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SAM "Poliment-Redoubt" will receive a long-range supersonic missile

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The Poliment-Redut complexes will receive a new long-range supersonic rocket, which will allow to hit aerodynamic targets at an altitude of 35 km and a distance of up to 400 km, reports Izvestia, citing the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.


SAM "Poliment-Redoubt" will receive a long-range supersonic missile


The military department said that a new long-range supersonic rocket is being created for the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft systems that are in service with Navy ships. The tests of the rocket will be held next year, it is planned that the rocket will be included in the armament of the Admiral Gorshkov 22350 frigates, 20380 corvettes and other promising warships on which this anti-aircraft complex is installed.

In the development of the rocket, a technological reserve of the 40H6 rocket is used, as well as the 9М96 and 9М100 missiles. Today it is known that it will be able to hit aerodynamic targets at a distance of 400 km and an altitude of 35 km. According to the developers, the rocket will be able to hit cruise and ballistic missiles, drones, and also shoot down deck-mounted attack aircraft directly above the aircraft carrier.

"Polyment-Redoubt" - an anti-aircraft missile system of the sea-based with the installation of a vertical launch, designed for ships of the class destroyer, frigate, corvette. At the moment, his ammunition includes three types of vertical-launch anti-aircraft missiles: 9М100, 9М96 and 9М96Д.
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  1. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 20 November 2018 09: 35
    -23
    Receive, deliver, provide, will, plan, promise.
    1. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 20 November 2018 09: 37
      +22
      Quote: gunnerminer
      Receive, deliver, provide, will, plan, promise.

      Yes ... They did not promise with Crimea. And did not plan. And you see how it happened.
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 20 November 2018 09: 43
        -26
        About the promised ammunition messages are built on speculation and elements of bragging.

        - They did not promise with Crimea. And did not plan-

        Gooseberry is in the garden, and aunt is in Ashkelon.
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 20 November 2018 09: 44
          +9
          Quote: gunnerminer
          About the promised ammunition messages are built on speculation and elements of bragging.

          - They did not promise with Crimea. And did not plan-

          Gooseberry is in the garden, and aunt is in Ashkelon.

          Hello aunt ....
          1. Machito
            Machito 20 November 2018 10: 03
            -1
            The Poliment-Redoubt supersonic missile will turn our mosquito fleet from frigates, corvettes, river-sea RTOs into a very dangerous enemy of the NATO fleet.
            If ships are equipped with more supersonic missiles and decent PLO, we will get cheap enough ships to counter our opponents. In a word: asymmetric GDP response.
            1. Frederick
              Frederick 20 November 2018 10: 27
              +10
              Yes, but there is one caveat. Where is all this stuff shoved into the corvette ?! Is it rubber?
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 20 November 2018 19: 56
                -1
                Quote: Friedrich
                Where is all this stuff shoved into the corvette ?! Is it rubber?

                Have you heard anything about universally PU?
            2. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 20 November 2018 10: 57
              -11
              -Super sound rocket Polyment-Redoubt will turn our mosquito fleet from -

              There is very little left to create at least a model of such an anti-aircraft munition. And to strengthen the mosquito boat with a hypersonic missile. At least one.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 20 November 2018 14: 01
                +2
                The Poliment-Redoubt supersonic missile will turn our mosquito fleet from frigates, corvettes, river-sea RTOs into a very dangerous enemy of the NATO fleet.

                Suddenly a door creaked in a fairy tale,
                Everything became clear to me now .... wassat
                No mosquito fleet will lead anything further than 200 km.
                In corvettes 20380, etc. short VPU. Even long 96 won't go there. Not to mention the new 400 km super missiles. Something like this. Unfortunately. hi
                1. hrych
                  hrych 20 November 2018 14: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Alex777
                  No mosquito fleet will lead anything further than 200 km

