of Rogozin as head of Roscosmos, it’s not easy . By the way, and American astranafs, what are they flying into space now?

[210ox]

There is no "witcher" from the sect kneeling before the squatters ..

[Topgun]

Quote: KOCMOC

such an announcement of Rogozin as head of the Russian Space Agency, it’s not easy

Of course, it's not easy, it's from the same opera as "trampolines", a person loves to talk and say what the audience will like ...
I would be very happy if such a mission took place, industry workers really need it in terms of maintaining competence, to hell with it - science, there are already questions whether there is any competency to launch probes ...
+ the question of "lunar conspiracy" has always been closed on the Internet :)

[KOCMOC]

Quote: Topgun

certainly not easy, it is from the same opera as "trampolines"

What is wrong with trampolines? What was Rogozin wrong about? Can the Americans themselves take their astronauts into space or is this not so? If Roscosmos sends the Americans away, then they will definitely need a trampoline. Well, Maleh, their merry fellow, had touched them, so that missiles weren’t in his tasks.

[Henderson]

Quote: KOCMOC

Can the Americans themselves take their astronauts into space or is this not so?

this is not true

Quote: KOCMOC

If Roscosmos sends the Americans away, then they will definitely need a trampoline.

places in the Unions have not been purchased for a year now. There is one or two flights left and that’s all. A trampoline in connection with the loss of such a tasty piece of money comes for RKK Energia.

Quote: KOCMOC

Well, Maleh, their merry fellow, had touched them, so that missiles weren’t in his tasks.

It is necessary to deal with the matter, and not to arrange clownery. He has a systemic crisis in the industry, enterprises incur losses, constant accidents, a constant failure to meet deadlines, and he is engaged in trolling.

[mojohed2012]

They flew to the moon in big rockets, but here they are, today they don’t have such rockets for some reason, and for some reason they cannot restore their production.

[Henderson]

Falcon Heavy has already been tested, SLS is being completed. All of them can and do.

[Tank jacket]

They cannot make a space toilet, what kind of moon is there. By the way, I recently closed the Falcon 9 Mask. Get ready to pay money suckers. The design of the new rocket is impressive

[Topgun]

did not close but "froze" and not the production of Falcon 9 missiles, but modernization for several reasons:
1 transfer of intellectual resources to the development of "big macaroni"
2 flights of people, take an interest in how the unions that carry people are upgrading, every improvement there flies many times on a cargo ship before putting on a manned launch, maybe they plan to use only a large rocket in SpaceX in the future and it makes no sense to spend on a falcon 9

[Tersky]

Quote: Topgun

did not close but "froze" and not the production of Falcon 9 missiles, but modernization for several reasons:

There is only one reason, Ilon Mask urgently needs suckers, which can be bred for additional loot.

[Gerassim]

Quote: Tank jacket

They cannot make a space toilet, what kind of moon is there.

And spacesuits without diapers :)

[voyaka uh]

"By the way, recently Falcon 9 Mask closed" ////
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You did not understand. Closed work on the return to the ground of the SECOND stage Falcon-9.
And so Falcon-9 (with the return of the FIRST stage) is the most successful "workhorse" for throwing cargo into space in the world. Signed contracts for 3 years in advance. And 18 successful launches this year.
Next year, Musk begins a "revolution in mobile communications": the launch of 7 thousand (!!!) standard communication satellites.
On the Falcons, a dozen at a time, every few days.

[gsev]

Andrew, do not confuse talkers with patriots, in professional circles, they worthily appreciate the contribution of foreign pioneers to the progress of mankind.

[Svarog]

Quote: KOCMOC

We set such a task: to fly, to check - were or were not. They say they were. We will check

It's a hit below the belt

This is another morbidity of journalist Rogozin ...

[Machito]

Rather, it is the balobolstvo of the former deputy.
The journalist is responsible for his words, the deputy is not.

[renics]

Quote: Bearded

Rather, it is the balobolstvo of the former deputy. The journalist is responsible for his words, the deputy is not.

Journalists also lie much, especially when they lie on Western grants, an example of "Novaya Gazeta"

[real diamond]

What the hell hit? We will check whether they were there or not, with them. From his words. I haven’t seen the video, but the transcription is complete out (maybe a joke?) Does Rogozin look for the bottom, doesn’t feel for it?

[snake]

Quote: KOCMOC

It's a hit below the belt

As much as the sofa cosmonauts would like, the cosmonauts are real, namely Alexei Leonov and Georgy Grechko confirmed the fact of the Americans landing on the moon. G. Grechko: "We know for sure that the Americans were on the Moon. When we received signals from the Moon, we received them from the Moon, not from Hollywood."
Rogozin apparently decided that there is never too much disgrace. While Elon Musk launches rockets, Rogozin launches "ducks". Now there is only such a competition in space with the USA: Any of our most "routine" launch is an epic victory, any American jamb is an epic fiasco. Well, what should Rogozin do to get to the moon? Build a trampoline, Dmitry Olegovich. Such a huge trampoline!

[the most important]

Quote: Gardamir

I don’t know how Americans are. But it would be necessary to check for theft in Roscosmos.

The adequacy of the leadership also needs to be checked, otherwise some projects and no real results. I remember, back in the year 2003-2004, it was stated that a manned flight to Mars will be carried out in 2014, because it is this year that Mars is closest to Earth. So where??? Where are space science satellites, where are space telescopes ?. They are not and never will be! So far, the authorities have completely different priorities. It is not capable of developing an economy. Unfortunately, Russia's GDP is already 13th in the world. This is the real result of what the authorities achieved.

[SRC P-15]

Well, what did you all run into Rogozin? But does not the thought arise that he is trolling the Americans by orders from above? Well, not Putin talk about it! The United States asked for it.

[Ross xnumx]

And I'm not sure that to check for the presence of US traces on the moon, you can not choose other partners except the Americans. Here, after all, the main thing is the desire to cooperate, and not the alleged experience. Many countries have a desire to create new technologies and even the ability to do so. But Roscosmos for some reason is drawn to such partners with whom it is disgusting to live on the same Earth ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: ROSS 42

Many countries have a desire to create new technologies and even the ability to do so.

Unfortunately, their desires do not coincide with their possibility. That's why you have to choose from two evils ... And then, we have a long tradition of cooperating with the United States in space and just like that, take and break with them until it works.

[Vladimir 5]

With today's opportunities to check the surface of the Moon for the presence of traces of the American landing, it is not necessary to land on the Moon ... D. Rogozin threw a decoy, which is very sensitive for the United States, - as for all their nasty things, Louis Armstrong's landing on the Moon should be checked with scientific and reliable joys back in 1969 .... Until now, the Americans are muddying and have no direct evidence, they show traces of moonworms, and never human ones ... Yes, the main staged movie directed by Stanley. (By the way, they were filming in Yugoslavia, not even in the USA, because there could be nimble journalists "reveal" the landing.). It's time to score a good goal against the US propaganda ...

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Vladimir 5

landing on the moon of Louis Armstrong back in 1969.

LOUIS ??? Which this

Or is it all the same Armstrong, who is Neil (Neil - whatever)

[Vladimir 5]

Rurik ... Louis Armstrong is certainly nicer, because Neil was later a recluse and reluctantly gave an interview for his whole life about the mission of Apollo 11, why?

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Vladimir 5

for Neil was later a recluse and reluctant to give an interview for his whole life about the mission of Apollo 11, why so?

Conscience tormented Lying half your life is also worth a lot

[voyaka uh]

"and never human .." ////
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Human - full. There are more than traces of rover rovers.
Even in the images of the Indian probe, which circled the moon, chains of traces are visible at the Apollo landing sites.

[Vladimir 5]

Warrior uh. And where have you seen such photographic evidence, very curious, share. After all, the United States does not show pictures of human footprints on the Moon, True, one, for some reason, a strangely convex half-track somewhere flashed in the third plane of the yellow media, and that is clearly not natural, not lunar, but no longer show. Share the info, because "someone, somewhere," like "OBS" is not honest information ...

[Tersky]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

But does not the thought arise that he is trolling the Americans by orders from above?

Aleskander, ! Not does not fit

Rogozin also said that today no state is able to implement the lunar program on its own. In its plans to develop a satellite of the Earth, Russia will cooperate with the United States

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Tersky

Aleskander,! No, don't fit

Exactly what fits together, Victor! Thus, we seem to say to the United States: if you do not cooperate with us and give money for this project, then we will find another partner and check "your footprints" on the Moon, without you!

[Tersky]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Thus, we kind of say the United States: if you don’t cooperate with us and give money for this project,

In this case, this is no longer trolling - blackmail.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Tersky

In this case, this is no longer trolling - blackmail

Veiled blackmail! And in our opinion, Russian trolling.

[renics]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

if you don’t cooperate with us and donate money for this project, then we will find another partner and check "your footprints" on the moon, without you!

Invented very witty! And if they give it then they’ll take it off, the Americans will give money faster so that they don’t check it, on the contrary.

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Maybe they will give money, but they will not allow it to sit in the same region of the moon

[Karabin]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

But does not the thought arise that he is trolling the Americans by orders from above? Well, not Putin talk about it!

Why not? GDP trolling is still better than real business.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Well, not Putin talk about it! The United States asked for it.

