What prevents to raise floating PD-50. On the results of the work of divers

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In the media, information appeared about the damage sustained by the floating dock PD-50, where the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser was being repaired. Recall that float sank after a failure of the pumps, caused by problems with the supply of electricity. The Murmansk region covered the elements, there was sticking of sleet on the power lines, which caused numerous precipices. These factors are officially named the causes of problems with the supply of electricity at the ship repair plant and the termination of the pumps.

Water, rushing into PD-50 tanks, led to the flooding of one of the largest floats in the world.



What prevents to raise floating PD-50. On the results of the work of divers


Recall that the Minister of Industry of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov on Thursday said that the decision whether or not to raise the float would be made in the “next two days”. Today is the last day, based on the statement of the Minister.

Meanwhile, in the media there were reports that there is a high probability of failure to lift the floating dock. The fact is that divers, who for the last few days have been investigating the state of PD-50, have established the presence of numerous damages. So, the news agency Interfax, referring to unnamed sources, reports that the hull body of a bald spot was badly damaged when hitting the ground during flooding. The irretrievable loss of two floating dock tower cranes is noted.

At the same time, it is added that now the possibility of buying an analogue of PD-50, rather than lifting the sunken dock, is being considered. However, there is no information as to who the float of such dimensions can be ordered, and how long it may take to implement the project.

Recall that earlier in the United Shipbuilding Corporation announced the absence of the impact of the accident with PD-50 on the planned repair work TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov." Then it turned out that the aircraft-carrying cruiser received serious damage as a result of the fall of the tower crane. A 5-meter hole in the hull and violation of the integrity of the deck of the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy was announced.

As a supplement: in the course of diving work, it was established that PD-50 is inclined. One of its parts is located at a depth of 10 m, the other is near 30. In this case, the float is at the bottom on the very edge of the pit, about a hundred meters deep. When working on the elevation of PD-50, there is a danger that the float into this pit in the water area of ​​the ship repair plant No. XXUMX will slip and “carry” equipment that can be used during lifting. To date, the air bubble, which has formed in the upper part of the floating dock, prevents the slide.
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  1. +28
    3 November 2018 08: 38
    ... and floatdock bye-bye, and Kuzyu pushed right to repair specifically ...
    1. +24
      3 November 2018 08: 42
      But is it not a diversion ....
      1. +16
        3 November 2018 08: 46
        ... specialists work, but the emphasis is still on the weather, in the article at least ... although why did the equipment cope earlier, but this time it failed? request ... many questions ...
        1. +54
          3 November 2018 08: 49
          although why did the equipment cope before, but this time failed?

          the floating dock should not depend on interruptions in electricity, either stupidity and sloppiness, or sabotage
          1. +2
            3 November 2018 08: 51

            Gorjelin (Eugene) Today, 08: 49 NEW
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            although why did the equipment cope before, but this time failed?

            the floating dock should not depend on interruptions in electricity,

            .... this is my deep conviction, but .... look at the conclusions of the commission, if voiced of course ...
            1. +3
              3 November 2018 15: 29
              The sabotage (if it was) will not be confirmed, it will be classified. Most likely they will leave everything as it is - bad weather. Only recently on "Zvezda" was told about a series of explosions on gas pipelines in the 80s of the last century. And that most of them were sabotage. But then there was generally silence about explosions, and even more so about sabotage.
              1. +32
                3 November 2018 16: 08
                Yes, what a diversion that you retell stupid things. This is not a diversion, it’s just a degradation of production capacities and production culture, that’s all. You do not live in the USSR, but in a country undergoing a massive regression.
                1. +4
                  3 November 2018 18: 13
                  Keep crying , unfortunately, not having "official publications" I can not post the available information "first hand" belay ... But those who with brains can already compare 2 + 2, namely, "they dropped part of the Soyuz rocket during transportation," they hammered the sensor upside down, which led to the failure of the Proton rocket, they did not assemble the Soyuz and it collapsed after not separating 1 stage SPACE!!!! , and the level of degradation in other areas is even higher.
                  I am glad that in the nuclear industry for the whole nightmare and - while ugh ugh to do without the same "accidents". But here it is rather the case that our "accidents" will be equal - Chernobyl or Fukushima, and everything "small" is noticed under the secrecy label.
                  1. +1
                    4 November 2018 16: 28
                    It’s not as simple as you say, because assembling a launch vehicle is not assembling a coal car, other criteria for personnel and components, but constant monitoring and checks .. Why did all control checks go through a sensor clogged with a hammer upside down, this is a question for security agencies by personnel ... It is not surprising when journalists like Rogozin manage from space to underwater scientific fields (possibly for industry failures) - what to expect from mendel and their appointed personnel, they can only advertise iPhones ...
                    1. +1
                      4 November 2018 16: 33
                      I will only repeat what has been said, in our nuclear industry "minor" accidents are swept up "under the rug", and only the level of Chernobyl or Fokushima will come out. Such trifles as the "collapse of the union" in the nuclear industry are also swept under the rug, the secrecy is too high. But the lack of publicity does not give the slightest reason to think that "everything is fine" and not like in other areas, unfortunately. negative
                    2. 0
                      4 November 2018 23: 16
                      Quote: Vladimir 5
                      It’s not as simple as you say, because assembly of a launch vehicle is not an assembly of a coal car, other criteria for personnel and components, but constant monitoring and verification.

                      Heh, do you know what they said in Roskosmos? That assembly is not your standard. Variations are possible so to speak. You see something didn’t enter and it was slightly hammered. Sledgehammer. And they also smeared to make it better.
                2. +12
                  3 November 2018 18: 14
                  Comrade Stalin said exhaustively:
                  1. +2
                    4 November 2018 21: 42
                    This is not Stalin, this Kaganovich said, Commissar of Communications. fellow
                3. +6
                  4 November 2018 03: 49
                  Donetsk.
                  Every accident and disaster has its own name, surname and position! Behind the "degradation of production capacities" is often hidden an evil active will to cultivate this degradation and masking by the degradation of classical sabotage. From the same category as the explosion of the battleship Novorosiysk, the liquidation of unique production facilities immediately after the collapse of the Union, the accident of the Soyuz rocket (also supposedly "slovenliness and negligence"), the disruption of the program of resuming the production of gas turbines, when turbines like on the way, but there are no reducers for them and there is no one to do - also "sloppiness" and "degradation"?
                  No - this is Sabotage and deliberate DIVERSION.
                  Those guilty of this kind and scale of "deeds" went in the bygone (more glorious) years to be shot, and those who saw this and did not take action - as accomplices.
                  1. +2
                    4 November 2018 10: 00
                    It is unlikely that the FSB’s sabotage would be requested. It’s just like everywhere else around the country there is an organized mess and no one is responsible for anything. Was the floating dock interestingly insured?
                    1. +4
                      4 November 2018 17: 01
                      Losses such as PD-50 do not fit into any framework, only as a deliberate strategic sabotage calculated at a high level. A floating dock, not a boat, it takes time to flood, but quickly flood with an accident, pre-created conditions are already needed .. The reason for the power outage is "food" for the people ... When the TAKR was withdrawn, ALL services were present, but the accident occurred, possibly initially calculated and flooded the aircraft carrier ... When 9 billion cash is found at the main fighter of the Ministry of Internal Affairs against departmental corruption, it becomes clear that the last foundations of statehood with all further derivatives have been destroyed ... It's high time to sound the alarm, but who ??? ...
                  2. +3
                    4 November 2018 16: 37
                    This is a classic "fall of the empire" when the Owned Head began to rot, when the Above ceased to strictly control and punish the "middle link", hitting "debauchery and money-grubbing". And then "decay" reached the bottom, somewhere through underfunding, somewhere in the form of mutually exclusive instructions from above, somewhere in the gradual degradation of personnel. Yes, globally it can be called Sabotage, but not Sabotage. Sabotage is deliberate destruction, and these geeks at the top of the pyramid are just thieves and bastards, nothing more, they have no desire to destroy. though they only steal. Yes, the consequences of this are even worse, but this is clearly not intentional for a long time. "mentally healthy - just".
                4. -3
                  4 November 2018 08: 18
                  Urya, it’s easier for patriots to believe in superpower laughing
                5. 0
                  13 November 2018 20: 52
                  Everything is much simpler. Moscow Region announces a tender, the plant is trying to get hold of everything. What can. Including solarium and more. Here, many shout degradation sabotage. Everything is simpler. We want reliability., Reservation, then this must be paid. And if the customer does not want? Or pays incompatible pennies? That will save on everything.
          2. +63
            3 November 2018 09: 16
            This is type, saving. During critical operations, such as immersion and ascent, it must be powered from autonomous power sources, and even with redundancy. But this is a living diesel fuel, money again ... Only here it is incomparable with the cost of a unique dock and especially a warship.
            But, our effective managers are desperate guys! Without understanding anything except money for themselves, they are ready to take risks, as if losing roulette aircraft carriers and docks! And what - not theirs, and not built on their money!
            1. +21
              3 November 2018 09: 47
              Quote: faterdom
              During critical operations, such as immersion and ascent, it must be powered from autonomous power sources, and even with redundancy. But this is a living diesel fuel, money again ...

              Yesterday I read the opinion
              https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4558015.html

              The prerequisite for the accident was indeed a power supply problem, however, the dock did not switch to its own power supply, as the PD-50 motor team was reduced and no fuel was purchased for diesel generators.


              In the old days, it might not have happened as a sabotage, if the data are confirmed, then it’s for sure how wrecking. With all the consequences am
            2. SSR
              +3
              3 November 2018 10: 25
              Quote: faterdom
              aircraft carriers cruisers

              + comrade! It hurts the ear when journalists write like this
              Declared 5-meter hole in the hull and violation of the integrity of the deck the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy.

              We do not have a full-fledged aircraft carrier, we have an aircraft carrier Cruiser, which is precisely why it can pass through the Bosphorus and there are no aircraft carriers.
              1. +1
                3 November 2018 13: 04
                It seems that an agreement on the strait has already been discussed here, there are no restrictions for aircraft carriers there
                1. SSR
                  +2
                  3 November 2018 15: 23
                  Quote: KERMET
                  It seems that an agreement on the strait has already been discussed here, there are no restrictions for aircraft carriers there

                  I do not know what has changed but it was so. There were other nuances, sampling must be done.

