They know better there. Will the South Kuril Islands become "northern territories"?

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It seems we have the right to pre-announce two at once. news. One is good and the other is not very. First: it seems that the territorial dispute with Japan will nevertheless be resolved, the countries will sign a peace treaty. Second, everything goes to the point that it will not be possible to save all the disputed islands, and no one is going to ask us what to give and how to give.





Such conclusions can be drawn from the analysis of Vladimir Putin’s statement made after his meeting with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. He recall, with visible enthusiasm, said that Japan was finally ready to return to the discussion of the territorial problem on the basis of the agreements set forth in the Soviet-Japanese declaration of the 1956 of the year.

Yesterday during our meeting, the Prime Minister actually said that Japan would be ready to return to the discussion of that problem on the basis of the 1956 Declaration of the Year. But this requires, of course, a separate, additional serious study.


True, it should be noted that Putin did not cut off his path to retreat. He also mentioned the not quite accurate formulations in that declaration, and that all this needs to be clarified. But, on the other hand, it can also be a game for the Russian audience: after all the government initiatives of the current year, the rating has to be treated carefully.

Putin probably would like to settle a territorial dispute with Japan. Partly due to the fact that he has experience in resolving a similar dispute with China, as a result of which we have got quite strong, positive relations with our largest neighbor. At that time, there was also a lot of debate about whether we need such a demarcation of the border, but now, it seems, there are fewer doubters. Japan is also a major regional (and global) political and economic player. And for us, it can also become a figure balancing China, which in itself has some value.

On the other hand, Japan could indeed become a major investor in the Russian economy, in particular, in the Far East. This is a powerful financial, industrial and technological center, normal relations with which could more than compensate us for the loss of several islands.

But here "everything is not so clear." And the simplest argument is that not everything that looks good on paper is just as good in practice.

Let's start with the issue of economic cooperation. We are often often slipped this argument as the main advantage of the transfer of the islands of Japan. But the fact is that a free, market economy does not tolerate dictation. And it is hard to believe that at the first click of the fingers of the Prime Minister of Japan, thousands of Japanese businessmen will rush to invest in Russia. By the way, they have such an opportunity even now. And they even invest something. But more and more in oil and gas projects like Sakhalin-1 and Sakhalin-2, in which even without the Japanese, investors stood in a queue.

In fact, this argument is very doubtful. Maybe there will be an investment. Maybe not. Or maybe a peace treaty and the return of at least part of the “northern territories” to the Japanese will have a counterproductive effect: if now, not wanting to quarrel strongly with Russia (otherwise they will not give anything at all), the Japanese have very carefully, symbolically supported anti-Russian sanctions, then with their hands untied they can enter the vanguard of the sanctions front. And why not, really: there is nothing left to lose, and it is always good to support the “traditional partner” from overseas.

They buy fish without any peace treaties in any quantities. Moreover, they quite consciously encourage Russian poachers who carry whole holds of unaccounted fish, crabs, shrimps and other seafood delicacies across the border. Round wood we supply them without question. Coal? Oil? Liquefied gas? Yes, whatever, just to pay!

That is, hopes for a deep river of Japanese investment may not justify themselves. And this must be borne in mind first.

In general, what is the 1956 declaration of the year? According to this document, the USSR undertook (after signing a peace treaty, and not a minute earlier!) To hand over to Japan about. Shikotan and Habomai Islands. And this, it must be admitted, is a very favorable compromise for us, if we are basically ready for these very compromises.



First, these islands are located on the oceanic, eastern side of the South Kuril ridge. They are purely geographically incapable of influencing whether we can regard the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as our inland water body. That is, this problem in this case disappears automatically.

Secondly, the military-strategic importance of these islands is greatly exaggerated. If nearby, in a few kilometers, there would not be a bulk of Hokkaido Island, on which at least ten military bases can be located, the question would be of fundamental importance. But in this case, perhaps, anxiety is unnecessary - we already have something to fear there.

Thirdly, the really large islands of Kunashir and Iturup (the largest island of the Kuril ridge) remain behind us. They are quite sufficient for organizing a serious military presence there, and economically it is still significantly more valuable than Kunashir and Habomai. This and the deposit of rhenium on about. Iturup, and quite a significant water area, rich in salmon and other commercial varieties of fish and other aquatic bioresources.

Once again I focus on this attention: if we are in principle ready to compromise in a territorial dispute with Japan, then conditions are better than in the 1956 Declaration of the year, we probably just won’t think of it.

However, the question remains: do we really need this compromise? Its economic value, as we have already found out, is rather doubtful. Maybe we can compensate for this with the benefits of a military-political alliance with Japan?

Alas, this is also unlikely. More precisely, the probability of such an alliance is almost zero. And the reason lies on the surface - the place of the main military-political partner of Japan is firmly occupied by the Americans.

Currently, Japan is the main ally of the United States in the APR. It is, without exaggeration, the unsinkable aircraft carrier of America, geographically located in a place where you can control the entire maritime trade in China. And this is now the most valuable geopolitical resource for the United States.

The situation is aggravated by the fact that the trajectories of Chinese and North Korean missiles, which are launching towards the United States, pass over Japan. With the advent of the missile defense system, Washington’s interest in the Land of the Rising Sun has only intensified, and with the advent of ICBMs, North Korea has reached its apogee.

But it must be admitted that Japan is interested in strengthening military cooperation with the United States. It is already obvious that Tokyo is not in a position to hold back the rapidly growing China on its own. A quarrel with the United States means for the Japanese, at a minimum, the loss of the Senkaku Islands (whale. Diaoyuidao) in the East China Sea. It is unlikely that Tokyo is inspired by the military-technical successes of Pyongyang, and especially its nuclear program.

All this rather clearly indicates to us that none of our attempts to “tame” Japan and make it its military partner will be crowned with success either in the near or in the medium term.

So, the deal looks too dubious for Russia, if we ignore general considerations about good-neighborliness and the growing friendship of nations. The islands, though not the most valuable, we still give, and in return we receive only promises and tapping on the shoulder. Exchange, you see, is not the most equivalent ...

Probably, someone will say that at the level of heads of state the issue is discussed more substantively, and there certainly will be some guarantees of investment, technological cooperation and other wonderful things. And this is probably the case ...

Still, we had enough cases to make sure that our leaders do not always make wise decisions aimed at the benefit of the people and the state. Therefore, sorry, I would like to see all the cards on the table. And only then, after appropriate discussion, to authorize our authority to this or that decision.

But so, of course, will not. Because they are there, as always, know better.
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  1. +130
    16 November 2018 05: 48
    If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... it is without options ... I used to be neutral towards him ... but now the foundation of our existence and the position and position of a person for me are being touched no longer matters.
    1. +52
      16 November 2018 05: 55
      And how do you feel about Medvedev ... He gave our Norway pretty much?
      1. +100
        16 November 2018 06: 08
        And how do you feel about Medvedev ... He gave our Norway pretty much?

        For me, he is insignificance like Gorbachev and Shevarnadze who gave our fish places in the ocean to the Americans ... top officials behave very inappropriately in such matters without asking our people ... without holding any referenda on this subject ... this is unacceptable with all points of view.
        1. +60
          16 November 2018 08: 19
          Soon, half of the site of the "patriots" will be broadcasting following the situation: "Why do we need these Kuriles! Well done Putin, he got rid of them!" These gentlemen are no stranger to changing their shoes in the air.
          1. +55
            16 November 2018 09: 19
            Not an inch of our land to the Japanese. They chopped our soldiers' heads in the REV and WWII. They have not yet answered for Tsushima. In Japan, American bases. The 1956 treaty provided for the withdrawal of bases.
            So, to hell with them and not Kemsk parish.
            1. +8
              16 November 2018 10: 15
              Quote: Bearded
              Not an inch of our land to the Japanese. They chopped our soldiers' heads in the REV and WWII. They have not yet answered for Tsushima.

              Let the enemy who hid in ambush remember
              We are on the alert, we are following the enemy.
              We do not want any land,
              But we will not give up ours.

              The thunder of fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel
              The cars will go on a furious campaign,
              When the harsh hour of war will come
              And the motherland will send us to attack!

              And if an enemy is getting to us,
              He will be beat everywhere and everywhere!
              Then press the drivers starters
              And through the forests, by the hills, by the water .... (from the song of the March of Soviet tank crews)
              1. +17
                16 November 2018 12: 30
                Quote: Cheldon
                The thunder of fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel
                The cars will go on a furious campaign,
                When the harsh hour of war will come
                And the motherland will send us to attack!

                And I remember another option:
                Rattling fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel
                The cars will go on a furious campaign,
                When Comrade Stalin gives us the order,
                And the red marshal will lead us into battle!
                1. +10
                  16 November 2018 13: 13
                  When Comrade Stalin gives us the order,
                  And the red marshal will lead us into battle!

                  Only in the text is not red, but the first. Those. K.E. Voroshilov.
                2. +1
                  17 November 2018 10: 57
                  The latter is true and patriotic, we must remember our heroes and great kings.
                  1. +11
                    17 November 2018 19: 40
                    CHILD TALE

                    There was a Russian people.
                    He was not cunning, but smart, kind and simple-minded.
                    And he had "golden islands"
                    They were cherished, as the Saints bequeathed.
                    Yes, He forgot the covenants
                    And now he lives with a sour mine on his sad face.
                    And they divided the country into pieces.
                    Once the scent is lost, don't blather, and the point.

                    And the islands, like a trump card,
                    It's time to play, but fear appalling.

                    - Khrushchev beat, beat - did not break;
                    - Yeltsin wanted - but forgot to drink.
                    - Putin’s dog was running, Abe waved its tail, and the islands swam!
                    The people are crying, and they are clucking cheerfully:
                    Do not cry silly, on you ruble flaky,
                    Bread from the trough of a beer pub,
                    Forget about the ravings of the Saints, there are many other things in life.
                    Watch Jewish show on TV
                    Take a credit card and indulge a little.

                    The moral of this tale is simple:
                    While the kids are smeared with USE,
                    The islands will sail away, they will not say goodbye.
              2. +3
                16 November 2018 20: 49
                Homeland, in all cases - with a capital letter !!!
            2. +7
              16 November 2018 11: 03
              Quote: Bearded
              In Japan, American bases. The 1956 treaty provided for the withdrawal of bases.

              did the 56 year treaty provide for the withdrawal of US bases? Did the Americans sit at the table?
              1. +3
                16 November 2018 11: 33
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Did the Americans sit at the table?

                Should they have been invited? No matter how striped puffed up, but if they are not invaders, then they are guests.
                Is the base in American territory? The fact that the Americans automatically consider the territory of bases their territory does not mean that without bases it will belong to the Americans.
                1. +5
                  16 November 2018 19: 24
                  Quote: hohkn
                  Should they have been invited? No matter how striped puffed up, but if they are not invaders, then they are guests.

                  they are occupiers. You probably forgot Hiroshima from Nagasaki. But Nikita Sergeevich, who had made an initiative in the return of Japan, the "Northern Territories" clearly wanted to throw.
                2. 0
                  19 November 2018 18: 46
                  Alas, in this case the USA and the USSR are not invaders for Japan, but winners in the Second World War and temporary occupying armies! This is not the same thing!
            3. +4
              16 November 2018 11: 09
              The Japanese want Habomai and Shikotan - no question! Ready to exchange for Okinawa!
              laughing laughing laughing
              1. +2
                16 November 2018 19: 29
                Quote: Fedor Egoist
                The Japanese want Habomai and Shikotan - no question! Ready to exchange for Okinawa!
                laughing laughing laughing

                this is not a question. There is a question of stress relief and investment. However, will the cornerstone of this issue be investments in the raw material or technological sector of the Russian economy? This question is sharply hushed up. The other side is the Japanese right to fish resources in the region and the shelf. And these are other perspectives in the energy sector and the reason for wars, in 25 years
                1. +16
                  16 November 2018 23: 28
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  tension and investment. However, will the cornerstone of this issue be investments in the raw material or technological sector of the Russian economy? This question is sharply hushed up. Other

                  And what about us, Khan without Japanese investment? In my opinion, all the talk about investment, which is not necessary at all, will be needed only to cover up the betrayal of the perfect in case of transfer of the islands.
                  1. +7
                    17 November 2018 20: 35
                    Where the Japanese get in, there’s nothing to smoke them from, and they will smoke us at the moment. First, two islands, then three more, and in the end the results will get to Sakhalin.
          2. -3
            16 November 2018 09: 35
            Quote: Stas157
            Soon, half of the site of the "patriots" will be broadcasting following the situation: "Why do we need these Kuriles! Well done Putin, he got rid of them!" These gentlemen are no stranger to changing their shoes in the air.

            You carefully look at the article. For the whole article there is one quote and that which is called out of context, the rest is the author’s speculations - he is Kuzovkov, he is Kozma Prutkov, etc. There is not a single link to the official source.
            It seems we have a right

            In Russia they say: when it seems, it is necessary to be baptized.
        2. +17
          16 November 2018 10: 26
          and who ever people ever asked?
          1. +8
            17 November 2018 16: 54
            When the roasted rooster began to peck, they not only asked, but bowed low at their feet.
            While the rooster has not yet begun to fry, this fruit, which by misunderstanding has become the head of state, is still puffing up.
          2. +5
            17 November 2018 20: 38
            People are only informed of a fait accompli. And then you can scream and beat yourself in the chest, but the train left.
        3. +27
          16 November 2018 15: 00
          I do not agree that they are acting inadequately. Quite adequately, do not hold them for idiots. It is perfectly acceptable and adequate for them to sell a piece (or a piece) of the Motherland for real money. And this is called a business. And in the "terrible USSR" such actions were called treason and were punished accordingly. And besides, they do not consider the Russian Federation as their homeland. In London or Washington, their homeland.
        4. VB
          +13
          17 November 2018 15: 15
          Medvedev is not just a jerk; he is a traitor for the Norwegian program, and not only that, he must appear before the Military Collegium. And NOBODY has the right to distribute the lands of Russia, we have not conquered, and not to us to distribute. We have received and preserved, we must pass it on to the children and grandchildren. And who distributes, those must be put to the wall without trial.
          1. VB
            +3
            18 November 2018 10: 32
            The article was published in the "Free Press" that all the palaces on the coast of Crimea, except for "Livadia", which was also put up for a penny at auction, were sold to figures close to Putin. What's this? Under the guise of MOTHERLAND are these ... privatized? When will the staff members publish the state of our guarantor devoted to the Motherland?
          2. 0
            19 November 2018 14: 14
            Medvedev is not just a jerk; he is a traitor for the Norwegian program, and not only that, he must appear before the Military Collegium.

