Posthumous fate of Stalin. Secret became clear?

93
Maybe China and Albania were right in accusing the Khrushchev leadership of replacing Stalin’s ashes after its elimination?

Posthumous fate of Stalin. Secret became clear?




The first hints of what was done were contained in the comments of Voice of America, BBC and Radio Liberty back in March-April of 1953, and with links to Vasily Stalin, the son of the leader. In the 1959 year in the Venezuelan magazine Cromos, the future Nobel laureate reporter Gabriel Garcia Marquez, who visited the Mausoleum on Red Square in 1957, hinted at the same thing. Interestingly, in the USSR, this opinion of Marquez, already a widely recognized great writer, was first decided to publish only in 1988, in the era of perestroika and glasnost.


Gabriel García Márquez had a special relationship to both Stalin and the circumstances of his death.

The impressions of García Márquez, then still a young man, because he wasn’t 30 years old, from visiting the Mausoleum in August 1957, are very characteristic: “Stalin sleeps the last time. ... facial expression is a living, conveying feeling. Slightly curly hair, a mustache, not at all like Stalin's. But nothing affected me as much as the grace of his hands with long transparent nails. These are women's hands ”(“ Latin America. ”M., Institute of Latin America, Academy of Sciences of the USSR, 1988, No. XXUMX).

It is hardly necessary to say that from the direction of G.G. Marquez was out of the question about the idealization of Stalin and the Stalin period. The author of the famous “One Hundred Years of Solitude” himself was a staunch supporter of democracy and an opponent of dictatorship of any kind. And this is despite the fact that all his life he had been friends with the Cuban leader Fidel Castro, whom the so-called democratic public did not call a dictator. The image of the late Stalin had such a strong effect on the writer that he fully used it when writing another cult novel, Autumn of the Patriarch, where he created a brilliant collective portrait of the Latin American dictator.

Soon, Khrushchev himself emotionally let slip about the murder of Stalin, speaking on July 19 1964, at a reception in the Kremlin in honor of the Hungarian leader Janos Kadar: “You cannot wash a black dog completely. AT stories humanity had a lot of tyrants, but they all died as much from an ax as they themselves supported their authority with an ax ”. Radio Liberty in its program in Russian did not slow down with a ruthless biting comment called: “What did Khrushchev admit?”, July 19 (1964, 14: 30 Moscow time). However, in the Soviet and Eastern European media, except for the Albanian, Romanian and Yugoslav ones, for obvious reasons, they preferred not to publish this fragment.

Already these quoted quotes (of the Soviet party boss and the great writer) in combination with each other suggest the question: what happened to Stalin's dust? Posthumous fate suggests a monstrous blasphemy against the body of Stalin soon after his death, or rather, the murder. It is this version of Stalin’s death that was chosen by the author by no means accidentally, precisely because of the very reservation of Khrushchev.

After a decade and a half, 18 on November 1978, the representative of Albania to the UN, Ali Veta, conveyed to his Romanian counterpart for the UN, Alton Farjan, the answer of Enver Hoxha, the head of the Albanian Party of Labor Central Committee, to the proposal of the Soviet side to restore diplomatic relations, interrupted under Khrushchev, 1962 year. At the same time, the Soviet side proposed to end mutual ideological controversy. But in a brief reply from Tirana it was stated: “Tell the truth about Stalin’s last days, about the fate of his ashes, set aside the decisions of the XX and XXII CPSU congresses that falsify the activities of Comrade. Stalin. Then negotiations are possible. ”


Lenin and Stalin Museum in Tirana

But in Moscow, for obvious reasons, they did not dare to take such steps. Albania, we recall, adhered to its orthodox position with respect to Stalin and the Stalin period in the history of the USSR and the CPSU up to the coup 1990 of the year. At the same time, despite the regime change, the Museum of Lenin and Stalin is still preserved in Tirana (opened 1 on May 1952 of the year, during the life of the “leader of nations.” The museum contains a truly unique set of documents throughout the entire Russian Empire, the USSR and the CPSU the end of the 19th century until the 70 of the 20th century, where the incomparable collection of archival materials about Stalin’s illness and death, the death after death of his ashes, his son Vasily Stalin, etc.

No less noteworthy is the telephone conversation of Lieutenant-General VVS Vasily Stalin with his chauffeur Alexander Fevralev, recorded by the MGB on the evening of March 9 1953, i.e. shortly after the funeral of I.V. Stalin.

Vasily Stalin says: “How many people were suppressed, terribly! Specially arranged it ?! There was a terrible case at parting in the House of Unions: an old woman-nun with a bluff approaches, and not far away on guard of honor is Malenkov, Beria, Molotov, Mikoyan, Bulganin. And suddenly she shouts to them: "They killed you, bastards, rejoice! Damn you!" What happened to her later? "

There are quite a few experts who claim that this was the operation “Mozart” developed by the CIA of the United States, which provided for the elimination of Stalin by his “comrades-in-arms” or the explosion of a dacha in Nemchinovka, where Stalin had been almost permanently since February 1953 (see Enver Hoxha, “Khrushchevites and their heirs”, Tirana, in Russian, 1977). Vasily Stalin constantly spoke and even shouted that “father is being killed”, “already killed”. The latter, with sobs, he repeated in the Column Hall of the House of Unions 6-8 of March, as well as on the day of the funeral and after. According to a number of data, some foreign delegations heard this, rendering last honors to Stalin in those days. Vasily also claimed that the body of his father was not in the Mausoleum, but an artificial counterpart. Stalin himself was cremated shortly after his death, because Joseph Vissarionovich's face had changed a lot because of the poison. The well-known historian Anatoly Utkin notes: “I think that with the elimination of Vasily in 1962, the traces of what was done to Stalin himself could be covered up.”

In early March, Stalin's son 1953 sent the first letter to the CPC Central Committee, claiming that his father had been killed. As is known, Mao Zedong, as well as Kim Il Sung, Ho Chi Minh, Enver Hoxha did not come to Stalin’s funeral, probably with supporting information. According to reports, similar two letters, but also with allegations of the rapid cremation of his father shortly after his death, as well as asking for political asylum or at least for treatment, Vasily sent to Beijing in 1960 year. And the Chinese authorities have already raised with the party leadership of the USSR the question of his leaving there or to Albania for treatment. But in vain.