                  The order of passage through the Black Sea straits of warships regulated by articles 8-22 of the Convention. From appendix IV to the Convention on the regime of straits, it can be seen that ships of any class (i.e., aircraft carriers) can be in the fleets of the Black Sea states. At the time of passage of the straits, it is forbidden to perform flights of aircraft on board ships.

                  Non-Black Sea countries are allowed to navigate through straits into the Black Sea only light surface ships and auxiliary vessels with a displacement of one ship of not more than 10000 tons.
                  The total displacement of the squad of ships at the time of passage of the straits should not exceed 15000t. and their passage is permitted only in the daytime.
                  Non-Black Sea states are not entitled to introduce aircraft carriers and submarines into the Black Sea. The total tonnage of the squadron of warships of non-Black Sea countries located in the Black Sea should not exceed 45000 tons.
              2. 0
                4 November 2018 23: 19
                Quote from S.S.R.
                We do not have a full-fledged aircraft carrier, we have an aircraft carrier Cruiser, which is precisely why it can pass through the Bosphorus and there are no aircraft carriers.

                By the way, the contract was written when there were no aircraft carriers
            3. +14
              3 November 2018 11: 00
              Quote: faterdom
              But, our effective managers are desperate guys! Without understanding anything except money for themselves, they are ready to take risks, as if losing roulette aircraft carriers and docks! And what - not theirs, and not built on their money!

              So take them for a stronger Faberge, these oilmen who have taken on shipbuilding. And to force not just to restore everything at their own expense, but also to build a new dock. And under an article like "sabotage" or "treason to the Motherland" so that the rest of the "managers" were discouraged ...
              1. +6
                3 November 2018 14: 29
                Respected! Alas, the reality is that the entire nation is a labor force to fill the oligarchs' money. Anyway, the state removes 72 percent. By collecting from oil - do you think that someone will present "sabotage" to someone?
              2. +2
                3 November 2018 17: 38
                For the effective, the most terrible accusation is of inefficiency, and not of treason to "some Motherland", which is unknown where else. To lose profit or money of the "common fund" is yes. And this - well, okay. Even in the totalitarian Soviet Socialist Republic the nomenklatura, no matter what business fails, will be "transferred to another job." So here too - the guilty person will change to the members of the board of directors of some bank. And some Ch. Will go to jail. engineer with Ch. technologist. A Ch. the constructor will testify.
                1. -1
                  4 November 2018 01: 41
                  Quote from Wikipedia:
                  the previously disbanded Italian Xª MAS was involved in the flooding of the Soviet battleship Novorossiysk in 1955, after eight combat swimmers, who performed Italian missions and acted on behalf of NATO, installed charges on the keel of the ship.
            4. +1
              3 November 2018 13: 12
              Quote: faterdom
              But, our effective managers are desperate guys! Without understanding anything except money for themselves, they are ready to take risks, as if losing roulette aircraft carriers and docks! And what - not theirs, and not built on their money!

              So after all, they have not received responsibility for the disaster, but have already received bonuses and thanks for optimizing.
              1. +2
                4 November 2018 03: 16
                Find those who made managerial decisions to reduce the motor team in the floating dock, those who were involved in servicing diesel generators and buying fuel for them, those who were responsible for the actions of forces and means in unforeseen situations. And all these persons - to hard labor. For oil industry workers (who know how to pump free oil, but who don’t know how to produce something cooler than a pump and especially maintain shipbuilding equipment), they are forced to pay for the construction of a new dock, excluding forfeit for an easy repair Kuzi, under pain of withdrawing a license.
                Eh ... where are you, Comrade Stalin?
          3. +26
            3 November 2018 10: 35
            Quote: Gorjelin
            the floating dock should not depend on interruptions in electricity, either stupidity and sloppiness, or sabotage

            This is the stupidity of the new owners of the plant, which is even worse than sabotage, called - "production optimization". First of all, the comrades from Rosneft, after the privatization of the shipyard, reduced part of the personnel, which included the dock machine crew. And even in this situation it was possible to save the dock, because even emergency batches from the ship under repair could have started the diesel engines and connected the generators, but the "efficient managers" decided to "save big" and refused to buy diesel fuel for the dock's diesel generators.
            1. +8
              3 November 2018 11: 21
              "efficient managers" decided to "save big" and refused to purchase diesel fuel for the dock's diesel generators.

              this is a classic wrecking, the whole leadership, and not only the posts, but also the terms, should be responsible for this.
            2. 0
              3 November 2018 14: 33
              No doubt. In such cases, multiple redundancy is the ABC. Theft is evident.
              1. +2
                3 November 2018 18: 24
                Quote: kuznec
                Theft is evident.
                If hard worker took something - theft. And if top - This is an effective management.
            3. +2
              3 November 2018 17: 06
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              First of all, the comrades from Rosneft, after the privatization of the shipyard, reduced part of the personnel, which included the dock machine crew.

              this is sabotage disguised as "economics"
          4. +1
            3 November 2018 11: 27
            [quoteIt is possible at a power surge I admit that the coils on the pump starters burned out, they themselves e. the engines are protected by thermal protection, if it was of course in working condition. Perhaps the coil of the solenoid valves on the filling of the tanks burned up. But why didn’t the valves manually close this question? ] [/ quote] [/ quote]
            1. +3
              3 November 2018 13: 22
              Quote: Grigory B
              But why didn’t they close the valves manually? This is a question?

              I agree with you. And not even a question, but a bunch of questions. In general, manual closing of kingstones in the event of a failure of the electric drive was provided? Or there was a constructive flaw. If there was such an opportunity, maybe it's a jamb of the dock team (confused in an emergency)? Why, in general, filling ballast tanks leads to flooding of the dock, and not to flooding with some limiting values? Of course, I am an amateur in this area, but nothing is clear from the explanations given at the moment on how this could have happened.
              1. +2
                3 November 2018 14: 19
                Quote: Full name
                Why, in general, filling ballast tanks leads to flooding of the dock, and not to flooding with some limiting values?

                If all tanks are filled at once, this is one thing, and if part is filled and part is not, then another. It seems to me that this happened and the dock warped.
          5. +1
            3 November 2018 11: 36
            They drowned such a necessary box.
            Who's guilty? Who was planted? Award given? Awarded the Order?
          6. +28
            3 November 2018 14: 01
            Quote: Gorjelin
            although why did the equipment cope before, but this time failed?

            the floating dock should not depend on interruptions in electricity, either stupidity and sloppiness, or sabotage

            Well, appointments for related and other reasons independent of abilities, reasons (failed here, change your portfolio and manage further) should finally prove itself. The diversion, yes, in our Roskosmos, judging by the latest incidents, there are only saboteurs. Although the technique there is more complicated, the first one fell down, where it is thinner (in the sense of more complicated) there it breaks in the first place. Here it must be recognized that the predicted by many, the exhaustion of the safety margin of the USSR inheritance (technical, personnel) has ended. And ahead of us are really waiting for the years of breakthroughs promised by Mr. Putin, as well as destruction, drowning, fires, which, incidentally, Mr. Putin decided not to report, limited to some breakthroughs.
            Source "Free Press":
            "On the night of March 12, 2018 in Vladivostok, in the Golden Horn Bay, the floating dock PD-32 suddenly sank together with a tugboat standing in it for repair. The ship was rescued at the last moment, but the dock was on the ground. reports that in the pursuit of profit, the dock tenant “reduced” his team to such limits that there was no one to ensure the safe operation of the PD-32.
            September 19 this year at the Slavic Shipyard (Primorsky Territory) broke in half and sank a rusted floating dock. At the time of the accident, it contained the Sakhalin cargo ship Vostok and BMRT Pioneer Nikolaev. The crane operator who collapsed into the water miraculously managed to escape.
            The fate of the floating dock PD-16 in the South Bay of Sevastopol is very curious. He got our country from Germany as a trophy after the Great Patriotic War. He worked a lot and gloriously for the Black Sea Fleet. In 2000, it was recklessly brought into it for repairs, just as rusty as the PD-16 itself, the B-380 "Saint George" diesel submarine of project 941 (the former "Gorky Komsomolets"). The repair was then estimated at about 1,248 billion rubles. By mid-2010, 800 million had been disbursed. And then it turned out that there was no way to get back the "St. George" from the dock. If it is submerged to bring the ship out into the water, the finally leaky PD-16 will never surface again.
            And this disgrace stands in the middle of the Sevastopol Bay - in a scaffolding a rusty submarine in a rusty dock. And what to do with them - no one knows.
            Alas, to some extent, it looks like it's just a symbol of the current state of Russian ship repair. "

            So I’m ready to support the version: just as a consequence of stupidity and sloppiness, which hit the entire management vertical, starting with the president.
            1. 0
              4 November 2018 03: 25
              Unfortunately, it is worth recognizing that all of our ship repair and shipbuilding has already rusted all over and is slowly sinking.
          7. +2
            3 November 2018 15: 55
            Do not offend effective managers.
          8. +2
            3 November 2018 18: 09
            Quote: Gorjelin
            either stupidity and sloppiness, or sabotage

            With such a large presence of gouging, no saboteurs are needed. They themselves will kill everything and for free.
            1. 0
              4 November 2018 14: 18
              No, not free. For money and good money
        2. 0
          3 November 2018 08: 54
          We must see what is cheaper, faster and safer, raise the old one or buy / build a new one.
          1. +21
            3 November 2018 10: 26
            Quote: Andrey Vinogradov
            We must see what is cheaper, faster and safer, raise the old one or buy / build a new one.

            Without the corresponding conclusions and measures, the new dock, with a very high probability, will fall to the bottom next to the old one.
            PS "Here the whole system needs to be changed" ©. hi
            1. +1
              4 November 2018 03: 29
              Without the corresponding conclusions and measures, the new dock, with a very high probability, will fall to the bottom next to the old one.
              I agree. Do you think another team will work on the new dock? Will other people make management decisions? Will other engineers be serving?
              The most annoying thing is that workers and engineers cannot be replaced by others. Because there are simply no others - do not grow up, did not educate, did not train. But effective managers, that decisions will be made and directed just the opposite, can and should be replaced. Moreover, in recent years, universities have stamped them with thousands. But, they will not replace. For another reason - they will not be imprisoned, but awarded.
          2. +14
            3 November 2018 11: 05
            Quote: Andrey Vinogradov
            You have to look, what is cheaper, faster and safer, raise the old one or buy / build a new one

            And it would be even more effective if we first looked at the company's management: what is cheaper - to shoot them or put them in prison ...
            1. +8
              3 November 2018 12: 32
              if you first looked at the management of the company: which is cheaper - to shoot them or to plant ...


