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Malaysia again complained about the Russian Su-30MKM

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Malaysia wants to help Russia repair and maintain the Su-30MKM fighter jets, which are in service with the country's air force, said Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad during a bilateral meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the ASEAN 33 Summit, reports Free Malaysia Today.


Malaysia again complained about the Russian Su-30MKM


The Malaysian Prime Minister told the Russian president that Malaysia had bought “several Russian planes,” but he doesn’t know how to maintain them and asked for help from Russia in repairing them. Details of further negotiations are not disclosed, as the press did not participate in the further process.

Earlier, the commander of the Malaysian Air Force, General Dato Affendee Bin Buang, said that the problem of the combat readiness of Russian fighters is aggravated by the need for mandatory technical inspection of X-NUMX units of Su-12-BM after a ten-year period of operation. According to him, the Russian side did not disclose all the details of the contract, namely that after years of 30 years, work will be needed that only Russian specialists have the right to perform. Sending the defective Su-10MKM to Russia in Malaysia is considered expensive, and the timing of the technical examination of the aircraft is also not satisfactory.

Currently, the Malaysian Air Force is armed with fourth-generation X-NUMX fighters Su-28MKM (multipurpose, commercial, Malaysian), of which only four can take to the air.
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  1. Loess
    Loess 16 November 2018 15: 17
    +31
    According to him, the Russian side did not disclose all the details of the contract.

    Did the Malaysians forget to read the contract before the conclusion?
    1. yustas
      yustas 16 November 2018 15: 20
      +11
      There a lot of beech, my head got sick, so I didn’t read it to the end hi
      1. Machito
        Machito 16 November 2018 15: 30
        +8
        An expensive toy requires maintenance.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 16 November 2018 15: 48
          +9
          That's what the Malays decided to save on. We thought - we’ll buy it and it will fly forever.
        2. venik
          venik 16 November 2018 18: 39
          0
          Quote: Bearded
          An expensive toy requires maintenance.

          ========
          And then, naive, they thought: "I bought it once - EVERYTHING !! No maintenance ... fool
          "Wild country! Wild people!" wassat
          1. kasatky
            kasatky 16 November 2018 23: 29
            +3
            Quote: venik
            "I bought it once - EVERYTHING !! No maintenance ...

            Western partners have well taught the whole world that half of the profit in maintenance and spare parts is hidden. And the Malaysians make themselves Malvina with blue eyes. Pay and fly. Nefig here clap eyes and complain to the president!
        3. Alex DHG
          Alex DHG 16 November 2018 23: 19
          +11
          And in the photo for the article like Migi drawn?
          1. tomket
            tomket 17 November 2018 00: 49
            +5
            Quote: Alex DHG
            And in the photo for the article like Migi drawn?

            Oh, these girls are designers at VO ...
            1. Angina
              Angina 18 November 2018 14: 26
              -2
              Firstly, what you have done is called "public insult of the person," if you wish, you can bring it to the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Even with all your technical expertise, it doesn't excuse you.

              Secondly, VO is not a combat leaflet of a unit, but the media, where the writing people - journalists - are mainly people with a humanitarian education. You use the results of their work, right? And everyone can be wrong. To fix the error, you can delicately inform the site administrator.
          2. 76rtbr
            76rtbr 17 November 2018 06: 35
            0
            puppet !!! I heard about the focal length ???
      2. Herald of the Revolution
        Herald of the Revolution 16 November 2018 15: 35
        +13
        In fact, you shouldn't be laughing here, this is a serious problem. With such an attitude towards consumers, Russia itself, without the help of sanctions and threats from the United States, risks losing the market. And then we wonder why everyone is lining up for a "raw" "fu" 35, and from Russian planes more and more often they begin to lubricate their heels with fat.
        1. Horon
          Horon 16 November 2018 16: 03
          +41
          And what, F -35 TO is not required? Any equipment requires maintenance to confirm and extend its technical suitability for future use! Such statements smack of either unprofessionalism or lobbying of outside interests.
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        3. Dzungar
          Dzungar 16 November 2018 16: 22
          +3
          Tell me who and when now lined up for the FU-35 in line ...? I know about this, but it was before the creation of this aircraft, with the pomp of advertised, but not yet created. And no one knew about all these problems with him now ...
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 17 November 2018 16: 38
            0
            Countries operating the F-35 Lightning II.

