Ex-diplomat of Japan: Russia can give two islands, and two themselves will be ours

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In Japan, a heated discussion continues on the so-called "Northern Territories". Recall that the Japanese continue to call the Russian Kuril Islands.





Discussion of the territorial issue, which as such is exclusively for Japan itself, is conducted not only by politicians, but also in the writing world. So, the writer Masaru Sato, well-known in Japan, decided to present his point of view. Earlier, Mr. Sato (born in 1960) graduated from one of the local universities in the Theology course, after which, by fate, he ended up in the analytical department of the Japanese Foreign Ministry. One of the main directions in his work was connected with Russia. Sato worked in the Japanese embassy in the Russian capital and often lectured students of the Faculty of Philosophy of Moscow State University. About what views after these lectures Russian students could permeate is a separate question.

Now Sato does not work in the structures of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but he considers it his duty to comment on the latest events around the “Northern Territories issue”.

His statements published edition "Sankei".

Sato reports that there are five logistic options for dealing with the islands: from 4: 0 in favor of Tokyo (in terms of the number of islands in the South Kuriles) to what is today - 0: 4, when the islands remain in Russia.

The former employee of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan himself believes that Moscow and Tokyo “could have stayed on 2: 2”, when “Shikotan and Habomai are behind Japan,” and “Iturup and Kunashir are behind Russia.” In doing so, Masaru Sato develops his thought in the following direction: after obtaining Tokyo’s sovereignty over the two islands, it is possible to proceed with the conclusion of a cultural and economic agreement with Moscow on the other two islands.

Sato:
The Japanese will begin to freely visit Kunashir and Iturup, and over time, the Japaneseization of these islands will itself lead to the fact that they, too, will become Japanese. It is now important that Russia recognize our sovereignty over Shikotan and Habomai.


The Japanese writer and ex-analyst at the Foreign Ministry continues:
Japan, after consulting with the United States, could make a promise to Putin that the American bases on the islands would not appear.


Further, Sato reports that the interaction of Russia and Japan "will help restrain China." Who will help?
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  1. Underwater hunter
    +76
    20 November 2018 15: 53
    I say, arrogant comrades. Do not give them anything! We need to stop all negotiations on this issue. Let the peace treaty be signed first, and then we’ll agree for about 500 years ..
    1. +7
      20 November 2018 15: 58
      It seems that the decision to give the two islands to the Japs is a settled matter, it is simple, the trade for the "price" ... sad
      1. Underwater hunter
        +25
        20 November 2018 16: 01
        Quote: Snail N9
        It seems that the decision to give the two islands to the Japs is a settled matter, it is simple, the trade for the "price" ... sad

        This will be outrageous .... let's see, I hope that at least a drop of reason remains in power ..
        1. +40
          20 November 2018 16: 07
          Underwater hunter (Vladimir)
          This will be outrageous .... let's see, I hope that at least a drop of reason remains in power ..
          laughing Well, hope. Over 2018, our authorities have poured so many hopes that I won’t be surprised even once if this happens. What will be interesting for us then to print in excuse? feel
          1. Underwater hunter
            +16
            20 November 2018 16: 10
            Quote: Observer2014
            Underwater hunter (Vladimir)
            This will be outrageous .... let's see, I hope that at least a drop of reason remains in power ..
            laughing Well, hope. Over 2018, our authorities have poured so many hopes that I won’t be surprised even once if this happens. What will be interesting for us then to print in excuse? feel

            Yes, if you look at what is happening in his last term, then everything can be expected ..
            1. +18
              20 November 2018 16: 32
              Quote: Underwater Hunter
              Quote: Observer2014
              Underwater hunter (Vladimir)
              This will be outrageous .... let's see, I hope that at least a drop of reason remains in power ..
              laughing Well, hope. Over 2018, our authorities have poured so many hopes that I won’t be surprised even once if this happens. What will be interesting for us then to print in excuse? feel

              Yes, if you look at what is happening in his last term, then everything can be expected ..

              And why did you decide that this is his last term? In Kazakhstan, we corrected the constitution three or four times. And yours is young in years compared to ours.
              1. +12
                20 November 2018 16: 33
                Semurg
                And why did you decide that this is his last term? In Kazakhstan, we corrected the constitution three or four times.
                laughing This is really
                1. +12
                  20 November 2018 17: 42
                  There can be no confidence in the Japanese over the South Kuril Islands!

                  Japan has not yet repented of its war crimes in the last century!
                  Russia should be reminded of this by Abe - before entering into any negotiations with Japan at all regarding the ownership of the South Kuril Islands.
                  1. +10
                    20 November 2018 19: 57
                    If we show weakness in this matter and give way, the line will be lined up with claims, and Japan will remember the sex of Sakhalin and then there will be no end and edge.
              2. Underwater hunter
                +4
                20 November 2018 16: 34
                Quote: Semurg
                Quote: Underwater Hunter
                Quote: Observer2014
                Underwater hunter (Vladimir)
                This will be outrageous .... let's see, I hope that at least a drop of reason remains in power ..
                laughing Well, hope. Over 2018, our authorities have poured so many hopes that I won’t be surprised even once if this happens. What will be interesting for us then to print in excuse? feel

                Yes, if you look at what is happening in his last term, then everything can be expected ..

                And why did you decide that this is his last term? In Kazakhstan, we corrected the constitution three or four times.

                And Putin and Nazarbayev are friends, there is something to learn .. I assumed, although I admit that not the last ..
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          2. +13
            20 November 2018 16: 37
            after obtaining Tokyo’s sovereignty over the two islands, it is possible to proceed with the conclusion of a cultural and economic agreement with Moscow on the other two islands.

            Appetite comes with eating.
            While Okinawa is under America, they will not see any two, and even more so four islands.
            1. +13
              20 November 2018 16: 50
              Quote: figvam
              While Okinawa is under America, they will not see any two, and even more so four islands.

              Sergey, it was not necessary to write, your nickname is enough for them Yes
              1. +5
                20 November 2018 16: 53
                Quote: Tersky
                your nickname is enough for them

                Well, in principle, yes, I agree.
            2. +1
              20 November 2018 17: 11
              While Okinawa is under America, no two, let alone four islands, can they see
              Why did you write this? Are you the president of Russia? They will give and they will not ask you.
              1. +4
                20 November 2018 17: 15
                Quote: Gardamir
                Why did you write this?

                Here everyone can write their opinion without asking you.
                Quote: Gardamir
                Are you the president of Russia?

                No...
                Quote: Gardamir
                They will give and they will not ask you.

                Are you the president of Russia?
                1. +3
                  20 November 2018 18: 51
                  Here everyone can write their opinion without asking you.
                  When I started with VO, there were more intellectual conversations. After all, your opinion may sound something like this, "I am against the transfer of the islands to Japan." You spoke as if it depends only on you whether Japan will have islands, and this is at least stupid.
                  As for your last question, it’s enough simple logic to watch what happens, and not what they say on TV.
                  1. 0
                    20 November 2018 19: 29
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    When I started at VO

                    Well, let's now measure who started when.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    After all, your opinion may sound something like this, "I am against the transfer of the islands to Japan"

                    What are these slogans for? Or are we voting?
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    You spoke out as if it depends only on you whether the islands of Japan will depend, and this is at least stupid

                    Well, if you thought so, well, let it be so. Although you have already decided everything for the Kremlin, they will pass it on and they will not ask us.
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    As for your last question, it’s enough simple logic to watch what happens, and not what they say on TV.