              A guide to "understand and forgive". Putting a plumber.
            2. +3
              4 November 2018 03: 34
              And it would be even more effective if we first looked at the company's management: what is cheaper - to shoot them or put them in prison ...
              It’s cheaper to put diving suits on them and send them to hook on cables and hooks. If they do not come up - and God bless them, I do not mind such clever managers. Yes, and on cartridges and prison prison you can save. If they come up, but when you lift the dock will drown anyway, then you can already shoot. How to cope with the assigned engineering task and making the wrong decisions.
              1. Egg
                +1
                4 November 2018 07: 29
                Quote: Gritsa
                Yes, and on cartridges and prison prison you can save.

                I don’t know what the savings on the balance will be, but the cartridges will be cheaper than the diving equipment that drowned along with the managers, that's for sure
              2. 0
                4 November 2018 10: 56
                Quote: Gritsa
                And it would be even more effective if we first looked at the company's management: what is cheaper - to shoot them or put them in prison ...
                It’s cheaper to put diving suits on them and send them to hook on cables and hooks. If they do not come up - and God bless them, I do not mind such clever managers. Yes, and on cartridges and prison prison you can save. If they come up, but when you lift the dock will drown anyway, then you can already shoot. How to cope with the assigned engineering task and making the wrong decisions.

                Do you know that half of the foreigners are in Rosneft's management? And what kind of flooding of the dock in the USSR would all the foreigners who participated in the leadership of the organization be sent immediately to jail !?
              3. -1
                4 November 2018 19: 25
                And in the task indicate: the collection of scrap metal, and to each declare the daily rate for signature. It is better to save this metal than to collect old headboards and washing machines.
          3. 0
            3 November 2018 14: 16
            Quote: Andrey Vinogradov
            We must see what is cheaper, faster and safer, raise the old one or buy / build a new one.

            What is needed, there are no questions about this. With the rest, in particular, repair or buy a new one, a lot of questions. I do not want to reinvent the wheel, I will give the opinion of the politician Victor Alksnis:
            “I think that lifting the dock is not the main problem. The dock was built in Sweden and all the equipment and mechanisms on it are Swedish. In connection with the sanctions, Sweden's assistance in restoring the dock is unlikely. Moreover, the dock was used by our navy. we will hardly be able to manufacture all the necessary equipment and parts for replacement on our own. And so on in many positions. "
            So maybe China, if building, will help. Probably you should not count on other options. And of course you need a dock.
            1. 0
              4 November 2018 03: 38
              We must see what is cheaper, faster and safer, raise the old one or buy / build a new one.
              More reliable (but not cheaper) is the third option. Raise a drowned dock and at the same time order the construction of a new one. Since there is no guarantee that the dock will be raised, it is still necessary; in any case, you need to buy it. And if the operation is successful, the second such dock will not hurt us. Expedite the repair of ships.
              1. +1
                4 November 2018 07: 18
                It is the third option that they will choose - unlimited possibilities of "mastering" budget funds. True, in the end it turns out that raising it is unprofitable, and the new one will be released at the price of a dozen PDs.
          4. +1
            4 November 2018 09: 00
            To build a new one is at least two or three years, plus finding a contractor who can do it physically (the device is unique) and does not rest on sanctions.
        3. +19
          3 November 2018 09: 12
          officially named the causes of problems with the supply of electricity to the shipyard and the shutdown of the pumps.

          Well, the power outage and the pumps got up. Only, structurally on suction and discharge after the pump must be shut-off valves. These valves must be closed manually. It is clear that the pumps are not in the tank, but in a separate compartment, which is not flooded. There are also shut-off valves. The equipment is responsible, so manual valve control should be! I do not believe the "official version", everything is covered in darkness.
          1. +9
            3 November 2018 16: 11
            Only on the docks there are no valves .... the clinkets there are electrically driven however. Naturally with the possibility of manual control. Both pumps and clinkets are controlled from one control panel. It’s strange that it somehow worked out there. Perhaps there were simply not enough people for this very manual control of the clinkets ... On the PD-50, the team is civil (the dock itself was like a Swedish one). Maybe they started the docking operation with an incomplete command, relied on "maybe", since (probably) there was never a blackout before. In normal mode, ascent-dive will be performed by one operator. He himself served on PD-78 (Olenya Bay, near PD-72) as a mechanic, he himself controlled the pumps, clinkets .... Of course, the dock will be "smaller", but the principles of control for ALL floating docks are the same. So everything is rather strange ..... All assumptions about what actually happened there and how the "procrastination" developed can take a long time.
            1. +1
              3 November 2018 17: 49
              Only there are no valves on the docks .... there are electrically driven clinkers there.

              Well, in my understanding, clinket is a type of valve, thanks for correcting it.
              You, as a knowledgeable person, tell me, on the PD there are seawater filters in front of the pumps? That is, if so, then there should be clinkets before and after the filters, for their periodic cleaning. I mean, if the clinket on the suction of the pump stuck, was it possible to block the clinkets on the filter?
              PS
              Thanks for the helpful comments, which are few hi
          2. +1
            3 November 2018 16: 58
            There is one lie from the very beginning. negative As in the entire management of our leaders negative
          3. +1
            4 November 2018 09: 05
            Well, a few people ran around and closed. The dock is huge, there are few people .. One has gone to the bottom in the casemates of the dock.
        4. -2
          3 November 2018 09: 19
          Quote: aszzz888
          although why did the equipment cope before, but this time failed?

          Yes, somehow the pumps can not work without email. current
        5. +5
          3 November 2018 09: 59
          Quote: Finches
          But is it not a diversion ....

          Quote: aszzz888
          ... specialists work, but the emphasis is still on the weather, in the article at least ... although why did the equipment cope earlier, but this time it failed?

          Duck went through the info, that for the purposes of ECONOMY, under capitalism, it’s just a golden rule, the team of our own diesel-electric installation was greatly reduced and all the power of the electric pumps was carried out by wires from the shore and when the shutdown happened, the remaining members of the dock team simply could not quickly start the diesel -generator. Although I think that there is still a lot of things to open if the dock is lifted. So, many of the management of the enterprise have a personal interest in not raising it.
          1. +9
            3 November 2018 12: 43
            Quote: svp67
            Duck went infa, that for the purposes of ECONOMY, under capitalism, this is just a golden rule

            Strange, but in the states (the lights of capitalism), the docks for some reason drown, and they don’t drown in Germany.
            Maybe their capitalism is not right?
            1. +4
              3 November 2018 14: 51
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: svp67
              Duck went infa, that for the purposes of ECONOMY, under capitalism, this is just a golden rule

              Strange, but in the states (the lights of capitalism), the docks for some reason drown, and they don’t drown in Germany.
              Maybe their capitalism is not right?

              If the oil platform, two shuttles and 4 reactors are normal, then yes, they have a different capitalism. In general, the process is global - from what engineers did, managers began to profit. hi
        6. 0
          3 November 2018 10: 06
          This is how much water should have entered the dock so that it would be so instantly bye-bye ... But aren't diesel generators on such a colossus provided? Tin!
        7. +2
          3 November 2018 18: 11
          specialists work ... - what specialists? - to which the bombs themselves bring to the porch or which helikes ride around the city?
      2. +5
        3 November 2018 08: 48
        Sabotage? Perhaps. But it looks like our eternal "maybe it will ride" ..
      3. -2
        3 November 2018 08: 49
        Quote: Finches
        But is this a diversion ...

        aha. Santa Claus is having fun. ice breaks power lines
        1. +8
          3 November 2018 08: 51
          And before that, the weather was always perfect in Murmansk?
          1. -2
            3 November 2018 08: 56
            Quote: Finches
            And before that, the weather was always perfect in Murmansk?

            Well, the concept of natural disaster is clearly unfamiliar to you
            Murmansk region covered by the elements there was sticking of wet snow on the power line, causing numerous cliffs.

            etozh how many saboteurs are needed. yes still throughout the region
            1. +2
              3 November 2018 13: 40
              Yes, yes, of course, you are right. Wet snow is a natural disaster for Murmansk. And never before in this region of wet snow was observed, just a natural anomaly of some kind.
            2. 0
              4 November 2018 15: 55
              It is necessary to make conductors for power lines with increased ohmic resistance, so that they "warm" themselves. wassat
          2. +15
            3 November 2018 09: 14
            For the first time it so happened that they caught it under load. Plus Rosneft - there has been a significant reduction in "salary-consuming" - as a result, the dock worked with a minimal team.
          3. +2
            3 November 2018 16: 31
            Quote: Finches
            And before that, the weather was always perfect in Murmansk?

            in the USSR, yes. (it turns out) ...
            1. -1
              3 November 2018 16: 36
              hi Yes, and during the USSR, accidents did happen ... So everything is fine - this is human life - everything cannot be foreseen! But under the USSR, it was almost impossible to carry out a sabotage, up to 87-88 years, and now come, bribe, you crap yourself .... There is no need to be an agent 007 either!
      4. +29
        3 November 2018 08: 56
        Quote: Finches
        But is it not a diversion ....

        Diversion of course! The diversion began with the fact that they forgot to bring fuel for diesel generators, that these generators did not repair Santa Claus, how many winters, the diversion is that people were reduced to a minimum on the dock. Generators did not even try to start in view of the above reasons. And so yes, winter still came unexpectedly ... It remains to be called out loud saboteurs aloud, by name and with regalia. But it will be - HE DROWNED.
        1. +13
          3 November 2018 09: 11
          Quote: Harry.km
          It remains to loudly name the saboteurs aloud, by name and with regalia. But it will be - HE DROWNED.

          They will sit with pink ears and wait for them to buy a new dock.
          They will receive it and think painfully: how to "optimize something else ...
        2. 0
          4 November 2018 16: 01
          And so yes, winter still came unexpectedly ...

