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Pensions for kindling

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The Central Bank of Russia published a report on its website. "The main directions of the unified state monetary policy for 2019 year and the period 2020 and 2021 years". This large document contains 129 pages of text, numbers, diagrams, diagrams, and other compelling attributes on the conscience of the work done. And we probably will not try to challenge this, especially since a complete analysis of the document will require months of hard work, and it will probably be interesting only to a very narrow circle of specialists.


But some of the provisions of the report are interesting in their own right. In particular, they calculated the effect of the recently held pension reform, as well as the implementation of some provisions of the May “super-order” of President Putin. And these estimates are quite interesting for the widest circle of readers: after all, we have the right to know why we have raised the retirement age, and how soon will this increase affect the future of our children?



According to the assessment of the Central Bank, the pension reform will be the only predictable factor in further accelerating economic growth, which will start working soon enough with some estimated efficiency. True, this efficiency is low: total 0,1 next year and roughly 0,2-0,3 percentage points in 2020 and 2021. That is, with the current economic growth in 1,6% (with the forecast for the year to 2%, and this is the maximum), next year we will get the maximum of 2% plus the mentioned increase from pension reform, that is, 0,1%. Total, with the most optimistic scenario, 2,1% percent.

The reasons for higher growth, according to the Central Bank, simply do not exist: employment in the country is “full” (this is an estimate of the Central Bank), utilization of production capacities is close to historical the maximum, and it’s almost impossible to use the free production capacities yet: according to the Central Bank, they are very outdated and lack workers. An investment boom that could fix the situation until it is somehow visible ...

Although about the latter, everything should be exactly the opposite: the May decree of Vladimir Putin gives directions to which government investment will flow, and the government, pursuant to the decree, has developed a package of measures that should stimulate GDP growth, causing it to grow at a pace ahead of the world. And one of the consequences of the implementation of this package should be a significant increase in investment. Before 2024, 8 trillions of rubles were planned for the economy, and this, of course, is a serious figure.

But it seems that something went wrong. Once again. And this is probably the most interesting feature of the report of the Central Bank: alas, the regulator’s estimates differ from the picture that the head of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade Maxim Oreshkin draws on us. Although we must give him his due: Mr. Oreshkin seems to understand that his economic genius is very limited, and he is already in a hurry to make straws where he can most likely fall. In particular, he no longer considers national projects as a certain immutable value and makes their implementation dependent on various factors.

If the tool is incorrectly formed at the very beginning, then, having fulfilled all the elements of the national project, the national goals cannot be achieved. In general, national projects are living documents. What is accepted now will change over time, because individual instruments of national projects will be effective, they will be strengthened.


Here is how! Vladimir Vladimirovich thinks that national projects will be for the most part effective, otherwise they would hardly have started such global programs like the “May decree.” But Maxim Oreshkin thinks a little differently: he believes in advance that only individual tools of national projects will be effective, and generously agrees to support and strengthen these tools. Well, commendable audacity. It’s still not entirely clear whether they managed to evaluate it in the Kremlin - the quote is quite fresh ...

In principle, the Central Bank does not consider the measures proposed by the government in the framework of the implementation of the “May decree” unambiguously failed or useless. His assessment is more cautious: according to experts of the Central Bank, it will take too much time to implement the measures proposed by the government, and the returns from them will appear no earlier than 2021 of the year, and most of the positive changes are expected to be completely “beyond the forecast period”. The wording is actually interesting - if the implementation of the “May decree” has a very short timeframe, up to and including 2024, then canceling out two years is akin to a sentence. And the refusal to look “beyond the forecast period” is more like a reluctance to voice unpleasant information that could damage our precious stability.

But do not rush to throw stones at the government and praise the Central Bank. Alas, his conclusions have already been questioned by many experts. In particular, they note that about one third of pensioners are still working. In addition, for many enterprises, age-related employees can be a rather serious burden, especially in light of the laws adopted to protect employees of pre-retirement age. Well, the productivity of employees of sixty years or more will surely be lower than the average for industry, especially in the manufacturing industries, construction, agriculture, etc.