But what, Putin for the first time or something to disgrace the whole world.
Such speeches must be made two days before the launch of the rocket to the moon, and so this is shameful idle talk

[210ox]

I’m comparing the statements of Zhirinovsky and Rogozin. The first statements come true mostly (though not immediately), the second just promised impossible ones.

[Machito]

To the point of comparison: Zhirinovsky and Rogozin.
One was about to fly to the moon to look for the remains of American expeditions, the other C-700 at night he files out of a blank file with a file.

[New Year day]

Quote: the most important

I remember, back in the year 2003-2004, it was stated that a manned flight to Mars will be carried out in 2014, because it is this year that Mars is closest to Earth. So where??? Where are space science satellites, where are space telescopes?

so maybe it's good ?! How much money has been saved for the budget

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Silvestr

so maybe it's good ?! How much money has been saved for the budget

If only ...

Back in mid-September, WSJ reported that US authorities were investigating Danske Bank on suspicion of laundering more than $ 150 billion in funds from Russia.

[Machito]

Spaceships, as always, plow the Bolshoi Theater.

[renics]

Where is it stated? In the State Duma or where else?

[demo]

Just thinking about it.
Dmitry Olegovich has already "done it" so many times that it is just right for him to be checked by the RF IC and the FSB for illegal enrichment, negligence and inconsistency with the position held.
And the fact that checking the Americans would not hurt is a fact.
Although I guess that the leaders of the USSR knew that this was a hoax.
And so that Americans do not poke their nose for free, they decided to get from them for silence.
After that, grain supplies from the USA and Canada began in the USSR.
At very ridiculous prices.
That's it.
And because the satellites flew over the landing site and published the photo, then NASA is still that desk.
What he wants is retouched, what he wants is removed.
They also have no faith.

[Tersky]

Quote: demo

And the fact that checking the Americans would not hurt is a fact.

I agree, there are already so many copies on this topic broken that it would be enough to arm the army of the Roman Empire.

[edmed]

As well as the phalanxes of Sasha of Macedon and the army of Nah ... the informer is shorter than the Persian king, mankind shoots tens, hundreds of satellites into Earth’s orbit, and for the sake of curiosity, they cannot launch a satellite into the Moon’s orbit, Luntics do not allow?

[Rec]

Quote: edmed

humanity bullets dozens, hundreds of satellites into the Earth’s orbit, and for the sake of curiosity, a satellite cannot launch into the Moon’s orbit

Launched. Fly. Photos are. Only here again I do not like:

Quote: demo

And because the satellites flew over the landing site and published the photo, then NASA is still that desk.
What he wants is retouched, what he wants is removed.
They also have no faith.

[edmed]

[/ quote] [quote] Launched. Fly. Photos are. Only here again I do not like:

And where are these very pictures to make out, preferably 1080 by 1080

[Rec]

Quote: edmed

And where are these very pictures to make out

On the LRO website and look at: https://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/

By the way, Luna-21 is also there:

Traces of the Lunokhod:

[edmed]

Thank you kind man,

[Topgun]

Trying in vain, now experienced "lunar conspirators" will run up and throw minuses and comments about Photoshop, I used to constantly upload these pictures - it makes no sense
for them, a greater argument is the book of an incomprehensible surveyor who allegedly heard the conversations of engineers and who, suddenly, had a document of their appeal to the minister about doubts about the possibility of the FUTURE flight of the Americans, they threw a bunch of wonderful sheets of this "creation" above ...

[region58]

Quote: Topgun

trying in vain

So he clarified immediately:

Quote: Rec

Launched. Fly. Photos are. Only here again I do not like:
Quote: demo
And because the satellites flew over the landing site and published the photo, then NASA is still that desk.
What he wants is retouched, what he wants is removed.
They also have no faith.

In general, cybernetics is bourgeois pseudoscience ... and genetics too ... in my opinion it was.

[voyaka uh]

The Indian low-flying satellite probe fotkal landing sites, the Japanese too.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: demo

Although I guess that the leaders of the USSR knew that this was a hoax.

Check with your doctor.

Quote: demo

After that, grain supplies from the USA and Canada began in the USSR.

Finally, ignorance is immeasurable. The USSR began to purchase grain in 1963, and the landing on the moon took place in 1969.

[demo]

Dear Eugene.
I, an orphan and wretched, will of course be checked by a doctor.
For starters, an ophthalmologist.
Because I do not believe my eyes.
And here is the reason for my doubts.
"Landing" of the Americans on the Moon - 1969.
But there is such an interesting fact!
Type in Wikipedia "Great grain robbery" and you will get just one modest line: "The term" Great grain robbery "refers to the 1972 purchase of American grain (wheat and corn) by the Soviet Union at subsidized prices, which led to higher prices in the United States."
With what fright are the Americans, at that time neither partners, nor teammates (G8 and G20), but obvious enemies suddenly began to sell us food to the detriment of themselves?
BUT? Answer the question.
If there were no good reasons, then the contract would be on a floating price basis (I hope you know what it is).
And no one would have entered into an agreement for 10 years.
And it was precisely such a period that allowed the USSR to decide on the construction of a tanker fleet, which transported oil to the USA and grain back. What gave foreign exchange earnings and food to the country.
PARAGRAPH.
So I would advise you, the "respectable" one, to read more, think more and open your mouth less to strangers.
I wish you good health.
As my friend used to say: I kiss you in the mouth! And she said: your aunt Dusya, the barmaid.

[Rec]

Quote: demo

We type in “Great grain robbery” on Wikipedia

I don’t know what is on Wikipedia, but this story is famous. There is no connection with space there:

At the beginning of August, when the companies that had previously kept the volumes of agreements in secret kept feverishly buying grain and chartering steamboats, the market began to see its light: prices almost doubled immediately. Now they are talking about the disaster in the United States. The fact is that at that time there was a practice of equalizing domestic and world prices in the United States. If the company exported grain at a price higher than the “domestic” one, the difference was paid to the government, if world prices were lower than domestic, then the difference was compensated by the government. This practice was quite acceptable as long as the volume of payments was approximately equal. When it came to exporting 19 million tons at prices almost double the domestic prices, the export subsidy account went into hundreds of millions. There was a noise among taxpayers, who had to pay for the supply of grain to their "probable adversary" from their own pockets.
As a result, the FBI launched an investigation, and the US Congress - hearings about the grain crisis. The companies were accused of hiding information that they were supposed to disclose by law, and USDA officials were accused of passing inside information to traders and failing to take timely measures to resolve the situation. In addition, it has become public that many senior USDA officials have been hired in management positions in grain companies. At the end of the hearings, all charges were dropped, since the behavior of all parties was legally impeccable within the framework of the free market conditions, but "an unpleasant aftertaste remained," and the warm relations between USDA officials and major grain traders were mentioned in the press and politicians for a long time.

The story was called "The Great Grain Robbery" and became the basis of numerous myths about how the USSR secretly collapsed world stock exchanges and dictated its economic policy to the "world of capital".

More details here: http://krupa.ucoz.ru/publ/2-1-0-33
Also the article was published in the magazine "Commodity Market" for 2003, author: Denis Sokolov

[demo]

Ugh you, well you, sticks are bent.
What did you want to read there, besides what you read?
Think for a moment.

Three (three, Karl!) Representatives of a foreign trade association authorized by the state to purchase food abroad come from the USSR. In particular in the USA. In particular, grain.
A unique operation begins.
In deep secrecy, negotiations are held with the largest grain traders.
Everyone is authorized to keep everything secret.
Seven hundred thousand bushels of grain are being bought.
And when information leaks out and becomes public, the price of grain takes off two, three times.
And here the US government, by law, is forced to pay suppliers the difference in cost between domestic and foreign prices.
And neither more nor less than seven hundred and fifty million dollars.
Is everything okay? Doesn’t it bother you? Who is this tale for?
Just imagine the times of confrontation between the USA and the USSR.
Both ours and American citizens, when they were abroad, were under total supervision.
And then we had such an operation.

[Machito]

It is not necessary to steal anything. Everything is stolen before us. (WITH)

[Stalevar79]

Rogozin is obviously not having enough time.

[spektr9]

I don’t know how Americans are. But it would be necessary to check for theft in Roscosmos.

Well, we can’t dispute their fact, it’s about the Americans and the moon can be argued

[renics]

Quote: spektr9

I don’t know how Americans are. But it would be necessary to check for theft in Roscosmos.

Everywhere theft is enough under socialism and capitalism, but the scope of theft under capitalism is more impressive. It is only necessary to register a CJSC or LLC and transfer money from the budget there and roll back for it to the one who allowed it. In the USA, they are lobbyists in the Congress in Russia, they are deputies of different levels.

[mojohed2012]

We would have checked how Rogozin put his children on the neck of the state for a long time, but in what condition is the equipment, stimulation of workers and control of assembly of equipment for launches ... He wanted to check - so let him fly, he can be allocated a single union ...

[gunnerminer]

Igor Dodon is not a representative of a space power. He is not up to flying to the moon. With the same success, Yule or Pece could be broadcast about the lunar inspection.

[Benjamin Gnomes]

Does Rogozin himself fly to the moon, see if there is an American flag there?) jump from a trampoline?

[Machito]

Great idea to send Rogozin to the moon itself. Bravo.