                  Here, from the Caspian Sea, they hit Caliber with a distance of 1500 km, in the same Caspian for external target designation of ZGRLS Sunflower, they worked out the calculations of the RTOs to repel an air attack, but she still sees 450 km. For the 40N6 rocket, the problem will be solved simply, as Izhisa's Sm-3 works quietly from the VPU Mk 41 together with Tomahawk, so VPU 3C-14 Caliber will quite accept the long SAM. Or type they can, but we can’t type? laughing
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 26 November 2018 16: 57
                    0
                    Do not confuse warm and soft! laughing
                    What does Caliber and their guidance and anti-aircraft missiles have to do with which routes are tied in real time?
                    Sm-3 Aegis calmly works from the VPU Mk 41 together with Tomahawk, so VPU 3S-14 Caliber will quite accept the long SAM. Or type they can, but we can’t type? laughing

                    Well, why write such nonsense?
                    Do not fly SAM from UKKS. Absolutely.
                    A different start for Caliber and SAM missiles (hot and cold). And the Americans are the same. Therefore no problem. hi
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 26 November 2018 17: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Alex777
                      A different start for Caliber and SAM missiles (hot and cold).

                      That's it, that an air defense missile is easier than if it were the other way around, they planted it with a mortar launch and forth. I do not see the problem. I see the problem that our engineers solve everything quite successfully, the military voiced, and our layman begins to philosophize about the impossibility of what is already working. Gauges and their guidance really have nothing to do with it, although many algorithms are already similar, in particular flight by inertial and positioning systems, path correction, and at the final stage, the operation of the GOS to hit a moving target, such as a ship. An over-the-horizon missile is inherently obliged to be guided by external target designation, it is essentially obliged to adjust the flight to the direct capture of the target by the seeker, but they forgot to ask such skeptics, for whom it was all nonsense, to forget hi
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 27 November 2018 22: 18
                        0
                        That's it, that an air defense missile is easier than if it were the other way around, they planted it with a mortar launch and forth.

                        You are starving me with your tenacity and unwillingness to read the descriptions of the technique.
                        It is the mortar start (aka "cold") that is used in air defense. Even without your prompts.
                        And Caliber starts in the mine (aka "hot" method). And now, finally, understand that the UKSK allows only a hot start. Dot. hi
                        Tomahawks can hit moving targets. In version block 4 EMNIP. They tested it, but in the series it is not yet.
                        Caliber can not yet. But learn over time.
                        Over-the-horizon guidance (by over-the-horizon detection) without a network-centric data transmission and control system (which we do not yet have in working form) is a very complicated thing. hi
                        Therefore, the Yankees did not receive their 5 armored Hammers, which we got in Georgia, back. Because we need to learn something. smile
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 27 November 2018 22: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Alex777
                        Caliber can not yet. But learn over time

                        There is a caliber of the RCC variant; it quite amazes the moving targets.
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 28 November 2018 16: 08
                        0
                        At what range is RCC moving targets striking?
                        Who, 3M-54 (continuation of Turquoise), saw her alive? bully
                        And Tomahawk - 1200 km. But the target should highlight the fighter. Although the Yankees have implemented not only online communication and command transmission, even real-time video from a rocket can be received via satellite. smile
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 28 November 2018 18: 00
                        0
                        Judging by the affected objects in the form of a concrete house for 1500 km, there certainly was a correction in the final section and the target was highlighted or aimed at the camera. RCC Caliber 3M-54E has a maximum firing range, km 220 (20 - supersonic section), and 3M-54E1 without a supersonic version in the final section 300 km. Considering that these are export options and the ZM-14E is also declared to be exported under 300 km, while outside the export it flies 1500 km in a high explosive version, that is, 5 times farther than the export version, then we assume ZM-54 in range under 1000 km, and ZM-54-1 (without a supersonic section) is also assumed to be close to 1500 km. Although the RGGS RCC should be heavier than with an IR-GOS or with a television camera, therefore, we expect to lose a couple of hundred kilometers, which is not essential in the anti-ship version. Also, when using a nuclear charge (unlike Tomahawk, it’s our main one), the range increases by about 1000 km (like Tomogavka itself), because a special charge of about 120-150 kg, and not a half-ton high-explosive bomb and the cast weight is less and more fuel can be taken. Therefore, the algorithm is simpler, there is no need to get on board, a hill is made, the target is captured, the missile defense decreases, leaving the horizon and undermining immediately after leaving the horizon so as not to give a chance to work out the air defense of the ship (connection). Actually, this is not new, the killers of aircraft carriers in the form of Antei and Tu22m3 used Granite and X-22, respectively, so as not to enter the PLA and AUG air defense zone, to launch anti-ship missiles, which carried half-megaton charge, and X-22 right up to the megaton charge. The calculation is correct, Antey could launch as many as 24 missiles, and Tu22M3 one or two and they would have to be detonated further, but also fly them further because air defense is always wider than antiaircraft defense.
                      5. Alex777
                        Alex777 28 November 2018 18: 09
                        0
                        Great theorist! Not too lazy to write all this? Nothing at all. Till! hi
                      6. hrych
                        hrych 28 November 2018 18: 49
                        0
                        Great denier, Bye! hi
            3. alexmach
              alexmach 20 November 2018 11: 01
              +3
              On the RTO, in principle, there is nowhere to "shove" it, on Corvettes - there are no radar cells, on frigates - there are doubts that what is already in the Polyment-Reduta is working as it should, in all honesty, there is no exact data about this, only guesswork.
              1. hrych
                hrych 20 November 2018 14: 55
                -3
                Quote: alexmach
                On RTOs, in principle, there is nowhere to "shove" it