            Medvedev was strongly opposed to the transfer and, in his presidency, deployed a huge Russian flag with students on the islands, which caused outrage in the Japanese Foreign Ministry. Already forgotten?
            Or maybe you forgot that the president defines our foreign policy?
      2. +14
        16 November 2018 08: 57
        Quote: Vard
        And how do you feel about Medvedev ...



        A young, promising politician. Loved by the people. It takes care of him (the people).

        PS The message is covered with a touch of sarcasm
        1. +14
          16 November 2018 09: 20
          Medvedev more than a teacher of vocational schools does not pull.
          1. +36
            16 November 2018 10: 17
            Quote: Bearded
            Medvedev more than a teacher of vocational schools does not pull.


            Do not offend vocational school teachers
          2. +4
            16 November 2018 10: 42
            Nidaibokh. Polomoyka in vocational schools. Ceiling.
          3. +5
            16 November 2018 17: 54
            Quote: Bearded
            Medvedev more than a teacher of vocational schools does not pull.

            He and weeks in vocational schools, as a teacher will not last. Why ... Well, you understand.
        2. Cat
          +7
          16 November 2018 13: 54
          The message is covered with a touch of sarcasm

          Rather a thick layer wink
        3. +3
          16 November 2018 14: 57
          ... as to Mendel, but not to Mendeleev ..
          1. 0
            17 November 2018 21: 22
            So you spit all genetics in your face right now?
            Quote: ver_
            ... as to Mendel, but not to Mendeleev ..
        4. 0
          16 November 2018 20: 53
          ... he will throw off his overseas suit and put on a clift camp - FOR LIFETIME, without the right to lean back!

          I promise !!! All Power to the Soviets!
        5. +1
          17 November 2018 20: 39
          Very much loved!
          1. Cat
            0
            18 November 2018 15: 44
            Very much loved!

            Love of evil - love and ....
      3. +15
        16 November 2018 09: 07
        Quote: Vard
        He gave us our Norway pretty?

        This is a tradition among presidents. His predecessor and successor to China also made territorial gifts. wink
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        2. +5
          17 November 2018 20: 40
          We have no statesmen. The last was I.V. Stalin
          1. Cat
            0
            18 November 2018 15: 54
            We have no statesmen

            Russia and her husbands generally feel bad. Under Elizabeth it was not bad, under Catherine it was generally good.
            No, you don’t think, I’m not a supporter of matriarchy.
        3. Cat
          0
          18 November 2018 15: 47
          His predecessor and successor to China also made territorial gifts.

          Here someone would give us. At least Port Arthur is the same
    2. 0
      16 November 2018 07: 10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ...

      Why Putin, and why not Khrushchev? It was in his reign such a decision was made? Khrushchev put the same on international agreements and put us in the unequivocal position in which we are dosihpor.

      And by the way, these islands were given to Japan, provided that it would be neutral. To which the United States said that Japan would be neutral, but only on condition that Okinawa be American. That's it.
      1. +22
        16 November 2018 07: 30
        Quote: Boris55
        That's it.

        Then it makes no sense to start.
        PS And what is demand from Khrushchev now? Alas....
        1. -11
          16 November 2018 07: 41
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Then it makes no sense to start.

          We don’t, but the Japs insist and gave them a reason, contrary to international agreements reached under Stalin according to the results of the Second World War, Khrushchev.

          Quote from Uncle Lee
          And what is the demand from Khrushchev now? Alas....

          The agreements are valid regardless of the name of the head at the moment. They are accepted on behalf of the state, and not on behalf of a particular person.

          Can you imagine what kind of bacchanalia was going on in the World if, if you changed the head of the country, you would have to conclude all agreements with her in a new way.
          1. +9
            16 November 2018 07: 47
            Quote: Boris55
            Bacchanalia

            Crimea, Kuril Islands, corn, cult, collective farms ... Only the letter K. And much more is connected with Khrushchev.
            1. -8
              16 November 2018 09: 18
              Quote from Uncle Lee
              Crimea, Kuril Islands, corn, cult, collective farms ... Only the letter K. And much more is connected with Khrushchev.

              Caribbean crisis, space, heel. wink And this is only in K. Once a person was unambiguously appointed a scapegoat. And all the good with him is only the legacy of Stalin !? request Or the threshold of Brezhnev ?! laughing It seems to me that the role of Khrushchev is not evaluated objectively. Personally, I believe that his behavior, sometimes on the verge (beyond) of the clownish in those difficult times, may have saved the country. Although the first thing that comes to mind when mentioning his name is, of course, corn! laughing But, in all honesty, who did not have her own "corn" ?! laughing And he had not only her!
              1. +2
                16 November 2018 11: 27
                Everything was ... Not for nothing Ernst the Unknown erected a monument to him in black and white!
              2. +2
                16 November 2018 15: 06
                ... however, Mikitka was clearly a Sumerian, arrogant, vindictive, vile opportunist ..
            2. +7
              16 November 2018 10: 39
              The most important thing is that Kuzkin’s mother was forgotten !!!
              1. +7
                16 November 2018 20: 59
                Excuse me, colleague !? But if the "bad Stalin" had not built all the medium machines, general machines, computers, the atomic project, jet aircraft and rocket technology, etc., etc., etc., then Gagarin and Kuzkina Mother would not have existed under any Khrushchevs. !
                1. -1
                  17 November 2018 08: 26
                  An interesting argument, we can continue: If Stalin did not get the Russian Empire (and Georgia, for example, lol) and the Russian people with its civilizational potential, then Stalin would not have a Ministry of Environment, a general, no atomic construction, or Yuri Gagarin.
          2. +5
            16 November 2018 08: 59
            There is no agreement, since Japan refused to expel the Americans with their bases.
            1. -7
              16 November 2018 09: 44
              and should not have
            2. 0
              16 November 2018 21: 00
              They told you openly: - Kemska volost? Take it !!!
          3. +6
            16 November 2018 13: 15
            Boris55 (Boris) Today, 07: 41
            The agreements are valid regardless of the name of the head at the moment. They are accepted on behalf of the state, not on behalf of a specific person.

            Well, what "agreements" do you think are in force today?
          4. +3
            16 November 2018 15: 04
            You are encroaching on the holy principle of a democratic state !!!!!!!!!!!!!! The agreements of the previous administration are not valid under the current one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore, as V.I. Chapaev - "Don't give a damn and forget".
            1. 0
              16 November 2018 21: 03
              You tell this beautiful Putin! He competes with Mishka, who will give more to the neighbors! There, in the cremole, apparently they believe that the de power will NOT DISAPPEAR !!
          5. +6
            16 November 2018 15: 33
            Boris55
            The agreements are valid regardless of the name of the head at the moment

            What arrangements are you writing about, Boris? On agreements to consider the issue on the basis of certain agreements adopted on the basis of previous agreements?
            The tale of a white bull, about nothing.
            Khrushchev did not give anything to the yupps - let's see how it will be with Putin.
        2. +1
          16 November 2018 19: 40
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          PS And what is demand from Khrushchev now? Alas...

          How is this what kind of demand ?? Yes Easy. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation as the legal successor of the CPSU, by its congress, makes a decision on recognizing party decisions under Khrushchev as erroneous as not meeting the needs of the country and the tasks of the Party. That the cult of Stalin was revived, and an agreement with Japan is the work of a traitor.
        3. -1
          17 November 2018 20: 43
          And so things were done without the approval of the people. Hold a referendum on the transfer of the islands of Japan, in my opinion this is fair.
      2. -29
        16 November 2018 08: 35
        Quote: Boris55
        If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ...

        Why Putin, and why not Khrushchev? It was in his reign such a decision was made? Khrushchev put the same on international agreements and put us in the unequivocal position in which we are dosihpor.

        Well, because people want it so much! I just want to call Putin again! How is it there ... -
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... this is without options ... I used to be neutral towards him ... but now the foundation of our existence is being touched

        Do not blame the Communists ?! Well, that you have the right word on the holy encroachment !!!
        Putin hasn’t said anything yet. Not only that, the Soviet - Japanese Declaration does not spell out very important issues and we need to look ... Should we see this document as the basis for signing the peace treaty and the negotiation process itself? If we talk about the possible benefits of signing an agreement, then it is more likely than not. And precisely because Japan and the United States have such wonderful relations! However, these lands for the Japanese will clearly outweigh any hugs and kisses with the Americans in a hickey! You just need to calmly look and weigh ... Only calmly.
        1. +43
          16 November 2018 09: 08
          Do not blame the Communists ?!
          Let's scold. The Communists incidentally shed blood for these islands. And not in small quantities. And thus we, the descendants, planted a pig. So to speak, an apple of contention with good neighbors. But the great sun-faced will correct all this misunderstanding. You just need to return with apology these worthless islands, just a couple of pieces, for starters. And everything will work out. Well, with China, there is experience, everything worked out. Norway, too, gave a little puddle unnecessary, now brothers forever. By the way, Russia has a lot of disputed territories. And they all prevent us from joining a large, strong international family. How many perspectives? Komunyaki and Kaliningrad were taken from the peaceful German people. After all, the benefit must be returned
          from signing the contract, it is more likely than not.
          . Well, really, let's get everything back to everyone. There will remain a dozen regions around Moscow and that’s all. They owe nothing to anyone. Everyone loves and respects us.
          You just need to calmly look and weigh ... Only calmly.
          1. -20
            16 November 2018 10: 43
            Quote: Vlad 63
            Let's scold. The Communists incidentally shed blood for these islands. And not in small quantities.

            This is called the purest populism! Let me remind you in this case, dear comrade, that back in 1772 the Russian authorities took the Kuril Islands under the control of the chief commander of Kamchatka. In 1786, Catherine 2 issued a decree on the protection of land rights by Russian navigators open. According to the Shimodsky treatise of 1855, the border was established between the islands of Iturup and Urup. According to the St. Petersburg treaty of 1875, Russia transferred the rights of Japan to all 18 islands in exchange for the Japanese part of Sakhalin. Do not tell me the Communists had something to do with all this ?! No. They just wanted to return 2 islands to Japan in 1956. Moreover, they did everything for this documented! And now you are writing with such pathos about these exploits?
            Quote: Vlad 63
            And they all prevent us from joining a large, strong international family. How many perspectives? Komunyaki and Kaliningrad were taken from the peaceful German people. After all, the benefit must be returned

            I wrote about something like that somewhere ?! I suggested returning something? Who are you talking to comrade ?! With a mirror?
            Quote: Vlad 63
            Well, really, let's get everything back to everyone. There will remain a dozen regions around Moscow and that’s all. They owe nothing to anyone. Everyone loves and respects us.

            About everything we will return to you before you get excited with noble indignation, compare the political maps of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and then the Russian Empire and the Russian Federation. So, decide on the conclusions of who gave what and in what years!
            Quote: Vlad 63
            The Communists incidentally shed blood for these islands.

            Yes, the blood shed and members of the Communist Party. However, incomparably more they were ordinary Russian non-party people! Well, the communists had nothing to do with the discovery and accession of these lands to Russia, due to the complete absence of such lands in 1786!
            1. +14
              16 November 2018 12: 22
              This is called the purest populism! Let me remind you in this case, dear comrade, that back in 1772 the Russian authorities took the Kuril Islands under the control of the chief commander of Kamchatka. In 1786, Catherine 2 issued a decree on the protection of land rights by Russian navigators open. According to the Shimodsky treatise of 1855, the border was established between the islands of Iturup and Urup. According to the St. Petersburg treaty of 1875, Russia transferred the rights of Japan to all 18 islands in exchange for the Japanese part of Sakhalin. Do not tell me the Communists had something to do with all this ?! No. They just wanted to return 2 islands to Japan in 1956. Moreover, they did everything for this documented! And now you are writing with such pathos about these exploits?
              And even earlier, these islands belonged to dinosaurs, can they negotiate? The point is that at the moment these two islands belong to the Russian Federation, thanks to the very communists. And according to you, they did everything to transfer them to Japan. What have you done? They made a declaration written in general terms, it is not clear what is being discussed: either the transfer of the islands of Japan for long-term lease for economic activity, or the transfer of sovereignty over the islands from one country to another. It's all? And the situation was such that it was necessary to carry the Yankees from Japan to their homes in exchange for these 2 islands. Not fused.
              About everything we will return to you before you get excited with noble indignation, compare the political maps of the Russian Empire and the USSR, and then the Russian Empire and the Russian Federation. So, decide on the conclusions of who gave what and in what years!
              . Ok looked.
              1 Total area of ​​the Republic of Ingushetia in 1866 (before the sale of Alaska): 23 km / sq.
              2 The total area of ​​the Republic of Ingushetia in 1914 (the beginning of World War I and the end of eastern Russia) 21 km / sq.
              3 Total area of ​​the USSR in 1990: 22 402 200 km / sq.
              4 Total area of ​​the territory of the modern RF: 17 098 246 km / sq.
              1. -11
                16 November 2018 13: 29
                Those. in other words, the USSR only grew by territories and was larger than the Russian Empire? What can I say? Apparently you know how to use the Internet, right? Well, why juggle something or you have such a bad opinion of people reading your writings? Area RI 22430004, USSR 22 404 200. This is quite official data and there are a lot of sources for this! I don't even want to argue with you on this topic. It's crazy to say the least not to know such well-known things. When you call real numbers, you don't need to cunningly indicate any time frame. Really, comrade? The Russian empire not only surpassed the USSR in area, it surpassed the quality of land. The lands lost by the Bolsheviks lay in Europe. Can this be compared to the "conquest" of the empty Wrangel Island? Maybe you don’t understand? Well, you can quite simply the USSR is minus Finland, Poland and part of Armenia, plus half of Sakhalin, Tuva and the Kuril Islands. This is me abstract, so as not to overload you.
                Quote: Vlad 63
                The point is that at the moment these two islands belong to the Russian Federation, thanks to the very communists. And according to you, they did everything to transfer them to Japan. What have you done?

                On October 19, 1956, the Soviet - Japanese Declaration was signed in Moscow. December 8 ratified by the Supreme Council of the USSR and the Government of Japan. The main point of this document was the transfer to Japan of the islands of Shikotan and Habomai after the signing of the peace treaty. I am sincerely sorry that you do not know this either. The situation was such say ... Funny! Now is it not otherwise the era of mercy and goodness has come?
                1. -13
                  16 November 2018 15: 13
                  ... the big men in 1918 wanted to make all the women common ...
                  1. +8
                    16 November 2018 15: 18
                    Yeah. Even their horns grew and their tails were hidden in their red revolutionary trousers.
                    1. -3
                      17 November 2018 08: 36
                      ... you know this topic badly ..., attempts to create such communes were, even in the * virgin soil * raised by Sholokhov, there is a mention .., and the Jewish Cheka actively * used * the women to arrest them ..
                2. +8
                  16 November 2018 15: 52
                  Detective
                  When you call real numbers, you don’t need to slyly indicate some kind of time frame. Really, comrade?