            Flag of the United States.svg USA - 122 F-35A, 60 F-35B, 28 F-35C as of 2018.
            Flag of the United Kingdom.svg United Kingdom - 15 F-35Bs as of 2018; a total of 138 fighters are planned.
            Flag of Belgium (civil) .svg Belgium - It is planned to receive 34 F-35A as of 2018. The signing of the contract is planned for 2019.
            Flag of Israel.svg Israel - 12 F-35I as of June 2018, a total of 50 aircraft have been ordered. In total, it is planned to purchase 75 F-35I.
            Flag of Australia.svg Australia - 10 F-35A as of 2018, another 62 aircraft ordered. In total, it is planned to purchase 100 units of F-35A.
            Flag of the Netherlands.svg Netherlands - 2 F-35A as of 2018, eight more aircraft ordered. In total, it is planned to purchase 27 F-35A fighters.
            Flag of Denmark.svg Denmark - scheduled delivery of 27 F-35A fighters.
            Flag of Norway.svg Norway - 10 F-35A as of 2018. In total, it is planned to get 45 fighters.
            Flag of Italy.svg Italy - 9 F-35A as of 2018, another 19 aircraft ordered. A total of 60 F-35A fighters are planned to be purchased, and 8 units are planned to be delivered. In addition to the F-35A, Italy ordered 30 F-35B fighters, 15 for the Italian Air Force and 15 for the Italian Navy. For 2018, Italy received 1 F-35B fighter.
            Flag of Japan.svg Japan - 4 F-35A as of 2018, another 9 aircraft ordered. In total, it is planned to purchase 42 F-35A fighters, 38 of which will be produced in Japan by Mitsubishi.
            Flag of Turkey.svg Turkey - 2 units of F-35, as of 2018. At the moment, a total of 30 F-35A have been ordered.
            Flag of South Korea.svg Республика Корея - 1 F-35A as of 2018. A total of 40 F-35A fighters were ordered.
            1. Dzungar
              Dzungar 17 November 2018 17: 23
              +1
              This is clear. All these aircraft were contracted, as I understand it, even before the creation of the Fu-35, and their "happy" owners now did not have much choice. Is not it...?
        4. Random
          Random 16 November 2018 16: 43
          +26
          Quote: Herald of Revia
          In fact, in vain you all laugh here, this is a serious problem.

          The problem really exists, but not through the OKB-Zavod manufacturer, but through the Rosoboron-export line soldier
          Well, in this case, everything is very clearly stated in the article ... you just need to carefully calculate: -
          quote ".....the need for a mandatory technical examination 12 units of Su-30MKM after ten years.
          "Marks" (GOST from series B (RV), which "establishes the nomenclature of aircraft flight safety, reliability, testability, operational and maintenance manufacturability (BNKT)) ​​in this regard ..." reads ":
          service life before the first repair (The calendar duration of the operation of the product from its beginning to the first repair, established in the regulatory and technical documentation) for the Su-30MKM aircraft is 10 years from the beginning of operation. soldier
          And here is just this case - ... time is up ... "reversal", but here ... and we have no money, so ... you ... "sailed" wassat
        5. cockroaches
          cockroaches 16 November 2018 16: 48
          0
          Yes, it’s a problem with orders
        6. figwam
          figwam 16 November 2018 17: 30
          +7
          Quote: Herald of Revia
          And then we wonder why for the "raw" "fu" 35 everyone is in line

          But Western countries have no choice, they voluntarily and forcibly planted on the US equipment and will not go anywhere, they will take any bullshit.
        7. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 16 November 2018 17: 52
          +1
          This is where buyers buy and want to make the entire service team at the moment completely free
        8. another RUSICH
          another RUSICH 16 November 2018 19: 18
          +8
          In fact, hardly anyone here knows the terms of the contract.
          Quite recently, it seems, on this resource, some neighing over the value of the contract with India, whose price was two times higher than the price of f35.
          It was only later that it turned out that the United States was just the price of airplanes, and our cost included service, spare parts, and infrastructure
        9. Dysindich
          Dysindich 16 November 2018 20: 14
          +8
          Read the article first to understand what is at stake. (for general development: - no one is in the queue for the F-35. The plane, literally imposed by the State Department, is now waiting for production facilities to make everyone who is destined to make happy.)
          The lucky ones would get out and be happy, just try to refuse - the Washington Regional Committee will turn off the light and water. And our equipment is being bought despite direct threats of sanctions.
          A serious problem is when we sometimes sell high-tech equipment to such scum that the maximum that can be trusted is to put the tails of donkeys in the desert. This is, yes, a serious problem.
        10. Tashkent citizen
          Tashkent citizen 17 November 2018 06: 13
          -4
          Absolutely agree. Service and especially the supply of spare parts is not much worse. The situation with the vaunted Superjets confirms this. And do not blame everything on the Malaysians.
      3. Random
        Random 16 November 2018 15: 48
        +19
        Quote: yustas
        There a lot of beech, my head got sick, so I didn’t read it to the end