                The same place where the Caliber was "shoved". laughing
                Quote: alexmach
                no radars

                An over-the-horizon missile missile does not require target illumination with a radar, according to the external target designation of an ARLO, ZGRLS aircraft, etc., the missile flies on an inertial, then the GOS in active mode captures and hits the target.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 20 November 2018 16: 22
                  -1
                  Long-range missiles cannot be short in length. And it does not fit in small ships.
                  And missiles without radar are generally absurd. No wonder missile destroyers and frigates are building 50-100 thousand tons of displacement.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 20 November 2018 17: 39
                    +5
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    And it does not fit in small ships.

                    But what about VPU 3S-14? It includes everything, 9 meters long, including the Caliber, and these things stand on Frigates 22350 and 11356, Corvettes 20385, Storozhevikah 11661, MRK 21631 and 22800.
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    And missiles without radar are generally absurd.

                    Any MANPADS SAM does not have a radar, so what? SAM complex "Sosna-R" does not have a radar, but uses an optical-electronic control system (OESU) weapons. Absurd? In general, air-to-air missiles with IR-GOS, as well as with RGSN, can be launched on the OLS (which can be seen in the Su-35 at 80-90 km) and generally not use the aircraft's radar. We read works on firing missiles at over-the-horizon targets and weep, for some will soon not hide beyond the horizon, like the Anti-Lebanon and Lebanon ranges. And the 40N6 rocket, this is something new in the SAM, and of course, for some, the algorithm of such missiles does not fit in the head laughing
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    No wonder missile destroyers and frigates are building 50-100 thousand tons of displacement

                    Where do you get all this from? laughing Today, a Frigate of the 2nd class is 2-4 thousand tons, a Frigate of the 1st class is 4-5 thousand tons of displacement. American destroyers Arly Burke from 6,6 to 9,6 thousand tons of displacement. Well, if 10 Arly Burke spliced ​​into a mouse king, then your dreams will come true.
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                      1. hrych
                        hrych 20 November 2018 18: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        5-10 thousand. I had in mind, and you perfectly understood me

                        Well, the aircraft carrier Bush, with a displacement of 97 thousand tons, can be leveled at him laughing
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Therefore, external target designation in the middle of the flight will help little.

                        External target designation gives the location and trajectory of the target and there is such a thing as anticipation, i.e. calculation of the meeting place with a view. There are also firing at catch-up and oncoming (counter-intersecting) courses. The missile is hypersonic, flies very quickly on the inertial (minute / one and a half at maximum range) and its inertia is very, very, and the steering wheels allow themselves to maneuver perfectly. It is still two-stage and it is not known how the second stage works, possibly even after capturing the target of its GOS. Naturally, in the place of the GOS capture, it dives onto the target from above, thereby expanding the radio horizon (the line of sight in the optical spectrum) and it has an IR detector combined with supposedly an IR detector so that no stealth is set. wassat
                  2. alexmach
                    alexmach 20 November 2018 18: 32
                    0
                    Long-range missiles cannot be short in length

                    And 5,6 meters (the longest according to Wikipedia is in service with a redoubt) is it short or long?
                  3. the most important
                    the most important 20 November 2018 18: 54
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    No wonder rocket destroyers and frigates build 50-100 thousands of tons of displacement.

