Comments FSIN about crabs and kebabs in the colony

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When arguments are being held about the inevitability of punishment and the fact that it should be proportionate to the committed criminal act, we can now also speak of a “visual example.” It is possible that we are talking about a single case in the correctional system, but this case is too resonant.

The scandal broke out around the photos from the colony of a strict regime, where Vyacheslav Tsepovyaz, convicted in the so-called Kuschev case, was captured. The court sentenced him to 20 years of "strogach" on charges of committing a massacre in the village of Kushchevskaya. Tsepovyaz, as established by the investigation, was a member of the criminal group of Sergey Tsapka, who committed a series of high-profile crimes in the Krasnodar Territory.



Comments FSIN about crabs and kebabs in the colony


A network of photos of Tsepovyaz appeared in the network, in which he poses in a prison uniform behind a laid table not at all on the camp table. On the table Tsepovyaz - crabs and caviar. In another photo, he fries kebabs.



Earlier there appeared photos of Tsepovyaz from the colony, where he was "in the chamber" sitting on a soft sofa in a "warm and soulful company." These photos and attracted the attention of not only the public, but also representatives of the authorities, who somewhat doubted that such benefits “according to the charter” were provided for in the colony of a strict regime.

The press service of the FSIN Department in the Amur Region commented on the photo with Tsepovyaz. It is stated that the photos are genuine, and added that they are "not today's, but from 2015 of the year." And what does that change? The administration of the correctional institution was not aware of what was happening in the territory entrusted to it? Are there any guarantees that in the colonies for those who have committed serious crimes there is nothing like this today?

The press service stated that the materials on violations of the rules of the prisoner were transferred to the investigating authorities.
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  1. +97
    7 November 2018 08: 49
    lack of inevitability of punishment is the main reason for rampant corruption and crime in the country
    1. +86
      7 November 2018 09: 04
      Money and lawlessness decide everything in our country. And there is nothing to add
      1. +9
        7 November 2018 09: 14
        hi
        Quote: 210ox
        Salvage and lawlessness decide everything in our country

        Salvage defeats evil? Or good?
        1. +24
          7 November 2018 09: 29
          Who and what was shooting and uploading these photos to the network? Violation of the regime revealed only through violation of the regime. Maybe it’s time to think about the degree of closure of the penal system itself?
          1. +10
            7 November 2018 09: 32
            Quote: Thrall
            Who and what was shooting and uploading these photos to the network?

            Judging by the quality - a mobile phone. Maybe they said about this violation:
            materials on violations of the rules for the detention of a prisoner were transferred to the investigating authorities.
          2. +5
            7 November 2018 11: 28
            What mode is ITU ??? He is not here! In online games, a huge number of convicts are sitting. Around the clock! Social networks, forums!
            1. 0
              8 November 2018 16: 53
              Corruption will destroy this country.
          3. +2
            7 November 2018 11: 36
            I posted on the network a wife with whom this ghoul shares property and money. Divorce and all that.
          4. +18
            7 November 2018 13: 03
            Quote: Thrall
            Who and what was shooting and uploading these photos to the network? Violation of the regime revealed only through violation of the regime. Maybe it’s time to think about the degree of closure of the penal system itself?
            Here it is just right to think about how to curtain this OPENNESS, and you are talking about "closedness". For every convict today there are five under-human rights defenders ("human rights defenders"), and for every employee of the colony there are five prosecutors reinforced by the same five "under-rights defenders". Any strengthening of the regime, and even the requirement for exceptional observance of the established regime within the established one, is used by the Z / K to declare hunger strikes and other actions of disobedience to the administration. After that, all sorts of commissions go there (the Federal Penitentiary Service, the Prosecutor's Office, human rights activists and other fighters for human rights) and "punish" the employees. The problem is that places of deprivation of liberty today perform only one function - isolation from society, but have lost their functions of correction. The situation with this colony testifies only to the fact that the zonovskoe "otritsalovo" undermined the administration of the colony and there is only one way out - the transfer of all convicts to the correctional facilities of other regions and the change of administration leadership. In general, now it is difficult to say who is more punished and is serving time - a prisoner or an employee. Many here write, they say, they need to send a forest to Kolyma to cut down - but .... today, you can attract a convict to work only with his written consent. He does not want to work and extinguish a claim for damage to the victim or the state - his right means he will just sit and receive free medical care, a bathhouse, heat and light, clean bedding and his own rations at the expense of the taxpayer, who, in turn, being at liberty is often not he has the opportunity to buy himself half of the prisoners rations daily, and even more so to pay for all the delights of his life.
            1. 0
              7 November 2018 19: 19
              IR employees often go too far, i.e. themselves break the law
      2. +3
        7 November 2018 10: 04
        Nothing to say. hi
        1. +2
          7 November 2018 11: 37
          Similarly.
    2. +72
      7 November 2018 09: 09
      Quote: Rich
      lack of inevitability of punishment is the main reason for rampant corruption and crime in the country

      But it’s so simple, check now the head of the colony, look at what he’s driving, evaluate the house, compare it with the income and trial, next to the hoe, eat barbecue ..
      1. +14
        7 November 2018 09: 18
        One more, one less, in his place turn. smile
        1. +26
          7 November 2018 09: 33
          The court sentenced him to 20 years "strict" on charges of committing a massacre in the village of Kushchevskaya

          Here the choice is not great, either Stalin or a barbecue under brandy.
          1. +71
            7 November 2018 09: 41
            Quote: figvam
            The court sentenced him to 20 years "strict" on charges of committing a massacre in the village of Kushchevskaya

            Here the choice is not great, either Stalin or a barbecue under brandy.

            Sergei hi I think that you can do without Stalin negative it is enough to return the article "confiscation of property", and from all relatives up to the 5th generation, if there is no confirmation of the income received. All liberal thieves stand for the impossibility of entering this article, so that's how we live somehow ....! request
            1. +18
              7 November 2018 10: 05
              Quote: Major Yurik
              All liberal thieves breastfeed stands for the impossibility of entering this article

              So I say that only Stalin can manage here.
            2. +3
              7 November 2018 12: 22
              Quote: Major Yurik
              Quote: figvam
              The court sentenced him to 20 years "strict" on charges of committing a massacre in the village of Kushchevskaya

              Here the choice is not great, either Stalin or a barbecue under brandy.

              Sergei hi I think that you can do without Stalin negative it is enough to return the article "confiscation of property", and from all relatives up to the 5th generation, if there is no confirmation of the income received. All liberal thieves stand for the impossibility of entering this article, so that's how we live somehow ....! request

              Yeah, wait, maybe invite them to cut their own eggs with a sickle !?
            3. 0
              7 November 2018 17: 03
              Watch the blog on YouTube of the Particularly Dangerous Lawyer, he will tell you everything there what is going on in Krasnodar .. I still don’t know how I’m alive myself ..
              1. +6
                7 November 2018 17: 07
                right there they divide the land through Khakhaleva (the golden judge) and through the front judges, the Tsapka case lives ..
      2. -8
        7 November 2018 09: 31
        Quote: Svarog
        But it’s so simple, now check the head of the colony, look at what he drives, evaluate the house, compare it with income

        All employees annually report on income, expenses, real estate, etc. OSB regularly checks
        1. +13
          7 November 2018 10: 21
          So what? Efficiency ZERO! Barinov, Rudy, Cherskov ..... they also gave a report wassat
          1. 0
            7 November 2018 11: 49
            Quote: Dart
            Efficiency ZERO! Barinov, Rudy, Cherskov ..... they also passed the report wassat

            And what did they not please you with?
            1. 0
              7 November 2018 13: 42
              Quote: dr.star75
              Quote: Dart
              Efficiency ZERO! Barinov, Rudy, Cherskov ..... they also passed the report wassat

              And what did they not please you with?

