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Ships of the 22160 project will receive attack helicopters

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On the patrol ships of the 22160 project, Ka-52K Katran attack helicopters will be deployed, as well as surface and underwater drones, according to News.




Two ships of this project - "Vasily Bykov" and "Dmitry Rogachev" - are currently undergoing state trials in Novorossiysk. It was also decided to equip them with Ka-52K Katran helicopters.

It is reported that helicopters will work in close conjunction with the surface and underwater unmanned systems, based on the ships.

The Ka-52K was originally developed for Mistral-type helicopter carriers, they have a folding screw and wing consoles for attaching X-31 / 35 anti-ship missiles. The machine is also armed with 30-mm cannon, blocks of unguided rockets, bombs, guided anti-tank missiles "Attack" or "Whirlwind-1", EW complex.

On board the ships of the project 22160 will also be placed unmanned boats and underwater vehicles designed for reconnaissance and surveillance.

According to military expert Dmitry Boltenkov, the firepower of the Katran will be enough not only to fight pirates and saboteurs, but to conduct more serious operations. If necessary, their rocket armament can put a large ship to the bottom.

According to the newspaper, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation intends to order at least 12 patrolmen of project 22160. As for the ships “Vasily Bykov” and “Dmitry Rogachev” being tested, they should be transferred to the Black Sea the fleet until the end of this year.
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  1. faiver
    faiver 8 November 2018 13: 35
    +14
    I'd love to know why the Ka-52 onboard guard? there in my Ka-226 is the place ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 8 November 2018 13: 39
      +4
      Well, helicopters must be based somewhere. Once "Mistral" bye bye ..
      1. faiver
        faiver 8 November 2018 13: 43
        +3
        Well, the most watchman ....
        1. hrych
          hrych 8 November 2018 18: 42
          +5
          First of all, this is a mistake in the article, 22160 is not a guard, but a patrol ship far sea zone. And the attack helicopter will not hinder him at all.
        2. hrych
          hrych 8 November 2018 19: 01
          0
          Although the patrol ship and patrol ship are sometimes synonymous, 22160 has much more functions and it is definitely an attack ship and it is more like a frigate. Of course, Caspian watchdogs have turned us into shock ships, turning them into missile ships from medium-range missiles, but still they are not ships of the far sea zone and are rather corvettes.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 8 November 2018 20: 24
            +2
            Well, what a frigate he is, he doesn’t pull on the Corvette, because he does not satisfy the requirement of multifunctionality, well, practically from any side at all.
            1. hrych
              hrych 8 November 2018 20: 40
              +1
              It is modular in armament and, as necessary, is assembled for different tasks. In terms of displacement, it reaches class 2 frigates, but in terms of seaworthiness it is not inferior to class 1 frigates, and even more so in terms of shock weapons due to UVP: Caliber (i.e. PKO and even the strategic version), Calm (air defense), Rocket- torpedoes (PLO), and, accordingly, an attack helicopter adds opportunities.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 8 November 2018 22: 50
                +3
                It is modular in armament and, as necessary, is assembled for different tasks.

                This is a fiction, they have already written about this many times.
                In terms of displacement, it reaches the class 2 frigates, but in terms of seaworthiness it is not inferior to the class 1 frigates, and even more so in terms of shock weapons

                Does it happen in nature in general? What would be inferior in displacement and superior in seaworthiness and armament? Do not see any contradictions?
                Gauges (i.e. FFP and even a strategic option),

                That's just the containers are only in cartoons, but let's say
                Calm (air defense)

                There is no calm there, it is flexible in the best case. And if there was Calm - there would be no such autonomy of swimming. And you won’t put Calm there in any container. (The radar does not interfere with the container, not to mention the control equipment and operators)
                Well and accordingly attack helicopter adds opportunities.

                For blows to whom? landings support or what? And what kind of landings?
          2. musorg
            musorg 9 November 2018 13: 57
            0
            And the corvette’s armament can’t understand what?
            1. hrych
              hrych 9 November 2018 14: 01
              0
              Quote: musorg
              And the corvette’s armament can’t understand what?

              With Caliber there is a tactical strike, at a certain moment turning into a strategic one. A kind of revolution occurred precisely here. Previously, this was the level of strike weapons available only to the cruiser, well, no less than a destroyer.
      2. Machito
        Machito 8 November 2018 14: 02
        +9
        We decided to attach the homeless Katrans.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 8 November 2018 13: 50
      +11
      Quote: faiver

      I'd love to know why the Ka-52 patrol guard on board?

