Preliminary results of elections in the DPR and the LPR

The counting of votes cast for candidates at the elections of heads of republics and deputies of the People’s Councils in the LC and the DPR continues. Thus, in the Luhansk People’s Republic, almost three-fourths of the votes are gained by the political movement “Peace to the Luhansk Region”. He is headed by Acting Head of the Republic Leonid Pasechnik. About 24% of votes for this minute is gained by LES - “Lugansk Economic Union”. This is reported by the portal. PERSON.

Leonid Pasechnik himself leads the elections for the head of the LC, currently gaining about 69% of the vote. In the second place is Oleg Koval, for whom 16% of Luhansk residents voted. Elections in the republic were held at the turnout in 77%. About 70% of bulletins are currently processed.

The Central Election Commission of the DPR publishes turnout data and preliminary election results. It is reported that more than 80% of the population of the republic came to the ballot boxes. According to the chairman of the CEC of the DPR, Olga Pozdnyakova, the elections were successful, and no serious violations were recorded against them. It was possible to avoid provocation from the Ukrainian side.

According to the results of processing 77% of ballots, Denis Pushilin is in the lead, putting forward his candidacy for the post of head of the people's republic. About 60% of those who came to the polls voted for him. In the second place is Roman Evstifeev, who has about 6,5%.

In the elections to the People’s Council of the DPR, the “Donetsk Republic” public movement is leading, gaining over 76% of the vote. About 23% who came to the polling station cast their votes for another social movement - “Free Donbass”.

On the eve of their dissatisfaction with the elections in the Donbass expressed various foreign political forces. We decided to be noted in NATO. In the military bloc, which has already managed to carry out an invasion of various countries of the world (from Yugoslavia to Libya), they announced that the elections in the Donbas "undermine the efforts for a peaceful settlement." The Ukrainian shelling of the LDNR territory, in the opinion of NATO, does not seem to undermine these efforts, but the elections are undermining. Such a "logic".

In LDNR, this “logic” was given an unequivocal answer: an organization that has unleashed dozens of military conflicts cannot, by definition, reflect on peace.

Comments

[Theodore]

With an initiative however! But what is the title of the chapter called?

[Sands Careers General]

This is what the "Head of the Republic" is called. After the elections, without any I.O.

[210ox]

Now they need to unite, and Russia to recognize the republic.

[Sands Careers General]

I agree that we need to unite, but there is such a thing that is not very consecrated, our states are not yet fully implemented, there are many gaps in this regard. We must take place as a state, gain political weight, then we are automatically recognized. But it is very difficult.

[210ox]

You know what I'll say .. No offense. As a separate state, you will not take place. Or together with Russia, or .... well, in short "or" I do not wish you.

[Sands Careers General]

Naturally with Russia. We are the Russian world.

[Machito]

Elections to the LDNR were held in accordance with the Minsk agreements, confirming the independence of the republics and orientation towards Russia.

[Semen1972]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Naturally with Russia. We are the Russian world.

And it does not depend on you. If Russia (we read P. and his friends) is not profitable, never unite. If after that the euro will be 100, gasoline at 100, mortgage at 20% ... then ... we respect you .. as neighbors !!!

[Sands Careers General]

It just depends on us. And everything that has been happening since the year 14 was just the common interests of the future Republics and Russia. Personally, like the vast majority of the inhabitants of Donbass, I was sick of the ban on the Russian language, the humiliation of Russians, and similar things.
And the wife, a geography teacher, recalls teaching the subject in Ukrainian as a nightmare. And this is in the region where 95% speak Russian.

[Semen1972]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Personally, like the vast majority of the inhabitants of Donbass, I was sick of the ban on the Russian language, the humiliation of Russians, and similar things

And for me you were zombified. In neighboring Slavyansk, no one has banned the Russian language and no one humiliates anyone. Moreover, they give pensions there. I know not by hearsay, the relatives are there. And you are a victim of propaganda. And what about what depends on you .. If it depended, you would have been part of Russia. They would receive Russian pensions, subsidies, etc. In the meantime - shish you. We can only supply weapons so that you would fight there until the last Ukrainian. We need a vacant lot there. And so it happens, you are at war and will fight .. with yourself .. and with the "Bandera"

[Sands Careers General]

Ooh, judging by your words - you don’t know anything, and don’t understand.
This mantra - "Russian was not banned, and there are no Bandera members in Ukraine" is worthy only of either a stubborn character or a person who, in principle, does not understand what is happening here.
Personally, I can afford to cover what is happening with us, because was on the Maidan, then was in the Crimea, during the famous events of 2014, and then in the war.