Therefore, any bureaucratic ping-pong between the government and the Central Bank should be taken with some caution. And the question of which of them is better at doing their job can often be answered: "Both are worse."

But how pleasant it is that the pension money stolen from people will go to a good cause and stimulate economic growth in the country! But you could have a few more luxurious offices for the Pension Fund to build on and calm down on this. Or immediately build yacht record holders ...
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  1. Vard
    Vard 31 October 2018 05: 48
    +52
    I’ve been retired for two years ... Pension is the ceiling for ordinary people ... As I was told in the pension fund ... What can I say ... just eat ... It’s enough ... The slightest movement to the side ... Clothing buy or something else .... Enough for a couple of weeks ... That is, it’s normal to live on what pensioners pay ... Impossible!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 31 October 2018 06: 31
      -18
      Quote: Vard
      I have been retired for two years

      Young man, I’ve been retired for 18 years and still work in the same place ....
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 31 October 2018 06: 44
        +25
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Vard
        I have been retired for two years

        Young man, I’ve been retired for 18 years and still work in the same place ....

        Probably a road worker or an electrician for overhead line repair? belay Yes, you cannot expel such workers from the State Duma with a broom. It will burn, and you will come to the ashes for another 18 years - to work ...
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 31 October 2018 07: 04
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          you can’t drive a broom out of the State Duma

          And where did you get the idea that I'm in the State Duma? Where I worked pensions 10 years earlier give.
          And not for the ability to speak and not for beautiful eyes ...
          ps I would apologize in your place. hi
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 31 October 2018 08: 14
            +30
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote: Vard
            I have been retired for two years. Pension ceiling for ordinary people ...

            Young man, I’ve been retired for 18 years and still work in the same place ....Where I worked for retirement at 10 years earlier give.
            And why are you then a NORMAL pensioner equal to the PREFERRED pensioner ?!
            This is an incorrect comparison. And it is not yet known who you actually worked before and what you are working now. And also due to WHO and WHAT you are holding on to at the workplace.
            Maybe you are working at a STATE enterprise, and not at a PRIVATE. Then this can still be understood. On state. the company still somehow respects social guarantees, since there are still trade unions.
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 31 October 2018 08: 25
              +21
              But I, as a working pensioner, are interested in this question: is there an indexation of pensions for the Duma members and others like them? Something tells me that they excluded themselves from their list of destitute.
            2. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 31 October 2018 08: 35
              +1
              Tatyana love
              Work biography, from hard workers to a leading engineer ... And the company was state-owned. now private.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 31 October 2018 09: 06
                +27
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                Tatyana love
                Work biography, from hard workers to a leading engineer ... And the company was state-owned. now private.
                Why then did you retire 10 years earlier? How did you manage to get from workers to the position of a leading engineer for 18 years at the "old age" of years to get. What kind of nonsense production did you have?

                I have a relative who has designed submarines all my life. In retirement, he continued to work without a break for more 7 years as a leading designer only because young people kept on salaries in 15 thousand rubles. no more than 3-5 years just because diplomas of higher education did not disappear from them. But they work with coolness, respectively. So my relative plowed for them - he checked all the time and, if anything, their work he himself was urgently redone. But now he is already 2 or 3 of the year as a stroke invalid.
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 31 October 2018 09: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  10 years earlier retired?