                  True, Mr. good. It follows from this that the current RF, under the Vlasov tricolor, has profucated many territories
                  The Russian Empire ... surpassed the USSR ... in terms of land quality. The lands lost by the Bolsheviks lay in Europe

                  The USSR also exceeded the current Russian Federation in land quality. The lands lost by Yeltsin / Putin lay in Europe.
                  And, yes, they also threw the lands to China.
                3. +8
                  16 November 2018 16: 04
                  Quote: Detective
                  it was superior in quality to land. The lands lost by the Bolsheviks lay in Europe. Can this be compared to the "conquest" of the empty Wrangel Island? Maybe you don't understand anyway? Well, you can quite simply the USSR is minus Finland, Poland and part of Armenia, plus half of Sakhalin, Tuva and the Kuril Islands. This is me abstract, so as not to overload you.

                  + a significant part of Poland from previously lost, + Kaliningrad region. And you upload. Your opponent does not seem stupid, not at all! You can argue for a long time! The Communists both gave (forcedly) and returned territories when the opportunity presented itself. You can talk about the loss of Alaska by the Russian Empire, you can recall which territory was actually under control at the time the Bolsheviks came to power. And all this will be true. You can pull facts to defend a particular position. But for now, a fact that worries: After the Communists, we voluntarily gave more than we acquired.
              2. -2
                17 November 2018 08: 36
                How did the USSR without Poland, Finland and Eastern Turkey turn out to be larger than the Russian Empire?
            2. 0
              16 November 2018 21: 09
              "Yes, blood was shed by members of the Communist Party. However, it was incomparably more simple Russians non-party people! "
              Let me remind you - you are our great-power nationalist, that in the Red Army / Soviet Army, all the peoples of our Great and Mighty Union served and fought! Wait a minute! If the memory is not okay !!!
              1. +3
                17 November 2018 23: 14
                Those who minus! Do you really think that ONLY RUSSIANS served and fought in the Great Patriotic War in the Red Army / Soviet Army?
        2. +3
          16 November 2018 19: 42
          Quote: Detective
          However, these lands for the Japanese will clearly outweigh any hugs and kisses with the Americans in a hickey!

          not outweigh.
          1. +9
            16 November 2018 21: 15
            Yes! They will not outweigh ... It will be a PURE victory over the Russian Federation, like Tsushima, and the entire land Russo-Japanese war of 1904-1905 (Mukden, Port Arthur) ...! Jubilation in Japan will have no limits and ... requests will increase, right down to Sakhalin! The appetite then comes with eating!
        3. +2
          18 November 2018 02: 22
          Putin hasn’t said anything yet. Not only that, the Soviet - Japanese declaration does not spell out very important issues and we need to look ...
          It is interesting to build the text, "Putin did not say" "We need to look" probably since HE did not say, then HE will look? Why do you attach us to decision-making?
          and we need to look ... To see whether to take this document as the basis for signing the peace treaty and the negotiation process itself?
          Who will let us see and make a decision?
          If we talk about the possible benefits of signing an agreement, then it is more likely than not.
          Correctly! Such as YOU, for the sake of the benefits of one or another, they distributed the sex of Russia. American tanks are in Narva.
      3. +4
        16 November 2018 08: 58
        No one obliges Russia to follow the decrees of the USSR if they were incorrect.
        1. +1
          16 November 2018 21: 18
          Not Russia! Russia in its entirety is the USSR! Do not take the undeveloped horizons! RF-it is up to Our RSFSR, it is still not so much !!!
      4. +1
        16 November 2018 10: 01
        Quote: Boris55
        The US said Japan would be neutral, but only on condition that Okinawa be American.

        good "neutrality", we do not need such neutrality
        1. +3
          16 November 2018 10: 31
          If Okinawa is American, then Alaska is Russian, you need to meet "partners" ...
    3. -5
      16 November 2018 08: 08
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country

      And if you do not agree?
    4. +29
      16 November 2018 08: 09
      Quote: The same Lech
      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... there are no options ...

      This has never happened before, and here again!
      . pass Japan about. Shikotan and the Habomai Islands. And this, I must admit, a very profitable compromise for us

      What??
      I will not be surprised that after this the phrase will appear that to transfer Siberia to China, saying that this is a very advantageous compromise for us! The main thing is to start, and the path of compromise ... it is endless.
    5. +25
      16 November 2018 08: 56
      It is not clear why one person manages the territory? Is it so written in the Constitution? Although coordination of this in the Council of Federations or the Duma does not play a special role - any paper will be tacked there.
    6. +12
      16 November 2018 09: 06
      Quote: The same LYOKHA

      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country

      belay but the fact that Putin gave Azerbaijan a settlement, and where did we really lose the border along the Amur River? and in Altai where the border "straightened" ??? you don’t want to hear it, for you it’s all fake.
      So, the Russian Federation is the successor of the USSR, and if in 56 they signed a declaration (do you consider traitors to those leaders of the USSR?), Then when Japan fulfills the conditions, we are simply obliged to transfer 2 islands of Shikotan and Hobomai, BUT one constraint is the complete absence of American bases throughout Yapov - do you think the Americans will leave? - but not when! here the islands will remain in our country
      1. +3
        16 November 2018 21: 25
        It won't be so! Putin will give up the islands for the "word" of the interim prime minister (Gorbachev, too, in the late 1980s, was "promised" a lot in the West!) !! And the Russian ambassador to Tokyo talks about it ("you have to give it back") ... read it and you will find it!
        Said: "- They will deceive you! You will release Abdula, they will return and kill you!"
    7. +27
      16 November 2018 09: 20
      I will consider him
      Why just now? Raising the retirement age, the situation in Ukraine, purchasing treasuries, white flags at the Olympics, all these are phenomena of the same order.
    8. +4
      16 November 2018 09: 25
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... there are no options ...

      Well, start to consider him a traitor. After all, China gave some islands.
    9. +1
      16 November 2018 09: 48
      Both the author of the article and the commentators forget one important circumstance, which, incidentally, was directly pointed out by our President, which suggests the low level of analytics.

      Namely, neither the 1956 Declaration, nor anywhere else has specified what is meant by the "transfer of the islands." Vladimir Putin directly, openly stressed this, moreover, he pointed out that the transfer of the islands does not mean the transfer of sovereignty over them.

      As one of the many possible options: the establishment of a special zone where Japan will have the most favored nation trading regime on these islands. At the same time, both the declaration is being implemented and the territories remain for the Russian Federation.
      1. +1
        16 November 2018 21: 28
        Fresh food, but, then, sir and tsya with difficulties!
    10. BAI
      +12
      16 November 2018 10: 01
      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... this is without options

      I recently saw an article here. Meaning - Putin has nowhere to go after leaving power. In the West they will not accept, but here they will devour. There is no worthy successor on whom he could rely and rely - he cleaned up the political clearing. This is in that article.
      And now to this article. If you give the islands - he will always be welcome in Japan, and even the States will not be extradited, especially Russia. An alternate aerodrome is planned, where you can spend a quiet old age in good conditions. Why not give up the islands?
      1. -8
        16 November 2018 10: 16
        Quote: BAI
        There is no worthy successor on whom he could lean and rely -

        Who told you that? And with whom he spends his vacation, did not notice? laughing

        1. BAI
          +26
          16 November 2018 10: 35
          Shoigu - 63 years old, Putin - 66. It is still unknown who will die before. In any scenario, the next presidential term (immediately after the current one) none of them will stand. Found a successor. This is a cemetery neighbor.
          1. -1
            16 November 2018 10: 36
            Quote: BAI
            This is a cemetery neighbor.

            Don’t worry, he will still survive us.
            By the way, do not remind how old Trump is? laughing
          2. -3
            17 November 2018 08: 42
            There is Rogozin young and quick.
      2. 0
        16 November 2018 21: 30
        As an option - unique! True, there is a second - the USA (friend-Trump).
    11. -11
      16 November 2018 10: 17
      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country.

      I think that he will certainly listen to your opinion. Dear .. You would run for power, you have some kind of support .. chase awesome, solid pluses .. not like Putin.
    12. +1
      16 November 2018 10: 21
      Yes, that's right. But you can’t imagine how much he will be on it ....
    13. +12
      16 November 2018 10: 25
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... there are no options ...

      If he gives the islands, then he will reset all the results of the Second World War. This is not just betrayal, but treachery and oath-crime.
    14. +2
      16 November 2018 10: 30
      Kuzovkov’s article is a gobbled lie, and his empty speculations laughing
      I listened to Putin at a press conference in Singapore from start to finish. Putin did not say anything about the transfer of the islands of Japan, nor about studying this proposal by Japan. He told the story of the issue, recalled that Japan officially refused to implement the 1956 Declaration, and in the 90s, our country announced the loss of the Declaration of Force. Now the Japanese have suggested returning to the Declaration, and that’s all for today.
      Moreover, Putin said that even the 1956 Declaration did not provide for the transfer of sovereignty to Japan over the two islands, only for the transfer of the islands. Apparently, we are talking about the old idea of ​​joint economic use, which the Japanese also refused.
      So do not pump up from scratch.
      1. +2
        16 November 2018 21: 33
        Naivety (yours, in this case) is the first sign of stupidity! Sorry for being rude. Everything is visible and audible, and there is no need to read between the lines! In addition, Putin’s ambassador to Japan ejects the same defeatist songs.
        1. 0
          17 November 2018 14: 05
          Everything is visible and audible, and there is no need to read between the lines!
          The author correctly writes that there is no economic benefit, if the Japanese really wanted to, they would have invested in Russia for a long time.
          So it’s not a matter of economics, the Japanese can even fight with us if they really don’t want to, so why the hell is this topic with the islands for us? There must be a reason?
          Apparently, these are American military bases in Japan. It seems that Japan, being formally at war with us (and in the absence of its own army), is not able to squeeze the Americans out of its territory, this can be done (in the absence of its own army) only with the help of someone else, for example, Russia (with whom it is formally absent peace treaty). The Japanese really want this peace treaty (in order to supplant the geldings that are not there to protect Japan, but for aggression against Russia, with all the consequences for Japan), but this treaty (perhaps intentionally) is linked to the islands.
          Putin says the agreement has not been finalized, i.e. the process will be lengthy, but the fact of the PROCESS and this duration already allow Japan (even if the peace treaty is not signed) to put pressure on the United States.
          In short, the negotiation PROCESS aims to squeeze amers out of Japan, which is in the interests of both Russia and Japan.
          And the islands as they were and will remain under our jurisdiction.
          1. 0
            17 November 2018 22: 54
            This analysis of yours, colleague, is quite entertaining! Without a shadow of sarcasm to you! Interesting theory! BUT!!! Alas, a few weighty facts would be good for this theory! For example: Abe insisted (at home) on a decisive infusion of business activity and financial investments into the RF FER. But this, alas, no, no, no. So, your theory is just a hypothesis without confirmation! If the Japanese really wanted this, they would not only "be friends economically" with the Russians, but also actively press the Yankees and their bases !!! Japan has no aspiration for MD, otherwise they would be active!
            1. +1
              17 November 2018 23: 36
              Abe insisted (at home) on a decisive infusion of business activity and financial investment in the Russian Far East. But this, alas, no, no, no.
              Well, so am I about the same. We will not get any economic benefit from the peace treaty (which implies, according to the Japanese, the transfer of the Ostrava to them) - the question is: what is the purpose of the negotiations to sign the peace treaty then? Should there be at least some benefit for us?
              Such a benefit for us can only be the withdrawal of American bases from Japan (we have enough American bases in Europe).
              Japan does not have aspirations for MD, otherwise they would have been active!
              They may not have much zeal for MD, but they have more than enough desire to protect their territory from Russian attacks (in the event of a military conflict between Russia and the USA).
              1. 0
                19 November 2018 17: 06
                ".... but they have more than enough desire to secure their territory from Russian attacks (in the event of a military conflict between Russia and the United States). "
                Excuse me, how can this protect yourself from Russian attacks ?? We live through the wall! And the second: the USA is legally present in Japan, as in Germany, because these countries who lost the Second World War and the expeditionary forces of the USA are winners there, and I won’t leave until the expiration of some agreements that Germany and Japan signed with them. Well, or with the complete destruction of the empire of the USA ...
                I have the honor!
      2. 0
        17 November 2018 10: 54
        Wait and see. Don't say gop without jumping over.
    15. -7
      16 November 2018 12: 39
      Lech, what if this agreement had been signed in 1972? You would L. Was I. Brezhnev considered a wise politician or an "enemy of the people"?
      In the 70s there were materials in the newspapers on the topic of the early conclusion of an agreement on the basis of the 1956 declaration. If you had signed it, you would have told us about the wisdom of Soviet politics and
      1. 0
        16 November 2018 19: 19
        Why cons, after all, at that time we stole everything to the leaders, what they did not say. Only then did we begin to understand what is what? Remember: Nikita "corn" in 1956 poured a tub of slop on Stalin and people "ate", and his promise: "In 1980 we will live under communism" and again they believed!
        We were accustomed to believe and obey.
        NOW THIS DOESN'T PASS NOW: WE DO NOT BELIEVE THE AUTHORITY. We are ready to believe in any vileness on the part of Vlas
        1. 0
          18 November 2018 02: 45
          "If only then signed" "Why cons"
          I personally put a minus for "if only, if only"
    16. +6
      16 November 2018 16: 22
      The question arises again: is there a body in the country that "looks after" the actions of high-ranking officials .. How can direct or hidden betrayal of these persons be excluded? A la Misha "marked" or Tolya red ... And also Boris loving to take on his chest ... Who could stop them ???
      1. 0
        16 November 2018 21: 40
        So they, as honorable saints, as honorable popes of Rome, as honorable mothers of Mary ... when in our country they arrested the leader of the country for treason? Those who write or pronounce sound thoughts are easily written into agents of foreign states! And further!!! And does anyone know that Borya Yeltsin signed a visit to the United States, I remember, more recently, the Yankees-inspectors sat at all of our nuclear cycle facilities ???
    17. +7
      16 November 2018 18: 47
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country.

