The Egyptian side told about the working version of the causes of the accident MiG-29

News coming from Egypt about the collapse of the MiG-29, do not give reason for optimism. Reported on the causes of the accident of the Russian fighter, which was transferred to the Egyptian side under the contract in the current year. And the reasons are not called the error of the Egyptian pilot, and the technical malfunction of the aircraft.

A technical malfunction is declared by the representative of the Egyptian Air Force, to which it refers RIA News.

The material of the information agency stated that the cause of the crash were problems in the management system. On what basis such conclusions are made, not reported.

Recall that the reports of the accident fighter MiG-29M came from Egypt the day before. Representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation immediately stated that they were flying to Cairo to find out the causes of the accident on the spot. This was stated even before the Egyptian side actually accused the Russian manufacturer of having problems with the control system during the execution of a training flight.

It should be added that the pilot of the MiG-29M Egyptian Air Force ejected. In the Egyptian media claim that it is an experienced pilot.

Light on the causes of the crash will shed deciphering the flight recorders of the 4 Russian fighter of the Egyptian Air Force.

Comments

[Sergey Pavlov]

It seems of course to believe that the plane was technically sound and the cause of the accident is different. But, seeing what is happening in areas related to aviation, I won’t be surprised if their engineers or technicians screwed up there again. However, let's wait for the results of the investigation ..

[kjhg]

Quote: Sergey Pavlov

let's wait for the results of the investigation ..

let's

Quote: Sergey Pavlov

seeing what is happening in areas related to aviation

That's it! against the background of how the largest flooding was drowned, a spacecraft was drilled, etc., it’s not so difficult to believe that they hadn’t twisted something or put it wrong on the plane.

[Fungus]

So you have already blamed your engineers and technicians before the result of the investigation.

[prior]

Not a joke.
During the acceptance of the product, the VP representative asks: "Why is there no grower installed here?"
Our young process engineer asks in response: "What is a grower?"
Silent scene ...
I personally attended.
In fairness, there was no grower for CD.

[Nitochkin]

And they asked the young man, what is a spring washer? In GOST, there is no word "grover" on spring washers. And he is not obliged to work with a professional hairdryer.

[prior]

So I say: there is a railway station, but there is no word in the dictionary.

[Nitochkin]

Quote: prior

So I say: there is a railway station, but there is no word in the dictionary.

Dictionary S. Ozhegova to help you.

[crest]

I agree, our aircraft and our specialists should check everything. The Egyptians benefit from this version, since we will have to compensate for the loss, if the pilot is guilty, then they will buy a fighter for their money.

[milton]

[Quote] [/ quote]
So they and the plane at Sinai itself exploded, what can I say .....

[Sergey Pavlov]

"I will not be surprised" and "blame" are not actually interconnected in any way, if that.

[Oden280]

The biggest technical mistake is a dumb Arab in the cockpit and a camel driver as a technician. Those who communicate with Arab technical experts will understand.

[Waldemar]

The control system he has with duplication. Just why she all abruptly became faulty and raises questions.

[Random]

Quote: Valdemar

Control system with duplication

They are all duplicated or redundant.
I give a link to the "movie" ... probably because of the "normal aviation vocabulary" the moderators constantly remove it:
wassat:

[ltc35]

That's it! It is too early to draw conclusions until they have deciphered the readings of the recorder. To drop everything on our MiG is the simplest thing to admit to a mistake.

[tomket]

Quote: ltc35

That's it! It is too early to draw conclusions until they have deciphered the readings of the recorder. To drop everything on our MiG is the simplest thing to admit to a mistake.

Well, then apparently read the report of the pilot, and made a conclusion. In principle, it is clear that if the plane ceased to obey the handles, then most likely this is a loss of control, and not getting into a paralyzing UFO beam. The fact that MiGs have a problem with EDSU, which caused the disaster in 2014 and that the Indians complained about, is not news. However, Su-shek has similar problems.

[Waldemar]

Loss of control is a statement of fact, not a cause. The loss of control should have such a reason, and the pilot can only say that he lost control. Apparently the MiGs have a weak spot that can be used like this to push through their contracts for the supply of aircraft. After all, they have copies of MiGs. And we do not have a single western aircraft most likely in such a collection. Well, to know which hose to cut. Because such accidents usually coincide with a knock on the door of a representative of a Western concern

[Random]

Quote: Valdemar

Loss of control is a statement of fact, not a cause

Not true !!!
A catastrophe or accident is a FACT, but the REASON may be, as a version or assumption, the failure of KUS-941.

Quote: Valdemar

Well, to know which hose to cut.

Where ..... in analog-to-digital computers?
Do you know what pressure in HS and BC? And that the hoses are "reinforced"? ... "" Cut ".. get tired
Do not confuse with ... a car

[wax]

Each fact has a different fact as the reason. In the fact of the disaster, the cause indicated the loss of control, but what, in this case, was the reason for the loss of control?

[Random]

Quote: Wax

Each fact has a different fact as the reason.