So, do not tell me fairy tales.
Tell me, why Crimea can easily join the structure of Russia, but we do not? Do you know?

[Harry.km]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Tell me, why Crimea can easily join the structure of Russia, but we do not? Do you know?

Many people ask this question to themselves and others ... if you know the answer, enlighten

[Sands Careers General]

One has only to look at the official name of the Crimea and its status until 2014.
Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
I hope you do not need to chew?

[Harry.km]

Quote: Sands Career General

One has only to look at the official name of the Crimea and its status until 2014.
Autonomous Republic of Crimea.
I hope you do not need to chew?

If it doesn’t bother you, then be so kind ... I don’t understand

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

why Crimea can easily join Russia, and we don’t

due to the status of the ARC. The Constitution of Ukraine and Russia does not provide such a feint for territorial entities.

[Semen1972]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

So, do not tell me fairy tales.

You are nobody to me, therefore there is no reason to believe. And I have a grandmother there .. she does not know Ukrainian and lives ... And recently I watched an interview on the Internet of Verka Serdyuchka in YouTube .. in Russian ..oohh)) So la-la about forbidden Russian is not necessary. Leave it to Kiselev, you do not overshadow him.

[Sands Careers General]

You are nobody to me, and I do not urge me to believe or not, but I am from Lugansk, so it’s stupid not to listen to the objective truth.
And in Western women, the Russian language is already banned in certain regions at the legislative level. But this is of course Kiselevism. Yes, and I’ll say more, even the existence of our Republics is Kiselevschina, 3.5 ragged militias are fighting with the most powerful army in Europe, a place with Buryats and the GRU)))
But Lugansk and Donetsk splitsya ukrainskoy mine and bazhe boot in Ukraine
And ce never Kiselov)))

And grandmother is not the daughter of an officer?))

[Semen1972]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

And in Western women, the Russian language is already banned in certain regions at the legislative level

Lugansk in the West? Zapadentsy always did not like the east.
[quote3.5 ragged militia fighting with the most powerful army in Europe, a place with the Buryats and the GRU)))] [/ quote]
Don’t tell me, it’s the miners in the forest. They opened the tanks and let’s take them to the boilers. And about the drill .. You are about the one whom Kobzon visited, and who boasted on YouTube? Or about vacationers .... and sorry, which are not ..))) Or trains did not come from Eburg? You were banned on YouTube .... AAAAA .... Are you a Kremlin boat? Prigogine s / n pays?))) Good botswa, my kremlebot friend !!!

[Sands Careers General]

Sorry of course, but are you all right with your head? What is this stream of subconscious, a chaotic set of letters?

[Semen1972]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Sorry of course, but are you all right with your head?

And did you think that your nonsense has already gone crazy all over?) Or are there only grandfathers on the topvar who are watching Solovyov-Kiselyov and can they pour any game? Okay, servant, you get paid, you work out, don’t worry.

[Separ]

They don't pass you in vain ... you are AMNUEL in the "square"

[Dr_engie]

That is, they took and sent the Minsk agreements, well done. Don’t whine later when Belarus closes the border with Russia.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Dr_Engie

That is, they took and sent the Minsk agreements, well done. Don’t whine later when Belarus closes the border with Russia.

Really Ukrainians fulfilled the Minsk agreement?

[Dr_engie]

They did everything in their power.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Dr_Engie

They did everything in their power.

Funny.

[Dr_engie]

This is why Lukashenka said in recent days that "Belarus will not spoil relations with the United States, even to the detriment of itself" and that "Belarus will never become one state with the Russian Federation"

[ksv36]

"Belarus will never become one state with the Russian Federation"

Ukrainians have pots. And what will Bulbash put on his head?