      Yes, even a pederast. It makes him neither hot nor cold.
      1. -1
        16 November 2018 21: 41
        Correctly! He is preparing his own care. To cloudless distance, where his fellow tribesmen will not get it!
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      1. -1
        16 November 2018 21: 52
        Dear Colleague! So it is with Germany-FRG, neither our USSR, nor the RSFSR, nor the Russian Federation, there is NO Peace Treaty! Let me remind you that Germany, following the results of the Second World War, should do KU for us indefinitely, as the United States and Britain are doing so far! I do not understand, God forbid, from what the Russian Federation speaks EQUAL with the FRG ??? So it is with Japan! From what comrade. Putin combed it with this Peace Treaty? But from what: Putin is looking for "pension" protection! The West will not accept him (only in the United States, if Trump resists). And Japan is a real escape from punishment, for all his betrayals ... There, the "benefactor who returned the island" will be accepted, and even with a lot of money (according to the information of the USSR KGB veterans, Putin is the wealthiest man in the world.)
        1. -1
          1 December 2018 19: 57
          Quote: Pyotr Ivanov
          (according to veterans of the KGB of the USSR, Putin is the wealthiest man in the world.)

          Colleague, where does this wealthy man keep his savings, veterans will not tell? There is no agreement with Germany and it shouldn’t be - they signed unconditional surrender, agreed to all reparations and there were a lot of procedures and agreements that guarantee non-aggression! It’s a pity that my comment removed the damn, I do not remember what it was there, sorry!
          1. 0
            3 December 2018 14: 58
            Colleague! This is a person who does not keep his funds in the Savings Bank! On dummy accounts in foreign banking houses, and there are persons who "own" these accounts, this was done before him and before the village ...
    19. 0
      17 November 2018 10: 48
      All Russian tsars, including I.V. Stalin, only enlarged and strengthened the state, and the Khrushchevs, Gorbachevs, Eltsins (DMA was also a little lured) only squandered and destroyed the state. I would not want VV to become like these ghouls.
      1. +3
        17 November 2018 23: 24
        Judge by his deeds! Putin began by selling the KGB party, he is an Yeltsinist, a successor of Yeltsinism !!
        1. +1
          1 December 2018 20: 00
          Quote: Pyotr Ivanov
          Putin began by selling the KGB party, he is an Yeltsinist, a successor of Yeltsinism !!

          C'mon, don’t juggle please! EBN drank and squandered the whole country, distributed 262 mineral deposits over the hill, 256 of which the GDP returned to the state!
          1. -1
            3 December 2018 14: 52
            Not to the state! Myself darling, yourself! And to his friends - capitalist thieves. He wanted a number of metallurgical and other industry giants, for expensive, to gain access to the EU, but they didn’t give ... they saw through the capital-imperialist plans of the newly emerged, competitors from the capitalists of Refe. From this and embittered Grandma Tsarska Kuorolitsa ...
    20. +3
      17 November 2018 23: 33
      There is also the fact that this fact will be a review of the results of the Second World War and our concessions - which will be regarded as weakness. Even if not one Russian lives on these islands, these islands must be Russian.
  2. +41
    16 November 2018 05: 53
    Having given Shikotan, we will launch the reaction of rejection of the Russian lands. The Japanese won't stop there,
    They will require all the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin ... And in the world there are many others who want to bite a bite
    from Russia.
    PS Only who will ask us .....
    1. +6
      16 November 2018 07: 25
      Vladimir, maybe in this case the people will come to their senses? I mean the meme- "Well, there is no one else to vote for?"
      1. +2
        16 November 2018 07: 27
        Dima hi I understood your message ... Let's hope for the prudence of the People, not the "electorate"!
        1. +2
          16 November 2018 09: 08
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Let's hope for the prudence of the People, and not the "electorate"!

          the people will not ask anyone - how the pseudo-elites decide it will be so - and there will not be a popular rebellion
          1. +4
            16 November 2018 10: 22
            Of course it will not .. Further abuse in social networks will not come.
      2. -2
        16 November 2018 10: 18
        Quote: 210ox
        "Well, there is no one else to vote for?"

        And what, for whom?
      3. -3
        17 November 2018 10: 51
        Maybe all the same BB will change his mind.
    2. +1
      16 November 2018 10: 22
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Having given Shikotan, we will launch the reaction of rejection of the Russian lands. The Japanese won't stop there,
      They will require all the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin ... And in the world there are many others who want to bite a bite
      from Russia.
      PS Only who will ask us .....

      You are not alone in your fears. The Japanese opposition is also confused:
      On Thursday, leaders of all six opposition parties in the country held an emergency meeting and decided to call the prime minister in parliament as soon as possible to talk in detail about negotiations with Putin in Singapore:
      “We have very little information.
      "I want to understand whether it is a matter of returning the four northern islands or will there be a change of course in negotiations with Russia?"

      They are afraid that Abe will conclude a peace treaty without receiving the islands.
    3. -1
      16 November 2018 21: 54
      For any sane person - this is the most obvious evidence !!!
    4. -2
      17 November 2018 08: 55
      Even in the dashing 90s, the Japanese with the islands drove lips with promises. Right now, all the more, Putin in Singapore simply legally mocked the four-eyed.
    5. +1
      18 November 2018 19: 01
      So in the north and the Finns are waiting to restore justice ...
  3. +16
    16 November 2018 05: 53
    do not do this ! our people are patient, but there is a limit to all patience, and he will regard such a decision as betrayal and a manifestation of weakness! can and under the ass Putin give for such cooperation and all this oligarchy
    1. +12
      16 November 2018 07: 47
      Quote: Tlauicol
      can and under the ass Putin give for such cooperation and all this oligarchy

      In this case, the Rosguard created.
    2. +9
      16 November 2018 08: 15
      Under the ass? Who???! They have us as they want. Silent like a fish on ice. We have no one to organize and raise. And they themselves are inert.
    3. +5
      16 November 2018 15: 20
      our people are patient, but there is a limit to all patience, and he will regard such a decision as betrayal and a manifestation of weakness! can and under the ass Putin give for such cooperation and all this oligarchy

      You yourself are not funny? We have a contract army (mercenaries), no police, only the police (again paid), the so-called Rosguard (hired internal troops). They will be ordered and cleaned up for money. And they are commanded by quite such normal agents of influence of the West. Why? Money is stored in the West, children study and relax there. So the west controls them. Is that all, intelligibly?
      1. 0
        16 November 2018 18: 18
        Are you tired of repeating the liberal horror stories about Rosguard?
        Do you seriously think that if there were former explosives they would be "shy" to use force against us?
        What cops, what police, what soldiers, they are obliged to obey orders, and who commanded them before or now?
    4. 0
      16 November 2018 18: 20
      I would like to support you, but DOUBT: our people are inert
    5. 0
      16 November 2018 21: 56
      Rather, oligarchs with security guards and the military can drain it themselves! But the fact will happen!
    6. 0
      18 November 2018 02: 54
      can and under the ass Putin give for such cooperation
      Well, the people are unlikely, but from the "close circle" someone can take advantage of the error. The tsar thundered just like that to the fanfare.
  4. +20
    16 November 2018 05: 54
    The Japanese even promised that there would be no American bases, honestly and honestly. And here we must directly penetrate and believe.
    P.S. Tongue scratching not tossing bags!
    1. BAI
      +3
      16 November 2018 10: 06
      This is especially true when you consider that under an agreement with Japan, the United States places military facilities in Japan, you can say in a notification manner.
    2. +1
      16 November 2018 22: 14
      You can feel it, but Putin ... has already decided everything for himself! Try to influence him!
  5. +35
    16 November 2018 05: 56
    Well, yes, it will turn out for the GDP as with promises about pensions, such as the fact that he said that we would not give anything back for a long time, but now the situation has changed negative Once again we are convinced that the current leadership is ready to sell everything, not for money, but for very big money negative And they are to the leaders of the Soviet Union, oh how far am
  6. +17
    16 November 2018 06: 01
    Indeed, past achievements and undoubted achievements can easily be crossed out by cowardice.
    Well, I just can’t make out at least some kind of need here: are they pushing us to the wall ?! It's ridiculous!
    He himself said that we are not selling land on this very issue ...
    And if we are so disgraced - after all, this is actually an invitation to all good neighbors from Labus to China to new claims!
    Labeled style politics
    1. +7
      16 November 2018 09: 22
      past achievements and undoubted achievements
      were there merit?
      1. +1
        16 November 2018 17: 17
        Quote: Gardamir
        past achievements and undoubted achievements
        were there merit?

        Well, how is it: Crimea, it is rebuilding the army, the gold reserve is supposedly growing ...
        I myself cannot and do not want to understand "we are not there" - toothless tactics have been tolerated in Donbass, and everywhere in principle (from humiliation of the country at the Olympics, to wiping spits in our direction, even from sprats!) ...
        You know, somehow I thought about it all - I tried to compare it with the pre-war time, how Vissarionich was dragging out time and "did not succumb to provocations." But we are now MUCH weaker, and they are MUCH stronger ... Yes, we have a vigorous bomb, but it's not for nothing that we strained about their missile defense, hypersonic strike weapons, all of their thousands of axes and shock stealth UAVs ... "And so their number was large, that it had not yet been invented ... "
        Maybe it’s self-deception, but then I don’t understand at all if, in such circumstances, it’s also in Judas Headquarters, why haven’t they fucked up for us ?! And would Judas develop SPRN, air defense, Strategic Rocket Forces, VKS ?! Gold would be bought up (yes, late, yes - half measures, but we don’t borrow!).
        In short, for me, it looks more like "defense with withdrawal" - we retreat, we cough up blood, but we play for time on this Volokolamsk highway, and there, you see, Siberians will come up and drive away the enemy!
        I am not going to agitate anyone - I will not pomp on the ship; each with his own will be. hi
    2. 0
      16 November 2018 22: 19
      Putin desperately needs a shelter, away from his "homeland". He will give up several islands and become a national hero of Japan, just like Gorbachev did in the "united" FRG! And he will be accepted and protected! Well! Get Gorbachev in Germany !?
  7. +18
    16 November 2018 06: 04
    Excuse me, GDP, but if you give away the islands and the pogroms of the palaces of the oligarchs and EDR offices begin, I, too, will probably take a stone, although this is not at all in my style
    1. +4
      16 November 2018 08: 00
      Don’t worry. Nothing will start. Everything is more in the kitchens. But you won’t stone your kitchen furniture? I’m just going to give the people a damn about politics, their own state. People are busy with their problems, many are just surviving.
      1. +3
        16 November 2018 18: 10
        In this you are right. V. Vysotsky has a song: "Kanatchikova dacha" and he says that "there are few violent", but if applied to political reality. WE NEED AN ADEQUATE OPPOSITION LEADER and I assure you: we would have lived much better. In fact, YEDRiki EVERYTHING is doing so that the opposition will peck at them, but in reality the opposition exists only for appearance.
        Power is not afraid of the people!
        1. -3
          16 November 2018 22: 20
          Fears! And how!
          As a Bolshevik I declare.
    2. +1
      16 November 2018 15: 33
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Excuse me, GDP, but if you give away the islands and the pogroms of the palaces of the oligarchs and EDR offices begin, I, too, will probably take a stone, although this is not at all in my style

      Dumab, that if you decide to take part in such illegal activities, of course, you will quickly get acquainted with such a technical novelty, for example, recently purchased by the relevant structures as "The Punisher".
      1. 0
        18 November 2018 19: 19
        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        Dumab, that if you decide to take part in such illegal activities, of course, you will quickly get acquainted with such a technical novelty, for example, recently purchased by the relevant structures as "The Punisher".

        Donbass to you as an example. Parasha also thought that one could spit on people forever and with impunity. The situation is mirror. hi
    3. +2
      16 November 2018 18: 11
      Quote: Tlauicol
      o if you give the islands back and pogroms of the oligarch palaces and EDR offices begin

      nothing will start. As they were silent, they will be silent in a rag. They will wave their fists on the Internet and calm down.
  8. +11
    16 November 2018 06: 07
    But, on the other hand, this could be a game for the Russian audience: after all the government initiatives this year, the rating has to be treated with care.

    The deadline and judging by the recent "initiatives" do not care comrade. The first one wanted a rating. Of course, there are some undercover movements. The first is not Kukuruznik, who gave Port Arthur and Dalny for a sweet soul, and he remembers about the "guarantees" given by "common people" to our Gorby. Surely he demanded some kind of nishtyakov from the Japanese. But for whom?
    And we will, like "pike vests", discuss the next HPP in the style of "Gandhi came to Dundee", "Gandhi is the head and Dundee is the head".
    1. -2
      16 November 2018 22: 23
      Repeat
      Putin desperately needs a shelter, and away from his "homeland". He will give up several islands and become a national hero of Japan, just like Gorbachev did in the "type of united" FRG! And he will be accepted and protected! Well! Get Gorbachev in Germany !?
  9. +9
    16 November 2018 06: 13
    This is news, or a dream such as in a movie the king is not real
  10. +18
    16 November 2018 06: 19
    "If we are, in principle, ready to compromise in the territorial dispute with Japan ..."
    And who is "we" here?
    1. -11
      16 November 2018 07: 16
      Quote: samarin1969
      And who is "we" here?

      Author. This is him it seems:

      It seems we have the right to pre-announce ...

