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Leonid Ivashov: “It is quite possible that Syria will be treated in the same way as Yugoslavia”

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Leonid Ivashov: “It is quite possible that Syria will be treated in the same way as Yugoslavia”The situation in Syria is only a separate link in a long chain of actions aimed at destabilizing the situation in the Greater Middle East.

Under Obama, the Americans made a shift in their geopolitical stratagems

During the presidency of Barack Obama, the Americans changed their geopolitical stratagems. His Republican predecessor, George W. Bush, adhered to the “fourth Rome” foreign policy concept, when military contingents were introduced into recalcitrant countries to control the situation in them. However, the Democrats led by Obama came to the conclusion that the United States has neither the strength nor the means to contain large contingents. And then they served on the table a “geopolitical dish” prepared by Zbigniew Brzezinski, which envisions creating a situation of chaos and a bet on enhancing the role of Islamic radical groups. The confrontation within each Muslim country between radical Islamists and moderate and even more so secular authorities will always create tension and hamper the development of these countries. So, there will always be a need for "help" from the United States in the form of a credit noose.

Such states are easy to manage. In a situation of chaos and permanent confrontation within these countries, neither Russia nor China will be able to establish complete control here. That is, Americans will always have the opportunity to fish in troubled waters. In Syria, they also tried to implement the Libyan scenario, but Russia and China did not allow the UN Security Council to adopt a resolution that the Americans could interpret in such a way as to bring in their troops. Then there was an adjustment plans for this operation. The United States staged a severe economic blockade for Syria, as well as political isolation. Finally, mercenaries were launched from outside to carry out powerful terrorist acts.

It is difficult to say whether Moscow will “buckle” or not.

This was done on the assumption that Bashar Asad would not withstand the pressure and would resign himself, or it was assumed that Syria would explode from the inside, for which powerful resonant terrorist attacks are being organized in the country, which are the responsibility of the current leadership to begin external intervention. As it was at one time in Yugoslavia, when the West inspired genocide against the Albanians, which allegedly took place in the Kosovo village of Rachik. And after the collapse of Yugoslavia, an independent international commission proved that there was nothing, and the corpses were brought to the village almost from all of Kosovo. But the deal has already been done. It is possible that Syria will do the same. If, of course, they have time, because America itself is already “bursting at the seams”.

As for the position of Moscow, it is still difficult for me to say whether it will “buckle” or not. It all depends on what kind of compromising and leverage the American side has with regard to our leadership. Certainly, both abound. This, too, is in line with US stratagems - under the guise of promoting democracy, bring certain political forces and personalities to power, enable them to steal and commit unlawful actions against their people. And then at the right time to invite the right person to an audience and hint that the question of investigating his corrupt activities may be raised. Say, "we know in which banks you hide your billions, so choose: either you weaken your country's position on Syria and Iran, or now get an international scandal, expose, etc.".
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  1. Drugar
    Drugar 31 May 2012 12: 12
    +31
    As for the position of Moscow, it’s hard for me to say whether it will “bend” or not. It all depends on what compromising material and what leverage the American side has with regard to our leadership.

    Oil prices have already crawled down, the ruble is falling rapidly. I wonder if Ivashov is referring to these "levers of pressure".
    1. Slayer
      Slayer 31 May 2012 12: 16
      +6
      Quote: Drugar
      Oil prices have already crawled down, the ruble is falling rapidly. I wonder if Ivashov is referring to these "levers of pressure".

      Likely
      1. David Lynch
        David Lynch 31 May 2012 23: 47
        -1
        Al-Massacre Investigation Commission: Locals, loyal authorities become victims of criminals
        At a press conference, the head of the Al-General Jamal Kassem Suleiman massacre investigation commission announced preliminary results of the commission’s work, which showed that the majority of the victims of the massacre were local residents who refused to engage in subversive activities, carry weapons and participate in anti-government demonstrations.

        Preliminary results of the investigation were based on testimonies of witnesses who claimed that between 600 and 800 terrorists participated in the massacre, including members of gangs, both from their area and from other places. According to the testimony, law enforcement officers did not enter the village where the massacre occurred, either before or after.

        All the dead were killed by shots at close range or with cold weapons, and not as a result of shelling, and the bodies shown in the pictures by some television channels belonged to militants who died in clashes with the police.

        The purpose of the action, according to the head of the commission, was to destroy the government and level the influence of the state in this territory.

        The general said that there are 5 security force posts in Al. Terrorists who arrived there from other places - Ar-Rastan, As-Saan, Burj-Kai, As-Samalin, and others - after Friday prayers with the support of local militants simultaneously attacked the villagers and members of the security forces.

        During the attack, a heavy gun was used: 6 mortars, machine guns, armor-piercing shells. The main attacks were in 2 points: a checkpoint at the entrance to the village of Talda and Chasov Square.

        Suleiman emphasized that Al-Khulya is far from the security posts that were attacked. During the shootout, employees could not leave their places of deployment, as they were engaged in self-defense.

        The pictures shown by satellite TV channels, as well as the absence of damage to buildings and the nature of injuries on the bodies of the victims prove that their death did not come as a result of shelling, but from the use of firearms and cold steel.

        Preliminary results confirm that 5 mortars were installed in the village of Taldu and beyond, in case the security forces try to enter the village.

        The majority of the victims of violence were children, which proves that the security forces and soldiers are not involved in the crime, but, on the contrary, serves the interests of armed groups seeking to attract external intervention in the ATS.

        The testimonies of witnesses, whose names were not disclosed because of their safety, prove that all the victims are civilians who refused to cooperate with armed bandits, and the purpose of the massacre was revenge on the relatives of the deputy to the People’s Council of the SAR Abdel-Nata Mushlib.

        The massacre perpetrated by the terrorists, timed to coincide with the arrival of Kofi Annan, is part of a plan that aims to present the world community with a picture of the outbreak of civil war in Syria. However, this plan failed, because the Syrian authorities provide all kinds of assistance to the peacekeeping initiative, the head of the commission said.

        The investigation, according to Jamal Kassem Suleiman, is ongoing and the commission informed the Foreign Ministry of the SAR about all its details, taking into account the issue of the safety of witnesses.

        For his part, Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad MacDesi said that the final results of the investigation will be presented to the international community.

        He added that the Syrian side itself demanded that General Mouda visit the crime scene.

        MacDesy noted that certain circles by committing various crimes seek to incite hatred in Syrian society, but they will not succeed. Strange, he said, is the coincidence of Kofi Annan’s visit to Syria and the expulsion of Syrian ambassadors by Washington and Western countries.

        Unfortunately, he added, the UN Secretary-General has moved from the role of a peacemaker to the role of a predictor of the possibility of a civil war.

        MacDesi said that there is a constant connection and exchange of information between the Syrian authorities and observers, and Syria is doing everything in its power to implement the peace plan, however, the regional parties and the opposition do not want to fulfill their obligations with respect to the Kofi Annan plan.
        http://sana.sy/rus/325/2012/05/31/422805.htm
    2. YARY
      YARY 31 May 2012 12: 28
      +24
      And not only these! There, with the EBN, all the same are found, and the compres on them a car and a small cart!
      Syria is the last LAST test for Russia!
      angry
      1. Cadet787
        Cadet787 31 May 2012 15: 48
        +1
        Good day, Andrey. Let's discuss such a question, What will Russia do in case of direct intervention in Syria ???????? Very interested in the opinion of our fellow citizens.
        1. YARY
          YARY 31 May 2012 16: 12
          +2
          I am not a diviner. I can (and said) to say what should be done. Well, what was done in my time, and so in general terms, the public knows.
          Where the topic is on "However", I expressed my opinion.
        2. David Lynch
          David Lynch 31 May 2012 16: 26
          +4
          Western newspapers on Tuesday are indignant at the Russian position in Syria, where on the night of May 26, as a result of a massive shelling of the city of Hula, over a hundred people were killed, including more than 30 children, and another 300 residents were injured. Moscow continues to defend the regime of Bashar al-Assad, which has become "an icon of the most unbridled tyranny," and thus enables him to continue to act with impunity. The tone of the Russian leadership's statements does not give hope for a consensus in the foreseeable future and adds reason to talk about a new cold war between Russia and the United States. A review of foreign newspapers is presented by InoPressa.
          Politics against Syria is the first real exam for Russian President Vladimir Putin in his new term in office, writes The Times in an editorial. You can pass this exam only by recognizing that supporting the Syrian regime is a moral bankruptcy, and a cardinal change in course.
          Russia is more than any other country capable of stopping the bloodshed in Syria, The Globe and Mail believes, urging it to "fulfill its duty." However, if Moscow is pursuing a line that differs from its public attempts to whitewash the Assad regime, it is doing so behind closed doors, The Independent believes.
          In public, Russia has taken a defensive position and is simultaneously attacking Western countries, accusing them of hoping to take advantage of the Syrian crisis to remove the leadership in Damascus, The Financial Times reports. The newspaper notes that although Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov admitted that the Syrian government forces were involved in the violence, he also blamed the Syrian opposition.
          Lavrov reiterated on Tuesday that Moscow is concerned about attempts to use the tragic events in Hula to justify the need for external intervention in the situation in that country. "Some countries, as if there were no instructions from the UN Security Council to investigate, are trying to put pressure on the Security Council and, apparently, Annan's plan is hindering them," Interfax quotes him.
          "If analyzed objectively, Lavrov's insinuations are laughable," comments The Globe and Mail. According to the observer, it is impossible to imagine that the opposition would become allies of the government in the destruction of their fellow Sunnis. "It is more likely that the stories of the surviving villagers told to the UN observers are true: pro-government militants acted in conjunction with government forces," the article says.
          How Russia will behave and what will happen to Syria
          Fabrice Balanche, head of the Mediterranean and Middle East Study Group, says in Le Nouvel Observateur, "Most likely, it was arranged by some supporters of the regime of formation, who got away with everything." There is no doubt intercommunal tensions at the heart of the Saturday massacre. On the eve of each UN meeting, the rebels go on the offensive, trying to show that they exist and provoke repression. "
          The expert is convinced that Russia will not put pressure on Assad. "They will play for time, demand to provide them with full information. They have already launched a counterattack, accusing the countries that support the rebels of supplying weapons to the resistance forces," he stressed.
          In addition, Russia has given the Assad regime new economic strength by recently mentioning the possibility of including Syria in a free trade zone. The head of the Syrian state will thus be able to calm down his bourgeoisie: "Look, we do not need either Europe or the United States." The bourgeoisie would prefer an agreement with Russia that would remind it of the prosperity of the 1980s, "Balanche concludes.
          In his opinion, there are three options for the development of events. First: NATO invasion without UN authorization; this option is unlikely, since after Iraq and Afghanistan no one wants to get involved in a risk of a protracted conflict. Second: a Yemeni-style solution - a coordinated transfer of political power; this option is also not credible, as Russia will oppose. The third hypothesis seems to be the most likely Balancing: the regime remains and completely regains control of the situation until the end of the year.
          "No feelings" between Putin and Obama
          Washington is in favor of the "Yemeni option": it proposes to replace Bashar al-Assad with his vice-president Farouk Sharaa, Italian Il Giornale reports. This option will be discussed at the first bilateral meeting of the US and Russian Presidents Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin at the June G20 summit in Mexico.
          But, as the newspaper makes it clear, there is little hope for agreement between the two leaders on the Syrian issue, including due to the lack of "feelings" between Obama and Putin. Vladimir Putin is not Dmitry Medvedev, who agreed to the resolution that led to the elimination of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. Putin does not intend to repeat such mistakes, the author of the article writes.
          The complicated relationship between Obama and Putin is just one dimension of the new Cold War, the report says. The disagreements between the two leaders extend to many issues, with Syria only a "first frontier" as it provides Russia with an opportunity to exert influence over the complex Middle East knot.
          Moscow expects not only to weaken Washington's influence in the region, but also to act as a counterbalance to the growing strength of Tehran - the real "master" of the Assad clan, the newspaper explains. The overthrow of Bashar al-Assad, and Moscow is well aware of this, is tantamount to intensifying the civil war and increasing the danger of direct intervention from Iran.
          In addition, for the Kremlin, an alliance with Damascus means free access to a military base in Tartus - to the last harbor, which ensures the presence of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean. Finally, another reason for supporting Damascus lies in the economic benefits to Moscow. (NEWSru.com)