                  It's just that I am so smart and beautiful and the state gave me a pension 10 years earlier and also a Veteran of Labor! Tatyana, I with my hump and a little mind
                  it earned. And I studied all my life and have been working as a leading engineer for more than 20 years. And the company is not so big, but the whole of Sakhalin encompasses in its line and still grabs the mainland. So leave your speculation.
                  PS Two heart attacks tells you anything? hi
                  1. nikvic46
                    nikvic46 31 October 2018 09: 44
                    +27
                    Vladimir. Work for your health. For example, I respect people like you. Not only
                    it is necessary to equate all workers on their own. Some are poisoned in the workplace, others retire, because they stood at the machine tools for a long time, and they have foot disease. Health to you.
                    1. Uncle lee
                      Uncle lee 31 October 2018 09: 50
                      +14
                      Thanks for your kind words ! I am also against raising the retirement age.
                      If a person wants and CAN work, then this is his own business.
                      It just so happened that the work dragged me on and I can’t quit ...
                      And all the best to you!
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 31 October 2018 11: 38
                        +19
                        Not all pensioners can share your optimism, everyone is born and dies alone
                  2. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 31 October 2018 09: 51
                    +21
                    Quote: Uncle Lee
                    It's just that I am so smart and beautiful, and the state gave me a pension on 10 years earlier and also a Veteran of Labor!
                    Actually, our state does not give any benefits for "pretty eyes". But let's put that aside.
                    I believe you that you are a hard worker.
                    Quote: Uncle Lee
                    PS Two heart attacks tell you anything?

                    Zainka, my good! Vladimir! Then why are you still working?
                    My husband unexpectedly from the second MICROinfarction in my arms, though without pain, died. He died and returned 10 times, but never returned to 11 times.
                    I then 4 years from his death in life could not come to my senses! Every week on the weekend, as if bewitched, I went to his cemetery, until his sister found out about it and "set" my brains that it is impossible to live in the past for so long. That life goes on and we must live in the present.
                    1. Uncle lee
                      Uncle lee 31 October 2018 12: 20
                      +6
                      I’m sorry ... Tatyana, I’ve spent twenty years in the fishing and St. John’s Fleet after sailing, then I went ashore, I was called to the Sakhmora Shipping Company as a radio engineer, and I have been working in this field for almost 50 years. Already 20 years
                      BERNA team, repair and install new radio equipment. I do not take anyone's place, we have a staff of 80% retired. Work disciplines and mobilizes, and at home it becomes soggy and sores catch up. Like this. hi
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 31 October 2018 15: 11
                        +8
                        Quote: Uncle Lee
                        will become limp and sores will catch up.
                        I remembered.
                        When I filled out the documents for servicing my husband's body in the morgue and talked with the pathologist doctor - and my mother had died 2 months and 7 days before that and her body was also prepared for funeral in the same morgue by the same doctor - he had me with I remembered that time, was filled with sympathy for me and began to calm me down. He says to me: "You love him so much now. But believe my medical experience, after 10 clinical deaths in a row, your husband would remain a walking" vegetable ", for which you would have to not just watch every minute, but with him around the apartment walk to walk and watch steadily so that he does not do anything dangerous. He walked through the apartment - and you, like a tail, follow him. And so the whole life! He would not at all understand what he was doing. He would automatically turn on the gas and leave - then you would be gone too. From him, as he was in his previous life, absolutely nothing would remain - and you would simply hate him. And so you have the faintest memory of him! Do you understand me? " - "Understood, doctor! Thank you for soothing me! I sympathize with you too. You have such a hard work ... You probably have to calm every relative like this with pills?" - "Yes, this is not the worst thing in our work. But you are right. I would quit this job, but no one wants to go to work as pathologists in our place. And the point here is not at all what you think and say. that sometimes it seems to me that I'm going crazy. " - "How so?" - "Well, you know, I open so many people for my duty — and so every duty — that I come home, I close my eyes — and there are corpses in front of my eyes and how I open them. You know, it's like after picking blueberries in the forest. You close your eyes, and in your eyes there are blueberry bushes with full-bodied berries. And I have a wife and a small child at home. And I cannot disconnect from work. "
                      2. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 31 October 2018 15: 36
                        +6
                        Tatyana love Life situation, but few such people remained in the world ....
                  3. VeteranVSSSR
                    VeteranVSSSR 31 October 2018 18: 56
                    +6
                    You need less to thump !!!, but this is a joke ...
                    As a resident of another state, maybe not in the subject, I will assume that the so-called `` pension forum '' has begun to roll on us.
                    According to the old, I would have 90 days left until retirement, but to this day +2,5 years ... Is it a lot or a little ??? and heck knows him ...
                    At 30, I could catch up on the horizontal bar 18-22 times, but today I don’t even try.
                    But I am sure that NO ONE pensioner would go to work with a decent pension. I mean those pensioners who work for the state, and perhaps for `` orphans. '' A husband from work is kicked in front of him, because his penis is heavier and they did not raise a full glass !!!
                    Well, a gene / designer, a leading engineer is not a profession, this is the meaning of life and while they are alive, or rather they are alive thanks to the flight of their mind ...
                    To this day, I have 43 years of work experience ... The question is, who needs this and is interesting ???
                    As they say in our Republic of Belarus, that anyone who does not live up to retirement will work after cremation in an hourglass.
              2. aglet
                aglet 31 October 2018 10: 11
                0
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                lead engineer ...

