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The crew of the frigate of the Navy of Norway repeatedly warned of approaching the tanker

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The Norwegian press publishes the details of the incident with the frigate of the Royal Navy "Helge Ingstad" project "Nansen". Recall that while participating in the NATO exercises "Trident Juncture-2019" the frigate made a collision with a tanker flying under the Maltese flag.


The Norwegian media reports, citing the investigation, say that the tanker was fully loaded with oil at the time of the collision. Only a fluke did not lead to the spill of huge volumes of petroleum products off the coast of Norway in the area of ​​Bergen.

The crew of the frigate of the Navy of Norway repeatedly warned of approaching the tanker


It is noted that the crew of the frigate was warned about the dangerous approach to the tanker. It turns out that for what reasons no measures were taken to avoid this collision. More precisely, the measures were taken, but only at the very last moment before the “contact” with the tanker "Sola". A study of the data led to the conclusion that by the time of the collision, the Norwegian warship was on 17 nodes, and the oil tanker was on seven.

From the preliminary report of the investigating commission:
The crew did not take the necessary measures to prevent a collision. The ship did not have a clear understanding of the operational situation in the area in which Helge Ingstad was located. Sola TS has reported Ingsta on several occasions, also duplicating signals of a dangerous approach to coastal services.


The commander of the Norwegian frigate states that actions to prevent a collision were taken "late", as a sharp maneuver could lead to the hull of the warship literally fling rocks, which in the event of departure from the collision would be directed frigate.

Meanwhile, it was stated that the tanker Sola was trying to convey to the crew of the Norwegian frigate in which particular direction it was worth making a maneuver, taking into account that there was enough space in the collision area for such a maneuver. But it did not help.

Adding to the oddities is that a suggestion was made in Norway about a possible shutdown of ship identification systems on the frigate.

It is assumed that this was done in connection with the tasks that were set for the crew of the combat ship in the framework of NATO military maneuvers.

After a collision with a tanker, the Norwegian frigate lost control, the rudders failed, and the warship went into drift. At a speed near the 5 nodes, the “Helge Ingstad” hit the rocky coast north of Bergen. Meanwhile, in the internal compartments, water flowed through a hole below the waterline. As a result, broken wiring “shorted out”, smoke appeared. The crew in the number of 137 people left the ship. Several people were injured, injured and poisoned by acrid smoke.

So that the ship did not break on the rocks, with the help of tugs, its position was corrected.

The Norwegian military command said that this is a strong blow to the royal the fleet. Representatives of the Norwegian Navy refrain from other comments to the press.
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  1. AshiSolo
    AshiSolo 11 November 2018 08: 24
    +12
    For all those who served, the conclusion is the same: in peacetime, warriors everywhere are still clanking :)
    1. cost
      cost 11 November 2018 08: 32
      +78
      the ancient viking code of honor says that his dragcar must not give way to an oil tanker. Not by concept. recourse So the captain of the frigate is right. yes
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 11 November 2018 08: 38
        +28
        am You’re right! A warship and giving way to some primitive * oil tanker *? Better on the rocks! Honor is more expensive!
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 11 November 2018 09: 28
          +1
          Quote: Phil77
          Better on the rocks! Honor is more expensive!

          in the ancient viking code of honor

          so whose frigate is Norwegian or Japanese? request lol
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 11 November 2018 10: 15
            +33
            Quote: LSA57
            so whose frigate is Norwegian or Japanese?

            What's the difference whose frigate and whose "code of honor" - truncated NATO continues to sail according to the precepts of Zadornov wassat
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 11 November 2018 10: 22
              +3
              Damn, I also wanted to insert this video
              drinks
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 11 November 2018 10: 28
                +9
                Quote: Shurik70
                I also wanted to insert this video
                drinks
                AHA - the title of the article should have been good
                1. Borets
                  Borets 12 November 2018 12: 48
                  0
                  Reminded) https://youtu.be/ZQWmbohkuXY
              2. venik
                venik 11 November 2018 12: 08
                +4
                Quote: Shurik70
                Damn, I also wanted to insert this video
                drinks

                =======
                Obviously, we are thinking with Shurik and Serg Koma equally - I wanted to insert it myself, but I decided to see "did anyone get ahead" ??? It turned out - FORWARDED !! drinks
              3. Kent0001
                Kent0001 11 November 2018 18: 24
                +4
                I think tutu many such a thought arose ....
          2. venik
            venik 11 November 2018 12: 05
            +6
            Quote: LSA57
            so whose frigate is Norwegian or Japanese? request lol

            ========
            What are you, my friend "dull", however! Norwegian of course !!! The Japanese would have rushed to the ram with a cry "Banzai!!! " laughing wassat lol
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 11 November 2018 12: 12
              +1
              Quote: venik
              The Japanese would have rushed to the ram, shouting "Banzai !!!"

              maybe it was laughing
              the investigation is not over laughing
            2. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2018 22: 18
              0
              I imagined this picture: screams ,, banzai ,, and the screaming frigate! :-) :-)
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2018 22: 19
                0
                Sorry ,, escaping tanker ,,
        2. SSR
          SSR 11 November 2018 10: 07
          +9
          Quote: Phil77
          to the primordial * oil carrier *? Better on the rocks! Honor is more expensive!

          To reward the "officers" of the tanker for the ramming and present mementos for the successful operation to disrupt the NATO exercises.
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 11 November 2018 10: 33
            +5
            Quote: SSR
            To reward the "officers" of the tanker for the ramming and present mementos for the successful operation to disrupt the NATO exercises.

            Only the queue for Petrov and Basharov will be occupied, and the Austrian pensioner-beneficiary will certainly "skip the line" as a veteran .... Not soon they will receive their awards / gifts laughing
            1. jjj
              jjj 11 November 2018 16: 24
              +5
              And interestingly: at what shipyard are such strong tankers built?
        3. sedoj
          sedoj 11 November 2018 12: 56
          +2
          Quote: Phil77

          You’re right! A warship and giving way to some primitive * oil tanker *? Better on the rocks! Honor is more expensive!