        3. nycsson
          nycsson 31 May 2012 17: 39
          +2
          Quote: Cadet787
          Good day, Andrey. Let's discuss such a question, What will Russia do in case of direct intervention in Syria ???????? Very interested in the opinion of our fellow citizens.

          I think nothing! We are too weak! And our leadership lacks the political will! We only make a look that snap back!
          1. SlavaS
            SlavaS 31 May 2012 21: 51
            +1
            I think nothing! We are too weak!
            , who knows Russia is not what it was in 2000.
          2. 31 May 2012 22: 45
            0
            Quote: nycsson
            I think nothing! We are too weak! And our leadership lacks the political will! We only make a look that snap back!
            Have you ever been to Mars for the last six months? Or is it more important for you to spit once again in our leadership than to objectively assess the situation?
            Our country now (and the last few months) withstands very strong pressure from the fascist System and pressure is taking place in many directions (now we have taken up the economy). Whether you like it or not, we are the only country (China would not have hinted at without us), which actually stopped the "democratic" skating rink of the dollar System for several months (in the 90s it was impossible to dream about it).
            Yes, we may have to retreat, the forces are too unequal, but at least we did what we could, then the word belongs to the sons of Syria, who must defend their right to life (and we and Iran will definitely help them with this).
            So don’t whine, alarmist ...
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 1 June 2012 10: 50
              +2
              Quote: kos
              Have you ever been to Mars for the last six months?

              No, I’m here and intently watching everything that happens!
              Quote: kos
              Or is it more important for you to spit once again in our leadership than to objectively assess the situation?

              And what to evaluate it, and so everything is clear! We bark like a pug at an elephant!
              Quote: kos
              Our country now (and the last few months) has withstood the very strong pressure of the fascist System and pressure is going on in many directions (they have now taken up the economy).

              I completely agree with you! And who is to blame? Who has interfered with our power all these years to create jobs, build factories, warships and other weapons systems ?! So no, we pulled pipes in all directions! That is why I do not like our power!
              Quote: kos
              Whether you like it or not, we are the only country (China would not have hinted at without us) that actually stopped the "democratic" skating rink of the dollar System for several months (in the 90s it was impossible to dream about it).

              I do not agree! We were not touched, because they hoped for our loyalty! And now the hopes have broken! And what's the point if we are completely dependent on imports and exports! You can climb across the shafts only when the back is strong!
              Quote: kos
              Yes, we may have to retreat, the forces are too unequal, but at least we did what we could, then the word belongs to the sons of Syria, who must defend their right to life (and we and Iran will definitely help them with this).

              Then you have a question! And until when will we retreat ??? And about Syria, you yourself are not funny ??? Yes, it will be crushed, as there is nothing to do!
              Quote: kos
              So don’t whine, alarmist ...

              Don’t tell me, I understand .......! I do not panic, but soberly and really look at things and reason who is to blame for the situation!
        4. 12Ural12
          12Ural12 31 May 2012 23: 43
          +1
          What I would do - I know, but what our rotten corrupt and thieving authorities will do is in question. This will be a test of her conscience.
        5. Born in USSR
          Born in USSR 1 June 2012 02: 00
          0
          in the first approximation - it seems like there are not so many opportunities, but much depends on the strength of Putin’s position (if we keep in mind that Iran will be next, and there we are in the palm of your hand) - options (without the most radical)
          1. Block the northern route for NATO, a transshipment point - all the more,
          2. Collapse all contacts with NATO,
          3. Resume military cooperation with Iran.
          one gets the feeling that in spite of the debugged media fooling machine, many countries have already sucked in from the obsessive dominance of the United States, and if we can defend Syria, then there is a chance to drag the countries of the conditional 3rd world onto ourselves and create our own center of power, question that we are strong enough and ready for such a decisive step.
          Quite radical options are the withdrawal from the strategic offensive arms treaty signed under Medvedev, the help of technology and specialists from both Syria and Iran, possibly North Korea, to urgently accept Syria to Odkb, Shos, and the Customs Union. I’m almost sure that the overgrown States with our very tough stance will retreat, but after that they will develop a strategic plan to strangle Russia a la the 90s, which you need to be prepared for! But if you don’t stop them now, then it will be very difficult to do it!
    3. Big lexey
      Big lexey 31 May 2012 12: 41
      +16
      The price of oil is only one of the levers of pressure on Russia.
      In addition to oil, there are also:
      1. The internal opposition, which received the command to bark loudly, without being embarrassed in ways and means.
      2. The corruption of senior officials. Families, exported capital, real estate - all in the west. And the king, as you know, is governed by the retinue.
      3. Highly professional, trained Western media .... and high professionalism should be understood as the ability to put any NEED information in the head of the layman. Russia cannot oppose anything to the information war!
      1. Cadet787
        Cadet787 31 May 2012 13: 22
        +6
        Alexei. Russia cannot oppose anything to the information war!

        Does she want to do this?
        1. valton
          valton 31 May 2012 16: 13
          +8
          I support "cadet787" one hundred percent! The Russian government and the media do not dare to engage in an information war against American lawlessness. The Russian elite “owes nothing to anyone,” as it follows from its interpretation of liberal ideology. Well, of course, except for the West, to whom she owes everything, simply because otherwise he will not give the money stored there.
          1. Neighbor
            Neighbor 31 May 2012 16: 29
            +10
            Today I watched the news - Hilary am it seems she spoke out - she says that the issue of military intervention in Syria - has already been 100% resolved. am
            Those. speaking Russian - they go there to their NATO marauders and murderers am - will send - to restore "order"! As in Libya. wassat
            Such are the cases. sad
            We live in interesting times - friends. Such chaos - what Amer creates - in the entire history of mankind has probably never been anywhere else.
            Fascists-have a rest in comparison with these ........! am
            What will happen next. 3 world with the use of nuclear weapons? belay sad Only in this way can you stop this all-consuming hydra - Amerov. Otherwise - they are so quietly - they will devour the whole world.
            Russia, over there, has been overlaid on all sides. Both outside and inside. am
            Come what may. War - so war - let us perish - but not a single Amer will remain either! am And this is - get hurt! wassat
            Do not judge strictly my statement - I am ill - the temperature is 38. I also went to work today - I don’t have to get sick at home! laughing
            Worker - drummer - Mlyn! wink
            1. mechanic33
              mechanic33 31 May 2012 17: 34
              +3
              Quote: Neighbor
              We live in interesting times - friends. There is probably no such chaos - what Amer creates - in the entire history of mankind.


              get well soon neighbor drinks and the Americans have never been friends to us, and never will be, that’s a fact .... well, a bad world or a good war ... Apparently we’ll have to make a good peace ourselves after a good quarrel with them ... But the rod for a break .... Revel in impunity ....
            2. 755962
              755962 31 May 2012 17: 46
              -2
              The United States and Europe cannot do anything without Russian help with Syria and Iran, the Western press complains. Suddenly, Obama's adviser reported backstage deals with Moscow.http://www.newsru.com/world/31may2012/orientalputin.html
            3. nycsson
              nycsson 31 May 2012 22: 43
              +3
              Quote: Neighbor
              Such are the cases.

              And what about your idol, will take it and give them Syria to be torn to pieces ???
              Quote: Neighbor
              We live in interesting times - friends.

              In a terrible time we live !!!
              Quote: Neighbor
              What will happen next.

              And then we will be pressed by economic methods !!! Who will use nuclear weapons? They still have to live here!
              Quote: Neighbor
              Russia, over there, has been overlaid on all sides. Both outside and inside.

              What words from your lips !!! I can’t believe my eyes !!! Neighbor, everything is fine with us, judging by your previous comments !!!
            4. Vanek
              Vanek 1 June 2012 06: 24
              +2
              Quote: Neighbor
              It’s the only way to stop this all-consuming hydra - Amerov


              Hydra has a very high ability to regenerate. When cut across into several parts, each part restores the “head” and “leg”, preserving the original polarity — the mouth and tentacles develop on the side that was closer to the oral end of the body, and the stem and sole on the aboral side of the fragment. The whole organism can be restored from individual small pieces of the body (less than 1/100 of the volume), from pieces of tentacles, as well as from a suspension of cells. Moreover, the regeneration process itself is not accompanied by increased cell divisions and is a typical example of morphallaxis.