      Pitchfork on the water, yeah.
  11. +17
    16 November 2018 06: 19
    Probing public opinion has begun? And who got what buns for transferring the territories of the Barents Sea? Something no one is in a hurry to kiss us in places lower than the lower back in a fit of gratitude ...
  12. +4
    16 November 2018 06: 22
    I'm not surprised at anything ....
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 22: 25
      On this Putin and the calculation that the people will rub off!
  13. +14
    16 November 2018 06: 28
    but I can’t hear something of joyful screeching ... the king is always holding the all-galactic word given to a foreigner.
  14. +17
    16 November 2018 06: 28
    Mr. Putin, nobody asked you to squander our lands. Having given these islands to the Japanese, you expose the country and the entire Russian people to attack (American missiles will appear there).
  15. +12
    16 November 2018 06: 29
    Exchange, you see, is not the most equivalent ...
    ...... So we argue ... Only an interesting moment, before the signing of the 1956 Declaration, the Japanese promised a lot of nishtyaks to the USSR, but when they signed, they showed the national Indian hut, they called "figvam" ... they could not resist ... Therefore, a peace treaty was not signed even then ... if Russia signs a peace treaty, they will show it another Indian national hut ... Although, one gets the impression that the Kuril Islands will be given back, not now, so later ... As for investments ... they they will not be gratuitous, why invest in someone else's economy without receiving income? ... And it turns out that Russia will give up the islands and will pay extra for it ... And the American bases, as they were in Japan, will remain ...
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 07: 01
      The particle "not" before the word to argue, did not put it ...
    2. +1
      16 November 2018 18: 25
      I agree with you on all points: the watch knows how to promise beautifully, and to promise does not mean to fulfill
      1. +2
        16 November 2018 18: 37
        Good evening .. I remember EBN went to a meeting with the Japanese prime minister ... met with the people, asked directly in Vladivostok: are you going to take the Kuril Islands? .. The format of the meeting with the Japanese had to be changed .. to "We will not give up our native land, beloved Syracuse." ..
  16. Ham
    +4
    16 November 2018 06: 29
    to promise does not mean to marry ... since 1956 cotton wool is rolled and how many more will be rolled is unknown ...
  17. +10
    16 November 2018 06: 54
    Japan begs for the role of Cuba during the Caribbean crisis, but vice versa. The deployment of missile defense bases in Japan or on the islands immediately inflates the stakes to "no second of the Apocalypse", because the strategic balance is immediately upset with all nuclear countries in this region. The only gains are the Anglo-Saxons, who will again rake in the heat with someone else's hands in the hope of dodging flying ICBMs.
    In essence, the topic, all the "arguments" for the transfer of "unnecessary" islands - political fooling and giving away territories, as in his time Khrushchev distributed entire regions and the Crimea, as at one time Yeltsin gave away islands along the river borders with China, like ... Sorry, and this is YOURS, gentlemen in power, to distribute? Give away your palaces and foreign villas with islands. And with Japan you need to talk as with the vassal of the United States, that is, in no way. It is not an independent state, but de facto - occupied, like most European countries.
  18. +13
    16 November 2018 07: 07
    Dear! Forgive me generously!
    I understand that I will draw many cons.
    But. By the end of the 21st century, there will be no Russia. It will be crushed, sawn, sold, bought, in general, anything.
    But Russia, in our current understanding, will not exist!
    This is my strong conviction.
    With such rulers and ministers no enemies are needed. These enemies will only disturb them.
    Russia has never been on such an edge as it is now. And please, I do not need to give examples of Minin and Pozharsky, the Tatar-Mongol yoke, Tsushima, Napoleon, the Revolution, the Second World War, etc.
    Weren't these easy times? Yes, they were very much. But there was always a government that thought first of all about a power, and then about its own pocket.
    And now? The Kuril Islands is only the beginning.
    1. -1
      16 November 2018 09: 07
      Quote: Tashkent
      By the end of the 21st century, there will be no Russia.

      Dear, you are not original. You, the funeral of Russia, the legion.
      1. Ham
        +2
        16 November 2018 09: 17
        witness of the Brzezinski Sect ... the old Poles I remember giving a tooth and my mother swore that Russia would not be by the year 15 ...
        1. +5
          16 November 2018 10: 55
          He didn’t just swear. He worked on it.
          1. Ham
            +2
            16 November 2018 10: 56
            Quote: Roma-1977
            He didn’t just swear. He worked on it.

            all the better! a good enemy is a dead enemy ...
            1. +2
              16 November 2018 13: 14
              all the better! a good enemy is a dead enemy ... ,,
              and you just remember what the Union was and what the RF has become?
              1. -9
                16 November 2018 15: 39
                Quote: kotvov
                and you just remember what the Union was and what the RF has become?

                I remembered well - a poor, half-starved Soviet childhood, disgusting medicine, a deficit of everything - and a more or less normal life in modern Russia, what’s wrong?

                And yes, Putin - including my President! He is quite competent, and really knows what he is doing; let’s not forget, it was thanks to him that Crimea quickly and without blood appeared in Russia. And he relies on such a wonderful assistant as the current Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Kozhugetovich Shoigu - a decisive and adequate leader, a true Orthodox person and a true patriot of Russia.
                1. +9
                  16 November 2018 16: 33
                  USSR is a country of contrasts .. laughing laughing laughing My childhood, for example, was very well fed, despite the salary of my parents at 120 rubles. And hell, it was 1000 times more interesting than modern children constantly sticking out in gadgets .. Have you seen slingshots or pugach in children for a long time? Is someone building a raft on your lake?
                  And you say - poverty and six months .. tongue
                  1. -3
                    16 November 2018 23: 30
                    Quote: Tahtvjd2868
                    my childhood, for example, was very well fed, despite the salary of parents in 120 rubles.
                    I don’t know, I don’t remember any satiety, although both parents worked, I don’t remember their sn level and it was clearly not enough, while the products were in short supply.

                    Sovereign children have tons of great supergadgets, not the first computers that were a miracle. At the same time, it is relatively inexpensive - and most parents can buy them completely, and without any shortage.

                    Slingshots are quite seen - and even sold in hunting stores. Rafts - they do not build, right, since many have already become acquainted with water transport. And one trip to the Red Sea or somewhere else for the wonders of the underwater world replaces dozens of years on a village pond with a raft.
                2. +8
                  16 November 2018 16: 43
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

                  Mikhail Matyugin (Mikhail) Today, 15:39 NEW
                  -2
                  Quote: kotvov
                  and you just remember what the Union was and what the RF has become?

                  I remembered well - a poor, half-starved Soviet childhood, disgusting medicine, a deficit of everything

                  Lying.
                  1. -3
                    16 November 2018 23: 31
                    Quote: Sunflower
                    Lying.

                    Kostya, are you raving? I myself lived in the USSR and I remember everything perfectly. Or maybe your parents were fed from a special center and had departmental medicine in a special hospital? then yes, you probably had everything in chocolate.
                    1. +3
                      18 November 2018 00: 04
                      Father is an engineer, mother is a teacher. What special distributor are you talking about? In 80, my father was cut with a knife very hard. At first, in general, the hospital said: "Let the man die in peace." Operated in an ordinary city hospital, lived for another 36 years. I went to a sanatorium in the USSR every year.
                      Right now there was a poor childhood in the USSR? Little Misha had nothing to eat and went to school barefoot?
                      1. -2
                        18 November 2018 05: 45
                        Quote: Sunflower
                        What special distributor, what are you talking about?

                        Yes, about the fact that you are either consciously or unconsciously, but lying. Perhaps, to ourselves, in order to preserve a certain pink distant ideal of the USSR of your childhood, which they invented for themselves.

                        About medicine - just compare the level of medicine today and in the USSR (at least the same network of perinatal centers throughout the country - they did not dream CLOSE in Soviet times. And disposable syringes instead of one syringe or a "pistol" for vaccinations for the whole class?). A single case with your father proves nothing (here the obvious negligence of some doctors - and a normal doctor who did the operation well), you have to take the system. And yes, I have a lot of doctors in my family, so I quite know what I'm talking about.

                        About food - yes, it was extremely difficult. Such, for example, cyanotic skinny chickens, which were "thrown away" in the USSR, now simply do not exist, and there are plenty of products everywhere, while in the USSR there was a total shortage. Will you argue with this too?

                        In general, I recommend - if you want them to be modern, powerful, developed, well-off and completely free (whatever liberals say) Russia to return to the USSR - we ask you to go to North Korea or Cuba with Venezuela for favors, there you will fully return to the planned economy and all other charms Soviet society.
                      2. +1
                        18 November 2018 12: 44
                        I know about special distributors, but in order to eat and dress normally, a special distributor was absolutely not needed.
                        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                        Perhaps, to ourselves, in order to preserve a certain pink distant ideal of the USSR of your childhood, which they invented for themselves.

                        The USSR was not perfect, and I did not speak about its ideality. But the standard of living of the population and its social protection steadily increased (to the Tagged). In the Russian Federation, only social stratification and the number of billionaires are steadily increasing.
                        It is difficult for me to objectively compare medicine in the USSR and the Russian Federation - in Soviet times I lived in Grozny, in 1993 we left from there to the Krasnodar Territory (a small town-district center). Compared to the 90s, there is a wild shortage of doctors in the clinic. Young specialists do not last long - they leave for large cities.
                        Rosstat data:
                        HOSPITAL ORGANIZATIONS
                        2005 2010 2013 2014 2015 2016
                        Number of hospital organizations 9479 6308 5870 5638 5433 5357
                        of which non-state 293 224 233 246 245 266
                        of which the private form of s-ti … 115 143 166 180 205
                        Number of beds in hospital organizations:
                        total, thousand 1575,4 1339,51 1301,91 1266,81 1222 1197,2
                        per 10 population 000 110,9 93,8 90,6 86,6 83,4
                        So what about the rapid growth of medicine - again a lie. From district centers for any more or less serious reason, one must go to Krasnodar.
                        Disposable syringes appeared in the USSR. It is not necessary to make out of this a "victory of capitalism.
                        About the blue chickens. You were not allowed into cooperative stores and markets?
                        The "total" deficit is about 1990, the late Gorbachev.
                        I repeat the question: Little Misha had nothing to eat and went to school barefoot?
                        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                        In general, I recommend - if you want them to be modern, powerful, developed, well-off and completely free (whatever liberals say) Russia to return to the USSR - we ask you to go to North Korea or Cuba with Venezuela, you will return to the planned economy and all other amenities owls

                        1. I was born and raised in this country, I have citizenship. With what fright should I leave here? The request has not grown.
                        2. If you expel all those who disagree, you will remain in all of Russia - Putin and Peskov, Medvedev with the Government and the State Duma, and Kadyrov with protection. And Mikhail Matyugin, a journalist.
                        In total - 20 thousand.
                        3. Ukraine captured a Russian ship. Turks shot down a plane. Athletes have recently not been allowed to the Olympics. A powerful country that the whole world respects and fears.
                      3. -3
                        18 November 2018 13: 07
                        Quote: Sunflower
                        Compared to 90, today there is a wild shortage of doctors in the clinic.
                        Do not understand the banal difference between the level of development of medicine and a simple lack of personnel? To put it mildly, it shows you either as a person who does not understand basic things, or as a demagogue.

                        Quote: Sunflower
                        You were not allowed into cooperative stores and markets?
                        Kudryavenko you lived if you could constantly stock up in cooperative stores in Soviet times. Maybe they also visited "Birch"?

                        Quote: Sunflower
                        Disposable syringes appeared in the USSR. It is not necessary to make out of this a "victory of capitalism.
                        Where in the Kremlin hospital? And again - just compare the level of healthcare to the modern one and then, in 80.

                        Quote: Sunflower
                        I repeat the question: Little Misha had nothing to eat and went to school barefoot?
                        Do you think that it is enough for a person to have barely bought "for growth" shoes and barely catch something in order to be happy? then yes - you have a direct path to North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela, enjoy.

                        Quote: Sunflower
                        If you expel all those who disagree, you will remain in all of Russia - Putin with Peskov, Medvedev with the Government and the State Duma and Kadyrov with protection. And Mikhail Matyugin, a journalist.
                        No need to distort, comrade demagogue. No one offers to expel all non-proprietors. I just personally think that Russia during the reign of Vladimir Putin really transformed and reached a qualitatively new level of development, surpassing in many respects the indicators of the USSR. Look at the same agriculture - the USSR has never been an exporter of agricultural products in the last decades of its existence, and the Russian Federation has become one of the largest suppliers of agricultural products in the world.

                        And yes, for the plane shot down we quite adequately answered. If you do not know this, this is your problem. Erdogan was not just nearly crawling to Moscow on his knees.
                      4. +3
                        19 November 2018 14: 45
                        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                        Do not understand the banal difference between the level of development of medicine and a simple lack of personnel?

                        For 27 years, medicine as a science, of course, has gone ahead in comparison with 1991. The process of technological development cannot be stopped. But the development of medicine is not only the development of science and technology. The availability of medical care to the population should also grow. And the "simple shortage of personnel" in the periphery (in medicine) has long been chronic. Even you do not dispute the decrease in the number of hospitals in the Russian Federation.
                        Here are the achievements of Russian medicine in 1 picture:

                        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                        Kudryavenko you lived if you could constantly stock up in cooperative stores in Soviet times. Maybe they also visited "Birch"?
                        So the incomes of the majority of the population quite allowed to enter the market once or twice a week. We lived somewhat below average, but quite enough. There were no problems with work. I haven’t been to Beryozka, in my opinion, we didn’t have one in our city.
                        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

                        Quote: Sunflower
                        Disposable syringes appeared in the USSR. It is not necessary to make out of this a "victory of capitalism.
                        Where in the Kremlin hospital? And again - just compare the level of healthcare to the modern one and then, in 80.

                        Nevertheless, production began in the USSR. GOST 24861-91 "SINGLE APPLICATION INJECTION SYRINGES". Introduced instead of GOST 24861-81.
                        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                        Do you think that it is enough for a person to have barely bought "for growth" shoes and barely catch something in order to be happy? then yes - you have a direct path to North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela, enjoy.

                        1. Stop lying. There were clothes and footwear made in the USSR in stores. The mention of "Berezki" suggests that Misha just dreamed of imported rags, and his desires did not coincide with the capabilities of his parents.
                        2. Do you measure happiness by the number of shoes? This is a diagnosis.
                        3. Since you have already written "you" more than once, when addressing me, take a note: the pronouns "you" and "your" are written with a capital (capital) letter as a form of polite address to one person. "You" and "your" with a lowercase (small) letter should be written when referring to several persons.
                        It is also illiterate to write "Venezuela". Correctly - Venezuela, the full official form is the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela..
                        4. You again offer me to leave. And then there and then - "Nobody proposes to expel all those who disagree." Nobody offers, it's just that Misha has such an argument, and he doesn't follow his words. But it will look like the most frostbitten representatives of the Central Asian and Caucasian peoples in the early 90s.
                        "Dissent" is written without the letter "t". And in the profile - a journalist ...
                        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                        And yes, for the plane shot down we quite adequately answered.

                        For the pilots killed by the Turks, we at least avenged the tomatoes. And for "Nord"? IL-20? Athletes without a national flag?
                        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                        Look at the same agriculture - the USSR has never in the last decades of its existence been an exporter of agricultural products,

                        And the seeds are Monsato. And agricultural chemicals too. Plus the number of livestock decreased.
                        For this I will summarize. The dispute did not work out. The opponent believes in “if not Putin, then who,” knows that happiness is in the number of shoes. Semiliterate. Ability to discuss at the level - "welcome to North Korea or Cuba with Venezuela."
                      5. -1
                        20 November 2018 08: 44
                        Quote: Sunflower
                        And the "simple shortage of personnel" in the periphery (in medicine) has long been chronic. Even you do not dispute the decrease in the number of hospitals in the Russian Federation.

                        Yes, everything is simple - the demographic pit 90x makes itself felt by a shortage of personnel, is it not clear to you?

                        By the way, again you (human, for reference - "you" in formal communication and not in official correspondence is used simply in a generally respectful form, and "you" - when you show special respect to the interlocutor) show your lack of understanding of medicine. A decrease in the number of hospitals is not always a bad thing - why are there many hospitals, where there is a shortage of everything, in fact, just buildings and that's it. It is much more efficient to have fewer, but fully-supplied treatment centers.

