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The Egyptian side told about the working version of the causes of the accident MiG-29

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News coming from Egypt about the collapse of the MiG-29, do not give reason for optimism. Reported on the causes of the accident of the Russian fighter, which was transferred to the Egyptian side under the contract in the current year. And the reasons are not called the error of the Egyptian pilot, and the technical malfunction of the aircraft.


The Egyptian side told about the working version of the causes of the accident MiG-29


A technical malfunction is declared by the representative of the Egyptian Air Force, to which it refers RIA News.

The material of the information agency stated that the cause of the crash were problems in the management system. On what basis such conclusions are made, not reported.

Recall that the reports of the accident fighter MiG-29M came from Egypt the day before. Representatives of the United Aircraft Corporation immediately stated that they were flying to Cairo to find out the causes of the accident on the spot. This was stated even before the Egyptian side actually accused the Russian manufacturer of having problems with the control system during the execution of a training flight.

It should be added that the pilot of the MiG-29M Egyptian Air Force ejected. In the Egyptian media claim that it is an experienced pilot.

Light on the causes of the crash will shed deciphering the flight recorders of the 4 Russian fighter of the Egyptian Air Force.
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  1. Sergey Pavlov
    Sergey Pavlov 4 November 2018 06: 22
    +7
    It seems of course to believe that the plane was technically sound and the cause of the accident is different. But, seeing what is happening in areas related to aviation, I won’t be surprised if their engineers or technicians screwed up there again. However, let's wait for the results of the investigation ..
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 4 November 2018 07: 01
      +8
      Quote: Sergey Pavlov
      let's wait for the results of the investigation ..

      let's
      Quote: Sergey Pavlov
      seeing what is happening in areas related to aviation

      That's it! against the background of how the largest flooding was drowned, a spacecraft was drilled, etc., it’s not so difficult to believe that they hadn’t twisted something or put it wrong on the plane.
    2. Fungus
      Fungus 4 November 2018 07: 33
      +1
      So you have already blamed your engineers and technicians before the result of the investigation.
      1. prior
        prior 4 November 2018 09: 31
        +6
        Not a joke.
        During the acceptance of the product, the VP representative asks: "Why is there no grower installed here?"
        Our young process engineer asks in response: "What is a grower?"
        Silent scene ...
        I personally attended.
        In fairness, there was no grower for CD.
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 4 November 2018 10: 43
          +5
          And they asked the young man, what is a spring washer? In GOST, there is no word "grover" on spring washers. And he is not obliged to work with a professional hairdryer.
          1. prior
            prior 4 November 2018 12: 18
            +3
            So I say: there is a railway station, but there is no word in the dictionary.
            1. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 4 November 2018 15: 13
              0
              Quote: prior
              So I say: there is a railway station, but there is no word in the dictionary.

              Dictionary S. Ozhegova to help you.
      2. crest
        crest 4 November 2018 11: 59
        +1
        I agree, our aircraft and our specialists should check everything. The Egyptians benefit from this version, since we will have to compensate for the loss, if the pilot is guilty, then they will buy a fighter for their money.
        1. milton
          milton 4 November 2018 12: 59
          +2
          [Quote] [/ quote]
          So they and the plane at Sinai itself exploded, what can I say ..... negative
      3. Sergey Pavlov
        Sergey Pavlov 4 November 2018 14: 37
        +1
        "I will not be surprised" and "blame" are not actually interconnected in any way, if that.
    3. Oden280
      Oden280 4 November 2018 09: 28
      +8
      The biggest technical mistake is a dumb Arab in the cockpit and a camel driver as a technician. Those who communicate with Arab technical experts will understand.
    4. Waldemar
      Waldemar 4 November 2018 16: 05
      0
      The control system he has with duplication. Just why she all abruptly became faulty and raises questions.
      1. Random
        Random 4 November 2018 19: 51
        0
        Quote: Valdemar
        Control system with duplication

        They are all duplicated or redundant.
        I give a link to the "movie" ... probably because of the "normal aviation vocabulary" the moderators constantly remove it:
        wassat:
  2. ltc35
    ltc35 4 November 2018 06: 22
    +10
    That's it! It is too early to draw conclusions until they have deciphered the readings of the recorder. To drop everything on our MiG is the simplest thing to admit to a mistake.
    1. tomket
      tomket 4 November 2018 12: 17
      +3
      Quote: ltc35
      That's it! It is too early to draw conclusions until they have deciphered the readings of the recorder. To drop everything on our MiG is the simplest thing to admit to a mistake.