      Then..
      JSC “Concern Radioelectronic Technologies” in 2015 announced the possibility of placing the Kh-35UE on board the decked version of the Ka-52K helicopter in case of upgrading the airborne radar. This will increase the helicopter detection range by 2 times, which is almost 200 km.
      1. spec.78
        spec.78 8 November 2018 14: 02
        +12
        Ka-226, if my memory serves me, is a purely civilian helicopter. Deep modernization of the Ka-26, which had interchangeable modules (passenger cabin, chemical tank, cargo compartment, etc.). He does not pull on the military in any way. Ka-29 can still be, but the Alligator is cooler
        1. faiver
          faiver 8 November 2018 15: 32
          +1
          dear, this is a patrol ship, not a destroyer ...
        2. faiver
          faiver 8 November 2018 15: 45
          0
          and about the civilian Ka-226, I wonder why they are bought by our Defense Ministry and the Indian army?
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 8 November 2018 20: 25
            0
            Not the army but the FSB, as I recall. And they don’t buy, but planned for their watchmen.
            1. faiver
              faiver 8 November 2018 20: 31
              0
              it’s the army, they have about fifty of them
      2. DarkMatter
        DarkMatter 8 November 2018 15: 50
        0
        Quote: dvina71
        in case of upgrading the airborne radar

        Was it already or is it planned in the next year or two?
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 8 November 2018 15: 54
          +2
          Quote: DarkMatter
          Was it already or is it planned in the next year or two?

          Already
          http://in24.org/technology/33684?utm_source=warfiles.ru
          1. DarkMatter
            DarkMatter 8 November 2018 16: 00
            0
            I really do not like that site, everyone posts in a row, including every canoe being pulled from everywhere. Nevertheless, I looked at what they wrote there, there is not a word about the modernization of the airborne radar.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 8 November 2018 16: 01
              0
              Quote: DarkMatter
              I really do not like that site, everyone posts in a row, including every canoe being pulled from everywhere

              Think left photo?
              1. DarkMatter
                DarkMatter 8 November 2018 16: 11
                +1
                No, of course lol
                The point is not to stick a rocket or even a mock. If the photo ka-60 from the 80s, but to the point, 20 years, not a single one was! But I'm not even talking about this, so, by the way ...
                It's about radarthat only after modernization it will be possible to raise the launch range to 200+ km. The article does not write about this modernization. What difference does it make in the photo, even if the helicopter can launch a missile for 50 km, but can it be used to its full capacity now, tomorrow or nothing will be modernized again, and journalists and amateurs everywhere will therefore draw circles on maps around with a radius of 260 km ? That's why I asked
                in case of upgrading the airborne radar

                Was it already or is it planned in the next year or two?
                1. bayard
                  bayard 8 November 2018 18: 48
                  +1
                  Donetsk.
                  I came across a publication that in terms of modernization, the Ka-52 is going to adapt the radar from the MiG-35. If this worked out (and I see no reason why it didn’t work out), the X-35, like the X-31, can be used at their regular distance.
                  If someone doubts about the power of a standard power generating plant, then I think it will be new too, possibly from the same MiG-35.
                  Such modernization has been requested for a long time, and I proposed it when the questions about the armament of the Mistrals were still being discussed, in terms of providing air defense based on the Ka-52. In the impact version it will turn out even better.
      3. Botanologist
        Botanologist 8 November 2018 16: 36
        +1
        He has enough kerosene on board to let the Ka-52 fly around the ship a couple of times.
      4. bayard
        bayard 8 November 2018 18: 36
        +3
        Donetsk.
        Corvettes, pr. 22160 were originally created for anti-piracy missions and their weapons complex is not suitable for war ... But with the Ka-52K, its combat characteristics grow very much.
        And this is good . And the fact that it was decided to expand the series from 6 to 12 is very good. Moreover, with engines for them, it seems, there are no special problems.
        And on the account of the Ka-226 - this is not even funny. He except that patrol functions with a pair of machine guns course will not pull on more.
    3. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 8 November 2018 14: 19
      0
      Quote: faiver
      I'd love to know why the Ka-52 patrol guard on board? there in my Ka-226 is the place ..

      as for me, a drone is needed there, and not a turntable + shell m = corvette standards.
    4. Genry
      Genry 8 November 2018 15: 26
      +2
      Quote: faiver
      I'd love to know why the Ka-52 patrol guard on board?