          It was "bulk", just "bulk". It was just that the tanker was driving out a stranger who had come out of nowhere from its territory. Not shit ... am
      2. AshiSolo
        AshiSolo 11 November 2018 10: 09
        +14
        In this case, the warship was not a frigate laughing
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        2. figwam
          figwam 11 November 2018 10: 34
          +12
          Quote: AshiSolo
          In this case, the warship was not a frigate laughing

          A battle tanker sank a frigate, just a frigate.
      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 11 November 2018 22: 15
        +1
        ,, the captain of the frigate is right ,,
        Punish this goat! Why didn’t the oil spill ?! Slack! :-)
    2. Fedorov
      Fedorov 11 November 2018 08: 36
      +5
      So everything depends on the commanders. A lot of free time - all kinds of regular checks right up to the point where the anchor is sharpened. wink the main thing is not to relax.
      1. cost
        cost 11 November 2018 08: 42
        +6
        So the anchor has sharpened .... for its fifth point ... the Norwegian government will put this anchor in it wink
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 11 November 2018 22: 36
          +1
          Quote: Rich
          So the anchor was ground.

          Yes, no, the torpedo was polished. laughing
    3. Foxmara
      Foxmara 11 November 2018 08: 40
      +4
      it happens. when conscripts are driving .. in our unit, conscripts-firefighters half-filled the ATs-40 and overturned on their side on the corner.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 11 November 2018 08: 45
        +23
        Grays! During my service in the GSVG, the Germans had a saying: * Look to the left, look to the right, is there a Russian * Ural *? *.
        1. Fedorov
          Fedorov 11 November 2018 09: 02
          +8
          I remember how our tank on the roads there stalled, the composition flew. Even in Soviet newspapers they wrote. wink
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 11 November 2018 09: 05
            +8
            And we have a BMPshka in the cafe! Thank God it was at night, but the boil was glorious because it was! Torgau.
            1. Fedorov
              Fedorov 11 November 2018 09: 13
              +3
              So did they stop by for a cup of tea or cool down for a beer? There is a big difference smile
          2. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 13 November 2018 17: 13
            0
            I remember this incident. When the engine hit our dead tank, the crew commander told the mechanic, look who was knocking on us! The engine flew off the rail. Of the people, no one was hurt.
        2. prapor55
          prapor55 11 November 2018 09: 29
          +13
          Yes, but all the same there was a glorious time, but alas, thanks to the drunk, the most combat-ready group at that time was destroyed. hi
        3. evgeny68
          evgeny68 11 November 2018 15: 59
          +3
          This is not a saying, it is a fact, Karl Marx went on a march along the stadt, the trabant wedged into the convoy, of course, what is it to slow down the Urals and what is trabant. The Urals drove the trabant into the ass, which is curious, the front wings bounced, the ass only cracked.
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 11 November 2018 09: 31
        +8
        Quote: Foxmara
        it happens. when conscripts are driving

        in our unit it was accepted as follows. cut off the voltage, put up a poster "Do not turn on, people work" and put a soldier next to
        1. Fedorov
          Fedorov 11 November 2018 10: 22
          +4
          Or sensible major wink
          Although why am I bearing the former in vain? But you won’t throw words out of a joke.
      3. Gray-haired
        Gray-haired 11 November 2018 10: 06
        0
        "... in our unit conscriptsfirefighters ... "- God, and this is some kind of MayEer! And how are you different from these fire-fighters, the" smart guy "of the Russian language? am
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 11 November 2018 10: 41
          +7
          Quote: Gray
          God, and this is some kind of MayEer! And how are you different from these fire-fighters, the "smart guy" of the Russian language?

          Do not judge, but let us not be judged! (with)
          Pancake! Once again, connoisseurs of Russian literature flocked to the site! am
          Well, if such a "smart", then take care to correctly place punctuation marks in your post, "smart guy of the Russian language"! laughing
          1. Protos
            Protos 12 November 2018 01: 33
            -1
            Quote: Gray
            "... in our unit conscriptsfirefighters ... "- God, and this is some kind of MayEer! And how are you different from these fire-fighters, the" smart guy "of the Russian language? am

            Muscovite? laughing
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    5. URAL72
      URAL72 11 November 2018 09: 42
      +10
      The crew of the tanker, the Kadyrovtsy, drove Grozny oil for the Northern Fleet. And here is some kind of pelvis ...
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    7. Graz
      Graz 11 November 2018 13: 03
      +3
      Quote: AshiSolo
      For all those who served, the conclusion is the same: in peacetime, warriors everywhere are still clanking :)

      but why did you get that it’s some kind of special kind of people, all the same people, and on a civilian the percentage of gouging is the same
  2. Fedorov
    Fedorov 11 November 2018 08: 26
    +12
    Do they even give them binoculars? It's hard not to notice the tanker. Moreover, he does not maneuver, but rushes straight ahead of the iron. Especially if "there was a bottleneck, where to rush at 17 knots, were you late somewhere?"
    1. Foxmara
      Foxmara 11 November 2018 08: 41
      +9
      Quote: Fedorov
      where to rush on 17 nodes, somewhere late?

      Perhaps you still pointed out the true reason. Order, rush ..
      I would even suggest where you can rush so. Usually they like to look for our submarines in their waters. But in this case, we probably will not hear anything worthwhile.
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 11 November 2018 08: 58
      +4
      Viaesto of binoculars, they had a radar with ARPA.
      1. HAM
        HAM 11 November 2018 09: 27
        +6
        Probably the tanker was built using "stealth" technology, so you can't see it, neither through binoculars nor on the radar! laughing
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 11 November 2018 09: 31
          -10
          Stealth technologies do not make the ship invisible. They only reduce the detection range. Visibility was about five miles. The course angle to the tanker was completely visible. Without binoculars.
          1. HAM
            HAM 11 November 2018 09: 32
            +4
            pay attention to this icon- laughingjoke
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 11 November 2018 09: 35
              -13
              This icon has several meanings.
    3. LSA57
      LSA57 11 November 2018 10: 25
      0
      Quote: Fedorov
      Do they even give them binoculars? It’s hard not to notice the tanker.

      but it reminded me of the tragedy of "Admiral Nakhimov". there, after all, the captains also had all the information, and nevertheless the tragedy happened
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 11 November 2018 10: 39
        0
        Captain Nakhimova did not take into account the time delay in determining the elements of the target’s movement, and the speed of rotation of the radar antenna was about 14 revolutions per minute. He left the distance displayed on the ARPA screen. Vasev didn’t give way to Nkhimov. Read the educational program on this topic, a book by a researcher at the Mornii Research Institute of Chapkis. the wife finds out.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 11 November 2018 12: 09
          0
          Quote: gunnerminer
          Read the educational program on this topic, a book of a researcher at Mornii Chapkis

          read. So what?
          and there and there a clash. the reasons may be different. I'm talking about the captains owned the decor but nonetheless a collision occurred
          The captain of Peter Vasev was not very adequate, a few hours before the collision he learned that the barmaid had suffered from him, and was afraid that his wife would find out about it.