      Well, then apparently read the report of the pilot, and made a conclusion. In principle, it is clear that if the plane ceased to obey the handles, then most likely this is a loss of control, and not getting into a paralyzing UFO beam. The fact that MiGs have a problem with EDSU, which caused the disaster in 2014 and that the Indians complained about, is not news. However, Su-shek has similar problems.
      1. Waldemar
        Waldemar 4 November 2018 16: 18
        0
        Loss of control is a statement of fact, not a cause. The loss of control should have such a reason, and the pilot can only say that he lost control. Apparently the MiGs have a weak spot that can be used like this to push through their contracts for the supply of aircraft. After all, they have copies of MiGs. And we do not have a single western aircraft most likely in such a collection. Well, to know which hose to cut. Because such accidents usually coincide with a knock on the door of a representative of a Western concern
        1. Random
          Random 4 November 2018 19: 58
          -1
          Quote: Valdemar
          Loss of control is a statement of fact, not a cause

          Not true !!! soldier
          A catastrophe or accident is a FACT, but the REASON may be, as a version or assumption, the failure of KUS-941.
          Quote: Valdemar
          Well, to know which hose to cut.

          Where ..... in analog-to-digital computers? belay
          Do you know what pressure in HS and BC? And that the hoses are "reinforced"? ... "" Cut ".. get tired wassat
          Do not confuse with ... a car wassat
          1. wax
            wax 5 November 2018 13: 36
            0
            Each fact has a different fact as the reason. In the fact of the disaster, the cause indicated the loss of control, but what, in this case, was the reason for the loss of control?
            1. Random
              Random 5 November 2018 13: 51
              0
              Quote: Wax
              Each fact has a different fact as the reason.

              The same is a little wrong, even when there is a fact, the reason is already caused by the presence..factor a wink
              Quote: Wax
              but what, then, was the reason for the loss of control?

              But this is exactly what the decoding of the recorders and the investigation of the commission will show ... factors can be ... "sea", from suddenness by physiologists to technical defects and malfunctions soldier
      2. Random
        Random 4 November 2018 19: 54
        0
        Quote: tomket
        caused a disaster in 2014

        In 2014, there was a defect in the folding mechanism of the wing ... all the more so when withdrawing from a dive .... do you think you can get out of this situation when your wing is destroyed?
        In the "horizon" you can try .... but ....., although history knows examples both here and there soldier
      3. servla
        servla 5 November 2018 21: 46
        0
        the MiG has a fourfold EDSU reservation. It is unlikely that the failure occurred there. But I wouldn't be surprised if a technical malfunction was the cause of the accident. We do it "satisfactorily".
  3. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 4 November 2018 06: 26
    +3
    Well, aircraft technology is difficult, but it is difficult for a complex technology to break down.
    We are waiting for the end of the investigation and clarification / confirmation of the reason (s).
  4. Nitochkin
    Nitochkin 4 November 2018 06: 37
    +2
    Of course, a malfunction in the control system. The Egyptian gasket between the controls and the pilot's seat broke.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 November 2018 06: 52
    +3
    ... a ball on our field ... wait for the answer of OUR specialists ...
  6. nafanal
    nafanal 4 November 2018 07: 21
    +3
    In fact, all systems on the MiG are duplicated. Really, everything failed immediately
    1. Random
      Random 4 November 2018 20: 01
      0
      Quote: Nathanael
      In fact, all systems on the MiG are duplicated