              Hydra can regenerate from a suspension of cells obtained by maceration (for example, by rubbing the hydra through a mill gas). In experiments, it was shown that for the restoration of the head end, the formation of an aggregate of approximately 300 epithelial-muscle cells is sufficient. It is shown that the regeneration of a normal organism is possible from cells of one layer (only ectoderm or only endoderm).

              So hydra can be considered IN THEORY immortal being.
          2. 31 May 2012 22: 46
            -2
            Quote: valton
            The Russian government and the media do not dare to engage in an information war against American lawlessness.

            Do you at least read the statements of Lavrov and Churkin ...
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 1 June 2012 10: 59
              +1
              Quote: kos
              Do you at least read the statements of Lavrov and Churkin ...

              There is one very wise proverb or proverb !!! Pease .... Thou don’t toss the bags !!! Concrete actions need to be taken, not shake the air! They have long wanted to cheat on the norms of international law, so you won’t scare them with eloquence !!!! fool
              1. sleepy
                sleepy 2 June 2012 14: 57
                0
                Quote: kos
                Do you at least read the statements of Lavrov and Churkin ...

                Churkin - which one?
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 31 May 2012 22: 36
        +1
        Quote: BigLexey
        The price of oil is only one of the levers of pressure on Russia.
        In addition to oil, there are also:
        1. The internal opposition, which received the command to bark loudly, without being embarrassed in ways and means.
        2. The corruption of senior officials. Families, exported capital, real estate - all in the west. And the king, as you know, is governed by the retinue.
        3. Highly professional, trained Western media .... and high professionalism should be understood as the ability to put any NEED information in the head of the layman. Russia cannot oppose anything to the information war!

        I would give you pluses without stopping! But you have forgotten the issue of food safety! and if they stop importing kangaroo meat and buffalo meat to us, etc., what will become of us? And consumer goods !!! Actually, the question is not only about oil, because we are a raw material power: oil, gas, timber, steel, etc. all for export, due to this we live! And imagine that one fine moment all this will simply stop buying !!! Let's put our teeth on the shelf together !!! So they are not fools there, they hooked us on import and export needles, and soon there will be nothing to "expand" !!!
        And imagine what will happen when they gouge Syria and Iran !!! Yes, they will be practically monopolists on our planet for oil and gas !!! The price will fall, the ruble will collapse, which is now happening! We are sitting on their tight hook and I personally don’t know how to get off it !!!
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 31 May 2012 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: Drugar
      Oil prices have already crawled down, the ruble is falling rapidly. I wonder if Ivashov is referring to these "levers of pressure".

      Including these! And there are more than enough levers! Ivashov is right!
    5. storm
      storm 1 June 2012 00: 48
      +1
      It all depends on what kind of compromising material and what leverage the American side has with regard to our leadership, eh, you don’t have Stalin!
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 2 June 2012 15: 08
        0
        Quote: Storm

        "It all depends on what kind of compromising evidence and what levers of pressure the American side has in relation to our leadership, oh, Stalin is not on you!"

        There is enough discrediting evidence regarding our leadership. There is even a website
        http://www.compromat.ru/
        But accounts at foreign banks can be a lever of pressure on Russian officials.
        That is why JV Stalin kept under observation of officials who had to travel abroad for work. Yes, and he traveled abroad a few times. And he rested and others had to in his own country.
  2. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 31 May 2012 12: 17
    +12
    Good article. Let’s hope that Syria will stand and Russia will not bend.
    1. mnn_12
      mnn_12 31 May 2012 15: 25
      +8
      Dear Sakhalinets,
      Unfortunately, all indications show that Russia has capitulated and surrendered or will be surrendered to Syria soon. This is indicated by the media of the West, and in Russia, probably not a word about it. The intensification of terrifying terrorist attacks and provocations in recent days shows that the US and its allies are embarking on a final attack. And this can be seen only after neutralization of the active (o) position of Russia.
      Rossi’s problems are that after the removal of the Assad regime, Russia will not have any leverage guaranteeing its interests and positions. Apparently the political leadership of Russia has ruined the deal. But this deal reminds me of Ribentrop-Molotov. The fulfillment of the agreements will depend entirely on the goodwill of the United States and its allies, in other words, Russia will be deceived once again.
      The tone of the articles shows that the general understood all this despite the fact that he did not speak directly about it. The article seems landmark to me, as does most of the ego articles.
      Perhaps the Russian leadership is convinced (or simply succumbed to external pressure) that they will keep Syria - this is a lost battle.
      It seems very important to me that the general hints at the internal conductors of other people's interests ...
      I would be glad if I am mistaken ...
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 31 May 2012 18: 08
        0
        Oh, I would not want your words to be prophetic, although there is a high probability that you wrote ...
        I will say more simply I hope that the reason of the leadership of Russia will prevail.
        1. mnn_12
          mnn_12 31 May 2012 20: 14
          +1
          Dear Sakhalinets,
          I also did not want to, but look what the author wrote (read between the rows ...). I can say that for example, everything that the author wrote in other articles on technology, the US domination, I see in action (it seems he is a Bulgarian or lived in Bulgaria) and I have no reason to doubt his analysis.
          It must be borne in mind and another - it’s not only the mind of the leadership but also the real possibilities of the state. Unfortunately, Russia's potential is not the same as it was in the USSR.
          And I repeat again - Western media hint that the deal is est. In Russia, it is clear that they do not say a word about this. If this is really so, then Lavrov’s statement is nothing other than a theater for the internal public, an excruciating retreat ...
  3. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 31 May 2012 12: 21
    +19
    So far, the positions of Moscow and Beijing give hope that Syria will not become a second Yugoslavia. But, Ivashov correctly noted that pressure levers and compromising materials can be involved by amers. Let's see how events will develop, but the GDP is not yet eager to communicate with Obama. So, to invite him to an audience is unlikely to succeed ...
    But Syria cannot be surrendered. Not one step back, behind - Moscow.
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 31 May 2012 13: 57
      +9
      And it would be nice if the amers would compromise the light .... We ourselves cannot remove this rot from our land, so maybe it will work out with their hands ....
      1. party3AH
        party3AH 31 May 2012 14: 18
        +8
        No matter how sad it sounds, but the loot rules the world, our bureaucrats are likely to bend the honor now out of fashion sad , I wish only not to bend Syria and survive.
      2. mnemonics
        mnemonics 31 May 2012 14: 46
        +5
        The Chekists are incriminating at all, and so what amers never dreamed of, remember the telephone conversations of the red Germans. It’s just that these can in one gulp everything. But I think they will not achieve the goals. We are already waiting for the deportation of some of our leaders. They won’t hit Putin, they would have long been accustomed to it.
      3. alexander hjcnjd
        alexander hjcnjd 31 May 2012 20: 22
        +1
        Quote: vadimN
        We ourselves cannot remove this rot from our land, so maybe it will work out with their hands ....
        Do you really think they will surrender Putin? The puppet serves amers very well.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 15
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Hjcnjd
          Do you really think they will surrender Putin? The puppet serves amers very well.

          I agree! However, the wait is not long left, the denouement is close, but at what cost ?!
      4. 31 May 2012 22: 50
        -1
        Quote: vadimN
        And it would be nice if the amers would compromise the light .... We ourselves cannot remove this rot from our land, so maybe it will work out with their hands ....

        What rot? Are you another Vlasovite?
        1. alexander hjcnjd
          alexander hjcnjd 31 May 2012 23: 04
          +1
          Tell me a stupid animal where at least the money for oil has gone away? Maybe the housing problem has been solved with this money, etc. etc. No, they are stolen. Oh yes, you, like all pro-Putin people, cannot think on your own.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 18
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Hjcnjd
            Tell me a stupid animal where at least the money for oil has gone away? Maybe the housing problem has been solved with this money, etc. etc. No, they are stolen. Oh yes, you, like all pro-Putin people, cannot think on your own.

            Totally agree with you! But gas, steel, wood, coal, grain, etc. etc.
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 2 June 2012 16: 00
              0
              Quote: nycsson
              "... gas, steel, timber, coal, grain, etc., etc."

              And uranium ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXqBBOOqlZU

              And there is enough compromising evidence regarding our leadership. There is even a website
              http://www.compromat.ru/
              And if there is not enough money in the budget, then they will raise food prices and increase fines.
              For example, fines for unauthorized meetings and rallies. So celebrating graduation exams is best on the Internet.
              But I don’t go to rallies and don’t let my children go. Nothing to do there.
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 17
          +2
          Quote: kos
          What rot? Are you another Vlasovite?

          You stupid person, however !!! fool fool fool
      5. nycsson
        nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 14
        +2
        Quote: vadimN
        And it would be nice if the amers would compromise the light .... We ourselves cannot remove this rot from our land, so maybe it will work out with their hands ....

        Yes, everything is under their control there! Do not get out! He does his dirty deed with his team! One sun reform is worth it!
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 10
      +1
      Quote: Samsebenum
      But Syria cannot be surrendered. Not one step back, behind - Moscow.

      That's for sure! Wait and see!
  4. zevs379
    zevs379 31 May 2012 12: 23
    +13
    And if there really is compromising evidence, then we will see it by the actions of the authorities. That is, they will say "KU" for the introduction of troops into Syria, which means they must be driven all by a pagan broom angry
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 31 May 2012 12: 47
      +8
      zevs379
      I agree with this conclusion. This will be a kind of "moment of truth".
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 20
        0
        Quote: Samsebenum
        I agree with this conclusion. This will be a kind of "moment of truth".

        The denouement is near! I look forward to it!
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 2 June 2012 16: 14
          +1
          The denouement will begin before the US elections, as it was in 2008. First, South Ossetia, then the financial crisis. The Americans themselves do not hide it.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyiYjrBOr28 См. с 1мин. 35 сек.