                    Logic suggests that if the division in the Kuril Islands was actively and quickly re-equipped, it is clearly not for the surrender of the islands, especially in the current situation.
              2. +4
                20 November 2018 19: 17
                After that, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be our inland, therefore, our Pacific fleet, including the apl, will be defenseless in this direction. Better then immediately tomahawks in the Rostov region ((((((Our government I hope not suicides.
            3. +1
              21 November 2018 05: 48
              And even if the Americans get out of Japan, will it be necessary to give territory to the Japanese?
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        3. +4
          20 November 2018 16: 48
          nobody will give anything back. And not the islands need the Japanese. If you give at least two islands, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will be left without fish - because fish migrate between these islands. I think Moscow will not refuse from Magadan caviar.
          1. +21
            20 November 2018 20: 56
            Will give comrade, give. Listen to Peskov, they are NEGOTIATING, i.e. discuss the terms of the transfer. Peskov says that "Japan is a very important partner, of course we must unleash the full potential of our relations ... We need to attract Japanese investments." Those. he says plainly that the islands will be SOLD. The sequence of events following Putin's victory is downright frightening. I, like many, hoped for a left turn and on the road to a socialist state ... And what in fact? I think it's not worth listing the newest "ACHIEVEMENTS". We are talking about patriotism from all screens, but who is in power? Big capital, oligarchy! I get the feeling that over the next 6 years they want to milk the country dry and dump ... My heart hurts from these thoughts.
            1. 0
              21 November 2018 07: 09
              I fully share your point of view.
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        5. +9
          20 November 2018 18: 27
          Quote: Underwater Hunter
          This will be outrageous .... let's see, I hope that at least a drop of reason remains in power ..

          The whole mind leaked out. It was replaced by botex and Argentinean coconut.
        6. +5
          20 November 2018 20: 51
          After the pension reform, or rather the speed of its adoption, power and reason are the antipodes hi
        7. tap
          0
          21 November 2018 08: 50
          Reason? Look what is happening in the country. Let's go in different ways.
      2. +7
        20 November 2018 16: 02
        In Japan, a heated discussion continues on the issue of the so-called “Northern Territories”.

        Why's that?! The responsible comrades here have repeatedly told us that there will be no transfer of islands, that they say all this is liberal nonsense!
        It looks like someone, us or them, is being misinformed.
      3. +4
        20 November 2018 16: 11
        Quote: Snail N9
        It seems that the decision to give two islands to the Japs is a settled decision,

        There are no signs of this except Japanese tryndzha.
      4. +6
        20 November 2018 16: 13
        Listen two years ago, Putin traveled to Japan. And just as many media outlets and all sorts of Strelkovs started to howl with them, Putin supposedly gives away the islands ...
        1. +9
          20 November 2018 17: 24
          Quote: Sith Lord
          And just as many media outlets and all sorts of Strelkovs howled with them,

          so now the Japanese say so, and Peskov speaks of the necessity and importance of a peace treaty
        2. 0
          20 November 2018 18: 05
          Well, this is not a quick matter. If you have brains, then you can (though not always), but see something in advance. Strelkova has brains
      5. +3
        20 November 2018 16: 22
        Quote: Snail N9
        It seems that the decision to give the two islands to the Japs is a settled matter, it is simple, the trade for the "price" ... sad

        Yeah ... as soon as their eyes change to a tidy one, we’ll give them right away. Yes
      6. +1
        20 November 2018 16: 33

        A terrible blow to the rating of GDP
        1. +12
          20 November 2018 16: 53
          Quote: Silvestr
          A terrible blow to the rating of GDP

          But this GDP does not seem to care at all ....
      7. -6
        20 November 2018 16: 34
        Quote: Snail N9
        It seems that the decision to give the two islands to the Japs is a settled matter, it is simple, the trade for the "price" ...

        Are you part-time or full-time treasurer with a "deal"? Well, since you know that the auction is underway. And if you "know" then it turns out that one of the "initiates", so devote us dark ones to the details of "buying and selling". We will be very grateful ...
        1. 0
          21 November 2018 12: 46
          Putin recently announced this himself that the agreement on the transfer of the two islands was prepared for signing back in the days of Khrushchev, but the opposing side failed for some reason to sign it.
          1. 0
            21 November 2018 18: 26
            Quote: sasha.28blaga
            0
            Putin recently said this himself that the agreement on the transfer of the two islands was prepared for signing back in the days of Khrushchev,

            Putin did not announce, but recalled him in order to emphasize what conditions were imposed on Japan for the transfer of the islands. Monitor the topic, and do not read stuffing paid "patriots" with manuals from the State Department. ...
      8. 0
        20 November 2018 17: 41
        Quote: Snail N9
        It seems that the decision to give two islands to the Japs is a settled decision.

        yes it seems no, not decided, and is unlikely to be decided in the next 100 years! because besides signing a peace treaty, there is a condition that there is no American boot in Japan, and Washington says that if the Yapes abandon all 4 islands, then Okinawa will become another US state
      9. 0
        20 November 2018 20: 37
        the conversation on the two islands rests on the Pinsky bases; there are no bases; the conversation continues; do you think that will go for the islands?
      10. 0
        21 November 2018 12: 42
        This decision was made, I don’t remember which year, but still under N.S. Khrushchev.
    2. +5
      20 November 2018 16: 02
      Insolent comrades too rolled out their Wishlist
      1. +9
        20 November 2018 16: 23
        No one will give back the island, otherwise the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will no longer be the inland sea of ​​Russia, and then they will swim / walk there, fish everyone and sundry!
        1. +1
          20 November 2018 18: 37
          Quote: Black Sniper
          otherwise, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will no longer be the inland sea of ​​Russia, and then everyone will swim / walk, fish there!

          Will be. But if you give Iturup and Kunashir, then yes.
        2. -5
          20 November 2018 19: 06
          Quote: Black Sniper
          No one will give back the island, otherwise the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will no longer be the inland sea of ​​Russia, and then they will swim / walk there, fish everyone and sundry!

          in the long run, I think Russia will give these islands. So that they don’t speak at a certain stage, China will become an adversary of Russia and then Japan will be the perfect ally and therefore can transfer all 4 islands, but sharing resources and possibly finding bases. There will already be the role of the United States in this region at this moment. But to me in the next war, as in the previous global, Russia and the United States will be on the same side.
          Better Russia is an ally of one civilization and with a decreasing population than a completely different civilization with a growing population and economy. Sooner or later, the sides will come to this at the time of ICS.
          1. 0
            21 November 2018 01: 48
            In the long run, Japan itself is likely to remain with a gulkin nose. They will also ask to be sent to Sakhalin and the mainland, because only the Russians can let them go. The rest of the yellow-faced and narrow-eyed slaughter of the descendants of the samurai, there is also mutual hatred for 10 generations.
            Do not be naive or do not whip up cheap show-offs with empty talk - no one will give anything back, neither now, nor in 10-20 years. And there and shake the caldera of the Yellow Stone will begin and St. Andryusha will wake up.
            Not to the islands of the Japanese will be.
            1. 0
              21 November 2018 12: 20
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Do not be naive or do not whip up cheap show-offs with empty talk - no one will give anything back, neither now, nor in 10-20 years.