[Alf]

We set such a task: to fly, to check - were or were not. They say they were. We will check
- Rogozin said.

Most likely they were not there, but! Wang, that we ourselves will have to support Amer’s nonsense about landing, because with such a leader as Rogozin, we ourselves are unlikely to get there ...

[Topgun]

well, it starts, then the Chinese will "support lies", then the Indians, Japanese, etc.
Understand the "lunar conspirators", Americans absolutely do not care whether you believe or not, and Russia does not become stronger from this, rather, on the contrary, young people reading you will think that there are no prospects in space, all a farce, if I go better as a manager than an engineer ...

[Alf]

Quote: Topgun

understand the "moon conspirators", Americans absolutely do not care whether you believe or not,

It’s absolutely up to me too ....

Quote: Topgun

young people reading you will think that there are no prospects in space, everything is a farce, I’ll go better as a manager than an engineer ...

They don’t need to listen to me, they just need to talk to the workers of these factories.

[ANCIENT]

Ragozin himself let him go tomorrow and start on the moon, with the help of his favorite trampoline in the USSR they spoke less and did a lot of things for space, but now everything is exactly the opposite.

[gunnerminer]

It’s cheap to grab strangers by lying, having not solved your main problems in managing.

[Jack O'Neill]

Rogozin will soon become Medvedev, the same memechik.
Have you decided to divert attention by again talking about the "Lunar Conspiracy"? Keck, Rostroll, not Roscosmos.))

[Ural resident]

Funny photo -Dodon looks at Rogozin with such a look, they say, what kind of (strange words) are you talking about?

[igm001]

I don’t believe that as long as everyone is ruled by "defective managers", they will not be able to do nichrome.

[Bull Terrier]

Go unlearn, get an education and put things in order. Does something stop you from doing this?)) ₽

[igm001]

I also wanted to give you advice, but I think it is useless.

[Bull Terrier]

So I did not give you advice. This is an elementary solution to all problems. Since it’s so easy, it’s up to you. Still, the manager is defective. Give them an example. Teach you how to work

[igm001]

State of the industry:

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote: igm001

State of the industry:

Yes, emotionally. What is interesting is the elimination of the OTC service in 2014, which is mentioned in the video. At most industrial enterprises in Russia, these services were eliminated in the 90's.
Effective managers even then considered them parasites who do not create surplus value. I was in the late nineties at one of the liquidated enterprises in the UK. The plant was stopped, but the equipment had not yet been sold. I then drew attention in the room of quality control to graphs and charts. Very reminiscent of the Soviet system. Someone will say that there was no product quality. That was another question. But the quality control system was, and not bad.

[Free man]

Not a single statement of this character can be taken seriously.

[TAMBU]

And does this person lead the space industry? yes spend billions of taxpayers on an unnecessary check ...

[Ryzhik]

We set this task: to fly, to check whether there were or were not.

And the most urgent tasks related to personnel, the price / quality of production of devices and their launch, the effectiveness of effective managers, transparency in financial terms of translating into reality all the projects in the space industry, most likely, Roscosmos is not facing. However, I do not see anything surprising here

[Prisoner]

Nothing to do. It would be better to clean up his office. Here are the showmen damn! If only not to work, and to arrange performances around you!

[Bull Terrier]

Tipo google and the number of landings and criminal cases in recent months 6 religion does not allow ?!

[Million]

The movie will be shot "Dunno on the Moon". General's son Rogozin starring

[NKT]

"Well done" Rogozin. He worked as a seller - he sold all trampolines, now he works as an inspector

[Jack O'Neill]

Comrade Rogozin, when will we launch our response to the Hubble? And when will we launch our own not even Curiosity, but at least Spirit / Opportunity? That's all for Phobos-Grunt, no more? Where is the development of Roskosmos, comrade. Rogozin?
You can only wag your tongue, and not deal with the matter.

[Fungus]

Why are you asking this on this site, and not to him personally? Completely shredded already.

[Jack O'Neill]

Why are you asking this on this site, and not to him personally? Completely shredded already.

1.) These are rhetorical questions.
2.) I would personally ask him, but who will let me go.

[Fungus]

Write to him on Twitter

[Jack O'Neill]

Write to him on Twitter

More tips will be?

[Sadko88]

Who wants to, will be added. And you, as I understand it, are excited because of the rejection of another colony except for the colony of Oh and Nill?

[Jack O'Neill]

Who wants to, will be added. And you, as I understand it, are excited because of the rejection of another colony except for the colony of Oh and Nill?

I want the advance of Roscosmos in space, especially in the far.

[Sadko88]

I don’t believe ... at all

[Jack O'Neill]

I don’t believe ... at all

Your right.

[Sadko88]

For them, this is a terminally painful topic ... Rogozin is doing well with b / w

[KOCMOC]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Comrade Rogozin, when will we launch our response to the Hubble?

Radio astron is a space project with leading Russian participation in fundamental astrophysical research in the radio spectrum of the electromagnetic spectrum using a space radio telescope (CMT) mounted on the Russian Spectrum-R spacecraft as part of ground-based VLBI networks. Project Coordinator Astro Space Center of the Lebedev Physical Institute. The project allows you to get the highest angular resolution in the entire history of astronomy of microseconds of an arc at a base of 340 km, it is the world's largest space telescope, which was noted in the Guinness Book of Records.

[Jack O'Neill]

Spectrum is good, but what else? The spectrum in 2013 was, 5 years have passed.

[dr.star75]

He would have checked himself for a start! He promised the Americans to jump in space on a trampoline, and now he sells them engines! And so yes, most likely the Americans were not on the moon.

[Bull Terrier]

He does not sell them to them. And it has nothing to do with them. Generally

[dr.star75]

Quote: Bull Terrier

He does not sell them to them. And it has nothing to do with them. Generally

Is that so? Does he head the Roskosmos or the Institute of Noble Maidens?

[Bull Terrier]

Drive in a search about this engine and read. It is created for Atlases. And they have the right to manufacture it. Roscosmos there generally forest

[dr.star75]

Nevertheless, "At the same time, despite the numerous misinformation rumors circulated in the Internet media and blogs [2] [3], the patent rights for the engine design belong to NPO Energomash [4] [5] [6]. At the moment 13 April 2018, all engine production is concentrated in Russia [7]. "

[Bull Terrier]

only the customer has the right to use. Only Americans can fly on them. I did not speak about the design rights. Now the question is, what does Rogozin have to do with it?

[dr.star75]

And despite the fact that his tongue is not ground. If trampolines, a ban on delivery. If you can’t ban, don’t talk.

[Bull Terrier]

You never know who is chatting. It is easy to ban, plant orders are more difficult to secure.

[dr.star75]

Quote: Bull Terrier

It is easy to ban, plant orders are more difficult to secure.

AAAA! So I see how the Stalingrad Tractor Plant in 1942, on one branch, under bombing, repairs the T-34, and on another German tank, well, what? It’s getting currency for the country!

[Bull Terrier]

You have strange views and comparisons. But not for me to judge. Everyone sees what he wants.

[dr.star75]

Quote: Bull Terrier

You have strange views and comparisons.

YES? And why? It was necessary to shabbat and shaman tigers? Well, according to your logic, right?

Quote: Bull Terrier

Everyone sees what he wants.

And what do you see? Tell us, maybe we will see clearly.

[Bull Terrier]

I don’t set myself such tasks. I share my opinion with you. that’s enough for me.

[Alf]

Quote: Bull Terrier

It is easy to ban, plant orders are more difficult to secure.

And how did they provide in Soviet times, if these plants shuffled in two shifts?

[Bull Terrier]

and the sun was yellower and the sky bluer. stop comparing the past with the present. different countries different time.

[Alf]

Quote: Bull Terrier

different countries different time.

Yes, yes, governments have different goals ...

[Bull Terrier]

like people

[akudr48]

Now Moldova is becoming Russia's strategic partner in space. This is not bad, better than dealing with some Masks and other rogues with reusable steps. And there is also the White Stork, Isabella and other cosmic fluids, not bad, I must say.

And we will check those who were previously in America, whether they were or were not on the Moon. Specially fly, look at the traces. America talks a lot about this, we must reassure. If something is wrong, you look, and we will be the first on the moon, because we have trampolines!

Rogozin is the one who fails, fails, and will fail in space. Not one, of course, with all his effective managers and his leaders, to the very top.

[ODERVIT]

Bears, lately, our officials, regardless of the position. Either a virus, or stupidity.

[NordUral]

Do not offend the little ones, Andrey Nikolaevich, please.

[alex007i]

Let Noah's ark promise to find it.

[Cottager452]

I even feel sorry for Rogozin: not a stupid person, and now he has got such a role.

[atos_kin]

Why check? Can America cheat? It’s the same partner country, the most honest one, it always hammers everyone with the truth. Either bombers unbelievers or imposes sanctions for understanding.

