Stratfor: The United States will not be able to directly help Ukraine at the Azov Sea

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The Western resource Stratfor, which is related to US intelligence agencies, comes out with a material in which it states "Washington’s understanding of Ukraine’s concerns about the militarization of the Sea of ​​Azov by Russia." The article says that Russia has achieved multiple supremacy over Ukraine in the Azov water area, and this "can also spread the war to the sea".





One of the “problem moments”, as Stratfor analysts say, is the Crimean bridge built by Russia. At the same time, it is added that the bridge “now allows Russia to increase its activity in checking the ships passing under it”.

From the material:
We compared the forces of Ukraine and Russia to the sea. The comparison is not in favor of Ukraine. Its Navy 11 has thousands of military personnel and only 66 warships and auxiliary ships, while Russia has only 25 thousands of seamen in Sevastopol and many times more ships and vessels. And the imbalance is not only quantitative, but also qualitative. Russia in the Sea of ​​Azov keeps around 40 its warships and coast guard boats. This grouping can be easily reinforced from the Crimea. Ukrainian border ships, which are available in Mariupol and Berdyansk, are old. The transfer of ships from Odessa looks problematic.

In the end, analysts of the mentioned structure write that Ukraine needs to rely solely on US assistance in containing Russia in the Sea of ​​Azov. At the same time, the material states that Ukraine should not count on such assistance from Washington, at least in the near future. The arguments are as follows: de jure, the United States does not have the right to send its warships to the Sea of ​​Azov, but even if this happens, it will only “aggravate the nature of the conflict.” That is why Washington is pondering how to "help Ukraine" on the Azov Sea without an American military presence, which is "not yet possible."
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  1. +12
    12 November 2018 15: 34
    Stratfor: The United States will not be able to directly help Ukraine at the Azov Sea
    Since the aircraft carrier does not fit in it ...
    Well, in "stratfor", "captains of evidence" simply work
    1. +17
      12 November 2018 15: 37
      Quote: svp67
      Since the aircraft carrier does not fit in it.

      urkaina has his own
      1. 0
        12 November 2018 16: 42
        You made my day laughing laughing laughing good
      2. +3
        12 November 2018 18: 53
        By the way, if you attach the An-2 to the deck, to reach normal speed, at what speed will this barge sail? Faster than a rear wheel or not?
        1. +1
          12 November 2018 19: 33
          This is if there is gas in the tanks of AN lol
        2. -1
          12 November 2018 23: 03
          Quote: Wedmak
          Faster than a rear wheel or not?

          will be released
          1. 0
            12 November 2018 23: 48
            She has no redan. Because there is no keel. The ekranolet will turn out, perhaps. Low so fly.
    2. +2
      12 November 2018 20: 13
      Quote: svp67
      Stratfor: The United States will not be able to directly help Ukraine at the Azov Sea
      Since the aircraft carrier does not fit in it ...
      Well, in "stratfor", "captains of evidence" simply work

      Russia has an aircraft carrier there. Crimea is called!
      1. +2
        12 November 2018 23: 49
        In the sense, unsinkable.
  2. +12
    12 November 2018 15: 38
    How can I help you? What is on Azov? Ukrainians themselves are guilty of all problems.
    1. +2
      12 November 2018 16: 09
      Quote: Bulls.

      How can I help you? What is on Azov? Ukrainians themselves are guilty of all problems.

      Well, they’re not to blame! They carry out the order according to the order from Washington: to escalate the situation! And the United States is to them, well, don’t be there yourself ...
  3. IGU
    +15
    12 November 2018 15: 38
    Resource Stratfor finally found the Sea of ​​Azov on the map and now was able to assess the situation.
    1. +2
      12 November 2018 16: 40
      Resource Stratfor finally found the Sea of ​​Azov on the map and now was able to assess the situation.
      It’s just that when they bent over the map and looked at the region, they accidentally closed the Sea of ​​Azov with their finger. Therefore, they could not understand how to drag their aircraft carriers — either across the Belorussian Sea, or through the Rostov Mountains.
      1. +1
        12 November 2018 16: 43
        And by the way, there is the Belarusian Sea ... But not everyone knows this .. Not just one "talking head" from Washington was broadcasting ... It was just that she was not informed that getting there from the Baltic was somehow difficult ... crying bully
        1. +1
          12 November 2018 17: 46
          Quote: 210ox
          And by the way, there is the Belorussian Sea ... But not everyone knows this.