                    Oh, brother ... yes you are a complete ignoramus in shipbuilding !!. So in one word you can destroy your entire reputation ... A frigate of 100 thousand tons ???? Is he the size of an atomic aircraft carrier ???? They made fun .. They made fun ... You for this +!
                  4. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 20 November 2018 19: 59
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    No wonder rocket destroyers and frigates build 50-100 thousands of tons of displacement.

                    A destroyer or a frigate of 50-100 thousand tons? wassat Our heavy cruiser Peter the Great has less than 25 thousand tons of displacement.
                    And what kind of frigate of 100 thousand tons can you find out?
                  5. goose
                    goose 21 November 2018 09: 03
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    No wonder rocket destroyers and frigates build 50-100 thousands of tons of displacement.

                    More likely 4500-15000 thousand tons. now the range.
                    I agree, at least because of the dimensions of the installation and the size of the ammunition, the presence of long-range missiles with a range of more than 100 km is meaningless on small-tonnage ships.
                    However, for such missiles often indicate the maximum range achieved in the last phase with the engine inoperative when falling from the stratosphere, i.e. the real active part of the missile’s flight is 30–50% less; on the passive part of the trajectory, the possibilities of interception are very limited.
                    But ... shooting without precise target designation at ultra-long range is possible in the presence of target designation from the side.
                  6. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 23 November 2018 19: 07
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    No wonder rocket destroyers and frigates build 50-100 thousands of tons of displacement.

                    With a displacement you obviously got excited! 100 thousand tons is the AVM displacement !!! (Nimitz - 98 425t!) bully
                2. alexmach
                  alexmach 20 November 2018 18: 27
                  +1
                  Over-the-horizon missile missiles do not require target illumination by radar

                  Yeah .. And the discovery of this very target before launch is still required? Or is it already possible without this too?
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 20 November 2018 18: 38
                    0
                    Quote: alexmach
                    Or is it already possible without this too?

                    It is possible, if there is an external target designation, for example, an AWACS or ZGRLS aircraft is operating. For example, Polyana-D4 can control 4 divisions S-300 (S-400) and Bukami, receiving target designation directly from the A-50 aircraft. Now, the RTOs do not need to see the target themselves, they receive external data and send missiles to the meeting point, this was worked out on December 16, 2016, RTOs in the Caspian Sea, when the planes hiding behind the radio horizon were fixed by ZGRLS and the coordinates were transmitted to the RTOs, which with its modest SAMs repelled the attack, and missiles can only be with IR-GOS, i.e. no illumination of the target by the radar is required at all, for example, Needle and Bending.
                    1. Arikkhab
                      Arikkhab 20 November 2018 22: 47
                      +1
                      Something all in a bunch ... And over-the-horizon target designation, and PZPK Needle ...
                      1. hrych
                        hrych 20 November 2018 22: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: ArikKhab
                        Something all in a bunch ... And over-the-horizon target designation, and PZPK Needle ...

                        No heap. In the Caspian, RTOs armed only with a Bend with optical guidance, and which uses the SAM (Verba) missile, which is not a variant of MANPADS, but at the Gibka stationary installation, by external target designation of the ZGRLS Sunflower, repelled a conditional attack from the air. This was the first time that the air defense missile defense system imposed air defense. RTO, although it has a very good radar (Positive), but can’t look beyond the horizon, but the Sunflower can also calculate the air defense of an RTO, knew when and where an airplane or aircraft would jump out of the horizon, then it’s a matter of technology. RTOs are not yet armed with missiles with the RGSN, but only missiles with the IR-GOS. Well, anti-aircraft gun mount Duet. Therefore, there is no contradiction.
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      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 November 2018 09: 48
        -4
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        And you see how it happened.

        He is with the company, they convinced me the day before yesterday that our fleet is degrading, along with the Air Force. Specialists of the highest level
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 20 November 2018 09: 49
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          And you see how it happened.