        And the photo is not that ... after all, the article is all about the Su-30MKM, not ...... 29th wink
        1. novel66
          novel66 16 November 2018 16: 46
          +3
          no one noticed
          1. Antares
            Antares 16 November 2018 17: 11
            +4
            Quote: novel xnumx
            no one noticed

            yeah, like the C 300 on the Kraz chassis ...
          2. GibSoN
            GibSoN 16 November 2018 18: 00
            +3
            no one noticed

            I think many have noticed. It's just that not everyone decided to leave a comment. Well, most likely this is such a "cunning" move of the author .. The material in general is clear that there is no point in discussing, but here at least "comb" the commentators who are so worried about this topic that they do not even understand that the photo is completely different aircraft. But through one specialists.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 16 November 2018 22: 10
              +2
              Quote: GibSoN
              and then at least "comb" the commentators

              Yes, commentators, especially those who have been hanging out here for a long time, are already accustomed to such "undocking". Those who are not aware of this local "trick" are mostly outraged. laughing Articles with "left" photos come across very often.
    2. SSR
      SSR 16 November 2018 15: 25
      +4
      Quote: Less
      According to him, the Russian side did not disclose all the details of the contract.

      Did the Malaysians forget to read the contract before the conclusion?

      And what is in the contract? Enlighten please.
      Last week we played hockey and there is a specialist from Sharik (Sheremetyevo), I asked about the superjets, and so, to put it mildly, not only the Mexicans got smiled, Aeroflot lured in! There are no spare parts, even in Aeroflot they are "jerking off".
      This is short.
      1. Loess
        Loess 16 November 2018 15: 35
        +2
        In short, the contract for that and the contract that everything is spelled out in it.
        Quote: SSR
        Played hockey last week

        I did not write about hockey. About Mexicans too.
        1. SSR
          SSR 16 November 2018 15: 38
          +9
          Quote: Less
          contract for that and contract

          There is such a thing as "service" and if there is no such service, then even such cars do not buy, wait 6 months for a spare part for an iron horse? This is nonsense in the modern world and the same with airplanes.
          1. Loess
            Loess 16 November 2018 15: 47
            +18
            You want to say what was said about the service in the contract - will we discuss this later? If the Malaysians had real grounds for claims, they would go to court. If this does not happen, then this indicates that the contract is fully respected by the Russian side.
            1. SSR
              SSR 16 November 2018 15: 54
              -8
              Quote: Less
              You want to say what was said about the service in the contract - will we discuss this later?

              Are you hinting that 12 planes stood exactly at the expiration of the contract?
              10 years pff rotten and got up.
              A person buys a car and there is .. well, let it be a 1 year warranty, then a person buys spare parts originals or a service center quickly changes itself, but if a spare part is expensive and you need to look for it ... yeah, I knew that a new car will have such problems with spare parts in the future will be .... yeah. Shchaz.
              1. Loess
                Loess 16 November 2018 16: 01
                +16
                Quote: SSR
                Are you hinting that 12 planes stood exactly at the expiration of the contract?

                These are your speculations. Under the contract, service is put in a certain period of time. If the aircraft continues to fly after this time is also a violation of the contract. That's why 12 planes are standing.
                1. Random
                  Random 16 November 2018 16: 13
                  +5
                  Quote: Less
                  Under the contract, service is put in a certain period of time. If the aircraft continues to fly after this time is also a violation of the contract. That's why 12 planes are standing.

                  Absolutely right drinks (below painted in detail wink )
              2. Random
                Random 16 November 2018 16: 12
                +9
                Quote: SSR
                Are you hinting that 12 planes stood exactly at the expiration of the contract?

                No .. the planes got up after leaving the limits set by the design bureau of the deadlines between the repair resource and the calendar soldier
                Quote: SSR
                A person buys a car and there is .. well, let it be a 1 year warranty, then a person buys spare parts originals or a service center quickly changes itself, but if a spare part is expensive and you need to look for it ... yeah, I knew that a new car will have such problems with spare parts in the future will be .... yeah. Shchaz.