[/ Center]
Stalin’s Park in Harbin, China, welcomes guests today

And 19 March 1962, Vasily Stalin died suddenly in Kazan. According to the official version, from the effects of chronic alcoholism. But hardly, because the KGB officers had been searching in his apartment for almost a week, according to the testimony of his neighbors and wife, Kapitolina Vasilyeva (1918-2006), copies or drafts of those letters remain in the PRC. And in Tirana and Pyongyang, Khrushchev's emissaries found out whether Enver Hoxha and Kim Il Sung received the same letters. But also in vain. Moreover, this whole situation was reflected in the media of China and Albania in the middle of 60, when, we recall, Moscow was almost a step away from the war with the PRC and Albania.

There is evidence that Vasily Stalin managed to transfer the manuscript of his memoirs, including the above-mentioned letters, to the Chinese embassy. During his lifetime, they were not published, because there was hope that he could be taken to China. The publication of such frank memories during the life of V. Stalin would only hasten his demise.

The memoirs were published in Chinese by Renmin Chubanpe (People's Publishing House) under the CPC Central Committee as early as December 1962 under the title: Honestly: The Story of Vasily Stalin. Marshal Ye Jianyin, deputy chairman of the National Defense Council and president of the Academy of Military Sciences of China, wrote a preface to them. The preface stated that Vasily Stalin, “the son of his great father, was personally acquainted with Chairman Mao (they met at the end of 1949 during Mao’s visit to the USSR. - Note by the author) and enjoyed his unlimited trust and deep respect. " The death of Vasily Marshal called "caused by malicious intent." And "the contradictions between the PRC and the USSR is a consequence of the policy of the Khrushchev renegades."

When public controversy between the CPSU and the CPC began in 1962, one of the letters from the Chinese Central Committee (in 1963) noted: "The Soviet leadership removed Stalin's body from the Mausoleum and put it on fire." At first, this verbal skirmish, including the aforementioned letter, was published without cuts in Pravda and People's Daily (in 1963-64). But Soviet journalists, dictated by Khrushchev, in response polemical articles quietly ignored such a direct accusation of monstrous forgery.

In this context, another testimony is noteworthy - Chin Pena (1924-2013), the leader of the Malaysian Communist Party from the middle of 1940-s to the beginning of 1990-s. As you know, this party broke off relations with the CPSU in connection with the removal of the Stalinist sarcophagus from the 31 Mausoleum in October 1961. And the documentary film “The Last Communist” by Malay director Amir Muhamad about Chin Pen (2006) is still banned in Malaysia.

From the greetings of Chin Pena VII Congress of the Albanian Party of Labor (Tirana, November 3 1976): “Hatred of Stalin is a manifestation of the lies, envy and destructive actions of the Khrushchev and pro-Chrushchev leadership groups. Suffice it to recall the shouts of Khrushchev of the Chinese and Albanian delegations at the Third Congress of the Romanian Communist Party in 1960: “If you need Stalin so much, then take our coffin from us! We will send it in a special car! "

According to a number of data, Beijing and Tirana at the beginning of 60-s twice suggested that Khrushchev should send them a sarcophagus with Stalin, which would mean a complete ideological-political break between Tirana and Peking from the USSR, actually started shortly after 1956. Also, in the USSR in 1960 -61 leaflets were distributed that an Albanian-Chinese mausoleum for Stalin would soon be built in Beijing. There are no official confirmations of this, but in view of the aforementioned requests to Khrushchev, one can assume the reality of such a project.


There is no Mausoleum of Stalin in China, but his portraits, like Lenin’s portraits, are everywhere

One way or another, but, according to the testimony of Kang Sheng (head of the PRC Ministry of Security) and Enver Hoxha, the angry Khrushchev provocatively insulted Stalin’s ashes at negotiations with the Chinese delegation on the eve of the 22nd CPSU Congress: “Do you really need this dead nag ?! Take, if necessary. " But this “transfer” would certify the substitution in the Moscow Mausoleum, which, apparently, was also part of the Sino-Albanian plans. However, this did not happen: Khrushchev’s comrades-in-arms, citing Nikita Sergeevich’s eagerness, refused such an event. Say, the fate of Stalin's dust is an exclusively internal affair of the USSR and the CPSU.

But the Chinese delegation at the XXII Congress of the CPSU (the end of October 1961), led by Premier Zhou, with the help of Mao Zedong, obtained permission not only to visit Stalin’s new resting place, but also to lay a wreath of real flowers with inscriptions on his ribbons (in two languages) : “The great Marxist comrade I. Stalin. In a sign that the CCP did not share the position of N. Khrushchev, directed against I. Stalin "(Xinhua, Beijing, 16.10.2009, 03.11. 1961).

In China, and today adhere to the same position. As the Washington Post 17.10.2017 noted, “Xi Jinping reaffirms China’s loyalty to the revolutionary philosophy of a man whom Mao more than once called his“ great teacher and elder brother ”: this is Joseph Stalin. When the XVIII Congress of the CPC first approved him in office five years ago, Comrade Sy declared: “To neglect the history of the USSR and the CPSU, to neglect Lenin and Stalin is equivalent to pernicious historical nihilism. It confuses our thoughts and undermines the party at all levels. ”

On the eve of the 65 anniversary (2018) from the day of the “official” death of Stalin, the head of the CPC Central Committee spoke more firmly: “I think that for real communists, I.V. Stalin is no less than V.I. Lenin. And in terms of the percentage of correct decisions, he has no equal in world history at all. ” It is no coincidence that to this day, the avenues and streets of Stalin remain in China: in Harbin and Dalian (Dalny), Lüshune (Port Arthur) and Urumqi, Jilin and Gulja. And, for example, Stalin's Park in Harbin (about 400 ha) works, a huge portrait-monument is installed and carefully preserved in the village of Nanjie, the last commune in China, where the traditional pattern of the first years of building socialism and communism still remains.

At the end of this review, one cannot but recall the remark of Winston Churchill, pronounced shortly after Khrushchev’s resignation (October 1964): “... this is the only politician in the history of mankind who declared an all-out war to the dead. But moreover: he managed to lose it. ”

And the memory of the Soviet leader and today retain not only in China, North Korea or Albania.