          Now they write a lot about the End of the World and Russia's chosenness, distracting from the fact that no one needs the peoples living in Russia.
  5. Liberal
    Liberal 31 May 2012 12: 29
    -23
    I do not believe that the great National Leader will give Syria to be torn to pieces by imperialist predators! The regime of the progressive President Assad will survive and will build a bright nanotechnological future with us. Here you are not here! Go Russia!!
    1. skullcap
      skullcap 31 May 2012 13: 04
      +11
      What’s your Russian flag?
      Is it time to shed on the progressive west and not spoil the atmosphere here?
      1. Cadet787
        Cadet787 31 May 2012 13: 26
        +6
        Kosopuz.

        They pay him well, and therefore barks briskly. Let it remain, Stalinism is being reborn in our country ...
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 31 May 2012 22: 48
          +2
          Quote: Cadet787
          They pay him well, and therefore barks briskly. Let it remain, Stalinism is being reborn in our country ...

          Yes, he has such black humor, with a joke, I would say !!! And if translated, Russia will not be able to oppose them and will again watch the death of another friendly country! Something like this!!!
        2. sleepy
          sleepy 2 June 2012 16: 19
          0
          Stalinism will begin with nationalization subsoil and fixed assets.
          And someone from the leadership declared the impossibility of revising the privatization carried out in violation of the laws, since this, according to him, would lead to bloodshed in Russia.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 May 2012 13: 49
      +13
      And the fact that 100 Russians live in Syria doesn't give a damn about you. Well, they’re not your relatives, really. But why is a liberal rot worse than any amer. A man without honor, but you cannot be called a man.
      1. Drugar
        Drugar 31 May 2012 14: 04
        +5
        And the fact that 100 Russians live in Syria does not care

        thousand, thousand, gentlemen ...)
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 31 May 2012 18: 07
          0
          Quote: Drugar
          thousand, thousand, gentlemen ...)

          And mainly women.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 21
            0
            Quote: Alexej
            And mainly women.

            So we will see how our government will protect them!
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 2 June 2012 16: 23
              0
              Quote: Alexej
              "And mostly women."

              If they are married, then they are no longer Russian.
              The customs there are, with the word "East is a delicate matter."
              1. sleepy
                sleepy 2 June 2012 16: 23
                0
                But a military base is a completely different matter.
      2. Splin
        Splin 31 May 2012 19: 18
        +2
        Russia has a military base in Syria. Under Yeltsin and then weak Russia, the airborne landing took control without NATO demand. If the leadership wanted, the air defense division and a separate battalion of marines would have stood there for a long time. This is certainly not strength, but Clinton’s wife. I wouldn’t scream to the whole world that they could do without UN sanction.
        But this was not done. NATO has long had leverage on Moscow.
        1. 77bor1973
          77bor1973 31 May 2012 23: 51
          0
          Hillary Clinton bluffs and contradicts Obama's election policy! The civil war in Syria has been going on for over a year and it seems to me it will last until the presidential elections in the United States! And there, how "the card will fall."
    3. smile
      smile 31 May 2012 15: 23
      +13
      Liberal
      Yes, no ... everything will be the other way around - super-democratic Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE. without a constitution, not a single political party, monarchy, simply a monarchy in which women are stoned, chopped limbs and all the miserable attempts to protest their own marsh drowned in blood with the help of foreign troops (remember Qatar) having such a super democracy behind The United States, whose citizens are not allowed to choose their own president, but is allowed to kill, torture (even recommended by the state, how to do it more conveniently) with impunity any subhuman, who are usually all saved from various tyranny, peacefully tear Syria to pieces, arrange on the territory Syria and Lebanon permanent massacre between the Alawites and Sunnis. As a result, Syrian statehood can either be forgotten. or it will be possible to forget about several million Alawites ... in any case, the country will be ruined, hunger will affect almost everyone. one can forget about the secular state, al-Qaeda and other Muslim brothers will be in power, at least hundreds of thousands of people will die ... in general, the long-awaited new world democratic order will come, very convincingly showing its bestial grin in Iraq, Libya .... more everywhere . BUT BABS WILL BE DELIVERED TO THE PLACE USING SHARIAT LAWS! You do not mind the unfortunate Syrian women, but, liberal ... Are you ours?
    4. Che
      Che 31 May 2012 15: 48
      +9
      Liberal,
      Look at what al friends your rat friends have done. and blame Assad.
      1. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 31 May 2012 17: 19
        +4
        Che! These are not his friends! His friends in minority parades, he doesn’t pull on more!
    5. expert2008
      expert2008 31 May 2012 17: 27
      +2
      You would sanitize your oral opening; it smells bad of you.
    6. alexander hjcnjd
      alexander hjcnjd 31 May 2012 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: Liberal.
      I do not believe that the great National Leader will give Syria to be torn to pieces by imperialist predators!
      I’m afraid that I’ll give it back. He gave China the islands on the Amur River for which our border guards perished, gave Norway a huge piece of water, calmly surrendered Libya and will continue to serve the Americans.
      1. 31 May 2012 22: 52
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Hjcnjd
        I’m afraid that I’ll give it back. He gave China the islands on the Amur River for which our border guards perished, gave Norway a huge piece of water, calmly surrendered Libya and will continue to serve the Americans.

        Very stupid, fat troll ...
        1. alexander hjcnjd
          alexander hjcnjd 31 May 2012 23: 09
          0
          Quote: kos
          Very stupid, fat troll ...
          Well done, Putin's servant. Because you can’t argue, think too, there’s only one thing to offend others. But you are a PATRIOT because you can’t stand out for anything else
  6. Oleg777
    Oleg777 31 May 2012 12: 41
    +2
    And we won’t be asked, it’s all a matter of time. In this situation, R.F. can only defend his point of view, that’s all, the hour of Syria will soon strike, whether we want it or not.
  7. volcano
    volcano 31 May 2012 12: 59
    +11
    I agree with the Author.
    Syria cannot be surrendered in any way.
    It is very interesting why the US needs such a buildup in the Middle East? On the surface there are a couple of options. Throw them at Russia, or push Islam and Europe (including Russia). We can definitely say that the United States needs not just a regime change in a number of Middle Eastern countries, but a constantly boiling boiler. The question is where will it be splashed out? And when?
    1. dim-dim
      dim-dim 31 May 2012 13: 40
      +6
      Quote: volkan
      It is very interesting why the US needs such a buildup in the Middle East?


      The answer is obvious - you need a permanent zone of instability, speculating on which you can pursue a profitable geopolitical policy - if you want a big war - a couple of explosions, crying women - an excellent reason to send troops, you need a platform to invade a neighboring country - here, get it, in a word, an ordinary game of geopolitics - the right of the strong to any whim! And I would very much like that this "strong" would have already been reasoned out by someone .... Russia, for example, even together with China, I think no one will be against it!
      1. Tirpitz
        Tirpitz 31 May 2012 14: 41
        +6
        And how will they reason? Do you personally go to tempt? Announce the war? In the information field on a planetary scale, we are complete zero. Already half the planet FOR the bombing of Syria.
  8. David Lynch
    David Lynch 31 May 2012 12: 59
    +7
    From Hula they want to draw Srebrenica.
    In Serbia, Russia retreated. And she lost.
    Now there is more power.
    God give it.
  9. kasha
    kasha 31 May 2012 13: 06
    +18
    Yes, after Syria, Iran, the turn of Russia and the CIS will come !! America behaves as it once did with fascist Germany, repeated even in small things !! And I think that they will surrender to Syria, unfortunately, they will not bend weakly to our leaders, as they say, the gut is thin in the present! So gentlemen are preparing for war !!
    1. mnn_12
      mnn_12 31 May 2012 23: 50
      0
      I agree! Bearing in mind the modern technology of capturing and destroying the state, I have such a question - will it be civil?
      1. kasha
        kasha 1 June 2012 16: 06
        0
        The development of events is possible from all kinds of provocations, such as for example, we were witnesses in August 2008, plus or minus variations of the CIS regions or constituent entities of the Federation. The task is to maximize Western forces following the results of the authorities ’response to provocations, declaring the Russian leadership to be not legitimate to bring the controlled politicians of the residents and split Russia into several different independent states! But such a scenario is not very believable !! The Russian mass media was given an antidote to the Russian people against all kinds of orange events. Therefore, the Russian government will enjoy the support of the people in any situation, and then provocations of any kind will most likely be meaningless!
        In this regard, the West may go to political, economic, and military confrontations! Here, missile defense positioning areas can already act as an accelerating factor! They just run out of time, they urgently need a DRAG ON OST !!
  10. sergskak
    sergskak 31 May 2012 13: 06
    +22
    It seems that only the Ministry of Foreign Affairs somehow reacts to all the statements of the West and it is sluggish. I would like to hear the intelligible position of the GDP. For a long time there was no hard-hired man from him. Is he getting old or what? There Obama every day spits saliva, the son of Africa his mother. And ours is what the damned is silent about.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 31 May 2012 22: 50
      +3
      Quote: sergskak
      I would like to hear a clear position of GDP. For a long time there was no hardcore from him.

      HA HA HA !!! And do not hear !!! If until this moment ours did not say anything, now they will be silent for a long time !!!
  11. Gocha kurashvili
    Gocha kurashvili 31 May 2012 13: 20
    +4
    I think the compromising evidence that Amers possibly have is on our leadership that there’s a dead poultice. How can they surprise us ???
    1. party3AH
      party3AH 31 May 2012 14: 23
      +12
      Yes, our people will immediately get rid of it as soon as their accounts are frozen, it is always fashionable to keep wallets and assets in the west, and there if they find use for your money, like this and sell their homeland.
      1. Tirpitz
        Tirpitz 31 May 2012 14: 43
        +10
        Modifications of tomahawks and anti-missiles will be made with the same money.
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 31 May 2012 17: 44
        +5
        Quote: party3AH
        Yes, ours will immediately get rid of as soon as their accounts are frozen,

        Yeah, they are strange people! Unaware of a simple thing:
        The coffins have no pockets!
      3. 31 May 2012 23: 02
        0
        Quote: party3AH
        Yes, ours will be immediately managed as soon as their accounts are frozen, it is always fashionable to keep wallets and assets in the west, and if they find any use for your money, they will sell their homeland like that.