              never say never. Pontoons with idle talk come from you. When you need everything very quickly agree on transferring something to each other. Therefore, I think the situation will turn out that way. I can be wrong, but it will tell time.
              Quote: Vlad.by
              In the long run, Japan itself is likely to remain with a gulkin nose. They will also ask to be sent to Sakhalin and the mainland, because only the Russians can let them go.

              in the courtyard of the 21st century, countries are expanding towards the sea to add the missing squares, and in Japan itself there is a problem with demographics, as in principle in Russia, especially with the population in the east of the country. Therefore, there is enough Japanese and their lands to send Sakhalin to them will be, and Russia needs to think about keeping the population there.
              1. 0
                21 November 2018 22: 45
                Well, Fukushima to help them.
                Until the next earthquake with a tsunami coupled.
          2. 0
            21 November 2018 12: 50
            Too abstruse.
      2. +2
        20 November 2018 16: 37
        Quote: Evil543
        Insolent comrades too rolled out their Wishlist

        Want is not bad, is bad not want laughing
    3. +5
      20 November 2018 16: 43
      Ex-diplomat of Japan: Russia can give two islands, and two themselves will be ours

      And I won’t answer anything to them, I’d better draw:
    4. +8
      20 November 2018 16: 56
      Quote: Underwater Hunter
      I say, arrogant comrades. Do not give them anything! We need to stop all negotiations on this issue. Let the peace treaty be signed first, and then we’ll agree for about 500 years ..

      What should I talk to them about ?! Why do we need this at all ?! Are we pressed against the wall by some harsh unforgiving circumstances ?!
      Talking with the defeated aggressor about the return of our ancestral territories is generally dumb and wrong. Can a normal man have a conversation with a neighbor about transferring to him a conjugal right to his wife ?! Or even a partial concession ?! Or even half a cup - it's still dumb and wrong.
      But about Crimea, we speak correctly - "not discussed." And the point. Why do our rulers open their mouths to this trans-Podlian topic in relation to the Kuriles ?! am
      PS Russia 80 years earlier than Japan began the development of the Kuril Islands, including Hokaido and Sakhalin, and after 30 years it formalized the rights to these territories in accordance with international standards. The Ainu living on them were recognized as Russian citizens and paid taxes to the Russian treasury.
      The Japanese have not yet answered for our captain Golovin, the commandant of Hokaido, and his subordinates.
      1. -6
        20 November 2018 16: 59
        Ours are not there.
        1. 0
          21 November 2018 00: 17
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          Why do our rulers open their mouths on this Zapodlyansky theme regarding the Kuril Islands ?! am

          I'm talking about these "ours", PS was added after.
          1. +1
            21 November 2018 11: 56
            Quote: Fayth
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Why do our rulers open their mouths on this Zapodlyansky theme regarding the Kuril Islands ?! am

            Quote: Fayth
            Ours are not there.

            I'm talking about these "ours", PS was added after.

            I agree with you, but partially. The whole tragedy of the situation is precisely in this: the rulers our, i.e. rule our lives and deaths, but at the same time these same rulers completely not ours. Recently, I call them aliens. sad
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        1. +5
          20 November 2018 21: 59
          1. The Kuril Islands belonged to the Russian Empire under Catherine 2, and were recognized as such by the whole world.
          2. They were given to Japan by Alexander the Second only for recognition by Japan of the Japanese part of Sakhalin as Russian territory and an agreement of peaceful intentions, although Sakhalin was actually actually Russian territory, and only the Japanese sometimes arose about this.
          3. Russia, having lost in the Russo-Japanese War under the Portsmouth Peace Treaty, gave the southern part of Sakhalin to Japan. BUT !!! In 1925, after negotiations in Beijing, Japan and the USSR established diplomatic relations by signing the Beijing Treaty. The USSR was forced to admit the situation that arose in 1905 as a result of the Russo-Japanese War, but refused to acknowledge "political responsibility" for the Portsmouth Treaty.
          4. Russia entered into an alliance with the United States in 1943 only to regain the southern part of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, which belonged to it before the Russo-Japanese war. And the States had nothing against this, because they paid the USSR for its fulfillment of allied obligations.

          San Francisco Peace Treaty (1951). Chapter II Territory.
          c) Japan waives all rights, rights and claims to the Kuril Islands and to that part of Sakhalin Island and its adjacent islands, over which Japan acquired sovereignty under the Portsmouth Treaty of September 5 1905

          Interestingly, according to the official position of Japan, Iturup, Shikotan, Kunashir and Habomai were not part of the Kuril Islands (Tishima Islands), and Japan did not refuse them. Representatives of the USSR proposed amending the treaty to recognize the sovereignty of the USSR over South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but this and a number of proposals were not taken into account, so the USSR, Poland and Czechoslovakia did not sign the agreement.
          In 1956, the USSR and Japan adopted the Moscow Declaration, which ended the state of war and restored diplomatic relations between the two countries, and also recorded the consent of the USSR to transfer the islands of Habomai and Shikotan to Japan, but only after the conclusion of a peace treaty. However, later the Japanese side refused to sign the peace treaty under pressure from the United States, which threatened that if Japan withdraws claims on the Kunashir and Iturup islands, the Ryukyu archipelago with Okinawa island, which under Article 3 of the San Francisco Peace Treaty will not be returned to Japan Then it was under the control of the United States.
          So, until the Kuril Islands are returned to Japan, it has no right to refuse the Americans a military base in Okinawa (although, in any case, the Americans will not leave there under any pretext).
          In 1960, Japan signed the US-Japan Cooperation and Security Treaty with the United States, thereby extending the "Security Pact" signed in 1951, which was the legal basis for the presence of American troops on Japanese territory.
          At the same time, the USSR stated that since this agreement was directed against the USSR and the PRC, the Soviet government refused to consider the transfer of the islands of Japan, as this would lead to the expansion of the territory used by American troops.
        2. +1
          20 November 2018 22: 44
          Quote: ipsidixi rider
          You say that it was not the USSR who attacked Japan in 1945, but vice versa.

          The leg of the Soviet soldier did not step on the territory of Japan, what kind of attack are we talking about? You, as always, hang your sins on us, it is you, the Americans attacked Japan.
          Quote: ipsidixi rider
          the capture of the Kuril Islands was not very recognized by the international community, to say the least.