                        We do not forget about improvements in the order of medicine in the field of care for newborns.

                        Quote: Sunflower
                        Nevertheless, production began in the USSR.

                        In the USSR, production began a lot of things. The question is only in the quality of the produced, and most importantly in the general accessibility for citizens. The planned economy was never able to become effective for general civilian needs, it could not give anything more than military-industrial breakthroughs.

                        Quote: Sunflower
                        That's right - Venezuela, the full official form is the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. .
                        Are you kidding me ? judging by the attitude of the leadership of this one of the poorest countries, Lat.America to its own citizens (essentially a forced stimulation of emigration) - this state can be called whatever you like, even if it is a potted republic, and everyone will understand it anyway.

                        Quote: Sunflower
                        For the pilots killed by the Turks, we at least avenged the tomatoes. And for "Nord"? IL-20?
                        Tomatoes? Well, well, I told you, if you don't know, then you don't have to meddle in serious issues. Do you mean by "Nord-Ost"? also paid off, do not worry. For the IL-20, speech is still ahead.


                        Quote: Sunflower
                        And the seeds are Monsato. And agricultural chemicals too. Plus the number of livestock decreased.
                        Yes, do not give a damn, the main thing is that the output effect is excellent. Once again - the USSR has never achieved such successes as modern Russia under Putin in the field of agricultural. And the presence of a large livestock did not at all mean the availability of meat and meat products in the USSR, so again all your fabrications are bypassed.

                        Once again, you made yourself a person who lives in a dream world, invented some kind of bright Soviet ideal for yourself - and you dream about it. The modern Russian reality, which we owe a lot to the policies of Vladimir Putin, is very good for those who did not feed on special distributors and departmental canteens in the Soviet era.
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      2. +4
        16 November 2018 17: 29
        Quote: Cheldon
        You, the funeral of Russia-legion

        The Union collapsed when there were many educated, veterans who believed in social justice and other good human qualities of people who were deceived that you expect from a liberal government managed by the IMF and who the hell knows who doesn’t hide the fact that he doesn’t need a smart and intellectual people, an oligarchic raw material top and gadget generation-greatness of Russia?
    2. BAI
      +2
      16 November 2018 10: 12
      But there was always a government that thought first of all about a power, and then about its own pocket.

      Then the situation was fundamentally different. Then the rulers knew that they would rule the state to the end, and then their children would be. And they thought that they would leave the children (this is in France - "After us, even a flood").
      And now they also think about their children. But since they have a limited time in power, they try to steal so that they have enough for themselves, their children and grandchildren. And when one "ruler" leaves, the new one starts all over again. Therefore - all do not bother.
    3. 0
      16 November 2018 22: 34
      Wait and see. I agree with you in many ways ... only in the Russian Federation young people studying Marxism are increasing every day ...
      The Bolshevik Communist Party is necessary for the archives, and then we will return Socialism and the Power of the Soviets! And Ilyich is needed !!!!
      "Give us a party of revolutionaries and we will turn this RI!" V.I.Ulyanov
    4. -1
      17 November 2018 08: 57
      Comrade need a bite.
  19. +5
    16 November 2018 07: 07
    And you GDP (as if a former Chekist) conquered these lands to give them now ?! Even for a peace treaty ?! amIt turned out to be a week! Either a redhead loomed on VO in the morning, then it was expensive to eat hinshtein in the dining room, and now the main one has fussed !!!
  20. -8
    16 November 2018 07: 55
    Quote: The same Lech
    If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... it is without options ... I used to be neutral towards him ... but now the foundation of our existence and the position and position of a person for me are being touched no longer matters.

    apparently a sample policy for you Chubais with a Gaidar
    1. -2
      16 November 2018 18: 09
      Neither Chubais nor Gaidar offered to squander the land.
      1. +3
        16 November 2018 18: 21
        Quote: Henderson
        Neither Chubais nor Gaidar offered to squander the land.

        and why, so they will take away while reducing the number of people who do not fit into the market fellow
    2. +1
      16 November 2018 22: 35
      So they are from the same sandbox! And this is strange to you ??? What a political myopia !!!!
  21. 0
    16 November 2018 08: 03
    What are you the author doing? I, of course, understand that you are sweetening the bitter pill as best you can, but you just read the reviews! Immediately on the forum, 90 percent of the sofas were waving checkers over the maps of the eastern borders, they did not hesitate in their statements, "ears from a dead donkey" were offered, not the Kuriles, and you are like this .... , at least in a weekly binge you need to enter, and then spread such assumptions!
    1. +5
      16 November 2018 08: 12
      Quite quickly, the U.S. military will establish its posts, surveillance tools and communications on the freshly-islands. Another serious problem for the CTOF command.
      1. 0
        16 November 2018 22: 37
        And don't go to Dr. Bormental ....
  22. +13
    16 November 2018 08: 14
    Do not worry so much for the darkest. He has a deadline on the gallery. Will leave, and Adyu. They are not held accountable for politics. There is no article.
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 22: 38
      There will be a new Special Group of Yasha Serebryansky in the Cheka! I’ll be the first to join there!
  23. -3
    16 November 2018 08: 24
    The article is about nothing, just to stir the minds. Solid "if only if only". By the way, the transfer conditions can be left unchanged - first, the conclusion of a peace treaty, Japan's official refusal of further claims and the withdrawal of American bases, and then ... but then we will give up the islands ... someday ... very very someday. It all depends on how much our rulers will look back on "world public opinion". And there they will be very much indignant at the camera, and in their hearts they will envy. Politics is a dirty business.
    1. +3
      16 November 2018 12: 54
      Quote: Less
      The article is about nothing, just to stir the minds. Solid "if only if only". By the way, the transfer conditions can be left unchanged - first, the conclusion of a peace treaty, Japan's official refusal of further claims and the withdrawal of American bases, and then ... but then we will give up the islands ... someday ... very very someday.

      In-in, the chicken is in the nest, the egg is in .... the chicken, and now the rooster's ear is being boiled. Personally, the situation with the statements reminds me of an episode from the movie "It Can't Be!", When they sold everything before the search and Grebeshkova says to Innocent:
      - Brother, and the money?
      - What money? Ah, money .... Then I will give it back .... maybe .... half ... .... (c)
      That's what the life-giving internet does. Send an idea, stir people up, and then use technical progress to evaluate the reaction of the population in networks. And do not run around the streets with a microphone, asking all the passers-by.
    2. -2
      16 November 2018 22: 39
      Either you are naive or a mocked provocateur of the Secret Service.
      1. vby
        0
        17 November 2018 09: 41
        And you are a shortcut master, however.
    3. 0
      17 November 2018 18: 50
      withdrawal of American bases
      Well, that’s what is the main thing, and for the Japanese first of all. American bases do not protect Japan, but rather endanger it (not so long ago they threatened to strike North Korea, the latter in response to Japan). Does Japan need this?
      In the event of a war with Russia, US military bases will be destroyed along with Japan. The world has become turbulent, and therefore it is extremely important for Japan to remove the Americans as quickly as possible, so as not to fall into the distribution themselves. But this is difficult to do without your own army. We need someone who would guarantee protection at first. This "who" is probably Russia. But this cannot be done without a peace treaty, and the latter in the minds of the Japanese is linked to the return of the islands. But this is already a problem for the Japanese, since Japan needs a peace treaty more than we do. So, no one will have to talk to anyone.
  24. -18
    16 November 2018 08: 27
    Dear forum users, The author has correctly written that the strategic and economic importance of these islands is small. In the case of the transfer, the question is rather reputational. For example, give the islands and get a couple of AUGs in return, why not. And about squandering, have we already forgotten about Crimea? We send one bottle, we get two, we send two, we get four. Such arithmetic suits me personally. Let's wait for the results, and then grab the stones, anyway, no one will ask us.
    1. +19
      16 November 2018 08: 47
      Quote: Xazarin
      For example, give the islands and get a couple of AUGs in return ...

      can give Medvedev with the government + Duma + SF and in return get a normal Russian government?
      Quote: Xazarin
      why not.
      1. +2
        16 November 2018 09: 13
        I like your train of thought)
        1. +9
          16 November 2018 09: 15
          Quote: Xazarin
          I like your train of thought)

          then put "+", not "-". Everything will be logical
          1. 0
            16 November 2018 09: 27
            For God's sake, at least 10+. And so I recall two Poles who divided the apple tree for thirty years.
            1. +5
              16 November 2018 09: 30
              Quote: Xazarin
              And so I recall two Poles who divided the apple tree for thirty years.

              Why do we need Poles? we don’t need that. just need to be sincere. if you make a mistake, sorry.
              1. +1
                16 November 2018 09: 36
                How is this not necessary for the Poles?) I remember when I was a schoolboy, they asked a question in a history lesson, "the third largest city in the Republic of Ingushetia according to the 1913 census." I got five a quarter, but you say no)
                1. +5
                  16 November 2018 09: 50
                  Quote: Xazarin
                  “The third largest city of RI according to the census of 1913”

                  for this the Poles cannot calm down. Today’s students are better off not asking such questions.
                  my first teacher once said: she asked the schoolchildren after whom the school was named (named after Z. Kosmodemyanskaya), so no one answered.
                  1. +3
                    16 November 2018 10: 26
                    That's exactly what bothers me much more than two shreds of sushi. The other day I watched two patriots discussing on the greatness of Russia, while chewing hamburgers from Grandfather MacDonald. Recently, there was a storm over the pension reform, I really thought all the forum users would go to the barricades. So what? Someone even went to a rally? A maximum of a couple of people is not a fact. Putting paper on slogans is a simple matter. They made a noise +/- they got into a Japanese car and went to American fast food.
                    1. +4
                      16 November 2018 10: 28
                      Quote: Xazarin
                      The other day I watched two patriots

                      I like the inscriptions on BMW and Mercedes - "To Berlin!" What did the owners mean by this? I can't understand!
                      1. +1
                        16 November 2018 10: 39
                        Well, I wrote "trophy")))
    2. 0
      16 November 2018 22: 42
      Since one of the towers of the cremole scans the reagash for the affairs of the lowest, let him know that for the most part the people are against any broadcasts! For the Yankees from Japan - DO NOT LEAVE!
      1. vby
        -1
        17 November 2018 09: 42
        Where will you leave?
  25. +7
    16 November 2018 08: 36
    Yes, I agree with the author's opinion that this is a wiring and that our leaders make not wise decisions. Especially the latter is now very relevant. Cynicism, mediocrity, low moral standards of those sitting on the top below the baseboard.
  26. +15
    16 November 2018 08: 44
    The Japanese have already promised that there will be no American bases in the Kuril Islands. in fact, he considers them to be his own! Is it a zrad or overdrive?
  27. -3
    16 November 2018 08: 50
    The author prepares himself in such a way that he has already believed that someone will be negotiating with narrow-eyed at all.
    For 60 years they did not agree and all do not care, including 99% of the Japanese, now they will take and scatter to solve a nonexistent problem.
  28. +1
    16 November 2018 08: 53
    "It is over Japan that the trajectories of Chinese and North Korean missiles, launching towards the United States, pass" It is highly doubtful. The trajectories follow the shortest route through the Far East, possibly Kamchatka. So the US missile defense will shoot down these missiles over the territory of the Russian Federation
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 22: 44
      It is absolutely possible!
  29. +2
    16 November 2018 08: 56
    Yah! Chur me! Can not be!
    But, if "Yes", then I feel sorry for the Motherland!
    Or this news can be attributed to "probing" ...
  30. +11
    16 November 2018 09: 07
    My opinion: in no case give, this is Our Earth, we fought for it. Is this territory important (minerals, the possibility of deploying military bases, etc., etc.) or not important, this is our territory.
    Yes, even the garbage there, it's mine and mine do not touch! Lost the war - get what you deserve! Otherwise, then the Fritz will also want to chop off Kaliningrad and so on and so forth, God forbid, inside the country the insanity about independence will begin. In no case give the Japanese, and other countries nothing. Walk through the forest.
    "Why are you squandering the state lands, you won't have enough of any volosts!" Remember? Exactly so. Go through the forest, this is our Earth.
  31. +5
    16 November 2018 09: 13
    We do not need foreign investment. It is necessary to maintain and enrich the internal.
    1. +7
      16 November 2018 10: 59
      Yes, there were no investments either in the USSR or in the Russian Federation! There were loans or joint projects, enslaving for Russia, and nothing more. How much will this "our" government lie? And how infinite is the patience of the people?
  32. 0
    16 November 2018 09: 46
    If you decide to give the islands, then there will be serious bargaining with the Japanese, rather, in the economic sphere, the Americans from Japan will not definitely leave
    1. +1
      16 November 2018 22: 48
      Yankees in Japan - no negotiations! Yes, and this bestiality, to give their territory according to Wishlist to their neighbors! It will be for the Japanese - a victory over the Russian Federation, like Tsushima, Mukden and Port Arthur !!!!
      AND EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD WILL BE SAID: But the Russians just did not shoe the lazy !!!!
  33. +10
    16 November 2018 09: 48
    In any case, no one will explain anything to us and the referendum as well as the pension robbery will not be conducted, we did not work out intellect, according to Putin.
    1. +3
      16 November 2018 11: 01
      It will be so if we confirm this error of the guarantor. But I'm sure the people will wake up!
      1. -2
        16 November 2018 22: 50
        Rot Front, comrade!
  34. +8
    16 November 2018 09: 54
    it’s strange that Boris55 didn’t enlighten people - according to the Constitution, the federal government (read: the President) should not consult with anyone, transferring land to anyone else — including the authorities of that entity whose lands are being transferred to another country.
    As it was, when the Chinese were given the islands on the Amur River in the Greater Ussuri region together with the dachas, the locals ran, screamed, tried referenda, but they shut them up in two, they shouted and sat on that pope.
    Lavrov had previously said that the Russian Federation would recognize the 1956 Declaration (there is not a word about the withdrawal of American troops, by the way).
    Putin found himself in almost complete diplomatic isolation, it was uncomfortable for him, so the decision to exchange land for a partial breakthrough of this isolation was suggested.
    It is highly doubtful that this will lead to any kind of economic investment - those who wanted to have already invested, and the rest will be afraid of American sanctions.
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  35. +9
    16 November 2018 09: 55
    It was always not clear to me why the Winner country owes something to someone? The leadership wrinkles their brows, makes a meaningful expression "we are better versed in geopolitics." Perhaps best, rather better, but still, who is the Winner country ...
    1. +8
      16 November 2018 11: 07
      Geopolitics and these !? - It’s very easy to fool a country for candy wrappers.
  36. +2
    16 November 2018 10: 06
    Kemska volost?
  37. 0
    16 November 2018 10: 06
    Or maybe Putin will open a candlelight on these islets when he retires or catches a fish
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 22: 52
      Rather escapes to Japan!
  38. +9
    16 November 2018 10: 07
    Secondly, the military-strategic importance of these islands is greatly exaggerated. If nearby, in a few kilometers, there would not be a bulk of Hokkaido Island, on which at least ten military bases can be located, the question would be of fundamental importance. But in this case, perhaps, anxiety is unnecessary - we already have something to fear there.