      The ship is intended for anti-piracy activities. Therefore, autonomy is 2 months. A helicopter dramatically increases the efficiency and patrol area.
      Quote: faiver
      there, in my opinion, the Ka-226 is the place ...

      He can not resist pirate boats with possible fire from MANPADS or machine guns.
      1. faiver
        faiver 8 November 2018 16: 26
        0
        He can not resist pirate boats with possible fire from MANPADS or machine guns.
        - yeah, and the "katran" pzrk on the drum chtol?
        the helicopter’s task is to detect the pirate, and there artillery works ...
        1. Genry
          Genry 8 November 2018 16: 31
          +1
          Quote: faiver
          and "katranu" pzrk on the drum chtol?

          There is a complex of protection.
          Quote: faiver
          helicopter task to spot a pirate

          The helicopter's task is to deliver weapons and use them, and more often just to demonstrate.
          Quote: faiver
          and there artillery works ...

          And at what range are your guns and how to ensure a hit?
          1. faiver
            faiver 8 November 2018 16: 35
            0
            we will consider that we have different concepts for using weapons hi
          2. Botanologist
            Botanologist 8 November 2018 20: 09
            0
            rate of fire (120 rounds per minute), firing range (up to 12 km), work on all types of targets (aviation, UAVs, ships). It’s quite a gun. The air target was shot down easily.
            1. Genry
              Genry 8 November 2018 22: 19
              +1
              Quote: Botanologist
              rate of fire (120 rounds per minute), firing range (up to 12 km) ...
              .... Aerial target shot down easily.

              What are you writing about ?? Wrong answer?
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 9 November 2018 18: 39
                0
                About artillery on 22160.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 9 November 2018 18: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Botanologist
                  About artillery on 22160.

                  And the defeat of targets for a couple of hundred kilometers is discussed.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 November 2018 15: 57
      +6
      Quote: faiver
      I'd love to know why the Ka-52 onboard guard? there in my Ka-226 is the place ...

      But then, why does the fleet need a ship with a displacement of 1500 tons with a single AK-176. They added one illiquid to another - in an attempt to somehow increase the firepower of 22160.
      1. faiver
        faiver 8 November 2018 16: 27
        0
        agree with you hi
    6. alexmach
      alexmach 8 November 2018 20: 22
      0
      I thought more about anti-submarine helicopters ...
    7. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 9 November 2018 00: 15
      0
      To guard Estonia so that it does not run away and does not jump.

      lol

      Just one turntable is enough.
    8. abc_alex
      abc_alex 9 November 2018 00: 32
      +1
      The Ka-226 has very vague prospects. Due to the fact that it was originally designed for foreign engines, the probability of launching it in a series is now extremely small. And there are simply no other marine machines in the series today.
    9. Yodzakura
      Yodzakura 9 November 2018 14: 29
      0
      Well, the money allocated for the development of K-52 to
  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz 8 November 2018 13: 41
    +4
    It would be better who would explain why pr.22160 towed GAS in the absolute absence of TA and VPU for PLUR.
    In general, some kind of ambiguous ship turns out. It seems like the potential is high, but we will see all the trump cards only on further serial ones (if we see). They say it was seen Bending (so-so fart), but this is not accurate; and besides her, no ZRAK / ZAK is observed. It would be more reasonable to arrange a pair of AK-630 on-board.
    SAM "Shtil-1" prophesied to him. Yes, I agree, such an anti-aircraft missile system is clearly superfluous for a ship of this class. But still? Or was the placement of "Calm" on the models only to attract foreign customers? Then it seems like it’s not quite a patrolman, but almost a corvette, and by their standards we can say a "frigate".
    I won’t be surprised if, after five years, on the basis of the patrol ship pr.22160, a full-fledged corvette will be created to replace the suffering series of pr.2038 (how much is there)
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 8 November 2018 13: 47
      -3
      Quote: Wiruz
      pr.22160

      This is a PATROL ship.
      Patrol - patrol, m. (Fr. Patrouille) (military). Same as patrol; a small armed detachment in motion to inspect the area, maintain order or check security.
      Explanatory dictionary Ushakov
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 8 November 2018 13: 52
        +4
        This is a PATROL ship.