                An example does not fit "waaabsche", since you only have a "warranty" period for service, and if you do not do the maintenance within the timeframes set by this, then your guarantee .. ty = ty lol and then all by yourself.
                And here everything is done within the LIMITS established by the Civil Code Commission, on the basis of the Factory Test Act, and in this limit there is also the "established warranty period" including the storage and conservation periods, but they are usually half less than the total MTO and calendar.
                And the supply of all spare parts and GRK is strictly stipulated in the contracts. soldier
                1. SSR
                  SSR 16 November 2018 16: 45
                  -1
                  Quote: Random
                  No .. the planes got up after leaving the limits set by the design bureau of the deadlines between the repair resource and the calendar

                  Maybe I do not quite express myself, but I will try)))
                  The contract was signed in 2003-2004, 6 Malaysians received 2007 aircraft in 2009, the rest in 6, it turns out 12 should stand and not XNUMX, or then all at once.
                  10 - years does not work for everyone, problems started earlier and jambs are not only on their part.
                  1. Random
                    Random 16 November 2018 17: 23
                    +3
                    Quote: SSR
                    Maybe I do not quite express myself, but I will try)))

                    I answer in detail drinks
                    Quote: SSR
                    The contract was signed in 2003-2004, 6 Malaysians received 2007 aircraft in 2009, the rest in 6, it turns out 12 should stand and not XNUMX, or then all at once.

                    The first 2 were delivered in the spring of 2007, and in August of the same 2007 there were 2 more, the 4th end of 2007-beginning of 2008, the end of 2008 2 more and the remaining 8 in the period until 2009 ... here they are then just "got up" soldier
                    Quote: SSR
                    10 - years does not work for everyone, problems started earlier and jambs are not only on their part.

                    Su-30MKM flies today only the 4th.
                    Malaysian side she chose suppliers imported equipment for the Su-30MKM.
                    Moreover, the contract was drawn up in such a way that Malaysia provided the supply of these products in finished form.
                    Whereas in other similar contracts the list of equipment is usually specified and the buyer's function ends there, then the buyer has assumed more extensive powers.
                    This is the selection, coordination of the application and the supply of components for both experimental and production vehicles
                    So you wanted to ... type "subcontractors" as "flea bitch" and then ... launch ... "pitiful" wassat
              3. helmi8
                helmi8 16 November 2018 16: 40
                +4
                Quote: SSR
                Are you hinting that 12 planes stood exactly at the expiration of the contract?
                10 years pff rotten and got up

                Any aircraft is given an overhaul resource, on a raid or calendar. 10 years have passed - everything doesn’t care how long he flew, maybe he was standing in the parking lot, but the aircraft was equipped with a CWR. You can’t fly anymore. From the article, I realized that the Malaysians do not want to transfer planes to Russia, they want to call specialists from Russia. But it’s not clear on what material base can repairs be made there?
                1. Random
                  Random 16 November 2018 16: 53
                  +6
                  Quote: helmi8
                  everything doesn’t care how long he flew, maybe he was parked at all, but the aircraft was equipped with a CWR. You can’t fly anymore.

                  All right drinksnot KVR, but KP ... (KVR is already after the first repair, and it is he who sets the overhaul resources and calendars), and the production of equipment goes through the service life until the first repair drinks
                  Quote: helmi8
                  From the article, I realized that the Malaysians do not want to transfer planes to Russia, they want to call specialists from Russia.

                  The casket "opens" very simply wink :
                  Malaysian Defense Minister YB Dato 'Seri Hishammudin Tun Hussein said:
                  "- In order to expand the presence of Russian manufacturers in our market, we need to move towards greater integration and interdependence.
                  It seems to me that through armaments and military equipment we can, as a step towards each other, first expand the list of work performed at local enterprises in terms of repair and maintenance (MRO) of Russian-made aircraft and helicopters, which were previously acquired by the Armed Forces and other government agencies.
                  The next step to expand mutually beneficial interaction may be production of Russian equipment at our sites. wassat
                  Quote: helmi8
                  But it’s not clear on what material base can repairs be made there?

                  Continuation of the speech of the Ministry of Defense of Malaysia - "It seems to me that Russia should act in such a way that use the base created on our territory ..... "
                  In Russian, "build a factory for us for your grandmothers" and ... you will have ... "peace, friendship ... chewing gum" wink
                2. SSR
                  SSR 16 November 2018 17: 01
                  +1
                  You write everything correctly, it's just that the problem started earlier, it surfaced on VO today and above, I tried to convey my point of view to the comrade and pointed out that not all 12 aircraft had a 10-year term, and they drove themselves to such a state, including from for our harsh realities, they ask for a spare part today and we wait for them in turn and wait for you inside and out, "cannibalism" of superjets from the same series.
                  The planes are excellent and "cannibalism" is not very good and this is a necessary measure.
                  1. Random
                    Random 16 November 2018 17: 55
                    +4
                    Quote: SSR
                    and they drove themselves to such a state, including because of our harsh realities, they ask for a spare part today and we wait for them in turn and wait for you inside and out, "cannibalism" of superjets from the same series.