          Yes, winter comes to any region unexpectedly every time. Does Fig know if he will throw in administration calendars and transport workers with housing? wink Every year, tick.
      5. +7
        3 November 2018 09: 43
        We need sabotage to smash something, destroy or flood something ?! Theft, mismanagement and incompetence are the main "saboteurs". They are trying to blame it on the weather, but it was not destiny to think about emergency power supply or the cable. I whistled and sold ?!
      6. +8
        3 November 2018 09: 53
        Rather, the result of your favorite optimization than sabotage. Minimum cost, maximum income. Aspects of rationality and necessity are not taken into account. Plus modern tribal relations. I won’t be surprised if all the persons in charge there are relatives.
      7. +10
        3 November 2018 10: 59
        Quote: Finches
        But is it not a diversion ....

        Privatizing strategic assets is a diversion.!
      8. +2
        3 November 2018 11: 14
        carelessness is sloppiness, not sabotage. with our managers saboteurs are not necessary. (remember the fire in the White Horse)
      9. +7
        3 November 2018 12: 40
        Quote: Finches
        But is it not a diversion ....

        Judging by the number of significant accidents, sabotage groups feel not just at ease, but absolutely free.
        Where is the FSB looking? belay
      10. +2
        3 November 2018 15: 24
        This is worse - it's gouging. The result is the loss of our largest floating dock. Which by the way for the USSR was built by Sweden. That is, we will either have to buy a new floating dock abroad or try to build it ourselves. Such a large structure can be built in few places - places are limited. In principle, you can lay on the Star, but again at the expense of something. In general, the situation is not pleasant.
      11. 0
        4 November 2018 02: 59
        well no. simple gouging multiplied by bad weather.
      12. +1
        4 November 2018 03: 19
        Quote: Finches
        But is it not a diversion ....

        No, this is optimization, it is now at all enterprises in Russia.
        1. 0
          4 November 2018 16: 09
          And even not only Russia. But, with Russian employees. Long ago. request
      13. +1
        4 November 2018 10: 50
        Quote: Finches
        But is it not a diversion ....


        Everything that has been going on in the country since 1993 is one continuous diversion.
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    2. 0
      3 November 2018 09: 58
      They will postpone pensions for another five years and find money to repair the rusty "Kuzi" ...
    3. 0
      3 November 2018 13: 32
      Quote: aszzz888
      and Kuzyu pushed right to repair specifically ...

      If you think about it ....
      "Kunetsov" has already left the floating dock, which means that work with the bottom has already been completed and the dock is no longer needed. And the upper deck was already turned to him (when changing boilers) and will be repaired immediately.
    4. +1
      3 November 2018 15: 42
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... and floatdock bye-bye, and Kuzyu pushed right to repair specifically ...

      I’m afraid that it’s forever. In the Russian Federation, there is one similar dock in Novorossiysk and the same age as a drowned man.
    5. 0
      3 November 2018 17: 26
      Kuze during the current repair dock is no longer needed. He was just getting out of it. But the rest of the ships - yes, it’s straight trouble.
      1. 0
        3 November 2018 22: 14
        and how many kuzia will cost without a dock?
        1. 0
          4 November 2018 09: 22
          Civil courts should be raised once every five years. I don’t know, the military may have its own rules.
          Although in the northern seas, corrosion is slower. You can add a year or two.
        2. 0
          4 November 2018 09: 25
          Until the age of 21, it is under repair (in fact, most likely longer), and then either the donkey will die or the sultan will die. They’ll come up with something. The same Chinese or Koreans can build the same dock quickly.
    6. 0
      3 November 2018 22: 59
      Quote: aszzz888
      Kuzyu pushed right to repair specifically ..
      .

      thanks to the crew. that he was saved
  2. -2
    3 November 2018 08: 43
    And time is running out, to make a decision on ordering a dock to China. Transporting it from China through the NSR is also a difficult task. There are no cargo lift ships under such dimensions. Raise, again hire the Dutch Mammut.
    1. 0
      3 November 2018 22: 15
      Do the Chinese build these?
      1. +2
        4 November 2018 03: 57
        Do the Chinese build these?
        The Chinese are building everything. From socks to aircraft carriers. And they will make it in less than a year. We would design our own 5 years, build 10 years and experience 2 years. But he would have drowned anyway.
        1. 0
          4 November 2018 09: 26
          I haven’t seen a single floating dock in China. They build all their sea paupers in dry docks. Believe me, these are two big differences.
  3. +7
    3 November 2018 08: 45
    One of the few articles where the title matches the content. The rise of the dock is hindered by the results of the work of divers. ... and the rest is a beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well!
    1. +1
      3 November 2018 08: 53
      Quote: Harry.km
      The rise of the dock is hindered by the results of the work of divers. ...

      beautifully distorted
      The fact is that divers who have been researching the state of the PD-50 for the past few days have detected the presence of numerous injuries.

      someone dumped something on them?
      and the rest is a beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well!

      please quote where the article says that "everything is fine"
      1. +18
        3 November 2018 09: 07
        Quote: LSA57

        and the rest is a beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well!

        please quote where the article says that "everything is fine"

        So I jerked everything. It was necessary to distort even more to write that the divers were interfering with the dock raising. Otherwise, everything is fine. The first messages were remember what? Kuzya scratched the paint, and the dock drank some water, all people are alive but wet, and we are waiting for messages from the Moscow Region. It turned out that the paint and the deck had gone off and a 5-meter-long winter ventilation hole appeared and the dock sipped so that the cherry was going to live on the bottom of the cake, it turns out we get another one ... only find where to buy left.
        1. 0
          4 November 2018 23: 30
          Quote: Harry.km
          The first messages were remember what? Kuzya scratched the paint, and the dock drank some water, all people are alive but wet, and we are waiting for messages from the Ministry of Defense

          So Roskosmos has more than once reported about a successful launch and then had to disavow. This is all our Russian maybe. I remember in the book "During the test days" of Novikov, in my opinion, a chtoli machine gun was fired. And without waiting for the end of the shooting, Stalin was reported about the successful completion of the tests. It turned out that on the last shots something broke there. The machine gun could not stand the test. Stalin walked in silence for a long time and then said: "This is a lesson for you, Comrade People's Commissar for life."
  4. +11
    3 November 2018 08: 47
    Yeah to buy, the Mistrals have already bought, life does not teach anything to the campaign of our officials
    1. +3
      3 November 2018 09: 12
      So there are no options. Doc does not give birth right away. And if you order from yourself - it's 5 + years, but really closer to 10.

      For the Star, for example, docks were made in China. This PD-50 was made in Sweden in general. With large docks, even the USSR tried to enter the world market and order.
  5. +11
    3 November 2018 08: 48
    Except for the word with the letter "Ж" and "why", nothing comes into my head (((
    We became like the Papuans ..
    I remembered a boat that sank right at the pier in India .. I remember laughing in pain in my stomach
    1. +4
      3 November 2018 08: 59
      Quote: Siberian barber
      Except for the word with the letter "Ж" and "why", nothing comes into my head (((
      We became like the Papuans ..
      I remembered a boat that sank right at the pier in India .. I remember laughing in pain in my stomach
      In a neighboring, not fraternal country, in such cases, the trough is simply welded to the pier ... No matter how this experience would not work. Pah-pah.
      1. +2
        3 November 2018 10: 09
        God forbid!!!
        But, the number of major accidents, "misunderstanding" is growing. And this is alarming, to put it mildly
        1. +10
          3 November 2018 10: 40
          And everything is very simple: there is a natural change of generations, from techies to managers. And this is just the beginning! sad
          1. +6
            3 November 2018 11: 39
            Unfortunately yes:(
            Offices are bloated, and there is no one to work on the "land".
        2. +5
          3 November 2018 13: 16
          Yes, ear ... thinking completely joyless, we lost the remnants of those technologies that we had 20-30 years ago. And all around, just PR for local consumption. Because, there are some minimal restrictions on those processes, well, for example, a person on a car without brakes or without a steering wheel will at least be recognized as inadequate, even if he will ride such a car in the desert. But the huge number of responsible chiefs cannot be inadequate in this particular case either. The decision on this option of launching the ship was not made by the installer Vasya, there a whole commission made a decision that it was possible to lower it and how to do it. The control system is lost. We can no longer only do new things, but also repair the old ones. Not because Vasya cannot tighten the nut, but because there are no people who organize this process.
          1. +5
            3 November 2018 14: 31
            A whole commission decided everything on the principle of "time-money", they don't care about the ship, the dock, the weather and the locksmith Vasya! The current generation of "managers" firmly believes that any process, even a nuclear reaction, can be controlled through financial flows, even without knowing about the process! angry
            1. +3
              3 November 2018 15: 04
              Totally agree with you! That is what I had in mind when I wrote that the most important thing was lost, the control system and the organization of complex processes were lost.
              Quote: engineer74
              A whole commission decided everything on the principle of "time-money", they don't care about the ship, the dock, the weather and the locksmith Vasya! The current generation of "managers" firmly believes that any process, even a nuclear reaction, can be controlled through financial flows, even without knowing about the process! angry
              1. +1
                4 November 2018 04: 10
                Imagine that the university taught the "effective management" of a school student for 5 years for the money of a millionaire dad. The manager is filled with importance and coolness, because he was awarded a red diploma for money and dad arranged to manage ... well, for example, by analogy - an excavator. True, the manager at the university not only did not learn what nuts he had, but also where the levers were. And the manager of the excavator saw only in the picture in the ABC with the letter E. And about the excavator he only knows that he is doing something with the land and how much it costs in dollars and can make a profit. Especially if you cut down on locksmiths and other "unnecessary" people. These are the managers who manage the processes in modern enterprises.
  6. +2
    3 November 2018 08: 53
    Wang. Uncle Vova will order and come up with some kind of system, which has no analogues in the world, for raising the floating dock.
    1. 0
      3 November 2018 10: 13
      Any "Mamut" will attract
      1. +6
        3 November 2018 22: 55
        In fact, lifting a sunken floating dock is a laborious process, but quite simple. The main thing here is that the depth allows the divers to work. And the cost of lifting work is quite acceptable for oilmen. The divers to whom the article refers can only say about the presence of external damage, at the same time, the tightness of the pontoons can only be checked by blowing them and it does not happen that more than half of them are leaky. But another thing "hurts" - the commission decides to raise the dock, or not to raise it !? If you don't pick it up, then buy a new one. But it never even occurs to anyone to see where to put the new dock if the sunken old one is not removed.
        1. 0
          4 November 2018 00: 00
          I share your point of view that lifting the dock is something we can do) I wrote about Mamut because the attraction of foreign specialists is already a "business project". Not to mention the contract for the construction of a new dock. So let's see how events will develop.
          1. +2
            4 November 2018 00: 30
            I suppose everything would have been so if not for "Kuzya". But in this case, "Kuzya" puts the business in a very uncomfortable position. After all, flooding your own dock is one thing, but damaging the country's defense is another. Moreover, the dock, after all, was recently a military man, and he was privatized and drowned. And now, in order to rest "Kuzyu" it will have to be driven to the Far East. Based on the above, they will probably raise it. Raised by Russian forces.
            By the way, lifting the dock is an excellent experience for emergency rescue specialists and divers of the Northern Fleet's Search and Rescue Department. In any case, in the blessed "old regime" times, everything that sank the national economy of the USSR into the sea was raised by the Soviet Navy. And lifting ship was a common, everyday thing.
            1. +2
              4 November 2018 00: 39
              [/ quote] Moreover, the dock was recently a military one, and it was privatized and drowned [quote]

