Russian Defense Ministry: Kazan and Prince Vladimir nuclear submarines finish testing

The latest Russian submarines - the 955A strategic submarine missile carrier Prince Vladimir and the 885M Kazan multipurpose nuclear submarine are completing the tests, a spokesman for Severny said fleet RF captain of the first rank Vadim Serga.

In honor of the 65 anniversary of the brigade of submarines under construction and repair of the Northern Fleet, stationed in Severodvinsk, the captain of the first rank said that in recent years Yuri Dolgoruky, the latest nuclear submarines of the 4 generation, have been deployed to the Navy’s combat personnel. "," Alexander Nevsky "," Vladimir Monomakh "of the project" Borey "and the multipurpose nuclear submarine (APL)" Severodvinsk "of the project" Ash ". In addition, the submarine cruiser Prince Vladimir and the multi-purpose submarine Kazan Kazan are completing the tests.

Earlier it was reported that the Prince Vladimir nuclear submarines of the 995А project (the Borey-A code) and Kazan of the 885М project (the Yasen-M code) taking into account the contract deadlines shifted to the right in the 2019 year. It is also planned that in 2019, the Navy will consist of two nuclear submarines - Prince Oleg (project Borey-A) and Novosibirsk (project Yasen-M). And a year later, the Russian Navy will receive two Boreas at once. The eighth Boreas and the seventh Ash trees are scheduled to go to the fleet in 2021 and 2023 respectively, but given the pace of construction, it’s likely that these deadlines should be made blame to the right for at least a year.

At the same time, it is specified that all submarines of the two projects are planned to be distributed approximately equally between the Northern and Pacific fleets: One basic Borey and three advanced Boreas-A will be delivered to the Federation Council, two basic Boreas and two advanced Boreas will go to the FC -A.The situation is almost the same for “Yasens”, here the submarines were distributed in the following way: SF one basic “Ash” and three improved “Ash-M”, on the TF - three improved “Ash-M”.

Comments

[NEXUS]

Most likely, Kazan would be handed over to the fleet. We have unforgivably few multi-purpose submarines. The quantitative bias towards strategists is already very large.
Novosibirsk is promised to surrender to the fleet in 19 in the year and I think that these dates will be shifted by at least a year, taking into account the tests.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: NEXUS

Novosibirsk is promised to surrender to the fleet in 19 in the year and I think that these dates will be shifted by at least a year, taking into account the tests.

She has not even been launched into the water, 20th year, not earlier

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: NEXUS

Hurry Kazan to transfer to the fleet

soon everything planned (apl) would fall into their fleets

[gunnerminer]

To speed up, thousands of skilled workers and shipbuilding masters are needed. And not scientific emergency companies in Sevmash, but trained in lyceums and colleges. In the Far East with personnel, it’s a complete blockage.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gunnerminer

And not scientific emergency companies at Sevmash, but trained in lyceums and colleges.

The scientific companies are recruited young people of military age with HIGHER education. And lyceums and colleges are a "labor army" (if by analogy).
Secondly, the USC took a course on training personnel for enterprises directly in production, at enterprises ... from students living in the region ... and not some "scientific" companies ...
That's right, however. Yeah

[gunnerminer]

people of military age with HIGH -

In advertising articles. Mostly ordinary threesomes, yesterday’s schoolchildren.

-Vo-2-s, USC has taken a course on training personnel for enterprises directly on -

They will be trained by coaching, personnel without any methodological basis. These are far from professional courses, as in Hyundai shipyards. What will happen next year will show.

[gunnerminer]

A skew on a skew swims, and steers a skew. Skews with Naval Aviation, minesweepers, auxiliary vessels and hydrographic vessels, and so on.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gunnerminer

The skew on the skew swims, and steers the skew.

Dear Murad, now we are building what we can build - this is 1's.
In 2's, we can’t do without support forces either, that's why we are building it.
I hope that when we proceed to the construction of the surface forces of the oceanic and DMZ, we will have a reliable maritime rear of the support forces. This will not allow you to quickly ditch 1 and 2 ships of rank, as was the case during the memorable years of stagnation.

[gunnerminer]

-Bo-2, we can’t do without support forces, so we are building .-
A couple more years of such -construction-, and support forces will evaporate.