        What assets and accounts? It would have been done a long time ago when Putin threw Exxon Mobile with the purchase of 40% of the Russian oil industry, when he squeezed it out from Shell Sakhalin2, when he frustrated all plans to destroy Iran (remember war 080808? Or do you really believe that this is crazy Mishiko’s initiative? laughing ), when for several months the UN Security Council thanks to us laughing can't pass a resolution on Syria? etc.
        When Putin was pushing, despite the howling of the Baltic countries and our other northern neighbors, the construction of the Nord Stream, where was the dirt?

        Your incompetence is simply amazing ... Solid patterns and no attempt to learn something yourself and draw your own conclusion.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 32
          +3
          Quote: kos
          What assets and accounts?

          Which they brought to the west! fool
          Quote: kos
          It would have been a long time since Putin had thrown Exxon Mobile with the purchase of 40% of the Russian oil industry, when he pressed Shell Sakhalin2,

          Yes, it's a penny for them, do not carry nonsense!
          Quote: kos
          when he foiled all plans for the destruction of Iran (remember the 080808 war?

          What does the war in Georgia and the destruction of Iran ???
          Quote: kos
          Or do you really believe that this is crazy Mishiko’s initiative?

          Of course not him, no one, I think, will argue with that!
          Quote: kos
          when for several months now the UN Security Council, thanks to us laughing, cannot adopt a resolution on Syria? etc.

          This is the only thing left for us to do! But you will soon see how they gouge Syria, and then Iran without any resolutions!
          Quote: kos
          When Putin was pushing, despite the howling of the Baltic countries and our other northern neighbors, the construction of the Nord Stream, where was the dirt?

          Construction of the north stream! We only do what we sell raw materials over the hill, instead of building all kinds of processing plants and thereby creating jobs for us!
          Quote: kos
          Your incompetence is simply amazing ...

          I can only guess about your "competence" !!! fool
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 1 June 2012 20: 10
            0
            Your comment is very reminiscent of:
            You lose on the eagle, tails I win
            In general, the postulate: Presumption of guilt , In action !
            bully
        2. sleepy
          sleepy 2 June 2012 16: 33
          +1
          Quote: kos
          "When Putin pushed through, despite the howl of the Baltic countries and our other northern neighbors, the construction of the Nord Stream, where was the dirt?"

          Germany put all the Balts and others in their place, since they received great benefits from this project. So it would be more correct to say that the Nord Stream project was pushed through by Gerhard Schroeder.
  12. Trudy
    Trudy 31 May 2012 13: 22
    +16
    Dear forum users! Please vote for Syria here:

    http://www.onlinepetition.ru/syria/petition.html

    To the leadership of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
    Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia S.V. Lavrov

    Dear Sergey Viktorovich!
    We, the Russian people in Syria, are asking you for protection.
    What is happening around Syria is a fierce information war, threatening to develop into a real one.
    What happened in the Syrian village of Hula is nothing more than a carefully planned provocation, designed to bring new sanctions to Syria, including foreign intervention.

    You say: both parties are to blame for what happened. But this is not so. In the tragedy that took place in the village of Hula, there is no fault of the Syrian army.

    According to the ceasefire, the village of Hula was under the control of the armed opposition, and the army was not there. Around the village were five checkpoints of the Syrian army. And at about 14 p.m., armed opposition militants attacked these checkpoints so that the Syrian soldiers could not come to the rescue of the Hula residents and were forced to defend themselves. Warriors fought stubbornly, but forces were unequal, and they were captured and brutally tortured by militants.

    We call on the Russian leadership to investigate the crimes committed in the village of Hula, not to join the chorus of Western voices against the Syrian republic and its leadership, but to give the Syrian people and their legal representatives all possible support in the fight against terrorist groups that have penetrated Syrian land, to protect Syria from Western sanctions.
    1. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 31 May 2012 15: 52
      +1
      For Libya, too, the same vote was .. I hope at least there will be more sense ...
    2. Alexei
      Alexei 31 May 2012 19: 00
      +1
      I signed up. And there are good comments thrown off good read and rejoiced.
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 1 June 2012 15: 35
      +1
      Quote: Trudy
      You say: both parties are to blame for what happened.

      Here's how to know how to cut back !!! am am am They will merge, you’ll see that they will merge, together with all our citizens living in Syria !!! : am am am
  13. Cadet787
    Cadet787 31 May 2012 13: 32
    +7
    The US ghouls and their allies respect only strength, and the idle talk of our Foreign Ministry is pulling this conflict to our borders, the pendants have pulled the so-called "opposition" from all over the world there, and we chew snot, in place of making an adequate response. The masks have been dropped, there is a battle in Syria for Russia too, we will lose there, we will lose Russia
    1. Pinochet000
      Pinochet000 31 May 2012 18: 24
      0
      Quote: Cadet787
      Syria is fighting for Russia, lose there, lose Russia

      I totally agree.
  14. vadimN
    vadimN 31 May 2012 13: 48
    +6
    "George W. Bush adhered to the foreign policy concept of a" fourth Rome "...

    The further, the more obvious that the US is successfully moving towards the concept of the "Third Reich" ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 31 May 2012 14: 51
      +6
      The further, the more obvious that the US is successfully moving towards the concept of the "Third Reich" ...

      already the fourth, the third ended in May 45.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 31 May 2012 17: 45
      -1
      Quote: vadimN
      The US is making good progress towards the Third Reich concept

      I agree with PSih2097, or rather of course the "Fourth Reich"
    3. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 31 May 2012 20: 15
      -2
      Quote: vadimN
      "George W. Bush adhered to the foreign policy concept of a" fourth Rome "...



      Two Romes fell, Russia - the third Rome, and the fourth will not happen.
  15. kontrzasada20
    kontrzasada20 31 May 2012 14: 00
    +7
    Qatar and its Emir have long wanted to rule in this region, America supports him, so he sends his saboteurs there, our ambassadors are beaten, and Lavrov is so hated. that they called him the red mullah In an interview with Kommersant FM radio Lavrov expressed concern about the aspirations of some countries in the region to put pressure in favor of creating a Sunni regime in Syria. In an interview with the Russia 1 TV channel, Lavrov said: the interethnic, interfaith nature of the complexly constructed Syrian state, in the history of which there were many dramatic events, the consequences may be unpredictable. It is an obvious fact that the current construction did not take place. Unfortunately, it is in this place that the brewing crisis within the Islamic world between Sunnis and Shiites can break through. If the current structure collapses, the situation could change not only around Iran, but also around and inside Iraq, where the Sunnis feel offended. And they don't hesitate to talk about it "
    The campaign against Lavrov was led by the editor of a pan-Arab London newspaper, Tariq Alhomayed. He wrote the editorial "Mulla Lavrov!" In it, Alhomayed writes the following: “It is very strange that we heard such a statement from the lips of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, especially the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia. The statement, or tactlessness, was not made by Hassan Nasrallah, not Nuri el-Maliki, not Muqtada el- Sadr, not Iranian Foreign Minister Salehi and not even Bashar al-Assad himself. Instead, we hear a similar statement from a secular state, which does not seem to fall into the abyss of intercommunal conflict. The language used by Mullah Lavrov is especially shocking, and under the "mullah" what we mean here is the Tehran-looking mullah. Issuing a statement that some countries in the region are seeking to establish Sunni rule in Syria is not only very dangerous, it demonstrates a lack of diplomatic discretion. Even if the Gulf countries and Saudi Arabia are to blame for not settling with Russia to discuss the Syrian crisis at the same table, this cannot explain the shameful claim of Sunni rights laziness in Syria.
    ... Russia received nothing for the support of Assad - only the hatred of the Syrians, Arabs and Muslims. It has satisfied Assad, Iran, Hezbollah and the militias ruling Iraq. Russia does not see that, while kindling the fire of intercommunal strife, it will inevitably face a fire in its own house - the war will reach it, through Syria and Afghanistan. "


    Saudi journalist Muhammad al-Sheikh writes in Al-Jazirah about what Russia is afraid of: “Russian support for the Assad regime can only be explained by fear of popular revolutions. The government is afraid of a revolution in Russia itself, or in one of the allied neighboring countries, the regimes in which, perhaps, are only a slightly improved copy of the Alawite dictatorship of Assad in Syria. "
    Based on materials from the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI)
    My opinion is that we can, even that we can’t do it, like America is hysterical, and if America doesn’t like it, then Lavrov is well done and we are on the right track.
  16. Karabin
    Karabin 31 May 2012 14: 01
    +6
    It all depends on what compromising material and what leverage the American side has with regard to our leadership. Of course, there is plenty of both
    One can argue with this, one can agree, but facts are a stubborn thing. In international affairs, we surrender our positions, although we rest, it is more likely to save face. In domestic, policies are implemented that are inconsistent with campaign promises, the opposite of the expectations of the majority of the population. Syria Assad is doomed, a matter of time. The stability of the regime is respected, but there is a limit to everything.
  17. serg83
    serg83 31 May 2012 14: 19
    +5
    One of the most important aspects concerning Syria and Iran is that they are a kind of one of the farthest lines of defense for Russia, having lost which we will get the same terrorists with the money of Turkey and the Saudis already in our Caucasus and Central Asia! Moreover, all this will be accompanied by a colossal drop in oil prices, that is, there will be a huge hole in the budget! Most likely in Central Asia to begin with, although options are possible. Therefore, in this situation, Shiites act as temporary allies in their confrontation with radical Sunni Islamists. And in my opinion, the Russian leadership should get the most out of this situation.
  18. 916-th
    916-th 31 May 2012 14: 26
    +4
    Ivashov: It all depends on what compromising material and what leverage the American side has with regard to our leadership.