A plaque in Vienna (Austria) on the house where Stalin worked on the article "Marxism and the national question" in 1913


Stalin Street in the municipality of Frameri (Belgium)


Stalin Road, Colchester (England)
93 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +79
    15 November 2018 06: 11
    It is necessary, it is necessary to officially return the name of I.V. Stalin’s history of Russia, its people! To restore the name of Stalingrad to the city on the Volga, in which the greatest battle of Stalingrad took place, revered throughout the world. To name streets and avenues in the name of Stalin is generally strange, in many cities of the world there are streets of V.I. Stalin, but we do not.
    The people of Russia should remember the name of the Great organizer, builder and defender of the USSR I.V. Stalin. Return the name of Victory to the Great Patriotic War to Stalin - the actual Marshal of our Victory. Only thanks to I.V. To Stalin, we maintained our independence in World War II, and remained to live on earth.
    Are we that kindred tribe not remembering?
    1. +64
      15 November 2018 07: 45
      It is necessary, it is necessary to officially return the name of I.V. Stalin’s history of Russia, its people! To restore the name of Stalingrad to the city on the Volga, in which the greatest battle of Stalingrad took place, revered throughout the world. To name streets and avenues in the name of Stalin is generally strange, in many cities of the world there are streets of V.I. Stalin, but we do not.
      The people of Russia should remember the name of the Great organizer, builder and defender of the USSR I.V. Stalin. Return the name of Victory to the Great Patriotic War to Stalin - the actual Marshal of our Victory. Only thanks to I.V. To Stalin, we maintained our independence in World War II, and remained to live on earth.

      Remember who won the "Name of Russia"? And who was appointed as a result?
      D.A.M. he jumped out of his pants and squealed that only stupid people could have named IV Stalin in the name of Russia.
      In my opinion, for all those sitting in the leadership, the name of JV Stalin is like a voiced verdict: "Capital punishment with confiscation of property. Repress the family."
      So they blaspheme his good name with fear for their thieves.
      1. +45
        15 November 2018 10: 11
        I have a firm belief that the current government will never, under any circumstances, recognize the greatness of Stalin, primarily because Stalin demonstrates the absolute mediocrity, corruption, theft and worthlessness of the current government with his real heritage. It is not trite, but Stalin accepted the country after the devastation, and left with the atomic bomb, simultaneously winning, perhaps the worst war in the history of mankind ... One way or another, but Stalin built industry, restored the state, maybe very poor, but prepared the country for war ... And how many years ??? And what can the current government boast of besides stealing this country ???
        1. +2
          16 November 2018 23: 31
          Abrosimov S. So what the hell are they now starting to muddle a series of articles about Stalin in this vein:, - the murdered and charred leader of all times and peoples ... For everything, the authorities today want to do not dictatorship, because the throne begins to stagger, especially after the last re-election to presidents ...
      2. +41
        15 November 2018 10: 48
        The discrediting of Stalin led to a split in the world Communist system, and then what was left of it began to fall apart. Events in Hungary and Czechoslovakia are an example of this. Khrushchev is not something that Stalin lied about, he doused the whole Red Project! For some reason, the Chinese immediately understood this, but we still do not understand. If they understood, then the great city on the Volga would have long been called Stalingrad. hi
        1. +10
          15 November 2018 14: 01
          Quote: Proxima
          Khrushchev is not something that Stalin lied about, he doused the whole Red Project! For some reason, the Chinese immediately understood this, but we still do not understand.

          Khrushchev poured mud on Stalin - and then they also poured it on him. Mao assessed Stalin's legacy as "70% correct and useful, 30% erroneous and harmful" - and his own activities in China are officially assessed with the same wording, word for word!
      3. +14
        15 November 2018 10: 59
        D.A.M. he jumped out of his pants and squealed that only stupid people could have named IV Stalin in the name of Russia.


        In Novosibirsk, once again refused to provide a place for a monument to I.V. Stalin

        For several months now, disputes over the installation of a monument to Stalin have not ceased in Novosibirsk. The mayor's office proposed to install it in front of the Officers House on Red Avenue, but the military did not support this idea, arguing that Joseph Stalin had a "controversial role in the history of the country." As a result, the initiative group was denied the installation of a monument in Novosibirsk - the authorities felt that this could "offend human dignity."

        During the discussion of places for erecting the monument, historian Konstantin Golodyaev explained what would happen in Novosibirsk if the monument to Stalin was nevertheless erected.

        https://news.ngs.ru


        The military’s position on this issue is especially touching, and the question is about the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, because there are no former ones.
        1. +5
          16 November 2018 17: 04
          Quote: user
          The military’s position on this issue is especially touching,

          The military elite, the marshals and generals, actively participated in pushing Khrushchev to power, the Marshal of the Soviet Union, then the three-time GSS Zhukov tried hard for Nikita Sergeyevich and for himself of course.
          Hence the generals' negative position on the installation of a monument to Stalin IV.
          1. -1
            16 November 2018 22: 31
            Hence the generals' negative position on the installation of a monument to IV Stalin

            Do not carry nonsense, Zhukov supported Khrushchev against Beria, not Stalin!
            1. +3
              17 November 2018 05: 32
              Quote: Astronaut
              Zhukov supported Khrushchev against Beria

              Do not carry nonsense.
              Zhukov in the most active manner, as far as possible dragged Khrushchev, literally dragged on himself and at the July plenum of the CPSU Central Committee in 1957 against the anti-party group. Beria was no longer alive.
              The main enemy for the bunch Zhukov-Khrushchev - Stalin IV
              He put the whole army on his ears, the Air Force aviation urgently brought to Moscow to the extraordinary plenum of the members of the CPSU Central Committee loyal to Khrushchev. If only to keep Nikita the miracle worker at the highest party post.
              Without the help of Marshal of the Soviet Union, then still a three-time GSS, Zhukov Khrushchev would not have been in the general secretaries.
              1. 0
                17 November 2018 21: 57
                You have problems with your knowledge of history ... In 1946, Zhukov was NOT repressed, but was sent to Odessa only on Stalin's orders. Beria really wanted to close Zhukov, so Zhukov had no "claims" to Stalin. And how could Stalin prevent Khrushchev in 57th, if in 56th he had already "debunked him at the 20th Congress?"
                1. +1
                  18 November 2018 08: 30
                  You have a history problem ...
                  Therefore, you do not know that from 1945 to 1953 Beria LP did not work in the internal affairs and state security systems, but was engaged in the creation of nuclear weapons. You probably guess that the organization of work on the creation of nuclear weapons is not an easy task, even a very difficult task. Therefore, he could not combine this huge work with work in the NKVD-MVD. Therefore, I could not close Zhukov even with great desire.
                  Beria LP was killed by Zhukov and Khrushchev as an active supporter of Stalin IV, as one of the active successors to his cause
                  And the appointment of Zhukov as the commander of the OdVO is a real link. Gradually, Zhukov went down and down in positions from the deputy supreme commander in chief to the commander of the second level districts.
                  You are probably right personally to Stalin IV Zhukov perhaps and had no complaints.
                  However, Zhukov had the biggest claims against the Soviet regime and naturally they were addressed to Stalin IV as the leader of the Soviet state.
                  So Zhukov saved, he struggled to save the main denouncer of Stalin IV, his companion in the collapse of the USSR Khrushchev from the surviving followers of the Stalin case of IV, supporters of the Soviet regime.
                  And he won.
              2. 0
                23 November 2018 00: 12
                So gloriously Khrushchev thanked him, quite deservingly.
                1. 0
                  23 November 2018 07: 42
                  Quote: Svidetel 45
                  and gloriously Khrushchev thanked him