          Well, this of course fatally affected the cause.
          Norwegian eye investigation is not completed. give them such an idea. suddenly the truth was some sort of midshipman from the frigate captain. so he was in a hurry to take him to the hospital laughing
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 11 November 2018 19: 06
            -1
            You did not read the book of Chapkis.
    4. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 11 November 2018 12: 02
      +3
      They took it off the tongue ...
      They won’t notice the tanker, then the iceberg ...
    5. ver_
      ver_ 11 November 2018 13: 58
      +3
      ... it's just that they were not looking through binoculars on the wrong side ...
    6. Simargl
      Simargl 11 November 2018 14: 12
      +2
      Quote: Fedorov
      were late somewhere?
      They were looking for a Russian submarine.
      Look, they searched a few years ago - we laughed. And they found! ...
      ... Som ...
      Swedes ... norgi ... what difference does it make!
  3. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 11 November 2018 08: 38
    +7
    Fairy tale deer laughing laughing laughing
    XNUMXst century technologies rule, the captain looked open at the camputar and hoped that the rocks and all the other obstacles in the form of different tankers and gulls would take off their hat to give way to the proud frigate of the Navy of Great Norway wassat
    At the same time, the common sense toggle switch was switched from the "head" position to the "back upper thighs" position, which led to a sad result for the Norwegian Navy and fun for us ...
    Um, maybe the Americans took pride (when they stubbornly did not give way to civilians)? what . request
    In any case, good laughing laughing laughing
  4. Foxmara
    Foxmara 11 November 2018 08: 38
    +12
    Have Russian hackers already been blamed? ;)
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 11 November 2018 08: 46
      +5
      Bulk wind from Russia.
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 11 November 2018 10: 22
      +9
      At Petrov with a Bashir alibi - they set fire to Ukrainian warehouses.
    3. mad
      mad 11 November 2018 19: 13
      +1
      Quote: Foxmara

      Have Russian hackers already been blamed? ;)

      But how! Finland did not rule out that Russia "broke" the GPS during NATO exercises
      https://ria.ru/world/20181111/1532566002.html
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 11 November 2018 20: 50
        +1
        so it is, let Finland buy Glonass. It does not break like ZhPS. May still cry. Evil Russians do not allow teachings to be carried out near the borders.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 November 2018 10: 29
          0
          I have worked with GPS for more than 20 years and there have never been problems, but GLONAS is not suitable for sailors.
  5. Lester7777
    Lester7777 11 November 2018 08: 43
    +21
    It's hard not to remember;
    "This is Juan Manuel Salas Alcantara speaking. We are two. We are accompanied by our dog, dinner, two bottles of beer and a canary who is now asleep. We are supported by the Cadena Dial de la Coruna radio station and channel 106" Extreme situations at sea ". We are not going to turn off anywhere, considering that we are on land and are so far only the A-853 lighthouse of the Finisterre strait on the Galician coast of Spain. "
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 12 November 2018 10: 32
      0
      Cape Finistere and the eponymous lighthouse at the exit of Biscay, but not the strait.
  6. Examenatornick
    Examenatornick 11 November 2018 08: 46
    +2
    too great was reverence for the Americans that the hand didn’t even flinch to take the boat to the side. So the sailors stood with their mouths open and watched as their Helga slowly plunged into the water. Under the bright light and the choir of angels and everywhere above the American heads of the halo .... halo. ..
  7. We_smart
    We_smart 11 November 2018 08: 47
    +1
    Quote: AshiSolo
    For all those who served, the conclusion is the same: in peacetime, warriors everywhere are still clanking :)

    Do not carry nonsense!
  8. Hto tama
    Hto tama 11 November 2018 08: 49
    +1
    The name was spoken, the name was numb, contacted by amers, picked up bad manners fool
  9. A good one
    A good one 11 November 2018 08: 51
    +5
    That's how Norwegians hone their skills. Separately, we are nothing, but together strength (as part of NATO). laughing
  10. novobranets
    novobranets 11 November 2018 08: 51
    +5
    Reminds the bike of the captain of the aircraft carrier and the lighthouse keeper.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 11 November 2018 10: 23
      0
      This bike from the middle of the last century goes in different ways.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 November 2018 08: 55
    +11
    Instead of fighting for the survivability of the ship, the crew "slipped away" from it, breaking their legs ... About the collision itself - there is nothing to cover. Vikings ... Christmas tree sticks ...
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 11 November 2018 09: 07
      +6
      Sorry for the tautology, but a warship team cannot "slide off" from him, breaking his legs, in any situation, I can’t believe it. Norwegians are good sailors — I saw them in the Baltic and the North Sea — they are harsh guys. They will not leave this board without an order. It seems to me that the steering wheel is stupidly jammed there, it happens, we do this for a reason dangling in a storm like it in an ice hole. smile
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 11 November 2018 10: 26
        +4
        When the steering wheel is jammed, 17 knots in narrowness are not gassed. Or has he also jammed the remote control engines?
        1. DMB 75
          DMB 75 11 November 2018 10: 34
          +1
          Yes, anything God could happen there, trouble alone does not go ... The sailors are alive. This is the main thing.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 11 November 2018 15: 46
            +2
            Quote: DMB 75
            The sailors are alive. This is the main thing.