                keyword. As far as I remember, ITRs do not have such a right to a preferential pension? or so it used to be? but in any case, the main tool of labor is a pencil and a stool
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 31 October 2018 12: 05
                  +3
                  20 years in the navy, fishing and St. John's wort ... Then it was an engineer.
              3. Detnix
                Detnix 31 October 2018 14: 01
                +1
                Yes, the specialists of the old engineering school are in demand, my mother’s friend at her 77 still plows.
              4. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 3 November 2018 20: 33
                -3
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                Tatyana love
                Work biography, from hard workers to a leading engineer ... And the company was state-owned. now private.

                Yeah, hunchback on someone else's uncle, earn him on villas and yachts, instead of doing something the country needs. Moreover, your "employer" probably took / bought this enterprise from the country by deception and scams, so you work for another moneybag .If you really are such a valuable employee, then you would be hired by a state enterprise.
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 4 November 2018 02: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                  hunch

                  All hired workers "hunchback" to one structure or another. And my "master" apart from a two-room apartment, received back in the USSR, has nothing but debts ... And our enterprise performs the functions laid down by Popov - "Saving human life at sea and providing communication and navigation! And I am in this profession almost 50 years old, which I am proud of. hi
                2. Lantau
                  Lantau 4 November 2018 13: 44
                  0
                  Dear, before you hang up labels on a person, you would first ask what BERNA does ... For example, in Nakhodka, there are no cameras left, optimization ...
                3. naidas
                  naidas 5 November 2018 16: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                  If you really are such a valuable employee, then you would have been taken to a state-owned enterprise.

                  Not funny joke.
                  At our state-owned enterprise, a valuable shot should be silent, support the boss and not have any flights. But to understand the technique and the work is not important.
          2. aglet
            aglet 31 October 2018 10: 07
            0
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Where I worked for retirement at 10 years earlier give.

            and you worked there, because they give pensions 10 years earlier, or at the call of the soul?
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 31 October 2018 11: 28
              +7
              Quote: aglet
              at the call of the soul?

              In those years we were romantics and who thinks about retirement at 18?
              From my release to the sea, another walks! at 70 years old!
          3. Ace Tambourine
            Ace Tambourine 1 November 2018 18: 24
            +4
            And to lower this commentator to horizon 400, and lead him through the development by showing a hanging stab on a half-cube, so that on the way back this stab would lie on the floor of the drift ... Yes, ride in a trolley along the cargo slope, and force him to raise "Uncle Vanya" stretcher along the ladder in the passenger slope from half a kilometer ...
            It was obligatory in us at the Supreme Court; 2 times a week, a sauna at a temperature of 120 degrees ... Since then, it’s been cold in my bathhouse ...
            Upon admission, he signed the initial 2-year contract, where it was written in black and white that he agreed to take mortal risk for the sake of saving people ...
            I will never forget my first descent into the mine ...
            I have not guessed ... and then okay ...
            By the way, it was possible to violate the point about risking your life and refuse ... In my memory, this was not ... Just then in this structure you will never work NEVER ...
            By the way ... zp miners in the south of the Urals 20-30 kilo rubles with part-time jobs ... As many rescuers ...
            Have you ever faced the gates to Hell?
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 2 November 2018 06: 26
              +1
              Quote: Ace of Diamonds
              Have you ever faced the gates to Hell?