              Well, for example, Cherskov did not please the president, and so he flew out of the FSIN FSB.
          2. 0
            8 November 2018 00: 41
            Reimer - FSIN, Smirnov - Rostov UFSIN. First google, and then voice your amateurish conclusions for effectiveness. You are like a cook who was allowed to rule the country.
        2. +5
          7 November 2018 11: 34
          Quote: dr.star75
          OSB regularly checks

          Means badly checks. How are we? The commission for combating corruption in any institution is necessarily headed by the chief corrupt official of that institution. Nobody gave the command to FAS, they will not bring anyone to justice, otherwise they will suddenly press the wrong one. The "Fas" command should be given from the very top and touch the very tops, then the wool will begin at the bottom.
        3. +7
          7 November 2018 11: 48
          Your employees do not submit a "report" annually, but a tax return. For some reason, it does not affect the number of storeys of villas on Rublevka.
        4. +7
          7 November 2018 13: 59
          I can't even laugh. within a radius of about 800 meters from my place of residence 3 itu and sizo. perpendicular to my street there are two beggar alleys. these alleys are built up in a mixture of "authorities in uniform" and "authorities" without shoulder straps. I can even go to take pictures of these "houses"))). one of the houses was built for two owners by the head of the 1st colony and the city "overseer". True, the chief itu then resold his half to the chief 33 itu and he himself went somewhere to the south. the pension is preferential.
      3. +3
        7 November 2018 12: 47
        And who will check ..? FSIN is a state in a state.
        1. -3
          7 November 2018 12: 51
          Quote: Pivasik
          FSIN is a state in a state.

          No- FSIN is a unit of the Ministry of Justice of the Ministry of Justice if that.
          1. +1
            8 November 2018 00: 43
            This is not a unit, this is the Federal Service, if that.
      4. +6
        7 November 2018 17: 22
        And the prosecutor will come to check him on a wheelbarrow for 5-7 lyamov or who else is the same. We need to treat a disease, not symptoms, but a disease with us, this is a thieves' system. And so, having removed this, another person will sit in his place, the same one who paid for this place, and everything will be as it was.
      5. -1
        8 November 2018 16: 56
        The whole system is rotten.
    3. +5
      7 November 2018 09: 29
      I understood what the problem was: crabs were sour. (WITH)
    4. +8
      7 November 2018 11: 46
      Quote: Rich
      lack of inevitability of punishment is the main reason for rampant corruption and crime in the country

      Well, but Stalin has a bloody tyrant. if now I would like to give it to everyone like that, it would turn out just 37 years or even abruptly
    5. +1
      9 November 2018 07: 06
      ... just for serious crimes you need to return * the tower * ...
    6. 0
      11 November 2018 09: 12
      Quote: Rich
      lack of inevitability of punishment is the main reason for rampant corruption and crime in the country

      The formula about the "inevitability of punishment" is correct only if the punishment itself makes it impossible to commit crimes.

      For clarity, an example. How many people in Russia are ready to spend two, three, or even five years in a colony in exchange for one million bucks? Right now - keep the lemon, in any form, to any accounts and to the colony. AND? I think that it was not millions, but tens of millions, that such a proposal would be accepted for a fortunate occasion that occurs once and not in every life. And if you raise the bar - not one million dollars, but 10 million? And if 100, a billion, finally?

      Let's say the formula worked, let's say. So what if the punishment for corruption has become inevitable? Yes, only at a percentage of honestly stolen from the people, this corrupt official in prison organizes such a life that half of the Russians envy.

      That's when the punishment will be consistent, then the formula will be fair. In the meantime, it only sounds beautiful - the inevitability of punishment !, and no more.
      1. 0
        11 November 2018 10: 28
        Inevitably punished:
  2. AUL
    +18
    7 November 2018 08: 51
    And you thought there will bring him up, will correct? Schazz ...
    1. +5
      7 November 2018 09: 30
      Turma has no such task: to correct and educate. There "restrict freedom"
      The fact that crabs and barbecue is bad, that he is in turma is good
      1. +6
        7 November 2018 09: 50
        Quote: another RUSICH
        Turma has no such task: to correct and educate. There "restrict freedom"
        The fact that crabs and barbecue is bad, that he is in turma is good

        Yes, the Soviet regime has ended; they are not even trying to correct it. We have concluded agreements with Europe, we have gained incomprehensible responsibilities, and now we are sitting and watching, we are awesome, as it so happened that they feed better in the zone and VTK than in schools and kindergartens!
      2. +12
        7 November 2018 10: 58
        Quote: another RUSICH

        the fact that he is in Turma is good

        In the earth would look better.
  3. +63
    7 November 2018 08: 52
    Well, that can be concluded. The system, any system of the state in Russia has completely "rotted". And it probably won't recover. So tell me what's going on? The civil authorities noted with their representatives "Makaroshkas and 3500 people a month are enough" and "why gave birth, the state should not you", a video from the Yaroslavl colony and police rape by a police officer, "no money, but you hold on" and much more !!!! ! So what's going on in the country? Or is it no longer a country with a civil, law enforcement and judicial system, but just a tumbleweed?
    Such a photo and actions are pushing for the commission of crimes, he killed children and is fattening! And what can you do! Killed and sit with barbecue and crabs. In the wild there is no such thing !!!!!!!!
    Complete degradation of the system, and any !!!!!!!! Understand dear forum users - Scary !!!!!
    1. +16
      7 November 2018 09: 02
      Quote: Olegater
      And probably will not recover.

      The probability is 100%. In this regard, all wet dreams of "rebirth" (hereinafter a list to choose from: space, aircraft construction, shipbuilding, or "legal proceedings", etc.) remain only wet dreams.
    2. -4
      7 November 2018 09: 32
      You surprise me. But what, under the USSR, thieves in the zone lived differently?
      1. +3
        7 November 2018 09: 38
        In different ways, depending on which zone. Yes, and now also.
        1. +2
          7 November 2018 10: 37
          Yes, in all zones there was a stratification of barred people, in the "red" activists of the Socialist Democratic Party-eshniks, and outlaws like this subject fattened, in the "black" thieves, and this case is far from being an isolated one, and if his case were not resonant, it would also be a conditional
      2. +23
        7 November 2018 10: 10
        So where do you see the kingpin in the photo? She has a killer of children and a rapist.
        1. +5
          7 November 2018 11: 01
          Quote: private person
          rapist.

          In the USSR he would have been lowered back to the pre-trial detention center and he would have lived by the bucket.
          1. 0
            7 November 2018 11: 13
            Are they lowering them now? Now the ban on the lowering zones! And in the zone you can always find almost everything you need, if you have a head on your shoulders and finances, it was, is and will be! The hostess will always go to an agreement with the thieves (who is bigger - who is less, but always agree), who does not want a riot, etc., because if there is a riot in the zone - the hostess flies from her place and not only the owner !!! Whoever was on a business trip was aware that nothing supernatural was captured in these photos!
          2. 0
            9 November 2018 01: 29
            In the USSR, he would not live to see the court
      3. +3
        7 November 2018 12: 05
        Of course also. But they weren’t borzels enough to be published on the Pravda editorial, for example, with barbecue and crabs. The result would be quick and decisive.
        1. -5
          7 November 2018 12: 14
          For whom would he be quick? And if it’s a meeting room or a hotel courtyard, where a convict is fried on a date with a cbash, then what? In this case, everything falls under permission and there’s not a single boom! News sucked from a finger, aroused the intelligentsia!)))
          1. +2
            7 November 2018 12: 20
            If ... What a good word.
            1. -4
              7 November 2018 12: 22
              Do you know in what room he is grilling kebab?
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 12: 38
                God has mercy so far. Not in the know, and I really hope I don’t know.
                1. 0
                  7 November 2018 12: 59
                  God forbid that they do not know! Better on the outside!
                  1. +2
                    7 November 2018 13: 07
                    Do you know? Well, where did he grill the barbecue?
                    1. -2
                      7 November 2018 13: 12
                      I do not know, but there may be several places: date, wash, Kubrick! And what do you think that right in the middle of the hut a fire burned and forth?)))) Well, you give a pancake !!!
                      1. +1
                        7 November 2018 13: 33
                        I also do not know, but from the photo we can assume that:
                        1. Prepared exactly chicken legs.
                        2. In the photo, the legs are already ready on the board. no coal. most likely it was cooked not on an open fire, but on auxiliary equipment.
                        3. The window shows the fence.
                        4. Availability of skewers and barbecue.
                        Yes, most likely they shot it at a promok.
                        And with crabs, rather on a date. The background is appropriate.
                      2. -3
                        7 November 2018 18: 28
                        You see!)) And not any violations of the detention regime!)
              2. +1
                9 November 2018 03: 00
                Quote: Former Russian
                Do you know in what room he is grilling kebab?

                Where is the phone from? Are you allowed to use a date? And, lads, his surrounding, will be his husbands? :))) laughing
      4. 0
        8 November 2018 18: 59
        Quote: another RUSICH
        You surprise me. But what, under the USSR, thieves in the zone lived differently?

