In Japan, began to forget about the act of unconditional surrender

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The discussion of the possible conclusion of a peace treaty with Japan continues. At the same time, Russia once again says that it is ready to sign the contract even now - without any preconditions, which could be a gesture of goodwill. However, Japan continues to insist that Russia first transfer the Kuril Islands, which in Tokyo are called the Northern Territories.

In Japan, began to forget about the act of unconditional surrender




With their statements about the “necessity of transferring the islands,” the Japanese authorities unequivocally say that the peace treaty as such is not fundamentally interesting for them. In this regard, the current Japanese authorities, who on the domestic political scene are already openly saying that they intend to push Moscow to transfer at least two islands of the South Kuriles under Japanese jurisdiction, it is necessary to recall the existence of 2 in the calendar on 1945 of September. Indeed, in Tokyo, capitulation and conditions began to be forgotten.

It was on that day that Japan signed the Unconditional Surrender Act. In this act there is not a word that any island of the Kuril ridge belongs to or may belong to Japan. Tokyo had a chance in 1956, when the Soviet government decided to do a good job with the Japanese on the transfer of two islands (Shikotan and Habomai), but the Japanese themselves did not go on this, declaring that they "need four islands." Today, the fact of the execution of the Soviet-Japanese declaration from 1956, de jure, is impossible due to the fact that in 1960, Moscow had to cancel its obligations in connection with the Japanese concluding an agreement on "security" with the United States. It was then that the American military presence began to expand in Japan.

Returning to the topic of signing a peace treaty, you need to consider that Japan is among the countries that support anti-Russian sanctions. Declaring territorial claims, the Japanese authorities do not say a word about the need to lift the sanctions imposed on the Russian Federation. This is further proof that Japan does not need a peace treaty as such. She needs the weakness of the Russian position, on the basis of which it would be possible to obtain a part of the Southern Kuriles.

In negotiations with Tokyo, one should take into account that Japan is not a de facto independent state. Tens of thousands of foreign troops on Japanese territory is one example. This is actually the occupying forces. According to the IMF data from 2017, the national debt of this country is at the level of 240% of GDP. This is a record among all countries of the world, and this, in principle, can explain the economic miracle that happened to Japan in the last century, and to which we continue to be surprised.

With such a duty, the signing of peace treaties, by definition, cannot be beneficial for Japan. She needs actions that could enable the economy to at least partially get rid of the debt burden. One of such actions is the territorial advantage that the authorities of the Land of the Rising Sun are counting on, noting the possibility of signing the contract on any other conditions.
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  1. +41
    19 November 2018 14: 38
    Gorbach, when he united Germany, for some reason did not think about the independence of Germany.
    And now we have Americans in the territory of not only the GDR
    1. Underwater hunter
      +56
      19 November 2018 14: 39
      Japan is clearly impudent .. we must set the conditions! From the fact that they are at war with us, only they feel worse ..
      1. +27
        19 November 2018 14: 45
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        Japan is clearly impudent .. we must set the conditions

        We gave them them in the Potsdam Declaration, their business is to carry it out and not the island stares. And for their Wishlist you need to say "thank you" to the bald corn grower who promised them the return of the islands.
        1. Underwater hunter
          +22
          19 November 2018 14: 48
          Quote: Tersky
          Quote: Underwater Hunter
          Japan is clearly impudent .. we must set the conditions

          We put them in the Potsdam Declaration, their business is to carry it out and not the island stares. And for their Wishlist it is necessary to show "thanks" to the bald maize grower who promised them the return of the islands.

          Yeah, the corn breeder did things ..
          1. +7
            19 November 2018 14: 54
            Quote: another RUSICH
            Gorbach, when he united Germany, for some reason did not think about the independence of Germany.
            And now we have Americans in the territory of not only the GDR

            This is your brilliant analytical remark from the field of historical geopolitics of some Russian liberal traitor politicians in the USSR / Russia!
            Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
            1. +4
              19 November 2018 15: 18
              ... in hindsight, everyone is eager to think ..
          2. +5
            20 November 2018 07: 18
            Now we will translate all the arrows on the bald one. Everyone forgot about him. In Soviet times, no declarations of 56 and other years were even mentioned. Why the hell are they now remembered?
          3. 0
            20 November 2018 12: 48
            "..... the corn farmer has done things ..." - at least he did not ruin the country, unlike the spot-headed one.
        2. +20
          19 November 2018 15: 18
          Hello Victor! hi I hope my message came to you in PM. And if on the topic the issue of the northern territories is a stalemate situation, the kotrray will hang in the air for another 500 years! It's simple, there are Amer bases in Japan, which means there are no islands in Japan. Japan Amer colony in fact, then the question of the islands can not be a priori at all!
          1. -1
            20 November 2018 07: 24
            The stalemate was 20 years ago. But it seems that the parties have agreed on everything. Only the details are unclear. For example, the declaration refers to the "Habomai Islands", and now our "greatest diplomats" are talking about the "Habomai Ridge". Does this mean that we are talking about the entire Kuril ridge?
        3. +26
          19 November 2018 15: 23
          So it was Stalin who offered them two islands, but the conditions were set such that the Japs with him more about the Kuril Islands and did not stutter.
          The meaning of today's attempt to probe the opinion of the transfer of the Kuril Islands is not clear. We have something to do with this? Peace treaty? So for more than 70 years he did not rest against anyone, and his absence was on the drum for us. The Japs promise that there will be no American bases ... So they will not be there without transferring the islands. What else can they offer in return to be of any interest? Nothing? So what is the point for us to voice this issue in our media?
          1. GAF
            +4
            19 November 2018 17: 55
            Quote: mavrus
            So it was Stalin who offered them two islands, but the conditions were set such that the Japs with him more about the Kuril Islands and did not stutter.

            It was not in his rules to distribute "Kemsky volosts". He acted according to: "Complete and unconditional surrender" means the termination of the existence of the subject of international relations, the dismantling of the former state as a political institution, its loss of sovereignty and all power powers, which are transferred to the victorious powers, which themselves determine the conditions of peace and the post-war order and settlement. "
            In fact, Japan is under US occupation. And all her Wishlist are inspired by the United States, which guarantee Japan "good-neighborly relations with its immediate environment.
            The extravagant Khrushchev started a muddy story in 1956, during which the United States exerted direct pressure on Japan and did not stop at an ultimatum: “The United States announced that in the event that Japan signed a Peace Treaty with the USSR, in which it would agree to recognize South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands part of the territory of the USSR, "The United States will forever keep the Ryukkyu Islands (Okinawa) in its possession."
            An agreement on military cooperation between Tokyo and Washington followed on January 19, 1960, and it enshrined the indefinite stay of the US armed forces in Japanese territory. This is the root of the problem.
            So Khrushchev had to get out of this muddy story:
            “On January 27, 1960, the Soviet government announced“ a change in circumstances ”and warned that“ only on condition that all foreign troops are withdrawn from Japanese territory and a Peace Treaty between the USSR and Japan is signed, the islands of Habomai and Shikotan will be transferred to Japan. ” bald head
            1. +1
              20 November 2018 08: 23
              In fact, Japan is under US occupation
              In fact, the entire Western world is under US occupation ..
          2. +9
            19 November 2018 18: 34
            Putin-Medvedev has some personal interest in us. We are preparing for the islands to be given away and the media will sound a logical explanation for this, they just haven’t come up with yet, and they are breaking through public opinion, it’s necessary to sit another 5 years, or not all reforms have been carried out still, and you have to fix your ass in old age, somewhere in England-Spain.
            1. +4
              19 November 2018 19: 45
              Where in England Spain? This is at least stupid. For example, Berezovsky wanted to hang himself so much that he broke two ribs for himself. It’s safer to live in Russia.
            2. +2
              20 November 2018 10: 38
              I agree with you akula! The Japs are already too joyful to run, and the media cover the topic with might and main, as if it had been decided. Kremlin jerks seem to have gone all over. There isn’t enough intelligence to develop territories, and why? They have everything in chocolate! Burn in hell to these medveputes!
        4. +3
          19 November 2018 17: 00
          "thanks" to the bald corn grower
          Who knows, to whom and what promised. Seeing how kind uncle distributes Russian territories, the Finns became aroused, it turns out they owe them.
          Each generation solves its problems.
      2. +22
        19 November 2018 14: 48
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        From the fact that they are at war with us, only they feel worse ..

        Japan signed an act of surrender .. how then can it be at war?
        The peace treaty is a filkin letter. The Americans just need two islands in order to have free access for the military to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
        1. Underwater hunter
          +6
          19 November 2018 14: 49
          Quote: dvina71
          how then can she be at war?

          There is no peace treaty with us .. it means still in a state of war.
          1. +30
            19 November 2018 14: 57
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            There is no peace treaty with us.

            They have surrendered with us. They signed it on the Missouri aircraft. Japan surrendered to the Allies. The USSR entered, as an ally, into the war with Japan on August 9, 1945 .. Defeated 800 thousand groupings of the Imperial Japanese army .. That's it .. the end of history. A peace treaty is concluded at the height of a war, when the parties are failing and resources are depleted. After the surrender, the Peace Treaty is a fiction - it's one, two ... certainly not on the terms of the defeated.
          2. +4
            19 November 2018 15: 01
            Quote: Underwater Hunter
            There is no peace treaty with us .. it means still in a state of war.

            So still in a state of surrender.
            1. -4
              19 November 2018 15: 11
              The capitulation ended the San Francisco Peace Treaty. Open the school textbook again, so as not to flog crap. Or at least pedivikyu.

              He stopped the occupation of Japan and determined its new borders. The USSR did not sign it.
              1. +6
                19 November 2018 15: 13
                Quote: Axel
                The USSR did not sign it.