                  Khrushchev is not the main one in this matter.
                  The main thing Zhukov disagreed with his marshals and generals.
                  His rudeness, lordhood bothered them to the Rygotin. Forever inflated, always dissatisfied with everything.
                  None of the subordinates wanted to meet with him; to communicate, he would certainly find fault with anything, swear, insult, and humiliate him. And Zhukov masterly cursed.
                  Even his deputies preferred to communicate in writing with their minister. They sit in the same building and write letters to each other.
                  Here the marshals and generals threw off their minister under cover of the decision of the plenum of the CPSU Central Committee.
                  Khrushev didn’t have a place to go, and even he himself could fly with his friend.
      4. +9
        16 November 2018 13: 07
        Yes, for fans of the Yeltsin centers, the mention of Stalin is like a cross for the devil.
    2. +11
      15 November 2018 11: 40
      Quote: vladimirZ
      the actual Marshal of our Victory

      More precisely Generalissimo
    3. The comment was deleted.
    4. kig
      +5
      16 November 2018 03: 53
      Quote: vladimirZ
      The people of Russia must remember

      Yes, he is already remembered, and they will not be forgotten very soon.
  2. +26
    15 November 2018 06: 15
    Churchill was right, and Stalin’s role in the history of the country is simply not appreciable. hi
    1. +29
      15 November 2018 07: 07
      I would say more precisely: Stalin's role is simply not appreciated, with dignity and justice. So far, only little by little we are raking up whole mountains of husk and garbage, poured and rammed first by his comrades-in-arms who betrayed him, and then by all the rest of the Western and our "well-wishers" who were afraid and are still afraid of one name of Stalin.
      1. +1
        15 November 2018 07: 30
        Yes, you’re right, I just wrote from the phone, and I had problems getting the wrong system by spelling glasses. hi
      2. +6
        16 November 2018 19: 00
        And what do you want, if this bald trickster Khrushchev diligently covered up the whole memory of Stalin. Well, Brokeback finished it all. It remains to be hoped that the people are wiser and will not betray Stalin
      3. -1
        16 November 2018 22: 33
        tamped down at first by the comrades who betrayed him

        Stalin did not have associates, in the late 50s he even wanted to get rid of Molotov but did not have time
  3. +6
    15 November 2018 06: 40
    An interesting article, especially in light of the initiative of one St. Petersburg deputy to replace Lenin with a doll. Strange coincidence. Although it is hard to believe in the nonsense of the then Soviet leadership with the replacement of Stalin's body, one must admit that, to put it mildly, there have always been eccentrics with their "genius" ideas.
    1. -20
      15 November 2018 07: 07
      it was not eccentricity.
      this is a common occult practice. therefore, the corpse of the blank in a ziggurat in the center of the capital, and Stalin's body had to be removed altogether.
      and if you thought that the USSR was an atheist country, then you are mistaken, only ordinary citizens of the country were atheists. and the elites have always had "faith." quotes because it is more of a cult than a belief.
      if you think that I am mistaken, then look for information about how Trotsky in Kazan erected a monument to Judas Iscariot (to the fact that he betrayed Christ), and how the NKVD sent Barchenko to the Kola Peninsula. and generally read who Barchenko and Bokiy were, well, also about spies like Blyumkin (there you can argue who they were, spies from special services or spies from occultists, for those may be right, but there is a fact that Blumkin is on occult subjects worked well with the Third Reich).
      if you delve into the one who created the mausoleum and some other projects, so in general there will be a lot of questions.
      1. -8
        15 November 2018 09: 28
        Quote: just EXPL
        it was not eccentricity.
        this is a common occult practice. therefore the corpse of a blank in a ziggurat in the center of the capital

        It was not any occult practice. The mausoleum with Lenin's body was the usual "insurance" of the then Soviet "elite" from the emergence of a new "Grishka Otrepiev" who would declare that He was the surviving Lenin.

        Quote: just EXPL
        and if you believed that the USSR was an atheistic country, then you are mistaken

        Well, so atheism was the "state religion" of the Soviet Union, so the USSR was an atheist state, no matter how anyone fantasized about this topic.

        Quote: just EXPL
        then look for information about how Trotsky in Kazan erected a monument to Judas Iscariot (to the fact that he betrayed Christ)

        I know about it. I don’t see anything mystical in this.
        1. -10
          15 November 2018 11: 04
          there was no insurance against Otrepyev, the times were not the same, and the mausoleum was created as a ziggurat, from which, by the way, the main part of the mythology of those who created the revolution came out.
          and yes, there is nothing mystical in that the trio erected a monument to Judas Iscariot, since they did not put him in voodoo magic, and not in telekinesis, but in the usual way, so yes, no mysticism. but the religious background, with what is anti-Christian, here you are clearly recognizing it or not.
          Threat atheism is also a form of religion. If necessary, I can explain.
        2. -2
          16 November 2018 02: 39
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          This was not an occult practice.

          With your comment, you showed that you don’t even understand one iota of mysticism, especially the ancient and vivid pronounced anti-Christian orientation.
          1. +1
            18 November 2018 15: 31
            Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            This was not an occult practice.

            With your comment, you showed that you don’t even understand one iota of mysticism, especially the ancient and vivid pronounced anti-Christian orientation.