              ..this is the reality
              "Rebirth of the Navy" their mother!
  7. -3
    3 November 2018 08: 59
    Because in Russia there is only one old thing in production in terms of equipment,
  8. +7
    3 November 2018 09: 01
    Well, let's not raise it!
    Did the dock stand in the fucking depths? What is the problem ? Even from a hundred meters.
    Or do we have docks of this size, five per fleet? Or did the dock, when drowned, form an accordion? Patch holes in the building, do not invite the Dutch, find the perpetrators (and transfer to a new job with an increase ....), put new cranes, ...
    Yes, there to work and work!
    1. +7
      3 November 2018 09: 10
      Doc sank starboard. Consequently, he hit, not even with an even booty, but with the starboard side. She didn’t cook for such a life. It is quite realistic - the destruction of power structures and the partial folding of the starboard side.
    2. +3
      3 November 2018 09: 18
      It can be raised only to be sawn into metal. Because, if the giant body deformed - who will unbend it and with what? This is not the wing of the shoha in the garage to level with hammers.
      1. +1
        3 November 2018 13: 45
        Quote: faterdom
        It can be raised only to be sawn into metal.

        To know how much metal there. And now such sedentary concrete structures are molded (and oil rigs) and only slightly finished with iron.
        And it is prefabricated from many details (pantons, walls, ...) If it hit the bottom hard, then it could crumble.
    3. tap
      +2
      3 November 2018 09: 29
      Travel to Murmansk, and lead this operation. Nobody really knows what to do there.
      1. 0
        4 November 2018 03: 29
        Namely it is! They called my two acquaintances and offered to take matters into their hands))) but they sent and did not get in touch. Since well-being and stable business are more expensive!
  9. +1
    3 November 2018 09: 03
    I have already written about the causes of the accident - the inconsistency of the power supply schemes at the enterprise of the "special" category. And the rate of flooding of the PD indicates the likelihood that emergency situations were not calculated and does not exclude the likelihood of sabotage (deliberate inaction). The fault for the accident lies entirely with the management of the enterprise (if they do not have acts of technical malfunction of the PD, due to which the repair should not have been carried out at all). But! How are we? The Motherland will order - we must answer to eat.
    1. +3
      3 November 2018 11: 06
      Quote: ROSS 42
      inconsistency of power supply schemes at the enterprise of the "special" category.

      Category "special" Ministry of Energy - substation 150 kV N97 "Roslyakovo" belongs to "Kolenergo" (part of "Rosseti") and is the only power supply for the shipyard. There were no blackouts of equipment supplying the plant with electricity at the time the accident occurred at this substation. https: // ria.ru /incidents/20181030/1531793745.html
    2. -1
      3 November 2018 12: 49
      Quote: ROSS 42
      probabilities of sabotage (deliberate inaction).

      belay belay
  10. +4
    3 November 2018 09: 10
    come on. Look at how the safety measures and other rules are observed at the enterprises))) no way. It’s important for the employer to have the signature of the person responsible for it, the master or the shift supervisor, or just the employee. brought to the employee, he correctly compiled all the rules and instructions. He took responsibility off.
    1. 0
      4 November 2018 08: 02
      Another wise guy. Organize the process differently. Everyone else at school is taught to read and write. I personally have to familiarize the staff with the requirements of OT. Occupational safety is called, not safety.
      No one forces a person to sign something against his will. Before receiving a signature, a person will ALWAYS stick an instruction. It must be read. Or will you advise me to tell everyone what is written there? Not for this, people came up with a written language, but the Bolsheviks conducted an educational program. But because a competent person can be responsible for their actions. And believe me, that no boss will force an employee to violate the OT rules if the employee does not want to violate them.
      Because bash on bash: you give me a signature and now you’re breaking the conditions or you yourself are to blame.
      1. 0
        4 November 2018 17: 55
        Oh no. He knows everything, huh.
  11. +2
    3 November 2018 09: 19
    our (un) effective managers at which everything drowns, explodes and falls.
    1. +5
      3 November 2018 10: 28
      It’s a hell of a thing, missiles are falling, docks are drowning, bridges are crumbling. An effective management system and a strong economy in all its glory. They ate the Soviet backlog for 30 years, then it will only get worse
  12. +4
    3 November 2018 09: 21
    It immediately catches the eye, the opportunity for businessmen to make a little money on the Navy. Buy a new PD-50, and how much does it cost? (I think Kuznetsov will be cheaper to build) Who will sell it to us or where will it be manufactured? And how much time is needed for design work and construction?
    Most importantly, they are again silent for the reasons and there are no perpetrators !! Everyone continues to write fables about power outages
    1. +1
      3 November 2018 10: 59
      Quote: APASUS
      Who will sell it to us or where will it be manufactured?

      Chinese if only. No one else seems to be. There is no experience in the construction of such docks in Russia. And on this dock a whole line of ships that need to be repaired.
      Quote: APASUS
      Most importantly, they are again silent for the reasons and there are no perpetrators!

      Optimization of production, that’s the whole reason. Hang for the cradles of these optimizers.
      1. +5
        3 November 2018 11: 34
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Chinese if only. No one else seems to be. There is no experience in the construction of such docks in Russia. And on this dock a whole line of ships that need to be repaired.

        China, of course. Others will not reach us, they already had experience with the Mistrals. But you haven’t said how much it will cost and how long it will take. I’m not saying that shipping from China along the Northern Sea Route will cost a lot of money and time. But the ships are in line in this dock right now
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Optimization of production, that’s the whole reason. Hang for the cradles of these optimizers.

        This is for sure, optimization. But what a paradox in our state it turns out that there are specific ranks to receive a bonus for optimization, but snow on the wires of high-voltage lines must answer before the law!
        1. +1
          3 November 2018 12: 39
          Quote: APASUS
          How much will it cost and what is the production time

          But the devil knows them. One thing is clear, saved on trifles, drowned in the billions.
          Quote: APASUS
          ! The "heroes" of perestroika were not named like that

          Yes, for a long time they called themselves. The main ideologist - Yakovlev, along with Kalugin in the United States trained in the 50. Humpbacked did not give Yakovlev.
      2. 0
        3 November 2018 12: 50
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Chinese if only. No one else seems to be.

        And how to transport it from China to the North?
        1. +2
          3 November 2018 12: 57
          Quote: atalef
          And how to transport it from China to the North?

          Yes, even if they want, they are forwarded, even along the Northern Sea Route, even around the world. Sechin’s wise men dofig, even though they are harnessed by the hounds, will be more useful from these economists.
  13. +2
    3 November 2018 09: 22
    It is added that now the possibility of buying an analogue of PD-50, rather than raising a sunken dock, is being considered to a greater extent


    A phrase from a superpower news digest. What will he roll around there now?
    1. +11
      3 November 2018 09: 39
      Well, there’s a new article on the BMPD - NAPO (manufacturer Su-34) is no longer needed and it’s their own fault that they made ducklings at the Stakhanov pace. Mass layoffs.

      “We had a state order before the 2020 year, and we everything was done - next year there are five planes left. we in a hurry, making them more than the norm: we have to do 12 planes a year, and we did 16 – 18 so that the prizes get in the manual.
      We have 130 people in our workshop, but now we need to leave 40 people. "They want to dismiss 500 people from the factory this year - under cuts, they said, - and next year 700."

      “If we resign by agreement [of the parties], we are paid two average salaries. Pensioners are offered three average salaries and five thousand for 10 years they will be paid extra for their pension. The pensioners agreed - they all work until December 27. <...> The plant is being restored now: who was sent to the builders, who to the loaders at the plant, so as not to be fired. ", - he added.
      1. +1
        4 November 2018 02: 45
        ... And then they will shrug their shoulders, that there is nowhere to take specialists .. Here it is - the current economy of Russia .. - like everything on the coven ... - there is an order - they took whips and guest workers, they mastered the money, they did everything at random .. - and everyone was dispersed until the next opportunity to cut the loot .. That is why the sensors will be upside down, they will hammer them with a hammer, and instead of "vira" - "lane" they will command ... And the boards will be soldered to the left .. Efficient management ... from Central Asia .. - Now you can't offend the Chinese with a salary, they already get more than ours ..
  14. +1
    3 November 2018 09: 28
    GKHM, blurred responsibility. Nekama answer that, not in terms of throwing the blame on someone, but who clearly indicate it, this is not right, it needs to be fixed. If Prezik in his communication with the people annually solves trash, drugstores, then what is IT?
    1. 0
      3 November 2018 10: 10
      Dock private property of Rosneft if that. And here the president.
      1. +6
        3 November 2018 10: 30
        Yes, he always has nothing to do with it. So passed by
      2. +2
        3 November 2018 11: 33
        Buzzing the property of the Russian Federation, Roslyakovo, too, Kuzyu was damaged by a crane, a bay, possibly partially blocked, Rosneft. Sechin, our Presus, nothing to do with. he generally with only what issues?
  15. 0
    3 November 2018 09: 32
    Situation. our bazaars and thoughts will not help. They hit it in a sore spot - it's not for us to decide, any business executive (from the port there) knows the reason and the midshipman. It only remains to follow the info.
  16. 0
    3 November 2018 09: 37
    But is it possible to enlarge the bubble and thereby lift the dock?
  17. 0
    3 November 2018 09: 38
    dishonors, flooding from depth 10-30m raise the problem ... negative
    1. +2
      3 November 2018 10: 32
      Do you want the Papuans to build ships and docks? This does not happen. But the Papuans are easier to manage)
    2. +1
      3 November 2018 10: 37
      Andrey, the task is the same; 10-30 meters from the article is a 45-degree roll, the dock must have caught on a rocky ledge, and not hanging on a bubble, it’s impossible to calculate any lifting action (considering the length and weight)
      1. +6
        3 November 2018 11: 27
        I understand that it wasn’t a drowning cauldron to be pulled out of the pond, but the USSR, after the civil war with 1924, began to raise ships and ships, after almost complete loss of industrial potential, civil war, intervention, hunger and epidemics, and then ...
        1. +1
          3 November 2018 12: 28
          Quote: faiver
          about the USSR after the civil war in 1924 began to raise ships and ships