    At first glance, looking at the map, it seems to be okay. But history shows that the losing side has to give way in the future.
    Therefore, no concessions, they are disastrous for Russia. But it is necessary to develop the islands, that’s what the authorities of the country need to think about, since they are such guardians for the good of the people.
    And if they decide to transmit, then only through a nationwide referendum. All other options should be equated to a state crime.
  39. -2
    16 November 2018 10: 22
    Habomai is still there, but Shikotan is a pity ... Rather, they will only rub about Habomai ... Well, with certain conditions, towards the Japs.
  40. 0
    16 November 2018 10: 25
    Viktor Kuzovkov does not need to make foolish things. Maybe he doesn’t like Putin (why, really, why?), But he still shouldn’t slip into frank lies. Not one Kuzovkov listened to Putin's speech at a press conference in Singapore. Putin said nothing about the transfer of the islands to the sovereignty of Japan, not all, not one. On the contrary, he clearly said that even the 1956 declaration did not provide for the transfer of sovereignty over the two islands of Japan, that is, it could be a matter of joint management.
    Moreover, Putin also told the story of the issue: Japan, after ratification of the 1956 Declaration, officially announced its refusal to implement it, and in the 90s, our country also announced the loss of the Declaration of Force and our refusal to implement it. Now, Japan has proposed returning to the document that Russia needs to study. That's all, nothing else was said.
    Putin previously said that any Russian leader who will trade in its territory will become a traitor to the state with corresponding consequences.
    Kuzovkov’s article is his personal interpretation based on his opinion, but this is a fact of Kuzovkov’s biography laughing
    1. +3
      16 November 2018 18: 05
      Quote: av58
      Putin previously said

      Previously, Putin also talked a lot about pensions.
      "your words are empty promises" (c).
      1. +2
        17 November 2018 02: 10
        Then go have a beer "Gosser" laughing
  41. +11
    16 November 2018 10: 35
    Drive Putin in the neck and quickly. Medvedev Norwegians territory rolled off. this one has already given part to the Chinese. Now Japan is in line. Then the crowd will all run. Drive and as fast as possible ...
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 22: 54
      Drive ... best in Lefortovo!
  42. +7
    16 November 2018 10: 41
    I hope Putin’s guards turn out to be patriots and shoot him when they see that he is signing an agreement. )))
    1. +1
      16 November 2018 22: 55
      So, why didn’t these gunmen shoot Gorbachev when he surrendered Our country on a cruiser near Malta?
      1. vby
        -1
        17 November 2018 09: 46
        Where have you been, sorry?
        1. 0
          17 November 2018 23: 02
          If Igor’s question is for me, then:
          At this moment, I definitely did not ensure the safety of Gorbachev at the range of a pistol shot! Anyway, you probably can not imagine the system of physiological protection of VIPs.
          I have the honor!
  43. +5
    16 November 2018 10: 42
    You can’t pass anything to the Japanese! I do not even say that this will set a precedent. There are plenty of countries ready to claim our territory. This is very dangerous for our security in the Far East. The access of the Pacific Fleet to the Pacific Ocean, the full protection of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is of strategic importance to us. The strategic ally of Japan is the USA. Japan cannot be trusted. And we are still deceived, as always. American bases or medium-range missiles may appear on the islands. If that happens
  44. +12
    16 November 2018 11: 19
    Even 15 years ago, I crept in the thought that Putin was recruited while serving in Germany. All these years, he skillfully braked the country as best he could, tell the army raised .... is it really so. And now, when the deadline has passed, he just did not hesitate to begin to merge everything ...
    1. +1
      16 November 2018 22: 57
      The first to betray and leave the Office!
  45. +5
    16 November 2018 11: 20
    Fucking me a relationship with smelly Japan. In addition, contracts are now worthless.
    But the fact that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will be an internal puddle ... this is a serious betrayal.
  46. +2
    16 November 2018 11: 29
    The 1956 treaty went down in history immediately after one of the parties renounced it. To appeal to him, to put it mildly, is incorrect. Other times, other countries, other conditions, etc.
    If a peace treaty is so necessary, then it is enough to prescribe one clause in it that the parties do not have territorial claims to each other.
    Hopefully, BB is rejecting the Japanese in their traditional style: "Come tomorrow."
    1. -2
      16 November 2018 15: 01
      you are wrong, Lavrov confirmed his competence given already.
      1. +2
        16 November 2018 18: 23
        Quote: Avior
        you are wrong, Lavrov confirmed his competence given already.

        Or maybe Lavrov is wrong?
        1. +2
          16 November 2018 19: 18
          he is an official minister just for such statements
  47. +11
    16 November 2018 11: 49
    In the early 90s, I was on the fishing line when Boriska tried to give up the islands to Japan in a drunken shop, they got a radio to quit fishing and follow to Sakhalin, at night they approached and there the entire fishing fleet gathered about a hundred ships, all including searchlights and sent them to the island in protest. "Boriska" apparently got drunk and changed his mind about giving up the islands. Now everything is repeating itself. Judas Shevardnadze presented the most fishing triangle in the Okhotsk Sea. will reach for you.
  48. -10
    16 November 2018 12: 45
    So China means Damansky could have been given by solving a territorial dispute, but we can’t influence the Japanese islands that will not affect our interests? why? it is clear that Putin will squeeze money from them for the development of the Far East ... is this bad? well, to hell with nothing meaningful islands if we really need them and they are ready to give it all up, if it were not for the interests of Japan, no one on the site would remember their existence
    1. +2
      16 November 2018 18: 02
      comrade propagandist, log in
    2. +6
      16 November 2018 18: 35
      Quote: mashinist
      China means Damansky could have given up resolving a territorial dispute

      Do you think China no longer has territorial claims?
      it’s clear that Putin will squeeze money from them for the development of the Far East ...

      All that Putin managed to develop was the Olympics and the World Cup. But they are already over.
      Quote: mashinist
      well what the hell are insignificant islands

      Why the hell then the whole Far East. It’s far, cold from Rublevka, the territory in the north is uninhabited. It is more profitable to sell. Let the Chinese-Japanese-Americans torment. So what?
  49. +6
    16 November 2018 12: 47
    It is not about kvass patriotism; the concern is another.
    The normal leader of a normal country for these one and a half islands would have raped from the Japanese both one and the other, and the third, and a little more. And Gauleiter will give Pyna in such a way that the Russians also have to get japs.

    Natural resources
    On the islands and in the coastal zone, industrial reserves of non-ferrous metal ores, mercury, natural gas, and oil have been explored. On the island of Iturup, in the area of ​​the Kudryavy volcano, there is the richest mineral deposit of rhenium known in the world [18] [19]. It is thrown from a volcano with fumarole gases along with dozens of other non-ferrous rare and noble metals [20] Here, at the beginning of the 1867th century, the Japanese mined native sulfur. The total gold resources in the Kuril Islands are estimated at 9284 tons, silver - 39,7 tons, titanium - 273 million tons, iron - 21 million tons [XNUMX]. Currently, there are not many mining developments.
    1. +1
      16 November 2018 23: 04
      Dear Colleague! The speed of development of the situation after the signing of the so-called. The Peace Treaty (the necessity and expediency of which is not understood by anyone in the USSR and the Russian Federation) amazes me. You don't find this topic being woken up on purpose! And it seems to me that this is why: Putin needs a shelter, away from his "homeland". He will give up several islands and become a national hero of Japan, just like Gorbachev did in the "united" FRG! And he will be accepted and protected! Well! Get Gorbachev in Germany !? So it is with this future defendant!
      1. 0
        17 November 2018 18: 07
        Do not worry about Pynya, he will definitely bargain for something ... and the "Russians" are nothing at all, a mythical community ...
  50. -9
    16 November 2018 12: 50
    Better 10 years of negotiation than 1 day of war.
    1. +11
      16 November 2018 13: 40
      If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it receives both war and shame.
      Winston Churchill
      Better not say.
  51. +10
    16 November 2018 13: 31
    Even drunken Yeltsin did not allow himself to give up these islands. We lived without that agreement for 70 years, why is it suddenly needed now?? Well, the bases on Shikotan are 100 km closer to our waters. It will be easier for the Amers to control the exit of Russian ships from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. So transferring the islands is stupidity, if not betrayal..
    1. +1
      16 November 2018 23: 06
      Not stupidity, but calculated betrayal!
    2. 0
      19 November 2018 14: 06
      He almost gave them away. They gave him a slap on the wrist just in time.
  52. +9
    16 November 2018 13: 39
    It is amazing how easily the head of state discusses some kind of “transfer of territories” to Russia with the enemies of our country, and the worst ones at that. I understand that there is Eastern wisdom, philosophy, all sorts of martial arts built on this, they just sit in the head. But he is a Russian man. How is this possible? It’s so easy to excite people with talk of the imminent transfer of several islands of the Kuril chain. Did he fight for them, did he join them? Where is the Federal Assembly? Why hasn’t a ban been introduced at the legislative level to even think about transferring Russian territories to anyone? First the Chinese, then the Norwegians, now the Japanese? Straight up Mahatma Gandhi 2.0.
  53. +9
    16 November 2018 13: 44
    As is known from age-old folk wisdom, a wild predatory fur-bearing animal, the scribe, sneaks up unnoticed. And the most important thing is that, together with the islands, Japan, according to international maritime law, will receive ownership of a sea area around each island with a radius of 700 nautical miles = which means that the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be our closed inland sea and they will have the full legal right to swim there American nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers. It is very important that deep-sea straits for our nuclear-powered ships to enter the Pacific Ocean are only near these islands, and our northern fleet will be locked by the Americans in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and quickly destroyed in the event of a war that could start due to the smoldering conflict in Ukraine.
  54. Cat
    +7
    16 November 2018 13: 59
    Why give it away at all? Does the Russian Federation desperately need a peace treaty with Japan? We lived without it for more than 70 years - and now we suddenly have an urge?
    1. +4
      16 November 2018 14: 15
      Why give it away at all?
      Business is nothing personal. There is no discussion here yet of why he was so frightened that he annexed Transbaikalia to the Far East. Give the Chinese something.
      1. Cat
        0
        18 November 2018 15: 40
        Give the Chinese something.

        Their trunk is from a Siberian bear fellow
    2. 0
      16 November 2018 23: 10
      This is what many people care about! Gorbachev the “unifier” lives in Germany and will not be extradited from there! So Putin is going to Japan, where he won’t be extradited on his business!
  55. -5
    16 November 2018 15: 02
    Somehow it seems to me that even if the GDP sells a dead fly to the cross-eyed, it will take seven skins for it.
    1. 0
      17 November 2018 22: 21
      Yes, sure. Now these skins, including tiger skins, are exported to China, along with the forest.
  56. +3
    16 November 2018 15: 10
    Didn't Gorby teach you anything?
  57. +6
    16 November 2018 15: 18
    Quote: Faceless
    transfer of islands does not mean transfer of sovereignty over them

    Enchanting question babbling! Enchanting!!!
    The most striking qualities of a PR fighter should be a lack of reflection, incredible adventurism and a tendency to lie. This together can break any framework of the opponent’s consciousness and bring him into an unconscious state.
    Faceless, don't take it for banter. Please accept this as an appreciation for your professional abilities. This... is even breathtaking. good
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 23: 11
      Colleague! These are not PR fighters, they are Okhrana provocateurs!
  58. A.
    +8
    16 November 2018 15: 28
    Quote: The same Lech
    If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... it is without options ... I used to be neutral towards him ... but now the foundation of our existence and the position and position of a person for me are being touched no longer matters.

    You can start counting now. This Sisonist mole has long ago betrayed the best education system in the world. Pensioners too.
  59. A.
    +2
    16 November 2018 15: 30
    Article format, gossip in the form of versions.
    1. -1
      16 November 2018 23: 12
      Are you a Pharisee or, as people say, a provocateur!
      1. -1
        17 November 2018 18: 29
        Quote: Peter Ivanov
        Are you a Pharisee or, as people say, a provocateur!

        rude?
        1. 0
          17 November 2018 22: 42
          Conclusion from the logic of Anatolyevich's narrative.
          1. -1
            18 November 2018 04: 42
            Quote: Peter Ivanov
            Conclusion from the logic of Anatolyevich's narrative.

            We’re still rude.
            and after reading your comments, I’m inclined to think that you are the provocateur.
            1. -2
              19 November 2018 16: 54
              It is unlikely! The Bolsheviks are not provocateurs, but denouncers of capitalists and their henchmen, agents provocateurs of the secret police.
              So are you a Yeltsinist-Putinist? I'm grieving! Are you going against the people? In our Union they used to say: Don’t spit on the team - it will wipe itself out! But, if the team spits, you will drown! And even after the Second Socialist Revolution there will be a Roaring Tribunal, what will you run and mumble on it?

              All Power to the Soviets!
              1. -1
                19 November 2018 19: 04
                Ooo! Are you also a label maker?!
                Riley You are a provocateur.
                And there is also a psychiatrist waiting for you.

                I'm 48. I remember the times of the USSR with joy. BUT!! Anyway, look for a good psychiatrist!
                Adieu!
                PySy: I will continue communication after you provide your certificate - I don’t talk to patients because I don’t want to waste time.
  60. +4
    16 November 2018 15: 31
    It’s time for Putin to retire, he’s been sitting too long.
    1. +1
      16 November 2018 23: 14
      So he’s building a shelter for himself in Japan... Don’t you understand yet? Like Gorbachev in Germany!
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  61. lot
    +2
    16 November 2018 15: 33
    Bunsha: Let them take it for their health, I thought, Lord!
    1. -2
      16 November 2018 23: 14
      Well, I do not! Pipes! Along the front and in depth!!!!
  62. -2
    16 November 2018 16: 05
    It seems to me that someone is just pushing it on purpose. no more
  63. -3
    16 November 2018 16: 07
    Quote: The same Lech
    If Putin nevertheless agrees to transfer our territory to the Japanese ... I will consider him a traitor to our country ... it is without options ... I used to be neutral towards him ... but now the foundation of our existence and the position and position of a person for me are being touched no longer matters.