          Recognition by the world community is not necessary, it is you liberals who always refer to some kind of "world community" which, in your understanding, sits in fascinatington.
        3. 0
          21 November 2018 01: 57
          Quote: ipsidixi rider
          That left the USSR in the fools

          Fool rather someone else shows himself ...
          In 1905, Russia just gave up Port Arthur? Did the Japanese violate any agreements? And then, even on the condition that the United States waved its tail, the USSR acquired half of Sakhalin and the Kuril ridge with sea territories. I think the Americans would be glad to remain in such "fools", but it did not work out.
          And the time will come - the USA will still "answer for Alaska", paraphrasing the character of "Brother-2"
    5. +3
      20 November 2018 16: 58
      Underwater hunter (Vladimir) Today, 15:53 ​​NEW
      +19
      I speak, insolent comrades. ""
      They lead their line. and Russia is her own.
      An area has already been surrendered in that area .. An agreement between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the United States of America on the line for the delineation of sea spaces was signed in Washington on June 1, 1990.
      https://mgimo.ru/about/news/experts/124210/
      According to the terms of the agreement in the Bering Sea, the United States withdrew:

      part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​23,7 thousand square kilometers, actually transferred by the Soviet Union to the United States in 1977;
      part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​7,7 thousand square kilometers;
      a continental shelf area of ​​46,3 thousand square kilometers in the open central part of the Bering Sea, located beyond 200 nautical miles from the baseline.
      https://works.doklad.ru/view/uqQjnZvBM6I.html

      Give islands - block all Pacific Fleet. and pinch the whole Far East from the sea
      There are other "victories"
      "in accordance with an international treaty of 2010 (ratified by the State Duma at the end of 2011), the Saimaa Canal and the adjacent territory, on which the road leading to the Brusnichnoye checkpoint is located, Russia transferred Finland for 50 years. The total length of the canal intended for the passage of river , lake and sea vessels, is 57 kilometers, of which 34 kilometers are on the territory of Russia. "
      https://works.doklad.ru/view/uqQjnZvBM6I.html
    6. +2
      20 November 2018 17: 02
      Quote: Underwater Hunter
      I say, arrogant comrades. Do not give them anything! It is necessary to stop all negotiations on this issue altogether. Let the peace treaty be signed first

      =======
      Exactly!!! There is such an "eastern wisdom": "If you want the donkey to" go forward "- hang (with the help of a fishing rod) a carrot in front of his face - further - he will go by himself !!!
    7. +6
      20 November 2018 17: 04
      Regarding free access: what problems? Get a visa and come — no one expels the Japanese on ethnic grounds.

      Regarding "cultural and economic interaction". Since the 1990s, there have been a lot of objects there - from kindergarten buildings to various kinds of structures - with a sign "a gift from the Japanese people."

      Thank you, of course, but a gift for that and a gift that requires nothing in return (if, "from a pure Japanese heart", of course))). So interaction there has long been established. But it hasn't changed anything for almost 30 years and is unlikely to change)

      As our President said: "The Russian Federation has no territorial problems with Japan. For some reason, Japan thinks that it has territorial problems with the Russian Federation." The islands are ours. Point (Well, and "Point-U" for the heap)).
    8. 0
      20 November 2018 20: 23
      Formally, Japan is at war with us, so let them try to take these islands from us !!! wassat And if there isn’t enough conscience to shut up ourselves on the issue of islands, then it’s time for us to already help the Japs do this - gag them on the tonsils !!! angry soldier
      1. +1
        21 November 2018 09: 25
        Quote: keeper03
        Formally, Japan is at war with us

        No. Japan signed an act of surrender. There is no state of war due to the fact that Japan surrendered. But there is no peace either, which, in principle, is not critical and does not prevent mutually beneficial coexistence. Territorial claims in Japan are warmed up by the occupying forces, and this is not the USSR troops.
    9. 0
      20 November 2018 20: 35
      Quote: Underwater Hunter
      Do not give them anything! It is necessary to stop all negotiations on this issue altogether.

      Wow! But this is unreal. By the way, who are you addressing?
    10. +1
      20 November 2018 21: 11
      Quote: Underwater Hunter
      I say, arrogant comrades.

      They remind me of "our Ukrainian comrades!"
    11. +1
      21 November 2018 05: 46
      I honestly do not understand why we need a peace treaty with them. Otherwise, will they attack immediately? And the presence of this agreement will save them from attack if, for some other reason, the state power in Russia will be paralyzed and thereby create wonderful conditions for the seizure of our territories? I doubt it very much. The best guarantee of our sovereignty is our army and a tough position (without any wagging backwards) of senior management. In addition, a good relationship with Russia is much more important for the Japs than for us a good relationship with them ..... at least for the common population, although at the top of our ranks some people may be interested in the opposite for personal interests - such often happened. So it’s time for Russia to set conditions for establishing relations between countries, and not vice versa.
  2. +16
    20 November 2018 15: 58
    The islands should belong only to Russia! We have every right to do so, as winners, and there is no sharing there.
    1. +13
      20 November 2018 16: 36
      Over Mount Fuji, the red sun rises
      Under Mount Fuji red sakura blossoms
      Yuppa love Fuji, these are not words
      So love her further. Fuck you, not the islands!
      wink drinks
    2. -1
      20 November 2018 16: 41
      [Quote] [/ quote]
      vaaaaadik

      The islands should belong only to Russia! We have every right to do so, as winners, and there is no sharing there.
      -------------------------
      You can organize a visa-free and free economic zone! Why not? Russia will only be in the black, and Japanese sanctions will come to naught, as well as cultural exchange, tourism. hi
      1. 0
        20 November 2018 22: 48
        Quote: Black Sniper
        You can organize a visa-free and free economic zone! Why not?

        From what cross?
        Quote: Black Sniper
        Russia will only be in positive territory, and Japanese sanctions will come to naught,

        This is generally a lie, why are you lying? Sanctions have nothing to do with the islands.
        Quote: Black Sniper
        as well as cultural exchange, tourism.

        Cultural exchange is possible with cultural people and this is not about the Japanese.
  3. +5
    20 November 2018 15: 59
    The Russian Federation acts on the basis of the bilateral Declaration of the 1956 of the year, which stipulates the transfer of specific islands of Japan only after the signing of a peace treaty.

    Since the state of war and the absence of any claims (including other territorial ones) between our state and Japan were established by this Declaration itself, Russia may not rush to sign the so-called. peace treaty (it is needed only by Japan to obtain the notorious islands).

    Therefore, in the text of the peace treaty, Russia can maximize include its various Wishlist laughing
    1. -1
      20 November 2018 16: 12
      Quote: Operator
      Therefore, in the text of the peace treaty, Russia can maximize include its various Wishlist

      If Yapi drove the Americans out of their land, then this issue could be discussed.
      1. -1
        20 November 2018 16: 17
        No - in the 1956 Declaration of the year, the parties recognized the right to take any collective defense measures, i.e. join military alliances, host foreign military bases, etc.

        It is another matter that Japan, as an exception to the text of the peace treaty, may commit itself not to extend collective defense measures to the islands transferred to it.

        But no (agreement) - so no (islands) bully
        1. +5
          20 November 2018 16: 20
          Quote: Operator
          It is another matter that Japan, as an exception to the text of the peace treaty, may commit itself not to extend collective defense measures to the islands transferred to it.

          It’s like NATO didn’t expand east. I understood.
          These islands should have Russian military bases as a guarantee that they will not include the rear.
          1. +1
            20 November 2018 16: 24
            With the non-expansion of NATO to the east, it was ours (Gorby and the EBN) who screwed up not childishly - they were satisfied with the oral assurances of their "partners."

            Now we are talking about signing an agreement, which in case of violation by one party automatically releases the other party from its obligations.
            1. +6
              20 November 2018 16: 26
              Quote: Operator
              satisfied with the verbal assurances of the "partners".

              "Partners" and put on the documented contracts with the device.
              1. +2
                20 November 2018 16: 32
                Treaties are valid if they are supported by the military potential of the parties.