[NordUral]

Here's a cautionary tale of the United States (stumbled on the net):
[i] AMERICA PROTECTS WORLDWIDE

1622 - attack on the Indians in Jamestown.
1635-1636 - war with the Algokin Indians in New England.
1675-1676 - the war with the Indians, ending in the destruction of almost half of the cities in Massachusetts. 1792 - The war for the capture of Kentucky.
1796 - The Tennessee Capture War.
1797-1800 - pirate attacks on French civilian ships.
1800 is a slave uprising led by Gabriel Prosser in Virginia. About a thousand people were hanged, including Prosser himself. The slaves themselves did not kill a single person.
1803 - Ohio Capture War. 1803 - the war for the capture of Louisiana.
1805-1815 - The war in Africa for the rule of the United States to distribute drugs in the world.
1806 is an attempt of the American invasion of the Rio Grande (then - Spanish possession).
1810 is an invasion of Spanish West Florida.
1812-1814 - the war with England, the invasion of Canada.
1812 - Occupation of the West by the Spanish.
1813 - the capture of the Spanish Gulf Mobile, the occupation of the Marquesas Islands.
1814 - the occupation of the Spanish Pensacola.
1816 is an attack on Fort Nichols in Spanish Florida.
1817-1819 - Occupation of East Florida.
1824 is the invasion of the Puerto Rican city of Fajardo.
1824 - landing of the American landing in Cuba.
1833 - the invasion of Argentina.
1835 - Capture of Mexican Texas.
1835 - the invasion of Peru.
1840 - Invasion of Fiji.
1841 - genocide on the island of Upolu (Drummond).
1843 - the invasion of China.
1846-1848 - war with Mexico.
1846 - aggression against New Granada (Colombia).
1849 - Indochina shelling.
1852 - the invasion of Argentina.
1853-1856 - the invasion of China.
1853 - the invasion of Argentina and Nicaragua.
1854 - the destruction of the Nicaraguan city of San Juan del Norte.
1854 - an attempt to capture the Hawaiian Islands.
1855 - the invasion and coup in Nicaragua.
1855 - the invasion of Fiji and Uruguay.
1856 - the invasion of Panama.
1858 - intervention in Fiji, genocide.
1858 - the invasion of Uruguay.
1859 - attack on the Japanese fort Taku.
1859 - the invasion of Angola.
1860 - the invasion of Panama.
1863 - a punitive expedition to Shimonoseki (Japan).
1864 - military expedition to Japan.
1865 - the invasion of Paraguay, genocide, 85% of the population destroyed.
1865 - Panama intervention, coup d'etat.
1866 - attack on Mexico.
1866 is a punitive expedition to China.
1867 - attack on the Midway Islands.
1868 - multiple invasions of Japan.
1868 - the invasion of Uruguay and Colombia.
1874 - the introduction of troops in China and Hawaii.
1876 - the invasion of Mexico.
1878 - attack on Samoa.
1882 - the introduction of troops in Egypt.
1888 - attack on Korea.
1889 is a punitive expedition to Hawaii.
1890 - the introduction of troops in Haiti.
1890 - the introduction of troops in Argentina.
1891 - intervention in Chile.
1891 is a punitive expedition to Haiti.
1893 - the introduction of troops in Hawaii, the invasion of China.
1894 - intervention in Nicaragua.
1894-1896 - the invasion of Korea.
1894-1895 - war in China.
1895 - the invasion of Panama.
1896 - the invasion of Nicaragua.
1898 - the capture of the Philippines, genocide (600 000 Filipinos).
1898 - the invasion of the port of San Juan del Sur (Nicaragua).
1898 - Capture of the Hawaiian Islands.
1899-1901 - war with the Philippines.
1899 - Invasion of BLUEFILDS Port in Nicaragua

[NordUral]

AMERICA PROTECTS WORLD WORLDWIDE

1622 - attack on the Indians in Jamestown.
1635-1636 - war with the Algokin Indians in New England.
1675-1676 - the war with the Indians, ending in the destruction of almost half of the cities in Massachusetts. 1792 - The war for the capture of Kentucky.
1796 - The Tennessee Capture War.
1797-1800 - pirate attacks on French civilian ships.
1800 is a slave uprising led by Gabriel Prosser in Virginia. About a thousand people were hanged, including Prosser himself. The slaves themselves did not kill a single person.
1803 - Ohio Capture War. 1803 - the war for the capture of Louisiana.
1805-1815 - The war in Africa for the rule of the United States to distribute drugs in the world.
1806 is an attempt of the American invasion of the Rio Grande (then - Spanish possession).
1810 is an invasion of Spanish West Florida.
1812-1814 - the war with England, the invasion of Canada.
1812 - Occupation of the West by the Spanish.
1813 - the capture of the Spanish Gulf Mobile, the occupation of the Marquesas Islands.
1814 - the occupation of the Spanish Pensacola.
1816 is an attack on Fort Nichols in Spanish Florida.
1817-1819 - Occupation of East Florida.
1824 is the invasion of the Puerto Rican city of Fajardo.
1824 - landing of the American landing in Cuba.
1833 - the invasion of Argentina.
1835 - Capture of Mexican Texas.
1835 - the invasion of Peru.
1840 - Invasion of Fiji.
1841 - genocide on the island of Upolu (Drummond).
1843 - the invasion of China.
1846-1848 - war with Mexico.
1846 - aggression against New Granada (Colombia).
1849 - Indochina shelling.
1852 - the invasion of Argentina.
1853-1856 - the invasion of China.
1853 - the invasion of Argentina and Nicaragua.
1854 - the destruction of the Nicaraguan city of San Juan del Norte.
1854 - an attempt to capture the Hawaiian Islands.
1855 - the invasion and coup in Nicaragua.
1855 - the invasion of Fiji and Uruguay.
1856 - the invasion of Panama.
1858 - intervention in Fiji, genocide.
1858 - the invasion of Uruguay.
1859 - attack on the Japanese fort Taku.
1859 - the invasion of Angola.
1860 - the invasion of Panama.
1863 - a punitive expedition to Shimonoseki (Japan).
1864 - military expedition to Japan.
1865 - the invasion of Paraguay, genocide, 85% of the population destroyed.
1865 - Panama intervention, coup d'etat.
1866 - attack on Mexico.
1866 is a punitive expedition to China.
1867 - attack on the Midway Islands.
1868 - multiple invasions of Japan.
1868 - the invasion of Uruguay and Colombia.
1874 - the introduction of troops in China and Hawaii.
1876 - the invasion of Mexico.
1878 - attack on Samoa.
1882 - the introduction of troops in Egypt.
1888 - attack on Korea.
1889 is a punitive expedition to Hawaii.
1890 - the introduction of troops in Haiti.
1890 - the introduction of troops in Argentina.
1891 - intervention in Chile.
1891 is a punitive expedition to Haiti.
1893 - the introduction of troops in Hawaii, the invasion of China.
1894 - intervention in Nicaragua.
1894-1896 - the invasion of Korea.
1894-1895 - war in China.
1895 - the invasion of Panama.
1896 - the invasion of Nicaragua.
1898 - the capture of the Philippines, genocide (600 000 Filipinos).
1898 - the invasion of the port of San Juan del Sur (Nicaragua).
1898 - Capture of the Hawaiian Islands.
1899-1901 - war with the Philippines.
1899 - Invasion of BLUEFILDS Port in Nicaragua

1901 - the introduction of troops in Colombia.
1902 - the invasion of Panama.
1903 - the entry of troops into Honduras, the Dominican Republic, Syria.
1904 - the entry of troops into Korea, Morocco.
1904-1905 - intervention in the Russo-Japanese War.
1905 - Intervention in the Revolution in Honduras.
1905 - the deployment of troops to Mexico.
1905 - troop entry into
1906 - the invasion of the Philippines.
1906-1909 - the invasion of Cuba.
1907 - operations in Nicaragua.
1907 - Intervention in the Revolution in the Dominican Republic.
1907 - participation in the war of Honduras with Nicaragua.
1908 - the invasion of Panama.
1910 - the invasion of the Bluefields and Corinto (Nicaragua).
1911 - Intervention in Honduras.
1911 - Genocide in the Philippines.
1911 - the introduction of troops in China.
1912 - capture of Havana (Cuba).
1912 - Intervention in Panama during the election.
1912 - the invasion of Honduras.
1912-1933 - the occupation of Nicaragua.
1914 - intervention in the Dominican Republic.
1914-1918 is a series of invasions of Mexico.
1914-1934 - the occupation of Haiti.
1916-1924 - the occupation of the Dominican Republic.
1917-1933 - the occupation of Cuba.
1918-1922 - the occupation of the Russian Far East.
1918-1920 - the entry of troops into Panama.
1919 - landing of troops in Costa Rica.
1919 - war against the Serbs in Dolmatia on the side of Italy.
1919 - Intervention in Honduras during the election.
1920 - intervention in Guatemala.
1922 - intervention in Turkey.
1922-1927 - intervention in China.
1924-1925 - the invasion of Honduras.
1925 - military action in Panama.
1926 - the invasion of Nicaragua.
1927-1934 - the occupation of China.
1932 - the invasion of El Salvador.
1936 - intervention in Spain.
1937 - Won with Japan.
1937 - intervention in Nicaragua, coup d'etat.
1939 - the introduction of troops in China.
1941-1945 - genocide of the civilian population of Germany (Dresden, Hamburg).
1945 - a nuclear attack on Japan.
1945-1991 - sabotage activity against the USSR. (The invasion of air possession - more than 5000, parachute landing - more than 140, direct sabotage. The total budget - 13 trillions of dollars).