        The more the system was bourgeois, the better they lived.
    3. 0
      8 November 2018 19: 07
      Quote: Olegater
      Understand dear forum users - Scary !!!!!

      For a capitalist society "an enterprising dude knows how to get settled" the alignment is completely normal, you are there at home a little, we are here at home, spinning, spinning, business schmiznes.
  4. +3
    7 November 2018 08: 52
    Such a jail time is a rather expensive “pleasure”.
    1. +29
      7 November 2018 09: 01
      No wonder, it is strange that there are no photos with women of reduced social responsibility. The first years were the publication of nothing confirmed that someone from this gang committed suicide in custody, and allegedly it was twins, and the characters themselves thus rescued.
      The role of a certain deputy chairman of the court in one of the districts of Moscow was not consecrated. A feature film based on a gang of hoe is just a mockery. But what about the prosecutor with land plots of several dozen hectares, and finally, why is the local FSB not so much gu so much time? Because it wasn’t her business? For a second, imagine that the whole country is under the control of hoes and wye, and how will we differ from Bandera? Fascism is an ideology of criminals, an example of Germany of the 20-30s and Ukraine should not be forgotten.
      1. +8
        7 November 2018 09: 15
        Quote: Balu
        finally, why so much time the local FSB nor gu-gu?

        Quote: Balu
        For a second, imagine that the whole country is under the control of hoes and wye

        You are not able to make an obvious conclusion?
        1. +1
          7 November 2018 17: 07
          Quote: Puncher
          You are not able to make an obvious conclusion?
          Reply

          No. Another profession.
      2. -2
        7 November 2018 09: 34
        Quote: Balu
        it is strange that there are no photos with women of low social responsibility.

        Previously, in the 90s this happened, now not.
      3. +3
        7 November 2018 10: 50
        There is a woman and filmed. She quarreled with the figure depicted in the photo and published photos
      4. +1
        8 November 2018 14: 59
        Quote: Balu
        Imagine for a moment that the whole country is under the control of the hoes

        Why imagine imagination strain, fantasy? Comp from the window behind which reality, very far away?
      5. +1
        8 November 2018 19: 11
        Quote: Balu
        Fascism is an ideology of criminals, an example of Germany of the 20-30s and Ukraine should not be forgotten.

        ..Which grows well on the basis of capital.
    2. +7
      7 November 2018 09: 10
      Countryman, you know very well, well, maybe you’ll be mistaken for a couple of hundred million what money tossing and turning in Kushchevskaya .. There you couldn’t go into the tavern without the permission of Tsapkov. So he has everything in openwork and will be. It’s a pity that you won’t return people
      1. 0
        7 November 2018 09: 12
        Quite right, there is still bickering over their “inheritance”
    3. BAI
      +2
      7 November 2018 09: 10
      According to his wife, 3 a year.
      1. -1
        7 November 2018 09: 11
        I thought it was more expensive.
      2. +1
        7 November 2018 09: 55
        3 per year.

        VIP client, however. There you still need to look, the colony contains it, or it is a colony.
    4. 0
      7 November 2018 09: 15
      I was surprised a lot when I found out that online stores work in this system, although the price tag is said to be shitty
      An acquaintance was "lucky" to sit in a Moscow pre-trial detention center. About, 100 thousand, per month came out ... "Resort", right!)))
  5. +5
    7 November 2018 08: 56
    Money, corruption and all that jazz.
    This was probably sad to pass the time in prison, and there were those who contributed to their not boring leisure.
    The fish rots there, below, if the head is rotten!
  6. +28
    7 November 2018 08: 57
    Nothing will fix them. Maybe it's time to lift the moratorium on the death penalty? And introduce a rule for jailers. As a photo appears with a soft sofa and barbecue in a maximum security colony, so that a week later a photo appears with the head of the colony on the bunk - in the same colony. You can embrace the hero of the first photo ...
    1. +5
      7 November 2018 11: 22
      lol I can give you such pictures from the camp, that you will be in shock! Prisoners live normally, many are better than free, beds, televisions, telephones (latest models), DVD, alcohol, drugs, etc. Who was in this system that these pictures do not surprise! You are small, people everywhere, everywhere you can solve issues with feeding, and with warming from the will, etc. !!! In our camp, a long date (3 days) cost 6 cans of paint, 3 cans of varnish and go on a date, although according to the situation, a long one is given 3 times a year and if there are no regime violations, but this issue can always be solved!)) )
      1. +1
        8 November 2018 19: 38
        Duck is understandable, on both sides of the lattice are essentially the same citizens, equally motivated, some have powers at others, loot, trade, market.
    2. +1
      9 November 2018 01: 32
      The death penalty will not help. They will shoot the left. It is necessary to change the whole system. She is very rotten
  7. +5
    7 November 2018 08: 57
    Corruption, the inevitability of punishment .... The cult of money, the ideology of enrichment at any cost is the cause of all troubles. Corruption is only the result of an ideological crisis, when the morality of public benefit and climbing the social ladder, according to the benefits brought to society and responsibility for their actions, was replaced by the morality of personal enrichment and occupation of social position, according to the available material wealth. "The inevitability of punishment" too, will not solve the problem .... turning into a "police state" is not an option.
  8. +2
    7 November 2018 08: 58
    Just now there was material from Ufa about rape. And then it became clear that everything was in agreement. So it is here. Probably the table was set for the "godfather" who left the room out of need, and the bandit crept there at that moment and filmed himself against the background of everything ... belay
    We are no longer interested in the questions on whose side the Russian justice is today and why ( stop how much does it cost.
    1. +16
      7 November 2018 09: 01
      About the case in Ufa. What difference does it make! By consent or by force. The fact of such an incident in the LAW ENFORCEMENT BODIES !!!!!!! That's the problem!
      1. +19
        7 November 2018 09: 13
        Quote: Olegater
        About the case in Ufa. What difference does it make! By consent or by force. The fact of such an incident in the LAW ENFORCEMENT BODIES !!!!!!! That's the problem!

        I don’t exclude that the girl dug up something, they wanted to talk to her in a good way, didn’t give in, then they lowered her in chorus, and pouring alcohol into three men was not a problem for the girl. One of the characters protected the Caucasians who illegally traded sand, this is as if for thought.
        And note which company in the media and the internet against the girl is very symptomatic. These three abominations, with epaulets and caps, were sure of impunity. And why they do not show a "rival" is also symptomatic.
        But this is just my guess, something in this soup is missing.
        1. +11
          7 November 2018 09: 24
          If we consider this crime, then we ask ourselves, where is the department of our own security? What does not catch? If everyone is tied there, then where is the FSB? What, such cases of corruption in relation to policemen are not conducted by them camilfo? Or were they all in share? So a problem arises from recruitment to educational institutions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to the monitoring of local activities.
          1. +4
            7 November 2018 11: 46
            Quote: Olegater
            So a problem arises from recruitment to educational institutions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, to the monitoring of local activities.

            Enrollment in educational institutions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is a very expensive pleasure, only the elite can afford. I saw a car in the parking lot of such an institution, mostly a premium class. And the money invested in such an education needs to be beaten off somehow, so they beat it off. I suppose that the FSB system is no better.
        2. -4
          7 November 2018 09: 58
          Yes, a regular investigator could dig up a week without a year, I beg you, it’s not a series which ... vodka got drunk, it stuck in the brain, well, the young lady behaved herself frivolously ... well, it started ... tough of course ... but surrenders to me nevertheless in the classical sense of rape was not
          1. +2
            7 November 2018 10: 24
            the classic understanding of rape was not

            Well, yes, I agreed with one, but here a couple more. But what do you think she didn’t care? Yes, and searches in the apartments of the suspects only say that everything was filmed on video.
          2. 0
            7 November 2018 11: 36
            I live in Ufa. 100% infa that the girl is not a miserable mother. I was even caught studying with a student in the AUDIENCE! And ... guess? Request for wear.
            1. +1
              8 November 2018 17: 14
              Quote: Kosta153
              I live in Ufa. 100% infa that the girl is not a miserable mother. I was even caught studying with a student in the AUDIENCE! And ... guess? Request for wear.