-This will not allow you to quickly ditch ships of rank 1 and 2, as it was in the memorable years of stagnation.

This process is nearing completion.

[Alexey RA]

At the same time, it is clarified that all the submarines of the two projects are planned to be distributed approximately equally between the Northern and Pacific fleets: one base Borey and three improved Borei-A will go to the Northern Fleet, two basic Borei and two improved Borei will go to the TF -AND".

I wonder why to fence in each of the fleets a hodgepodge of two SSBN projects? Why can't all three base Boreas be assembled in one division of one fleet?

[Vlad5307]

The giraffe is big - he knows better. This is not to "put all your eggs in one basket"!

[Harry.km]

Well, it turns out that in one basket everything is soft-boiled, and in the other all hard-boiled. And so a potential partner, let him think what he will run into. For both of them, there will be enough basic tasks, and for some, an improved one is needed.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Harry.km

Well, it turns out that in one basket everything is soft-boiled, and in the other all hard-boiled. And so a potential partner, let him think what he will run into. For both of them, there will be enough basic tasks, and for some, an improved one is needed.

Sorry, what rank are you, rear or vice admiral?

[Harry.km]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sorry, what rank are you, rear or vice admiral?

And for what purpose are you interested in?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Harry.km

And for what purpose are you interested in?

Judging by your comments, you are a strategist and better than me, who served as a simple sailor, you know which boats in which fleets are needed.
I want to listen, so to speak, to the point of view of the "sea wolf", a real naval commander.

[Harry.km]

It is strange that your question was addressed to me, because my comment is a kind of continuation of the comment.

Quote: Vlad5307

The giraffe is big - he knows better. This is not to "put all your eggs in one basket"!

But nonetheless. Oddly enough, my vision of the situation with the distribution of ships in the fleets, but it coincides with the opinion of the General Staff. For myself, I explain this so that although the ships are of the same type, they still have some differences. And for each fleet it will be more expedient to keep a universal group of ships in order to fulfill a wider range of tasks.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Harry.km

Strange as it may seem, my vision of the situation with the distribution of ships among the fleets, but coincides with the opinion of the General Staff

I see, thanks

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Harry.km

And for each fleet it will be more expedient to keep a universal group of ships in order to fulfill a wider range of tasks.

What wide range of tasks maybe the SSBN?
They have one task - to put an end to the war by delivering a nuclear strike on enemy territory. Why do they need to regularly perform the same operations in peacetime: secretly leave the base, secretly reach the position area, secretly carry combat duty there, secretly return to the base.
In the event of a full-scale war, SSBNs must survive until the launch order is received, and then shoot back. Or survive until the "Zeus" stopped the signal ", and then again shoot.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Alexey RA

What is a wide range of tasks for the SSBN?

"Zeus" or "Rotor" is not the point ... Ships are different with this, do you agree? This means that the range of tasks performed by them will be wider. What spectrum? Yes, even training the second and third crews on ships of various modifications. Is this a challenge? Task. Then come up with yourself.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Harry.km

Ships are different with this, do you agree? So the range of tasks performed by them will be wider. What spectrum? Yes, even the training of the second and third crew on ships of various modifications. Is this a task?

This is an unnecessary complication of the task.
If we spread the base Boreis across two fleets, then in the two fleets we will have non-interchangeable crews in the divisions: several for the base, several for the improved Boreis. Particularly "good" in this regard will be divisions with a single base "Borey".
If the base Boreis are concentrated on one fleet, then the training and rotation of crews will be easier for them. And the other fleet will have a division with uniform ships and crews.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Alexey RA

This is an unnecessary complication of the task.

I agree with you that this is a complication of the task, but I absolutely disagree that it is unnecessary. I just gave you an example with crew training. We do not know what is the difference between the basic and advanced "Borea". Perhaps some of the equipment on the Borey-A has such promising parameters that similar systems will be used on the next generation ships. And in order not to move the crews for training, it is advisable to have such ships in place, by fleets. I repeat once again: With the crew, this is just an example. But in fact, everything can be much more complicated. We do not know all the arguments for such a choice of the distribution of ships and can only assume.

[Grits]

If we spread the base Boreis across two fleets, then we in two fleets will have non-interchangeable crews in our divisions:
In fact, these changes are not so significant. In addition, they will not affect all systems at once. Therefore, the crew will very quickly master minor improvements in the equipment entrusted to him. Do you quickly master a smartphone by buying a more advanced one?