        They told you that you are a master of concise, but at the same time comprehensive answers? No? I won’t tell you that either
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 8 November 2018 13: 53
          0
          Quote: Wiruz
          I won’t tell you that either

          I don’t need anything from you ..
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 8 November 2018 16: 08
        +10
        Quote: dvina71
        This is a PATROL ship.

        Why does the Navy need a "clean" patrol ship? What do we have - such a rich fleet that it can contain a separate ship with a GAS, for the operation of which a separate ship with submarine destruction weapons and a separate ship with air defense means are needed?
        There is no need to nod at the NATO countries with their "one-gun" corvettes and patrolmen - behind these sub-ships there is a normal fleet with full-fledged new serial EM and FR URO.
        In fact, the only naval task for this cuttlefish is the anti-piracy service in Somalia, in return for the full-time Navy ships on duty there. All the other voiced tasks of this patrol ship of the Navy are not naval - they are the tasks of the Pskr, relating to a completely different department.

        By the way. SW. mina wrote that due to the restriction on the displacement specified in the TOR, 22160 has problems with seaworthiness. Non-navigable patrolman of the far sea zone - how is it? belay
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 8 November 2018 16: 13
          +4
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Why does the Navy need a "clean" patrol ship?

          Well, apparently the tasks of the fleet have expanded, it’s not cheap to drive a BOD or RK something like pirates .. And you will not be able to control the nearest approaches to the base either. So they built a patrolman with open architecture. They pushed the ASGs right away, most likely due to the fact that it would take a lot of alterations to the hull if you made the ASGs modular .. Everything you need on deck is optional .. from air defense systems to container calibers. Where, by the way, include missile submarines.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 8 November 2018 16: 52
            +7
            Quote: dvina71
            Well, apparently the tasks of the fleet have expanded, it’s not cheap to drive a BOD or PK something like pirates ..

            We have such a rich fleet. that we can build a specialized patrol ship to perform a single task? wink
            Quote: dvina71
            And the near approaches to the base, too, you will not control them ..

            The OVR ship needs means of destruction of the targets discovered by it. Established means, preferably permanently fixed. Because the fashionable concept of weapons modularity somehow misses the fact that weapons require trained operators. And without systematic training on standard equipment, talking about preparedness is useless. A universal team will do everything equally badly.
            Oh yes, normal close air defense is also needed. The minimum is "Pantsir-M".
            Quote: dvina71
            Everything on deck is optional .. from air defense systems to container calibers. Where, by the way, include missile submarines.

            Yeah ... one place for the module. Either air defense or anti-aircraft defense.

            Our Navy does not need to think about patrolmen, but about how to replace the IPCs built back in the USSR, which are the basis of the naval squadron. These ships are already under 30 years or more, and every year they do not grow younger.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 8 November 2018 20: 56
              +1
              We have such a rich fleet. that we can build a specialized patrol ship to perform a single task? wink

              And they were laid even when the shipbuilding program looked very rosy.

              It’s hard to disagree with the rest.
            2. Grits
              Grits 9 November 2018 11: 27
              0
              The ship turned out to be very ambiguous and incomprehensible, judging by the numerous responses and comments. Modularity and versatility, I think, are extremely harmful here. it is not a tank that can be made universal.
              Imagine a picture. The ship was assigned the task of anti-submarine defense. So he needs to urgently return to the base and there specialists change modules for a certain time. Which, by the way, on this base should already be stored and ready. Interestingly, will these modules be present at other bases or will the ship be tied only to a specific base? Then he goes to complete the task. And here, Oops! It turns out that the crew can perform shock tasks or air defense tasks on the old module with another module and another publication. What then? Then we change the crew, which is sharpened specifically for these modules, equipment and this task. But should the crew also wait in the base? In short, it turns out to be a mess with logistics and crew training.
        2. jonht
          jonht 9 November 2018 04: 40
          +1
          Regarding the integrated ASG, I note that the presence of a helipad and hangar allows you to take an anti-submarine helicopter on board and close the issue of weapons against submarines. I hope the explanation is not required for weapons (in the arsenal of the helicopter - torpedoes and depth charges).
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 8 November 2018 13: 55
      +6
      Quote: Wiruz
      who would explain why pr.22160 towed GAS in the absolute absence of TA and VPU for PLUR.

      but who will understand them .... from this building it would be necessary to do an anti-submarine boat and not to know what! By the way, they can optionally put calm1 - if it is embodied in iron - you get a good corvette
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 8 November 2018 13: 56
        +5
        if it is embodied in iron - you get a good corvette

        So these thoughts visited me hi
    3. iaroslav.mudryi
      iaroslav.mudryi 8 November 2018 15: 20
      +1
      Quote: Wiruz
      .... Then it seems like it’s already not quite a patrolman, but almost a corvette ...