                You wrote it yourself. Foreign contracts are not a decree for us.
              2. +13
                19 November 2018 15: 33
                Quote: Axel

                Surrender status

                There is no state of surrender. There is a state of war or peace. Surrender is an act. Everything after him is the winners and the vanquished. Defeated conditions do not dictate, especially in the matter of territories.
                1. -3
                  19 November 2018 15: 38
                  The trick is that the refusal to sign an agreement in 1951 already in the fifties was seen as a blunder of Soviet diplomacy !!! Then there would be no need for a separate peace treaty.
          3. +12
            19 November 2018 15: 42
            We do not have any "peace treaty" with Honduras either, and with India, I think, too ... and there are more than a hundred such countries .. So what do we need most of all, to distribute the islands to everyone so that there are some kind of treaties there?
        2. +10
          19 November 2018 16: 36
          Quote: dvina71
          Quote: Underwater Hunter
          From the fact that they are at war with us, only they feel worse ..

          Japan signed an act of surrender .. how then can it be at war?
          The peace treaty is a filkin letter. The Americans just need two islands in order to have free access for the military to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.

          If we, as a result of the betrayal of any of the top leaders, lose at least two islands, then the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be our inland sea and become an international sea (of general access). And then the American Tomahawks will be able to get to our Primorye at the distance of the strike.
          For us, the loss of the islands of death is similar. Why are our rulers talking so easily about our sovereign territories ?! They are required only protect and preserve the territory of the state, and not squander it in exchange for empty promises. am
          1. +8
            19 November 2018 19: 58
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Why are our rulers talking so easily about our sovereign territories ?!

            I will ask you without any mockery: Are you sure that the territories are still our? And the rulers too our?
            1. +2
              20 November 2018 11: 09
              Quote: Giants
              Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
              Why are our rulers talking so easily about our sovereign territories ?!

              I will ask you without any mockery: Are you sure that the territories are still our? And the rulers too our?

              Not sure, unfortunately ...
      3. +10
        19 November 2018 14: 49
        Japan has never abided by treaties. Read the story.
        Not an inch of land to the enemy.
        1. +1
          20 November 2018 07: 32
          Well, suppose they nevertheless complied with the non-aggression pact with the USSR. The Soviet Union violated it.
          1. +1
            21 November 2018 11: 49
            Quote: syndicalist
            Well, suppose they nevertheless complied with the non-aggression pact with the USSR. The Soviet Union violated it.

            The USSR terminated this treaty in compliance with all international diplomatic requirements. Japan was, in accordance with the contract, two months notified of the unilateral withdrawal of the USSR from the treaty. Compliance with the terms of the contract - is there a violation of it ?!
      4. +4
        19 November 2018 15: 03
        We won’t surrender the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to them, even if they don’t hope
        1. +7
          19 November 2018 17: 05
          We will not surrender the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to them
          It is commendable, but not you decide, but everything has already been decided there. The islands have already been surrendered, they are only thinking how to say to the daragim to the beasts.
      5. -1
        19 November 2018 15: 30
        Putin has already stated that negotiations will be conducted on the basis of the 1956 declaration. That is, he is ready to give two islands. In the place of the Japanese, I would quickly agree until you change your mind
        1. +4
          19 November 2018 15: 39
          Quote: Nick_R
          Putin has already stated that negotiations will be based on a 1956 declaration

          Putin did not say such a thing. He said that this is an initiative of the Japanese, and if they want to discuss it, we will not discuss the transfer of sovereignty over the islands.
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        2. KLV
          0
          21 November 2018 12: 12
          You twist, dear. It is not necessary to present your conjectures as a ready-made solution for someone, it is ugly. Remember the rule: "My tongue is my enemy."
      6. +3
        19 November 2018 15: 47
        By and large, we do not care about all the statements of the Japs. This is a hemorrhoid before his brothers. He promised and did not.
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      8. +2
        19 November 2018 23: 04
        [quoteJapan clearly impudent ..] [/ quote]

        So this is our president urging Japan to sign this agreement, and they are not the ones who put forward the conditions. For me, it’s not entirely clear why, because this country is under the control of the occupying forces, and you need to take off and agree on something. Probably like Gorbachev wants to go down in history as a great peacemaker, it’s even interesting how this will end.
        1. -3
          20 November 2018 02: 34
          this country is controlled by the occupation forces

          Wake up. The occupation of Japan in 1952 ended.
          1. 0
            20 November 2018 21: 48
            Wake up. The occupation of Japan in 1952 ended.


            Formally, yes, actually no. Take at least the deployment of military bases in Okinawa, but at least the Japanese are being ransacked, and the United States wherever they want to place them there. How is this situation different from occupation?
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              1. 0
                20 November 2018 22: 33
                Quote: ipsidixi rider
                If the provision of land for military bases is an occupation, does this mean

                Tell this to the raped Japanese girls.
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      9. 0
        20 November 2018 12: 14
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        Japan is clearly impudent .. we must set conditions!

        unconditional surrender implies that the subject of international relations ceases to exist de jure, and a new configuration with a clean history is created on its remains ... therefore, the current Japan, as a neoplasm that has nothing to do with the Mikado empire, has no right to claim territory outside its modern borders .... Although we can claim Hokkaido as in the territory that once belonged to us and was torn away by the Japs with the destruction of our population on it
      10. 0
        20 November 2018 12: 47
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        Japan is clearly impudent.

        both sides know that chatter on this topic is useless ...... but, due to populism, you can also scream
    2. +7
      19 November 2018 14: 43
      Yes, he did not think for him anyway for whom good to do. The creator of the pancake ...
      1. Underwater hunter
        +10
        19 November 2018 14: 45
        Quote: DenZ
        Yes, he did not think for him anyway for whom good to do. The creator of the pancake ...

        Do you mean Gorbachev? In my opinion, he betrayed and did it quite meaningfully. I do not believe that he was so naive.
        1. +9
          19 November 2018 14: 52
          Gorbachev is a traitor.
          His wife was treated in Germany by our enemies.
          But Stenka Razin drowned Princess, but did not betray.
          1. +1
            20 November 2018 03: 14
            Quote: Bearded
            But Stenka Razin drowned Princess, but did not betray.

            And even during the execution, he shouted to his brother "Shut up, dog!" It's about hidden treasures.
        2. +3
          19 November 2018 17: 02
          spotted did not even betray, but SELLED!
        3. +1
          20 November 2018 10: 43
          This one also sells everything meaningfully! His shirt is closer to the body.
    3. +8
      19 November 2018 15: 33
      Quote: another RUSICH
      Gorbach, when he united Germany, for some reason did not think about the independence of Germany.
      And now we have Americans in the territory of not only the GDR


      It is good that Humpbacked has not yet thought of passing the Kuril Islands to the Japanese. This village bast shoe was ready for anything only for the approval nod of the first leaders of the Western countries.
      1. +2
        19 November 2018 16: 41
        Quote: NF68
        ... It’s good that Humpbacked had not yet thought of passing the Kuril Islands to the Japanese. This village bast shoe was ready for anything only for the approval nod of the first leaders of the Western countries.

        If he then decided to do this, he would be arrested as a traitor, and the whole plan for the collapse of the USSR would fall apart. And they needed to do the main thing - to destroy the Union, and with the rest, like, then we'll figure it out ...
        1. +7
          19 November 2018 16: 54
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          And they needed to do the main thing - to destroy the Union, and with the rest, like, then we'll figure it out ...

          This topic was under Yeltsin. The Japs offered 50 thousand bucks to each resident of the Kuril Islands to move, or Japanese citizenship. Something has not grown together.
        2. +4
          19 November 2018 21: 06
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          Quote: NF68
          ... It’s good that Humpbacked had not yet thought of passing the Kuril Islands to the Japanese. This village bast shoe was ready for anything only for the approval nod of the first leaders of the Western countries.

          If he then decided to do this, he would be arrested as a traitor, and the whole plan for the collapse of the USSR would fall apart. And they needed to do the main thing - to destroy the Union, and with the rest, like, then we'll figure it out ...


          Humpback did not give even for green candy wrappers, but simply for the praise of the leaders of Western countries much more, all that the USSR in the 1941-1945-s recaptured suffered huge human and material losses. Bast he is bast. Although he was at the head of the largest country in the world. And no one for some reason did not arrest him and beat him with his wife as the Romanians did with Ceausescu. But Ceausescu did not do the 100-th share of those dirty tricks for Romania that Humpback did for the USSR.
      2. +2
        19 November 2018 19: 56
        Quote: NF68
        It is good that Humpbacked has not yet thought of passing the Kuril Islands to the Japanese.

        Yeltsin didn’t think of such a thing. And even Medvedev failed.
        1. 0
          20 November 2018 03: 18
          Quote: Henderson
          Yeltsin didn’t think of such a thing.

          Yes, although Solzhenitsyn advised him to give the Kuril Islands.
          Quote: NF68
          But Ceausescu did not do the 100th share of the dirty tricks for Romania that Humpback did for the USSR.

          Both henpecked.
        2. 0
          20 November 2018 11: 19
          Quote: Henderson
          Quote: NF68
          It is good that Humpbacked has not yet thought of passing the Kuril Islands to the Japanese.

          Yeltsin didn’t think of such a thing. And even Medvedev failed.

          Alas, Yeltsin had already made a decision on the transfer, and his visit to Japan was planned on this occasion. But our special services and some comrades from the presidential guard worked well against this visit. Not fused ....
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    4. 0
      20 November 2018 05: 06
      humpback-judah ...
  2. +13
    19 November 2018 14: 42
    Why do we "stubborn" this agreement right now? Japanese investments?
    1. +14
      19 November 2018 14: 51
      Well, there were agreements with Germany, then the war
      agreements with the Americans are worth toilet paper
      then what is it for?
      would send everyone on foot erotic, but ... THEIR children live in the camp of a potential enemy
      so think whose they are, these elites am
      I still hope it's just a bluff, the media, so to speak, fanned
      but the official denial of the situation is not heard
    2. +1
      19 November 2018 14: 53
      This peace treaty is more necessary than Japan, because its economic cooperation with the Russian Federation lags behind China.
      1. +8
        19 November 2018 16: 46
        Quote: Bearded
        This peace treaty is more necessary than Japan, because its economic cooperation with the Russian Federation lags behind China.