[NordUral]

1946 - punitive operations in Yugoslavia.
1946-1949 - the bombing of China.
1947-1948 - recolonization of Vietnam, genocide.
1947-1949 - military operations in Greece.
1948-1953 - military operations in the Philippines.
1948 - military coup in Peru.
1948 - military coup in Nicaragua.
1948 - A military coup in Costa Rica.
1949-1953 - attempts to overthrow the government in Albania.
1950 - Punitive Operations in Puerto Rico.
1950-1953 - intervention in Korea.
1951 - military assistance to Chinese rebels.
1953-1964 - power special operations in British Guyana.
1953 - the overthrow of Mossadyk, who received in the referendum 99.9% of the vote.
1953 - Forced Deportation of Inuit (Greenland).
1954 - The overthrow of the government in Guatemala.
1956 - the beginning of military assistance to Tibetan rebels in the fight against China.
1957-1958 is an attempt to overthrow the government in Indonesia.
1958 - the occupation of Lebanon. 1958 - bombing of Indonesia.
1959 - the entry of troops into Laos. 1959 - punitive operations in Haiti.
1960 - military operations in Ecuador. 1960 - the invasion of Guatemala.
1960 - Support for a military coup in El Salvador.
1960-1965 - interference in the internal affairs of the Congo. Mobutu support.
1961-1964 - a military coup in Brazil.
1961 - a terrorist war against Cuba using bacteriological weapons.
1962 - punitive operations in Guatemala. 1963-1966 - coup and punitive operations in the Dominican Republic.
1964 is a punitive operation in Panama.
1964 - support for the coup in Brazil.
1964-1974 - interference in the internal affairs of Greece.
1965 - coup in Indonesia, genocide.
1965-1973 - aggression against Vietnam.
1966 - intervention in Guatemala.
1967 - support for the coup and the subsequent fascist regime in Greece.
1968 - the hunt for Che Guevara in Bolivia.
1971-1973 - the bombing of Laos.
1971 - American military assistance during the coup in Bolivia. 1972 - the introduction of troops in Nicaragua. 1973 - the coup in Chile.
1973 - Terror in Uruguay.
1974 - support for Mobotu mode in Zaire.
1974 - preparation of aggression in Portugal.
1974 is an attempted coup in Cyprus.
1975 - the occupation of Western Sahara, the introduction of troops in Morocco.
1975 - Intervention in Australia's internal affairs.
1975 - attack on Cambodia.
1975-1989 - support for the genocide in East Timor.
1978 - military assistance to the dictator, financing of the genocide.
1979 - support for the cannibal Bokasa.
1979 - military assistance to the rebels of Yemen.
1980-1992 - military presence in El Salvador, special operations, genocide.
1980-1990 - military assistance to Iraq. A million dead in ten years.
1980 - support and financing of the Khmer Rouge.
1980 - Operation Gladio in Italy, 86 victims.
1980 is a punitive operation in South Korea.
1981 is an attempted coup in Zambia.
1981 - military pressure on Libya, two Libyan aircraft shot down.
1981-1990 - support for contra, terrorism, genocide.
1982 - interference in the internal affairs of Suriname.
1982-1983 - attack on Lebanon.
1982 - Genocide Support in Guatemala.
1983 - intervention in Grenada.
1983 - Interventions in the internal affairs of Angola.
1984 - Two Iranian aircraft shot down.
1984 - mining of the bays of Nicaragua.
1985 - financing of the genocide in Chad.
1986 - attack on Libya.
1986-1987 - attack on an Iranian ship in international waters, the destruction of the Iranian oil platform.
1986 - funding and military support for social terror, the seizure of natural resources.
1987-1988 - participation in the Iraq war against Iran, the use of chemical weapons.
1988 - financing of terror and genocide in Turkey.
1988 - The explosion of a Pan American passenger plane over Scotland. Guilt recognized by 2003.
1988 - the invasion of Honduras.
1988 - Destruction of an Iranian passenger plane. 1989 - intervention in Panama.
1989 - Two Libyan aircraft shot down. 1989 - bombing in the Philippines. 1989 is a punitive operation in the Virgin Islands.
1990 - Genocide in Guatemala.
1990 - the naval blockade of Iraq.
1990 - financing of the Bulgarian opposition ($ 1,5 million)
1991 - aggression against Iraq.
1991 - Kuwait bombing.
1992-1994 - the occupation of Somalia.
1992 - genocide and terror in the seizure of the natural wealth of Angola (650.000 people destroyed).
1993-1995 - the bombing of Bosnia.
1994-1996 - terror against Iraq.
1994 is the genocide in Rwanda (about 800 000 people).
1995 - bombing of Croatia.
1998 - destruction by a missile strike of a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan.
1998 - bombing of Iraq. 1999 - aggression against Yugoslavia.
2001 - the invasion of Afghanistan.
2002 - the entry of troops into the Philippines.
2003 - action in Liberia.
2003 - clashes with Syrian border guards.
2004 - troop deployment in Haiti.
2004 - Attempted coup in Equatorial Guinea.
2008 - the invasion of Pakistan.
2008 - War in South Ossetia
2011 - War in Libya
2013 - The war in Syria
2014 - War in Ukraine

[parusnik]

If mankind does not stop military conflicts, the arms race, it will remain dangling in near-earth orbit .. Sometimes indulging yourself, with the launches of vehicles, to the planets of the solar system ...

[The Siberian barber]

Looks like jumping, on a trampoline))) probably ready, since he says he will jump!
Well .. commendable ...)))

[Sergey Averchenkov]

All such critics ... well, there’s nowhere to go directly ... Sit in the place of Rogozin and I will criticize you. Have you tried to do something yourself? Are you sure you will succeed? I am not for Rogozin, I am against people like you.

[Alf]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Take a seat on Rogozin

He had already sat on so many chairs and, which is characteristic, was everywhere obshazhivalsya. Maybe it's not the chairs, but the stupidity of Rogozin?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

This is lyrics and rhetoric - sit down and do something. Oh, they don’t let you in there? I wonder why?

[Henderson]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

I wonder why?

Because feudalism, social elevators are absent. And all these posts are perceived by them as a feeding trough. Or maybe Rogozin really has such a gifted son that there was no one else to make Ilyushin’s director general at the age of 35? And dad has nothing to do with it?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Feudalism, capitalism, socialism ... What's the difference? Posts at any formation feeder. Do you have a different opinion? Well, justify. :) The point is not in the political system, but in the depravity of the human breed itself - know how to admit it. And this ... and you would not attach your son? AND? Also say no :)))

[Henderson]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Do you have a different opinion?

I see, for example, that the space industry is growing in the USA. A bunch of new missiles and ships are being created, all kinds of interplanetary vehicles are being launched.
And I see that in Russia, on the contrary, there is a decline, the market for launching heavy satellites has been lost. There is a series of constant accidents for reasons like "the sensor was bent during installation." This And there are signs of degradation, and they went en masse just with Rogozin's occupation of the position of curator of Roscosmos.
Coincidence?

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

And this ... and you would not attach your son?

In the normal system of nepotism should not be. I simply would not be allowed to do this. And what happens when all relatives occupy important posts, while not representing anything from themselves, this is precisely feudalism.
Or do you think that Liza Peskova will really raise the Russian "legal proceedings"?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It's hard for me to talk to you ... for example, I don't know who Liza Peskova is ... You constantly refer to extraneous examples, but started with something like Rogozin (more precisely, not with Rogozin, but with people like you - criticism without pointing out professional mistakes)? And yet ... you and I will never understand each other, because for me my country is "my country" and even if it is wrong in something, I will still be for it. It's like with a family - your son (wife, mother, father) made a mess ... you voluntarily put them into the hands of the executioners (what kind of father, husband, son are you then)? Or will you protect and understand the "home environment? Want some advice? Go to America and knock on your relatives, although, I think, with this approach, you will not be very happy there either."

[Henderson]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

I do not know who Lisa Peskova is

It would seem that one request in any search engine, and would not have to invent.

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

It's like with a family - your son (your wife, mother, father) shit ... you voluntarily betray them into the hands of the executioners

what is it generally said? I just said that if the manager is ineffective, then in a normal state he must be driven by a filthy broom. But in Russia this is no longer possible. There are no more mechanisms of people's influence on power.
And an argument like yours in the style of "get it first" is demagoguery. In essence, you are making excuses for what is happening.
By the way, about where they knock more. Who, under Stalin, wrote more than 4 million denunciations, did not swell?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

How do you want? In order for new effective managers to appear, he (the new manager) must achieve something. And no one said that it would be easy - it is always difficult to climb to the top. It is on this path that "virginity" (sorry), childhood dreams of a just world, is lost. So chase with a nasty broom, but who will you put? Probably yourself? :))) Are you sure you won't break? The system is a terrible thing - it breaks at once.
Do not tell me about Stalin, it’s you who are fried under the hot sun of California and pampered with neon signs of Moscow, are afraid of harsh conditions, and I lived 25 years in the extreme north, there were also camps - the average annual temperature is -42. And by the way, the toilet was on the street. :)

[Henderson]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

he (the new manager) must achieve something. And no one said that it would be easy - to climb to the top is always difficult.

he does not climb up. Again. Under his leadership, the industry is stagnating and degrading. Already 6 years in a row. New managers come there can not because of the very nepotism.