          of course have. I saw shrimps from Belarus, I immediately believed Zhenya Psaki
    2. 0
      12 November 2018 23: 51
      A huge step forward. THIS resource believes that the damned Aibolit .....
  4. +11
    12 November 2018 15: 38
    In my opinion, the United States, even hypothetically, is not going to help Ukraine and does not even have such plans. They have fulfilled their goal so well. Namely, two "Indian" tribes were pitted against each other as in a good western. Morally support the "allied" tribe and defame their opponents. Well, sometimes old Colts and Winchesters are thrown to the "ally" with rounds shooting cartridges.
    1. +8
      12 November 2018 15: 48
      Quote: Altona
      pitted two "Indian" tribes among themselves

      rather they pitted one tribe among themselves ... well, the second turned out to be smarter! =)
    2. +1
      12 November 2018 15: 50
      I also think so, we would like to really strengthen the Ukrainian fleet, we would have done it a long time ago ... wink
      1. +2
        12 November 2018 16: 04
        hi Duck, they have already "strengthened" by giving two rusty motorboats ... laughing
        1. +1
          12 November 2018 17: 47
          Quote: Black Sniper
          Duck they already "strengthened" by giving two rusty motorboats.

          and before that it seems as many as 6 inflatable boats
          1. +2
            12 November 2018 22: 43
            Quote: LSA57
            Quote: Black Sniper
            Duck they already "strengthened" by giving two rusty motorboats.

            and before that it seems as many as 6 inflatable boats

            And those without pumps Yes
            1. +1
              12 November 2018 23: 05
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              And those without pumps

              sailors have pumps.
              natural. nature daden. back below the belt are located
  5. +5
    12 November 2018 15: 40
    Therefore, to see and did not shake hands yesterday in Paris. So that without hope there are all different.
    1. +4
      12 November 2018 15: 43
      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Therefore, to see and did not shake hands yesterday in Paris. So that without hope there are all different.

      everything has accumulated there
      For Donald Trump, Poroshenko is nothing more than an ingratiating president of a crumbling and impoverished country, who is forced to pay 400 thousand dollars for the right to enter the office and take pictures with the head of the White House.

      Also, there is no doubt that Trump perfectly remembers how the Ukrainian authorities treated him during the election race and elections in the United States, and thanks to whom the head of his election headquarters Paul Manafort was imprisoned.

      The Americans do not forgive such things, and with a high degree of probability we will still see how the American Themis will pursue Petro Poroshenko.

      In the meantime, it is interesting to the United States, as an aggressive puppet, causing trouble to Russia. But this does not mean at all that you need to greet him as an equal in the presence of other presidents.

      completely here
      https://topcor.ru/3405-pochemu-tramp-ne-pozhal-ruku-poroshenko.html
      1. -1
        12 November 2018 15: 45
        Thank. I read all this.
        1. 0
          12 November 2018 15: 46
          Do not mention it hi
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    3. 0
      12 November 2018 16: 58
      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Therefore, to see and did not shake hands yesterday in Paris. So that without hope there are all different.

      With maybe a game to the public!? They are politicians, they say and show one thing smile But things are completely opposite! angry angry
  6. +4
    12 November 2018 15: 44
    That is why Washington is thinking about how to "help Ukraine" in the Sea of ​​Azov without the American military presence, which is "not yet possible."

    It will not be possible in the future. Unless, if the Sea of ​​Azov does not become part of the Atlantic Ocean.
    Ukro-Sumerians dug up the Black Sea, now let them dig a canal connecting the Atlantic with the Sea of ​​Azov.
    1. +1
      12 November 2018 15: 49
      Quote: NEXUS
      Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea, now let them dig a canal connecting the Atlantic with the Sea of ​​Azov.

      and let Psaki attract Zhenya. she has experience. laughing
      1. +1
        12 November 2018 16: 14
        hi This is truly a great experience for her, I remember her penguins at the North Pole. laughing
        1. 0
          12 November 2018 16: 17
          Quote: Black Sniper
          I remember her penguins at the north pole.

          hi and mountains in the Rostov region laughing
  7. +2
    12 November 2018 15: 46
    but even if this happens, it will only "aggravate the nature of the conflict."
    With such an attempt, it may turn out that in general nature, as such, will change
  8. +3
    12 November 2018 15: 48
    I would not say that the Stratfor material claims to be an in-depth analysis. The balance of forces between Ukraine and Russia in Azov is obvious and all attempts by the country 404 to somehow level the situation for now leave much to be desired. Well, maybe except for bravura statements in the media-space.

    The Ukrainian naval group in the Sea of ​​Azov today consists of about 20 boats. Of these, only four units are part of the naval forces (Navy). These are two new small armored artillery boats “Lubny” and “Kremenchug” of the “Gyurza-M” project, transferred from the Black Sea to the Azov control ship “Donbass” and the tug “Korets”, which were transferred in the middle of September by land from Odessa to Berdyansk.

    https://www.discred.ru/2018/10/06/bravada-ili-provokatsiya-chto-zhdat-ot-ukrainskih-uchenij-v-azovskom-more/
    1. 0
      12 November 2018 16: 20
      Quote: Corsair0304
      all attempts of the country 404 to somehow smooth out the situation so far leave much to be desired.

      but their guarantor thinks otherwise
  9. +1
    12 November 2018 15: 50
    ".... That is why Washington is thinking about how to "help Ukraine" on the Sea of ​​Azov without the American military presence, which is "not yet possible."