              Igor, good day. I can answer your question: Have you looked into the face of the abyss?
              Each profession has its own "charms" ... I will not paint, take my word for it.
              I respect the work of any person, but I could not become a miner, I have claustrophobia. And for many, fear of water and motion sickness is only looking at the wave.
              I wish you success in hard work.
              PS My classmate, having worked at sea, left and became a miner. Now lives in Gorlovka, retired. Yours faithfully
        2. naidas
          naidas 5 November 2018 16: 09
          0
          In our fire department operators, a woman after 70 years old (15 years retired) and works, raised her children, now she’s raising her grandson.
      2. Titsen
        Titsen 31 October 2018 06: 49
        +31
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I have been retired for 18 years and still work in the same place ...

        I’ve been in military service for 15 years, I have changed many places and I know by hearsay - no one needs old people!

        Experience is experience, but illness and labor productivity are very lame.

        Working pensioners, as in a saying, will not plow deeply ..
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 31 October 2018 07: 26
          +1
          Quote: Titsen
          do not plow deeply ..

          But even pull! hi
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 31 October 2018 08: 42
          +19
          Quote: Titsen
          Experience is experience, but illness and labor productivity are very lame. Working pensioners, as the saying goes, will not plow deeply ..
          But the government doesn’t need it so that pensioners give Stakhanov records to the mountain. Stupidly hindered spending the budget on potential senior citizens of the coming years, who will now plow further to the established age level. Type created competition in the labor market, thereby stimulating business development through the creation of entrepreneurship, and in fact forcing young people to climb into the shadows, which will knock out their work experience for calculating pensions in the future. They themselves will not receive either jobs or additional taxes, since our sub-government has only one goal - ensuring the country's economic underdevelopment.
        3. 79807420129
          79807420129 31 October 2018 12: 35
          +5
          Quote: Titsen
          Experience is experience, but illness and labor productivity are very lame. Working pensioners, as the saying goes, will not plow deeply ..

          Dear Colleague, I will give up my place with pleasure. Also a young pensioner, only 2 years in retirement, but one catch is that there is no one to give in request , it’s not painful, the youth is torn into the foundry, just came to the foundry
          Quote: aglet
          because there they give pensions 10 years earlier

          Yes, that’s 25 years. hi
          PS State Enterprise UEC. Foundry. hi
      3. asiat_61
        asiat_61 31 October 2018 09: 45
        0
        I’m an old man, I’m retired for 18 years and still work in the same place ....
        ... Apparently working in a foundry, at a blast furnace?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 31 October 2018 12: 09
          0
          He did not work in the foundry, but for 20 years in the seas, he fished, beat the beast in the far North ...
          1. aglet
            aglet 31 October 2018 15: 01
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Lee

            He did not work in the foundry, but for 20 years in the seas, he fished, beat the beast in the far North

            what an interesting fate, the beast has beaten for 20 years and the leading engineer for 20 years. what production, if not secret?
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 31 October 2018 15: 21
              +5
              Quote: aglet
              if it `s not a secret?