              He kept the candle until it burned out? angry fool am
    2. -2
      7 November 2018 10: 43
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Probably the table was set for the "godfather" who left the room out of need, and the bandit crept there at that moment and filmed himself against the background of everything ... belay

      For some reason, this idea also first occurred to me. Most likely, as an approximate "shnyr" (service staff) fried a shish kebab for a "godfather" (head of the ITU operative department) or "owner" (head of the ITU), or already collected leftovers from the table, and took a picture on their phone, they say, I'll send it to my mother, let I don’t mind that living in the "zone" is hard for me, and fluffing my tail in front of the lads is also useful, like we are the right ones laughing
      1. 0
        7 November 2018 11: 55
        Write nonsense. ITU, like the Gulag, has long been gone. You are clearly not in the subject.
        1. 0
          7 November 2018 12: 00
          Quote: dr.star75
          ITU, like the Gulag, has long been gone. You are clearly not in the subject.

          Yes, I’ve been retired for more than a dozen years, and I don’t really follow what’s called now, I don’t really need to, there are other interests. And if you are in the subject, then tell me what is now called correctional labor institutions (ITU), designed to serve a sentence of imprisonment.
          1. 0
            7 November 2018 12: 18
            A pre-trial detention center is a pre-trial detention center for suspects, an infrared correctional colony for convicts. KP- colony settlement. All. true (there is still for minors)
            1. 0
              7 November 2018 15: 46
              There are prisons, there are several, and correctional colonies are divided by regime
  9. -21
    7 November 2018 08: 58
    pictures pull stupidly at Photoshop, and very poor quality.
    1. +21
      7 November 2018 09: 04
      They have already been recognized as genuine. Have you read the whole news?
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  10. +12
    7 November 2018 09: 01
    Skewers themselves were handed over by looters from thieves.
    He is dependent on the common fund and, according to thieves' concepts, he is supposed to live like that.
    Now all the colonies are cutting loot with thieves - a joint business, so to speak.
    There were cases when the administration turned a blind eye to the phones of convicts, through which convicts bred grandmothers for transfers (ale-male business) and even contributed, having a percentage from convicts.
    Well, what did you want - a "bright" capitalist future has come
    1. 0
      7 November 2018 09: 09
      But is he really a criminal authority?
    2. +1
      7 November 2018 09: 47
      According to the thieves' concepts, he is a chaos, and only convicts who actively cooperate with the administration can use such benefits in the zone.
      1. 0
        7 November 2018 11: 29
        Quote: Xazarin
        According to the thieves' concepts, he is a chaos, and only convicts who actively cooperate with the administration can use such benefits in the zone.

        Come on!? ))) Lawless people are now many thieves watching (game, common fund, warming, etc.), a prisoner collaborating with the administration has a goat and he has stripes on his sleeves, this one seems to have no! And it’s more likely that he’s closer to thieves than goats and they’re cooler there with food, and with everything else!
        1. +1
          7 November 2018 11: 57
          Personal experience or rumored? I spoke about concepts and not about individuals. And what does the common fund and warming have to do with it? So once again about the "concept", you can’t kill, you can’t rape, they ask this person barbecue fries in the industrial zone and not under the roof, he had 16 promotions (this is a lot), I’m even afraid to think what kind of cannibalism he does there, of course there is an option which simply brings in a lot, but usually one is connected with the other.
          1. +1
            7 November 2018 12: 02
            Quote: Xazarin
            I spoke about concepts and not about individuals. And what does the common fund and warming have to do with it?

            And what is said in the concepts that the lawless one cannot be thieves?))) Here's an example for you: Sasha Emelianenko is the lawless one, he still has the suit on the first walk - the lawless one, but he is the one in one bottle! Dormitory, warming - these are those watching))), watching the dormitory, the squad, the game, etc.! No, not rumored)))! You bring paint to the squad, an electric kettle and now you already have a promotion! Or do you think that in order to get encouragement you have to make someone or what to do?)) Well, you give a damn!)))
            1. 0
              7 November 2018 12: 23
              How do I receive encouragement in the know. Thieves and crooks are not the same thing. Well, it sometimes happens that they look from the watchers and ask in the wild for how they “looked.” Dear Former Russian for this, I suggest the polemic cease because it is meaningless, and on all issues welcome to the PM) Soul Soul and Soul)))
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 12: 28
                I agree to all 100%drinks
            2. 0
              7 November 2018 12: 26
              Quote: Former Russian
              And what is said in concepts that a lawless person cannot be thieves?)))
              - no, these are different categories.
              Quote: Former Russian
              Dormitory, warming - these are those watching))), watching the dormitory, the squad, the game, etc.! No, not rumored)))!
              - there are such, but there is a strict hierarchy, and they just don’t take scumbags there
              Quote: Former Russian
              You bring paint to the squad, an electric kettle and now you already have a promotion!
              - not always. Encouragement-participation in the life of the detachment, in one form or another.
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 12: 47
                Quote: dr.star75

                Quote: Former Russian
                And what is said in concepts that a lawless person cannot be thieves?)))
                - no, these are different categories.

                In general, if he is not outrageous at the camp and adheres to the thieves, then his path is not closed to thieves!
                Quote: dr.star75
                - there are such, but there is a strict hierarchy, and they just don’t take scumbags there

                Among them there are drug addicts, and rookies, and chaos !!!
                1. 0
                  7 November 2018 13: 01
                  Quote: Former Russian
                  Former Russian (Andrey) Today, 12:47

                  0
                  Quote: dr.star75

                  Quote: Former Russian
                  And what is said in concepts that a lawless person cannot be thieves?)))
                  - no, these are different categories.

                  In general, if he is not outrageous at the camp and adheres to the thieves, then his path is not closed to thieves!

                  He's outrageous - they don't make it through. Do you think "thieves" are also frostbitten all over their heads?
                  1. -1
                    7 November 2018 13: 02
                    Thieves and thieves are different concepts!
        2. 0
          7 November 2018 11: 58
          You seem to be using cinematic images of the zone that still go around. They are out of date
          1. 0
            7 November 2018 12: 24
            Excuse me, is this my comment?
            1. 0
              7 November 2018 12: 29
              Not at it to me!))
            2. 0
              7 November 2018 12: 39
              Yes, it's me to him! hi laughing
          2. 0
            7 November 2018 12: 31
            No, Michael, you have movie images here! We have so to speak personal experience of staying!)) And I do not need to tell how it is and what!
            1. 0
              7 November 2018 12: 38
              Do not share t.s. personal experience stay? At least call the area?
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 12: 58
                IK 15, Mogilev, RB
                1. 0
                  7 November 2018 13: 13
                  Well, I can’t judge the Belarusians. We had enough of Crimea. We went on business trips. Can I talk about the Russian Federation?
                  1. 0
                    7 November 2018 13: 14
                    In general, I was passing through there, but I had to stay a bit!))) What do you mean about the Russian Federation?
                    1. 0
                      7 November 2018 13: 36
                      Quote: Former Russian
                      What about the RF?

                      Who is the master, positenez or cockroaches on the hut?
                    2. 0
                      7 November 2018 13: 44
                      Well, actually about what you wrote: about the fact that anyone convicted in the Russian Federation can get through at any time! Once again: did you call yourself or not? About Belarus and especially about Ukraine, you can not refer!
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                      2. 0
                        7 November 2018 18: 35
                        I called up more than once!
  11. +1
    7 November 2018 09: 04
    Looks like Karpov from "Capercaillie"
  12. +3
    7 November 2018 09: 07
    Quote: Cat Kuzya
    Corruption, the inevitability of punishment .... The cult of money, the ideology of enrichment at any cost is the cause of all troubles. Corruption is only the result of an ideological crisis, when the morality of public benefit and climbing the social ladder, according to the benefits brought to society and responsibility for their actions, was replaced by the morality of personal enrichment and occupation of social position, according to the available material wealth. "The inevitability of punishment" too, will not solve the problem .... turning into a "police state" is not an option.

    It is simply worship of the golden calf.
  13. +3
    7 November 2018 09: 08
    This is the result of the work of the State Duma, the Government, the prosecutor's office on the liberalization of the penitentiary system. hi
    1. -2
      7 November 2018 09: 17
      Quote: fif21

      This is the result of the work of the State Duma, the Government, the prosecutor's office on the liberalization of the penitentiary system.

      He blamed everyone, but forgot himself
      1. +8
        7 November 2018 09: 31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        He blamed everyone, but forgot himself

        I know my shoals wassat I don't write laws, I don't supervise the FSIN, I don't consider complaints from inmates. So that "prejava" deviates. laughing
    2. +2
      7 November 2018 09: 20
      The question remains one - what is the essence of punishment then, if the punished lives in paradise. request
      1. 0
        7 November 2018 09: 35
        In restriction of freedom of movement.
      2. 0
        7 November 2018 09: 36
        Quote: bessmertniy
        if the punished lives like in paradise.