            The main thing is that enemy soldiers must die.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 11 November 2018 11: 08
        +7
        Quote: DMB 75
        It seems to me that there the steering wheel is stupidly jammed, it happens,

        It happens, of course ... BUT !!! Nobody forbids driving cars! Or as in Bismarck's - lay down on the circulation, and there "at least don't dawn!"
        According to comments, it is felt that the site has a couple of sailors (shipowners), and it’s hard to disagree with their comments ...
        But when analyzing various situations when ships collide at sea, the notorious human factor, such as: lack of foresight, criminal arrogance, lack of necessary navigation skills, is increasingly "sticking out".
        And the second thing. The navigator was supposed to be on the crap, but not let the commander "run over" the tanker. Therefore, he will answer with Cap for such a "divergence with the goal." angry
        1. DMB 75
          DMB 75 11 November 2018 11: 14
          +1
          Yes, anything could happen, Sasha, and everyone could be drunk in Umat, this also happens quite often, agree ... We now only have to guess ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 12 November 2018 21: 56
            +2
            Quote: DMB 75
            Sasha, and in Umaten, everyone could be drunk - this happens too

            Sorry, I can’t name by name, but in this situation there could be no DRINKS! This happens with fishermen ... On the TANKERS and the Swedish military - it is impossible. yes
            (Although every sailor remembers the saying: "Fear drunken fishermen and sailors!") laughing
        2. dima-fesko
          dima-fesko 11 November 2018 12: 19
          +2
          arrogance
          That's right, to the point! At one time in the Atlantic (open ocean) two fishermen "parted" a little. I attended one of them ....!
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 11 November 2018 12: 23
          +4
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          And the second thing. The navigator was supposed to be on the crap, but not let the commander "run over" the tanker. Therefore, he will answer with Cap for such a "divergence with the goal."

          Duc, there is a third:
          it was stated that they tried to transfer the crew of the Norwegian frigate on the Sola tanker, in which direction should maneuver given that the space in the collision area was enough for such a maneuver. But it did not help.

          It seems that only in Russian can one clearly explain WHERE exactly one should move. laughing
        4. dima-fesko
          dima-fesko 11 November 2018 12: 30
          +3

          Actually, judging by the picture, this is a strait. For confidence, a pilot is taken. But if the navigator is familiar with navigation in the area, you can without it. A warship generally tries to do without outsiders. In addition, there are raid radio stations, dispatchers, etc. During the course, signal signs are hung out on the rail (it’s difficult to maneuver, I’m going with a trawl, etc.). Banal self-confidence of a warship and connivance of a navigator. In this case, the warship possessed better maneuverability. Here the principle was used: KAMAZ is the king of the road, everyone owes me !!! And then, like in a fairy tale, we grabbed it so late, the ship is not even a car on a slippery road ........ Something like that!
        5. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 11 November 2018 17: 06
          +1
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Or like Bismarck's - lay down on the circulation, and there "at least don't dawn!"

          It is possible to operate machines when the steering wheel is set to zero yes ... With the steering wheel jammed in the "on board" position, there can be no talk of any control of the machines ...
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          But when analyzing various situations in a collision of ships at sea, the notorious human factor increasingly "sticks out", such as: lack of foresight, criminal arrogance, lack of necessary navigation skills

          yes good
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 11 November 2018 21: 02
            +4
            Quote: Rurikovich
            With the steering wheel jammed in the "on board" position, there can be no talk of any control of the machines ...

            On the question "about our rams" ... (c)
            Andrey, apparently, we have different sailing experience ...
            But let me remind you that the ship W = 4,5-5 000t begins to obey the helm during the course of 4-5,0 bonds. And before that, at least, by giving commands to the steering wheel - the inertia of the course and the car - that’s the salvation. But when chchop is inserted in the ass !!! (with a hot end out so that you can’t pull it out!), then under stress everything flies out of the birdhouse, if you had not had such an experience before. Therefore, we spent days on the simulators (Felling, sea, ocean - the last, though tactical), practicing introductory. Worst of all was the blackout ...
            I often think about what would happen if German sailors blew up a jammed steering wheel at Bismarck, dropped the feather of the steering wheel to the bottom ... Even at the cost of flooding the tiller compartment ... could they save the battleship while driving cars or not?
            But those were the Deutschers! They could not come to an "unconventional" solution ... Therefore, the mechanic with the divers dived into the flooded compartment to the last, trying to eliminate the malfunction, but it was necessary to "amputate", not correct ... trying to turn the rudder in the center plane ...
            Such is the villainous fate. Well, then - in the war ... And here, on a clear day with excellent visibility in calm weather ... In a word, "dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants!" Descendants of the fearless Vikings, damn it!
            1. Rurikovich
              Rurikovich 11 November 2018 21: 04
              +1
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Therefore, we spent days on the simulators (Felling, sea, ocean - the last, though tactical), practicing introductory. Worst of all was the blackout ...

              good hi drinks
            2. Rurikovich
              Rurikovich 11 November 2018 21: 21
              +3
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Therefore, the mechanic with the divers dived into the flooded compartment to the last, trying to eliminate the malfunction, but it was necessary to "amputate" and not correct ... trying to turn the rudder to the center plane ...

              But it was decisive that the torpedo hit the side under the steering compartment in front of the axis of the left rudder. Rudders at this moment were shifted to the port side for evasion maneuvers. The explosion made a large hole in the casing and severely damaged the left connection of the steering axis with the steering machine, so that it could not be disconnected, and both steering wheels were jammed at 12 ° to the left side, and both steering compartments were flooded. People from these compartments were quickly evacuated, and the doors to the steering-proof armored deck were closed. But through the damaged negotiation pipes, water began to flow to the main deck. To pump it, they launched a pump, which soon stopped working as a result of a malfunction. While the repair was being carried out, salt water penetrated the electric motor of the pump and disabled it. Empty tanks on the starboard side in the area of ​​impact were previously flooded to straighten the heel and trim from the damage received on May 24, which increased the size of the flooding and intensified the shock from the explosion.