            Yes, I do not understand mysticism, not one iota, not two iota ... Byad !!!!
            1. 0
              20 November 2018 09: 04
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              Yes, I do not understand mysticism, not one iota, not two iota ... Byad !!!!

              There is that trouble if you scamper about questions about which, as a result, you yourself admit that you have no idea, and at the same time speak with aplomb about such serious things.
              1. 0
                23 November 2018 17: 46
                I don’t bother about these questions, I am "half-hearted" to this, I answered the delirium of the interlocutor, tk. there is not any mysticism, but one continuous progmatism of Soviet power.
                1. +1
                  24 November 2018 17: 30
                  Quote: EwgenyZ
                  there is not any mysticism, but one continuous progmatism of Soviet power.

                  Once again, you show that you absolutely do not understand the ideology of the inner circle of the first Bolsheviks. Have you ever wondered why a part of porphyry granite for the Lenin Mausoleum was brought back from Iraq, huh? Well, well ... pure pragmatism, coolestly involved in mysticism ...
      2. +5
        15 November 2018 10: 48
        Quote: just explo
        Betrayed Christ), but how the NKVD sent Barchenko to the Kola Peninsula. and generally read who Barchenko and Bokiy were, well, also about spies like Blyumkin (there you can argue who they were, spies from special services or spies from occultists, for those may be right, but there is a fact that Blumkin is on occult subjects worked well with the Third Reich).
        if you delve into the one who created the mausoleum and some other projects, so in general there will be a lot of questions.

        And if you read about those who wrote to you about the young ladies, boki and other blumkins, then you will have even more questions.
        1. -7
          15 November 2018 11: 05
          I read, moreover, I traveled around such places and talked with people there, so I have every reason for my opinion.
          1. +1
            16 November 2018 21: 13
            Write an article, read, discuss. In the meantime, this is the level of “heard the ringing ...”.
  4. -20
    15 November 2018 06: 57
    in fact, Stalin was the only one in the entire communist kagal who organized the massacre of the Russian people in 1917, who really was for Russia and for the people. the rest just came to rob tales for fools about an ideal society.
    Those who say that the revolution was needed, I advise you to give your wife and daughter to everyone who wants them. for the Communists argued that the institution of the family was outdated and that all women became public property and that anyone who wished could use them.
    for those who will broadcast that this is a lie, let them fill in the search "every Komsomol member must satisfy his sexual needs, every Komsomol member must meet him halfway, otherwise she is a bourgeoisie." there you read about whole communes with common women, about which the classic family was really prepared for cancellation and only the incipient demographic failure prevented this, you read that the blue, as everywhere where there were revolutions, were part of the core of the Bolsheviks and received complete freedom (under the tsar they were pinched by full), about rampant prostitution.
    it is also worth reminding Leninists about the NEP, which the type was forced to, but it was just as forced as privatization in the 90s. just a change of Russian owner to Jewish.
    I can remind supporters of the revolution about the Red Terror and about Zemlyachka, in general, the death of millions of people is not a reason for the phrase "it was necessary."
    1. +32
      15 November 2018 07: 10
      Stalin collected the fragments of the empire and built a new strong state, but still did not destroy all admirers of Trotsky - this first destroyed him, and then the country
      1. +6
        15 November 2018 07: 33
        he could not physically destroy all the Trotskyists; they are scattered all over the world.
        it’s just that the Trotskyists are not purely admirers of Trotsky’s personality, they are fans of an ancient idea, and they are fighting for it to death, although the most visible ones are often not ideological supporters, but simply purchased Judas.
        they will drink a lot of blood. and to us and the rest of the world.
        1. +13
          15 November 2018 07: 36
          I could not all, but I had to strive for this in at least one particular country, but in essence you are right.
      2. -16
        15 November 2018 13: 30
        Quote: prapor55

        Stalin collected the shards of the empire

        FACT: the territory of Russia (RSFSR) after the formation of the USSR in 1922,. decreased by SEVEN France, by 4 MILLION km2
        1. +1
          16 November 2018 09: 11
          Quote: Olgovich
          FACT: the territory of Russia (RSFSR) after the formation of the USSR in 1922,. decreased by SEVEN France, by 4 MILLION km2

          How many cons FACT! Yes
          Yes, they do not like, they hate the sandworms. FACTS about the "gatherers".
          Just think, SEVEN France lost Russia in just thirty years!
          Do not forget that the territory of Belarus AFTER the formation of the USSR in 1922, grew three times at the expense of Russia.
          And all the same, for the good of the Russian people, yes ...
        2. 0
          16 November 2018 11: 45
          Oh, here without Olga, it’s sure that he’ll stick kopecks with his own 4 monarchical ones, with a smell of anti-Sovietism, you and your position on many issues are interesting, you didn’t even yesterday, but the day before yesterday.
          1. -4
            16 November 2018 13: 07
            Quote: zusima1905

            Oh ka4 here without olgovich, surely his 5 monarchical ones, with a smell of anti-Sovietism, will put a penny in

            What, the truth is pricking unceasingly, with your "collectors", Russia?
            Tell us how much happier and richer the Russian people became from the fact that they selected the Russian Novorossiya, Slobozhashchina, Smolenshchina, etc., until 1922, and another seven France after!
            Quote: zusima1905
            You are not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday.

            My dear man, we have been THOUSAND years and there are. in contrast to that. that flickered and disappeared forever
      3. -6
        16 November 2018 02: 42
        Quote: prapor55
        Stalin collected the fragments of the empire and built a new strong state, but still did not destroy all admirers of Trotsky-

        Reading both you and other supporters of the Bolsheviks, it turns out again and again that the actual "absolute majority in the Bolshevik party" was made up of the Trotskyists, with whom the "true Leninists" fought - fought, but never got out. Or maybe it is Bolshevism that is a strategic mistake, fatal for Russia?
        1. +1
          16 November 2018 06: 03
          Did you see a Bolshevik in me? My attitude to Ulyanov was sharply negative and I had discussions with minuses at this forum. I admire Stalin's role in creating the Union. hi
    2. +15
      15 November 2018 10: 56
      Quote: just explo
      .
      Those who say that the revolution was needed, I advise you to give your wife and daughter to everyone who wants them. for the Communists argued that the institution of the family was outdated and that all women became public property and that anyone who wished could use them.