        Alexander, if you are interested in economic cooperation, for example, with your neighbor, will you introduce economic and political sanctions against him? They do not need a peace treaty, like us. They need territories for American bases. They are so ordered by the Americans.
        1. +1
          20 November 2018 01: 21
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          under american bases

          Amer on Okinawa became crowded. And the Japanese began to make a lot of noise about the bases. Here
          Americans have looked at the Kuril Islands and are pushing Yap to the conflict.
        2. +1
          20 November 2018 05: 08
          so they are an autonomous province of us ...
      2. 0
        20 November 2018 12: 22
        Quote: Bearded

        This peace treaty is more necessary than Japan

        namely, to break the link between Russia and China, because they will soon come together, there are already preconditions
    3. +6
      19 November 2018 15: 27
      Quote: 210ox
      Why do we "stubborn" this agreement right now? Japanese investments?

      Yes, this agreement has not stuck to us anywhere, but the "Elita" is eager for an infusion of investments (what could have been nailed off is already over, but the thirst to saw does not give rest).
      1. 0
        20 November 2018 12: 24
        Quote: faridg7
        (the fact that one could cut one’s own has already ended, and the thirst for sawing does not give rest)

        the principle of kleptomaniac, -the hands themselves are drawn, -I am not guilty ....
    4. +1
      19 November 2018 15: 55
      This is politics. Japan is ready to take the first steps in confirming its own sovereignty and ending its de facto colonial status. Russia is beneficial. Just as the 1956 declaration was signed with the intention of pulling Japan out of the mainstream of US politics.
  3. +12
    19 November 2018 14: 42
    a peace treaty yields nothing at all)) absolutely nothing. Why is it needed? what prevents it from breaking at any time if the UN is no longer working.
  4. +2
    19 November 2018 14: 45
    then they surrendered to the great power of the USSR, and now who is in front of them? - .... therefore their fingers are fan-shaped and arrogant, confident look, with a grin
    1. +5
      19 November 2018 14: 47
      Are you talking about this confident look and fingers like a fan?

      1. +5
        19 November 2018 15: 40
        Pro 00007 Japan bleats in front of Rossin, as bleached in front of the USSR, so don't wipe it.
  5. +10
    19 November 2018 14: 46
    Quote: Underwater Hunter
    Japan is clearly impudent .. we must set the conditions! From the fact that they are at war with us, only they feel worse ..

    The transfer of these two islands would be a strategic mistake for Russia. The Sea of ​​Okhotsk will immediately cease to be the "internal" sea of ​​Russia. And Amer. submarines will be able to enter it using the territorial waters of these islands as cover.
    1. -6
      19 November 2018 15: 56
      Japan and Russia may sign an agreement on the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. There is a similar agreement on Azov with Ukraine.
      1. +6
        19 November 2018 16: 28
        Quote: Nick_R
        Japan and Russia may sign an agreement on the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. There is a similar agreement on Azov with Ukraine.

        Yeah, and now, we periodically hear that the Americans and the pack want to be present in the Sea of ​​Azov for "peace and stability"
        1. -1
          19 November 2018 17: 38
          What are you talking about? Can you imagine the destroyer entering the Sea of ​​Azov? Or do you think the Americans will specifically bring river-sea boats across the ocean?
          For your information, if Russia breaks the agreement with Ukraine on the special status of the Sea of ​​Azov, then it actually becomes the inland Russian sea, because the Kerch Strait entirely falls under our jurisdiction.
          1. +2
            19 November 2018 18: 43
            It doesn’t matter that he can or cannot come in! The precedent is important!
            A couple of years ago, there were no such Wishlist.
            This is me about the contract ..
            1. 0
              19 November 2018 23: 46
              Wishlist have not yet grown. And if it has grown, then we can shorten it.
              1. +1
                20 November 2018 00: 43
                Well, the hotel’s Wishlist is just a very prize-winning one)) it’s not just that the whole world is practically under the knee)
                And it's not easy to shorten, let's be realistic)
      2. 0
        20 November 2018 12: 31
        Quote: Nick_R
        Japan and Russia may sign agreement on the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk

        cannot, -Japan is not an independent subject of international relations
  6. +9
    19 November 2018 14: 54
    Let them first become the Far East-Iponon province of the Russian Federation, and only then let them fish in the waters of the islands and then for a float fishing rod with the number of hooks no more than two on the nose.
    1. -7
      19 November 2018 14: 59
      That would be cool for Russia! fellow
      The lag in electronics, chips, robotics, shipbuilding, automotive, plastics from the West will immediately disappear.
      1. +8
        19 November 2018 15: 22
        But is such a bride needed with a debt of 240% of GDP? In addition, everything goes to the next redistribution of world property. Therefore, the main task is not to grab someone else's, and not to profane (to put it mildly) your own.
        1. +2
          19 November 2018 15: 50
          Nyrobsky, well, if in the Russian Federation, then let them catch as much as they want.
          1. 0
            20 November 2018 01: 25
            Quote: Black Sniper
            let them catch as much as they want

            Like all Russian fishermen, only by quotas!
      2. Underwater hunter
        +5
        19 November 2018 15: 48
        Quote: voyaka uh
        That would be cool for Russia! fellow
        The lag in electronics, chips, robotics, shipbuilding, automotive, plastics from the West will immediately disappear.

        If so .. but even if the islands are surrendered, I’m more than sure that we won’t get any technology .. well, at least advanced ..
        1. 0
          20 November 2018 12: 34
          Quote: Underwater Hunter
          I’m more than sure that we won’t get any technology .. well, at least advanced ..

          in general, they grabbed technology during the collapse of the USSR, and still exploit them, like the Amyukis.
      3. +4
        19 November 2018 15: 56
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The lag in the electronics, chips, robotics will immediately disappear

        I doubt even ...
      4. +4
        19 November 2018 15: 58
        You are behind the times. Japan has long been no longer a leader in these industries.
        1. +1
          19 November 2018 17: 39
          I know. But what they have is enough for the eyes.
          1. 0
            20 November 2018 12: 37
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But what they have is enough for the eyes.

            only for replication ..... create, they did not create anything even on the basis of what they had
      5. +3
        19 November 2018 16: 32
        Quote: voyaka uh
        That would be cool for Russia! fellow
        The lag in electronics, chips, robotics, shipbuilding, automotive, plastics from the West will immediately disappear.

        good wassat
        Then, Israel has a chance to become one of the great nuclear and space powers))) Metal science again .. Wells ...)))
        1. 0
          19 November 2018 17: 44
          And Russia will have drones fellow AFARs, medicines, advanced medicine good
          Workers of all countries - unite!
          1. +4
            19 November 2018 21: 45
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Workers of all countries - unite!

            You have written incorrectly, it should sound like this from you:
            "Trolls of all sites unite"
      6. 0
        19 November 2018 21: 43
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The lag in electronics, chips, robotics, shipbuilding, automotive, plastics from the West will immediately disappear.

        Unless if in the civilian sphere.
      7. 0
        20 November 2018 03: 28
        Quote: voyaka uh
        automotive industry

        This is why they have our design Lada - Communized vectors?
      8. +2
        21 November 2018 12: 23
        Quote: voyaka uh
        That would be cool for Russia! fellow
        The lag in electronics, chips, robotics, shipbuilding, automotive, plastics from the West will immediately disappear.

        Of course, Israel is at the forefront in all of this: the most sophisticated Israeli electronics (a powerful shield knocks every fourth disc flying along a ballistic trajectory; smartphones, PCs, software), the whole world is killed against the wall. Israeli robots roam around Pluto and live among us violating all three laws of robotics, the largest tonnage is the Israeli fleet (nuclear submarines, submarines, aircraft carriers and even corvettes), and icebreakers bake like pies. The most sophisticated cars are made in Israel. Composites, plastics (?) In the most modern and effective weapons. And what a breakthrough in nuclear energy! The poor wretched rushka never reach ...
  7. +3
    19 November 2018 15: 00
    No need to dramatize, not one of the Kuril Islands will ever be transferred to Japan in any form.
    1. +2
      19 November 2018 15: 59
      Do you guarantee?
    2. +2
      20 November 2018 18: 22
      Since 2000, 80 thousand square meters have been transferred. kilometers of the sea area and shelf of Norway, a piece of Dagestan went to Azerbaijan, part of the Amur Islands, along with an Orthodox church, was received by China. And now, again "never"?
  8. -12
    19 November 2018 15: 03
    What a kindergarten. What is an occupied country? The occupation of Japan ended in 1952. Do not grind rubbish!

    The surrender act of 1945 of the year? Forgot? And nothing that 2018 on the nose? And it is right that they forgot. Weight categories have changed. Japan today is the third world economy, Russia 12 or 13. With much more resources and

    I, of course, do not urge to give anything - no, of course. But the nonsense is not necessary to write.

    At the time, Vissarionovich podmahnil Poles Belostok protrusion TRIPLE watered with Russian blood - and all were silent.
    1. +2
      19 November 2018 15: 47
      Quote: Axel
      Weight categories have changed.

      What has changed there? We are 12, they are 3, in your words, these are from two hundred world economies. This is considered approximately equal.
      Before and joke with them with the economies, if something happens, as it should become - "let us sink" this "unsinkable" American aircraft carrier. Small Japs compete with Russia in military affairs.
      PS. Give them Kunashiro Shikotan along with the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in addition. Yes, here the appendage weighs three orders of magnitude more than the islets themselves. In short, forest, forest, go to the un respectable descendants of respected samurai.
      1. +1
        19 November 2018 17: 59
        Japan can become a military nuclear power in 5-6 months. They have all the components of nuclear weapons ready - just not mounted together. There are also delivery vehicles - light space rockets.
        1. 0
          21 November 2018 12: 24
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Japan can become a military nuclear power in 5-6 months. They have all the components of nuclear weapons ready - just not mounted together. There are also delivery vehicles - light space rockets.