[rhino]

Do you even know where the pans came from and why ??? you all use the word pan-leguminous and don’t even know what it means.

[Separ]

Probably cast iron?

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Dr_Engie

This is why Lukashenka said in recent days that "Belarus will not spoil relations with the United States, even to the detriment of itself" and that "Belarus will never become one state with the Russian Federation"

Lukashenko 20 times to change his attitude towards the United States.

[210ox]

Lukashenko says a lot of things .. And by and large, these phrases are taken out of context by our media.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Dr_Engie

Don’t whine later when Belarus closes the border with Russia.

What a charm - like that, in one phrase, to make a day ... Cool.

[Separ]

Russians do not whine, Russians - with their fist in the snout and rest in the shade

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Our states are not yet fully implemented, there are many gaps in this regard.

without RF you will not succeed

[Sands Careers General]

This is understandable. Russia helps us, this is the key word. But does not work for us. All by yourself, but with help.

[LSA57]

Quote: Theodore

With an initiative however!

that’s what is alarming. in the morning I’m watching News on the First and on Russia 1. no sound about the elections. they only talk about the elections in Khakassia

[pvv113]

Probably waiting for the final results.
Sergey. !

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

Probably waiting for the final results.

yes usually about the elections themselves and the turnout they say without waiting for the outcome. and it’s as if they weren’t
Vladimir

[pvv113]

Sergey, here is a slightly different case, so maybe they are afraid to rush things, and take an excerpt

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

therefore perhaps they are afraid to rush things, and take an excerpt

I do not know. but that someone is muddying.

[pvv113]

But it is quite possible

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

But it is quite possible

It seems to me that it is in Paris that GDP should finally be determined. then something will start

[pvv113]

I agree that further fate may be decided in Paris, but for now we are content with publicly available information

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

but for now, we are content with publicly available information

and what else remains to be done.
You can't listen to the Voice of America

[pvv113]

There are still Ukrainian media

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

There are still Ukrainian media

and small british

[pvv113]

That's for sure - finely British! They crushed it before that even provocations at their level of courtyard robber Cossacks

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

They crushed it before that even provocations at their level of yard robber Cossacks

but people then hawala

[pvv113]

That's right - "people", and adequate people see a seam of white threads

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

and adequate people see a seam of white thread

there are fewer of them and no one hears them

[pvv113]

Or do not hear, or do not want to hear

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

Or do not hear, or do not want to hear

some do not want, others do not hear

[pvv113]

And the third is not allowed to hear

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

And the third is not allowed to hear

and the fourth "MOYAKHATASKRAYU"

[pvv113]

By the way, they are said about these that they are more dangerous than the enemy

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

By the way, they are said about these that they are more dangerous than the enemy

"Do not be afraid of your enemies - at worst they can kill you.
Do not be afraid of friends - in the worst case, they can betray you.
Fear the indifferent - they do not kill or betray, but only with their tacit consent does treason and murder exist on earth. "" S "

[pvv113]

It was this quote that I had in mind

[LSA57]

Quote: pvv113

It was this quote that I had in mind

there are many options, but the meaning is one

[Same lech]

The main thing is what next?
To be honest, I do not accept the Minsk agreements after the assassination of Zakharchenko ... no talk about the integration of LDNR into Ukraine should, by definition ... be allowed to live peacefully with murderers ... with those who kill LDNR citizens every day from small children to leaders and all the conversations of Pushkov, Putin and other politicians on this subject began to cause me a grimace of bile ... this is a two-faced policy beyond understanding of the main value of a person ... his life.

[Spartanec]

To promise does not mean to marry! I just recommend that you follow the actions of the above-mentioned politicians and not for what they say. It’s just that Russia shouldn’t go into the Donbas openly now and they’re sick about the Minsk agreements.

[210ox]

It’s impossible!? And what does this threaten us with? In 2014, it’s impossible, now it’s impossible, and then it’s impossible ... Will there be gas projects?

[Dr_engie]

And what kind of Russia is climbing there? Well then, let Germany unite the Germans of Austria, the Czech Republic, and regain Western Poland and Koenigsberg.