      ETOGES, how much you need to be hit on the head to believe in this propaganda tale.
      Therefore, to comment on your verbal diarrhea, I consider it further pointless.
      You should go to school, a class in the fourth.
      1. -22
        15 November 2018 11: 10
        once again for the gifted, I know without your posts who and how made this revolution, I know what kind of society they dreamed about, therefore I advised Mr. Comrade to read Zamyatin, Huxley and Orwell from below.
        I also recommend them to you, by the way, the sexual question is also widely covered there and not only is it covered, but it is also explained in detail why this is so.
        In addition, for you on the network there are a bunch of posters and scans / photos of newspapers of those times, there is everything you need.
        in the meantime, I see Mr. Comrade who denies everything that does not coincide with his childhood perception of the bright past in the USSR.
        I won’t be surprised that if I write that under Lenin people died of old age, you will begin to vote that it’s a lie and propaganda, and under Lenin people lived forever, as Lenin himself did not die but fell asleep, which is why they said Lenin lived, Lenin is alive, Lenin will to live.
    3. +10
      16 November 2018 04: 44
      Quote: just explo
      in fact, Stalin was the only one in the entire communist kagal who organized the massacre of the Russian people in 1917, who really was for Russia and for the people. the rest just came to rob tales for fools about an ideal society.

      In fact, Stalin was the only person whom the fate of the country (USSR) and the Soviet people bothered more than his own. The rest of the temporary workers came only to satisfy their own ambitions, and there is no certainty that they were chosen for outstanding services.
      You are telling us about the communists who are replacing the institution of the family with domestic sexual promiscuity. Most likely for this purpose, the system of communal housing was legalized, where several families (tenants) were forced to live on the same square, but you miss one moment in your entire "history" - stigmatizing girls who had sexual intercourse before marriage.
      You tell us about sodomy, but you forget to indicate the places (cities) where it was possible and was considered in the order of things. Nowadays, this sin is intensively advertised from there.
      Under the Communists there were flaws, there were obvious omissions and mistakes. Among the leadership of the Communists were outright villains and mediocrity BUT !!! stop Never, at any time did thieves go and travel around the country openly, prices went down, salaries grew and roared in the river, and there was an omul in Lake Baikal, and male homosexuals were in prisons under the article and did not twist the public.

      And here is what Mao Zedong said:
      For more than thirty years, the teachings of Comrade Stalin and the example of socialist construction in the Soviet Union have contributed to the movement of mankind forward with gigantic steps. Now the Soviet Union has achieved such power, the Chinese People’s Revolution has won such a great victory, the construction in people's democracies has been so successful, the movement of the peoples of the world against oppression and aggression has reached such a scale, and our front of friendship and rallying has grown to such an extent that with full justification can be argued that we are not afraid of any imperialist aggression. Any imperialist aggression will be defeated by us, all vile provocations will end in failure.

      So what were those afraid and afraid of those who diligently extort the name of Stalin from the history of our country, replacing it with Yeltsin-Chubais-Gaidars? Whose interests do they defend?
      1. -6
        16 November 2018 06: 49
        what you write is a lie, because no one condemned women for extramarital affairs, the only thing that happened was that society itself, according to the OLD habit, condemned the birth of illegitimate children. therefore, a bunch of new communist abortions did like seamstresses seams on clothes. and when abortion was banned, years later, women stupidly killed their children.
        and no one condemned the blue ones, only with the advent of Stalin when the criminal punishment for sodomy was returned, they began to sit, and not twirl the fifth point.
        and prices not only decreased, but also increased, for the most part they increased, they did decrease a little under five under Stalin, although during the crisis they could also reduce certain groups of goods under the Lenin, as in 2008 under Putin we froze the price of bread, milk and so on, so that people would not so much feel the blow from the growth of the dollar from 23 to 35.
        By the way rode in the rivers and omul in Baikal were still before the Communists.
        therefore, I repeat once again - the revolution of 17 was ordered by the West and was anti-Russian and anti-people. but Stalin bowed low, but he removed from the helm those who organized all this and densely cleaned them. just because they cleaned them and they do not like him.
    4. +1
      16 November 2018 22: 36
      What you put in quotation marks is not a quote; you've seen enough bad Soviet films
  5. +27
    15 November 2018 07: 14
    Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin - the greatest Man and politician of the 20th century. And no resident stubs fit into his soles.
  6. +29
    15 November 2018 07: 29
    Stalin is a far-fetched figure .... But what party comrades did to him does not fit into any framework. The truth about him will never be told ... but one way or another it will become clear. Yes, the authorities have more than serious reasons to act as they did ... Stalin is the summit, the magnitude ... to which his political colleagues like cancer before the moon .... the dead have no shame
  7. +25
    15 November 2018 09: 13
    At a discussion with Solovyov, in my opinion, Kedmi said (from memory): it is not true to judge Christianity on the basis of what the Inquisition did, destroying people. It is also wrong to judge Stalin on the basis of the fact that there were repressions at that time. For the main thing was whether someone liked it or not, the formation of a state destroyed by a civil war, industrialization, collectivization, universal literacy, affordable education, health care, victory in the Second World War, restoration again, the flourishing of culture and art, friendship of peoples, respect for work, faith in justice. There were mistakes - there were, they were corrected and moved forward. And now that: an unprecedented stratification of society, not only in terms of income, but also in quality of life, constant price increases, paid education and health care, the living elite and a flurry of appeals on TV, through the media, the Internet with requests to help money for operations, growing numerically and bureaucracy growing stronger in the bureaucracy, thirsting on the one hand to transfer all its worries to the shoulders of ordinary citizens, and on the other, afraid to touch the tax-rich. But it is generally recognized even at the level of the President that privatization was carried out with gross violations. Well, okay, the authorities do not want to review its results, but is it true that many assets were received for fabulously small money. It would seem that even if they share with the people at least through charity, the creation of funds to strengthen the army and navy, but no, it is preferable to withdraw capital abroad. Therefore, they do not like Stalin.
  8. +20
    15 November 2018 09: 24
    He has done so much for the country and not a single street in the name in his honor!
    1. -6
      16 November 2018 02: 44
      Quote: avaks1
      He has done so much for the country and not a single street in the name in his honor!

      His actions and his deeds were condemned by his followers, and even at the height of communism, so your claims are unfounded!
      1. +6
        16 November 2018 04: 51
        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        His actions and his deeds were condemned by his followers, and even at the height of communism, so your claims are unfounded!