          And Japan also has a time machine ...
      2. -1
        19 November 2018 19: 59
        Quote: kit88
        This is considered approximately equal.

        they are approximately equal when they are approximately equal, and not when the RF GDP is three times lower.
        1. +1
          19 November 2018 21: 51
          Quote: Henderson
          they are approximately equal when they are approximately equal, and not when the RF GDP is three times lower.

          It’s good to compare the parameters of your choice. In terms of industrial production, Russia surpasses Japan.
          1. 0
            19 November 2018 23: 42
            At what level? In terms of technology, value added, volume, export, growth?
            1. +1
              20 November 2018 18: 57
              Quote: Henderson
              In terms of technology, value added, volume, export, growth?

              In terms of industrial production - which does not include intangible goods and services, for example, the inflated banking sector of Western countries. That is, Russia produces more real goods than Japan.
              1. 0
                21 November 2018 00: 54
                Quote: Setrac
                Russia produces more real goods than Japan.

                And of course you can voice the numbers?
                1. 0
                  21 November 2018 18: 09
                  Quote: Henderson
                  And of course you can voice the numbers?

                  And you just google
                  "list of countries by industrial production level"
                  nothing personal, I took it from open sources.
                  1. -1
                    22 November 2018 14: 29
                    I expected that you do not have real data and you just talk idle talk.
                    1. -1
                      22 November 2018 18: 23
                      Quote: Henderson
                      I expected that you do not have real data and you just talk idle talk.

                      Do you have no hands? Or maybe you were banned in Google? Speak up here you, justifying your laziness.
                      1. -1
                        22 November 2018 18: 34
                        Why should I post the numbers - feed the troll, you will require evidence and end up on the same sites, as if you immediately use Google.
                        In terms of industrial production:
                        1 China
                        2 USA
                        3 India
                        4 Russia
                        5 Japan.
                      2. -1
                        22 November 2018 21: 22
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Why should I post numbers

                        then it remains to conclude that you simply made up your statement.
                      3. -1
                        22 November 2018 22: 28
                        Quote: Henderson
                        then it remains to conclude that you simply made up your statement.

                        You can think what you want, who will forbid you to be mistaken?
    2. +7
      19 November 2018 16: 04
      Axel, look at Okinawa and the status of Japan will become clear.
      Economy. Have you forgotten to look at the debt of Japan? hi
      1. +6
        19 November 2018 16: 32
        Quote: Kasym
        Economy. Have you forgotten to look at the debt of Japan?

        laughing What for? The main thing is that it is 3, and by what means it is achieved it is not considered to be .. Yes(Today, Japan’s national debt was at the level of 250, 91% of GDP, here they are ahead of the whole world - the first !!! wassat )
        1. 0
          19 November 2018 17: 42
          Government debt is garbage if you are creditworthy.
          1. +2
            19 November 2018 21: 56
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Government debt is garbage if you are creditworthy.

            Let me remind you that Japan lives on credit, and does not give loans. They, like Americans, consume more than they produce. They have a negative trade balance.
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              1. +3
                20 November 2018 19: 01
                Quote: ipsidixi rider
                You will probably be knocked down by the realization that Japan invests 6 times more in other countries than it does in foreign investment.

                Investing is a debt that a country investor hangs on another country, bondage and there is nothing good for a country where they invest, there isn’t, they will return it multiple times. I’m talking about the trade balance, which Japan has to go nuts, which is negative.
                Quote: ipsidixi rider
                And about the Japanese public debt google does not hurt you, especially about the fact that it is held by Japanese citizens.

                And nobody told you about the public debt - these are your fantasies, it was about external debt.
                Quote: ipsidixi rider
                And that Japan itself needs other countries much more than Japan should.

                This is the very "investment", we call it corporate debt.
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                  1. 0
                    20 November 2018 21: 32
                    Quote: ipsidixi rider
                    "Fuck what negative" how many years in the last half century?

                    Such is the negative balance. The Japanese buy more than they sell, much more! Where does the loot come from? At whose expense is the banquet?
                    Quote: ipsidixi rider
                    So, really, it really doesn’t work to be a patriot of Russia and at the same time not to lie and not to juggle cheap like that?

                    But in order not to get personal - without this in any way?
                    Evil minus to you for this.
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                      1. +2
                        20 November 2018 22: 29
                        Quote: ipsidixi rider
                        So you lie because this is the nature of the Russian patriot?

                        You are lying here because this is the nature of the Western traitor.
                        Your link shows that the positive balance was only in 2017, and before that since 2011 it was very negative and also negative in 2018.
                        Quote: ipsidixi rider
                        Japan’s elite is national, so the previously earned money the Japanese invested around the world and cut interest.

                        The owner allows them to do this in their sales markets because everything in Japan, like Japan itself, belongs to the Americans.
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      2. +6
        19 November 2018 17: 07
        Dauren, hello! hi Hello and Victor Tersky ! hi
        I read what was going on about the next news about the Kuril Islands, I learned a lot of interesting things.
        Shinze with a lie has come
        Asks to believe him
        Mad crab in his groin!
        1. +6
          19 November 2018 17: 37
          Hello Pasha!
          Japanese while kobenitsya. I would suggest, on the spot of GDP, for example, the Koreans in the Kuril Islands to build a seafood processing plant (they ask for gas and railway communication). Then I’ll look at this Abe. hi
          1. +2
            19 November 2018 17: 40
            Quote: Kasym
            I would suggest instead of GDP, for example, the Koreans in the Kuril Islands to build a seafood processing plant

            A very interesting thought! Something in this is from Eastern wisdom and treachery. Yes
            1. +4
              19 November 2018 17: 51
              Oh, I am of this deceit ... The Chinese are interested in the Arctic and the Northern Sea Route. On the Kuril Islands there is a logistics center with all things to do (warehouses, container yards, etc.), a port with a rembase. To line up caravans there and forward with an icebreaker ... They buy out all the seafood of the Far East - well, let them ... right down to vacuum packing. Give them a quota in the economic zone under strict control ... To prohibit export of round timber - processing in the Kuril Islands ... Well, ... a lot of "deceit" can be thought up if you really want to. laughing
              1. +1
                19 November 2018 17: 57
                The Chinese are generally much interested in what. wink
                Quote: Kasym
                a lot of "deceit" you can think of if you really want to.

                As the song sang: "If you really want to, you can fly into space." Yes wink
            2. +2
              20 November 2018 01: 30
              Why do we need Korea? In Shikotan, these plants still remained from the USSR ...
              Upgrade slowly. My son came from there yesterday.
          2. -1
            19 November 2018 20: 01
            Quote: Kasym
            I would suggest instead of GDP, for example, the Koreans in the Kuril Islands to build a seafood processing plant

            I’d better suggest it, strategist
          3. 0
            19 November 2018 21: 57
            Quote: Kasym
            I would suggest instead of GDP, for example, the Koreans in the Kuril Islands to build a seafood processing plant

            If it were possible, ours would have been built without any foreigners there.
    3. +1
      19 November 2018 21: 50
      Quote: Axel
      Japan today is the third world economy

      China is the first economy
      USA is the second economy
      India is the third economy
      This is in terms of industrial production, how is Japan the third economy?
    4. +1
      20 November 2018 12: 42
      Quote: Axel
      At the time, Vissarionovich waved to the Poles the Bialystok ledge THREE WASTE poured with Russian blood

      he gave neighbors jointly stormed Berlin (the Polish army), and planned, in the future, joining the USSR
  9. +10
    19 November 2018 15: 03
    Actually, I don’t understand why we need this peace treaty? We have lived without him for so many years and will live as many more. Let the Japanese strain every time we have the exercises in the southern Kuril Islands request
    1. +2
      19 November 2018 16: 12
      The Kremlin is looking for investors to develop the Far East. If I were in the Kremlin's place, I would also suggest that the Chinese and Koreans "participate". Arrange a game of "catch-up" for the neighbors in the Kuril Islands. It would be interesting to look at this. All are overpopulated, and all are actively occupied with the bulk islands. Offer them some quotas for catching fish and seafood with processing on the islands. Well, etc .. hi
      1. -3
        19 November 2018 16: 27
        And investors are needed, since they themselves have plundered everything. Russia could have lived as well as Canada if this trash hadn’t gathered people and ruined industry.
        1. +1
          19 November 2018 17: 27
          So they are interested (neighbors). Well, you have to use this.
          They are buying seafood from you so that it does not reach the mainland. Well, let the processing be organized in the Kuriles. RF infrastructure, and they are enterprises. Do they need Transib and BAM for transit to Europe? Do you need energy carriers? ... In short, you need to bargain, and you will see what kind of "fight" they will arrange for such gingerbread.
          Imagine what will happen in Tokyo if Korean-Chinese with their enterprises appear in the Kuriles! Will they start scribbling notes to the Russian Foreign Ministry and throwing hysterics or will they rush to invest and negotiate? The first is irrational and useless to interfere with an international treaty, but they may hurry up with a peace treaty (otherwise there will be nothing to "master").
          1. +1
            20 November 2018 01: 33
            Workers from North Korea were brought to Shikotan for construction work. So the Japanese raised such a roar!
  10. +3
    19 November 2018 15: 03
    Yes, they will forget about the non-deployment of bases very soon, remember Gorbachev promised that NATO would not advance an inch to the east? Especially with whom to negotiate? With and accused state? They themselves are not masters, the more so.
    The PRESENCE OF DIALOGUE is very alarming, in an issue that should have been closed for a long time and never returned to this topic. There is, of course, the hope that ours "feed on promises" so that the Japs, feeding on hope, go somewhere to meet, but alas, yesterday Peskov already assured Solovyov of the need for a peace treaty, as it interferes with many positions in investments and technologies, and this is sad bell
    From 4:00 minutes
    https://youtu.be/sxmw5dd-pCU
    1. +3
      19 November 2018 16: 22
      Quote: Runoway
      Peskov already assured Solovyov of the need for a peace treaty

      Did they drive the multi-driver into a corner?
      1. 0
        20 November 2018 02: 21
        There is infa from a knowledgeable person, up there everything is already thought out. They will make everyone content as in 2012. The main thing now is not to bay. Everything is seized there, Crimea is recognized, oil will rise, the Japanese will not knock the local population hard. You just need to sit quietly.
  11. +3
    19 November 2018 15: 04
    Yapi have not yet answered us for Tsushima. am
    1. 0
      20 November 2018 01: 33
      And for Sergey Lazo!
  12. +12
    19 November 2018 15: 06
    The authorities should hear our voices that the transfer of at least one stone from the Kuril chain is a state crime.
    1. DPN
      +1
      19 November 2018 15: 41
      It has long been said: the decision of the government is politics, and the decision of a person is a crime. When they surrender Borders do not ask people.
      1. +3
        19 November 2018 17: 00
        Our government is not a government, but a bunch of people with low social responsibility, which is inherent in all power.
      2. -1
        19 November 2018 21: 17
        Quote: DPN
        It has long been said: the decision of the government is politics, and the decision of a person is a crime. When they surrender Borders do not ask people.