              It’s no secret that for many people who can only knock on the clave, I caught fish and beat the beast and rolled barrels and cooper and at the same time was the head of the radio station on various ships, from RS, ZS, ZRS and PB, and then 20 years as a leading engineer in BERNA. Considering that I have a fifty-year experience. That's it, sons .... hi
              1. aglet
                aglet 31 October 2018 21: 06
                0
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                It's no secret, for many who can only knock on the clave

                I'm so smart and beautiful, I can knock not only on the clave, and not only knock. in fact, I’ve been in a furrow for 16 years, then graduated from the army, studied, worked as an engineer for 17 years, repairing agricultural machinery, though in the extreme south. Then the state did not need me, along with agriculture, I had to look for work. found, worked there for another 16 years, though already with a sledgehammer and a crowbar, but also under repair. interestingly, we also had pensions earlier, but
                five years, I’ve been retired for 7 years. we have few who work after retirement — hard work, plus all the time in the open air. one colleague died on the day of retirement, another one in three months. but I know one senior engineer at the chief technologist in our office, 72 years old, he endorses the very necessary papers in the paper circulation, a separate office, all matters and the salary is quite decent, even higher than that of his boss. and that’s characteristic, nobody’s place is occupied, it was created specifically for him. Here is how pensioners work after retirement. One small detail is his son-in-law, the director of this office. and so everything is correct, his experience is like before the moon. well, God forbid him health, let him work, so he’s a good man, but a weak man
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 1 November 2018 01: 24
                  +3
                  Quote: aglet
                  I have been retired for 7 years

                  With which I congratulate you! Everyone has their own destiny and what we should boast about who has worked harder and who has a harder sledgehammer .... And in my place there were many applicants, the same specialists as I did .... So I was more professional. Our town is small and everyone knows everything about each other. So I work.
                  And I don’t have a father-in-law or a son-in-law ... All by myself, all by myself ...
                  And success to you and health. hi
      4. aglet
        aglet 31 October 2018 10: 03
        -3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Young man, I’ve been retired for 18 years and still work in the same place ....

        really a blacksmith? or not, steelworker, you are a steelworker.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 31 October 2018 12: 10
          0
          He did not work in the foundry, but for 20 years in the seas, he fished, beat the beast in the far North ...
    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 31 October 2018 11: 10
      -6
      Quote: Vard
      Pension ceiling for ordinary people

      How many? I know quite a few retirees who even travel.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 31 October 2018 11: 22
        +6
        So do I. Israeli, German.
        1. Semen1972
          Semen1972 31 October 2018 11: 46
          -5
          Quote: Krasnodar

          So do I. Israeli, German.

          I live outside of Russia ... more precisely in Moscow. How many times I went into the travel agency and waited around the field, while my grandmother decided where to go .. imagine ... wildness for you, but it is a FACT !!!! What is the pension in Moscow, you know ??
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 31 October 2018 11: 48
            +5
            Quote: Semen1972
            Quote: Krasnodar

            So do I. Israeli, German.

            I live outside of Russia ... more precisely in Moscow. How many times I went into the travel agency and waited around the field, while my grandmother decided where to go .. imagine ... wildness for you, but it is a FACT !!!! What is the pension in Moscow, you know ??

            I do not know. I know that in Moscow my grandmother may have her own apartment and two more that she rents out. 30-50 per month. And the children are successful. So not an indicator. )))
            1. aglet
              aglet 31 October 2018 15: 03
              +5
              Quote: Krasnodar
              What is the pension in Moscow, you know ??

              I do not know.

              and something else there Sobyanin pays extra, not weak money
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 31 October 2018 12: 20
            +6
            But I’m looking at retirees in a hospital bed and I think, see there are different retirees in Moscow
            1. Semen1972
              Semen1972 31 October 2018 15: 22
              -1
              Quote: Silvestr
              But I’m looking at retirees in a hospital bed and I think, see there are different retirees in Moscow

              There are different. So do not mark everything under one brush, and say that there is someone who is bad, but who is good. Someone in the north receives good ones, some receive military pensions. Seriously, many of my friends from my friends help their children .. buy apartments, go abroad.
              And to find the poorest and say that the whole country is such ... well, this is demagogy .. I’ll poke you on any initiative on homeless people and say that only homeless people live in the country. In different ways, everyone lives!
          3. AK1972
            AK1972 31 October 2018 12: 27
            +3
            I live outside of Russia ... more precisely, in Moscow