                    And yes and no ... it's just that ours are already tired of buying everything for ... "palm oil" (this is for slogans like fellow good) but in reality ... it's really sad (for the Malaysians, I mean).
                    General Afendi himself (this is the Chief of the Malaysian Air Force) said that ..... "since 2007, annually allocated for the needs of the RMAF (this is the Royal Malaysian Air Force fleet) the operating budget never came close to the amount needed by the air force to effectively manage and maintain its assets. crying
                    This was established by the National Audit Department based on an audit conducted in respect of 2017.
                    And the lack of funds directly affected the level of maintenance and operation of our Su-30MKM. "
                    These are the first and second, but the third ... in the previous comment I "sounded" some aspects of this contract, in particular, by the independent purchase and delivery of READY KPI by Mallasia bully , so as it turned out it is the same for them ... "suetprize" wassat it turns out that everything should be "removed" and sent for repairs to the French, South Africa and the Indians.
                    And with our UEC has concluded a number of agreements on overhaul of the fleet of AL-31FP turbojet engines and their units installed on the Su-30MKM multipurpose fighters of the Royal Air Force (KVVS) of Malaysia. "
                    And then it turned out that the "glider" also needs to be detected (there is still an equatorial climate + ocean wassat)
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 16 November 2018 15: 51
            +6
            Quote: SSR
            There is such a thing as "service"

            Did they subscribe to the service or decided to save and refused? He, too, is not free.
            1. SSR
              SSR 16 November 2018 16: 33
              -1
              Quote: Piramidon
              Did they subscribe to the service or decided to save and refused?

              They signed, but in the process found it opaque and expensive, and after turning to Sukhoi, it was also long.
              It is possible to abuse Indians, Malaysians, Chinese for arbitrariness arbitrarily, but it is the problem with the service that introduces them into a stupor.
              The system of maintenance and procurement from the United States is simple and systematic; the United States has an External Military Sales program

              Our resort, balneological tourism and leisure, suffer not from the fact that there are no places, but from the fact that there is no notorious service. You can always chat about their jambs, but the sales and service sector is the left and right hand in big business, the availability of contracts did not help Gazprom from lawsuits and arrests, from Naftogaz. (Even taking into account the bias of the European courts).
    3. Random
      Random 16 November 2018 15: 40
      +26
      Quote: Less
      Did the Malaysians forget to read the contract before the conclusion?

      Neeeee not forgotten ... ordinary .. "tricky post" Malaysians) .... there is a "periodicity of maintenance / maintenance" which can be carried out on-site in a heat-and-power unit or workstation or ATB, but within the overhaul resource, which is 1 hours this is also where the overhaul CALENDAR exists ... so it is just 500 years old.
      And the "exit" beyond 10 years, this is an aircraft in the "stall" before the completion of the CR, and even according to the "form No. 1" (that is, heavy, with the performance of strength bulletins) and it is possible CR ... only in the conditions of the PLANT ( or a manufacturer or a repair one, but with the involvement of specialists from the Sukhoi Design Bureau).
      And it costs a lot of money and the CD itself and "delivery" (round trip).
      All this is written in the PLANE FORMULAR .. ". IN BARAL LETTERS" wassat and in the contract and for the wait and warranty service.
      Now they will talk about "stinging" from .. "difficult childhood and lack of vitamins" ... to ..... "you will not make indulgences ... we will not take any more" wassat
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 16 November 2018 15: 46
        +1
        Quote: Random
        The PLANE FORMULAR .. ". IN BARAL LETTERS" and in the contract and for the sale and warranty service.

        In the field of sales, you can be "tight" if you are a monopolist, and if not, then there are additional agreements for this.
        1. Random
          Random 16 November 2018 15: 53
          +8
          Quote: Scoun
          In the field of sales, you can be "tight" if you are a monopolist, and if not, then there are additional agreements for this.