          It all depends on the particular case - what depth, how much the case is destroyed, the mass that needs to be raised, etc.
    3. 0
      4 November 2018 13: 12
      Well, like be .... if the dock can accommodate an unfinished aircraft carrier, it means that it is much larger than this aircraft carrier. A lot of things of this size were lifted from the bottom ??
  18. +5
    3 November 2018 09: 39
    The first and most terrible element is du-cancer in power. The second float is NEED to be raised, it is also the authority of the country in the eyes of the whole world. If we are not able to raise our property from this depth, nobody will seriously with us about more complex issues say. Yes, and it’s stupid to just stop rusting expensive and complex property. If Mansurov decides that the dock cannot or should not be raised, then he should immediately resign.
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    1. +9
      3 November 2018 10: 35
      I will probably disappoint you, but with the current system, our “partners” do not even need to do anything, stupidly wait until the defective managers do everything themselves
  20. +5
    3 November 2018 09: 53
    Only mass executions will save this dock ...
  21. +5
    3 November 2018 09: 54
    More like a sabotage than a random coincidence, well, at least, "Kuzyu" was pulled out of there! IMHO.
    "Excuses" about the two lost cranes are childish, cranes are only auxiliary equipment, not "irreplaceable" at all!
    More importantly, the unique dock itself! The fact that he did not sink at a deeper depth (together with an aircraft carrier) and still holds on is a great success and a sin not to use it!
    Raise-unambiguously and you need to act "in a front-line", not "calve" and throw all the resources on the threshold, and with the new "ordered" dock, I am sure, it will be adjusted in the same way as with the "Mistrals" He, even paid in advance and waiting for years, will not make it to Russia!
  22. -1
    3 November 2018 10: 01
    Diversion, there are no miracles wishing to cut down the loot for the lungs fully
  23. +2
    3 November 2018 10: 09
    Quote: Dr. Alban-M
    They are still afraid of modernizing our "Kuzi" .. Sabotage and sabotage is going on everywhere in the military-industrial complex ..!
    They want to fill up Putin and put it like Yavlinsky with his "500 days how to destroy the Russian world"
    I give a grudge that now in Russia something will constantly fall, explode, etc. They are preparing the Russians for a rebellion against the "bloody regime of Putin." I can smell it by genes, even here on our website the site has been cleared for liberals and other "comrades from Israel" ..
    They will teach us again who we are and that we know nothing .. How is everything familiar from 90's ..
    Well, let's.. soldier

    Before that, another dock was drowned at the same Northern Theater, the investigation is underway ...

    There is no doubt that the official version is dark, to put it mildly, because KolEnergo provided an official answer that there were no interruptions on this day, and the disaster was on the eve.

    At a specialized maritime forum, specialists in detail examined the flooding of the dock.
    So - there is a version that no exit was planned. There, "Kuzi" has a lot of work on the bottom and below the waterline ... The dock began to sink together with the aircraft carrier suddenly at night .... The power supply from the shore, and the dock and the ship were connected to the shore, was interrupted (the reason is being analyzed by a special group of investigators from the UK ). Diesel generators could not start ... And what they write about reductions and they say there was no fuel is a lie of amateurs. Everything was ... But someone seems to have deliberately disabled them. They rushed to save the ship in the first place, since it had many open holes below the waterline ... And it was only that half of the crew was on the ship ... When they began to pull it out, he made a bulk on one of the sides of the sinking dock ...
    The aircraft carrier received several thousand tons of water, a multi-ton tower crane fell on it, which by the way is still not cleaned, although the media have already painted how it was cut and removed in parts ... False creatures. He was taken opposite, had time ....
    The main goal was an aircraft carrier ... Well, the dock, since now how to dock a ship .... But docking is necessary ....

    The officers will mow sloppiness and negligence on the pier ... In 1937 they put it against the wall for this.

    State of emergency go jambs on the military industry. Workshops for the production of gunpowder for ammunition at the pyrotechnics factory are torn, workshops are burning at the tank factory, at the automobile industry enterprises .... This is not an accident.

    The war has been going on for a long time ... Since 2010, armored vehicles have been thrown to our borders, even before all kinds of Crimea and Independence Squares. At the moment, we have completely redeployed equipment of the US tank division in Poland, one tank brigade and two mechanized ones in Lithuania and Latvia. Personnel in Ramstein. Approach time - 2 hours. That is, it is enough to cross several thousand soldiers and get equipment. In the field there were not large units that constantly change and which carry out routine maintenance. Storage facilities are guarded by soldiers of the Baltic countries.

    Once again - no one admits that this is a puncture of the special services .... BUT some people will answer for this and somewhere in Israel someone will choke on a banana suddenly ... Without posters. The plant itself was a civilian enterprise and it was simply not possible to organize a special regime there, as well as to carry out the plan without the help of those who worked in the dock itself.

    My private opinion.
    1. +10
      3 November 2018 10: 38
      At the end of your opus, you forgot to add that it’s not the time to rock the boat and you need to rally around; you know who
    2. +8
      3 November 2018 12: 32
      Quote: Santor
      Once again - no one admits that this is a puncture of the special services .... BUT some people will answer for this and somewhere in Israel someone will choke on a banana suddenly ... Without posters.

      But I kept thinking: "Will they try to pin the accident on Israel or not?" They are trying so everyone knows who is to blame for the lack of water in the tap. When will you begin to look for those responsible for your troubles not on the side, among your own? (a rhetorical question)
      1. -3
        3 November 2018 13: 33
        Like in a joke about a drunken person who lost his keys. What are you looking for under the lamp? It is light under the lamp.
      2. 0
        3 November 2018 15: 48
        But, as a rule, these guilty "ours" are more likely yours ... wassat
  24. -11
    3 November 2018 10: 17
    You don’t understand anything! Just the PD-50 dock went into scuba diving and is now being upgraded to a new generation submarine.
    Submarines sometimes lay down on the ground, so the dock lay down. These are the tests! As part of the exercise "Bottom 2018"
    1. 0
      6 November 2018 14: 20
      Quote: professor
      But I kept thinking: "Will they try to pin the accident on Israel or not?" They are trying so everyone knows who is to blame for the lack of water in the tap. When will you begin to look for those responsible for your troubles not on the side, among your own? (a rhetorical question)

      I don’t know how it is in Israel. However, I see that there are elements of sabotage in the Navy and its environs. Moreover, sabotage is not at all uncovered.
  25. +3
    3 November 2018 10: 26
    Sudden bad weather in the resort of Murmansk. It seems to me that the cause is systemic slovenliness, carried 1000 times, did not carry 1001 times.
    1. 0
      3 November 2018 16: 23
      "System ABOS" - called ...
  26. +2
    3 November 2018 10: 27
    Headache. One word ... There was an indication. In any cases associated with the immersion and ascent of the dock, produce them on AUTONOMOUS power systems. Where did the dock diesel generators go?
  27. +6
    3 November 2018 10: 30
    If anyone is interested - the place where the crane broke through the deck.
    1. +3
      3 November 2018 10: 31
      Close-up of a crane grits
  28. +1
    3 November 2018 10: 30
    The floating dock sank to a depth of 30 meters. Overall dimensions 330 * 88. Draft is 6 meters. He sticks out almost all over the water. How could he board aboard during a flooding?
    1. +2
      3 November 2018 10: 44
      Religion does not allow Google? Only Google coordinates now remind of the dock
  29. +14
    3 November 2018 10: 59
    Noodles about problems with the supply of electricity can be hung up on the ears of members of government commissions, they will do it.
    Not the PD-50 dock went to the bottom; the economic system goes to the bottom.
    1. +2
      3 November 2018 17: 09
      Quote: prior
      to the bottom goes the economic system.

      rather, its absence
  30. +1
    3 November 2018 11: 21
    There are usually several reasons. In one place - and so it will, in another as well, and in the third, etc., the cost savings are again, the responsibility is no longer that. If one thing happens in the space industry, then another thing happens - and a wall was drilled, and the first with the second stage was fixed with a sledgehammer - then the same is possible in the rest. Of course, sabotage cannot be ruled out either. They almost drowned the only aircraft carrier and drowned the dock, which has no analogue in Russia.
  31. -5
    3 November 2018 11: 53
    The fact is that divers who have been researching the state of the PD-50 for the past few days have detected the presence of numerous injuries. Thus, the Interfax news agency, citing unnamed sources, reports that the floating dock building was badly damaged by impact on the ground during flooding.

    during diving operations it was established that PD-50 is tilted. One of its parts is located at a depth of 10 m, the other - about 30.