    Firstly, Putin doesn’t give a damn about your counting. Secondly, this cartoon is designed for people like you, and apparently it achieves results
  64. +2
    16 November 2018 17: 12
    Well, American bases will appear there and Putin cannot help but know this
  65. +10
    16 November 2018 17: 58
    And here is the continuation of the preparation of public opinion for the trade in the country’s territories. Not even a day has passed.
    Soon they will start telling on all channels how we don’t need these islands and what a victory this is over Japan.
  66. +5
    16 November 2018 18: 37
    Quote: Primorets
    I hope Putin’s guards turn out to be patriots and shoot him when they see that he is signing an agreement. )))

    Doesn't fantasize. When EBN was “strange” NONE of the guards even scratched themselves!
    As a rule, the bodyguards of the top officials SPIT on EVERYTHING
    At the risk of picking up cons, but I will say: that the criminal authority has stupid “bulls” who will do everything the owner wants, that the leaders have bodyguards. The only difference is the scale of possibilities
  67. +2
    16 November 2018 18: 39
    Quote: vic02
    It’s time for Putin to retire, he’s been sitting too long.

    And who will replace him? Where is the ADEQUATE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION?
  68. +6
    16 November 2018 18: 40
    If there is a desire, sign a peace treaty without any conditions. And giving away the territory of the country is a betrayal of the country. soldier
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 23: 18
      Colleague, one hundred thousand pluses to you!!!! This should be the main government position! But the capitalists of the Russian Federation, apparently, have different desires. Different from the opinions of the people!
  69. +5
    16 November 2018 19: 05
    If Putin gives the land to the Japanese, can such a supreme figure be trusted? Military, who cares, can you answer? I've been a civilian for a long time.
  70. +5
    16 November 2018 19: 42
    The trick is that it is not the size of a tiny island that is important, but the fact that a 12-mile zone can be counted from it, as territorial waters and an even larger economic one. Let me remind my colleagues how several years ago Ukraine and Romania fought with might and main for Fr. Snake in the Black Sea. Actually a rock, but around a 12 mile zone with underwater deposits and so on. "goodies". And diplomats and lawyers. It just didn't come to a fight wink
    1. -1
      16 November 2018 23: 19
      So they gave it away!!!
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    1. 0
      16 November 2018 23: 21
      I'm happy! The people are seeing the light. Late! But he is seeing the light!

      Большевик
  72. 0
    16 November 2018 20: 50
    Each country has as much territory as it can support and defend. The rest falls off and is picked up by neighbors.
  73. +4
    16 November 2018 20: 59
    he will give what he wants. and no matter what he does, the edros shout well done and genius. He’ll tell them to put the redheads in prison and they’ll sing along. and no matter how you close your eyes, the president still hasn’t made any breakthroughs. if Ukraine arrests ships, it’s not a fic to show off new weapons every day. Let's be honest, no one takes Russia into account, not even Ukraine. what can we talk about NATO? Israel can destroy all our units in Syria and then the guarantor will be afraid to take action. so missiles won’t help if the whole world knows that the guarantor is a talker.
  74. Say
    0
    16 November 2018 21: 27
    Come and get cheaper...
    ...in the last term of the occupation government - a flexible system of discounts for the territory.
  75. 0
    16 November 2018 22: 06
    I am exchanging two “northern territories” for one Okinawa.
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  77. +2
    16 November 2018 22: 37
    In essence, once again they are pouring from empty to empty! Russian Land cannot be given away! ! ! Western "Promises" are worth nothing (Especially in the present time), and even more so Japan is dancing under the amers - that says it all! And investments are investments - they will invest profitably, but they will not invest if they are not profitable! BUT YOU MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER ---- THE AMERICANS ARE PRESSURE OVER THE JAPANESE!
  78. -1
    16 November 2018 22: 44
    a step towards the Russian Federation has been made (very recent agreements on joint activities on the islands), now the Japanese are doing more.
  79. -1
    16 November 2018 23: 16
    Is another “kid” brewing?
    .................................................. ..................
    Or is this some kind of KGB "forwarding"?
    Find out soon!
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  81. +2
    17 November 2018 08: 22
    If they (our rulers) really decided to surrender the Kuril Islands, even part of it, then this means that they are completely on the hook of our enemies and then there will only be further betrayal of the interests of Russia, with a very powerful motivational campaign for the zombie box. And if the communists let it go, there will be only one thing left - to the barricades. Otherwise, in a few years, the Far East will be given to the USA, Japan and China, the south - to the Turks, the USA, Iran and others, and so on.....
    1. -3
      17 November 2018 23: 56
      The communists (not to be confused with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) will not let us down. I promise!

      Большевик
  82. +1
    17 November 2018 10: 00
    1) in the Declaration of 56, the condition for concluding an agreement and transferring the 2 islands is the neutral status of Japan and the absence of foreign troops on its territory.
    2) Giving up the islands means launching American nuclear submarines into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. And lose access for our ships to the ocean. Does anyone believe that someone on our side will do this?
    Summary: In my opinion, Putin, with his statements, pits the Japanese against the Americans, making it clear that they will receive the islands only if many conditions are met, including the withdrawal of the Americans from Japan. The Americans will not leave, the Japanese will not get the islands, but Russia will not be to blame. And the peace treaty may already be signed by this time.
  83. -2
    17 November 2018 12: 01
    Sometimes you need the process itself. We are accused of taking away territories from others (South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea, Donbass), but it turns out that we are ready to return two islands to Japan, albeit on the condition: Yankee go home. Let them drive the Americans out of their territory. For Japan, the negotiation process itself is also a kind of leverage on the United States, they say, Russia is offering us islands in exchange for a “Yankee Go Home.”
    So, war is bullshit, the main thing is maneuvers.
  84. -2
    17 November 2018 12: 11
    These “Putinsleakers” are already fed up; they are incapable of anything other than getting emotional and whining because no one asked them. They can’t even look at yesterday. Why should anyone even ask you? For Caesar, what is Caesar's, and for whiners, keep on whining, you are sure that this will help you
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  86. 0
    17 November 2018 19: 10
    I think the author is exaggerating things a bit. Well, or has other types.
  87. +1
    17 November 2018 21: 00
    PUTIN WILL SELL US THE KURILS AND US WITH THEM (((((
  88. +3
    17 November 2018 21: 59
    Hey, treaty, treaty, have you forgotten how they left Poland, Germany, etc., that there will be no American bases in the territories abandoned by Russia, ...... and what do we have? I get the feeling that our divine leaders of the Russian state are digging holes for themselves so that when they retire, they can sleep somewhere far away from their admiring fans, like Gorbachev. And there is still an American base in Okinawa. For some reason, American presidents, after leaving office, do not leave their bases. In my opinion, all our native presidents simply despise the people they rule.
  89. +4
    18 November 2018 01: 14
    If Putin gives up these islands for some fat handouts, the result will be exactly the same as when Brezhnev sold our space championship to the “lunar” Americans. The Americans launched a myth, a lie on a planetary scale about flights to the Moon, and our then authorities supported this lie for rich compensation. As a result, no one took us seriously anymore - since the Americans visited the Moon, it means they are truly great.
    He will give up the islands, even if they are not very important, it will be like a signal to the wolves. They will devour you, the methods are not necessarily nuclear war, they will devour you as if you had surrendered. And the decline in people’s trust in Putin will be terrible, destructive not for his reputation, but terrible for the country. There may be an analogue of theft as in Ukraine, but not only resources will be stolen as now, but everything in a row, “from the bottom up.” Like, if Putin can do it, God himself tells us to do it, otherwise he’ll give it away to the Honghuzes.
  90. 0
    18 November 2018 01: 32
    There were guarantees according to NATO
    ,,partners, and where are they? The Russian Federation at this time needs to rely only on itself and not allow a problematic elite like in Ukraine, otherwise it’s the end.
  91. +1
    18 November 2018 07: 06
    I would like to remind you that the “declaration” of 1956 considered the transition of the northern part of Hokaido to the USSR. Somehow no one remembers this. Stalin then, under pressure from “circumstances,” avoided this.
    I think it is necessary to return to this option. Look, Abe’s eyes will become wider.
  92. +2
    18 November 2018 12: 31
    If they give away small islands, after a while the neighbors’ appetites will grow. It’s like the saying goes: a claw gets stuck and the whole bird is lost.
  93. 0
    18 November 2018 19: 30
    Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
    And yes, Putin - including my President! He is quite competent, and really knows what he is doing; let’s not forget, it was thanks to him that Crimea quickly and without blood appeared in Russia. And he relies on such a wonderful assistant as the current Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Kozhugetovich Shoigu - a decisive and adequate leader, a true Orthodox person and a true patriot of Russia.

    He has been working with such a “bed friend” as Aifoshka for 18 years. He gave Norway a huge area of ​​the Barents Sea with incredible fish stocks. Is it free? For the population of the Russian Federation, yes. Uh, rollback? Oh, tax-free zones for “Children of the Volga Region”? Free too? What are the benefits for the country? Maybe for a kickback? Let us remember the non-tender deliveries to the Nazi Guard, again in favor of “Child of the Volga Region”? Let's remember the "pasta" who pumped into ministerial posts and spit on the people? Can it remind you of the Corruption System created by the Bratva, which is the basis of the Bandit Regime? For a kickback, Pahan will sell anything and everything, because his deeds characterize him best. hi
    1. -1
      20 November 2018 08: 46
      Quote: Dumb
      He has been working with such a “bed friend” as Aifoshka for 18 years.

      What do you think the previous ones, like Misha Kasyanov, were better? Currently, our president’s entourage consists of fairly competent people who are also patriots of Russia.
      1. +2
        20 November 2018 09: 00
        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        What do you think the previous ones, like Misha Kasyanov, were better?

        Wasn’t it Sinyushny who put him there? So, isn’t Alkasha the Successor on the Throne now? laughing

        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        Currently, our president’s entourage consists of quite competent people,

        Can I ask you to justify your statement? How many “Reforms” did Ifoshka start? And how many of them were completed successfully? Oh, yes, he raised the Russian economy and eradicated corruption? Maybe you can name the successes of the “competent” mediocrities fattening up at the Feeding Trough? wassat
        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        at the same time being patriots of Russia.

        Well, so she, Pitraota, gave Norway the most fishing places, following the example of Shevardnadze. I believe that it is for the benefit of the Russian Federation and free of charge! laughing hi
  94. -1
    19 November 2018 05: 45
    Yes of course they will. Not tomorrow, but the day after tomorrow. Don't deceive yourself. And now we need to think through the conditions for resolving the issue. For now, we can still imagine everything as good will. (Here we must try not so much to “hand over” the islands as to negotiate the conditions for restoration formal Japanese sovereignty over them. It’s even possible over all 4.)
  95. +2
    19 November 2018 11: 35
    They will give up the islands, then it will be Kaliningrad’s turn...
  96. 0
    19 November 2018 12: 40
    According to the Overton Window of Opportunity, for every idea or problem in society there is a so-called. window of opportunity. Within this window, the idea may or may not be widely discussed, openly supported, promoted, or attempted to be enshrined in law. The window is moved, thereby changing the range of possibilities, from the “unthinkable” stage, that is, completely alien to public morality, completely rejected, to the “current politics” stage, that is, already widely discussed, accepted by the mass consciousness and enshrined in laws.

    This is not brainwashing as such, but more subtle technologies. What makes them effective is their consistent, systematic application and the fact that the very fact of impact is invisible to the victim society.

    Overton's idea describes the process of consistent promotion of socially unacceptable phenomena to a socially normal status by means of informational influence on society. The technology describes five stages of influence, each of which uses conventional information tools, but the sum of these stages gives a paradoxical result that turns something (for example, attitudes, ideas or actions) that were previously completely unacceptable in society into acceptable or even prestigious:

    The first stage - "From the Unthinkable to the Radical"
    Purpose of the stage:

    remove the taboo on discussing the phenomenon;


    make the phenomenon known to as wide a circle of people as possible;


    make discussion of the phenomenon habitual;


    give the discussion of the phenomenon the status of an important public topic.



    To do this, the phenomenon is introduced into the information field as radically defiant. Radical status especially stimulates attention to the phenomenon. Discussion of the topic moves from spontaneous to organized - to the level of public or academic forums, as a socially significant problem.

    The second stage - "From Radical to Acceptable"
    Purpose of the stage:
    substitution of concepts, replacement of emotionally unacceptable terms with emotionally neutral euphemisms.

    At this stage, new concepts are introduced that denote different aspects of the same phenomenon, but are not associated in the consciousness of society with the phenomenon in a state where even its discussion was completely unacceptable.

    The third stage - "From Acceptable to Reasonable"
    Purpose of the stage:

    introduction of the idea of ​​the natural nature of the phenomenon under discussion;


    overcoming the attitude towards the phenomenon as absolutely unacceptable;


    recruiting adherents of the phenomenon.



    Scientific (or pseudoscientific) facts and explanations are used, which give the phenomenon an explainable and, as it were, nature-conditioned character. This is a turning point, moving the phenomenon from absolutely marginal to understandable to society. Adherents of the phenomenon are beginning to emerge from among those seeking an original form of personal self-realization.

    The fourth stage - "From Reasonable to Popular"
    Purpose of the stage:

    dissemination of information about the supposed prevalence of the phenomenon;


    introduction into the mass consciousness of the idea of ​​​​the real presence of a phenomenon in society;


    associating a phenomenon with specific persons who do not cause personal rejection.



    At this stage, a feeling of the popularity of the phenomenon is created among real people surrounding the average person, figures for the growth of popularity are given, specific people involved in the phenomenon and who are completely acceptable or even attractive in their other behavior and appearance are shown in the media.

    Fifth stage - "From Popular to Political"
    Purpose of the stage:

    presenting the phenomenon as a politically important topic;


    presenting the denial of a phenomenon as a violation of human rights;


    introduction of a negative attitude towards any denial of the phenomenon.



    Conducting social surveys, the results of which interpret the phenomenon as socio-political. Including a discussion of a phenomenon on the political agenda as requiring legal or political regulation. Initiating political initiatives to protect adherents of the phenomenon as a “minority” under threat.

    Thus, through the consistent execution of five steps that are completely elementary for information technology, any asocial or even socially dangerous phenomenon can be transformed in the eyes of society into normal and even meaningfully necessary.
  97. 0
    19 November 2018 14: 05
    [media=http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcsnXf8La90]
    Here, in the program “Around the Corner,” this issue is interestingly covered.
  98. 0
    25 November 2018 12: 51
    Territories are lost only in two cases: 1. Military defeat. 2. Collapse of the state. What are they preparing for? Our fathers and grandfathers bequeathed: “We don’t want an inch of someone else’s land, but we won’t give up even an inch of our own!” Forgot???. Isn’t consumer society interested in this?