                For example, the United States first announced the termination of the INF Treaty on-line, and now it has turned on the reverse speed - it has calculated how many Russian ICBMs and SLBMs will be additionally redirected to North America in case of deployment of Russian RSDs in Europe and Asia.

                By the way, the Russian RSD in the Primorsky Territory will be an excellent incentive for Japan to conclude a peace treaty with us and begin to eliminate the goals (American bases) for the RSD on its territory.

                Trump obviously knows something bully
                1. -2
                  20 November 2018 16: 34
                  Quote: Operator
                  Treaties are valid if they are supported by the military potential of the parties.

                  That's what I look at the ABM Treaty how quickly ended.
                  1. -1
                    20 November 2018 16: 42
                    ABM is able to protect only from single missiles, and we and the United States plan to launch massive nuclear missiles. Therefore, the agreement on missile defense did not surrender to us in FIG.
                    1. -1
                      20 November 2018 16: 44
                      Quote: Operator

                      ABM is able to protect only from single missiles

                      This is not the point, the point is in the ease with which this treaty was torn apart by the Americans.
                      1. -1
                        20 November 2018 16: 47
                        In this we beat the Americans (making them uncontractable) - they forced them to break the contract, which we needed as a dog’s fifth leg.
                      2. 0
                        20 November 2018 16: 51
                        Quote: Operator
                        forced them to break the contract

                        Yes, of course, we forced them to and bases in Poland and Romania with universal launchers - we probably put it.
                      3. 0
                        20 November 2018 17: 32
                        Quote: Gray Brother

                        .....
                        Sergei!
                        Well, at least on the issue of the ownership of Russia, not Japan of the South Kuril Islands, you, Sergei, have pleased me!
                        I put it for you everywhere ++.
                        And then sometimes you bring such utter nonsense, far from the reality, that it is simply impossible to read you in the comments! And I know why.
        2. -1
          20 November 2018 16: 28
          Quote: Operator

          No - in the 1956 Declaration

          So we need another declaration.
          1. -1
            20 November 2018 16: 44
            The 1956 Declaration is a peace treaty, only in a very concise presentation. One of the points of the Declaration designates the title of the document expanding it - "agreement".
      2. -1
        20 November 2018 16: 20
        Yes, but if they completely destroyed them, then we would heal !!!!
        1. -2
          20 November 2018 16: 21
          Quote: Romka47

          Yes, but if they completely destroyed them, then we would heal !!!!

          In general, I believe that at the moment Japan is very much suffering from resettlement and it is necessary to help it.
          1. +1
            20 November 2018 22: 03
            And from what hangover ???
            Help those who have bred at the expense of our territories?
            Then you can give Siberia to the Chinese, because there are a lot of them too.
            1. -1
              20 November 2018 23: 00
              Quote: Lyuba1965_01

              And from what hangover ???
              Help those who have bred at the expense of our territories?

              And what about the territory? I meant five warheads of 150 ct. each one. At the same time, we make friends - these are not the primitive first American bombs.
              1. 0
                21 November 2018 07: 55
                Then please state your thoughts more clearly and specifically.
                I, you know, not psychic.
          2. 0
            20 November 2018 22: 52
            Quote: Gray Brother
            In general, I believe that at the moment Japan is very much suffering from resettlement and it is necessary to help it.

            You think wrong. We have non-rubber also suffers from overpopulation, but something no one is in a hurry to leave it. There is no overpopulation in Japan, as well as in China.
      3. +1
        20 November 2018 16: 26
        Indeed, having a base, the Americans are a brake on this issue, and the only "positive" thing that prevents them from acting rashly. hi
        1. +1
          20 November 2018 16: 33
          Quote: Not bad

          Indeed, having a base, Americans are a brake on this issue,

          And what else. Moreover, it is not enough to drive them out of Japan, it is also necessary to do so so that they do not return there.
    2. 0
      20 November 2018 16: 24
      Somewhere I read that the 1956 declaration did not say that the islands would become Japanese. There is only about transferring the islands of Japan. That is, the islands remain Russian, and the Japanese can be leased.
      1. 0
        20 November 2018 21: 18
        Quote: Sheff333
        Somewhere I read that the 1956 declaration did not say that the islands would become Japanese. There is only about transferring the islands of Japan. That is, the islands remain Russian, and the Japanese can be leased.

        1956 declaration
        Instead of signing the peace treaty, the USSR and Japan adopted the Moscow Declaration on October 19, 1956. She stopped the state of war and restored diplomatic relations between the two countries, and also fixed the intention of the Soviet Union to transfer Japan to the smallest of the four islands - Shikotan and the Habomai ridge. The transfer of the islands was to occur after the signing of the peace treaty.
        That is intentions You can arrange such conditions ...
      2. 0
        20 November 2018 22: 23
        Tell me, where did you see the tenant who would take care of the landlord’s property? He is there temporarily, and acts on the principle: after me at least a flood.
    3. 0
      20 November 2018 21: 14
      Quote: Operator
      Therefore, in the text of the peace treaty, Russia can maximize include its various Wishlist

      There is a tendency in the world of "imposing" on contracts.
    4. 0
      20 November 2018 23: 24
      Quote: Operator
      Russia can maximize include its various Wishlist in the text of the peace treaty

      Not only can, but must include
  4. 0
    20 November 2018 16: 00
    It seems that it is not always good to contemplate on a sakura branch in the moonlight by the lake ...
  5. +2
    20 November 2018 16: 03
    It's good that our upstairs have ate well on these "promises about the non-proliferation of military bases."
    But it is bad if they are replaced by "some managers" who work without looking at the future and / or "those who like to hand over strategic objects / territories for privatization."
  6. +2
    20 November 2018 16: 03
    Muzzle does not crack from Wishlist?
    1. +2
      20 November 2018 16: 12
      If they want to solve the problem of overpopulation, I suggest they buy gravel from us and sprinkle a couple of islands on their own, or at worst let Fujiyama be sorted for these purposes request
      1. 0
        20 November 2018 16: 45
        Quote: Evil543
        If they want to solve the problem of overpopulation, I suggest they buy gravel from us and sprinkle a couple of islands on their own, or at worst let Fujiyama be sorted for these purposes request

        As far as I know in Japan, the population is aging.
        1. 0
          20 November 2018 17: 14
          And what then did they cling to the islands? They want to make cemeteries belay ?
          1. +1
            20 November 2018 17: 17
            Quote: Evil543
            And what then did they cling to the islands? They want to make cemeteries belay ?

            Cottages may be. laughing
            1. 0
              20 November 2018 17: 19
              Each Japanese retiree for 6 acres? To grow sakura? They will get around ...
          2. +1
            20 November 2018 22: 25
            These islands are needed not so much by them as the States. Japan, after all, is completely dependent on them and fulfills literally all their Wishlist.
    2. 0
      20 November 2018 16: 18
      Their faces are not cracking, their bellies are cracking. laughing
  7. +16
    20 November 2018 16: 07
    It is necessary at the legislative level, in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to prescribe that territorial disputes over the rejection of Russian lands can be resolved only on the basis of a popular referendum.
    And then another king came, waved a glass, Kemsk parish? You are welcome!
    Fuck them, not the Kuril Islands!
    1. Underwater hunter
      +11
      20 November 2018 16: 08
      Quote: Valter1364
      It is necessary at the legislative level, in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to prescribe that territorial disputes over the rejection of Russian lands can be resolved only on the basis of a popular referendum.
      And then another king came, waved a glass, Kemsk parish? You are welcome!
      Fuck them, not the Kuril Islands!