        Good paradise, 300 square at 300 meters approximately, live and enjoy for many years. Better without crab in the wild than with a crab in the zone.
    3. -1
      7 November 2018 11: 31
      Quote: fif21
      This is the result of the work of the State Duma, the Government, the prosecutor's office on the liberalization of the penitentiary system.

      Don’t be silly, it was so with the union, only the pictures did not show you!)))
  14. BAI
    +7
    7 November 2018 09: 09
    The Federal Penitentiary Service said that of the violations - only a mobile phone. Everything else is possible. Although skewers and open fire on the zone?
    1. +2
      7 November 2018 09: 17
      And the food from the prison food block. )))
    2. +4
      7 November 2018 09: 18
      Quote: BAI
      Everything else is possible. Although skewers and open fire on the zone?

      They lie, he is in strict mode and in the hut, and not in the village. Although I won’t be surprised if he’s already propped up in the village ...
      1. +3
        7 November 2018 09: 27
        Barak- non-normative Zekov Fenya. Right-squad. Yes, even in strict mode, the units have rooms for eating. There are commercial canteens, convicts also cook there, anyone can buy products by card. Money, phones are prohibited.
        1. +2
          7 November 2018 09: 35
          Quote: dr.star75
          Right-squad

          Yes, of course, I forgot. And he wrote an unmarked, but stupid phone corrects automatically.
        2. +1
          7 November 2018 11: 39
          Quote: dr.star75

          Barak - non-standard Zekov Fenya

          Barak is actually a building in which there are units from 1 to 3! Money is prohibited, but phones are already turning a blind eye!
          1. -1
            7 November 2018 12: 06
            Quote: Former Russian
            Barak is actually a building in which there are units from 1 to 3! Money is prohibited, but phones are already turning a blind eye!

            Barack - if it's Obama - is the former US president. And the hut is a temporary fast-erected structure. In IR, there are no barracks, there are units! units can be in one and two-story buildings. And where did you get this fenya? Yes, and money, and phones, are banned.
            1. +1
              7 November 2018 12: 09
              Why are you interested in? The phones turn a blind eye even though they are banned! At any time of the day you can get through to any zone of the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine !!!
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 12: 30
                I have always been pleased with such categorists as you! Have you personally dialed the convicts in the Russian Federation, Ukraine, RB? Especially at "any time of the day"? No, I understand that you say "friend" called! Have you personally tried?
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                2. 0
                  7 November 2018 18: 36
                  I already kind of answered you? Yes I called, then what?
    3. +2
      7 November 2018 09: 23
      Also, on skewers, drew attention))) Probably just the tariff in a higher way))
    4. +4
      7 November 2018 09: 23
      BAI Today, 09: 09 NEW
      The Federal Penitentiary Service said that of the violations - only a mobile phone. Everything else is possible. Although skewers and open fire on the zone?

      What are you talking about ?! not only skewers and fire, but even preparing and eating food in places not provided for this is prohibited by the internal regulations.
      And if someone from the FSIN says otherwise, then it is worth checking this "applicant" for knowledge of the regulations of his own department
      1. +2
        7 November 2018 11: 46
        Quote: Soho
        prohibited by internal regulations.

        So what? It’s forbidden to play cards, it’s forbidden to play any games by record, it’s forbidden to move around after lights out, it’s forbidden to break holes in LANs, it’s forbidden to prepare and drink alcohol, but all this is done not once, but on an ongoing basis that is everyday!!! Dear other world there, and you, with your own free ideas, still don’t smoke like that and what, in order to understand everything how it works, you need to go there))), but it's not worth it, so it’s better to think outside)) ), and there let people understand themselves! Well, if you think that you will be able to remember something, then you are deeply mistaken, put you at least as the master, even as the head of the FSIN - you still will not change anything!
        1. 0
          7 November 2018 12: 02
          So what? It’s forbidden to play cards, it’s forbidden to play any games by record, it’s forbidden to move around after lights out, it’s forbidden to break holes in LANs, it’s forbidden to prepare and drink alcohol, but all this is done not once, but on an ongoing basis that is everyday!!! Dear other world there, and you, with your own free concepts, still don’t smoke like that and what, in order to understand everything how it works there, you need to go there))),

          do not write nonsense. We are analyzing the answer of the FSIN representative. Or do you think that the answer of the security official should sound like that? Like "nichrome not to remake, let it go as it goes." Well, then you shouldn't be indignant against corruption, crime, protectionism, plundering of national wealth, etc. Well, officials are fattening, well, what to take from them - to hell with them, people will figure it out themselves.
          1. -1
            7 November 2018 12: 06
            And what can he answer you? What do you want to change in the FSIN system? Do you think there will be no opposition from the prisoner? Or do you think that this system was born just yesterday? Yes, in the 30-40s we agreed with the GPU officers and the NKVD escort, but now what !!! You better yourself change the thread, and do not touch the prisoner unfinished reformers!
            1. +2
              7 November 2018 12: 11
              You better yourself change the thread, and do not touch the prisoner unfinished reformers!

              you better change your brains. You are trying to explain to us that violations of the legislative and regulatory framework are normal. Your "arguments" that they say it has always been so do not prove that this is a natural course of things. Your attempt to arrange an "Overton window" here with lawlessness in the FSIN does not work
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 12: 21
                You know, it’s possible to change your brains under certain circumstances!))) I’m trying to explain to you that you won’t change it either, the prisoner is not afraid of either Boer or Shizo, much less with the administration, and your wet dreams of redistributing the existing order in the penitentiary system will remain wet dreams! But here is what I want to tell you step-mother: From prison and scrip do not surrender! - old Russian saying. And if God forbid, a verdict will be drawn on you and you will go to the warm edge of Kalym - Magadan, you will say thanks to the people who are shaking the regime and suffering so that the next generation of prisoners would live easier on the camp!
                1. +1
                  7 November 2018 12: 27
                  You know the brains you can change under certain circumstances threatened!)))
                  Internet warrior, you do not "praise" me your knowledge of the zone here. I once served behind the river and saw such that you and your convicts weren’t standing next to you. So tell the "experienced stories" to others
                  1. -1
                    7 November 2018 12: 52
                    Listen here, firstly: You yourself began to be rude, go learn to talk! Secondly, no one is praising you for anything, but they are telling you what is there and what you don’t know, arguing on the topic that a kebab is hobbling! Thirdly: If you were across the river, you wouldn’t ruffle your tongue about what you saw there and about Zekov’s pubs! Because there are a lot of former warriors among the prisoners and they behave very normally unlike you (without boasting what kind of rivers they were there, and indeed people who were across the river at every corner do not shout about it), so it turns out you’re either burly, either a provocateur! So anika - a warrior, go tell tales about your military merits and campaigns, tell the kids in the yard, the killer of the moths!
                    1. +1
                      7 November 2018 13: 01
                      just like a normal troll you should be caught lying.
                      And so, we look WHO first began to be rude.
                      You better yourself change the thread, but do not touch the prisoner, the reformers are unfinished!

                      The next time you want to pretend to be an innocently insulted sufferer, first see that there is no reason to poke your nose in a lie
                      1. -1
                        7 November 2018 13: 08
                        Well, let's catch it!)))
                        I spoke with you on YOU, I do not see rudeness in the commentary that you brought! You can change your car, for example, and not go where you don’t even need to put your heels on! Here is your statement: you better change your brains! Well, how are we going to diverge? I suggested that you change something, but you’re brains me on the go! So maybe you can change yours and learn to talk for a start, and then to talk over the river? Huh?
                      2. +1
                        7 November 2018 13: 16
                        Well, of course, start twisting now)
                        about the river it was said in the context of the fact that there is nothing to feed me with Zon's tales, I have seen the "delights" of life and worse. And some kind of grimace who swaggers with "knowledge" of the topic topic will hardly surprise me.
                        So close the topic. She stepped out of the channel of constructive dialogue. Good luck
                2. +1
                  7 November 2018 12: 49
                  Quote: Former Russian
                  I’m trying to explain to you that you won’t change this either, the convict is not afraid of either Boer or Shizo, or even less so with the administration, and your wet dreams of redistributing the existing order in the ITK will remain wet dreams!