        Stalin was condemned by his entourage, and the people said something completely different. Yeltsin's actions were also condemned by the people during his lifetime, but after his death, his successors and entourage erected a pantheon of his name. So your comparison is not entirely correct.
      2. +3
        16 November 2018 13: 22
        It was not the followers who killed and slandered. Calling Khrushchev a follower of Stalin is nonsense.
        1. -6
          16 November 2018 14: 59
          Quote: NordUral
          It was not the followers who killed and slandered. Calling Khrushchev a follower of Stalin is nonsense.

          Khrushchev was his faithful ally. Another thing is that he realized the death of the personality cult and changed the development paradigm, since under the Stalinist USSR it would have simply collapsed by the 1960 year.
    2. 0
      16 November 2018 17: 45
      The country is occupied by liberals.
    3. 0
      23 November 2018 00: 24
      Yes, I did so much, but not a single street or square in memory of him, here she is an ordinary villainy, but aren't we. people to blame for this?
  9. -16
    15 November 2018 09: 37
    Mao seemed to think that Stalin had 70% of the right decisions, probably a pretty decent option. However, he also had a fundamental error, the system he created was designed to guide a person of his scale, he did not look beyond himself or did not want to look. The system of power - its system - was ultimately ineffective and led to the top of outright fools or drunkards. And the result is the collapse of a great country, which, yes, had problems with the economy, but they could be corrected, of course, with private property, but not in such a wild form. The Russian Empire was created over the centuries, over 70 years, the results of creation were, in the end, destroyed. So, it is hardly possible to consider Stalin a clearly brilliant statesman. According to the results - quite the opposite.
    1. -19
      15 November 2018 10: 36
      All this gives rise to the image of a certain "Ingenious Mechanic" who created a huge, complex mechanism that could function normally only if brutal men with crowbars and sledgehammers stood next to it and constantly hammered through this mechanism. As soon as these "brutal men" became less brutal and weakened the blows with their heavy tools, the whole mechanism stopped working and fell apart into separate gears. Can such a mechanic be called a genius? Not sure.
      1. +2
        16 November 2018 05: 11
        Quote: alebor

        All this gives rise to the image of a certain "Ingenious Mechanic" who created a huge, complex mechanism that could function normally only if brutal men with crowbars and sledgehammers stood next to it

        Did you go to the ophthalmologist to check your vision? Who are these "brutal men"? Are decisiveness, asceticism and lack of cute face brutality? Yes, there were such harsh men and women who put enemies of the people against the wall, who suppressed embezzlement and treason, who built despite the cold and heat ... But there were those who poured sand on the gears, and added "diamond dust". Indeed, what kind of genius of people, whose thoughts are published in multivolume books, and whose deeds are visible in decades, can one speak about, having in reality "real geniuses" who have not written any plans or voiced a single great idea? Only against the background of their mediocrity and outright profanation did the genius of the great man begin to emerge.
    2. +2
      15 November 2018 11: 07
      Quote: sevtrash
      1
      Mao seemed to think that Stalin had 70% of the right decisions, probably a pretty decent option. However, he also had a fundamental error, the system he created was designed to guide a person of his scale, he did not look beyond himself or did not want to look. The power system is his system

      Yes, it’s a pity that you were not there with Stalin. Then he has not 70%, but as many as 123,7%
      the right decisions were, like your authority Mao.
    3. -10
      15 November 2018 14: 19
      Quote: sevtrash
      However, he also had a fundamental error, the system he created was designed to guide a person of his scale, he did not look beyond himself or did not want to look

      This is not so much Stalin's fault as ideas atheistic communism. If there is no God, everything is permitted!
      1. -11
        15 November 2018 18: 11
        a purely communist petty dirty trick: there is nothing to object, so at least put a minus!
        1. +1
          16 November 2018 13: 19
          Why look so narrowly - dirty tricks are a common human habit, communism has nothing to do with it. And why did you decide that atheism is a priori criminal?
    4. 0
      15 November 2018 19: 36
      Quote: sevtrash
      Mao seemed to think that Stalin had 70% of the right decisions, probably a pretty decent option. However, he also had a fundamental error, the system he created was designed to guide a person of his scale, he did not look beyond himself or did not want to look. The system of power - its system - was ultimately ineffective and led to the top of outright fools or drunkards. And the result is the collapse of a great country, which, yes, had problems with the economy, but they could be corrected, of course, with private property, but not in such a wild form. The Russian Empire was created over the centuries, over 70 years, the results of creation were, in the end, destroyed. So, it is hardly possible to consider Stalin a clearly brilliant statesman. According to the results - quite the opposite.

      You are simply poorly informed.
    5. +1
      16 November 2018 17: 51
      You are too simple to judge. To build a system of power transfer is an extremely complex task. It is not enough to transfer power to a reliable person; it is also important that he be a talented organizer. Stalin was such. Perhaps he was planning to build a system of transfer of power, and it was probably this desire that accelerated his departure from life. As far as I remember, he began to change his attitude towards some people from his inner circle, and this probably predetermined the situation.
  10. +12
    15 November 2018 11: 43
    There is an opinion: As soon as L. Beria prepared a report to the Politburo on the activities of the head of the then MGB of the USSR, Ignatiev, he was immediately killed. This also confirms the version of the assassination of Comrade Stalin.
  11. +17
    15 November 2018 11: 52
    Everyone makes mistakes, and great deeds are only great people!

    When Mao Zedong was with Stalin, he asked for permission to settle 20 million Chinese in the Soviet Far East.
    “I have enough of my 200 million,” Stalin replied.
  12. VLR
    +19
    15 November 2018 12: 58
    Compare the level of development of the USSR and China in the days of Stalin. China remained true to its principles and became great. The leaders of the USSR and the liberals from the Fifth Column betrayed our ideals and ridiculed our history - and where is the great country of the USSR now? What happened to Russia, the state of its economy, its political position in the modern world?
    "Neglecting the history of the USSR and the CPSU, neglecting Lenin and Stalin is tantamount to pernicious historical nihilism."
    "IV Stalin has no equal in world history in terms of the percentage of correct decisions."
    These quotes should be in every Russian textbook - in gold letters and immediately.
  13. +16
    15 November 2018 12: 59
    STALIN AND NOW LIVING ALL THE LIVING
    Therefore, our enemies do not stop attacking and slandering his name and his deeds.