            So in Moscow or in Russia?
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 31 October 2018 12: 43
              +2
              Russia is not a fig not Moscow, but Moscow is not a fig not Russia laughing
              The advantages of Moscow are civil, the opportunity (more opportunities) to earn, a rich cultural life. Disadvantages - the climate and the time you spend on moving around the city.
              1. Unemployed
                Unemployed 4 November 2018 09: 54
                0
                And here I propose - every year to transfer the capital to another city. According to the lottery. You see - the economic effect for the country will be more abrupt than that of China.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 4 November 2018 09: 54
                  0
                  True, a third of the country's budget will remain laughing
                  1. Unemployed
                    Unemployed 4 November 2018 09: 58
                    +1
                    Well, at least something will remain. :)
            2. Semen1972
              Semen1972 31 October 2018 15: 06
              -2
              Where the President and the government, in our Russia, are far from zamkadyshe.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 31 October 2018 17: 16
                +1
                Quote: Semen1972
                Where the President and the government, in our Russia, are far from zamkadyshe.

                You are still democratic))
                And then for many, life ends outside the Garden Ring ...
                And zamkadysh from Borvikha, Zhukovka and all sorts of Great - well, finally it sucks laughing
                Although, Novo-Ogorevo somewhere in those parts of the castle is located, no? wink
                1. Semen1972
                  Semen1972 31 October 2018 17: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Although, Novo-Ogorevo somewhere in those parts of the castle is located, no?

                  There are no locks, there is beyond our universe. One cannot be mortal there, first one must become a celestial.
          4. at84432384
            at84432384 1 November 2018 00: 41
            +3
            I know. I live in Moscow. Pension 12153. Slightly more than 1000 pay extra for a student son. I have been working for 39 years. Well, smart pensions in Moscow? I am a highly qualified engineer.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 31 October 2018 11: 35
        +3
        I saw such rotting. Here are bastards mocking their retirees
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 1 November 2018 12: 20
      0
      With our pensions is not life, but vegetation.
  2. Note 2
    Note 2 31 October 2018 05: 52
    +15
    Julie that the government that the Central Bank and they are not the first time to punish people.
    1. Semen1972
      Semen1972 31 October 2018 11: 16
      -7
      Quote: Prim2
      Julie that the government that the Central Bank and they are not the first time to punish people.

      Troll ordinary. Pensioners are the main readership of Putin.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 31 October 2018 06: 01
    +25
    It seems that the people are just superfluous at this celebration of life ...
  4. zyzx
    zyzx 31 October 2018 06: 15
    +18
    To develop production, as I understand it, they don’t even think.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 31 October 2018 06: 28
      0
      his economic genius is very limited,
      And the rest, too!
      So what to expect from them?
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 31 October 2018 06: 55
      +42
      They just have trouble with logic. Pension reform by itself will not create new industries and new jobs. On the contrary, a sharp increase in the "able-bodied" population will create a terrible deficit for work, which employers will certainly take advantage of (a terrible grin of capitalism, it’s worth it) -> real wages will fall; official unemployment will rise, unofficial unemployment will run into the stratosphere. Right before that, “caring” about the self-employed was added to the existing fake support for small and medium-sized businesses ...
      Everything suits them right, an ace after an ace from the sleeve to grab and topple over the hill with the ridge.
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 31 October 2018 10: 34
        +4
        Everything suits them right, an ace after an ace from the sleeve to grab and topple over the hill with the ridge.

        And the understanding comes that they are doing this on the eve of the war. Only, idiots, they don’t understand when they will start to fight with us, their money the bourgeoisie (anyway what kind) will confiscate, and they themselves, that ..... in the front ranks, and they will put the detachment behind. And they will go as nice on our trenches in the attack. After all, everyone will not be taken to Gauleiter.
      2. akunin
        akunin 31 October 2018 10: 43
        +11
        Quote: g1washntwn
        Right before that, “caring” about the self-employed was added to the existing fake support for small and medium-sized businesses.

        and at this time, smart-headed Chinese abolished the income tax on those with an income of less than 5000 yuan (approximately 47 pieces of wood) in general.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 31 October 2018 19: 57
          +2
          Quote: akunin
          Quote: g1washntwn
          Right before that, “caring” about the self-employed was added to the existing fake support for small and medium-sized businesses.

          and at this time, smart-headed Chinese abolished the income tax on those with an income of less than 5000 yuan (approximately 47 pieces of wood) in general.