              Meanwhile, the crew of the battleship were desperately trying to regain control of the ship. The right wheel was disconnected from the steering gear and unlocked, but nothing could be done with the left. Several divers tried to get into the steering compartment, however, due to a large hole, the very strong movement of water in the left steering compartment made any work impossible, and the divers were dragged out of the compartment in complete exhaustion. Shortly afterwards, Lindemann and senior mechanic Lehman discussed possible measures to restore control. Both agreed that the state of the sea does not allow divers to use for outdoor work. The proposal to disconnect jammed rudders with dynamite charges was rejected by Lutens on the pretext that this could damage the screws. However, Lutiens, apparently, was already reconciled with the fate of the ship, since at 21:40 he was glad that the crew would fight to the last shell.

              At this time, the outer compartments of compartment III on the left side were slowly flooded through damage in the main transverse bulkhead between compartments II and III, the cable line and small gaps in the outer skin. Water began to penetrate the corridors of the left rampart, which, along with flooding from the second torpedo hit in compartment VII, caused a roll to the left side. In order to somehow keep the course, the ship had to significantly reduce its speed, and the strong waves instead of the southeast began to bring down the battleship to an unfavorable northwest course, which brought it closer to the Tovey's ships. Lindemann tried to return the "Bismarck" to its previous course by selecting different rotational speeds of the starboard and port propellers. The commands to the mechanics went one after another, and some safety measures were ignored to execute them quickly. The ship managed to turn off the northwest course, but only in order to make another circle, after which strong winds and waves turned the battleship in the same direction. Shortly after midnight, all attempts to restore the steering were abandoned. The emergency party reinforced the bulkhead between the 11th and 111th compartments and repaired the damaged communication pipe.

              Yes, the Germans were unlucky from the very beginning of Operation Reynyubung ... Detection, underfueling, a shell from the Prince of Wales, hitting the left hand drive ... But all the same, the epic of Bismarck is very indicative, like a tragedy of mistakes ... Yours faithfully drinks hi
        6. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 11 November 2018 19: 08
          +1
          In the case of the Exxon Valdez tanker, the navigator, the second assistant tried very hard to convince the captain that they had deviated from the recommended course.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 November 2018 10: 37
        +1
        I have no doubts about norgs either, moremans with a capital letter. Here the tanker rather "pressed" the corvette to the shore.
    2. Anna
      Anna 11 November 2018 14: 18
      +2
      The decision on the evacuation of drugs was made by the captain. Ultimately, 10 people remained on board for the necessary emergency work, and then they were evacuated. All drugs there was nothing to do there.
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 11 November 2018 23: 06
      +1
      The team did everything fine. Put on a sandbank and evacuated. The ship was no longer in danger, why break people? Specialists came with equipment and began to save.
  12. gunnerminer
    gunnerminer 11 November 2018 08: 57
    +4
    - but only at the very last moment before "contact" with the tanker "Sola". -

    Indicator of command illiteracy. I did not slow down to the minimum safe.

    - that in Norway, a suggestion was made about the possible shutdown of ship identification systems on the frigate. -

    AIS is not required for warships. The use of this system for discrepancy is not recommended.
  13. K-50
    K-50 11 November 2018 08: 59
    +5
    Hmm, the wrong Vikings are now, the wrong ones. sad lol
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 11 November 2018 09: 55
      +3
      On the contrary, the blood of the proud Vikings played in them. Give way to some kind of "kerosene stove"? Never!" laughing
    2. NF68
      NF68 11 November 2018 23: 08
      0
      Quote: K-50
      Hmm, the wrong Vikings are now, the wrong ones. sad lol


      They no longer plan ash oars. This is their main problem.
  14. bald
    bald 11 November 2018 09: 16
    +2
    But directly, as in a joke, about the rapprochement of an American warship in the dark with a lighthouse. Americans are radiating from a ship - give way three times. And from the lighthouse - I'm on duty at the lighthouse, etc.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 11 November 2018 09: 33
      +1
      Yes, a true marine joke.
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 11 November 2018 10: 27
      0
      Well, not a funny bike. And a very ancient button accordion.
  15. Vinnibuh
    Vinnibuh 11 November 2018 09: 39
    +2
    Interestingly, but they do not clear the training zone from civilian, so to speak, to avoid? )))
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 11 November 2018 11: 14
      +2
      Quote: Vinnibuh
      and they do not clear the training zone from civilian, so to speak, to avoid?

      Generally not. The water area for missile / artillery / torpedo firing is closed, and then for a certain time. At the same time, mariners are being notified of the closure of an area that is dangerous for ships and aircraft overflight.
      1. Anna
        Anna 11 November 2018 13: 32
        0
        During this period, they have already left the general exercises, they claim to have gone their course, conducting navigational exercises on the ship. The fact is that the general, international exercises have ended, but the local ones end at the end of the month. Conclusions on the trail, so to speak.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 November 2018 11: 01
          0
          And what is a "navigation exercise" ???
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 November 2018 09: 41
    +2
    What is there to discuss, the usual gouging of a captain, an anchor to his ass. fool
    1. Anna
      Anna 11 November 2018 13: 28
      0
      NATO confirmed navigational exercises on board during this period.
  17. Vard
    Vard 11 November 2018 09: 43
    0
    The more oaks in the army ... And how does that sound in a marine manner?
  18. askort154
    askort154 11 November 2018 09: 49
    +5
    After a collision with a tanker, the Norwegian frigate lost control, the steering wheels went out of order, and the warship went into drift.