    Such techniques work in the USA, and in our country - on the drum.
    1. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 31 May 2012 16: 22
      +4
      That's it. If our authorities behave with dignity, then I personally will spit on the incriminating evidence laid out by the United States.
  19. Opertak
    Opertak 31 May 2012 14: 46
    +2
    From my point of view, this article should not be taken seriously - Ivashov is in opposition and is pouring water into her mill. "It is still difficult for me to say whether it will" bend "or not. It all depends on what kind of compromising material and what levers of pressure the American side has in relation to our leadership. Of course, there is plenty of both.". - obvious stupidity, because
    1. Russia is not a country that can be compromised.
    2. We have compromising evidence on the US elite, at least not less than they have on us. More recently, one of our experts, less well-known than Ivashov, but much more respected in government circles, has openly stated that Russia can easily remove Obama from the post of US president. We have not heard much about this, but in the State Department it made the impression of a bomb exploding - remember how many assistants and key figures of the Obama administration have resigned over the past 8 months :))
    3. People, you don't have to be idiots, otherwise they write: "the dollar is growing ..., the price of oil is falling" - they say, oh! Think for yourself, there are less dollars per barrel, but it is more expensive, so what happened? Never mind!
    1. Vladimir 70
      Vladimir 70 31 May 2012 15: 16
      +6
      2. We have compromising evidence on the US elite, at least not less than they have on us. More recently, one of our experts, less well-known than Ivashov, but much more respected in government circles, has openly stated that Russia can easily remove Obama from the post of US president. We have not heard much about this, but in the State Department it made the impression of a bomb exploding - remember how many assistants and key figures of the Obama administration have resigned over the past 8 months :))
      SW OperTak, well, Obama will be removed from the post of US President, then neither domestic, nor foreign policy, not the US government will not change, unlike Russia. That is the point.
      1. Opertak
        Opertak 31 May 2012 15: 46
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir 70
        it’s not domestic, not foreign policy, not the state system of the United States will not change
        - not sure. The United States is now no less vulnerable than Russia - this can be seen with the naked eye. The only thing that makes it more stable than us is the ADEQUACY of their elite - it is not afraid to shed the blood of its people and spits on all its laws in a critical situation. There are plenty of examples in the history of the United States and now they are building concentration camps throughout the country, and our chmoshniki in Russia cannot deal with network hamsters and white-collar dogs.
        1. Vladimir 70
          Vladimir 70 31 May 2012 15: 54
          +5
          Uv. OperTak, here I completely agree with you! And if the United States is now vulnerable, the United States must be brought down otherwise it will be too late! Even a seditious thought crept into my mind, maybe Syria and Iran are being deliberately substituted for the United States, like a bone in the throat, to choke. One thing is scary, that all the so-called "elite" have long been sold to the West.
          1. Opertak
            Opertak 31 May 2012 16: 11
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir 70
            it is necessary to bring down the USA otherwise it will be too late!
            This is a difficult question. Let me remind you, Bush Sr. was categorically against the collapse of the USSR. I am not a supporter of the collapse of the United States - hemorrhoids can become more of this for us. It is enough to moderate their ambitions and drive them to their historical place - the peripheral power of another continent. Here in a nearby branch of the radar station in Gabala they are discussing, sinning in the United States, but I am sure that this is the work of Israel - he is now Azerbaijan’s best friend. This is so, for example.
            1. Vladimir 70
              Vladimir 70 31 May 2012 16: 19
              +2
              By the word to blame, I meant: not the collapse of the United States into separate states, but the collapse of the "Western financial system", the collapse of their army, to deprive the printing press. As for Israel, I do not think that the State of Israel is independent in making global decisions.
              1. Opertak
                Opertak 31 May 2012 16: 30
                +4
                Israel is freer than the United States in making decisions, and this is a big problem for us and for the whole world. If you are interested in this question, then find the speeches of the American Senator David Duke: "The paradox is that the top, which now rules in the United States, is the enemy not only of the Russian people and other European peoples, but also of the American people themselves." And he speaks in great detail about the Jews in the USA - Israel rules America and confirms this by the national composition of the US leadership.
                1. Vladimir 70
                  Vladimir 70 31 May 2012 16: 44
                  +4
                  ........ And about Jews in the United States, he speaks in great detail - America steers Israel and confirms this with the national composition of the US leadership.
                  Uv. OperTak, I agree with you that the United States is ruled by citizens of Jewish nationality and they do not care, both on US citizens and on their fellow believers living in the territory of the State of Israel. But to say that Israel rules America is wrong! The Jews of the State of Israel are just "cannon fodder" who, if necessary, will be sacrificed in the name of world Zionism.
                  1. Opertak
                    Opertak 31 May 2012 20: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Vladimir 70
                    The Jews of the State of Israel are just "cannon fodder"
                    Dear, we are talking about politics, and people are always and everywhere sacrificed, since it has long been known that the rich Jews set the Holocaust for the poor Jews.
    2. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 31 May 2012 16: 29
      +2
      I do not agree a bit about Ivashov. Well, yes this is my opinion. I support the rest.
    3. mechanic33
      mechanic33 31 May 2012 18: 20
      0
      Quote: OperTak
      People, you don't have to be idiots, otherwise they write: "the dollar is growing ..., the price of oil is falling" - they say, oh! Think for yourself, there are less dollars per barrel, but it is more expensive, so what happened? Never mind!


      Well, yes, I agree ... when the number of dollars per barrel decreases, then the number of rubles per dollar increases, so that in the end we would not lose anything in rubles .....
    4. 31 May 2012 23: 08
      +1
      Opertak,
      Here, smart girl! One of the few really sensible comments.
      Quote: OperTak
      3. People, you don't have to be idiots, otherwise they write: "the dollar is growing ..., the price of oil is falling" - they say, oh! Think for yourself, there are less dollars per barrel, but it is more expensive, so what happened? Never mind!

      That's it! This is part of the Central Bank's policy. If the cost of a barrel decreases, then the Central Bank does not knowingly keep the ruble exchange rate, because with the depreciation of the ruble (reasonable), losses from lower oil prices are reduced. These are obvious things.
  20. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 31 May 2012 14: 48
    +2
    In order to turn away attention from Syria and Iran, Russia needs to create a critical situation with one of the US allies. For example, in Qatar, we have a bunch of special services, it is necessary to arrange a series of terrorist attacks to destabilize that situation, to blow up several oil and gas terminals, because this is how our "partners" act. In general, move the center of attention of the world there, and not chew snot until a NATO soldier pulls out of the Kremlin by the balls.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 31 May 2012 20: 02
      0
      Quote: Tirpitz
      In order to divert attention from Syria and Iran, Russia needs to create a critical situation for one of the US allies. For example, in Qatar, we have a bunch of special services, it is necessary to arrange a series of terrorist attacks to destabilize the situation

      Enough, in the same Qatar they couldn’t really liquidate Yandarbiev, they fell asleep. To amer now such a scandal as a sweet cake would be in the subject.
      1. 31 May 2012 23: 12
        0
        Quote: Captain45
        Enough, in the same Qatar they couldn’t really liquidate Yandarbiev, they fell asleep. To amer now such a scandal as a sweet cake would be in the subject.

        Well, fell asleep so what? They returned safely to their homeland in exchange for the Qatari, who were accidentally detained at the airport on suspicion of terrorism (what a coincidence ...).
  21. vezunchik
    vezunchik 31 May 2012 15: 16
    +6
    But Stalin was right when he counted only on his own resources and did not fall into dependence on the West.
  22. Bob
    Bob 31 May 2012 15: 54
    +6
    The war with Syria has long been going on, and the West is an active participant in it. For the next active phase of the war, a provocation was used - the murder of children and civilians by rebel thugs under the guise of an attack by the Syrian armed forces (the West’s favorite technique was that the Nazis staged an attack on their frontier post, the assassination of Prince Ferdinand before World War I, etc. )
    Secretary Clinton’s weekly tour begins first in Europe to gain support in the information war (as in 2008, when everyone began to accuse Russia of aggression against Georgia in unison), then to Georgia and Turkey to take advantage of their military infrastructure in the upcoming confrontation with Syria-Iran . At the same time, Clinton’s visit to Azerbaijan and Armenia will take place (countries that will not be far from the conflict and will be drawn into it). Such visits to hot spots are a clear sign of the impending war. In 2008, just before the Georgian-Ossetian conflict, Georgia was also visited by the Secretary of State, and there she gave the go-ahead.
    Syria is a detonator of an explosion in the Middle East, as well as a conflict with Iran, which is unacceptable for Russia, because it affects the territory of the Caucasus, Central Asia - a zone of vital interests. Time goes on days and hours in the fate of Syria and the world as a whole. Unfortunately, the country's leadership is preoccupied with its billions abroad, and not with the fate of the country and the world. Time will tell what the silence of the unfortunate leaders for the flagrant injustice and violation of all the rules of law in relation to Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Syria will cost. The country is doing a lot to protect its South, but the forces of the 58th Army are clearly not enough when you consider the scale of the conflict and its likely time span. Defeating the enemy without a fight is the pinnacle of mastery (Chinese wisdom). Where are our strategists, before whose eyes the tragedy of peoples, if not all of humanity, has been unfolding for a long time.
    1. 31 May 2012 23: 21
      -1
      Quote: Bob
      Secretary Clinton’s weekly tour begins first in Europe tomorrow,

      Tomorrow Putin goes to Germany and France.
      Quote: Bob
      Unfortunately, the country's leadership is preoccupied with its billions abroad, and not with the fate of the country and the world.

      Can you confirm your slander with facts?
      Quote: Bob
      The country does a lot to protect its South, but the forces of the 58th army are clearly not enough


      Humorist. So the leadership cares about billions and is silent (although this is from where you personally know? If you haven’t been informed personally, it still doesn’t mean anything), and does the country rearmament itself at an accelerated pace of the South-East Military District?

      Bob, as always in his repertoire.

      Quote: Bob
      Syria is a detonator of an explosion in the Middle East, as well as a conflict with Iran, which is unacceptable for Russia

      It is clear that it is unacceptable, but what to do then? reality, you know, does not always correspond to our desires. What to declare war on NATO? It was also unacceptable to surrender Moscow to Napoleon, but strategically necessary. Kutuzov the traitor? How did the war end? That's it. Do not panic ahead of time.