        Borders are being handed over and people are not being asked ... hmmm .. Are you talking about the Bolsheviks in 1917 and the distribution of the lands of the Russian Empire without asking people?
        1. 0
          19 November 2018 22: 46
          Quote: Benjamin Gnomes
          Are you talking about the Bolsheviks in 1917 and the distribution of the lands of the Russian Empire without asking people?

          Exactly. Compared to what the communists handed out, democrats are just small children.
    2. +4
      19 November 2018 16: 02
      Otherwise, Putin will be interested in falsified opinion.
      1. +1
        19 November 2018 17: 02
        We will be silent, so not only not interested, but brazenly ignored. He wrote, but it’s already censorship difficult to talk about these.
  13. +9
    19 November 2018 15: 21
    A counter offer is to give us about. Hokkaido, restore historical justice!
    Remind the Japs that the history of relations and territorial issues in the Kuril Islands is very long.
    1. +4
      19 November 2018 15: 57
      Directly removed from the tongue hi and why not really raise a question about Hokaido in response !!! am
      1. +1
        19 November 2018 20: 02
        because they laugh
  14. -1
    19 November 2018 15: 29
    There will be no peace treaty. At all. The question will be postponed until the next war.
  15. BAI
    +7
    19 November 2018 15: 37
    However, Japan continues to insist that Russia first hand over the Kuril Islands,

    Only Japan's greed - "All or nothing" saves Russia from the loss of the islands. In parts, 2 islands would have been pulled back long ago.
    1. +1
      19 November 2018 16: 04
      Only Japan's Greed Saves Russia from Lost Islands 

      The wisest comment. If Japan will be greedy and think for a long time (which is very likely, given their mentality), then in three years they will not receive anything at all
  16. DPN
    +5
    19 November 2018 15: 37
    The war was won by the USSR or the Soviet Union, much to our regret we drank this country, which the Japanese use. Only one way out is to send Japan to the Russian MEMBER or simply destroy HER, this question should be closed for ever while Russia is alive. It is necessary to respect your country, and just to crush the louse.
  17. +6
    19 November 2018 15: 49
    [quote] [Japan is clearly impudent .. we must set the conditions! / quote] Japoniya does not impudent but the USA impudent. About the conditions, yes Russia can if it is crazy.
    [Quote] [/ quote]
    In negotiations with Tokyo, it should be borne in mind that Japan is not a de facto independent state. Tens of thousands of foreign troops in Japanese territory is one example. This is actually an occupying force. [Quote] [/ quote]
    Jaaponia de facto occupied the state, the formation of Jaaponia on the matter of concession to the United States, then it means that there will soon be a base for the United States as it did with Rumuni for an example, etc.


    [Quote] [/ quote]

    The national debt of this country, according to the IMF from 2017, is at around 240% of GDP. This is a record among all countries of the world, and this, in principle, can explain the economic miracle that happened to Japan in the last century, and which we continue to amaze at. [quote] [/ quote]
    Kategorichki not saglasan sa autor stats!
    They are occupation and even what happens with the economy as a result !!! When in Japan beat the temples themselves economically growth beat enough 1 visit of the President of the United States and from the beginning they named the course and then artificially slowed the growth of Japan. (By the way, who controls the ruble exchange rate and where?;)) Japonie beat the rivets and the big ones. Do not forget that the United States from Japan took away ceramic coating technology for the engine behind the plane, which is now the General Electric and Prat and Whitney, and then they simply didn’t pay anything. ;)


    The way out is to help Jaaponiya that Bi has become an independent United States and will guarantee US protection, while China will also secure an independence guarantee code.


    For Russia, Japonia can economically and strategically beat the most important country itself, at a higher level than Germany. For China also. So real interest is eating, and I think the Yapontsev too?
    1. +1
      19 November 2018 16: 35
      Honestly, I didn't understand half. And send the Japs to the farm, let them sort out relations with China, especially since the Chinese are very fond of the Japs for genocide.
      1. 0
        19 November 2018 16: 43
        And mi Nemtsov, and now they are in the west and for Rossiu themselves important partner. I will repeat strategically and techno - economically the partner Japan is important!
        1. 0
          19 November 2018 16: 55
          The mentality of Asians and Europeans is different, especially Japan is a de facto Sasha colony. True and Deutsch, too. As they said before: We will protect the interests of the USSR in any corner of the globe. Unfortunately, now the USSR has been replaced by the USA (
        2. +2
          19 November 2018 16: 59
          And we have divorced important economic partners like dogs. And all the things. It is necessary to develop production at home, and not to look into the mouth of others.
          1. +1
            19 November 2018 17: 04
            [/ Quote]
            The mentality of Asians and Europeans is different, especially Japan de facto Sasha colony [quote]

            Saglasan in full. The mentality of the Russian Slavs has a share of Asiatic, a little but eats the same. This wealth of Russia is not a flaw.
          2. 0
            19 November 2018 17: 08
            Production can be developed only at the international level. This beat 1 od the big mistakes of the USSR, a lock in itself.
            1. +1
              19 November 2018 22: 01
              Quote: Wolf
              Production can be developed only at the international level. This beat 1 od the big mistakes of the USSR, a lock in itself.

              This was the main achievement of the USSR. The USSR did not know such a term - the outflow of capital to the west. Russia has enough to develop its own resources - it is necessary to stop the outflow of capital to the west - which Putin promised to do.
  18. +6
    19 November 2018 16: 08
    The fact that his "partners" do not remember history is clear. Once I read that in the Turkish naval academy there is a painting "Turkey's Victory over Russia in Sinop", but we must remember history
  19. +1
    19 November 2018 16: 20
    100 years later, gentlemen, the Japanese. In 100 years ...
  20. 0
    19 November 2018 16: 23
    As I understand it, ours seems to be friends with China, but with caution in the future. A system of checks and balances is built. And in general V. Putin seems to be bluffing. He will not give them anything. Investment and technology from japs, we are unlikely to wait. It’s more profitable to build bridges with Koreans, there will be more economic dividends.
  21. +6
    19 November 2018 16: 26
    Until Russia starts knocking on its "grinning teeth", so will every scabby dog ​​pick up on us.
    It’s time to already understand that in this world the Truth is only for a strong state, and if you indulge everyone, then it will work out, we will cease to reckon with us !!! am angry
    1. 0
      19 November 2018 16: 46
      Nada parsed with a tail or with a head?
  22. +4
    19 November 2018 16: 29
    Since there is no agreement (or agreement, terms of armistice, etc.) between the winner and the loser, then the initial state -NON-RESERVATION. And Japan must fulfill the surrender requirement. San Francisco Treaty? So they settled things with the other winner, but with us for nowunconditional surrender.
    Well, it is necessary to attract China (also because the participant. Suffered the most, the question of reparations, about three trillion bucks somewhere), it will cheer up, and they certainly will not have time for the islands.

    And yet, what is the benefit of a peace treaty for Russia? What will change?
    1. -1
      19 November 2018 16: 47
      Creates enemies or friends for the future, what’s the ray?
      1. +4
        19 November 2018 16: 55
        Such enemy friends are not necessary.
        And Russia’s best friends, known since tsarist times.
        1. 0
          19 November 2018 17: 25
          And Russia's best friends, known since tsarist times

          Please list .... hi
          1. 0
            19 November 2018 18: 27
            Army and Navy!
    2. -1
      19 November 2018 20: 00
      Japan's surrender was not unconditional, but on the terms of the Potsdam Declaration.
      The article is incorrectly written.
      1. 0
        19 November 2018 21: 50
        Japan Surrender Act
        September 2, 1945

        / Extract /

        1. We, acting on orders and on behalf of the emperor, the Japanese government and the Japanese imperial general headquarters, hereby we accept the terms of the Declaration published on July 26 in Potsdam the heads of government of the United States, China and Great Britain, to which the Soviet Union subsequently joined, which four powers will subsequently be called the Allied Powers.

        2. We hereby declare unconditional surrender the allied powers of the Japanese imperial general staff, all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under Japanese control, regardless of where they are located.

        3. We hereby order all Japanese troops, wherever they are, and the Japanese people to immediately cease hostilities, to preserve and prevent damage to all ships, aircraft and other military and civilian property, and to comply with all requirements that may be made by the supreme Commander of the Allied Powers or bodies of the Japanese government on his instructions.

        And the occupation of Japan by the United States according to the Potsdam Conference?

        Accepted earlier would not be UNCERTAINTY!
        1. -1
          20 November 2018 00: 33
          Yes, the occupation is according to the Potsdam Declaration, it was provided there.
          And unconditionally capitulates not Japan, but only the Japanese General Staff and the armed forces.
          Japan as a state capitulates on the terms of the Potsdam Declaration, you have it highlighted in the text.
          1. 0
            20 November 2018 09: 43
            Quote: Avior
            And unconditionally capitulates not Japan, but only the Japanese General Staff and the armed forces.