[NKT]

Germany has already taken away the GDR, are you suggesting that the Russian Federation take away everything that belonged to it on 28.07.1914/1945/XNUMX? At the expense of Kaliningrad - well, let him try to pick it up, if the pick-up has strengthened after XNUMX.

[Separ]

"Russia is everywhere" (Vladimir Putin)

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Dr_Engie

They killed their own Zakharchenko, like the others. What are you like small children?

Forgotten to see ... And the "Russian army" will not overcome the Ukrainian ... Be brave !!!! More imagination !!!.

[Dr_engie]

Well, why exaggerate?
What happened after any revolution? The internal struggle for power among the winners. And in the young union it was also.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Dr_Engie

Well, why exaggerate?
What happened after any revolution? The internal struggle for power among the winners. And in the young union it was also.

Well at least half rave ... The second time the people of Donbass made a choice. They do not want and will not live with Bandera.

[Korax71]

Fantasy is not here by any means. It’s just interesting. A Ukrainian drg penetrated a cafe owned by one of Zakharchenko’s guards, mined it and carried it out, but then it was caught. Mossad nervously smokes to the side. pass. there are no miracles in life.

[Antares]

Quote: Korax71

Fantasy is not here sideways

Well, each country or region has its own miracles.
In Ukraine the conditional "Putin" is to blame for everything, in ORDiLO it is the conditional "Ukrainian DRG", in Russia there are enough miracles of their own (also someone is to blame, from the Ukrainians to the USA).
It is simply more profitable to blame the external, the usual psychological attitude (enemies are all around, rallying around the appointed "leader") politicians in manipulating the consciousness of citizens.

[Separ]

Maybe you’ll call the names, appearances, organizers ...

[bessmertniy]

NATO and the West continue to reject the main principle of democracy in relation to the DPR and LPR - the election of power. Namely, the people should determine their power and demand from it what they want. If the people of these republics want accession to Russia, then this is legal if they express their will. The same applies to Crimea. The people realized their right - this is not a reason for some political envy to impose sanctions against Russia.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Dr_Engie

That is, when a person at the point of a machine gun votes - is this power you honestly elected?

Tell Western observers about the "automata". They were in the elections. Or, too, were they forced to look at gunpoint?

[pvv113]

I am embarrassed to ask: from what edges will you be? On whose side do you see the muzzle of the machine gun?

[Meshcheryak]

Quote: pvv113

I am embarrassed to ask: from what edges will you be? On whose side do you see the muzzle of the machine gun?

They removed the flags on VO, now only memory can be identified.

[pvv113]

Yes, without flags it’s a bit uncomfortable. But some managed to hide a rotten little soul under a decent flag

[Meshcheryak]

Unfortunately, there was always enough rot, there was no getting around it, but with flags it was easier to recognize ... Although there are a lot of decent people left in the ruin, I personally know many of them.

[pvv113]

Here I am about the same

[Separ]

It’s you who dispersed your supreme Rada of the previous convocation at gunpoint and think that everyone is doing it.

[rhino]

And in the West there are no elections ??? They know very well who started the war in the Donbass, they know very well. Therefore, these fake formations of the DPR and LPR will never receive support in the West.

[Separ]

And we are west to the bulb ..

[rhino]

Check to what light bulb ??? Incandescent, mercury or LED ???

[oracul]

The main thing is that the majority of the population, despite the fatigue from the life that the junta of Ukraine creates for them, has supported its current government. This may well change Russia's policy towards the republics.

[rocket757]

That’s what our upper decision will be made very important .... otherwise there will never be peace on LDN.

[ksv36]

Quote: oracul

This may well change Russia's policy towards the republics.

I do not agree. And do not confuse Russia with those who are at its helm. This is not the same thing. Our politics are different, like that.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Good idea. And then the sofa marshals are fed up with their Wishlist voiced like Lenin’s theses in April ...

[vladcub]

If you think that the elections to the DLNR were held without the consent of Moscow, then you are deeply mistaken.

[rhino]

Interesting idea)))

[bald]

The elections took place, as one would expect. When everything finally settles down and let only LDNR be recognized by the republic (s), and if they decide, then it’s already calm to act, as in Abkhazia and Ossetia. First, introduce your contingent. And there according to the situation.