[Grits]

They have one task - to put an end to the war by delivering a nuclear strike on enemy territory.
Well, to be honest to the end - after that, after a few minutes, instantly evaporate in a hot pair of nuclear explosion, dissolving into small molecules. Such is the fate of submariners during a nuclear war.

[gunnerminer]

The state of the budget, the lack of officers, midshipmen, the wretchedness of the coastal and marine infrastructure. determines the point of view on military-military construction. As can be seen from the news in 2018, joy is not a complete peak.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gunnerminer

wretchedness of coastal and marine infrastructure.

Well, about the coastal infrastructure is still clear ... But here is what you mean by MARINE (?) Infrastructure ... explain, plz!

[gunnerminer]

The same. Lack of PRTB (floating missile and technical base), one per fleet, only one hospital ship, no universal supply transports, no ship depots for submarines, no ship depots for MRCs. There are no modern workshops. There are no modern ocean rescue tugs, no a sufficient number of tugboats and towing boats. This is to the top. Without the listed units, transferring the fleets to a high degree of readiness in the threatened period will be a fiction. There will be no possibility to ensure the dispersal of ships and sukds at control points, it will not be possible to support their operational activities.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gunnerminer

PRTB (floating missile and technical base), one per fleet, only one hospital ship, no universal supply transports, no floating bases for submarines, no floating bases for MRCs. There are no modern floating workshops ...

"Infrastructure" is an imported word, and means "ground structures" .... if they ever taught you this.
And what you list with such fervor is the essence of the "mobile rear", which at one time was created by SG Gorshkov, in view of the absence of a coastal basing system in the waters where the BS is carried by the ships of the fleet.
That's why I asked: - "What do you mean by MARINE () infrastructure"?

[gunnerminer]

- the essence of "movable rear", which -

As the rear, the deceased was unable to create maneuverable and efficient. Reread comments carefully. Even during the ZTU fleets, the offshore infrastructure was not taken into account when setting the final grade. Yes, and the coastal one too, especially in the Kamchatka flotilla.

[Grits]

And here we have to agree with Murad about infrastructure

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Gritsa

And here we have to agree with Murad about infrastructure

Namesake! Only out of respect for you:

Maritime infrastructure is a term that describes equipment and services that contribute to the development of maritime trade. This includes docks, moorings, warehousesand stevedores, ship carpenters, pilots, and all other professionals who provide mooring, loading and unloading of merchant ships.

www.dndjunkie.com/civilopedia/ru.
And now - "Russian on white": the navy, the navy, is somewhat different from the MMF. For us, the military, all of the above is brought together in the Rear and MIS. That is why I was surprised: "where did the guy get Spanish sadness" (c)?
Apparently the "average sailor" (which Murad recalls) is firmly entrenched in the brain!
On this I consider the question closed.

[gunnerminer]

I’ll add about torpedo fishing, greetings from the 60s. And the Criminal Code (training ship) Perekop. You can go see it at S-189. Navigation equipment and a training base from the 60s of the last century.

[gunnerminer]

In accordance with the topics, posts and military ranks are changing. In this case, there are no submarine commanders below, there are no commentators in the rank of captain of the 2nd rank. Mostly members of the Naval Councils, foreign naval attaches, not lower than the captain of the 1st rank.

[gunnerminer]

Such a diverse approach to the construction of nuclear submarines led to the undermining of the economy of the USSR. Instead of constant modernization of basic projects, new ones were accelerated. The RPK SN and PLARK were created under the ammunition. Why this wasteful diversity ended clearly.

[AnderS]

This was not the result of undermining the economy of the USSR. If you take a deeper interest in the topic, then you will discover many surprises.

[gunnerminer]

An unbalanced fleet was one of the mechanisms for undermining the economy of the USSR. Therefore, it is now possible to create a marine and coastal infrastructure, while also degrading to corvettes, RTOs, boats.

[Alexey-74]

The nuclear submarines are a guarantee of Russia and a guaranteed threat to any enemy (mainly the USA), therefore they are vital for our Navy.

[gunnerminer]

-APS is a guarantee of Russia and a guaranteed threat to any enemy -

The only MAPL Kuzbass remained at KTOF. So, someone does not want to guarantee Russia's security.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gunnerminer

. So someone does not want to guarantee Russia's security.