    And the Western media and their Ukrainian, European and local. and liberal accomplices daily broadcast on any channel about Hitler, fascism and his accomplices, by no means critical.

    USELESS: "Our cause is just, victory will be ours!" I.V. STALIN
  14. -3
    15 November 2018 13: 54
    ... this is the only politician in the history of mankind who has declared total war on the dead. But not only that: he managed to lose it.

    Churchill didn’t know much about history if he hadn’t heard about the 897 Corpse Synod. Tellingly, Stefan VI / VII waged his war with the dead much more brutally - but he also blew much more epic and faster than the Bald Corn Man am !
    1. -4
      15 November 2018 14: 27
      Bald Kukuruznik, like an ardent atheist, also did not hear about the "Corpse Synod" - otherwise he would have been smart enough to repeat Stephen's exploits: pull the mummy out of the Mausoleum and arrange a formal trial over her with her "frank confessions of crimes against the party"!
    2. 0
      15 November 2018 19: 43
      Quote: Tutejszy
      ... this is the only politician in the history of mankind who has declared total war on the dead. But not only that: he managed to lose it.

      Churchill didn’t know much about history if he hadn’t heard about the 897 Corpse Synod. Tellingly, Stefan VI / VII waged his war with the dead much more brutally - but he also blew much more epic and faster than the Bald Corn Man am !

      What are you talking about? Kukuruznik won his war against Stalin - it was he who laid the foundations for the collapse of the USSR, destroying the principles of the social economy. Learn History drinks
      1. 0
        16 November 2018 12: 23
        Quote: Doliva63
        What are you talking about? Maize won his war against Stalin

        What do I have to do with it? My quote? AND Churchill spoke about the "lost war with the dead" after the removal of Khrushchev, when Brezhnev sharply curtailed the anti-Stalinist campaign!
  15. +17
    15 November 2018 18: 46
    It is high time to give all historical figures their deeds. To restore the good name of I.V. Stalin with the installation of monuments to him in all cities, to restore the name of the cities, deservedly named in due time by the name of Stalin, the names of avenues and streets. It is time to admit that I.V. Stalin was and remains the greatest leader of the Soviet state that he created, defended in the war and made him one of the leading countries in the world. Honors him and respect from the entire Soviet people. L.P. Beria also made a huge contribution to the development and defense of the country, the advancement of its science, and was a loyal assistant to I.V. Stalin. His name also needs to be cleansed of undeserved slander of spiteful critics and perpetuated in history. But Khrushchev and his whole clique anathema and oblivion, like a Trotskyist, encroached on the collapse of the USSR.
  16. -3
    16 November 2018 09: 12
    How many times have I been to China, I have never seen any portraits of Stalin or Lenin. Yes, and Mao they only have a 100 yuan note. The Chinese Communist Party has long turned into an analogue of United Russia. Among ordinary Chinese, she became a parable in the Gentiles due to her corruption. No socialism in China and does not smell. But still, the Chinese have adopted several Stalinist methods of control: the state tirelessly cares for the army, the state leads and finances all strategic developments in the field of science and technology, the state owns and controls the most important sectors of the economy.
    1. 0
      16 November 2018 13: 09
      Moskovit! Time will tell everything.
      1. +1
        16 November 2018 13: 26
        This is me because the Chinese, as usual, took the best and went their own way.
  17. +5
    16 November 2018 09: 38
    Who will give you return the name of Stalin to Russia?
    Slowly pushing enemies, Kolchak, Kornilov, Krasnov, the heirs of the princes ...
    1. +2
      16 November 2018 13: 08
      What are we on? Or keep silent in a rag? So it will end badly.
      1. +1
        18 November 2018 11: 05
        Yes, who will listen. For the capitalists - and all the heroes only from capitalist and tsarist times.
        Close the shipyard and set up the Tsarevich’s embankment (Nikolay 2)! Here is the summary. And figs what you do.
  18. +8
    16 November 2018 12: 46
    A tree is known by its fruits. Stalin has won the Second World War, industrialization, collectivization, the atomic bomb, man’s exit into space (with him all the foundations were laid). Eltsin - Putin - the collapse of the USSR, the falsification of products in stores, problems in space, the elimination of machine tools, paid medicine (partially), education (partially), the abolition of pensions, which even after the war was not done.
  19. +5
    16 November 2018 13: 07
    It is time for Stalin to resurrect, the country is waiting for this, with the exception of thieves and traitors in power and their servants.
    In Novosibirsk, too, some are numb, even the memory of Stalin prevents them from stealing, selling and betraying the country and people.
    1. -3
      16 November 2018 15: 03
      Quote: NordUral
      It is time for Stalin to resurrect, the country is waiting for this, with the exception of thieves and traitors in power and their servants.

      For some reason, Stalin's admirers naively believe that they will be bypassed by the "punishing sword of the revolution", and not they, but someone else will go to the revived Gulag. Well, naive, what to take from them ...
      1. +1
        23 November 2018 00: 33
        Sometimes in a war, artillery and aviation hit their own, it happens, so what, then, maybe refuse to fight for this reason?
  20. +4
    16 November 2018 13: 09
    And we have a monument to Stalin survived all the rulers. And now it stands between the city committee and the city hospital.
  21. +1
    16 November 2018 17: 59
    Quote: zusima1905
    Oh, how can it be without Olgovich, he’ll surely stick his kopeks with the smell of anti-Sovietism and kopecks, but you and your position on many issues are not interesting, you didn’t even yesterday, but the day before yesterday.
  22. +3
    16 November 2018 18: 20
    Khrushchev poisoned Stalin
  23. +1
    16 November 2018 22: 51
    Most of all, the article "liked" the links to the sources of information of the potential enemy, and also: how can a well-known historian, an expert on American-Western European relations, make "conclusions" about the death of Vasily Stalin? I do not want to list all the "shoals" further.
    The idea of ​​the article was correct - protecting the memory of Stalin, and the implementation, as always in Russia, through one place!
    By the way, for those wishing to know in more detail all the relationships around the "owner" I recommend reading the memoirs of Sudoplatov Intelligence and the Kremlin
  24. 0
    18 November 2018 20: 28
    Eternal glory!
  25. 0
    22 November 2018 19: 52
    One hundred pluses per article. The figure of Stalin cannot be forgotten and deleted from the history of our country. Here Khrushchev is perhaps only mentioned as a misunderstanding.