      (All the same, correctly, Stalin shot the alarmists ...)
  23. Sars
    Sars 31 May 2012 16: 17
    +7
    Assad has two ways: to wait until the situation in Syria is finally "rocked" and this will be its end, or to strike with all his might at some Middle Eastern democracy, for example Saudi).
    Iran is next in line, it has no other choice but to get involved in the war.
    And then we’ll see how the democrats-rebooters sing.
  24. VlaSer
    VlaSer 31 May 2012 16: 45
    +6
    How sad it is all the same to realize that the beads will soon crumble and Russia’s turn will come. Lord, how much more is left to live? A year? Two? Three? They constantly ask me - what am I, sick? What kind of war? Live one day, everything will be fine .And I constantly get into the thought of what will happen to us. How will our sons, children, we die? In burning tanks, downed planes, with a torn belly ... and all of that? Yes, from what we are. ...! They handed over the country in the 80s, destroyed it with their own hands in the 90s. I feel sorry for you, sorry for yourself. Again, to die.
    1. Cadet787
      Cadet787 31 May 2012 17: 22
      +1
      Vladimir Let's sit down and cry, all that you said is true, but now the fatherland is in danger, because we destroyed our own hands with what was a deterrent. Well, today, as it is, it is.
      1. Galina
        Galina 31 May 2012 18: 07
        +4
        Cadet787: and, the saddest thing is that we, now, can’t do anything, but just look at this mess.
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 31 May 2012 20: 07
        +4
        Quote: Cadet787
        but now the fatherland is in danger

        In 1918, at least the slogan was issued: "The Socialist Fatherland is in danger!" What slogan and who will put forward now? "For Abramovich, Gazprom and Chubais!" or "Give Nemtsov-Navalny to the Kremlin!"
        1. IGR
          IGR 31 May 2012 21: 51
          0
          Quote: Captain45
          What is the slogan and who will put forward now?

          Yes, but the slogan is prettier and on the front line to the Party to take ... you know which one.
        2. Nicola
          Nicola 31 May 2012 22: 35
          +2
          Now not a single slogan will pass. The majority will refuse to fight for the above gentlemen and the current elite. They and we live in different dimensions and our citizenship is different however. This is the weakest link in the defense capability of RUSSIA.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 2 June 2012 17: 45
            +1
            It’s necessary to fight, not for those, but for others.
            "From time to time ... people who are experienced enough express the same idea. Like," if this country is attacked, no one will fight for it, the army is in disarray, there is no one to fight, the people will sit and wait. "
            .... Let me outline a similar situation for you. Let’s say NATO struck the first blow. Part nuclear, but mostly not.
            Well, ours there sluggishly in response, it turned out badly, the tanks cross the border, the forward units were overturned, crushed, partly destroyed, fleeing to the east. The resistance is minimal, the "Abrams" stick to Moscow ...
            In fact, when such a topic is recognized where necessary, the following will happen. Your door will ring. Opening it, you will see a hungover policeman, an even more hungover summer, and a couple of soldiers. You will be handed a summons and told that by order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief you were called up for military service. And I must pack my things and leave the hut right now, otherwise you will be arrested ... "

            "War of the Future. How It Will Be".
            http://timokhin-a-a.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0
  25. vezunchik
    vezunchik 31 May 2012 17: 34
    0
    Syrian rebels presented an ultimatum to President Bashar al-Assad, giving him 48 hours to implement the peace plan proposed by UN special envoy Kofi Annan. The ultimatum expires on Friday at 12.00 Moscow time. If the president refuses to fulfill the requirements, the rebels will declare themselves free from any obligations, which will lead to further clashes.

    Washington and Paris do not rule out the possibility of military intervention in Syria. According to White House spokeswoman Jay Carney, the US is against further escalation of the conflict, but has in mind all options for the development of events. French President Francois Hollande stated that military intervention in Syria is possible only with the approval of the UN. Russia's position on the Syrian problem will not change. This was stated by presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov. He emphasized that the foreign policy of the Russian Federation as a whole, and, in particular, with regard to Syria, is absolutely open, consistent and balanced.
  26. Cynic
    Cynic 31 May 2012 17: 56
    +1
    Here many people are perplexed: But why is the Yusovites actually all this?
    But, after all, just recently here, I don’t remember the forum exactly, this issue was discussed:
    It’s just that there are some overseas who have mastered it! World War II brought the USA out of the past world crisis! So why the Third will not save the United States from the current crisis!
    So no politics. Just a business. bully
    1. IGR
      IGR 31 May 2012 20: 45
      +3
      Quote: Cynic
      So no politics. Just a business.

      I agree. Sold again. They will make the "Qatari Stream" pipe to the Mediterranean Sea through Iraq, Syria or the Arabian Sea. Will lock the Persian Gulf. That's Iran's turn. They will tax it qualitatively (Afghan, Caspian, Iraq ...). China Pakistan and access to the Indian Ocean. We have "colorful revolutions" in Wed. Asia, to the North. Caucasus and Crimea ...
      Only on Bismarck hope: do not start anything against Russia "for your every trick, Russia will respond with its unpredictable stupidity"
  27. Patriot
    Patriot 31 May 2012 17: 59
    -3
    Don’t freak out like that. In the case of direct intervention of the West, Russia will not be able to do anything. Yes, and probably will not.

    For, it seems to me, Syria will definitely surrender. Or bargain. How it was in Libya! But, this does not change the essence.


    For many reasons, for example:

    1-they are their puppeteers. nevertheless guess at whose money democratization was carried out, perestroika was about the other procedures of fooling Russians
    2 - on the western accounts lie the stolen, exported from the country billions of dollars, thieves gang of Putin.
    3-our country as a whole is not profitable as the lifting of sanctions, and a peaceful solution to both the Syrian and Libyan issues.

    I would be in your place, Comrades, I began to seriously think about the question of what Putin’s gang will do in case of intervention in the territory of our country.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 31 May 2012 18: 08
      0
      Quote: Patriot
      I would be in your place, Comrades, I began to seriously think about the issue

      What is there to think?
      You can draw a simple analogy with our history (but is it yours? I really doubt so much gloating in the posts)
      The collapse of the empire, an attempt to create a type of democratic state, dictatorship, the revival of the empire.
      So that :
      Quote: Patriot
      Don’t freak out like that.

      bully
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 31 May 2012 19: 16
        -2
        Cynic, I like your cynicism !!!!!!
      2. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 31 May 2012 19: 58
        -2
        Thank you !!!! good
    2. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 31 May 2012 19: 28
      -2
      Quote: Patriot
      I would be in your place, Comrades, I began to seriously think about the question of what Putin’s gang will do in case of intervention in the territory of our country.



      And you did not know that the Russian people are a unifying force? And in a difficult time, he will raise up the defense of his native land, which is why all the peoples of Russia living in flesh before the former allies are at home !!!
    3. Nicola
      Nicola 31 May 2012 22: 41
      -1
      On planes and closer to their Western real estate and capital in banks.
      1. Ilyich
        Ilyich 1 June 2012 02: 55
        0
        Quote: Nicola
        On planes and closer to their Western real estate and capital in banks.

        Oh yes .... Well, always welcome! Whoever wants it is the tablecloth that will be less than any trash. One hell then the people will go after them. True, no longer on airplanes. On tanks .. Exceptionally see how they are doing there ...
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 1 June 2012 20: 18
        0
        Quote: Nicola
        On airplanes and ...

        That's what, what, but I can’t decide for you. If you have plans
        Quote: Nicola
        On the plane ...

        Well, what can be done here. Your plans, these are your plans.
        wink
  28. Oleg0705
    Oleg0705 31 May 2012 18: 51
    -2
    Well, if Ivashov, then you can already guess in advance what and how he will say! And this is not analytics, this is politics! And he is not a Vedun, specialists have been working there for a long time so there is no need to raise waves.

    If the stars are lit, then does anyone need this? So - someone wants them to be?


    it will not be easy for them like in Libya yes
    1. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 31 May 2012 20: 27
      -1
      explain why minus? smile
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 1 June 2012 20: 24
        -1
        Quote: Oleg0705
        explain why minus?

        Because MINUS!
        And the plus himself stated that someone did this not on the case, but out of dirty tricks ..

        By the way
        Quote: Oleg0705
        If I light the stars ...

        Pathetics too much, not quite in the subject
        drinks
        1. Oleg0705
          Oleg0705 1 June 2012 20: 35
          -2
          TAKE THROUGH THE WIDE GIVE YOUR FANTASY A FULL WAY TO BE WASHED AND DECODED drinks POLETICS and not again forgot to switch to lowercase letters do not want to retype smile
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 1 June 2012 21: 10
            0
            Quote: Oleg0705
            TAKE THE WIDE GIVE YOUR FANTASY A FULL STROKE

            Hmm.
            Pathetics is a sublime, excited tone in utterance. This is from the wiki.
            And the fact that this is to whom and why is needed has been said more than once.
            Although this is not alien to me, but only, in this case, so

            On earth, the whole human race
            One idol worships
            He is the real king of the universe
            That idol Taurus is golden

            We are always out of phase
            People of different faiths and countries
            Fighting in frenzied ecstasy
            multiplying capital!

            http://www.peoples.ru/art/music/rock/harizma/ljudi_gibnut_za_metall.shtml
            1. Oleg0705
              Oleg0705 1 June 2012 22: 12
              -2
              No wonder! even here on the forum does not do without a calf
              I don’t use wiki, everyone rules as he wants Dal Ozhigov recommend!

              sorry for eloquence smile
  29. pribolt
    pribolt 31 May 2012 21: 03
    +2
    Who would doubt that the "oilmen" sleep and see how their troops enter Syria, another question Syria is now supported by Russia, China and Iran, even as they say if Russia bends it is not a fact that the US will rush to send troops into Syria. Now Iran has announced its assistance to Syria and there is already a small number of Iranian military, if the US starts to send troops, there will already be a war with Iran for which China (the Chinese have been itching for a long time about the US) and Russia, and this is already the third world to which the "oilmen" are not ready even together with all their NATO allies with whom there are disagreements (Germany and France may not support)
    1. Vladimir 70
      Vladimir 70 31 May 2012 21: 07
      +4
      if the United States begins to send troops there will already be a war with Iran for which China can stand up (the Chinese have long been scratching their hands around the United States) and Russia
      The fact of the matter is that the United States will not send troops, they will trust the bandits to slaughter the population, and they themselves will strike from a safe distance.
    2. Alexei
      Alexei 31 May 2012 21: 08
      +1
      Your words, yes to "human rights activists" in the ears.
  30. kosmos84
    kosmos84 31 May 2012 21: 17
    +3
    Getting ready to receive subpoenas from the military enlistment office
  31. His
    His 31 May 2012 21: 31
    +4
    The Americans have a definite plan to fight us and China. I think that a belt of fire is created around us and then inside (Caucasus, Volga region). The fire of fundamental wild Islam. Then, when the fanatics have nothing to eat, Uncle Sam will show them the right direction to the North towards Russia. The war will not be the hands of the Americans. There will be an invasion like the Mongol. And the horde will be Islamic
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 31 May 2012 22: 52
      +2
      Quote: Own
      Americans have a specific plan to deal with us

      I don’t know how it is with China, but in their dreams the fight plan was developed back in 1947, somewhere like that, and they are successfully implementing it !!!
  32. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 31 May 2012 22: 30
    +3
    Ivashov is right. The American military-industrial complex has accumulated a lot of weapons, we need a war to get rid of all this weapons, as they say to whom the war and to whom the mother is native. bully
  33. Ilyich
    Ilyich 1 June 2012 03: 07
    +1
    And let's think better. Well, the states will begin to bomb Syria ... Well, Iran, the EU, Israel, Arabs, Turks, etc. will get drawn in. It is unlikely that any of the current actors will stand aside. So, what is next? Does Russia need to immediately be confronted with war?
    Yes, cool, yes noble. But what's next? Third world? Cool. To put it mildly.
    What looks right now (the slogan "Do not surrender Syria") will be the height of stupidity and shortsightedness. Russia not ready to war! This is the first. Secondly, the one who enters it, not at the initial stage, but towards the division of the pie wins the war. So, no matter how sad, but have to surrender.