For example you

Quote: gunnerminer

Such a diverse approach to the construction of nuclear submarines led to the undermining of the USSR economy. Instead of the constant modernization of basic projects, new ones were accelerated

[gunnerminer]

No one is in a hurry to raise the combat stability of the RPKSN. Not in the far zone, nor in the near zone. For example, the absence of large hydrographic vessels leads to non-periodic measurements of the planet's magnetic field and other parameters, which affects the accuracy of the trajectories of intercontinental ballistic missiles. Attention to the problems and needs of the fleet addresses only after catastrophes. For example, in August 2000 they learned that the fleet's ACC were sky-ready. Recently, they learned that at least one large floating ship was needed at the KSF.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gunnerminer

The only MAPL Kuzbass remained at KTOF. So, someone does not want to guarantee Russia's security.

Murad, stop fake-making, otherwise you will never get out of the "minuses"!
In the Pacific Fleet, in addition to 971, there is also 949 - 2 units in the ranks. And also 3 rpkSNA, at the same time 2 modern 955. So, Kuzbass is not alone.

[gunnerminer]

- there are 949A - 2 units in the ranks -

SSGN is not for ensuring RPKSN defense. Two units of 949A are conditional on paper. One of them, with a line crew. For the huge operational zone of KTOF, this is minuscule.

-And also 3 rpkSNa, -

The SSBN for defense of the SSBN is an innovation in naval art. It is especially original to attract the old ruin 955BDRM project for PLO 677 project.

-So, Kuzbass is not alone-

One as in a birch field. This is a MAPL, not an SSBN or SSGN.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gunnerminer

One as in a birch field. This is a MAPL, not an SSBN or SSGN.

Yes you, sir, Troll-fake player !!!
I, to you, as a decent Maine in a vest, commented on your own saying:

The only MAPL Kuzbass remained at KTOF.

referring to the units in the ranks, and you turned everything inside out and are trying to make me look as "gray as a fireman's pants", allegedly suggesting 955 to carry out PLO 667BDR-s ...
In addition, with the tactics and JOIs of using the 4 generation rkkSN you have a clear failure ... So, save your agility for others. I do not need to be taught ... You are not MINA, not JJJ, and not RUDOLF, whom I can listen to as equals.
I have the honor.

[gunnerminer]

MAPL is one combat ready at KTOF. It is not even capable of securing the current annual plan of BP KTOF.

- tactics and OI use rpksn 4 generations you have a clear failure ... -

It’s just the same tactic. With the complete absence of a sufficient number of KPUG, air defense missile aviation, reconnaissance aviation. Not to mention the low level of training of command and crews.

[gunnerminer]

-I have the honor .-

Some local sailors from under the sleeves of the jacket, sticking out a couple of centimeters of lace guipure shirts unsuccessful candidates for admission to the middle sailor.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: gunnerminer

unsuccessful candidates for admission to the middle seaman.

Well, what is this for?
In general, I passed exams 2 times: to the cadet (1: 25 document contest; 1: 12 was called for exams), and akamed. There, however, the competition was smaller --1: 4 ... And the rest is all outside the competition.
So, I didn’t even dare to dream about your average sailor! Where are we, wise and wretched !!!

[gunnerminer]

Without modern MAPLs, the SSBNs are easy prey for the weakest naval combat crews of NATO and Japan. Constant time shifts to the right. In the absence of aircraft PLO and KUG, the defense of the PKK SN is estimated as conditional.

[955535]

Serga is lying and does not blush. The tests have just begun. "Prince" has not even gone to sea yet.

[Vladimir1155]

keep it up, the right way we go comrades!

[Dzafdet]

Quote: gunnerminer

Without modern MAPLs, the SSBNs are easy prey for the weakest naval combat crews of NATO and Japan. Constant time shifts to the right. In the absence of aircraft PLO and KUG, the defense of the PKK SN is estimated as conditional.

They are easy to gouge them with from planes. They are identified in the sea by one or two. Orion will fly and that's it, put out the light ...

[gunnerminer]

Orions were replaced by Poseidons, with the best operational capabilities. At KTOF there are also the opportunities of developing fleets of Japan, South Korea and Singapore, Australia.