          So yes ... but the original contract is concluded precisely "according to" from the Aircraft Formulary, since this is a GUARANTEE and compliance with "data" is a guarantee of fulfilling warranty obligations.
          Well, the "dopas" were and are always ... if something else is needed "in excess" or in "additions" to the contract (since the currency passport of the transaction is drawn up every time).
          It is very often practiced .... everything was officially signed and suddenly .... and you know we want this one more ... but not for the money that you say, but for less and we also want to ... "gingerbread " wassat and as a rule, ours go for it (and not only ours wink )
    4. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 16 November 2018 15: 49
      +1
      Chukchi is not a reader Chukchi writer laughing
    5. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 16 November 2018 16: 10
      -3
      It was written in Russian. And they are Nibelmes in him.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 16 November 2018 16: 28
        +6
        You laugh in vain. And there is. In Mexico, got on the joke Superjets. No spare parts.
        And part of the instructions is in Russian. And the Belgians who took the Superjets for domestic lines are threatening to refuse. Service from Russia is zero.
        1. SSR
          SSR 16 November 2018 17: 57
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          No spare parts.

          I started with this))) if our techies spit on this particular part of the problem, this does not mean their cunning))
          The plane itself is praised, but the obscenities about the supply of spare parts and this is our pride Aeroflot can not cope with the supply of spare parts from the supplier of domestic and the same techies, speak well of the Boeing and Airbas service.
          And it bore me trying to convey that it was not all a matter of handshakes))
        2. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 16 November 2018 19: 07
          0
          Today the American airline began negotiations on the purchase of Superjets. Looks like rumors about technical problems of the liner are exaggerated.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 16 November 2018 19: 30
            0
            Included as a candidate in the tender? Or bought it?
            The problems are not technical with the liner, but the problems of maintenance and spare parts.
    6. venik
      venik 16 November 2018 18: 37
      0
      Quote: Less
      Did the Malaysians forget to read the contract before the conclusion?

      ==========
      Yes, they just "do not know how to read" !!!

      laughing
    7. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 17 November 2018 05: 47
      0
      Their service is not satisfied? Let them buy F22_35 and then they’ll go nuts. An hour of operation is $ 44 tons and after each hour of flight 30 hours of service. So let them rejoice
    8. private person
      private person 17 November 2018 09: 07
      0
      Su-30MKM (multi-purpose, commercial, Malaysian),
      Probably in this contract the word in the name is commercial key. In another way, pay money if you want to continue to fly. Business and nothing more.
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    2. Henderson
      Henderson 16 November 2018 16: 14
      -1
      With this approach to work, Sukhoi loses all customers
      1. cockroaches
        cockroaches 16 November 2018 16: 51
        -3
        Already starting
  3. svp67
    svp67 16 November 2018 15: 28
    +7
    And why in the photo in the title of MiG, if we talk about Su?
    In general, this is our misfortune, which we can’t cope with or don’t want. Due to the mass of bureaucratic delays, both the Su-30MKM and SuperJets are standing on the ground
    1. IGU
      IGU 16 November 2018 15: 34
      -3
      And why in the photo in the title of MiG, did they eat a conversation about Su?
      MiGs have one feature they are Malaysian.
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 November 2018 15: 35
        +1
        Quote: IGU
        MiGs have one feature they are Malaysian.

        Yeah, and apparently there is another feature, they do not stand idle on the ground - they fly.
  4. sir_obs
    sir_obs 16 November 2018 15: 28
    +3
    Our constantly scolded for after-sales service equipment. This problem is not the first time voiced. And if it is, then it is time to solve it once and for all. If you are not supposed to serve under the contract, it means poking at it with a nose before the sale and paying attention to it so that later there is no reason for this, otherwise they go on the occasion to make it cheaper, and then moans begin. As a result, the image suffers, competitors will quickly take up the hands of crying natives.
    The main thing is not to sell once, the main thing is to cooperate on a permanent basis.
    1. vkfriendly
      vkfriendly 17 November 2018 05: 48
      +1
      And the contracts that the children sign which you have to poke your nose?
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 November 2018 15: 30
    +4
    According to him, the Russian side did not disclose all the details of the contract, namely, that 10 years later, work will be necessary that only Russian specialists have the right to perform.
    Well give. Did they first mark the contract well and then sign it? You also need to be able to lie, and if you do not know how, then do not sign your incompetence.
  6. NEXUS
    NEXUS 16 November 2018 15: 32
    -4
    The Malaysian prime minister told the Russian president that Malaysia had bought "several Russian planes" but did not know how to maintain them and asked Russia for help in repairing them.