    Whinnying like a horse !!! The floating dock "fell" sank to a depth of 10 meters and received catastrophic damage "incompatible with life." Let me remind you that the Japanese raised our Varyag after it was flooded, from a depth of about 100m and put it into operation over 100 !!!!! years ago.
    As I said on the first day - a diversion of 100%. Could not get flooding himself, such damage when immersed to a depth of 10m. Helped.
    1. +5
      3 November 2018 18: 58
      Quote- "Let me remind you - the Japanese raised our Varyag after it was flooded, from a depth of about 100m and put it into operation more than 100 years ago !!!!!
      hi This is you, colleague Lusul, of course, famously "turned"! smile
      The "Varyag" flooded in the Chemulpo Bay at low tide was exposed almost to the diametrical plane, by 4 meters, and if it did not go on board, the Japanese, even with ship-lifting equipment from the beginning of the last century, would have lifted it without much stress, and so they needed a whole a year for this, until, working at low tide, they disarmed, cut off the masts, pipes and superstructures, but did not close up the holes in the hull, straighten them, then and again ... and you say!
      The sunken gigantic floating dock with a length of "three hundred meters with glee", with a roll hovering on the underwater slope of a natural "koldyban" of one hundred meters depth, is, nevertheless, a huge "piece of work", and not a relatively small cruiser sunk in the Chemulpin "paddling pool"! wink
  32. 0
    3 November 2018 12: 01
    and the dock was sold to Rosneft! Strategic object and businessmen! Business in Russian. How many more are sold? And without the dock kirdyk
    1. +2
      3 November 2018 12: 37
      Quote: Silvestr
      and the dock was sold to Rosneft! Strategic object and businessmen! Business in Russian. How many more are sold? And without the dock kirdyk

      Rosneft - Russian oil and gas company, a controlling stake in which belongs to the state-owned JSC Rosneftegaz. The main owner of the state is CEP.
      1. +1
        3 November 2018 15: 46
        Quote: professor
        Rosneft is a Russian oil and gas company, the majority stake of which is owned by the state-owned JSC Rosneftegaz. The main owner of the state is CEP.

        those. the state did not follow him?
        According to the results of the first quarter of 2017, the company's debt is about $ 34,8 billion
        1. +1
          3 November 2018 17: 10
          Quote: Silvestr
          those. the state did not follow him?
          According to the results of the first quarter of 2017, the company's debt is about $ 34,8 billion

          Nevertheless, the owner of Rosneft is the Russian Federation, and what about the debt, then ask Sechin where he is spending the money.
          1. 0
            3 November 2018 17: 13
            Quote: professor
            and what about debt, then ask Sechin where he is spending money.

            I say, a businessman. It is covered by the state and acts on behalf of the state, and the grandmother - separately. Maybe he works for the second half of the block of shares, do not allow this?
    2. 0
      4 November 2018 09: 47
      Rather, Rosneft took the dock from the military.
      1. +1
        4 November 2018 13: 16
        Simply, this dock would have drowned a long time ago. Apparently, in this dock, you could put something that Rosneft has very much needed. Well, the managers there have optimized the costs. Someone had a good idea, and execution as always. Not once, and here again.
  33. +1
    3 November 2018 12: 01
    In this case, the floeder lies on the bottom at the very edge of the pit with a depth of about a hundred meters. When carrying out work to raise the PD-50, there is a danger that a floater in this pit in the water area of ​​ship repair plant No. 82 will slide and “drag” equipment that can be used when lifting it.
    Along the way, the current government has decided to bring Hollywood fiction to life. If anyone is interested, watch the 1989 film "The Abyss" from the fortieth minute. Sorry, I did not find the required passage from the film.
    1. 0
      5 November 2018 02: 55
      Quote: sabakina
      the current government has decided to bring Hollywood fiction to life.

      All hope for aliens? what At the end of the film, they got what they needed ... Yes
  34. +1
    3 November 2018 12: 03
    Interestingly, this event does not hit the site. Made with us? And if they buy the dock, then where? Have a little Finland or Korea?
    1. +3
      3 November 2018 12: 53
      No need to buy anything. At SRZ 30 in Chazhma, the only Japanese-built PD-41 is the same. 330 meters 80000 tons. Surely also in a deplorable state. Repair and drive under the Kuzyu by the Northern Sea Route.
      And this PD-50 will still have to be raised. Entirely for restoration or in parts to the scrap.
      1. +1
        3 November 2018 13: 53
        According to PD-41, after a big fire, no information, not even pictures. Therefore, there are two options, or he died a long time ago and rots in the far bay. Or he was towed to a secret facility, where he worked tirelessly to repair the fleet.

        Fire in Russia's largest floating dock in Primorye lasted 14 hours
        To extinguish the 30 SRZ facility, fire departments of Fokino, Danube and the Big Stone were involved
        The cause of the fire, according to the workers, is a short circuit, but specialists will still understand. So far, according to the main version, because of the closure, the inter-cabin partition has lit up. In the cabins themselves there were a lot of flammable materials, so the fire quickly increased the area.

        The work of the personnel was complicated by the fact that access to the fire was through a single entrance on the upper deck. I had to work in conditions of limited visibility and high temperature.
    2. 0
      5 November 2018 17: 28
      The site "Made by Us" exists to highlight achievements. There is, by definition, no information about accidents and disasters. If the dock is raised, especially by our forces, the site will highlight this event.
  35. +1
    3 November 2018 12: 07
    Kuze is to retire, is more at the berth and is in repair than is used as intended
  36. +2
    3 November 2018 12: 34
    Quote: Andrey Vinogradov
    We must see what is cheaper, faster and safer, raise the old one or buy / build a new one.

    At whose expense? sad
  37. +1
    3 November 2018 12: 41
    Quote: Adagka
    I will probably disappoint you, but with the current system, our “partners” do not even need to do anything, stupidly wait until the defective managers do everything themselves

    You are mistaken, as the majority of these "managers" work on the orders of the "partners" of the Kremlin! sad
  38. +7
    3 November 2018 13: 17
    Build a new one even bigger and better. With shipbuilding captains like Lisa Peskova, we can do anything.
    Or over your shoulder ...
  39. +1
    3 November 2018 13: 22
    What prevents the float PD-50
    Apparently the same, which contributed to the fact that he "fell".
    PS If somewhere, the stars light up, then this is for someone!
  40. +2
    3 November 2018 13: 24
    What damn bad weather? Well, the electrician was cut off from the shore, what is the question then? included generators and voila. the question is to see in the awful state of the floating dock itself, in fact a rotten and current aka drushlag. But they still pulled on the pumps. residences did not have time or could not turn on. so he drowned. In fact, cut. 90s were not in vain.
    P.S. Phrases for buying something similar cause laughter. such docks are a piece of goods and overs consume a lot of money and + to this a lot of time for production. Physically, you can order, but given the sanctions, none of the smart manufacturers will take up any carriages.
    P.S.2 Where to dock atomarins the Northern Fleet already has problems. For untimely docking is equivalent to a reduction in the life of the ship by 30-40%.
    1. +1
      4 November 2018 02: 05
      In general, any dock operation involves a transition to autonomous power sources of both the dock itself and the docking ship. The shore is put in reserve.
  41. 0
    3 November 2018 13: 38
    On the docks, as far as is known, there are dry compartments that prevent it from completely flooding. Two cranes, on the sides, provide its balancing. Maybe the crane has fallen? Electric equipment of the dock will have to be changed if they are restored
  42. 0
    3 November 2018 13: 39
    Quote: Bearded
    They drowned such a necessary box.
    Who's guilty? Who was planted? Award given? Awarded the Order?

    Orders will be awarded in the State Department "partners", and money has already been received by managers for a long time! am
  43. +5
    3 November 2018 14: 11
    Well, repairs of large ships have ended .. What will we order in China? Again, you can effectively cut money .. Yes, and why do we need a big dock? Boats can be built without docks ..
  44. -2
    3 November 2018 14: 41
    The floating dock was built by order of the USSR in Sweden 36 years ago, by now it has rusted through, kept afloat only due to the constant pumping of water from the pontoons, so the place of the floating dock is in scrap metal.

    It is another matter that the Russian Navy does not need a new floating dock with a carrying capacity of 80 thousand tons in general - if you write off the constantly repaired Kuzya as scrap metal, the largest ships will be nuclear submarines with a displacement of up to 20 thousand tons.
    1. +3
      3 November 2018 16: 49
      But nothing that can get up in such a dock (and got up in the best of times) at once 4 multi-purpose submarines? With a single dock repair schedule. This object is not only for ships with a large tonnage, but for the simultaneous repair of several medium and small tonnage ships and vessels.
    2. +1
      3 November 2018 18: 21
      It’s cheaper to make a capital coastal dock for the size of one submarine.
      It can be covered with a metal roof for all-weather repairs.
      1. +1
        3 November 2018 21: 03
        No, not cheaper. This structure is called dry dock. One such is now completing Rosneft in Big Stone. The investment is fantastic. The advantage of the floating dock is precisely in its maneuverability. It can be moved to another base, to another fleet, to another theater of operations, completely sold to another country in the end. In addition, most small and medium-sized APs can act as vehicles for moving emergency ships to the repair site, as well as for bringing newly constructed ships to the clear water. For example, on the Amur River from Komsomolsk-on-Amur, etc.
        Sorry for the educational program ....
  45. +4
    3 November 2018 15: 51
    Under Comrade Stalin, this case would qualify at least under the article "sabotage" ... and there is no need for "weather conditions" ... mankind has invented a diesel generator for more than 100 years and has come up with it in case of interruptions in the centralized power supply .. And now I'm wondering, I'm certainly not a specialist in ship repair, but what kind of floating dock is this, which, in order to stay afloat, must be constantly connected to an external source of electricity? Or someone simply forgot to close the "tap" through which he drowned? Comrade Beria was rightly said - "Every mistake has a name, surname and patronymic." But this statement is inapplicable to our "effective" managers ... they will find an extreme, some kind of diesel operator, or "engineer" for operation ... but the fact that no one more experienced and efficient did not go for this salary - well, this is not the fault of the management companies, this is the "invisible hand of the market" ...
    1. 0
      4 November 2018 14: 40
      You are absolutely right! But besides the name, each error, there is the name of the head. The duties of which include general control, management and RESPONSIBILITY for the operation of the enterprise.
  46. +1
    3 November 2018 17: 08
    Quote: Siberian barber
    Except for the word with the letter "Ж" and "why", nothing comes into my head (((
    We became like the Papuans ..
    I remembered a boat that sank right at the pier in India .. I remember laughing in pain in my stomach