    What a catchword "bye". It warms the souls of the Ukrainian warriors and gives hope that "all America is with us." tongue
  10. +1
    12 November 2018 15: 51
    and only 66 warships and auxiliary vessels
    - what a convenient wording laughing , but only military is not fate to count? laughing
  11. +2
    12 November 2018 16: 30
    I grin ... why shouldn't the new Russian ships be given famous names? Like "Poltava", "Kiev", "Khmelnitsky" ... and others like them? Nuuu, as a reminder of a true story feel
  12. 0
    12 November 2018 16: 36
    That is why Washington is thinking about how to "help Ukraine" on the Sea of ​​Azov without the American military presence, which is "not yet possible."
    Not yet possible, but not at all possible. Dreamers.
  13. 0
    12 November 2018 18: 09
    It remains to see how the Sumerians go to battle on their trough laughing
  14. -1
    12 November 2018 19: 01
    as if the United States fought instead of Ukrainians .... Of course, everything lies with the Ukrainians themselves. But adequate assistance in the Azov theater will not be superfluous. So far there is nothing serious - trade and poaching wars. With searches. Ukraine believes the same measure to Russian ports and ships. How it will be is unknown.
    Hope in the USA, don’t be bad yourself ...
    It is foolish to compare the potentials of one Ukraine and the Russian Federation. Here the game is much more serious.
  15. +1
    12 November 2018 19: 20
    and we are in the Rostov region a military airport babakhay
  16. 0
    12 November 2018 19: 53
    Why do you say bye? This is forever and they will have to put up with it .... then, the shauba striped climbed to where they obviously rake? No, this will never happen.
  17. 0
    13 November 2018 00: 41
    Quote: major147
    Quote: svp67
    Stratfor: The United States will not be able to directly help Ukraine at the Azov Sea
    Since the aircraft carrier does not fit in it ...
    Well, in "stratfor", "captains of evidence" simply work

    Russia has an aircraft carrier there. Crimea is called!

    Dill believe that Crimea is their aircraft carrier. True in temporary use in Russia wassat laughing
  18. -1
    13 November 2018 00: 44
    Quote: bmv04636
    and we are in the Rostov region a military airport babakhay

    I wonder too? What for us in Rostov airfield? Or maybe an influx from the runaway presidents of the former republics of the fraternal brothers is expected? Who do we have here from Rostov? there construction of special cottages is not activated? laughing
  19. -2
    13 November 2018 03: 35
    Ukraine has already developed and tested the Neptune anti-ship cruise missile with a range of about 300 km, it will be ridiculous to the point of shit when in the event of a conflict only "some kind of Ukraine" will sink your entire fleet with coastal complexes.
    1. 0
      13 November 2018 06: 40
      Quote: Superpuper
      Ukraine has already developed and tested the Neptune anti-ship cruise missile with a range of about 300 km, it will be ridiculous to the point of shit when in the event of a conflict only "some kind of Ukraine" will sink your entire fleet with coastal complexes.

      "Pan has no gold reserves ...."
      so the staff will sit on the priest evenly and breathe quietly ...
      great ship-keepers ...
    2. 0
      14 November 2018 15: 20
      There is not enough to develop a rocket, it needs to be produced and placed on something. Leonaddo da Vinci invented the tank, and the helicopter, and the parachute - and sho?
      Are you going to host Neptune on a Lisapeda?
      And in which direction will he fly?
      Do not bother the bastards.
      Your ceiling is a combat hopak.
  20. 0
    13 November 2018 04: 55
    Why would the United States even help Abusurdistan on the Sea of ​​Azov? The absurd is so good that it does the dirty work on its own ... And "The West will help us!" this is from Ilf and Petrov, this is from pike jellies ... the eternal, stupid hope of small children and big fools.
  21. 0
    13 November 2018 05: 40
    The United States will not be able to help Ukraine at the Sea of ​​Azov at a loss.
  22. 0
    13 November 2018 09: 49
    In my opinion, it's time for us to take care of the help of Mexico in the Gulf of Mexico
  23. 0
    14 November 2018 10: 08
    Her Navy has 11 thousand troops and only 66 warships and auxiliary vessels
    This is where they got such numbers about ships and ships?
  24. 0
    14 November 2018 15: 15
    The Second World War has already shown that the Black and Azov Seas by listening are small for the struggle of fleets against fleets.
    The aircraft drove the ships to the bases remote at the theater, and if they protruded from there, with disastrous results.
    The fleet’s attempt to shell Constanta ended tragically.
    In the best case, small and medium-sized ships (even submarines) were used as high-speed transports, incurring huge losses from aircraft and in their own minefields exposed foolishly and no one is against whom.
    Large and expensive ships pretended to be cacti in Poti.
    At present, the one with more powerful aircraft will panovate on the Sea of ​​Azov.