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

but whom do you put? Probably yourself?

Do you think that in Russia the entire population is completely stupid people, and there are no more people besides Rogozin’s sons and wives?

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

The system is a terrible thing - it breaks at a time.

Exactly what the system is. And Rogozin is just her screw.
And who created it just like that, without checks and balances?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Did not understand you. How can a new manager appear without the desire to go up? So I don’t want to go upstairs, even kill (and in the sense of the direction of this site, I thought and still think that pure epaulettes are a clear conscience). All 2 years as an ordinary, they wanted to appropriate something, but I went into the air, on purpose - for 12 days my lips were just unpleasant, but I remained myself. But if you want to achieve something, be prepared to assign ranks, regalia, and be prepared to like the authorities. And hell, I’m not defending Rogozin, go with him in three Russian letters, I’m trying to explain to you that you wouldn’t do better ... If you agreed that you know what a system is, you should know that you can’t overcome it . Either live outside the system, or obey it.

Second. Is it okay? The argument is already long - so as not to lose the thread of the conversation. Are we talking specifically about Rogozin (more precisely, about your attitude towards him)? Or his entire family? If about your attitude, then to me, if about his family, then forgive me. Do you think I am a stupid person? Would you like me to read Hamlet to you - without interruption, right now? Want Blok? Blake? Of course it is impossible to grasp the immensity, but I know something - believe me. And it will not be advertising crap "pharmacy, street lamp".

Rogozin screw, you screw, I screw ... But how else? I’m even funny. :))) Of course the cogs. Who created it? Russia? Maybe Rurikovich? :) Where do you go?

[Henderson]

Talking about "get it first" is the usual demagoguery. That's all.

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Would you like me to read Hamlet to you - without interruption, right now?

cramming is not an indicator of the mind, alas. At least dance.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

If you want to read Pushkin, Lermontov, Tsvetaeva ... And not only poetry - Dostoevsky, Tolstoy (from the first to the last volume - not literally of course). Do you remember Lermontov, the "demon"? "And the evil bullet of the Ossetian caught up with him in the darkness." It is very relevant against the background of the Georgian - Russian war. I do not want to offend any of you, but books ... this is the accumulated knowledge before us. Read on.

[Henderson]

I can read books myself. So I would rather you dance.
In dances there are archetypes of the whole people. That would manifest itself that you will consciously hide from everyone.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Do you have any idea what I'm talking about? “You took the master out of the battle like an arrow, but the evil bullet of the Ossetian caught up with him in the darkness” 2008. With whom and for whom did we fight? Or your drooling has dropped altogether (sorry). If so ... then it's up to you to ride. Or you are 13 years old and there is nothing to talk to you about.

[Henderson]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Do you have any idea what I'm talking about? "You took the master out of the battle like an arrow, but the evil bullet of the Ossetian caught up with him in the darkness." With whom and for whom did we fight?

really with Rogozin and the system? If not, how does this relate to the topic of discussion? Or a quote from Lermontov in our time should automatically cause "drooling"?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Sorry for sagging. Has broken. Lermontov described ... you continue? Good. The war between Ossetians and Georgians. They are always each other ... but what do you explain? Please read, this is not at all difficult. By the way, we fought for South Ossetia, I don’t know who you are for. So the desire to say - correct forelock.

[Henderson]

Well, from the very first moment I did not doubt the Ukrainization of your mind.
And in Ossetia I visit periodically, if anything, I know everything without Lermontov.
But what does this have to do with Rogozin? You have nothing to show off?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It's easy to check - Krasnoyarsk. Red Army Street 67. Apt. 1 If you want, I can give you my phone number - they are afraid of no one. Oh yes ... Averchenkov Sergey Alexandrovich - at your service. And do not be proud that you do not know Lermontov.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Damn, it infuriates me - do you chew it all or do you deign to inquire?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You are not a very educated person - read from Blok.

[faiver]

when I read such news I remember a song by Rasputina -
Let me go to the Himalayas, let me go completely
or I’m for howling, or I’m for barking, or else I’ll eat someone ....

[gsev]

Quote: Resident of the Urals

Funny photo -Dodon looks at Rogozin with such a look, they say, what kind of (strange words) are you talking about?

It seems that way it is. To win the free elections with the opposition of the Western propaganda machine, one must be an intelligent person.

[Dimon grin]

But what is there to check, I hope at least one device had a Geiger counter and everything will become clear.

[Karabin]

Met two. One in Moldova does not decide a damn thing, even though the president, the other in Roskosmos, though the head. It’s good that there are pyndos with a muddy lunar program, or there’s nothing to talk about.

[Baloo]

We set such a task: to fly, to check - were or were not. They say they were. We will check
- Rogozin said.

Who would doubt that.

In fact, Leonov repeatedly in an interview on TV unequivocally confirmed that the Amers were and there is confirmation of this.
As for Mars, maybe for a start we’ll put in order the hospitals, build new ones, raise the salaries of state employees, put the fleet in order?

[pro100y.belarus]

When Gagarin flew into space, did Soviet people live "in chocolate"? It can take decades to "restore order" in the country, and all the same, the budget will be plundered.
Space will not wait so long.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: pro100y.belarus

Space will not wait so long.

There are more relevant and no less breakthrough projects that can become the engine of the economy. For example, the Sakhalin-Hokkaido bridge. Now only Russia has the technology to build such structures.

[artifact]

Quote: Balu

We set such a task: to fly, to check - were or were not. They say they were. We will check
- Rogozin said.

Who would doubt that.

In fact, Leonov repeatedly in an interview on TV unequivocally confirmed that the Amers were and there is confirmation of this.
As for Mars, maybe for a start we’ll put in order the hospitals, build new ones, raise the salaries of state employees, put the fleet in order?

Aleksei Arkhipovich could not have complete information, for example, such as senior management if it supported American falsification.
second, with this approach (about hospitals) we would never even launch a satellite.

[Topgun]

what complete information? he tells you in Russian that they knew about every sneeze of American engineers, all the tests were all documented, everyone was in the know, as another cosmonaut Grechko said, “after the work they did it was easier to fly to the moon than not to fly” and shoot a movie ...
can you quote at least one specialist that they did not fly to the moon?
Ato, you understand that Alexei Arkhipovich is not in your courses, but in your courses that you didn’t, who told you? or are you smarter than Alexei Arkhipovich? he can’t put together evidence that they didn’t fly and you could ...

[artifact]

Quote: Topgun

what complete information? he tells you in Russian that they knew about every sneeze of American engineers, all the tests were all documented, everyone was in the know, as another cosmonaut Grechko said, “after the work they did it was easier to fly to the moon than not to fly” and shoot a movie ...
can you quote at least one specialist that they did not fly to the moon?
Ato, you understand that Alexei Arkhipovich is not in your courses, but in your courses that you didn’t, who told you? or are you smarter than Alexei Arkhipovich? he can’t put together evidence that they didn’t fly and you could ...

do not admit the thought that the Americans were just "splurging"? maybe they wanted to take us to a race in space a little earlier !? After all, I proceed from the fact that, purely technically, with the level of even that time! , flying to the moon is not a problem (as the USSR proved). But here's what to do with overcoming "Van Allen's belt. They say there were no means to protect the astronaut. A lot of facts, I am convinced that" they were not there. "Then they would have shot a movie in the pavilion ,,,.

[Topgun]

about radiation you miss 1n moment - time!
they invest a lot in the concept of radiation and foil is enough for protection against a lot (I'm not talking about a hat on my head )
suddenly and radiologists are irradiated, such a profession, they have controls and when it accumulates! dose - they act ...
In short, they were irradiated, but during the time that they were there they did not manage to accumulate what would affect their health ...

[artifact]

I think we can already start waiting for ours to confirm the "visit" of the moon by the valiant Yankees.
By the way, could you comment on the post above about the fact that the Americans will not allow us to explore "their" lunar landing site?

[Topgun]

in the sense of not allowing? do they have police on the moon who will arrest? :))
I heard that NASA asked everyone who would fly to the moon (including to confirm the landings) not to land directly in the areas where they were landing so as not to trample! traces, probably they want to save these traces, make a museum, I think it's worth doing with moon rovers too, traces on regolith is a very cool museum for future generations! I think no one will mind if you land a kilometer from the historical zone and take a photo from a distance, or you can spill a meter from the surface of the moon above the landing zone and take pictures of almost atoms ...

[region58]

Quote: Topgun

NASA asked everyone who will fly to the moon

It was a deal. It was ASKED.

[Dr. Sorge]

That link to Leonov is not an actual source. We carefully look at his statements about Soviet cosmonautics and his 404 membership in some financial institutions :)

[Kawado]

To be honest, there are huge doubts about the US space program as a whole.
Shuttle, Hubble, satellites in orbit of the ZhPS, reconnaissance, etc. - are tangible. Everything else is in question.
While the USSR was doing something, earthlings moved in space achievements, as soon as the USSR collapsed, everything stood up to stake. And after 30 years, in the 21st century, Americans launch mannequins into space, but they can’t deliver a man to the ISS ...
But for Russia it is really hard today to exploit space on the same scale.
it’s necessary not to fight, but to master space

[ender]

Yes, there is not long left ..