    Conclusion: We need to build more "nalivniki" and "dry cargo ships". Let's kill two birds with one stone - to earn money for the country and ensure its security. good
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 November 2018 17: 05
      0
      With this proposal, not to us, but to the government and the Duma. In VO there are so many denyuzhk netut. fellow stop what
  19. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 11 November 2018 09: 57
    +1
    This is called blindly trusted in automatic control systems and external target designation. It’s impossible to cancel the watch devices and watchmen and binoculars with binoculars; otherwise, even state-of-the-art electronics can drown nearly 700 million dollars ... They may not be bad sailors, they are simply very arrogant. But it’s for the better. That is why, as in that joke, we won the war. Because all Russian personnel know that everything can fail in our equipment and therefore the tank will have to be launched from the pusher, the gun should be guided almost along the barrel, and navigation through the sextant and astrolabe into the sea.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 11 November 2018 11: 40
      +4
      Quote: MegaMarcel
      Appliances devices, and watch and forward looking with binoculars is impossible to cancel ...
      What does the officer of the watch and signalmen have to do with it, if the commander is at the command post along the narrow aisle ... Or they have everything so worked out that the cap rises to the bridge only to give the command "Fire!" Does the VO drive the whole process, like on USA Navi?
      And then:
      In accordance with Rule 19, paragraph IWSS, a vessel that detects another vessel using the radar must first determine if there is a danger of collision. “If there is any doubt as to the danger of a collision, then it should be assumed that it exists” (Rule 7 paragraph “a”).
      And take measures in advance to avoid it, changing the course, speed, or both together. The maneuver should be decisive, noticeable to another ship.
      Something like that, from memory, if sclerosis does not fail me ...
      But the Viking pranked in 17,0 ties in narrowness and did not change anything in his EDC until it collided with a tanker ... And this is called good seafaring practice !?
      Quote: MegaMarcel
      They may not be bad sailors just very arrogant.
      fool
      1. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 11 November 2018 19: 11
        0
        - here the officer in charge and the signalmen, if the passage of narrownesses on the chassis -

        The duty officer is not relieved of duty if there is a commander on the bridge and on the command post. Moreover, in the Norwegian navy, like the British, the officer on duty is more independent than in the Navy of the USSR or the Russian Federation.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 11 November 2018 21: 22
          0
          Quote: gunnerminer
          The duty officer is not relieved of the watch officer if there is a commander on the bridge and on the civilian command post. Especially in the Norwegian Navy, like the British, the officer in charge of the watch is more independent than in the Navy of the USSR or the Russian Federation.

          1. The commander is obliged to take measures to correct improper VO actions that could lead to a navigational accident or create a critical situation ...
          2. You are right, VO often played the role of "ass" in our country ... But this did not always happen. Our commander, for example, was very fond of "checking for lice" young people ... He simply descended from the KP with the words: "Officer of the watch, I'm in the cabin. If something difficult arises, call me on the bridge!" After that, the palms were sweating, and it's good if there were 2-3 goals, and not 5-7 ... and not only passing ones ...
          So, do not be mistaken about the training of our HE.
          AHA.
          1. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 12 November 2018 08: 33
            0
            -Our commander, for example, was very fond of "checking for lice-

            This was left to the commanders. The system of building independence for the watch officers was not created by the command of the naval formations. The overwhelming reinsurance, often leading to irreparable consequences, occupied the lion's share of training of watch officers and commanders. to self-government with the elder aboard, a whole NS of the captain’s 1989st rank Kolyada’s compound.
      2. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 11 November 2018 19: 12
        0
        In the 80s and 90s, the officers of the KSF headquarters were impressed by the ability of the Norwegian shift officers to moor ships to the pier at the Alysh post, without the direct intervention of the commander and senior on board.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 November 2018 11: 11
        +1
        There was already a visual, not a radar contact, and the 19 Rule does not work.
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 11 November 2018 19: 51
      +1
      -Devices by instruments, and watchmen and forward-looking with binoculars -

      With this number of crews, there will not be enough sailors, for those who look ahead. Even by first readiness.

      -Russian personnel know that everything can fail in our technology -

      This estimate is 30 years old.
    3. Rzzz
      Rzzz 12 November 2018 01: 12
      +1
      Watchmen, forward looking is good, but you have to look out the window yourself. This is the most important thing, all these televisions in the wheelhouse are only to help the navigator's head, but not its replacement.
  20. jurijsv
    jurijsv 11 November 2018 10: 02
    0
    Well. The war has not yet begun, but there are already losses. But actually it was a Russian stealth tanker.
  21. SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 11 November 2018 10: 05
    +6
    Livar, maneuver and not caught wassat
  22. Ham
    Ham 11 November 2018 10: 14
    +2
    As I understand it from the legend of the exercises, they turned off the jeepies and other electronic nonsense and went the old fashioned way ... reached the "first pillar" (tanker) ... it's like "Okushka" crashed into BELAZ;)
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov 11 November 2018 10: 36
      +2
      A man with two eyes sits in "The Oka, aka" Crazy Stool, "Belaz would have gone round or to the edge of the road, from such a bandura I would have jumped out of the car myself.
      But there you see the captain, the old man smoked something. A navigator with a hangover.
      1. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 11 November 2018 12: 09
        +2
        And I drove on the Oka River near Belaz-245 ...
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 11 November 2018 17: 08
          0
          Only I wanted to offer him a ride between the wheels, and you are already here. Straight off the tongue. good
    2. Anna
      Anna 11 November 2018 14: 22
      -1
      Well, yes, this version is confirmed. The tanker received information from the coastal service, the frigate kept formidable silence. bully
  23. Santor
    Santor 11 November 2018 10: 37
    +16
    The frigate identification system was disabled. The coastal services several times warned the shift on the ship that they were going THROUGH the course of the Greek tanker.
    The tanker just walked away from the terminal, handed over two tugboats, picked up speed almost to the average, the pilot was on board, the pilot was accompanying him, the frigate was in touch, the pilot and the traffic were talking to him, who still answered with the frigate was unclear. Obviously frightened or afraid of warnings, the frigate decided to move to the center where the traffic is less, for this he had to cross the double oncoming traffic (lines), where they were approaching at that time: ro-ro / Silver Firda rifle, the second tanker went and the cargo ship Vestbris was the third, skipping the Silver frigate rushed to the intersection with the tanker, obviously the maneuver calculation was incorrect and there was not enough time to finish it, getting under the tanker the frigate almost collided with Vestbris, who was following the tanker to the right, the bulk carrier managed to slow down, turn off and start to power.