    Apparently they thought they would figure out the instructions themselves. They opened the instructions, and there ... damn it, everything is in Russian. And in a language like that, take this crap, fuck it with this somersault, then bounce off and pretend to be a rag. Because, she’s yoksel-moxel, your sweep, ...
    Apparently the Malaysians were unable to translate some of the idiomatic technical expressions, and that's why they came to ask our president - something like this - "fuck the shit out of it, somersaults" wassat
    1. Random
      Random 16 November 2018 15: 56
      +4
      Quote: NEXUS
      Apparently they thought they would figure out the instructions themselves. They opened the instructions, and there ... damn it, everything is in Russian.

      Not Andrey and the contract is written in 2 languages ​​at once and the RLE for them and THEN everything is in .. "English" wink
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 16 November 2018 16: 01
        -3
        Quote: Random
        Not Andrey and the contract is written in 2 languages ​​at once and the RLE for them and THEN everything is in .. "English"

        Apparently not ... wassat Russian-technical, about which I said Chinese. Think yourself how to translate this into English. wassat
  7. Faceless
    Faceless 16 November 2018 15: 53
    +7
    According to him, the Russian side did not disclose all the details of the contract, namely, that after 10 years, work will be necessary, which only Russian specialists have the right to perform


    I would rephrase: they have the opportunity, and not just the right, to execute only our specialists))

    Generally from the category of anecdotes. How can you "hide" contract details? - no way. You can read the contract inattentively - yes, all the time. "Hidden" details (to which one of the parties did not agree) are legally null and void.

    And there is no need to confuse other problems of "cannibalism" in some of our civilian companies and our alleged lack of service. Here the problem is in the carelessness and impudence of the Malaysians, and not in our service. Money in the morning - chairs in the evening, that is, details and service. No money - no service. And they themselves (without our specialists), apparently, cannot objectively serve (what they have no right to do - we will leave it out of brackets).

    So our fellows thrice: that they sold the planes, that they competently drew up a contract, that they set up the service in such a way that there is no one else to technically implement it))
    1. Random
      Random 16 November 2018 15: 57
      +1
      Quote: NEXUS
      Apparently they thought they would figure out the instructions themselves. They opened the instructions, and there ... damn it, everything is in Russian.

      Not Andrey and the contract is written in 2 languages ​​at once and the RLE for them and THEN everything is in .. "English" wink
    2. Random
      Random 16 November 2018 16: 20
      +1
      Quote: Less
      Under the contract, service is put in a certain period of time. If the aircraft continues to fly after this time is also a violation of the contract. That's why 12 planes are standing.

      Absolutely right drinks (below painted in detail wink )
  8. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 16 November 2018 16: 28
    +1
    Duriks pretended. Operation and overhaul of denezhek cost.
  9. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 16 November 2018 16: 45
    +1
    The ax must also be sharpened ..
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 16 November 2018 16: 47
    +1
    It’s not clear how the Malays bought equipment at all. How to conclude a contract so that you don’t know how to repair aircraft? It is clear that ours could also stir up water, but what then are Malaysian lawyers
  11. Waldemar
    Waldemar 16 November 2018 16: 53
    +1
    Krylov's fable "monkey and glasses"
  12. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 16 November 2018 16: 54
    0
    It is necessary to prescribe in the contract that the aircraft still have to fly ... for a separate price. laughing
    In Soviet times, they decided to purchase several dual-use chemical production plants in England. Cool specialists from the Ministry of Foreign Trade went to sign the contract. We bought all the installations that were in England at that time. Currencies did not regret!
    The equipment was brought to the Union ... delivered ... configured ... but it does not work. How so? They rushed to the British ... and they answered: these installations did not work for us either - the wrong technological solution. And no one guaranteed that it should work!
    And another case ... The British bought a whole ship of karakulchi in the Middle East. He didn’t have time to sail to England when he was immediately resold at the Leningrad fur auction. Our joy knew no bounds - they bought such a product at a cheap price!
    A steamboat went straight to the Leningrad Sea Port ... Where it turned out - all the goods were infected with anthrax spores. Pretty deadly, I’ll inform you, the disease.
    What happened next is a separate story. But leaving such a source of infection in the city center ... is extremely dangerous.
    This is how some contracts were concluded.
    1. Antares
      Antares 16 November 2018 17: 14
      0
      Quote: kunstkammer
      Equipment brought to the Union