          He is with the company, they convinced me the day before yesterday that our fleet is degrading, along with the Air Force. Specialists of the highest level

          Yes, not the right word ...
      3. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane 20 November 2018 11: 33
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        Yes ... They did not promise with Crimea. And did not plan. And you see how it happened.

        but they didn’t say the same thing about the piece of the Barents Sea and islands on the Amur, and the bam no longer belongs to us
      4. ioan-e
        ioan-e 20 November 2018 11: 39
        +4
        Yes ... They did not promise with Crimea. And did not plan. And you see how it happened.

        Yes! And they didn’t promise with pension, but how it turned out!
        PS And something is very scary about the Kuril Islands!
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 20 November 2018 13: 32
          +1
          Quote: ioan-e
          PS And something is very scary about the Kuril Islands!

          Remember, from a national song:
          "The Ridge will not get
          Samurai never ... "
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 20 November 2018 09: 36
    -8
    Fleet degradation on the face.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 20 November 2018 09: 45
      -7
      Set. They talk about arming the super destroyer with hypersonic ammunition. They will soon show the cartoon.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 20 November 2018 09: 51
        +10
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Set. They talk about arming the super destroyer with hypersonic ammunition. They will soon show the cartoon.

        In Syria, the barmaley have seen enough of "cartoons". Before death. Their last wish was. What cartoon? One word. "Caliber".
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 20 November 2018 10: 59
          -2
          Your main enemies are by no means barmalei. They do not threaten the combat readiness of strategic nuclear forces.

          -One word. "Caliber".-

          The caliber is magnificent against an adversary that does not have modern fighters, air defense, electronic warfare. Yes, and the barmels after crushing volleys of the caliber complex Caliber repeatedly delivered tangible blows to the Persians and hezbollons.
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 20 November 2018 11: 24
            +5
            Quote: gunnerminer
            Your main enemies are by no means barmalei. They do not threaten the combat readiness of strategic nuclear forces.

            -One word. "Caliber".-

            The caliber is magnificent against an adversary that does not have modern fighters, air defense, electronic warfare. Yes, and the barmels after crushing volleys of the caliber complex Caliber repeatedly delivered tangible blows to the Persians and hezbollons.

            You re-read yourself. You wrote the first about the "cartoon". I answered you. Nobody believed that we had cruise missiles. USA in the first place. Now they also do not believe in "Vanguard" and "Dagger". Flag in their hands.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 November 2018 09: 52
        +4
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Skro cartoon show.

        They will show, show. So they will show that in the EU and the USA, the demand for bunkers will increase. In Russia, they don’t know how to do anything, but Muradik
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 20 November 2018 11: 03
          -5
          - they don’t know how to do anything, yes Muradik
          Modern ammunition is more for cartoons. Other things are done at a teal-pace, expensive, and with tails of criminal cases.
      3. Gray brother
        Gray brother 20 November 2018 10: 07
        +1
        Quote: gunnerminer
        .Skro cartoon show.

        Gunya, the cartoon is this:
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 20 November 2018 11: 04
          -1
          This cartoon on the media can not be shoved. For draftees from the slums of Toronto.
      4. nesvobodnye
        nesvobodnye 20 November 2018 10: 30
        +6
        I agree. Mosfilm does not sleep.
        We started from the Crimean bridge, then Putin’s order for new weapons was fulfilled, and now we got to the destroyer.
        Horror! Today, Russia is dying especially hard.
        /sarcasm/
      5. AnderS
        AnderS 20 November 2018 17: 19
        0
        not, today Rogozin said that a little bit more and apple trees will bloom on the moon ...
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  3. Old26
    Old26 20 November 2018 09: 50
    +6
    I liked the expression more
    According to the developers, the missile will be capable of hitting cruise and ballistic missiles, drones, and shoot down deck attack aircraft directly above an aircraft carrier.