      I support 100%! good drinks
    2. -8
      20 November 2018 16: 16
      Yapi will promise compensation to every resident of the Russian Federation for the islands and all for a referendum, what do you think will vote? I personally have no doubts and illusions; my own cow is closer to my body.
      1. Underwater hunter
        +3
        20 November 2018 16: 21
        Quote: WEL7958
        Yapi will promise compensation to every resident of the Russian Federation for the islands and all for a referendum, what do you think will vote? I personally have no doubts and illusions; my own cow is closer to my body.

        It's about all of Russia, and not about the inhabitants of the island, of whom there are a couple of thousand, against 140 ml ..
        1. +2
          20 November 2018 16: 26
          Promise an alcoholic vasser promise 1000 rubles a month for a booze he and his mother will sell his mother, and don’t give a shit to a non-drinking working pet in the Vologda Oblast in Shikotan, like a shepherd from the Dagestan village, for the same amount, continue on, or will you calculate how many of these 140 million?
        2. +4
          20 November 2018 16: 30
          every second suffers Syria to hell, to hell with us Ukraine it is naive to think that they need some kind of distant and unknown Shokotan.
      2. +2
        20 November 2018 18: 49
        It’s not all how you were inspired by the conspiracy ideology; for many, honor and conscience mean something.
  8. +9
    20 November 2018 16: 07
    Somehow they all have swine, they opened the door for them to joke, and they first stuck their nose in, then a leg, then we see Uncle Sam's hand pulled, for greater certainty. smile
  9. +1
    20 November 2018 16: 07
    The ex-Foreign Minister of Japan himself believes that Moscow and Tokyo “could have stayed at 2: 2,” when “Shikotan and Habomai are behind Japan,” and “Iturup and Kunashir are behind Russia.”

    How is it in the address classifier? Russia, Hokkaido region, Shikotan rn ... I like
  10. HAM
    +4
    20 November 2018 16: 10
    And what is the so-called. "peace treaty", what does it give us?
    Promises, as practice shows, can be given and can be taken back ...
    laughing
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    1. +3
      20 November 2018 16: 23
      You, my friend, are not the first to notice this. wink
  12. +3
    20 November 2018 16: 11
    This is claimed by the lackeys that there will be no American bases? Then, as a sign that they are masters in their land, Americans will be thrown out of Okinawa. Weakly however ...
  13. 0
    20 November 2018 16: 12
    Donut hole - there are connoisseurs of Japanese, how does it translate? And then I am "square in this matter, I can count, common phrases and mustache.
  14. IGU
    0
    20 November 2018 16: 13
    Sato:
    “The Japanese will begin to freely visit Kunashir and Iturup, and over time, the Japaneseization of these islands will lead to the fact that they too will become Japanese. Now it is important that Russia recognize our sovereignty over Shikotan and Habomai.
    The Japanese writer and ex-analyst at the Foreign Ministry continues:
    “Japan, after consultations with the United States, could make a promise to Putin that American bases would not appear on the islands.

    Is he definitely Japanese? Habits remind another nation ...
  15. +1
    20 November 2018 16: 13
    It's time for the whole WORLD to write a petition \ reminder to our upper ....... "Send the Japanese to a well-known address and make YOUR power stronger!"
  16. +2
    20 November 2018 16: 14
    Japan, after consulting with the United States, could make a promise to Putin that the American bases on the islands would not appear.
    ... Thank you! ... But there’s nothing that the American bases on the Japanese islands are located and are not going to leave ... Judging by the statements, don’t put a finger in the mouth of the Japanese, they will bite off a hand on the head ..
  17. 0
    20 November 2018 16: 15
    We do not believe in promises and will not believe in the future ... only the constitutionally and contractually neutral status of Japan, as was originally assumed and the complete withdrawal of American troops.
    Otherwise, go through the forest. And they will go ...
  18. +1
    20 November 2018 16: 15
    Well, this dreamer Sato, just like ukropolitikany about - "And all the same, Crimea is NAASH !!!" laughing
  19. 0
    20 November 2018 16: 23
    no = the best japan under water !!!!
  20. +5
    20 November 2018 16: 33
    One thing is not clear to me: if Putin does not want to give up the islands, then why is he conducting some kind of negotiations on this issue?
    No point!
    1. 0
      20 November 2018 23: 01
      Quote: Million
      One thing is not clear to me: if Putin does not want to give up the islands, then why is he conducting some kind of negotiations on this issue?

      Well, let them talk, do you feel sorry for something?
      As they said in the famous film!
      "Let them train on kittens"
  21. +2
    20 November 2018 16: 39
    Another narrow-eyed dreamer. It is a pity that our politicians are making a fuss with them instead of calmly saying: otgusha from a dead donkey's ears, mattress sheets.
  22. +3
    20 November 2018 16: 39
    If someone has territorial claims against someone, then he urgently needs to grab a map of the mineral resources of the disputed territory, and then everything becomes clear. Rare metal Rhenium - Iturup 3rd place in the world in reserves. Well, accordingly, it is also on the neighboring islands. In conditions when the Russian authorities are feverishly looking for new sources of income, not even shying away from excise taxes on sausages and hunting for Red Book animals, then apparently we should expect a bargain with the Japanese.
  23. +1
    20 November 2018 16: 39
    Islands to give back? Only after the referendum on the accession of Japan to the Russian Federation. If you vote for it and the Russian government includes them as autonomy, then yes, you can consider the option with the islands.
  24. +1
    20 November 2018 16: 42
    "Ex-diplomat of Japan: Russia can give up two islands, and two will become our own"
    Only after the transfer of Hokkaido .... Change without looking.
    Do not want, do not!
  25. +6
    20 November 2018 16: 43
    The Japanese "laid eyes" on the islands, the Finnish youth on Karelia, the prehistoric Ukrainians on the Krasnodar Territory and Voronezh, the Romanians on the Transnistrian region ... Didn't the defeated people and those who gained their independence thanks to Russia have many wishes?
    Maybe it's time for our "social activists" and patriotic media to promote their own, alternative, historical rights to the lands of the Russian Empire? For example, starting from the lands of the Novgorod Republic and further, from Peter 1 to the beginning of the First World War?
  26. 0
    20 November 2018 16: 44
    As it was in advertising ... Not in this life.
  27. 0
    20 November 2018 16: 48
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: Romka47

    Yes, but if they completely destroyed them, then we would heal !!!!

    In general, I believe that at the moment Japan is very much suffering from resettlement and it is necessary to help it.