Roscosmos and the Russian Academy of Sciences within the framework of the created joint working group on space exploration can consider the issue of a manned flight to the moon in the interests of science, said the head of Roscosmos Vladimir Popovkin on January 29, 2013.


Russia

In the draft program for research on the solar system until 2025, prepared by scientists of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the study of the moon is called a priority.
In the first phase, which is to begin in 2015, the Earth satellite will be investigated by the Luna-Resource and Luna-Glob probes. One of them will study the South Pole, where it is planned to land a Russian landing probe with an Indian mini-rover.
At the second stage - after 2020 - new lunar rovers, Lunokhod-3 and Lunokhod-4, will operate on the lunar surface. They will differ from the Soviet lunar rovers in much smaller size and, at the same time, a large resource. It is planned that the new lunar rovers will be able to operate in the polar regions of the Moon for up to five years and move away from the landing site at a distance of up to 30 kilometers. It is planned that in 2023 a descent vehicle with a return rocket will go to the moon, which will land near Lunokhod-3 and Lunokhod-4. Then six or seven capsules with lunar material will be reloaded from the lunar rovers into a return rocket that will return them to Earth.
The lunar rovers and the landing station remaining on the lunar surface will constitute the first elements of the space infrastructure of the lunar test site with the prospect of deploying a future Russian lunar base in this area.

[NordUral]

Ender! And how to react to this? Rejoice or cry, tell me.

[ender]

enthusiastically, of course

[NordUral]

And where do you get this enthusiasm?

[Kawado]

Well, actually "nothing is being done in the country, everything has been stolen," in fact, there is where to draw. Especially if you drive around the country to see. Here recently a whole bridge to Crimea was launched, and many other things are constantly being launched, not that there is some kind of rocket to the moon.

[Phil77]

Forgive me, dear, this chapter of the type of space, well, there’s absolutely nothing to do forever?! Here it’s a problem, huh?! A team of all, one for a duel doesn’t understand anyone, he’s going to study this Shtatnik program! ? address? Is it really the Kremlin?!?

[gsev]

Quote: Gardamir

I don’t know how Americans are. But it would be necessary to check for theft in Roscosmos.

Under Yeltsin, much more was stolen in the space industry. For example, at the NGO named after Lavochkin, then managers, workers paid the minimum wage with an annual delay, and for privatized income gave each other platinum bullions for birthdays. Perhaps during the reign of Rogozin, they have not yet learned how to effectively develop the space industry, but they already know how to stop flagrant fraud and theft. Perhaps from here there is so much abuse to Rogozin and his curators.

[Henderson]

Quote: gsev

but they already know how to stop flagrant machinations and thefts.

Is this called "they know how to suppress"? Yes, they are the source of these very machinations.

The head of the Audit Chamber, Alexei Kudrin, said that the state-owned corporation Roscosmos is the record holder for the scale of financial irregularities, reports TASS. He said this in an interview with the program "Actors" on the channel "Russia 1".
According to him, big problems with Roskosmos are associated with irrational spending, all kinds of violations of discipline, procurement procedures, and overpricing.
"Well, in addition, several billion were lost - that is, in fact, stolen - and now investigations are ongoing," Kudrin said.
He added that a lot of funds were “dead” due to unfinished or idle facilities, where funds on accounts have not been used for months.

[NordUral]

Rogozin also said that today no state is able to implement the lunar program on their own. In its plans for the development of the Earth satellite, Russia will cooperate with the United States.

Another dimon erupted, then check, then cooperate.

[Phil77]

From these dimons, well, I just want to feel sick! I'm sorry !!!!

[NordUral]

From the Dimons? Or from Medvedev, Rogozin?

[Phil77]

Dear Nord Ural, That’s never a Stalinist, but why ???? he had experienced pros in all branches of industry, science, and everything, but this one ... Well, don’t understand who, ches.slovo.Degrodatsiya?

[NordUral]

The tasks were different for Stalin and these. Stalin and the people-created. I’ll not point these fingers, they are destroying, but the people are silent. That's somehow very sad.

[Phil77]

Yes, I agree, about the tasks! But the solution suggests itself !! If you want a result, put the pros, not the one who licks your ass !! Well, damn it, a little time !!!!

[NordUral]

What a pop, such a parish, Sergey!

[Phil77]

It's sad, but very good and very bad! Are we different? The grandchildren of the winners?! Well, they’ll peck, probably? Or will we think all the same?!?!

[NordUral]

Sergey! Our people, like Ilya Muromets and Ivanushka, are still lying and dozing, saying that everything will resolve by itself. And how to hammer into their skulls that time does not wait, the world is rapidly redrawing everywhere, and what is happening in our country, in general, gives rise to alarm for the future.
And the task of the leaders of the leftist and generally patriotic opposition is to awaken the people, and to create a united front for the struggle against this organized crime group.

[artifact]

all is well, but it would be better without the Americans. there is no trust in them ....

[flicker]

We set such a task: to fly, to check - were or were not. They say they were. We will check

It Rogozin decided so Dodona troll or what?

[Phil77]

Yes, damn it, the main question is not, well, where does the main for everything take these (), eh?!?! Where is he, this incubator, eh?!?!

[painter]

Duc drank Moldavian cognac and dreams, dreams

[Phil77]

Don’t drink horseradish, if you are responsible for such an industry! Want to drink? Well then, nothing else !!!!

[shadow]

Trump's American adviser himself said officially that there were no Americans on the moon. The refutation of his words, also official, I did not find, maybe someone will find, show.

[dgonni]

Someone still thinks that the USSR would have missed the option of not landing states on the moon? Like a kids word chees.

[Oquzyurd]

“During a conversation with Dodon, Rogozin suggested checking whether the Americans had landed on the moon.” In one step, it is necessary to check the landing of the USSR lunar rover on the moon, since it is possible with a high probability that this landing was not.

[razved]

Dodon, what does Roskosmos have to do with it? Or did Rogozin lead him on an excursion from an old friendship? Generally, a strange company for such statements ...

[UFO Pilot]

The robot avatar D.O. loves to talk about Rogozin is a technology invented in the 90s of the last century (patent for invention No. 2134193 ru). A description of this technology can be found on the Internet by search queries: "Advanced diving technologies with unlimited immersion depth" and "Anthropomorphic underwater robot avatar"

[16112014nk]

The head of Roscosmos is a journalist. The result of the activity, as in the advertisement of "Moskitola" - that is why they do not fly. ©

[100502]

He knows how to idiot he brains to powder.

[Sergej1972]

He has long been a public politician.

[VeteranVSSSR]

And who is Ragozin?

[Phil77]

And who is Putin? Like a Chekist? Well, yes, we believe, also a scout !!!!

[bang]

Interestingly, the test starts with a jump on a trampoline? "Soyuz" under Rogozinsky's sensitive leadership do not reach orbit.
Mr. Smith send Rogozin one operation.

[Wened]

Russian cosmonaut Sergei Ryazansky commented on the words of the head of Roskosmos about checking the stay of the Americans on the Moon, stating that after visiting the Moon, the Americans should leave traces of their landing on the surface of the earth's satellite.

There should remain Apollo landing modules, like

[ochakow703]

Yes, not Korolev. And his plans are too small. And about knowledge in the field of astronautics ... an effective manager and a chatterbox (journalist).

[Phil77]

Absolutely no one, alas, the whole team is so far away and the main one is not STALIN !!!!

[Phil77]

Someone is real!? With the letter H? !!!?

[GibSoN]

Fresh joke for the weekend)) Well, what would people have something to do)

Let's better in essence! All the same, this is not RT or RIA Novosti! People, no matter how more educated, come in .. Are there specialists who can really substantiate the current technical capabilities of the Russian Federation for interplanetary flight? It is clear that it is possible to launch a "set of bones and a mug of blood" into orbit using USSR technologies, but how are things going with the distant frontiers? I think so on "Soyuz" nobody will be sent there .. Not an expert, I would like to know the opinions of "rummaging".

[Lena363]

Dimon nothing more to do? And what will he do after 2030, when Russian cosmonauts supposedly fly to the moon? There, either the khan will die or the donkey will die.

[100502]

I think he will bury Roskosmos earlier.

[Russobel]

No, but you fly and check ...
Panikovsky

[Dead hand]

Quote: Tersky

Quote: SHURUM-BURUM

And what is it all so excited against Rogozin?

No one is excited against Rogozin, they are being excited against his words, which raise a number of questions: 1. What for? If there are no traces of the Americans on the Moon, this will not change anything - the same will be repeated as with the Skripal case. 2. At whose expense? This interests me as a taxpayer. 3. Why now? When it can be solved along the way with some current task in the future.

At your leisure, find out where Roscosmos gets its money from.
...obviously not your so-called taxes...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Dead Hand

At your leisure, find out where Roscosmos gets its money from.
...obviously not your so-called taxes...

And where?

. Speaking at the “Space as a Business” conference, Vladimir Putin’s assistant Andrei Belousov said that Roscosmos has been living off the budget since Soviet times and operating with virtually no profit, reports an RBC correspondent.