[bald]

Your logic is clear - my hut from the edge. We drove through.

[Korax71]

It’s not a matter of hiding. I’m guessing what will happen if the Russian Federation enters its contingent in the LNR. Do you want another conflict with the participation of the Russian troops in violation of the international treaty on the integrity of Ukraine signed by Russia as well?

[NKT]

Tell Germany, France and Poland about the integrity of Ukraine, and at the same time, about the implementation of treaties, especially international

[bald]

And what happened in the North Caucasus? - Now they are not shelling and stealing civilians there. Well, there is no need to invent anything here, this is the only scenario to stop the shelling. There are definitely people who want to fight there from Russia. Plus open deliveries of modern weapons.

[Korax71]

The North Caucasus is the territory of Russia. It’s not a good comparison. And as a person who has visited more than once, I can say that they will never stop shooting and stealing people. Whether our troops or law enforcement agencies are there or not, open arms deliveries only push our partners for the same supply from this blood will only pour more.

[bald]

Peace must come in the republics - not shelling, and not just peace agreements, even on the moon, will help. Fascism has revived in Ukraine, and it can only be burned with hot iron - only then will peace come. Although there are problems, in western Ukraine there will still be enough above the roof.

[ksv36]

Tell me, is your personal or all-Russian hemorrhoids?

[Separ]

You probably 0,00005% of the residents of the Russian Federation from those who did not support the accession of Crimea.

[rhino]

You have already entered it. They scored Donbass with tanks, guns and other weapons. Has it become easier ??? Well, create another Transnistria, then what ??? Sanctions will be introduced against Russia, and so on. How will you get out of the impasse ???

[Olgovich]

The people of Donbass performed the feat: in spite of everything, they came to the polls and said our word.
And most importantly their word: "Forever with Russia!"

[Dr_engie]

Their main word is that they want a war by simply crossing out the Minsk agreements

[ksv36]

Where are such conclusions coming from, I wonder? Your mouth, yes chili pepper to eat for days. One hemorrhoids from the Crimea, the other generally obscurantism of the eyes. Miracles, and only ...

[Separ]

Study the "Minsk Agreements" carefully point by point, and then "post"

[Antares]

Quote: Olgovich

The people of Donbass performed the feat: in spite of everything, they came to the polls and said their word.
And most importantly their word: "Forever with Russia!"

honestly, their feat is that they live being hostages of the situation. And in what they wanted, they spoke out back in 2014. And still their desire is used to the fullest by the "partners".
Stockholm syndrome.
It only remains for them to wish to preserve themselves and loved ones in these political frauds.

[rhino]

I support on 100%.

[mikh-korsakov]

FINALLY! Previously, they helped as much as they could, but were embarrassed or were afraid to admit it, everyone said. they say where is your evidence? This time they stopped being shy. Well, what will the Ukrainian brother do in response now. Punish LDNR? So there is no more left to ruin. He will take those who voted on a pencil, so there will not be enough paper. It is necessary to depict innocence less, still no one believes, but rather help restore order there. Our liberals whine that they should spend it again instead of building hospitals, kindergartens, etc. Your cries are in vain, gentlemen. A talented and skilled people live in the Donbass - they can do it themselves - you don’t need to drive them by the handle. This is not your smelly newspaper. and labor Donbass.

[Machito]

Ukraine declared all participating in the elections criminals, once again pushing the people of Donbass away even further.

[Antares]

Quote: Bearded

Ukraine declared all participating in the election as criminals

distorted information

Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Alexander Turchinov threatened with criminal responsibility to all the organizers and participants of the election of heads and deputies of the councils in the self-proclaimed DPR and LPR. According to him, the upcoming elections will be regarded as criminal offenses in Ukraine.

it concerns only the organizers and participants of the process (staff and assistants), and not the people.
Or will you have to plant a million Ukrainians or something? Yes, Turchinov has no opportunity for this.

[Valid benchmark]

Dear, are you having difficulty translating from Turchinovsky to human? The bloody pastor clearly said the ELECTION participants, and you are transferring the PROCESS participants. And where did you get the idea that Turchinov generally has the opportunity to at least put someone in LDNR?