            I knew your answer, so catch

            Act of Military Surrender Germany

            1. We, the undersigned, acting on behalf of the German High Command, agree the unconditional surrender of all our armed forces on land, at sea and in the air, as well as all the forces currently under German command, - To the Supreme High Command of the Red Army and at the same time to the Supreme Command of the Allied Expeditionary Forces.

            2. The German High Command will immediately issue orders to all German commanders of the ground, naval and air forces and to all forces under the German command to cease hostilities at 23-01 hours CET on May 8, 1945, to remain in their places , where they are at this time and completely disarm, transferring all their weapons and military equipment to local allied commanders or officers assigned to representatives of the Allied High Command, do not destroy or cause any damage to ships, ships and aircraft, their engines, hulls and equipment, as well as machines, weapons, apparatus and all military-technical means of warfare in general.

            3. The German High Command will immediately allocate the appropriate commanders and ensure that all further orders issued by the Supreme High Command of the Red Army and the High Command of the Allied Expeditionary Force are followed.

            Well?
            1. -1
              20 November 2018 09: 56
              Of course, this is a purely military act, as you indicated.
              It was signed only by the military. The power in Germany passed to the Allies without any conditions and the Allies further decided what and how to do with Germany and had supreme power there, that is, the political surrender of Germany as a country was unconditional.
              And the Japanese signed a political act - in the person of a government representative and allies it was confirmed that power would remain in Japan, and the occupying forces would only ensure the fulfillment of the conditions of the Potsdam Declaration, which is noted in the act and the conditions of the declaration. Do you understand the difference?
              1. 0
                20 November 2018 10: 28
                Quote: Avior
                Do you understand the difference?


                The only stipulated is the immunity of the emperor. Further, complete occupation and unquestioning compliance with all the requirements of the occupation administration. As it was, ask MacArthur.
                After they initially rejected the declaration and were forced to surrender by force, all the rights of the winners.
                1. -1
                  20 November 2018 10: 35
                  I am tired of quoting the real act of surrender of Japan. browse through the branch, everything is clearly and unambiguously written there. In contrast to the case with Germany and Japan, the political conditions for surrender were agreed. Japanese power remained, which was not close in the case of Germany.
                  If there were any violations on the part of the Americans, well, nothing is perfect.
                  In general, the conditions were met by both the Japanese and the Americans as stipulated in the act of surrender.
                  1. 0
                    20 November 2018 11: 04
                    7. Until such a new order is established, and until there is convincing evidence that Japan’s ability to wage war is destroyed, points in Japanese territory towhich will be indicated by the allies, will be occupied in order to ensure the implementation of the basic goals that we set out here.

                    And all of Japan was occupied.

                    The terms of the Cairo Declaration will be fulfilled and Japanese sovereignty will be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and those smaller islands, which we will indicate.

                    Since the act of unconditional surrender was signed before the USSR, as for the territories -we will indicate.

                    11.Japan will be allowed to have an industry that will support its economy and exact fair reparations in kind, but not the industries that would allow her to arm herself again for war. For these purposes, access to raw materials will be allowed, as opposed to control over them. Ultimately, Japan will be allowed to participate in world trade relations.

                    12. The occupying forces of the allies will be withdrawn from Japan, once these goals are achieved and as soon as a peaceful and responsible government is established in accordance with the freely expressed will of the Japanese people


                    The USSR (Russia) which did not subsequently sign a single document (the Japanese themselves rejected Khrushchov’s declaration) have the right to occupation for now]once these goals are achieved
                    ] but not the industries that will allow it to arm again for war [/ b].

                    The issue has not been settled before, which means we have the right to demand compliance with the Potsdam Declaration even now (and Japan has been violating them for a long time). Dot.
                    1. -1
                      21 November 2018 09: 25
                      The troops were at certain points.
                      Since the act of unconditional surrender was signed before the USSR, we will indicate about the territories.

                      At the beginning of the Potsdam Declaration, these "we" are clearly indicated - the USSR is not there, it agreed with the specified document later, and essno, by definition, could not enter the "we" list.
                      The USSR (Russia) did not subsequently sign a single document (the Japanese themselves rejected Khrushchov’s declaration)

                      This is not true; the 1956 Declaration was ratified both in Japan and the USSR in full compliance with international law.
                      The occupation of Japan ended after the entry into force of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, it is specifically stipulated in it, that is, in 1952.
                      Something like that.
                      1. 0
                        21 November 2018 18: 13
                        Quote: Avior
                        The occupation of Japan ended after the entry into force of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, it is specifically stipulated in it, that is, in 1952.
                        Something like that.

                        Tell this to the American military in Japan, otherwise they are not in the know. The American group in Japan is stronger than its own Japanese army.
                      2. -1
                        21 November 2018 18: 43
                        So what? Now these are allies, quite real, by the way, against China, for example
                      3. 0
                        21 November 2018 21: 46
                        Quote: Avior
                        So what? these are now allies

                        And here you did not guess. Japan is subordinate to the United States, it doesn’t smell like a union here. If Japan were at least a little free, then it would buy oil, gas and other resources from Russia, and not beg for the islands, which it does not need, but the Americans need.
                      4. -1
                        21 November 2018 22: 02
                        I do not guess, I know.
                      5. 0
                        21 November 2018 22: 18
                        Quote: Avior
                        I do not guess, I know.

                        However, the whole world knows something completely different.
                        Yeah, everyone is not keeping up, one aviator is keeping up.
      2. 0
        19 November 2018 22: 05
        Quote: Avior
        Japan's surrender was not unconditional, but on the terms of the Potsdam Declaration.
        The article is incorrectly written.

        The condition for surrender was the only one - the inviolability of the emperor, no islands are mentioned there.
  23. +5
    19 November 2018 16: 32
    Already spoken out, but still. Someone will explain how it turned out that the country is the Winner, someone puts forward some conditions? Maybe I missed something?
    1. -1
      19 November 2018 19: 59
      I will explain to you if you want.
      Japan capitulated not unconditionally, like Germany, but on certain conditions set forth in the Cairo and Potsdam declarations — this is exactly what the Allies, including the USSR, demanded of it.
      And formally, under these conditions, not only these four islands, but all the Kuril Islands should remain Japanese.
      Because of this, the fuss is coming.
  24. +3
    19 November 2018 17: 00
    In Japan, the population is 128 mil. person. And if they are subordinate to the Americans, then let America provide them with their territories.
  25. +3
    19 November 2018 17: 18
    Abe, you, first kick the Americans out of Okinawa, and only then we’ll talk about Japan’s entry into Russia.
    The Japanese, if you want to have islands - join Russia as a republic, such as Crimea, Chechnya or Tatarstan, then all questions will disappear by themselves, and then we will be able to locate our bases there, throwing the US base out of our territory. To be friends, so to be friends, why dwell on half measures!
  26. 0
    19 November 2018 17: 29
    They stole everything, it remains only to bargain on the islands.

    With such people it can work out, talk shows will tell you how wise it is, how we again went around with our islands.
  27. +2
    19 November 2018 17: 42
    The Kwantung Army and all their underground fortified areas were gouged in a couple of months .. Lord Japanese, but you are not insolent! In fact, we should divide the sex of Japan with the USA into occupation zones ..
    When the Germans stormed Moscow, we in the Far East held full-fledged divisions well-equipped, holding back your samurai. You still owe us a lot of compensation!
    How many of our militias have died from universities and other intesions while actually defending Moscow with their bodies? Their blood is on your conscience ..
    Then they drove up the Far Eastern divisions and threw them back from Moscow, when they became sure that your gut was weak. soldier
    You have to give Hokaydo Island to us, with all the Japanese and Americans! (joke, but ..))))
  28. +1
    19 November 2018 18: 10
    Ancestors, Rulers of Russia of former times, the power was collected, its power was strengthened!
    These, which squander the country, are no longer the descendants of glorious ancestors! Some sort of shale.
  29. +1
    19 November 2018 18: 29
    Microscopic (on the territory), a country that has lost the war, is under acupation, has supported anti-Russian sanctions a step away from fulfilling its requirements ??? wassat
    1. 0
      20 November 2018 10: 15
      On the territory of Japan more than a united Germany and small Britain
  30. +1
    19 November 2018 19: 02
    "the Japanese authorities state unequivocally that the peace treaty as such is fundamentally not interesting to them "...

    All these dances with tambourines are strange to me ...
    For 73 years, we lived with Japan without a peace treaty ... And somehow we had a trade and economic co-existence ... Although, it seems to me, Japan had more benefit from these relations with the USSR-Russia, pulled out ...
    Conditions ? Are these the ones that dictate the United States? But Japan does not remember that Hokkaido, in fact, could move to the USSR?
    It is a pity that this did not happen ...
  31. 0
    19 November 2018 19: 06
    Yes, please, only two islands in exchange for our base in Okinawa instead of striped.
  32. +1
    19 November 2018 19: 35
    "The national debt of this country, according to the IMF from 2017, is at around 240% of GDP. This is a record among all countries in the world, and this, in principle, can explain the economic miracle that happened to Japan in the last century, and which we continue be surprised." laughing laughing laughing and we would just have everything stolen laughing laughing laughing without any economic miracle laughing laughing laughing
  33. -3
    19 November 2018 19: 55
    The author did not know what he was writing about.
    no
    Japan signed the Act of Unconditional Surrender.

    there was not and could not be. Japan, unlike Germany, capitulated not unconditionally, but on the terms of the Potsdam Declaration (and the Cairo Declaration as its important part), as the Allies demanded.
    Unconditionally capitulated only the Japanese General Staff and the armed forces, but not Japan, as a state.
    1. +2
      19 November 2018 22: 10
      Quote: Avior
      Unconditionally capitulated only the Japanese General Staff and the armed forces, but not Japan, as a state.

      Yeah, the head capitulated, and the aft part put forward the conditions - "nothing should be thrust into me."
      Only one condition was stipulated in the surrender - the inviolability of the emperor. And no matter what the capitulation was, that main word is “surrender”, not “unconditional”.
      1. -2
        19 November 2018 22: 34
        this is not true.
        Potsdam Declaration of Surrender
        1. We, acting on orders and on behalf of the emperor, the Japanese government, and the Japanese imperial general staff, hereby accept the terms of the Declaration, published on July 26 in Potsdam by the heads of government of the United States, China and Great Britain, to which the Soviet Union subsequently joined .....