    In general, almost chaos. Here is a video of the incident from the radar -
    https://pmd-nrk.akamaized.net/videoloop/Hordaland/Fregatt_screendump_2.1080p.webm

    The culprit of the "celebration" - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DreyqAHXcAEXMUq.jpg

    Now the frigate is slipping into the sea, the bulb has already gone under water .. The norgs are beating piles and trying to hold it with cables
    https://2018.f.a0z.ru/cache/11/640x480/10-6855825-drpk.jpg

    Here is a snapshot of the watch of this frigate - from 6 there are three people on the bridge - women ...

    https://2018.f.a0z.ru/cache/11/640x480/08-6849669-15416985520081.jpg

    And here are the comments of our sailors from a special forum:

    1. Vinnibuh
      Vinnibuh 11 November 2018 11: 36
      +1
      Thank! They explained everything normally and without fuss.
    2. Ham
      Ham 11 November 2018 12: 00
      +8
      "" "Here is a snapshot of the watch of this frigate - out of 6 people on the bridge, three are women ..." ""
      hmmm ... emancipation however ... especially touches the narrow-eyed (this is not an insult, not! this is a statement of fact) "Norwegian" in the foreground ...
      there I look at all according to the canon - all gender, racial, etc. troubles are observed))) and everything that happened is already the consequence of the fact that people are appointed to positions (including team ones!) not because of knowledge but solely because of their belonging to a certain social group (gays, fairies and other Jedi) ...
      1. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh 11 November 2018 12: 06
        +1
        That’s for sure, tolerance rules! And whether a person is a pro or not, this is the tenth thing.
      2. Ace Tambourine
        Ace Tambourine 11 November 2018 12: 17
        +1
        I especially liked the Jedi ...
      3. Anna
        Anna 11 November 2018 13: 26
        -1
        For several years, military service has been compulsory in Norway for all, women including
        What's wrong?
      4. Rzzz
        Rzzz 11 November 2018 23: 20
        +1
        A bunch of people on the bridge - evil! On normal steamers, two people - the watch officer and the helmsman. Even when the captain arrives, the degree of nervousness rises immediately. I know that by myself. How many times he broke the rule that you need to call the captain - but how many nerves he saved!
        And here are a few people who are not engaged in shipping, plus some extraneous horseradish in camouflage.
        No, good people also came to visit me on duty. At night, the mechanics were constantly sitting at the seagull with buns. But, damn it, not in the same conditions.
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 12 November 2018 11: 21
        +1
        "Baba on the bridge, wait for trouble" I was taught this from the first year of sailing, and I did not even let women on the bridge on an excursion.
    3. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 11 November 2018 18: 23
      0
      In addition to the Santor (Viktor) commentary, Zvezda TV story about the Pomor 2011 exercise with the participation of the Helge Ingstad naval frigate and the Vice-Admiral Kulakov:
      https://rutube.ru/video/956db451698d5fdf7cc8b7bd2dc429b7/
  24. DLYP05
    DLYP05 11 November 2018 10: 44
    +5
    Dear NORGI, conduct exercises more often. With the decrease in the number of your fleet, the tension on our borders will decrease, and therefore throughout the world. In general, it is better to drown all the ships at once and melt the tanks. Believe me, the world will be much calmer. We understand that the Anglo-Saxons will gladly fight the Russians to the last Norwegian soldier. Trust us, you will never be able to threaten, and disappear with such "allies"! Sergey, from the bottom of my heart!
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 11 November 2018 12: 18
      +1
      Yeah ... nothing to add ...
    2. Anna
      Anna 11 November 2018 13: 23
      0
      Yeah, that's exactly the Norwegian Armed Forces threaten the world. Especially Russian :)))))
      Though sometimes think that write, if there is a chnm, of course.
  25. askort154
    askort154 11 November 2018 12: 00
    +4
    I look at the photo, here she is a beautiful victim of the 21st century - "stealth technologies", sadly lying on the stones. ... The Russians have a saying - "there is no reception against scrap." He doesn't give a damn about any "bells and whistles" - on land, in the sea, in the air! wassat yes
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 11 November 2018 12: 46
      +2
      Especially when you consider that the absolutely peaceful tanker pushed him slightly and swam further, and the pride of the Norwegian fleet, the modern frigate, remained on the rocks))
  26. max nag
    max nag 11 November 2018 12: 01
    0
    Vessel Name: SOLA TS
    IMO: 9724350

    Vessel Type: Crude Oil Tanker
    Port of Registry: Valletta

    Call Sign: 9HA4480
    MMSI: 248020000

    Former Names: DAEWOO MANGALIA

    Plant: Mangalia
    Case Number: 5014
    Year: March 17



    Owner: TWITT NAVIGATION LTD
    Management: TSAKOS COLUMBIA SHIPMANAGEMENT (TCSM) SA
    ISM Management: Tsakos Columbia Shipmanagement

    Length: 249.9
    Width: 44.03
    Maximum speed: 15 kn
    Deadweight: 112700
    GRT: 62.000


    Ship info
    Download for free: http://koldunoff.wixsite.com/shipinfo
    1. max nag
      max nag 11 November 2018 12: 02
      0
      http://www.tcsm.gr
  27. APASUS
    APASUS 11 November 2018 12: 09
    +2
    We urgently need to execute the captain of the tanker "Sola TS", the fact that it turns out, the Vikings are no longer considered people!
  28. Altai
    Altai 11 November 2018 12: 41
    0
    But was this tanker transporting Russian oil ???
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz 11 November 2018 23: 22
      0
      Norwegian They have her wazoo.
  29. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 11 November 2018 12: 43
    +1
    From the side of the grief-warrior all this is just an excuse. In general, the incident is exactly like a joke about an American warship and a lighthouse.
    The frigate captain imagines himself to be an airship that everything is possible for him, and everyone must give way to him, and that’s the result.
    And the conclusions - sometimes you need to use what is between your ears))
    1. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 11 November 2018 14: 48
      0
      Mezhushnom ganglion?
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 11 November 2018 14: 51
        +1
        So for sure, it is with this device, which many underestimate))
  30. Anna
    Anna 11 November 2018 13: 19
    0
    Yes, their AIS was really disabled, NATO confirms that it was a navigational training, but they were visible on the radar, it simply looked like an unidentified bot.
    The tanker asked the frigate to board the starboard side, warned of a collision, tried to contact the Ryazan military five ... they reacted a minute before the collision.
    Yes, the frigate was worth about $ 4 billion.
    Here is a radar map
    and the latest information, more detailed, in Norwegian, but you can translate the same.
    https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/4dkdWE/slik-var-de-dramatiske-minuttene-da-knm-helge-ingstad-krasjet-i-sola-ts
  31. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2018 13: 23
    +3
    A crew of 137 people left the ship. Several people were injured, injured and poisoned with caustic smoke.
    Apparently, the proud Viking has started fighting for the survivability of the ship. lol
    1. Anna
      Anna 11 November 2018 14: 28
      +1
      It’s probably strange for you to read this, but the drug’s priority is not a piece of iron, even if it has a billionth value.
      Now rescue services are operating there as usual.
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 11 November 2018 23: 25
      0
      Why fight? Everything is done right. A ship on the shore, nothing threatens him, it is necessary to save people in the first place. Tea is not a war when sacrifices are permissible. And the iron will be repaired, or a new one built, to hell with it.
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  33. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2018 14: 37
    +1
    Quote: Anna
    It’s probably strange for you to read this, but the drug’s priority is not a piece of iron, even if it has a billionth value.
    Now rescue services are operating there as usual.