    This is just the beginning. Soon we will cry with such managers :(
  47. 0
    3 November 2018 17: 21
    Watching information about the pd-50, I found here this article https://topwar.ru/50568-vernut-dok-flotu.html that's what the lack will prevent us from raising the dock :(
  48. 0
    3 November 2018 18: 41
    This very much looks like deliberate sabotage: how could the only large floating dock be powered only from the coastal network and not have automatically turned on emergency onboard diesel generators ????
  49. 0
    3 November 2018 21: 33
    The results of the promised cyber war? Need a similar answer ...
  50. 0
    3 November 2018 21: 39
    Quote: Neutron Lagging
    The advantage of the floating dock is precisely in its maneuverability

    In the Arctic, a dry covered dock is what the doctor ordered.
    1. +1
      4 November 2018 01: 12
      And in war conditions, a stationary target for an attack that you cannot escape from under attack. And you don’t need any large TNT equivalents. It is enough to break the tightness of the bath port.
      1. 0
        4 November 2018 02: 12
        In the conditions of thermonuclear war there is nothing and why it will not be repaired.
  51. -2
    3 November 2018 23: 51
    There are a lot of strange accidents
  52. -2
    3 November 2018 23: 51
    There are a lot of strange accidents
  53. 0
    4 November 2018 00: 36
    Kuznetsov stands with a hole. Doc sucks. What should I do?
    1. +4
      4 November 2018 03: 02
      Nothing to do. Saw off the deformed section under water and blow out the remaining tanks. But this work is certainly not for the Murmansk winter - because for several months the divers will only be plugging all sorts of holes, crawling in icy water and darkness. And then let it go to waste... because there is nothing to restore it with and no one cares. So much for NATO exercises.. And Kuznetsov will remain with the old holes.. All this is sad. And it’s natural. What hasn't fallen apart lately? God forbid Chernobyl is repeated by our effective ones... (((
  54. 0
    4 November 2018 02: 01
    showed what defective managers from Rosneft are capable of!!! They reduced the motor group and deprived the dock of the saint - autonomous power!!! Independence from otherworldly power sources is the main ability of any ship (dock) to ensure survivability!!!
  55. -1
    4 November 2018 04: 59
    More like a well-thought-out sabotage than Russian sloppiness... And at the most opportune moment... It remains to neutralize "Peter" and "Ustinov"..
    1. 0
      4 November 2018 16: 26
      They'll neutralize it soon. Successful children of oligarchs and officials work quickly and efficiently!
  56. -2
    4 November 2018 08: 40
    yes...and they were also going to fight. Or is it that the government dreams of sending people to war so that they can quickly go get money and go to their families in their places of permanent residence with the “aggressor”. Somehow the mess isn’t going well yet?
  57. +1
    4 November 2018 12: 26
    I don’t believe in the version about saboteurs. The experience of recent years shows that we are our own saboteurs. No CIA with Mossad and Mi6 will do anything like our effective management in a mad pursuit of profit. What? There is no responsibility.
    In a thread about ship diesel engines, I recently wrote that sooner or later we will still have to bow to the Chinese and order ships from them, covering up our technical and economic impotence with “joint” Russian-Chinese projects. Now it’s clear that you also need to order the dock from them. Wholesale is cheaper.
  58. -1
    4 November 2018 12: 43
    How is it possible - to sink a floating dock against the wall of the pier, cancerously, and even on the edge of an underwater abyss? It’s good that they still managed to shut down the nuclear reactor on board the floating dock!
    1. -1
      4 November 2018 14: 47
      Quote: AllExx
      It’s good that they still managed to shut down the nuclear reactor on board the floating dock!

      belay Where did the reactor come from??? belay
      1. -1
        4 November 2018 20: 43
        And what about the reason for medals and orders on the chest and belly for the heroic efforts to cut the dough, repair the old trough and rescue the hand-assed people from the water?
  59. 0
    4 November 2018 12: 52
    This is a system. This is the current system. Mismanagement, impunity, theft and nepotism.
    To overcome it, not many, and not the majority, need to be imprisoned. A - EVERYONE.
    Individual hard workers and unmercenary people don’t make a difference.
  60. +1
    4 November 2018 13: 46
    The floating dock most likely has not been repaired for many years. And here is the result. Repair services throughout Russia are being destroyed. Soon it will start falling and exploding everywhere...
  61. 0
    4 November 2018 14: 35
    All this is very, very interesting... I have one question - who is guilty and who was imprisoned?
  62. +3
    4 November 2018 15: 47
    I believe that the main reason is the pursuit of the owners of “Zvezdiochka” and its patrons for big money. And this pursuit in this case is divided into several stages:
    Stage one - grab yourself an order to repair the ship, inflating the cost of repairs as much as possible;
    Stage two - reduce production costs as much as possible, including by refusing timely repairs and high-quality maintenance of equipment and technological equipment used in repairs, including the floating dock
    And stage three - to split the money “acquired by back-breaking labor” among all interested “faces” (well, not individuals)
    And this approach prevails, alas, throughout the entire industry, especially in its privatized part. They have long understood that government orders are a goldmine and are sawing this bottom without a twinge of conscience with the tacit support of the “captains” of industry.
    With this approach, saboteurs can sleep peacefully. “Our guys will do everything for them for the same salary,” and they will even share the profits with the FSB so that they don’t have to dig too much.
  63. 0
    4 November 2018 20: 38
    the network is discussing the option of selling Kuznetsov to China, based on the price of Vakramidya and his relative youth, the price could be 3.5-4 billion dollars, or 230-262 billion rubles, that is, 10-11 Boreevs so needed by the country (For China, a profitable purchase because the new US AB costs 13 billion dollars, and recalculating the difference in displacement, the new Kuznetsov would cost 8 billion dollars, and China has tasks for the aircraft, unlike the Russian Federation.....an interesting idea in light of the impossibility of continuing repairs?
    1. 0
      4 November 2018 21: 13
      China is already building its own aircraft carriers. They will not buy a rusty, leaky trough, unless for scrap. But to work on the issue of purchasing a new Type 001A project aircraft carrier from China + a full air group based on Chinese J-15 fighters - this is an option! source of financing - money for repairs of "Kuzi". And if you pay the Chinese a little extra, then instead of the J-15 you can buy a J-31, and these are already 5th generation aircraft, which do not exist in Russia and are not expected. Project Type 001A aircraft carriers are designed to carry both J-15 and J-31. Let's pay China now, before the money for repairs of the Kuzi is spent on our pockets - in a year we will receive a new Chinese aircraft carrier with Chinese aircraft.
      1. 0
        4 November 2018 22: 08
        Quote: AllExx
        Let's pay China now, before the money for repairs of the Kuzi is spent on our pockets - in a year we will receive a new Chinese aircraft carrier with Chinese aircraft.

        Construction started - November 2013
        Launched - April 26, 2017
        Put into operation - 2020 (expected)
        In a year it's unlikely.
        1. 0
          4 November 2018 23: 44
          Ha-Ha-Ha! It’s still faster than the “planned” repair of an old trough without an air group, which is no longer possible!
          1. 0
            5 November 2018 07: 29
            Quote: AllExx
            Still faster

            Depends on many factors.
  64. 0
    5 November 2018 01: 45
    Or can someone tell me when the habit moves away from the shore that it will have shore food left? I haven’t heard anywhere that they are powered by cables during transitions!
    1. 0
      6 November 2018 20: 14
      This is a dock, it doesn’t leave the shore
      Autonomous power supply is required, and it is always used during reheating. Small docks can be heated on the cable, but the diesel generator is running and ready, flip two switches on the panel.
  65. -1
    5 November 2018 09: 33
    You read the comments and are amazed. Sabotage and blah, blah, blah. What kind of sabotage?! To reduce costs, backup generation sources at PD 50 itself were decommissioned. The supply cables were pulled from the shore and also probably without backup. That's all the money. But as always there is no money. There was an emergency, but there was no reserve and PPC... Well, according to the logic of management, everything is ok. We cut costs. So they made additional redundancies. In general, the accident is beneficial to many, those in power and their friends, businessmen. But the Russian state is somehow not very good.
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  68. 0
    5 November 2018 21: 08
    Quote: UFO Pilot
    "What's stopping you from raising the PD-50 floating dock?" "What's stopping you, what's stopping you? - Eggs?" - No! - lack of diving technologies with UNLIMITED DEPTH of immersion. The underwater dock will gurgle into a basin 100 meters away and they will tell us: “it’s not advisable to get it out, because it’s so deep and it’s hard for divers to dive there.” But in fact, Russia could have had diving technologies with unlimited diving depths for a long time:

    http://deepdivertech.narod.ru/indexru.html

    http://streltsovaleks.narod.ru

    It’s just that some people wanted to take credit for this technology, but it didn’t work out. But authority can effectively slow down the implementation of technology. As a result, the failure of the rescue operation on the nuclear submarine Kursk, the incident with the AS-28 bathyscaphe, record dives of 416 meters, and now the floating dock...


    Are these the technologies that Rogozin recently demonstrated with dachshund dogs? You don't need super technology to raise the dock. Simply - there should be no hand-wringing. "Kursk" sank at a depth of 108 meters with a submarine length of 154 - they could not save people simply by raising the stern to surface level. Now the task is more difficult - to lift a 330m long crap from a depth of 30 meters, which sank right next to the pier. I think that with the level of degradation of the hands-on people that remain in the ship repair industry, this is impossible. And counting on help from the Dutch, Germans and Swedes after MH17 and sanctions - you just have to be an idiot. Anything heavier than 40 tons - RIP
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      5 November 2018 23: 35
      Quote: UFO Pilot

      "What's stopping you from raising the PD-50 floating dock?" "What's stopping you, what's stopping you? - Eggs?" - No! - lack of diving technologies with UNLIMITED DEPTH of immersion.

      Quote: AllExx
      You don't need super technology to raise the dock. Simply - there should be no hand-wringing.

      Alexander, your anthropomorphic robot will certainly open a new page in the exploration of the depths of the sea. It will open, but not before it is put into production and supplied for supply. In the meantime, I completely agree with your second statement: “There simply shouldn’t be any hands-offs.”
      The dock lies at a depth quite accessible to divers. Raising it, repairing it and putting it back into operation is not a very big problem. However, what the dock owner will do is an open question.
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    6 November 2018 01: 01
    He was drowned.........
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    6 November 2018 20: 19
    The problem with repairing this dock is that there is no place to repair it. For 35 years of its operation, such a site has not been created. Some work can be done underwater, but not all.