        6. We hereby pledge that the Japanese Government and its successors will honestly comply with the terms of the Potsdam Declaration ....,

        Potsdam Declaration with the terms proposed by the Japan Allies for surrender.
        We, the President of the United States, the President of the National Government of the Republic of China and the Prime Minister of Great Britain, .... agreed that Japan should be given the opportunity to end this war.
        ...
        Following are our terms and conditions. We will not step back from them. ....
        Forever should be eliminated the power and influence of those who deceived and misled the people of Japan, forcing him to follow the path of world conquest ....
        The terms of the Cairo Declaration will be fulfilled and Japanese sovereignty will be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku and the smaller islands that we indicate.

        The key provision of the Cairo Declaration with the principles of resolving territorial issues with Japan.
        .... The three great allied powers are waging a real war with the aim of suppressing aggression by Japan and punishing the aggressor, while not seeking to get any benefits for themselves and not having the slightest intention to expand their territories.

        The goal of the aforementioned allied powers is to deprive Japan of all the islands in the Pacific Ocean that it has occupied or occupied since the beginning of the First World War of 1914, and that all territories that Japan has torn away from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa and the Pescador Islands were returned to the Republic of China.

        Japan must also be expelled from all other territories captured by it due to violence and greed ....

        Please note that Japan’s allies are guaranteed the implementation of the Cairo Declaration, and it says that Japan will lose those lands that it has seized by force and the parties will not seek for themselves benefits and expand their territories.
        The whole cheese is that four islands, because of which everything stretches, and the Kuril Islands as a whole, do not fit the terms of the Cairo Declaration, the Japanese received them peacefully. In 1945, the Americans didn’t give a damn about it, they were angry with the Japanese, and the USSR was an ally, therefore the Kuriles were included in the San Francisco Peace Treaty contrary to the conditions of surrender, the USSR did not sign the treaty, and then the situation changed and the Americans ratified the Treaty with a reservation
        It is envisaged that the terms of the Treaty will not mean recognition for the USSR of any rights or claims to territories belonging to Japan on December 7 of 1941 that would be detrimental to the rights and rights of Japan to these territories, nor will any however, the provisions in favor of the USSR in relation to Japan are contained in the Yalta Agreement.

        So the complicated business has been going on since then, to which the confusion after the war was added. Something like this.
        1. +1
          19 November 2018 22: 43
          Quote: Avior
          Potsdam Declaration of Surrender

          Quote: Avior
          Potsdam Declaration with the terms proposed by the Japan Allies for surrender.

          However, Japan refused to surrender under the terms of the Potsdam Declaration. Why are you trying to link them if the Japanese themselves have refused?
          On September 2, 1945, Japan signed precisely the unconditional surrender, everything else - by the cash register.
          1. -2
            19 November 2018 23: 09
            in the same place it is written in black in Russian above that Japan accepted the conditions of the Potsdam Declaration - in the act of surrender, which Japan signed.
            ... accept the terms of the Declaration published on July 26 in Potsdam by the heads of government ... will honestly comply with the terms of the Potsdam Declaration ....

            The matter is even more confusing because the USSR itself, when preparing the peace treaty in 1945, also stipulated in writing, among other things, that the Treaty should be drawn up on the terms of the Cairo Declaration.
            1. +1
              19 November 2018 23: 20
              Quote: Avior
              in the same place it is written in black in Russian above that Japan accepted the conditions of the Potsdam Declaration - in the act of surrender, which Japan signed.

              There a lot of things were written in the act of UN negotiation surrender.
              Quote: Avior
              The contract should be drawn up on the terms of the Cairo Declaration.

              An agreement that has not been concluded, what a difference!
              1. -2
                19 November 2018 23: 30
                and you write again that the surrender was unconditional, maybe you yourself believe ....
                The contract was drawn up, but the USSR did not sign it, he wanted more.
                1. +1
                  20 November 2018 18: 55
                  Quote: Avior
                  and you write again that the surrender was unconditional, maybe you yourself believe ....

                  And I do not need to write anything, it is the Japanese who signed unconditional surrender.
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                  2. -1
                    21 November 2018 09: 13
                    I respect your religious views, even if they do not correspond to reality hi
                    1. 0
                      21 November 2018 18: 07
                      Quote: Avior
                      I respect your religious views, even if they do not correspond to reality

                      This is some kind of parallel reality for you. In fact, I do not care what the surrender was, but during a dialogue with you I decided to clarify this issue and in all sources, "theirs" and "ours", the surrender of militaristic Japan is called unconditional.
                      So you clarify your religious views there, they are original, they do not correspond to reality.
                      1. -1
                        21 November 2018 22: 18
                        I prefer to live my own mind and watch the primary sources.
                        Well, if you are so dependent on the opinions of others, then here you are, study
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Акт_о_капитуляции_Японии
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Акт_о_капитуляции_Германии
                        see the difference in the signatures of copies of acts of surrender?
                        "Act of surrender of Japan" - "Act of unconditional surrender of the German armed forces"

                        Move on. And here they have
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Instrument_of_Surrender
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender

                        "The Japanese (left) and Allied (right) copies of the Instrument of Surrender" - compare with "The first instrument of unconditional surrender signed at Reims on 7 May 1945."
                        What is "unconditional" you know?
                        Good luck ... hi
                      2. 0
                        21 November 2018 22: 22
                        Quote: Avior
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Акт_о_капитуляции_Японии
                        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Акт_о_капитуляции_Германии

                        Refer to Wikipedia - Moveton. You just went in and corrected the information you need. Stop lying.
                      3. -1
                        21 November 2018 22: 32
                        sheer stupidity on your part.
                        there’s a history of edits if you don’t know. with dates, hours and minutes.
                        I see no reason to discuss something in the complete absence of evidence on your part.
                        By the way, are you aware that the act of surrender imposes obligations not only on the losers, but on both sides?
                        read article 35 of the Convention on the Laws and Customs of the Land War of 1906.
                        success hi
                      4. 0
                        21 November 2018 22: 42
                        Quote: Avior
                        sheer stupidity on your part.
                        there’s a history of edits if you don’t know. with dates, hours and minutes.
                        I see no reason to discuss something in the complete absence of evidence on your part.

                        Sheer stupidity on your part! We are not discussing the details, the only question is whether the surrender was unconditional or not.
                        Here is the literal text:

                        We, acting on orders and on behalf of the Emperor, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Staff, hereby accept the terms of the Declaration, published on July 26 in Potsdam by the Heads of Government of the United States, China and Great Britain, to which the USSR subsequently joined, which the four powers will subsequently be called Allied Powers.
                        We hereby declare unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Staff, all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under Japanese control, regardless of where they are located.

                        The surrender was unconditional, but what kind of buns the Americans dragged to their future vassals is another question, but these are not the conditions of Japan, these are the conditions of the United States.
                      5. -1
                        21 November 2018 22: 49
                        This has already been discussed. Conditions were stipulated there, so it was not unconditional.
                        You accused me of lying and juggling.
                        Until you provide evidence of your statement in the form of links to the history of revisions or apologize, I do not see much point in the discussion
                        hi
                      6. 0
                        21 November 2018 23: 07
                        Quote: Avior
                        This has already been discussed. Conditions were stipulated there, so it was not unconditional.

                        It was unconditional because all parties called it unconditional, including the Japanese, everything else is your invention. I gave you the text of the act of surrender.
                        Listen, maybe you're just non-Russian and don't understand Russian? What is in the word "unconditional surrender" you don't understand?
                        Quote: Setrac
                        We hereby declare unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of Japan

                        literal text - if you do not understand the first time.
                        Here there is one such stubborn person like you, he tried to call the cylinder either a circle or a square, probably the religion did not allow him to pronounce the word cylinder. So you - apparently the word "unconditional" violates your inner nirvana?
                        Quote: Avior
                        You accused me of lying and juggling.

                        Well, maybe you’re not lying, but simply delusional, but I don’t want to think that I’m wasting my time on such a "gifted" person.
                      7. -1
                        21 November 2018 23: 46
                        we didn’t switch to you, and I do not feel such a desire.
                        I find your behavior offensive and if you wish to continue, I am waiting for an apology.
                        I have never seen you any serious evidence of the unconditional surrender of Japan, and not the Japanese armed forces, which is not the same thing.
                        On the contrary, all serious sources emphasize that Japan as a whole capitulated on certain conditions stipulated in the Potsdam Declaration and the word is unconditionally used only in relation to the Japanese army, and to me the document as a whole.
                        in general, the title "Act of Japan's Unconditional Surrender" is not used anywhere in serious sources.
                        That's how they saw it in the USSR.
                        The signing of the surrender of Japan
                        TOKYO, September 2. (TASS). Today at 10 o'clock. 30 minutes. Tokyo time on board the American battleship Missouri, located in the waters of Tokyo Bay, the signing of the act of surrender of Japan took place.
                        At the beginning of the signing ceremony, General MacArthur made a statement, which reads: “I declare my determination, in accordance with the tradition of the countries I represent, to exercise fairness and tolerance in the performance of my duties, while taking all necessary measures to ensure full, swift and precise fulfillment of the terms of surrender We have gathered here as representatives of the major warring powers in order to conclude a solemn agreement through which peace can be restored.Problems associated with different ideals and ideologies have been resolved on the battlefields of the whole world, and therefore they are not subject to discussion or debate. "
                        Then General MacArthur invited the Japanese representatives to sign an act of surrender.
                        The Japan Surrender Act states: ....

                        http://www.oldgazette.ru/izvestie/04091945/text4.html
                        There is no "Act of Japan's unconditional surrender" and there is no close
                        And here is how it is stipulated in "their" official sources
                        ...the Japanese representatives signed the official Instrument of Surrender

                        https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured-documents/japanese-surrender-document
                        Compare with what Truman said about Germany.
                        The Allied armies, through sacrifice and devotion and with God's help, have wrung from Germany a final and unconditional surrender.