    P.S. damn, I write terrible things ... But, unfortunately, the United States, the further - the more they are aimed at a military solution to the crisis. The ghost of the third world is somehow more pronounced. And Russia needs to stay away from him as far as possible.
    1. Sars
      Sars 1 June 2012 05: 53
      0
      Dear, Ilyich, there is someone to fight. Iran has a mobilization reserve of up to ten million people, and it’s quite educated. If you urgently help (not sell) them with weapons, the problem will be removed for a while. What time is it? There is a suspicion that the Iranians were very angry.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 1 June 2012 20: 31
      -1
      Quote: Ilyich
      Let’s think better.

      Clearly understood .
      That's only better to fight, of course, by the wrong hands.

      Quote: Ilyich
      But what's next? Third world?

      Hmm, that would not be the third world everything and all pass?
      It’s enough to take your own.
      By the way, Medvedev did not give up our Mishiko and that the third world began?
      1. Ilyich
        Ilyich 2 June 2012 03: 16
        +2
        Volodya, my friend, I’ll tell you more: it’s better not to fight at all. I think here you will agree. This, of course, does not mean that in each case of a hard clinch one must take a step back. But bare-chested bayonets are also not the best option.
        I will try to substantiate my opinion. We will not go far back centuries. Recall so many of the first and second world. Remember World War I: Russia not ready. The army is in the process of rearmament, the navy is also in the process.
        World War II: Russia again in the process of rearmament. AND again we were not given time for rearmament.
        Ultimately, this (in both cases) resulted in human sacrifice. Gigantic victims. OUR[ victims. Is it worth the third time to step on the same rake? Moreover, each time the stick in this rake becomes harder and harder ...
        It takes time to gain strength. This is at least. And you offer a Napoleonic recipe: first get involved in a fight, and then see what happens. I do not agree. Need to wait. This is especially true now, when nothing is clear. It is not clear who is on whose side and for what will hold the defense. It is not clear who, at what moment, and what trump cards he is ready to throw on this table.
        Emotion is good. This is easy and relieves of moral responsibility for the death of friends and the reproach of shrines, which falls on the soul of every normal man.
        But let's still remember that we are men, adult men. And emotions are the lot of pregnant women, college students, and tolerasts who are unable to resist their vices.
        Sincerely ...
        1. Ilyich
          Ilyich 2 June 2012 03: 40
          0
          Z.Y. here is an interesting reference. I laughed.
          http://www.vz.ru/news/2011/12/9/545457.html
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 2 June 2012 18: 30
          0
          Quote: Ilyich
          Remember World War I: Russia is not ready. The army is in the process of rearmament, the navy is also in the process.
          World War II: Russia is again at the rearmament stage. And again, they did not give us time for rearmament.

          You yourself answered:
          Quote: Ilyich
          we were not given time to rearm

          Add from myself: And now they won’t give it!
          Quote: Ilyich
          Emotion is good. It is easy and free from moral responsibility for the death of friends ...

          Very extraordinary, we can say original.
          By the way: With associations, not only the first, second order is still in order.
          1. Ilyich
            Ilyich 3 June 2012 02: 30
            0
            Quote: Cynic
            Add from myself: And now they won’t give it!

            So what is it about! Therefore, time is what is like air. )))
            Quote: Cynic
            Very extraordinary, we can say original.

            Glad you liked it smile
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 3 June 2012 20: 06
              -1
              Quote: Ilyich
              Glad you liked it

              Yes, I like black humor.
              bully
  34. Trudy
    Trudy 1 June 2012 09: 49
    +1
    Russian Communists believe that the tragedy in the Syrian city of Hula occurred through the fault of the special services of Western states.

    "The Communist Party of the Russian Federation strongly condemns the heinous provocation in the city of Hula and demands an open international investigation of this atrocity. We are convinced that the traces of this crime will sooner or later lead to the Western intelligence services, as it was previously in Yugoslavia, Libya and Afghanistan," the Central Committee said in a statement Communist Party of the Russian Federation, signed by party leader Gennady Zyuganov and circulated by its press service on Wednesday.

    The document notes that Western politicians and a number of media outlets in these countries "staged a genuine hysteria over the alleged shelling of the city of Hula by the Syrian army on May 25-26, where more than a hundred civilians, including 35 children, were killed."

    The Communists draw attention to the fact that the West blamed the Syrian authorities for the tragedy, not waiting for official investigations of all the circumstances of the incident.

    “However, the version of the destruction of the city of Hula by the artillery of government forces is not confirmed, since neither journalists, nor UN observers, nor terrorist fighters filming everything in a row, did not record heavy equipment in the vicinity of Hula. But, as reported, the victims have numerous traces of knife and gunshot wounds, including from shots to the back of the head, "- said in the statement of G.А. Zyuganov.

    It says that what happened in Hula to the Russian communists resembles "the bloody provocations in Bosnia in the mid-90s of the last century, which served as a pretext for NATO's intervention in the Balkans."

    "Now in Syria, the same scenario is clearly being played out in the hope that the peoples of the world have already forgotten how, by means of bloody provocations, a pretext was created for the destruction of a flourishing country in the center of Europe - Yugoslavia," G.A. Zyuganov.

    "The striking synchronism of the actions of Western politicians, immediately after the events in the city of Hula, demanded intervention against Syria, confirm the beliefs of the Russian communists about the true culprits of the tragedy in the city of Hula," the document says.

    http://kprf.ru/content/106719.html
  35. Patriot
    Patriot 1 June 2012 10: 17
    +2
    Hello everyone. I apologize to the interlocutors that for some reason, not in the previous message, part of the text was not included.
    FIX!


    Don’t freak out like that. In the case of direct intervention of the West, Russia will not be able to do anything. Yes, and probably will not.

    For, it seems to me, Syria will definitely surrender. Or bargain. How it was in Libya! But, this does not change the essence.


    For many reasons, for example:

    1-they (west) their puppeteers. nevertheless guess at whose money democratization was carried out, perestroika was about the other procedures of fooling Russians
    2 - on the western accounts lie the stolen, exported from the country billions of dollars, thieves' gang of Putin.
    3-our country as a whole is not beneficial to both the lifting of sanctions and a peaceful solution to both the Syrian and Iranian issues. For, in this case, oil prices will be forced to go down sharply. And, therefore, in the case of Syria and Iran, the current leadership will behave in the same way as in solving the Libyan issue. As it seems to me, no one has yet managed to forget how our provisional government behaved. I remind you that up to a certain point both Pukin and Mendel actively criticized the NATO countries for open intervention, but one day they sharply began to speak in a completely different way. It is not clear why, maybe. There are many versions: perhaps they bargained for something for themselves, maybe their owners simply asked not to leave. But it doesn't matter anymore. The only importance is that the example of Russia's behavior in resolving the Libyan issue was WELL VERY INDICATIVE!

    And. In your place, Comrades, it’s time to seriously think about the question of what Putin’s gang will undertake with open intervention on the territory of our country. But, it seems to me NOTHING. For the situation with the Chinese in the Urals and the Far East is subject to this. Under which he also created his own state corporation, which will practically not obey anyone but him.

    THERE ARE SUCH NATURES!
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 1 June 2012 20: 45
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      Quote: Patriot
      until a certain point, both Pukin and Mendel

      Small it, so dirty.
      In the face you say?

      They all clung to the president, but no one thought that President Putin was an objective reality, and what brought him to this post was the result of historical processes. It is him, a man with such qualities, and the fact that his last name Putin does not matter.
      Putin is a man who came for EBN and not only came but also held back!
      You did not forget Russia of those years? Her condition after the rule of the fathers of Russian democracy? And before that, the best Russian for the West!
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 2 June 2012 18: 44
        +1
        Quote: Cynic

        "Have you forgotten the Russia of those years? Her state after the reign of the fathers of Russian democracy? And before that the best Russian for the West!"

        For this, the best Russian for the West was awarded.
  36. T3485
    T3485 1 June 2012 22: 49
    -1
    ATTENTION!!!

    I am one of the coordinators of the online collection of signatures under the appeal to the Russian Foreign Ministry in defense of Syria

    The link to the Appeal that ran here in the comments leads to the old server, where the appeal was placed in a hurry - not looking at the fact that the signatures there simply do not make sense. People enter nicknames in Latin letters, etc. And very big glitches.

    At the request of people and in the interests of the matter, we were forced to transfer the collection of signatures to another, normal server: http://democrator.ru/problem/7525/

    If you have already subscribed to the old server - please subscribe again to normal. This will take you a couple of minutes, but your signature will gain strength and help the cause.

    Just in case, I give the address of the regularly updated start page of this promotion, where there is always up-to-date information about # Promotion Syria:

    http://kir-t34.livejournal.com/48558.html

    In addition, online stock news is available on Twitter by the hashtag # Stock Syria