The same is a little wrong, even when there is a fact, the reason is already caused by the presence..factor a

Quote: Wax

but what, then, was the reason for the loss of control?

But this is exactly what the decoding of the recorders and the investigation of the commission will show ... factors can be ... "sea", from suddenness by physiologists to technical defects and malfunctions

[Random]

Quote: tomket

caused a disaster in 2014

In 2014, there was a defect in the folding mechanism of the wing ... all the more so when withdrawing from a dive .... do you think you can get out of this situation when your wing is destroyed?
In the "horizon" you can try .... but ....., although history knows examples both here and there

[servla]

the MiG has a fourfold EDSU reservation. It is unlikely that the failure occurred there. But I wouldn't be surprised if a technical malfunction was the cause of the accident. We do it "satisfactorily".

[Jack O'Neill]

Well, aircraft technology is difficult, but it is difficult for a complex technology to break down.
We are waiting for the end of the investigation and clarification / confirmation of the reason (s).

[Nitochkin]

Of course, a malfunction in the control system. The Egyptian gasket between the controls and the pilot's seat broke.

[aszzz888]

... a ball on our field ... wait for the answer of OUR specialists ...

[nafanal]

In fact, all systems on the MiG are duplicated. Really, everything failed immediately

[Random]

Quote: Nathanael

In fact, all systems on the MiG are duplicated

This is not a panacea for all troubles ... the reason for the failure of the KSU can be any and all 4 "channels" "take off".
True, "Rita" at the same time yells on the air and at the RP you can immediately hear

[ANCIENT]

The Egyptians are an interested party, their opinion will be biased, in fact by bargaining, to lower prices for components, therefore, only an official and joint communiqué following an investigation of a state of emergency can give an answer to the question what exactly was the fault of the accident.

[crest]

That is how it should be. If an American plane crashes somewhere, then their specialists, after a couple of hours already in the country of the operator and very thoroughly and thoroughly examine everything, without their signature, the versions remain just versions.

[bald]

I must say right away that this is indisputably OKB MIG - it’s not something there in a glass. Did and do (are developing). The question of the quality of the supplied product is not even appropriate for this prestige. Naturally, the technique tends to break, even a new one. Comrade case - somehow it’s not in the subject. Sherchel la fam. The reason is there for them. I don’t shift from a sick head.

[wicked pinnochio]

Earlier in Soviet times, all the plants were doing according to GOST, and violation of the GOST was punishable by a criminal offense.

[Waldemar]

Now the military acceptance has been returned to the factories. A fleet of machines updated. It is unlikely that the quality problem is directly

[APASUS]

It has been proven hundreds of times that in almost 80% of disasters, the main reason is the human factor, but here it makes no sense to comment on the words of the Egyptians, we are waiting for the results of the investigation

[NN52]

There are many options for this case. And the migration of birds, too, has not been canceled ...
As an option. Let's look at the investigation of the commission.

[Altona]

Knowing the incredible training and competence of the Egyptian military, one wonders how this pilot still found the ejection button, which, however, does not cancel the technical factor.

[Piramidon]

And the reasons are called not the error of the Egyptian pilot, but the technical malfunction of the aircraft.

Perhaps the mistake of the Egyptian techie.

[501Legion]

Well, to continue the question. if the reason is in the plane and its serviceability. So Russia will have to put a new one?

[crest]

That's right, the supply contract is in the initial stage.

[Old26]

Quote: Nitochkin

And he is not obliged to work on a professional hair dryer.

So what is he then a professional engineer-technologist, since for him a "professional fenya" is something beyond?
I began my career as a training master at the department at the Polytechnic. In those years, there was a fashion for glass boards (classic ones were replaced with glass ones). We mount such a board somehow, and to help us, the training foremen and laboratory assistants were given several students, incl. and one excellent student who in the future was supposed to remain at the department. My colleague turns and says to this "future teacher" - "Give the pliers." He blankly looks first at my colleague, then at the instrument spread out on the table. Colleague, little beast - "Yes, give me the pliers." The reaction is the same. I finally broke down and said - "Yes, shiny, with blue handles" (they were chrome-plated with insulating blue handles. "Then he gave it. And this was already a third-year student. if for him the name of the instrument is dark wood.
As in the example, not knowing what a grower is to an engineer is nonsense. He must simply own professional jargon ...

[bogart047]

either an Arab mechanic with crooked hands, or a pilot arab with crooked hands. They are all not very there.

[Waldemar]

Arab is Arab ..

[123456789]

In order to exclude such jambs in the future, it is necessary to conclude all contracts with training: both pilots and aviation specialists.

[Random]

Quote: 123456789

it is necessary to conclude all contracts with training: both pilots and aviation specialists.

Be surprised, but ... this is always done when a buyer purchases from us equipment that is not in her arsenal ... that is airplanes, that helicopters.
Retrained either in the LII, or in the pulp and paper mill and PLC of the aviation branches, or directly at the plant (as in Rostvertol)