                        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/gs8.asp
                        this is where the "unconditional surrender" appears in relation to the entire document.
                        I see no reason to argue further. Waiting for an apology.
                      8. 0
                        22 November 2018 18: 30
                        Quote: Avior
                        we didn’t switch to you, and I do not feel such a desire.
                        I find your behavior offensive and if you wish to continue, I am waiting for an apology.

                        Oxtis buddy, addressing "YOU" is not an insult and is not prohibited by the rules of the site.
                        We are so persistently discussing such a meaningless topic that you are now almost like a brother to me, so we will move on to "YOU".
                        Quote: Avior
                        Then General MacArthur invited the Japanese representatives to sign a surrender.
                        The Japan Surrender Act states: ....

                        Quote: Setrac
                        We hereby declare unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Staff, all Japanese armed forces and all armed forces under Japanese control, regardless of where they are located.

                        It is in the act that the surrender is unconditional, that there later it pushed the macarthur - but who cares?
  34. 0
    19 November 2018 20: 00
    They, the Japanese, should be reminded of the Latin proverb: "Vae victis" as a preamble to the negotiations.
  35. 0
    19 November 2018 21: 53
    Quote: mavrus
    What else can they offer in return to be of any interest? Nothing? So what is the point for us to voice this issue in our media?

    So as not to take place in secret.
  36. 0
    19 November 2018 22: 45
    It's time to demand reparations from Japan
    1. -1
      20 November 2018 10: 30
      But are they provided for by the Potsdam Declaration? then it's time ...
  37. 0
    19 November 2018 22: 47
    In Japan, they began to forget about the constitution, which prohibits the conduct of offensive actions.
    The United States is playing its own combination, presenting Putin with a "fateful" choice between Japan and China. It's an interesting and promising choice between bad and bad. Hopes for technological assistance from the Japanese are fading away, and financial injections from the Chinese should be forgotten. The situation is worse than the governor's, although it is not easy for everyone. But such is the Selyavi.
    Let me remind the author that the act of unconditional surrender is an act of unconditional surrender of Japan to General MacArthur. The Yankees threw Stalin, who actually executed the UN Security Council resolution as part of the coalition, ensured the defeat of the XNUMX million Kwantung army. The Japanese believe that the emperor is a deity, and the USSR treacherously attacked Japan (and highlilikli, dropped atomic bombs on peaceful cities), and the Americans defended the Japanese.
    In connection with what is happening, the question is: who should you be in order to participate in the destruction of such a state as the USSR? The most realistic option is to get out of this situation: to lure aliens who will destroy the situevina to everyone’s satisfaction.
    1. -2
      19 November 2018 23: 18
      And what kind of offensive is Japan?
      And why did you so humiliate Lieutenant General Kuzma Derevyanko, who accepted the surrender of Japan along with MacArthur?

      Do you see the guy on the chair? They are...
      And here is his signature on the Japan Surrender Act
  38. 0
    19 November 2018 23: 25
    Quote: Underwater Hunter
    There is no peace treaty with us .. it means still at war

    Are we also at war with Germany? There is no peace treaty with them either. Yes, some kind of horror, it was only the Wehrmacht that capitulated ... and Germany, as it was the 3 m Reich, still walks around?
    With such tricks of history you can go far. That way with Genghis Khan, too, after all byad - there was no peace treaty? And Napoleon did not sign a peace treaty.
    Where are we going? Give everyone peace treaties ... for Russian land.
    Poor god Peskov snakes like a snake ...
    1. -2
      19 November 2018 23: 37
      no, an agreement was not needed with Germany, they signed an unconditional surrender, unlike the Japanese, so all questions of ending there were resolved without them, at the Potsdam Conference.
      Moreover, there was no one to sign it with; the power in Germany passed to the occupation command.
  39. 0
    20 November 2018 00: 08
    We must directly and openly ask if they consider Japan to be at war with Russia? And let them answer right there, without any "think" and "consult with senior comrades." Let it not be forgotten - there is also China nearby, and both Koreas are also not great admirers of Japan.
    1. -2
      20 November 2018 00: 39
      do not count and cannot count. This was stipulated in the 1956 Declaration.
      Article 1
      The state of war between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan ceases from the day this Declaration enters into force, and peace and good neighborly relations are restored between them.

      Article 2
      Between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan, diplomatic and consular relations are being restored. At the same time, it is understood that both states will immediately exchange diplomatic representatives in the rank of Ambassador, and the establishment of consulates in the USSR and Japan, respectively, will be resolved diplomatically.

      nevertheless, the absence of a state of war does not mean the conclusion of a peace treaty. in the same place
      Article 9
      The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan agreed to continue negotiations on the conclusion of a Peace Treaty after the restoration of normal diplomatic relations between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan.

      At the same time, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, meeting the wishes of Japan and taking into account the interests of the Japanese state, agrees to the transfer of the Habomai Islands and Sikotan Islands to Japan with the fact that the actual transfer of these islands to Japan will be made after the conclusion of the Peace Treaty between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan .

      From December 12, 1956, Japan and the USSR were no longer at war.
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    1. -2
      20 November 2018 10: 09
      and one Russian party put forward claims to India, because there is nowhere else to wash the boots, except in the Indian Ocean. wink
  42. -1
    20 November 2018 02: 25
    According to the IMF from 2017, the state debt of this country is at around 240% of GDP. This is a record among all countries of the world, and this, in principle, can explain the economic miracle that happened with Japan in the last century


    But the Japanese state owes to the Japanese. Approximately 91% of Japanese government debt holders are Japanese citizens.

    It turned out that way, huh? Instead of bringing tens of billions of dollars to the West every year.

    At the same time, Japan is one of the main investing countries in the world and is buying up everything that is bad in the third world countries. See the Japanese net international investment position (NIIP), it is stable in the black.
  43. 0
    20 November 2018 04: 11
    They will not agree to a peace treaty, the regional committee will crush them, because they will have to remove all military bases. They will insolently "shake" the situation - our islands and that's it. For us, this is the only area for saury fishing.
    1. 0
      20 November 2018 04: 24
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Will in a brazen "shake" the situation - our islands and that's it.

      And they can do it. In the 60s, the Japanese laughed at our fishermen, listening to such talks "No fish, just cod!" laughing Then they started to count cod for fish. In the seventies, my father walked along the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, so it came to shootings. From rocket launchers.
  44. -1
    20 November 2018 08: 21
    They never smoked to see !!!
  45. 0
    20 November 2018 10: 18
    The Japanese have no reason to demand an island. In 1905, they themselves violated the agreement with Russia and grabbed half of Sakhalin. The USSR returned its and the Kuril Islands to boot. What Japan allowed itself, Russia also allowed itself. The transfer of the islands is treason. Traitors - death!
  46. 0
    20 November 2018 12: 43
    Quote: hert
    At one time, Vissarionovich waved the Bialystok ledge to the Poles

    and who knows the plans of the great leader ....
  47. +1
    20 November 2018 13: 50
    Quote: mavrus
    The meaning of today's attempt to probe the opinion of the transfer of the Kuril Islands is not clear. We have something to do with this? Peace treaty?

    There is no probing. A reference to the 56th treaty is Japan's ornate Asian-style reminder that it is not in the position and condition to demand or insist on anything.
  48. 0
    20 November 2018 16: 52
    Remove the "awl from the fifth point, remotely - controlled from behind the hill" and remove from your territory all foreign troops and military bases, then there will be something to talk about. Be "sovereign".
  49. +2
    20 November 2018 16: 58
    First, give them two Kuril Islands, then the entire Kuril ridge, then they will remember "Polusakhalin" acquired by excessive labor and the revival of the "Empire Karafuto" plan from Chukotka to the Urals. Stop being gullible. Japan has never felt sympathy for Russia. Samurai at home are friendly and smiling, and in a foreign country (preferably akkupirovanny), behave in such a way that the Gestapo is the younger group of the kindergarten.
  50. Cry
    -1
    20 November 2018 18: 42
    The key to Japanese forgetfulness is that after two atomic bombs dropped by the Americans on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, genetic mutations in the brain gyrus followed, so any modern Japanese thinks that the atomic bombs were dropped on them not by the Americans, but by the Russians.
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  51. 0
    20 November 2018 21: 57
    Why do we need a peace treaty with Japan? Let's take a couple more islands from them, while the war is on - they will sign capitulation again and forget about the Kuril Islands!
  52. 0
    20 November 2018 23: 04
    “Where the Russian flag has once been raised, it should not be lowered,” - where it was nevertheless lowered, there it should be raised again...
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  53. 0
    21 November 2018 07: 20
    Nothing is eternal under the Moon.
  54. 0
    21 November 2018 08: 16
    No, she died like that, she died, the yellow-bellied ones rolled out their lips! hi
  55. 0
    21 November 2018 11: 55
    ...that Japan is not de facto an independent state. Tens of thousands of foreign military personnel on Japanese territory is one example. These are actually occupying forces

    Exclusively in the imagination of the author of the article. He really wants it to be like this
  56. +1
    21 November 2018 13: 53
    But the Japs wouldn't go to hell! But it would be high time for Russia to put the economy in those lands in order. And you don’t need to invite anyone for this. It is better to invest the money that the Americans give to the Americans for “securities” into their own economy. Guess your people are not stupid.
  57. +1
    21 November 2018 14: 10
    When taking office, our presidents need to get a tattoo saying “I don’t trade my homeland.”
    Preferably on the forehead.
    Well, or on the hand with which he writes. So that you read it yourself before you sign anything.
  58. +1
    21 November 2018 19: 18
    Quote: Gardamir
    We will not surrender the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to them
    It is commendable, but not you decide, but everything has already been decided there. The islands have already been surrendered, they are only thinking how to say to the daragim to the beasts.

    Where does this evil spirit come from?