    Well, with drones, ballistic and aerodynamic targets, everything is clear. Interestingly, the developers are aware that this frigate corvette is unlikely to be tolerated by such a distance to the aircraft carrier. The technological reserve for 40N6 is certainly good, but the dimensions for 40N6 and 9M96 and 9M100 are different ...
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 20 November 2018 10: 02
      +5
      Do they even fit into a corvette?
      Oh, these storytellers
    2. Machito
      Machito 20 November 2018 10: 06
      -4
      The aircraft carrier itself will be afraid to approach our corvettes and MRK.
    3. Photon
      Photon 20 November 2018 13: 00
      -1
      And why at such a distance to approach the aircraft carrier? This rocket will just get the AWACS plane
  4. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 20 November 2018 09: 50
    +2
    So the complex was generally accepted or not?
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 20 November 2018 10: 01
      +7
      Quote: Anton Yu
      So the complex was generally accepted or not?

      I didn’t see such messages, but judging by the fact that Gorshkov was accepted into service ... winked
      And the fact that the distant arm will appear even among frigates and corvettes is a big plus.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 20 November 2018 11: 03
      +1
      Well, Gorshkov was accepted.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 20 November 2018 09: 57
    +4
    Yes "powerful", yes promising! The only question is the saturation of air defense systems covering ships, navy, with such systems.
  6. loki565
    loki565 20 November 2018 10: 07
    +6
    And what are subsonic air defense missiles ??? and whom do they hit, cornmen ???))
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 20 November 2018 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: loki565
      And what are subsonic air defense missiles ??? and whom do they hit, cornmen ???))

      You will laugh. Happen! More precisely, they were once. Naturally, in Britain. About 50 years ago, Tiger Cat and Sea Cat. This Sea Cat in the Falklands distinguished himself by not knocking down a single Argentine plane.
  7. Wiruz
    Wiruz 20 November 2018 10: 09
    0
    The mass-dimensional characteristics of this rocket are interesting. If the diameter is like 40H6, then the question again will be about the possibility of placing four 9M96 missiles in each cell. Then our ships, if not in quality, then at least in number of missiles, will be ahead of the rest ...
    Oh, those dreams ...
  8. faiver
    faiver 20 November 2018 10: 44
    +3
    Well, God forbid that it has grown together good
  9. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 20 November 2018 11: 12
    +1
    Such a big cell and such a small hole in it.
  10. rruvim
    rruvim 20 November 2018 11: 25
    +2
    ... as well as shoot down deck attack aircraft directly above the aircraft carrier.

    Maybe the carrier itself is easier ...
    And how to "highlight" an aerodynamic target over an aircraft carrier at a distance of 300-400 km?
    1. jonht
      jonht 20 November 2018 11: 35
      +1
      A simple, active three range homing head. We definitely have two ...
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 20 November 2018 11: 45
        +2
        But how do you know that an airplane took off from AB? and indeed, where is he, this AB?
        1. jonht
          jonht 20 November 2018 12: 02
          0
          The deployment of the space group Liana let it go slowly, but she will blow the data. At the moment, there are no rockets yet, they are in development.
        2. Genry
          Genry 20 November 2018 14: 03
          0
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Where is he, this AB?

          All aircraft carriers are constantly underway. When I served, I saw brief telegrams, with the movement of all active.
  11. Kaw
    Kaw 20 November 2018 16: 41
    +1
    Does this mean that the S-350 complex will have the same characteristics?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 25 November 2018 19: 00
      0
      You can forget about the S-350. He died without being born
  12. sivuch
    sivuch 20 November 2018 16: 49
    0
    Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
    Quote: gunnerminer
    About the promised ammunition messages are built on speculation and elements of bragging.

    - They did not promise with Crimea. And did not plan-

    Gooseberry is in the garden, and aunt is in Ashkelon.

    Hello aunt ....

    Gunya whistles. There are no aunts in Ashkelon.
    I go to Ashkelon to work
  13. Old26
    Old26 20 November 2018 20: 52
    +2
    Quote: Bearded
    The aircraft carrier itself will be afraid to approach our corvettes and MRK.

    Aha! Have you already prepared the hats to throw them over the AUG? The radius of the AUG order is approximately 100 km. The patrol (air), armed, by the way, like AWACS aircraft, is located at a distance of about 400-500 km from the aircraft carrier. And who will be afraid to approach whom? corvettes-frigates in the amount of one or two units to the AUG or AUG to this "group" ...