      PC Ave. 22160 can be attributed to the class of "reinforced" corvettes.

      VO has already done a detailed analysis of 22160 pr. Here:
      https://topwar.ru/91585-korvety-pr-22160-malozametnye-patrulnye-korabli-s-vozmozhnostyami-esminca-vsled-za-soobrazitelnym.html
    4. alexmach
      alexmach 8 November 2018 20: 42
      0
      Or was the placement of "Calm" on the models only to attract foreign customers?

      There was a variant of the Calm installation, but in the fat year, the MO chose autonomy instead of air defense to perform those very anti-piracy tasks.
  3. mark1
    mark1 8 November 2018 13: 45
    +3
    The Ka-52 is good, it increases striking power, responsiveness, etc. etc. (well, not with pirates, he really does fight) but ... all this is devalued by the lack of a full-fledged air defense system, well, let not the "Calm" on 24 launchers as they threatened, but at least the good old "Dagger" in cellular launchers without drums.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 8 November 2018 13: 54
      +1
      Well, not with the pirates he really fight

      Well, actually yes. This is not the only, but one of his main tasks. So at least they claimed
      1. mark1
        mark1 8 November 2018 14: 06
        +4
        Quote: Wiruz
        This is not the only, but one of his main tasks. So at least they claimed

        It was a long time ago, the priorities in the current state of the fleet have changed (at least they should have). And platform 22160 is excellent, if everything that we promised to push was pushed into it, we would at least plug the hole with the "admirals" pr 11356 and maybe partly with 22350.
        1. Random
          Random 8 November 2018 14: 27
          +1
          Quote: mark1
          if they pushed everything that they promised to push into it

          That's it....."if only".... recourse
          1. mark1
            mark1 8 November 2018 14: 35
            +3
            Quote: Random
            ....."if only"....

            This is our credo ... after "always" ...
        2. Vadmir
          Vadmir 8 November 2018 15: 10
          +4
          And platform 22160 is excellent, if everything that we promised to push was pushed into it, we would at least plug the hole with the "admirals" pr 11356 and maybe partially with 22350.
          The problem is that it is modular, you can install Caliber there, but without the air defense towed by the ASU and the helicopter, you can install Calm, but then without the Caliber, helicopter and ASU, you can place the helicopter, but without the Caliber, Calm and ASU, you can install the towed Gas, but then again without a helicopter, Caliber and Calm.
          And instead of all this, you can install a hangar for a boat and scare pirates.
          In addition to anti-piracy missions, the purpose of this ship is becoming unclear, it can do everything, but it can’t do anything at the same time.
          Such a tangle of contradictions.
          Well, he will not be able to replace the ships of projects 11356, 22350 and even 20380 because they are universal, but he does not.
          1. mark1
            mark1 8 November 2018 15: 15
            0
            Quote: Vadmir
            Such a tangle of contradictions.

            Yes, everything will fit there, only autonomy will suffer. And she is already hyper ...
            1. Vadmir
              Vadmir 8 November 2018 15: 24
              +1
              This is not so, the container with replaceable modules is placed in one single place, theoretically it is possible to place a helicopter together with any of the modules, but then the helicopter will not have a hangar.
              1. mark1
                mark1 8 November 2018 15: 30
                0
                Quote: Vadmir
                a container with replaceable modules is placed in one single place

                A slot with a missile defense system (and possibly a PLUR) to another place, and so yes, either a helicopter with suspended weapons, or "Caliber" (but why would he then a helicopter?) And reconnaissance and control center can be operated by drones.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 8 November 2018 21: 04
                  0
                  A slot with SAM (and you can PLUR) to another place

                  And a radar slot ...
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 8 November 2018 21: 03
                0
                This is not so, the container with replaceable modules is placed in one single place, theoretically it is possible to place a helicopter together with any of the modules, but then the helicopter will not have a hangar.