[rhino]

This is when Ukraine announced this ??? The Verkhovna Rada adopted the law, and the President signed it ??? Maybe the secret law ???

[vladcub]

That the "enlightened" West is dissatisfied can be explained briefly: the cue of the "regional committee" did not approve of Washington, while others took a peak.
"Roman Yevstafiev is in second place" is nothing surprising: Pushilin has already "lit up" and, although he is acting, he is the head of the republic, and who is Yevstafiev?
Our Roman, something is not thrilled, to put it mildly, from Pushilin. Apparently, there are reasons?

[DEDPIHTO]

With Pushilina at the head, the republic will have to be called MMM

[Mimoprohodil]

With such a specialist, DNR revenues will grow by 400% per year

[DEDPIHTO]

Do you want to say that he is 400% cooler than those, specialists, who shoved him? Chego then Russia does not observe such dividends Is it that the pahanata, and even that is a bit much

[super duper]

How many% of the inhabitants came, this is what? How were they counted? Most of them have already left from there, but it doesn’t matter, the Kremlin has set whom it is necessary. What for? Yes, everything is simple, especially intractable about the surrender of the republic to Ukraine, the FSB removed it, now its own, loyal proteges will do everything right.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Superpuper

How many% of the inhabitants came, this is what? How were they counted? Most of them have already left from there, but it doesn’t matter, the Kremlin has set whom it is necessary. What for? Yes, everything is simple, especially intractable about the surrender of the republic to Ukraine, the FSB removed it, now its own, loyal proteges will do everything right.

There is such a word election observers. Do not believe it, they were there. Ask questions about the percentage of those who came to them.

[Avior]

there were no observers there.
if you recruited a couple of dozens of marginals in the outskirts of Europe, gave them money, brought them to LDNR, and there they fed and fed them to their pleasure, or they threw women with reduced social responsibility, these were.
But observers who, by definition, should have either high personal authority, or represent an organization with such authority, did not have them.

[Valid benchmark]

The main thing is that you personally were there. I have no doubt about this, with great knowledge of the matter you talk about grub and women provided to the observers, for a person with a high personal authority, which you undoubtedly are, could not suck it out of your finger.

[Separ]

This is probably what you did in Ukraine when the coup was carried out in 2014, despite the fact that you have women with reduced social responsibility across the country ..

[Korax71]

By the way, observers from Germany are still the same pro-Russian right-wing party in Germany in a certain region. About the observer from France nothing is known at all. About Greece, the observer is the Deputy Minister of Defense of Greece; Co-Chairman of the Joint Russian-Greek Commission for Economic, Industrial, Scientific and Technical Cooperation Kostas Hesychos.

[Antares]

Quote: Superpuper

How many% of the inhabitants came, this is what? How were they counted? Most of them have already left, but it’s not important,

By the way, data on residents of the territory is also a topic of manipulation (well, the more "Russian world" means, the less, then "Ukrainian world")
So, before the war, according to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, 4,3 million people lived in the Donetsk region and 2,3 million people in the Lugansk region. As a result of the war, Moscow has at its disposal 1/3 of the regions.
According to the Ministry of Social Policy of Ukraine, the number of internally displaced persons from the conflict zone in the Donbass and from Crimea, registered, is 1,8 million (the number of Crimeans who went “to the mainland”, given the number, can be neglected). According to the official data of the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation for February 2016 (now there are more). the number of migrants from Donbass to Russia was 600 thousand. That is, somewhere minus 2.5 million from 1/3 of the regions.
And the statistical authorities ORDILO
As of June 1, 2017, the “LPR” and “DPR” statistics departments had a population of 3,8 million people.
According to estimates in the “DPR”, the present population is 2 million 308 thousand 133 people
In the "LPR" the population is 1 million 480 thousand 804 inhabitants.
In general, judge for yourself. Pre-war 4.3 million with 100% of the territory of the regions. 3.8 million (if you believe ORDiLO) in 1/3 with the presence of fixed immigrants and those who left for the Russian Federation (more than two)
Mariupol alone is half a million.
Although maybe ORDiLO considers everything together with Ukrainian

[Separ]

And by the way, for an unproven defamation of the FSB, you can get an article, do not be afraid ... you are our democratic

[super duper]

You seem to have amnesia, in 2014 there were already elections of heads and the Russian Federation recognized them, something has changed a lot, have they recognized them?)))