    -------------------
    Duck let Australia lease land, there is a lot of it.
  28. +2
    20 November 2018 16: 50
    Something recently strained by these samurai. A hole to them from a donut or from a sleeve vest!
  29. +1
    20 November 2018 16: 52
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Japan suffers greatly from relocation and needs to be helped

    Due to the low birth rate, the population of Japan is declining naturally. They even refused to populate their island of Hokkaido, whose territory is several orders of magnitude larger than the territory of the notorious South Kuril Islands.
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  30. 0
    20 November 2018 16: 57
    I propose a radical method of getting rid of Japanese expansion, and for one and for the settlement of these almost uninhabited islands: return to the criminal code an article for parasitism and all parasites in the Kuril Islands!
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  32. +5
    20 November 2018 17: 11
    I propose changing the subject!
    Hokkaido should belong to Russia. By right of the winner in the Soviet-Japanese war of 1945. Russia is ready to sign a peace treaty with Japan only after the transfer of sovereignty over Hokkaido to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. Greetings to V.V. Putin.
    Weak answer so?
  33. 0
    20 November 2018 17: 12
    Amid the withdrawal of the US occupying Japan from the INF Treaty? Not all mushrooms are equally useful ...
  34. +4
    20 November 2018 17: 34
    Through these negotiations with Japan, Putin continues to lower his rating to the toilet!
  35. +1
    20 November 2018 17: 52
    Quote: Underwater Hunter
    I say, arrogant comrades. Do not give them anything! We need to stop all negotiations on this issue. Let the peace treaty be signed first, and then we’ll agree for about 500 years ..

    It’s interesting, what do our liberal writers think about this, do they discuss the problem of southern territories over a cup of strong tea?
  36. +7
    20 November 2018 18: 10
    From an interview with Peskov, I had the strong impression that the 2 islands are ready to give, only they want to bargain for them well. In any case, the Japs gave reason to make sure that they will succeed ... These games are incomprehensible to me
  37. +1
    20 November 2018 18: 17
    Heren in their nibbles, not the Islands!
  38. +4
    20 November 2018 18: 20
    It is interesting to follow the Formuchans, "he will not give up the islands." Argue, discuss! How children swear! We must beat the alarm! Screaming as much as possible! Homeland is being sold! You are still on the cognac sports ... The horror and shame of what is happening. Slaves and nothing more.
  39. +3
    20 November 2018 18: 22
    The question here is not that "we can negotiate for another 500 years and will not agree so." The question is why our rulers touch on this topic at all. Do you need a peace treaty with Japan? Do you feel bad about his absence? I think the answer is obvious. Well, let them just say NO once !!! And that's all. Friendship-trade, visa-schmiz, if you want, let's. If you don’t want to, we will live without you dear Japanese. And at home there declare what you want, draw any cards you like, we do not care. But when you agree to discuss some issue, then in the end you may be and agree with the arguments of the opposite side. The Japanese feel it, they are not fools ...
  40. +5
    20 November 2018 18: 32
    It is high time for Kremlin propagandists to start inspiring the people with the idea that surrendering the islands (as well as Baikal to China) is so profitable that it will freeze the increase in the retirement age for years to come, or even cancel the reform.
  41. +1
    20 November 2018 18: 47
    Take the promise from yaps not to spoil your pot and you will be pleasantly surprised to see a bunch of indecent sizes there, for the samurai is cunning and smart.
  42. +1
    20 November 2018 18: 49
    the Japs do not need islands, but what is around, otherwise they could buy zemlyatse there, build houses, develop infrastructure and live like foreigners live in Russia.
  43. 0
    20 November 2018 19: 10
    Dad can ...
  44. 0
    20 November 2018 19: 13
    It's like pretzels on the street grabbed a tip and after that it tries to put some conditions on it)))))
  45. 0
    20 November 2018 19: 16
    Yes, they can all become how you become part of the Russian Federation so they will immediately!)))
  46. 0
    20 November 2018 19: 25
    Guys have little cookie, give them a pendal.
  47. +1
    20 November 2018 19: 33
    The writer has gotten in earnest! laughing And the Finns are already bolder))
    No trade in the Motherland!
    We are not steamers am
  48. 0
    20 November 2018 19: 35
    Quote: Chichikov
    The Japanese "laid eyes" on the islands, the Finnish youth on Karelia, the prehistoric Ukrainians ..

    hi
    We also laid their eyes on them all, but not their eyes ... wink
  49. +2
    20 November 2018 19: 37
    And why did the "peace treaty" with Japan flare up so? Let them go through the forest, not the islands!
    Russia does not sell its land !! Is it in vain that our grandfathers-great-grandfathers shed blood for her? am angry
  50. +2
    20 November 2018 19: 48
    "Ex-diplomat of Japan: Russia can give up two islands, and two will become our own."
    Usually "ex" s get smarter, but not in this case. And in general, all the Japanese with pribabah.
    "Japan, after consulting the US, could make a promise to Putin that American bases on the islands will not appear."
    Making a promise is one thing, but keeping it is another.
  51. 0
    20 November 2018 19: 50
    You've stirred up a hornet's nest, now hold on...
  52. +4
    20 November 2018 20: 04
    Yesterday on the ship I talked with one lice larva from Vladivostok - he says we need to give up the islands, but tear off 3 skins from the scythes for them. He says we need to develop!
    And I tell him: “You give your room in Vladik to your rich neighbor and let him develop you in any way he wants: even if he does renovations in other rooms, even if he takes you to the theater on Chippolino, and somehow we will develop ourselves without trading in the Motherland.” !"
  53. +1
    20 November 2018 20: 12
    This is how the system works with non-brothers: we will “develop” you, we will give you money, we will take you to Europe, you just relieve yourself at the graves of your fathers. We once had a squabble with embroidered shirts on the ship, and I told them: “Why waste time on trifles, you can start trading backwards - unfortunately, there are a lot of amateurs with money now!” laughing
  54. 0
    20 November 2018 20: 40
    Shitty analyst from this gentleman of the land of the rising sun
  55. -1
    20 November 2018 21: 23
    Japanese dreamers. They are probably sitting under the moon, drinking sake, looking at Fuji, and dreaming... laughing
  56. +3
    20 November 2018 21: 30
    The most obvious conclusion from the comments is that the environment is seething militantly, whose opinion on this issue is of no particular interest to anyone, and the seething itself does not solve anything.
    Little by little, the seething will subside, the steam will go into the whistle, and when the result is announced, no one will be particularly indignant. As with pensions. You can't rock the boat!
    1. 0
      20 November 2018 23: 01
      Should your words be taken as a call for patience and humility? Not everyone has come to terms with March 18, or with all the “innovations” of the authorities after March, or with the fraud in the September elections, let them not hope so.
      1. -1
        20 November 2018 23: 25
        There are no appeals in my words. Just a statement of the situation. Moreover, half a year of television operation in the required range - and most of those who are tearing their vests on their chests and are ready to launch a landing in Hokkaido even today will “see the light” and will be surprised how they did not understand all the benefits of the event before.
        Read the classics. For example - Schiller Herbert. Manipulators of consciousness. Or Kara Murza - one of the new ones.
  57. +1
    20 November 2018 22: 45
    I served on these islands for two years. I’ll tell you for sure. No one will ever return the islands to Japan. The reason is simple. it is the entire east of Russia that will lose protection. and besides, it will lose the economic zone. Japanese schooners there constantly steal crabs and shrimp and fish. The American fleet is at home there, 20-30 miles from the islands.
  58. 0
    20 November 2018 22: 58
    Outright arrogance, turning into rudeness, undisguised. And where does this confidence come from?
  59. 0
    20 November 2018 23: 38
    Here the world is heading towards war, and he is heading towards war.
  60. 0
    20 November 2018 23: 52
    Somehow the Japs have become insolent with such statements.