                There is still enough space under the deck. A helicopter and something else (GAS) may also fit in. I don’t install air defense in my opinion ...
          2. mashinist
            mashinist 8 November 2018 20: 12
            +2
            Do not escalate ... only the SAM, of course, is not visible
            1. mark1
              mark1 8 November 2018 20: 42
              +1
              Quote: mashinist
              only air defense systems of course not visible

              Front seat for air defense systems near the AU. Or, as it is now, there’s a marines kubrick.
              1. mashinist
                mashinist 8 November 2018 20: 55
                0
                type on the 3rd and then there will be calm?
                1. mark1
                  mark1 8 November 2018 22: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: mashinist
                  type on the 3rd

                  this is your logical chain ... I would like ...
                  1. mashinist
                    mashinist 8 November 2018 23: 15
                    0
                    I beguiled with 22800 there from the 3rd carapace m instead of ak 630 will be ... it turns out the main working tool in fact it is a helicopter with ptrk and X35U, i.e. this is a kind of helicopter carrier with one helicopter))) There is a gun and it is a carrier of cruise missiles. But there is no CEO. Although for his purposes, she probably can be neglected .... Damn, well, at least they gave the SAM, otherwise there’s nothing to fight back, wait like ... until they knock him down. Instead of a turret, a buoyan or a karakurt air defense system has a displacement of up to 1000 tons, and this one has 1500! By the way, how many marines can not accommodate?
            2. Vadmir
              Vadmir 9 November 2018 10: 31
              0
              That's right, the gauges are in the modular compartment, the helicopter is pushed forward, it cannot take off with open hatches, it does not have a hangar.
              Instead of Gauges, you can install another module (Calm, towed GAS or hangar., Again, two types, either for a helicopter or for an armored boat.
          3. alexmach
            alexmach 8 November 2018 21: 02
            0
            you can install Calm, but then without Caliber

            How can I install Calm there? Where? In the deck space or what? And the radars there too?
            1. Vadmir
              Vadmir 9 November 2018 10: 33
              0
              Look at the photo a little higher, if you remove the Gauges then you can install Calm in their place.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 9 November 2018 11: 49
                0
                Well, great. Do you install air defense system radars in their place in the below deck space?
                1. Vadmir
                  Vadmir 9 November 2018 17: 50
                  +1
                  The radar is installed in any case, it is stationary - Positive-M1, the same as on the ships of project 11356.
                  Here are its features:
                  Positive-ME radars provide the solution to the following tasks:
                  lighting of air and surface conditions;
                  detection and tracking of air (including small, low flying, diving) and surface targets;
                  detection and tracking of targets in designated sectors and optimization of operating modes depending on the interference environment;
                  determination of the nationality of the detected targets on the principle of "friend or foe" using identification equipment and built-in antennas;
                  determination of coordinates and motion parameters of the followed targets;
                  classification of targets followed by trajectory signs;
                  assessment of the degree of danger of the objectives followed;
                  automatic target allocation and display of the plan with the possibility of its adjustment;
                  output of target designation data to mating ship systems;
                  automated control of operating modes and health monitoring;
                  documentation of the results of information processing for the goals followed, decisions worked out, the state of the interfaced systems;
                  training personnel on simulated radar conditions.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 10 November 2018 01: 07
                    0
                    Indeed there is a radar. Why, then, Calm into the deck? The launcher could be embedded in a regular place before the superstructure. Would increase the efficiency of use.
                    As I understand it, Calm has a missile with a semi-guidance. I wonder if you need a radar target illumination?

                    The ship is actually interesting. It is clear that everything that is written in the nomenclature of armaments cannot be installed on it at the same time. It is clear that modularity has its drawbacks. It’s not clear how this ship will be used in practice ...
                    1. mashinist
                      mashinist 14 November 2018 21: 47
                      0
                      that okay with that calm .. but at least the armor m in front of the superstructure somehow shoved at least some sort of protection
          4. Samaks
            Samaks 11 November 2018 20: 34
            0
            or it may not be possible to set everything all at once since there is no possibility, but to build separately in this case a series of PLO, shock, patrol, air defense. Use accordingly in groups.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 8 November 2018 16: 14
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        Well, actually yes. This is not the only, but one of his main tasks. So at least they claimed

        Heh heh heh ... the problem is that in addition to the fight against pirates, all other tasks voiced for 22160 are not included in the competence of the Navy - these are the tasks of the PKKR in peace and war (during mobilization) time. smile
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 8 November 2018 13: 55
      0
      Quote: mark1
      but at least the good old "Dagger" in cellular PU without drums.

      better shell M ....
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 8 November 2018 14: 40
      +1
      but at least the good old "Dagger" in cellular PU without drums.