    You are probably a veteran of a navy, so I am not surprised and take your word for it! lol wassat
    1. Anna
      Anna 11 November 2018 20: 17
      0
      No, I'm not a veteran yet
      but all in perspective.
      Just management and command systems in Russia and Norway are fundamentally different. drinks
  34. Navigator Basov
    Navigator Basov 11 November 2018 14: 46
    0
    The more Norwegian frigates, the less Norwegian frigates. It is necessary to establish the Ingstad Prize for the most ridiculous non-combat loss of a warship, by analogy with the Darwin Prize.
  35. Naughty
    Naughty 11 November 2018 15: 26
    0
    Not the Estonians warned of the case? laughing
  36. TOR2
    TOR2 11 November 2018 16: 10
    +1
    Only a fluke did not lead to the spill of huge volumes of oil products off the coast of Norway in the Bergen area.
    It’s a pity that it didn’t spill. It would be possible to hint what will happen to their oil platforms in the event of a real mess. They wanted to play war games, so they would play with complete immersion in reality.
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2018 21: 42
    0
    Quote: Anna
    No, I'm not a veteran yet
    but all in perspective.
    Just management and command systems in Russia and Norway are fundamentally different. drinks

    Oh, what a fresh thought! Only I do not see a logical connection between the struggle for the survivability of the ship, and the control and command systems of the states you have indicated. And I also think that while such promising people are serving in our Moscow Region, the Russian people can sleep peacefully! wassat lol
  38. Radikal
    Radikal 11 November 2018 22: 04
    -1
    Quote: SSR
    Quote: Phil77
    to the primordial * oil carrier *? Better on the rocks! Honor is more expensive!

    To reward the "officers" of the tanker for the ramming and present mementos for the successful operation to disrupt the NATO exercises.

    good good good hi
  39. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 November 2018 23: 16
    +1
    When you sit at the computer keyboard, you are so smart, but when you stand on the bridge of even a tanker or a warship and follow the Norwegian skerries, everything looks different. So, only a person who has been at sea for at least 20 years can blame the sailors, but not "coastal to ......"
  40. Rzzz
    Rzzz 11 November 2018 23: 34
    +2
    They need to practice on the rivers. And then we are accustomed to the open spaces of the ocean and tens of thousands of horses of power. And to put such a fighter on a pusher, with a capacity of 450 l / s in half-dead engines, attach a hundred-meter 2500t barge to it overload, and forward, to the Moscow or VolgoDon canal. 55 meters wide, and even at odds with oncoming ones. And nowhere to turn. Here comes the need to feel the steamer with your cerebellum and catch millimeters.
  41. Seamaster
    Seamaster 12 November 2018 00: 06
    +2
    I remember adding another rule to the COLREGs-72 (International Rules for Preventing Collisions of Ships):
    "Fear drunken fishermen and sailors."
    On this occasion: where did he have AIS included?
    The tanker saw it even without AIS, and any of the ship’s radars will automatically calculate to you how far you will go from the oncoming ship (or collide) and the same radar will bewilder and blink.
    The captain of the tanker saw all this, and therefore made noise in advance.
    The maneuverability of a 112000-ton single-rotor tanker and twin-screw warriors is incomparable.
    The maneuver reminded him of the cat’s attempt to cross the roadway of a wide street during rush hours.
    Surprised by the low survivability of the ship.
    Hole - water ingress - circuit - black shut down.
    And if it turns 130-graph paper?
    There was no immediate threat to the life of the crew. But the crew washed off.
    Why, then, teach these girls how to fight for the survivability of a ship?
    Conclusion: the navigational staff - illiterate suckers, the crew - cowardly dr .. else.
  42. Anton Capucin
    Anton Capucin 12 November 2018 00: 18
    0
    So stop it. The comrades from the tanker explained to their comrades the military where to turn them in order to taxi out? At the same time, they managed to throw messages to the frngat and the coastal services. Do they know exactly who to plant at the helm?
    Wonderful drills were flooded by the frigate, the landing ship unrolled a storm, and armored vehicles entered the village without exporting so that there was no where to turn around. I’m not a military man, I’m only not serving a military service, but what the hell ?! This is a joke after the East. I don’t directly know if they can play strategies, so to understand what and where and in what quantities.
  43. kig
    kig 12 November 2018 02: 59
    0
    in Norway, a suggestion was made about the possible shutdown of ship identification systems on the frigate. ... what did you want? The AIS (atomized identification system) system assumes that within a radius of about 50 miles, all ships equipped with such a system will know about you, your speed and course. And now ALL ships in the world have it. Does the military need it? Hardly. They are not required to include their AIS.
  44. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 12 November 2018 11: 08
    +2
    And I'm surprised that no one here found the "Russian trace" and the "Kremlin's Hand", how did they ruin a NATO warship, and without the participation of Russia and Putin ????
  45. Tarasios
    Tarasios 12 November 2018 14: 48
    0
    Quote: AshiSolo
    For all those who served, the conclusion is the same: in peacetime, warriors everywhere are still clanking :)

    In wartime, everything is the same, it can simply be attributed to "enemy actions";)
  46. AB
    AB 12 November 2018 18: 10
    0
    Again, Russia turned on the electronic warfare, but the frigate didn’t turn it up and turned ... At the last moment.
  47. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 14 November 2018 16: 28
    0
    But FIGs do not rely on electronics in everything, especially on AIS ...