    Quote: kjhg
    Quote: Anton Yu
    So the complex was generally accepted or not?

    I didn’t see such messages, but judging by the fact that Gorshkov was accepted into service ... winked
    And the fact that the distant arm will appear even among frigates and corvettes is a big plus.

    "Gorshkov" was accepted. With or without comments on the anti-aircraft missile system - KhZ. But this complex does not yet have a "distant missile" at all. It will be and when is unknown. Especially when you consider that almost 400 years passed from the moment the S-10 complex was put on the BD, before the "long-range" 40N6 was adopted, then maybe in 10 years, by 2030, the "Polyment-Redut" will acquire a "long-range missile" ". Moreover, the dimensions of the S-400 and Polyment-Redut missiles are different. And it will not work to "shove" a 40N6 rocket into this complex. So it will be necessary to make a new one. And it's not a fact that this new one will have such a range ...

    Quote: Captain Pushkin
    You will laugh. Happen! More precisely, they were once. Naturally, in Britain. About 50 years ago, Tiger Cat and Sea Cat. This Sea Cat in the Falklands distinguished himself by not knocking down a single Argentine plane.

    Well, these missiles, let’s say so closer to MANPADS than to serious complexes. And their goals then did not differ at special speeds.

    Quote: Wiruz
    The mass-dimensional characteristics of this rocket are interesting. If the diameter is like 40H6, then the question again will be about the possibility of placing four 9M96 missiles in each cell. Then our ships, if not in quality, then at least in number of missiles, will be ahead of the rest ...
    Oh, those dreams ...

    The Polyment-Redut complex is a variant of the Vityaz complex, which has been overshadowed by EMNIP. And no 40H6 will fit into this cell even with a very strong desire. calculation for missiles of the class 9M96 and 9M100, but not for "large missiles of the S-400 complex ...

    Quote: jonht
    The deployment of the space group Liana let it go slowly, but she will blow the data. At the moment, there are no rockets yet, they are in development.

    In order for it to "extract" data, it is necessary to deploy a large enough grouping, and not from 4 "Lotuses" and one "Peony" (which is not yet in orbit). Even the Soviet system of apparatuses, incl. and with nuclear reactors could not "Cover" the entire water area of ​​the oceans. Only part of it. And when "Liana" will be able to give something concretely in the allowable time interval - no one knows

    Quote: Genry
    All aircraft carriers are constantly underway. When I served, I saw brief telegrams, with the movement of all active.

    Yes, when there was a fleet reconnaissance aircraft. And now? How many aircraft carriers and at what distance are tracked if reconnaissance aircraft are at a minimum?
  14. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 20 November 2018 22: 42
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    Long-range is understandable ... But "supersonic"? Aren't SAM missiles by definition supersonic?
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 November 2018 09: 02
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      the English, I remember, had an exotic in the form of subsonic, but in general you are right, now there simply are no others.
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 21 November 2018 08: 23
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Long-range missiles cannot be short in length. And it does not fit in small ships.
    And missiles without radar are generally absurd. No wonder missile destroyers and frigates are building 50-100 thousand tons of displacement.

    Well, you went too far! 100 thousand tons are built by aircraft carriers. For the destroyer 8-10 thousand
  16. Avior
    Avior 21 November 2018 09: 01
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    as I understand it, no one has ever seen not only evidence, but even statements or simple statements from officials that Polement-Redoubt shot with anything other than the 9M100.
    And what about Polement’s problem of transferring a target from one HEADLIGHT to another? Not a word came across either.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 25 November 2018 19: 02
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      Sterilized. A couple of years ago, he shot 9M96 from the side of the corvette, recently from Gorshkov. The latter seemed to even shoot 9M96M. But is it successful ... They won’t tell us about it
  17. box9603
    box9603 21 November 2018 11: 14
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    Ahaha
    The funniest thing about this news is there is NO such news on the news.
    There are 2 articles side by side: about a long-range marine missile based on a 40n6 missile and about Poliment-Redoubt.
    As a result, on topvar, news in the form of soup from various news as a result of the editor’s life.
    It remains to be glad that there were no articles on the news, for example, about Armata and the Dagger. There would be a bomb cover break from the topvar.