      Cannot be a Dagger in cellular PU:
      1) it is so old that it does not exist at all.
      2) the drum is needed to roll the rocket before launch (like a tower on the TOP).
      3) 9M100 would be useful to this ship.
      All the questions that colleagues have are dictated by the misunderstanding that this ship, in wartime, will never be alone. Only as part of KUG IMHO. And so, as a remote source of various information for the KUG control ship, it is quite suitable. Well, he can fight against saboteurs. hi
      1. mark1
        mark1 8 November 2018 14: 53
        +2
        Quote: Alex777
        Cannot be a Dagger in cellular PU:

        Maybe there are no obstacles to the flight of thought. even money is needed very little - stuffed tapes from "TORA" under the deck and ... something like that. He's not old - no orders. But 9M100 is also good (and is he that is?).
        Quote: Alex777
        this ship, in wartime, will never be alone

        How many times in history have they been burned on similar postulates?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 November 2018 16: 21
          0
          Quote: mark1
          Maybe there are no obstacles to the flight of thought. even money is needed very little - stuffed tapes from "TORA" under the deck and ... something like that. He's not old - no orders.

          Hmm ... if the industry could make the "Dagger", then on the "Kulakov" during the repair they would finally put a regular bow air defense system, of which it was deprived from the moment of construction. And not this misunderstanding - "Gibku" - that now flaunts on the site originally intended for the nasal AP "Dagger".
          By the way, "Dagger" was difficult even for the military-industrial complex of the USSR - the empty sites of the AP on Project 1155 are an example of this.
          1. mark1
            mark1 8 November 2018 17: 30
            +2
            On "Fearless" pr 11540 there are no "Uranus", but on "Yaroslav" there are ...
            Morality is not a matter of industry but the final word for the Customer. Decisions are made by our specially trained admirals and their curators like Yu. Borisov.
  4. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 8 November 2018 13: 51
    +3
    Taking into account the fact that the Katran program must be implemented, the Ministry of Defense decided to reinforce the patrols with these helicopters. Well, at least so.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 8 November 2018 14: 01
      +2
      Not really. As stated earlier, as it was later confirmed in "Military Acceptance", the main purpose of these ships is to protect civilian ships in areas of pirate activity and patrol sea trade routes. There, for these purposes, there is also an armored boat (two, if I'm not mistaken), and so, they decided to equip a patrolman with a helicopter. Air support, reconnaissance, all things ...
  5. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 8 November 2018 14: 08
    0
    Apparently, Kuzyu, our authorities and the fleet do not see themselves floating even in the future, and so they begin to fuck everything that’s worth it.
  6. lucul
    lucul 8 November 2018 14: 13
    +2
    have a folding screw warehouse and wing consoles for fastening

    Correct.
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 November 2018 14: 45
    +9
    Tryndets full and final. I also propose the modernized T-72Б3 to drag along the bottom on a rope
    1. faiver
      faiver 8 November 2018 15: 23
      +2
      five points, you can’t say better laughing
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 November 2018 16: 24
      +1
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Tryndets full and final. I also propose the modernized T-72Б3 to drag along the bottom on a rope

      Come on, just met two loneliness ©.
      One unnecessary thing was put on another not very necessary one - what if something acceptable turns out? smile
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 November 2018 20: 19
        +2
        Quote: Alexey RA
        One unnecessary thing was put on another not very necessary

        Well, why should they not put a statue of Tsereteli on Nabiullina instead?
  8. kplayer
    kplayer 8 November 2018 20: 52
    +2
    They survived! ... There were no deck helicopters (missile defense carriers, anti-ship missiles), why exactly a specialized "striker" with armor protection, which is scarce for ground forces?
  9. Steel falcon
    Steel falcon 8 November 2018 22: 22
    +1
    Such helicopters are needed to destroy tanks and to drive bearded rabble through the forests, and not to look for submarines and jam fish. Ka-27 is more appropriate and cheaper.