      reminded the purchase of a machine. spill lines .. and there the tin is not the same, the material is not the same, the syrup is not the same ...
  13. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 16 November 2018 17: 03
    +1
    Stopping the operation of twelve aircraft at once is nonsense. It is simply beyond comprehension. Waste to carry out restoration repairs, in this case, talk about it, is planned for a year, or even two, before the end of the operating life, plus the resource of the aircraft and engines for the flight to the ARP. Here it turns out, they got off the tree and go exploit it in the air and on the ground.
    1. NN52
      NN52 16 November 2018 18: 28
      +1
      Yes, I agree .... It seems that a contract is attached to this article, and its "specialists" have read and discussed here ...
      The article is nonsense ...
      And some comments too ...
      What is the driving distance to the factory after 10 years .....)))
  14. Solomon
    Solomon 16 November 2018 17: 07
    -7
    Provocative article ..100%!
  15. Troll
    Troll 16 November 2018 17: 17
    +1
    Dark water in the oblast (s)
    We did not read the contract and what is written about maintenance is not known to us.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 16 November 2018 18: 02
      +1
      Quote: Troll
      Dark water in the oblast (s)
      We did not read the contract and what is written about maintenance is not known to us.

      It’s for sure and very bad that out of 28 aircraft only 4 fly. Even if the Malays poorly read the contract, the reputation of the manufacturer suffers.
  16. HMR333
    HMR333 16 November 2018 17: 39
    0
    they wanted planes that do not need repair in general)))) 10 years, rejoice that you are not 1-3 years old ....
  17. Alekseev
    Alekseev 16 November 2018 18: 13
    +1
    Quote: Bearded
    An expensive toy requires maintenance.

    This material is very indicative. Buying airplanes or something else is not at all what it is. wink
    Modern weapons are not only planes, tanks, air defense systems, etc. very complex things. This is a system that will not work without comprehensive support: technical, rear, and if you need to fight, then combat.
    This common truth became well known before the Second World War.
    Probably in Malaysia should know this.
    Those. The conclusion is: you purchase modern sophisticated weapons systems - establish long-term military-technical cooperation and strengthen relations. with the country of origin.
  18. K-50
    K-50 16 November 2018 18: 33
    0
    Earlier, the Commander-in-Chief of the Malaysian Air Force, General Dato Affendi Bin Buang, stated that the problem of the combat readiness of Russian fighters is compounded by the need for a mandatory technical examination of 12 Su-30MKM units after a ten-year operation period.

    They are somehow "weird". what
    Here, cars, products are an order of magnitude different, less complicated, you need to fix it with a certified serviceman, there should be no talk about planes, who, when, where, what and how to fix.
    Really signing a contract, they thought that the products are eternal?
    Nobody argues, it’s much cheaper to repair Russian planes, and preparation for flights is much easier and cheaper than with Western equipment, but the Malaysians are not happy with the campaign.
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 November 2018 19: 24
    +1
    Well, how did the Papuans think they bought it? And they drive a regular car without maintenance? So the automaker due to the repair live. Do not make Putin round eyes, nothing is repaired for free.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 16 November 2018 19: 29
      0
      They had to sell like a cassette player. The pipe is separate. Gromophone separately. And together, they work ... but for an additional fee.
  20. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 16 November 2018 19: 27
    -1
    We still have Ukrainians, the same freeloaders.
  21. Dysindich
    Dysindich 16 November 2018 19: 44
    0
    One more "Hindus" were found ... Everyone loves to mow for fools. The principle is the same, all over the world - military equipment is very expensive toys, and their maintenance is also not cheap. No money, or a toad is choking - don't get involved in this case. And to leave your products on their own is to lose your reputation (because, in ten years, daddy has done so much technology that you can't look at it without tears), then conversations begin: ... the technology is bad ...
  22. swyatoslav
    swyatoslav 16 November 2018 22: 45
    -1
    Dumb bazaar, Mr. Mahathir - help!
    Load the oil (Palm) barrels!
    Well, now we don’t accept dollars - we despise ....
  23. sabotage
    sabotage 17 November 2018 11: 02
    0
    For some reason, I remember the Iranian F-14s flying without maintenance and without spare parts for 30 years. Either the climate is different, or Iranian techniques are incredible magicians.

    Have there been cases when planes from Tan got into a joke due to the lack of spare parts, the inability to perform maintenance or something like that?
  24. romb
    romb 17 November 2018 19: 35
    0
    And what was the point of putting a MiG on a photo if the conversation is about Su? belay
  25. Shura Wii
    Shura Wii 18 November 2018 00: 24
    0
    Technique in the hands of a savage ... terrible power.
  26. Samaks
    Samaks 18 November 2018 15: 19
    +1
    And in the photo, not MiGs?