      This is not a panacea for all troubles ... the reason for the failure of the KSU can be any and all 4 "channels" "take off".
      True, "Rita" at the same time yells on the air and at the RP you can immediately hear soldier
  7. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 4 November 2018 07: 45
    +2
    The Egyptians are an interested party, their opinion will be biased, in fact by bargaining, to lower prices for components, therefore, only an official and joint communiqué following an investigation of a state of emergency can give an answer to the question what exactly was the fault of the accident.
    1. crest
      crest 4 November 2018 13: 11
      +2
      That is how it should be. If an American plane crashes somewhere, then their specialists, after a couple of hours already in the country of the operator and very thoroughly and thoroughly examine everything, without their signature, the versions remain just versions.
  8. bald
    bald 4 November 2018 08: 19
    +2
    I must say right away that this is indisputably OKB MIG - it’s not something there in a glass. Did and do (are developing). The question of the quality of the supplied product is not even appropriate for this prestige. Naturally, the technique tends to break, even a new one. Comrade case - somehow it’s not in the subject. Sherchel la fam. The reason is there for them. I don’t shift from a sick head.
  9. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 4 November 2018 09: 48
    +1
    Earlier in Soviet times, all the plants were doing according to GOST, and violation of the GOST was punishable by a criminal offense.
    1. Waldemar
      Waldemar 4 November 2018 16: 24
      -1
      Now the military acceptance has been returned to the factories. A fleet of machines updated. It is unlikely that the quality problem is directly
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 4 November 2018 09: 58
    +2
    It has been proven hundreds of times that in almost 80% of disasters, the main reason is the human factor, but here it makes no sense to comment on the words of the Egyptians, we are waiting for the results of the investigation
    1. NN52
      NN52 4 November 2018 10: 16
      +4
      There are many options for this case. And the migration of birds, too, has not been canceled ...
      As an option. Let's look at the investigation of the commission.
  11. Altona
    Altona 4 November 2018 10: 35
    0
    Knowing the incredible training and competence of the Egyptian military, one wonders how this pilot still found the ejection button, which, however, does not cancel the technical factor.
  12. Piramidon
    Piramidon 4 November 2018 11: 15
    +1
    And the reasons are called not the error of the Egyptian pilot, but the technical malfunction of the aircraft.

    Perhaps the mistake of the Egyptian techie.
  13. 501Legion
    501Legion 4 November 2018 11: 15
    +1
    Well, to continue the question. if the reason is in the plane and its serviceability. So Russia will have to put a new one?
    1. crest
      crest 4 November 2018 13: 03
      0
      That's right, the supply contract is in the initial stage.
  14. Old26
    Old26 4 November 2018 12: 24
    +5
    Quote: Nitochkin
    And he is not obliged to work on a professional hair dryer.

    So what is he then a professional engineer-technologist, since for him a "professional fenya" is something beyond?
    I began my career as a training master at the department at the Polytechnic. In those years, there was a fashion for glass boards (classic ones were replaced with glass ones). We mount such a board somehow, and to help us, the training foremen and laboratory assistants were given several students, incl. and one excellent student who in the future was supposed to remain at the department. My colleague turns and says to this "future teacher" - "Give the pliers." He blankly looks first at my colleague, then at the instrument spread out on the table. Colleague, little beast - "Yes, give me the pliers." The reaction is the same. I finally broke down and said - "Yes, shiny, with blue handles" (they were chrome-plated with insulating blue handles. "Then he gave it. And this was already a third-year student. if for him the name of the instrument is dark wood.
    As in the example, not knowing what a grower is to an engineer is nonsense. He must simply own professional jargon ...
  15. bogart047
    bogart047 4 November 2018 13: 39
    -2
    either an Arab mechanic with crooked hands, or a pilot arab with crooked hands. They are all not very there.
    1. Waldemar
      Waldemar 4 November 2018 16: 25
      -2
      Arab is Arab ..
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  17. 123456789
    123456789 4 November 2018 17: 54
    0
    In order to exclude such jambs in the future, it is necessary to conclude all contracts with training: both pilots and aviation specialists.
    1. Random
      Random 4 November 2018 22: 38
      0
      Quote: 123456789
      it is necessary to conclude all contracts with training: both pilots and aviation specialists.

      Be surprised, but ... this is always done when a buyer purchases from us equipment that is not in her arsenal ... that is airplanes, that helicopters. wink
      Retrained either in the LII, or in the pulp and paper mill and PLC of the aviation branches, or directly at the plant (as in Rostvertol) soldier