                  ITC has long been gone. But after the schizo, little rebels remain.
                  1. -1
                    7 November 2018 13: 10
                    Quote: dr.star75
                    But after the schizo, little rebels remain.

                    Are you from personal experience or so? Well, those who accidentally knocked out of ignorance are screened out, and those who know that the majority are not afraid and remain in the cage so to speak!)
                    1. +1
                      7 November 2018 13: 47
                      Quote: Former Russian
                      who are aware that the majority are not afraid and remain in the cage so to speak!)

                      Those go to EPCT! hi Are you from personal experience? or how?
    5. +1
      7 November 2018 11: 36
      Quote: BAI
      Although skewers and open fire on the zone?

      You know there is such a place on the zone - it is called "promka" (this is where they work lol )! So, there is a skewer - this is the most harmless thing that is, and there they produce prisoners in addition to products that they must still be a bunch of all kinds of jokes - the so-called consumer goods! So this is not only backgammon, paintings, icons, rosaries, but also knives, sabers, swords, axes, finks and of course skewers! And open fire was in the barbecue, and it’s not known at all, maybe the coals were simply without fire, and the controllers will come to the haze to eat the skewers and all the rules are lads!))) You’re like a little straight, what do you think there like in the movies show or how the Count of Monte Cristo sat?)))) You are naive uncles !!!
    6. 0
      7 November 2018 14: 01
      Quote: BAI
      The Federal Penitentiary Service said that of the violations - only a mobile phone. Everything else is possible. Although skewers and open fire on the zone

      At the duel in passing did not cause anyone?
  15. -2
    7 November 2018 09: 12
    In my opinion, to reform anything here is useless. I believe that it is necessary to completely dismiss the leading personnel of law enforcement agencies at the level of minister-chief, chief-chief-chief of department, and replace them with civilians (university professors, lawyers, retired judges), elected by the population for a term of not more than five years. Pay with dignity. But also to ask. Over each boss, put a public council, which is obliged to check all incoming, even anonymous, information and verify it, and to confirm the facts of abuse, to dismiss or apply for dismissal before the higher management. The personnel of security, escort and supervising units should be hired by outsourcing, in case of the slightest violations - terminate the contract. Only radical reforms can defeat this system. A simple change of one boss to another will not help.
    1. +1
      7 November 2018 10: 01
      Nonsense ... where will you find so much money? And if there is some advice over each boss ... there will be a bureaucracy of kapets, but there will be no changes .. still offer private prisons ... and what is outsourcing ... look at this creation Serdyukov for the army ...
      1. -2
        7 November 2018 10: 22
        Money for what, for salaries? So they are paid now. And the former bosses will leave as deputies, to subordinate posts. And there are public councils in the Ministry of Internal Affairs now, only they are toothless and consist of former police officers. No money is needed for tips, they work for free.
        1. +1
          7 November 2018 10: 23
          What naive person are you ..... Do you yourself know the FSIN system or the same Ministry of Internal Affairs from the inside?
          1. -1
            7 November 2018 11: 44
            I know from the inside. Therefore, I think as I wrote.
            1. 0
              7 November 2018 15: 47
              And in what position, if not secret?
        2. -4
          7 November 2018 10: 24
          And at the expense of outsourcing is also not rubbish. If private firms will protect the convicts, then there will be more patronage. The private trader does not get sick. And the owner of the contract will not want to lose.
          1. +5
            7 November 2018 10: 31
            I beg you ... a lot of POPs guarded the country ... shchaz .... military weapons to them, machine guns ... well, well ...
            1. -1
              7 November 2018 11: 47
              What for? But can’t you transfer the former reduced employees of the SIZO and IK to these private security agencies? With subordination not to the head of the colony, who in case of what would cover up (so as not to take the dirty linen out), but to the director of a private company, who would rather drive out one idiot than lose his license and contract.
              1. 0
                7 November 2018 15: 48
                Who will chop the money?
          2. +4
            7 November 2018 11: 49
            Quote: Rimlianin
            Do not spoil the private trader

            Your point of view is childish! Yes, the prisoners themselves will be eaten by convicts themselves))), the private owners will quickly find families, relatives and they will become so accommodating, and they will carry to the zone what they wore in front of them! You will not understand this system until you plunge into it, but it is better not to, it will be difficult for you with your convictions!)
            1. -2
              7 November 2018 12: 22
              You write nonsense. In the correctional institution, where the schedule is strictly followed, and the staff does not greet, there is no torture, no convicts will threaten employees.
              1. +1
                7 November 2018 12: 24
                But they are not being threatened, they are offered!)) Where have you seen such institutions in the world?
            2. 0
              7 November 2018 13: 20
              Quote: Former Russian
              Your point of view is childish! Yes, the prisoners themselves will be eaten by convicts themselves))), the private owners will quickly find families, relatives and they will become so accommodating, and they will carry to the zone what they wore in front of them!

              Your only post where I agree with you. But not more hi
      2. -1
        7 November 2018 12: 25
        For all that this comrade has done, positive changes have begun under him. Because radical reforms always need a man from the outside, a Varangian.
    2. 0
      7 November 2018 10: 23
      Among teachers, lawyers and judges, corrupt officials and mafiosi are no less, and maybe more. Alas. About the public council. Well, some local analogue of hoes and sits in this council?
      An analogue of outsourcing in security and escort structures is a complete set of homeless people, migrant workers and conscripts. There was a similar story. Very sad.
      But in general, I agree with you. Start from the top and clean down hi
      1. -1
        7 November 2018 11: 56
        Quote: Wilderness
        Among teachers, lawyers and judges, corrupt officials and mafiosi are no less, and maybe more.

        Maybe. Although I do not have such statistics. Maybe you are better informed, know the numbers? And it’s not even a matter of who is more corrupt. Now the system is structured like this: higher-ranking bosses appoint subordinates, often on the basis of personal loyalty. And in the event of any incidents, they cover up their subordinates, so as not to fly out themselves. Therefore, the surety system collapsed. If the lower and higher chiefs are elected by the population, they will not come from the security forces, but purely civilians, it would be pointless, and even dangerous, to cover each other with them. Thus, the existing system, operating on the principle of "hand washes," will be broken. And so that law enforcement agencies do not lose professionals in their field, former worthy leaders can be appointed as assistants, advisers, deputies, heads of services.
        1. 0
          7 November 2018 12: 20
          No numbers, all by observation. We don't have so many lawyers, so there is only one imitation. Therefore, the "new" laws often do not work. Good lawyers are those who have "access to the body" of the judge concerned (figuratively, of course), in fact, intermediaries in the transfer of money. All these, of course, are my observations in the provinces.
          As far as civilian bosses are concerned, honestly, only FOR. Their work is completely organizational, requiring no special knowledge. Even the Minister of Defense does not move troops, does not "lead" - he is a personnel officer, organizer, administrator, etc.
          1. -2
            7 November 2018 15: 24
            Quote: Wilderness
            We do not have so many lawyers, so there is only one imitation.

            Are you sure? Do you know how many retired judges, retired prosecutors and in good health from the age of 50-60 are in the country? These people are well aware of the law and have tremendous experience, and are not connected with the power system. Why not attract them, at least at first?
            Quote: Wilderness
            Good lawyers are those who have "access to the body" of the judge concerned (figuratively, of course), in fact, intermediaries in the transfer of money. All these, of course, are my observations in the provinces.