    There is something fishy here, the furry ears of the Yankee secret services are sticking out everywhere.
  61. 0
    21 November 2018 02: 10
    What are you doing here in sports! Vovka said correctly: the 1956 agreement is taken as a basis. And in the agreement it is written in green but blue that Japan is a neutral state. This means that after combing out foreign troops from the islands, we can begin to talk about the transfer of two. That’s why he offered to Abe to sign the agreement right now, but Abe... got scared and said that he had to call the boss.
  62. 0
    21 November 2018 04: 13
    There is a good, proven option - “we’ll deliver the money in the morning / peace treaty / chairs in the evening.” It can't be any other way with Asians. In fact, it is better to leave the solution to this issue to diplomats - a thousand years will not be enough.
  63. +1
    21 November 2018 05: 14
    The "Battle of the Islands" has a military-strategic background. At the moment, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is a closed water area, protected on all sides and is a natural launching pad for SSBNs. In this situation, there is no talk of “transferring” the islands, at least during the life of the GDP. The liberals, of course, have a desire to purchase a certain amount of candy wrappers for a strategic bastion. The task is to prevent it.
  64. +1
    21 November 2018 07: 11
    Why is everyone talking about 2 islands? Open the atlas. We don't have Habomai. There is the Lesser Kuril Ridge, which includes the islands: Shikotan, Polonsky, Zeleny, Yuri, Anuchino, Tanfilyeva and a host of smaller islands. Habomai is the Japanese name for the Small Ridge. If these are our islands, then call them by our names.
  65. +1
    21 November 2018 12: 36
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Yes, of course, we forced them to and bases in Poland and Romania with universal launchers - we probably put it.

    How many of these universal launchers are there for one return salvo of an S-400 regiment at each base.
    American missile defense in Europe is the beginning, but the berries (Russian IRBMs aimed at Europe and Asia, Russian ICBMs and SLBMs aimed at North America) are yet to come.
  66. 0
    21 November 2018 12: 45
    Considering that the topic of transferring the islands was somehow very cheerfully picked up by state channels, and Peskov mumbled something about the need for consultations and like it’s not comme il faut that there is no peace treaty. Then we can say with complete confidence that the islands have already been given away. As the author correctly noted, there are simply auctions.
    P.S. And if you remember the recent story about the settlement of borders with China, and the lease (and in fact sale) of the Trans-Baikal taiga for 49 years. In fact, everything has already been decided!
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  68. Hiw
    +1
    21 November 2018 16: 31
    and against the backdrop of this betrayal of Putin and his entourage, there are still defenders of the current government left???
    https://el-murid.livejournal.com/3972097.html
    Putin doesn’t even bargain, he’s just stretching out the process a little so that he gets used to this idea, he’s just afraid - if this is done abruptly, then the Russian Man will break his neck
  69. 0
    21 November 2018 17: 10
    a former employee of the Japanese Foreign Ministry believes that Moscow and Tokyo “could have settled on 2:2,” when “Shikotan and Habomai are for Japan,” and “Iturup and Kunashir are for Russia.”

    And a roll of electrical tape as a gift for them so that the face does not crack!
  70. 0
    21 November 2018 19: 11
    Now it is important that Russia recognizes our sovereignty over Shikotan and Habomai. Japan, after consultations with the United States, could make a promise to Putin that there will be no American bases on the islands.

    Not an inch of Russian Orthodox Christian land to anyone!!!! Not a millimeter! And those who do this, kill them. They are traitors and enemies of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christians, Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christians.
    Russia can only agree with the Japanese that Japan can become part of Russia and promise them that there will be no US military bases in Japan, but that there will be Russian troops. If I were the President of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian, I would simply say on video and live to the Japs right in the eyes:
    “We can only agree on peace, and if you don’t like it, we can agree that Japan can become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia and promise in that case that in Japan then there will be no American military bases, but there will be Russian troops, army of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian - if Japan becomes part of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian I'm telling you this Japanese - as the president of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian - because you don't understand what Russia can offer you Russian Orthodox Christian - and you're procrastinating on this question -annoying Russia with the Russian Orthodox Christian. I told you this, as the president, so that it would reach you and you would stop procrastinating on this issue and agree on peace and document it on video and in documents and film it, or become part of Russian Russia Orthodox Christian. There is no other option! The Japanese, have you gotten it?”
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      21 November 2018 19: 26
      And I, as the President of Russia, the Russian Orthodox Christian, would always remind in this case about the surrender of Japan and poke them with this document. And he proposed to make peace - to document it and film it, or to become part of the Russian Orthodox Christian Russia, with the promise in this case of the absence of American military bases in Japan! Always, as soon as these idiots begin to have a darkening of mind and they begin to talk such nonsense.
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    21 November 2018 19: 44
    Quote: Observer2014
    Underwater hunter (Vladimir)
    This will be outrageous .... let's see, I hope that at least a drop of reason remains in power ..
    laughing Well, hope. Over 2018, our authorities have poured so many hopes that I won’t be surprised even once if this happens. What will be interesting for us then to print in excuse? feel

    I can still write that you are amazing. Let's call it that. We came from the DPR to warm, wonderful Sochi and here we are chasing a blizzard about Russia around the forum.
    By the way, I’m not at all sure that this account is still with the original owner. The user's rhetoric has changed significantly.
  72. -1
    21 November 2018 20: 10
    Quote: Million
    One thing is not clear to me: if Putin does not want to give up the islands, then why is he conducting some kind of negotiations on this issue?
    No point!

    Where do you get these in wholesale quantities?
    No "negotiations on this issue" not conducted. The media are driving a wave to raise their ratings, these are today's realities. Perhaps it is worth increasing the responsibility of the media for distorting this very information. Putin spoke about the 1956 treaty back in 2016, this is not news at all.

    But what is the context? Read the primary sources, and not someone’s idle cackling, especially on sites full of people stupidly getting paid for whipping up negativity about Russia.
    Quote: “We do not trade territories. We are not talking about some kind of exchange, about some kind of sales, we are talking about finding a solution in which neither party will feel either defeated or a loser. We would really like to find a solution to this problem with our Japanese friends. And if we achieve the same high level of trust with Japan (as with China - IF), we can find some compromises. I don’t think it’s closer than in 1956, but in any case we have resumed dialogue on this matter" (https://www.interfax.ru/russia/526314)

    Let me remind you that this was back in 2016.

    Look at this story. I hope that you will have no more questions. It’s only strange that you didn’t take the trouble to figure out the issue yourself. Moreover, it does not require any special effort.
    https://www.newstube.ru/m/990723
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      21 November 2018 20: 43
      "...especially on sites full of people who stupidly receive salaries for stirring up negativity about Russia."
      They constantly talk about such highly paid jobs. Does anyone know the address for this job? Share.
  73. 0
    22 November 2018 00: 50
    Quote: Curious
    "...especially on sites full of people who stupidly receive salaries for stirring up negativity about Russia."
    They constantly talk about such highly paid jobs. Does anyone know the address for this job? Share.

    It can be found in two clicks in Google/Yandex. It’s true that people with healthy minds don’t need it.