[Ros 56]

Order must be put in place in the republics and deal with the economy.

[Semen1972]

Quote: Ros 56

Order must be put in place in the republics and deal with the economy.

And before that there was anarchy and famine?

[Ros 56]

The mess was and is there, otherwise the men would not have been blown up. They relaxed early, as a matter of fact there is a war, so there must be appropriate requirements for the situation.

[rhino]

Until 2014, Ukraine no longer knew where to kiss these miners. Their salaries were $ 1500 each and pensions sky-high. The region was subsidized.

[Avior]

Elections, of course, are a gross violation of the Minsk agreements - they are provided for there, but are spelled out completely differently.
Why didn’t they spend around Minsk?
It is clear that no Lyashko or Yarosh will win the election there.
But the people of Akhmetov are easy. People in LDNR are tired of the war, their miserable position in comparison with the parts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions that remained under Ukraine is obvious and obvious to them in the LDNR, the average salary is 4-6 thousand rubles, and next to the roadblocks the average salary is under 25 ty, and the minimum under 8- 9 tyr.
And prices are much lower than in LDNR. Plus, everyone has long been well aware that there are no close concentration camps for Russian and crucified boys in Ukraine.
Akhmetov in Donetsk is associated with well-fed, peaceful years, they are ready to vote for him.
Therefore, Khodakovsky, in principle, could not get into LDNR, even with pocket commissions and observers from European drunks.
In the elections under the Minsk agreements, Khodakovsky’s chances would be almost XNUMX percent.
But after that, the situation will sharply get out of the control of the Kremlin.
Does he need it?
So people remain hostages of the situation.

[Avior]

I would forbid minus or plus without comment.
To be seen later it was who writes on the case, and who just jumped in to pomp.
And to whom specifically the reality of the eye pricks, there is nothing to argue, but minus the hands

[Korax71]

You’ll be mined simply because your opinion is different from others. Yes and minus it’s much easier to stick in than to argue and there it doesn’t matter whether you are right or not

[Avior]

I would say not opinion, but belief.
An opinion is necessary to argue, and conviction is optional.
"I'm shielding and you won't prove anything."
Again, the cognitive dissonance between reality and beliefs pulls a hand to minus.
TV wins against reality

[Semen1972]

Quote: Avior

I would say not opinions, but beliefs

Opinion and persuasion forms the telly))) as they say, it is necessary to think)))

[Valid benchmark]

Quote: Korax71

You’ll be mined simply because your opinion is different from those around you. Yes and minus it’s much easier to stick in than to argue and it doesn’t matter whether you are right or wrong

Everything is easier respected. Tovarischa is ignored because part of his comments is lodges, such as the average salary at checkpoints of 25 tyrov. It is not difficult to compare with the data of the Ukrainian State Statistics Service, and the second is enchanting nonsense, such as a one-hundred-percent victory of Khodorkovsky in the elections to the LDNR. Frankly speaking, he himself condescended to explanations from pure altruism, because I do not see any reason for discussion with you.

[Separ]

You just indicated some kind of provincial salaries -Russian- “I don’t believe” (Stanislavsky) .. and what about the prices for “komunalku” on the territory of Donbass free of “terrorists”?

[Machito]

Quote: Dr_Engie

That is, they took and sent the Minsk agreements, well done. Don’t whine later when Belarus closes the border with Russia.

Belarus will close the border with the Russian Federation?
The Old Man, unlike you, has brains; he is not going to starve his citizens. GDP will whisper a magic word in his ear, and he will block the border with Ukraine.

[fa2998]

Quote: 210ox

Now they need to unite, and Russia to recognize the republic.