            I'm wondering what kind of province and what exactly you observed. I have been working in the field of law for 15 years and have never met such a situation. Moreover, I work in the judicial system itself, I will not say in what position. The family has its black sheep, of course, but the judges are now getting decent money and a pension, so that they can lose it all at once. Although I heard about lawyers who, in order to increase their fees, also ask for money for the judge, who must "be sure to bring it in for the success of the case." Maybe such rumors are coming from there.
            1. +1
              7 November 2018 15: 55
              I did not want to cast a shadow on the contingent you listed at all. But. Almost 20 years of work in the convoy convinced me that good lawyers work not in the courtroom, but outside it (by unofficial methods). The best lawyers (whom I met) - usually former judges who have maintained ties with colleagues, take expensive, are always silent in court (during interrogation of witnesses and in the debates of the parties, too), can punish a lower sentence or even drop the charge (which is nonsense for the province )
              About the lawyers. I meant that law (theory) and law enforcement (practice) are often confused. Those who are writing laws now are pure theorists (at least regarding their cases), therefore, we often have imitation laws (like the law on smoking in common places, for example)
              1. -1
                7 November 2018 16: 50
                A retired former judge cannot be a lawyer, this is prohibited by law. He can only engage in teaching, scientific and creative activities. And I know good lawyers. Good in the sense of not methods, but achieving goals. These are literate proceduralists who break up charges on procedural violations, looking for contradictions in the version built by the investigation and the traces of the crime fixed by it. But in the debate, they are not silent, they are actively asking questions to witnesses, they are bombarding the court with petitions. I envy such white envy. These are great lawyers, "ear and eye". I have never seen any of the "contract lawyers" described by you.
  16. +3
    7 November 2018 09: 14
    Well, what do you want? Capitalism in all its glory. Now the chiefs of the colonies are required to earn money from their own production. So they earn as they can. And all this is official. in each colony there are shops and canteens. They cook including and kebabs. Convicts pay from their personal accounts. They are replenished in 2 ways: this is s.p. convicted or coming from outside. Everyone is happy!
  17. +11
    7 November 2018 09: 21
    And if he paid even more money, then the head of the colony would have also given him a massage ...
  18. +4
    7 November 2018 09: 24
    The FSIN seems to have completely lost its edge.
  19. +5
    7 November 2018 09: 26
    And why be surprised now that young people are turning into anarchists and the FSB is blowing up? With such total injustice in society, any normal person clenches his fists, and abnormal or immature grab bombs and weapons. The cost of the yachts of our oligarchs is higher than the cost of the Navy, pension reform is being carried out, and the number of dollar billionaires in Russia has grown one and a half times. How do you understand this? The mass killer in the zone of strict regime of crabs eats, is it justice? There are a lot of signs that people are already furious. Our rulers play with fire.
  20. +4
    7 November 2018 09: 38
    Something about the holiday, VO does not write. Neither about the old, nor about the new ....
    1. 0
      7 November 2018 10: 49
      In the morning they wrote
  21. +1
    7 November 2018 09: 51
    Which country, such a punishment and its serving !!!
  22. +2
    7 November 2018 09: 54
    The sanatorium for killers ... reached the pen ... although some time ago something similar happened in Butyrka and Crosses
  23. 0
    7 November 2018 09: 59
    Photo of 2015, and he died in 2014 - miracles? "Tsapok himself was sentenced to life, but died of illness on the night of July 7, 2014 in a pre-trial detention center, where he was awaiting a complaint against the verdict."
    1. +1
      7 November 2018 10: 22
      In the photo, another person, a member of the Tsepovyaz gang, and the leader of Tsapok, carefully read
    2. -1
      7 November 2018 10: 25
      This is not a hoe, but his accomplice.
    3. +1
      7 November 2018 10: 37
      Quote: symki7
      Photo of 2015, and he died (Tsapok) in 2014 - miracles?

      no miracles, if you read the article more closely ...
      ... photos from a strict regime colony, where Vyacheslav, convicted in the so-called Kushchev case, is captured Tsepovyaz
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  24. +2
    7 November 2018 10: 33
    I remember in the 90s there was the film "Shtemp" (stamp (blat.) - bought by a police officer), and so there was an episode where a "thief in law" said to the purchased police regiment: "Don't be afraid, we are in the" zone "We will build a separate house, you will drink cognac, eat well, they will bring the girl. Just keep quiet, otherwise ... you know yourself." On Wednesday. Asia, some bai, I don't remember the name of the "cotton case" convicted, in the "zone" built a separate bunker. He received the "owner" by appointment until the zone was disbanded, but then the USSR collapsed and he (the swindler) was lucky again, he was released, as they say, "with a clear conscience." So, what else Solomon said: "There is nothing new under the moon. Everything was and everything will be."
  25. -4
    7 November 2018 10: 46
    We do not have the Middle Ages now - torture by hunger is prohibited. Do you think that the offender should sit in a stone bag, in shackles and eat only bread and water?
    No law prohibits food transfers, no law prohibits periodic visits with wives. These photos are most likely taken during a date, so everything is in full compliance with the law. In the photo there is no barbecue preparation process, only skewers can be considered a violation of the regime.
    And yet, do not forget the old Russian wisdom - they don’t renounce from the bag and from the prison.
    There are frauds and miscarriages of justice, and a cage, even a golden one is still a cage, do not envy, it is better to have the notorious macaroni at large than a barbecue in the zone.
    1. +3
      7 November 2018 12: 49
      I believe that the offender involved in such a crime should have long been with a bullet in his head.
  26. +1
    7 November 2018 10: 49
    Return to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, leave the FSIN in cells.
  27. +1
    7 November 2018 10: 52
    EVIL is not that in pre-trial detention centers and prisons, those under investigation and criminals have round-the-clock access to the Internet, etc. The evil is that the employees of the FSIN everywhere sell any services to prisoners. This is a financial state fiscal pyramid, and therefore it will live forever.
  28. +3
    7 November 2018 11: 42
    But why is he worse than Serdyukov Vasilyeva or Ulyukaev. He even sits at least some sort of appearance. I doubt that Ulyukaev’s conditions are worse. In Soviet times, all of them would simply be put to the wall and the question itself would have disappeared.
  29. +6
    7 November 2018 12: 06
    The perfect picture of Putin's Russia. The killer under the roof of the prosecutor general in the zone lives and eats better than most ordinary Russians at large
  30. +2
    7 November 2018 12: 09
    Wow convicts settled down. Maybe they still have champagne and strippers to file?

    Before the end of the term, feed a fishhead balandana. And in a shizo to the maximum.
    1. +1
      7 November 2018 13: 22
      ShIZo is a prison in prison. there the mode is stricter than in IR!
  31. +3
    7 November 2018 12: 46
    Someone like him must rot in an unmarked grave. And I don't care that Russia will not be able to claim the right to be considered a "civilized", "European" state using the death penalty. About the fact that it is better to let ten guilty be acquitted than to shoot one innocent. And also that the main thing is the inevitability of punishment, and not its cruelty. And that a long term is a greater punishment than a quick death. I see how he suffers. From torment as much fat drips from the nape of the neck. It suffers as much as most people at large cannot afford to live. Well, I'm not a sadist, I don't want someone to suffer. I want to finish off the bastard and the world breathed a sigh of relief.
  32. +2
    7 November 2018 12: 48
    Quote: Minus
    What mode is ITU ??? He is not here! In online games, a huge number of convicts are sitting. Around the clock! Social networks, forums!

    Yeah, in games ... 99% of divorces for grandmothers are made from there. There you found a "dog" for a fee, and the sale of everything and everyone with an advance payment, and "Mom, I knocked a man down" ....
    One such pepper, serving, by the way, for the murder, was engaged in such a divorce, and, according to him, earned 0,8-1,0 million rubles. Per day!
    By the way, our government needs to take note of these figures, because if Rosstat takes these revenues into account, our GDP will not only double easily, but also triple - there will be something for the Guarantor to puff happily so that he can proudly voice it somewhere in India.
  33. +1
    7 November 2018 12: 52
    I have only one question. Is it really impossible to restore order in at least one authority, ministry, etc. during the 18 years of the command of the GDP team? Whatever the construction, then cuts. Whatever the authority, loafers and soulless and useless officials. Well, GDP itself is not disgusted that there is not a single real achievement? Everything is just like a tyap blunder. The officials themselves are so cut off from this style that the state does not need children anymore, etc., as it has now become fashionable to consider.
    1. +2
      7 November 2018 15: 11
      Well, you made me laugh)) I will answer with the words from the famous film: "Who will put him in prison. He's a monument." Think yourself how a corrupt official can fight corruption))) Here's an example for you: When an ordinary employee commits a resonant crime, his boss and a bunch of people involved are kicked out not involved. Immediately the question of which of the members of the government was expelled after the commission of crimes by Serdyukov (he destroyed the army), Khoroshavin (the governor of Sakhalin appointed by Putin) and a bunch of examples can be written. In another country, the president would have resigned and the government would have resigned with him. But not with us)) our tops are holier than the Pope. In our country, in general, any event goes through 5 stages:
      1. The hype
      2. Confusion.
      3. Search for the culprits.
      4. The punishment of the innocent.
      5. Rewarding the uninvolved
    2. +1
      7 November 2018 17: 16
      Andropov put things in order for a year.
      1. 0
        8 November 2018 15: 58
        Quote: Alex Justice
        Andropov put things in order for a year.