[Altona]

It seems to me that such “checks” will lead to a large-scale revision of the entire history of manned astronautics. They are still happening, but in response, “checks” of Gagarin’s flight will begin. In general, we should not carry out historical “checks”, but still start getting down to business. And Rogozin, according to his journalistic habit, is all slipping into some kind of PR. As a result, accidents multiply, projects gather dust, technologies are destroyed.

[voyaka uh]

Russian cosmonauts, when they get to the Moon, will place the Russian flag next to the American one from Apollo. It will be nice. Over time, over the centuries, it will become absolutely unimportant who was first.
(who cares now whether the Spaniard Columbus discovered America or the Viking Eric?)

[Russian]

Let them check, everyone should forget about it

[region58]

We set such a task: to fly, to check - were or were not. They say they were. We will check
- Rogozin said.

[Fox]

Everything has long been proven by the Americans themselves:

[Dr. Sorge]

A very relevant and urgent task in Russian rocket science.

[Parvis rasulov]

How can you say that man was on the moon?
Technically, the flight itself is possible in one direction, but the question is different: how to return back to earth, how did NASA solve this problem then in its supposed flight to the moon?
If they solved this problem then, why don’t the shuttles fly to the moon now? What’s stopping them from resuming flights to the moon now?

[Topgun]

I wonder what actually prevents you from returning from the moon?

[Parvis rasulov]

to return from the moon, if it is a rocket, then a launcher is needed, if it is a shuttle or a reusable ship, then there is a lot of fuel for the engine or a rocket accelerator to get out of the lunar gravity, this is the main reason why man has not visited the moon so far, even the lunar rovers sent to the moon did not return back, since they had not yet come up with systems that would allow them to return back

[voyaka uh]

It's much easier to go back. The Moon has low gravity and no atmosphere and does not require a powerful engine to rise from the surface to orbit.
There are many shots of them taking off from the moon. Filmed by cameras from the orbital module. Very beautiful, by the way.

[Selevc]

Where are these “many frames???” - give me the links to look... Why, when they talk about Lunar missions on TV, do they always show the SAME filming??? Launching Apollo, the separating stage, and already the astronauts jumping around the Lunar Module - where is the rest of the video footage??? They should have been filmed simply by the sea and not some pathetic crumbs that the United States palms off on us under the slogan “A Great Achievement of Humanity”!!! ))

[voyaka uh]

Pictures - the sea.
The simplest thing, Google
photos from apollo missions.
But there is a lot of “garbage” there.
Second: NASA official website
www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/missions/index.html
But there you need to know English, look further.

[voyaka uh]

Very interesting footage from the orbit of the Moon. Google:
apollo moon orbit pictures
There, from the descent module, their orbital vehicle (on which they returned to Earth) was photographed. And vice versa: a vehicle landing on the Moon was photographed from the orbiter. Against the backdrop of the Moon and Earth above the horizon.

[Selevc]

Well, what kind of links did you send me??? Where is the proof that this was 100% taken by astronauts and not a banal photo fake??? Pictures of the surface of the Moon do not mean that they were taken by astronauts, but this was not taken by automatic stations or just a banal photo-film montage!!!

[voyaka uh]

I'm sorry. I thought I was talking to a serious person.
But it’s okay, maybe others will take a look.

[Selevc]

If you turn on your brains at least a little, then probably, therefore, the United States, after the flights to the Moon, should have taken 1st and absolute leadership in the world in the field of manned space flights... Why did they need to lose leadership in the space race with the USSR in the 70s??? But for some reason the Apollo program ended quickly and deadlocked. Isn’t that strange???

Why did the United States stop at the threshold of the era of lunar exploration??? - isn’t this wild and strange??? Were 6 expeditions to the Moon really enough to fully explore the Earth’s satellite???

Did the US lie about space issues??? - yes, they lied and this lie was called “Star Wars”!!!
A laser has not yet been invented that can be placed on a satellite and shoot down ballistic missiles with it - and the United States made cartoons about this in the 80s!!!

Most likely, in the case of the Apollo project, we are dealing with a lie of cosmic proportions - from the main international swindler of the planet, the USA!!! Too many questions around the topic of lunar missions remain unanswered and there is too much strange and dark surrounding it!!!

[Selevc]

And I also don’t understand at all why the former Soviet space projects are working - (modernized, of course) are actively used by Russia, and everything related to the Apollo project is either irretrievably lost, destroyed, or abandoned!!! Isn't this strange???

[region58]

Quote: Selevc

everything related to the Apollo project is either irretrievably lost, destroyed, or abandoned

Alas, it’s similar here... Everything related to the N1-L3 complex (USSR Lunar Program) is also abandoned and forgotten. The same can be said about Energia-Buran. Sad but true...

[100502]

I hate this demagogue.

[Naughty]

Quote: SHURUM -BURUM

And what is it all so excited against Rogozin? I am glad, for example, that finally the only sensible suggestion from his company was to check for the lice of amers. At least there's finally some real benefit from going to the moon as opposed to sitting through pants full of ambition at state expense. You don’t mind spending money on this. At least in automatic mode. Sit very close to the place that Hollywood chose and thoroughly explore and document. Until Musk got ahead and sent the American walking robot (they no longer walk, but runs and jumps) so that it would trample on the tracks and run away.

Which moon? What are you about? Soon the people will have no money to eat. And you're talking about the moon. Will this make our life more fun?

[Larum]

He wants to check at state expense; he doesn’t trust either the president or the cosmonauts of the USSR. Consider them liars?

For your money - yes please. check yourself... a small satellite for photographs and that's it.

Alas, he wants to cut for a long, long time....

[Shraik]

Rogozin had better check his head!

[aszzz888]

During a conversation with Dodon, Rogozin suggested checking whether the Americans had landed on the Moon.

... it wouldn’t hurt to put the mericatos in the ostrich pose...

[iouris]

Why did you frame Dodon? He recently flew to Washington to report - that’s where he had to troll.

[servant.]

Let him check it at his own expense. It would be better if he kept his industry in order and not indulged in populism...

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

Before you say anything, you need to think ten times, comrade. Rogozin, otherwise you could disgrace yourself to the whole world!

[APASUS]

The question is not whether Ragozin believes the American flight to the Moon, but whether the words of Rogozin himself can be trusted? According to him, we should have mastered all of space on the new Angara rocket, but things are still there........................

[Mentat]

Quote: renics

Quote: Thrall

Well, or right away they’ll take from the clowns ...

Are there few of them in the state? Cosmonaut Sergei Ryazansky commented on the words of the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin about the stay of the Americans on the moon. At the moment, no state is able to implement the lunar program alone, so Russia expects to cooperate with the United States in this area. But after this, the astronaut refuted what he said that he had no doubt in the fact of the landing of the Americans on the moon. That being said, started for health, finished for peace.

Doubt or non-doubt of anyone does not in any way interfere with taking photographs, so that there is no room for doubt and factual material appears from one’s own source.
But so much bile about this harmless statement (if there is such a concrete confidence) looks strange.

[Evil 55]

Yeah...my son will check him...he’s also a specialist and medal bearer born in 1983..

[Skifotavr]

I am in favor of him personally flying there and checking it out - this can only be entrusted to a professional!

[Wizzzard]

Dima the journalist hasn't screwed up enough about launch accidents yet? Now you're into non-science fiction altogether? Another unsinkable... Well, he’s a specialist, we need to take care of such people...

[Atilla]

I would advise him to first check his head for brains, and while King Dodon is around, so does he.

[M. Michelson]

Once upon a time such a drawing was published in the foreign press. Soviet leaders put Dubcek in a rocket to launch him to the Moon and say: “It’s okay, you’ll like it there.”

And now there’s no need for Dubcek either. Rogozin can also be launched.

[Selevc]

It's funny - by God... Almost 50 years have passed since the Americans flew to the Moon!!! Hundreds of books have been published on this topic and kilometers of films and videos have been shot... And now LEGITIMATE questions arise for the USA and NASA in particular...
The questions are roughly the following:

1. Where are the American “lunar” technologies and where is the US leadership in the field of manned space flights???
2. Is it in principle possible for a crew of astronauts to fly beyond the Earth’s magnetic field without special protection of the ship from cosmic radiation???
3. Where are the materials brought by the Americans from the Moon??? - there should be a lot of them and not crumbs!!!
4. Why has not a single country in the world flown to the Moon so far - and many developed space powers are not even planning manned flights???
5. Why fly to Mars if the Moon has not been properly explored???
These questions are simple - they are at the level of knowledge of a high school student!!!

Russia and other developed countries are full of professors and academicians related to space in one way or another - can they intelligently and intelligibly answer these questions??? Or they will mumble again, answering like “We were, I bet” or something funny like that...))

[1536]

In order to check, you must first fly there. But today no one needs it. In fact, what is there in this Cosmos? There is no water, there are no minerals, there is no life, there are not even robots and there is absolutely no one to save. Let's build a base on the Moon or Mars, then what? And there we will fight with each other, rob the Moon, poach on Mars. And then, amicably and collectively, we ask everything to some aliens who will be stronger than us, or will promise us money and new technologies. No, modern earthlings cannot be sent beyond geostationary orbit.

[gsev]

Quote: Henderson

Is this called "they know how to suppress"? Yes, they are the source of these very machinations.

But we don’t hear about such delays and such ingots under Rogozin. So there is progress compared to Chernomyrdin, Yeltsin and Gaidar.