And it will expand a little, at least to the administrative borders of the regions. At the moment, control of 20%

[Avior]

yeah. and the people in that part, which is near Ukraine, will joyfully refuse an average salary of 25 ty for a salary of 5 ty. in LDNR.
Well, so that prices have increased markedly, all just dream about it.
PS You do not hold people for fools. The time has passed when we looked at LDNR with romance not only in the Donetsk region, but also in Kharkov or Odessa. Now there are no fools, nobody needs it.

[L10n77]

Quote: Avior

Elections, of course, are a gross violation of the Minsk agreements - they are provided for there, but are spelled out completely differently.
Why didn’t they spend around Minsk?
It is clear that no Lyashko or Yarosh will win the election there.
But the people of Akhmetov are easy. People in LDNR are tired of the war, their miserable position in comparison with the parts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions that remained under Ukraine is obvious and obvious to them in the LDNR, the average salary is 4-6 thousand rubles, and next to the roadblocks the average salary is under 25 ty, and the minimum under 8- 9 tyr.
And prices are much lower than in LDNR. Plus, everyone has long been well aware that there are no close concentration camps for Russian and crucified boys in Ukraine.
Akhmetov in Donetsk is associated with well-fed, peaceful years, they are ready to vote for him.
Therefore, Khodakovsky, in principle, could not get into LDNR, even with pocket commissions and observers from European drunks.
In the elections under the Minsk agreements, Khodakovsky’s chances would be almost XNUMX percent.
But after that, the situation will sharply get out of the control of the Kremlin.
Does he need it?
So people remain hostages of the situation.

It's just strange, if there are such salaries in the Ukrop territory (average 25 sput), then why are so many Ukrainians jamming in Russia, moreover, for much lower salaries? Further, in the same Minsk agreements the elections in Donetsk and Lugansk are spelled out, but according to what rules they are not spelled out, so why are you breaking spears, what are "wrong elections"?

[Avior]

those who have left for a long time work in Russia, the new ones practically do not go, now they go to Europe.
It is registered according to what rules the elections are held, according to Ukrainian laws under the supervision of the OSCE.
Read the agreement.

[Separ]

Have you fulfilled the clauses "Minsk Agreements No. 1,2,3 and further? No? Then what are you talking about ... Donbass congratulations !!!"

[Korax71]

If you look at the data of our authorities, then in total there are about 2.4 million working Ukrainians in Russia, and 1 million of them are residents of the Southeast, i.e. decreases every year. Someone now goes to Europe, someone finds work at home. These are official figures. And Mrs. Zakharova voiced

[Harry.km]

Quote: L10n77

Further, in the same Minsk agreements the elections in Donetsk and Lugansk are spelled out, but according to what rules they are not spelled out, so why are you breaking spears, what are "wrong elections"?

Have you ever read these agreements ???

12. Based on the Law of Ukraine “On the Interim Order of Local Self-Government in Separate Districts of Donetsk and Lugansk Regions”, issues related to local elections will be discussed and agreed upon with representatives of certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions within the framework of the Tripartite Contact Group. Elections will be held in accordance with relevant OSCE standards and monitored by the OSCE / ODIHR. (with)

[Curbstone xnumx]

Mmmshchik chepushilin, well, you go the right way comrades. He will merge everyone and everything

[Avior]

nothing depends on him there.
except collecting money from traders in the local market, perhaps.

[Antares]

Hmm ... no one doubted the "victory" of Pasechnik and Pushilin.

[Separ]

We saw the elections - a lot of people came, but we could not see the groats and vegetables ...

[Sailor]

Quote: LSA57

will unite

We have our own people there https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2018-11/1542030086_hcpispstw2g.jpg

[Sailor]

Funny pictures are not loaded ((Tell me how, men

[pvv113]

In the lower corner of the pre-loaded picture there is a light square. You need to click on it to tag, and only then publish

[rhino]

The reason for this election is as clear as God's day. Ukraine refused to conduct a dialogue with the "heads" of the DPR and LPR, since behind them was and is Russia. If we had a dialogue with them, it turns out in Ukraine they recognize that there is a civil war. Having held these elections, Russia will again try to put them in the negotiations and again unleash the topic of the civil war, and we are, like, not in business. Ukraine's reaction is absolutely predictable. no one will negotiate with them.