        Yes Yes. And he prepared a worthy shift - a young, also non-drinker, competent in agriculture.
        Or is it not Andropov, in your opinion, Gorbachev pulled upstairs?
  34. +2
    7 November 2018 13: 06
    What is there in common between this criminal with kebabs and crabs in a strict regime zone and two knots-officials with their "macaroshkas" and "the state owes nothing", don't you think?
  35. +3
    7 November 2018 14: 08
    This is the Krasnodar Territory, there is its own power.
    Lawlessness is complete and the mafia is from top to bottom.
    And at the same time, it is not the Caucasians who are outrageous, but ours, the Slavs.
    Remember the beating of a military engineer?
    So this is what surfaced ....
  36. 0
    7 November 2018 14: 13
    Interestingly, "Black" or "Red" zone, where is the given figure?
    1. 0
      7 November 2018 14: 40
      Somewhere in a colony in the Amur region.
      As far as I know, the zones "turn red", but this does not mean that this character will live according to the order. He spends crazy money on these benefits.
      1. 0
        7 November 2018 15: 38
        This is called "repainting" the zone, so the process can go from black to red, or vice versa
  37. +5
    7 November 2018 14: 59
    I read that you write here. He smiled straight. Approximately 90% of commentators generally have no idea what is happening in the zones or what is happening in the FSIN system itself. By the way, I am an active employee by the way of the Amur region where it was filmed. But the truth is not this colony. It is impossible to describe everything briefly. But one thing I’ll say now, the convict can quite legally use a huge number of privileges which were not there before. The photo of course shows what should not be in my system. But these are the realities that have a place to be, and by the way, almost throughout the country. Now employees have been placed in such conditions that he is to blame for everything. Even in what I have not had time to commit. Here is an example of instructions for using force. If an employee has not proved that he is not guilty, then he is guilty. I quote the instruction approximately: When committing an attack on an employee, the employee must repeatedly warn the attacker of the unlawfulness of his actions. At the same time, give him enough time to comprehend the unlawfulness of his actions after that, call the duty shift staff and be sure to record everything on the DVR. At the same time, only duty shifts have radio stations and video recorders. So try someone to do all this before you hit your head. And if you use force and do not write to the registrar, then you are to blame. I want to write a lot more but I won’t. So I’ll tell you, you need to get rid of corrupt officials and other evil spirits in the system. But in order to get rid it is necessary to change the entire system of government of the country, and not just the system. Otherwise, some will take the place of some corrupt officials. While the country's governance system is built on corruption, it will be so in any system !!! By the way, I heard about these pictures for the first time here. We have complete silence about this. And the last in our colony, too, the convicted person can be fried kebab according to his written application and naturally if he can pay for it. This is absolutely legal.
    1. +1
      7 November 2018 17: 00
      who would doubt that this could be under our power, there are so many thieves who have stolen so much dough. There’s nothing to be surprised at ...
  38. +4
    7 November 2018 15: 32
    Return the death penalty and reduce the number of convicts at times, but how else.
    1. +5
      7 November 2018 16: 13
      The death penalty for maniacs, sadists, ghouls and pedophiles and more. The rest to do hard work so that they could only dream of such a luxury.
      1. -1
        7 November 2018 21: 58
        Especially for you I want to clarify about the death penalty. Personally, I am a supporter of the adequacy of punishment. But! Knowing from my own experience how our law enforcement and judicial system works, I will say that I am against the death penalty, although I can understand your statement. So) Everyone knows the famous maniac Chikotilo but not everyone knows that before he was caught for his crimes, 3 innocent people were shot. Do not forget one killed person is no longer resurrected. So while you do not know how to return life, do not rush to condemn to death. But in general, I agree that the death penalty is needed but not in the current realities
        1. +4
          8 November 2018 09: 06
          There is one character, Spesivtsev his last name. Killer and cannibal, he can go free. His mother, who brought to him children whom he mocked, and then ate them, was already at large.

          And what do you think deserve these ghouls of death?
  39. +2
    7 November 2018 16: 57
    what is there to be surprised ??? it’s a pity they didn’t shoot ... scum, Krasnodar is still slurping their inheritance, one tractor march worth what ..
  40. +2
    7 November 2018 19: 25
    And why will they be surprised, I myself am the north Where there are enough zones and even in abundance. So that's what used to be that now the leadership of most of the zones is people of Dagestan and, in general, "from there." To say that this is a breeding ground for corruption is to say nothing. I personally know the case in 2004, when one convict was given a machine gun for moose hunting, and he went home on vacation. And the ideal was right ... The top of that zone is all Dagestan. They have hunting lodges in the taiga the size of palaces that no one knows about at all ... And then crabs ... I know this from my best friend Sasha, who supplied them with hunting equipment at that time. GOOD LUCK TO HIM, SELLING BUSINESS AND LEAVING IN SUPPORT OF DONBAS.
  41. 0
    8 November 2018 08: 43
    Well, everything ... burned raspberries ...
    At the next photo shoot, the Boss will be sitting next to the barbecue ...
  42. -3
    8 November 2018 09: 34
    Dear person - he is also a respected person in the zone.
    Or does the author think that they feed everyone with kebabs, like Gaidai's in "Partner"?
    Thunders on the 282nd - finds out.
    1. 0
      8 November 2018 10: 16
      And by whom, and most importantly - for what this particular person is "respected"?
      1. 0
        8 November 2018 13: 27
        Quote: Tarasios
        And by whom, and most importantly - for what this particular person is "respected"?

        We respect for the fact that he got up, that the real dude, and not the sucker, lived according to the concepts and did real things. And we respect not only the prisoners, but also the prison authorities.
        Now, if Navalny got there, they would not respect him, and no grandmothers would help.
  43. +1
    8 November 2018 10: 15
    And the meaning of such a criminal to contain 20 years? Is he going to be re-educated and become a "useful member of society" ??? Well, I understand, minor offense, doubts about the evidence of the guilt of some of the convicts. But what is the point of keeping such typical criminals-murderers at the state expense ??? What would such a mug eat crabs with caviar on camera and generate thug romance and temptations for the younger generation? Or are the conditions of his detention so cruel that the young bully, in fear, will swear to get involved with criminals?
    Shoot nafig. Examples of the consequences of "democracy" on the Western model - in all the news for many years, only the harm from such "philanthropy".
  44. 0
    8 November 2018 12: 57
    Why be surprised, nothing personal, an ordinary bureaucratic business, because so everywhere, look around ...
  45. -1
    8 November 2018 14: 06
    And Tsiplak’s wife was returned part of the money, property.

    So what will you do to these power friends?

    Here the players have been battered recently, because especially no one to intercede ..

    And about those who blocked the MKAD, so that the singer would dance a little, and they would not remember. Who blocked, whose cars, where, who rented ..... - this is an example of a good roof .... and what will you do?
  46. 0
    8 November 2018 15: 14
    It is possible that we are talking about a single case in the correctional system, but this case is too resonant.


    This is not even about the case, but about the system. It's no secret that if you pay, then you will sit in the zone well, much better than a regular convict.

    Moreover, these kebabs in the photo, crab meat and so on. this is baby talk (which, with the exception of the phone, can be quite legal and legal), as a rule, everything is much cooler. And about really outstanding cases at one time removed the transfer of the Karaulov. I recommend to see

    At the center of the program are several stories about “beautiful” life in prison. It turns out prisoners for a certain amount may not live in a cell, but in a cottage near the prison. At the same time, according to the documents, bandits and killers are listed in the camp. According to one of the detained businessmen, the money was taken by Colonel Davydov, the former head of the Federal Penitentiary Service in Moscow and the Moscow Region. A bribe of several million dollars allowed bandits to move freely around the country, undergo customs control in the capital, and even fly abroad.


  47. +1
    8 November 2018 17: 54
    Well, that's the verdict to the system. All.
  48. +1
    8 November 2018 19: 37
    It was quick for the killers. Because there was a death penalty. Such a prisoner, like this one, would already rot in the grave with the number, and would not eat crabs. And there would be nothing to heat up the rotten heads of the zone. Return the death penalty!
  49. 0
    8 November 2018 22: 15
    How did you manage to get rid of this monster from the pancreas ?! The loot was enough for both the trial and the camp administration.
  50. 0
    9 November 2018 08: 31
    The FSIN, it’s not necessary to comment, but in order to prevent such obvious revealing of corruption in its ranks, a global cleaning of the system is needed!