          Is it like all of ours with an average salary? belay Perhaps I’ll go to the Chinese.
      3. Detnix
        Detnix 31 October 2018 14: 03
        +6
        Of course, in our country the economy is bleeding money because of high interest rates, pension money is also pumped out of it, demand is falling, the next bottom.
      4. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 4 November 2018 13: 33
        0
        My friend works in the employment center. According to him, now many people prefer gray salaries. Why deductions to the PF, if you do not live up to retirement?
    3. Vlad 63
      Vlad 63 31 October 2018 08: 48
      +13
      Anecdote: "Maybe we will try to revive the economy?
      No, it is said: to paradise means to paradise. "
      1. Detnix
        Detnix 31 October 2018 14: 04
        +1
        Who?!! Look at their faces, I beg you.))
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 31 October 2018 12: 23
      +9
      Why? They think about their own well-being. I think that with such "successes" Putin will soon be cursed. How well EBN started and how he finished
    5. aglet
      aglet 31 October 2018 15: 05
      +3
      Quote: zyzx

      Develop production, as I understand it, they don’t even think

      why? Medvedev said, the goal of economic development is the collection of taxes from the population
  5. 3vs
    3vs 31 October 2018 06: 23
    +9
    I'm wondering if any other country has its own "May decrees"?
    Or is it intentionally done, send more people to the next world, so that
    Young people began to live better?
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 31 October 2018 06: 47
      +28
      In countries, there is a slightly different alternative to unrestrained "honest accumulation" - a progressive scale of taxation, the death penalty and the obligation of the law for all citizens.
      1. 3vs
        3vs 31 October 2018 07: 02
        +16
        "the obligation of the law for all citizens.", yes, we have it only in the bright future ...

        I’m talking a little about something else, for example, what the Americans would say to Donald if he had moved the initiative:
        In order to implement a breakthrough scientific and technological and
        US economic and social development increase
        the country's population, improving the standard of living of citizens,
        creating comfortable conditions for their living, as well as conditions and
        opportunities for self-realization and disclosure of each person’s talent
        I decide:
        1. US government to achieve
        following US national development goals on
        period until 2024 year:
        a) ensuring sustainable natural population growth
        US population
        b) increase in life expectancy to 78 years
        (by 2030 year - until 80 years);
        c) ensuring sustainable growth of real incomes of citizens, and
        also a rise in the level of pension provision above the level of inflation;
        d) halving the poverty level in the United States;
        e) improvement of living conditions for at least 5 million families annually;

        I think people would consider that the president is not all right with his health.
        And in our country a quarter of the population will be killed to carry out the numbers.
      2. your1970
        your1970 31 October 2018 10: 31
        +2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        In countries, there is a slightly different alternative to rampant "honest accumulation" - a progressive scale of taxation, the death penalty and binding law for all citizens.


        By all means, the law is binding on everyone !!! yes, yes, yes ... they are decent states, European ....

        Germany
        “How temporary accommodation centers for refugees turned into a feeding trough for German officials, REN TV journalists found out.
        German refugee camps are becoming a hotbed of unheard of corruption. There is one name from the video surveillance system, and it is not clear whether it is needed here at all: in provincial migrant shelters it is so quiet that protecting them is a waste. But money is falling into the account of the agile private security company - one of the largest in Germany - BSS Sicherheitsdienst, whose work is more than dust-free. Hiring at least a couple of such guards costs the state budget hundreds of thousands of euros annually.
        Two former colleagues of Ivan Yurchevich, an ex-employee of BSS, are now in custody, and he himself felt that he left the suspicious business on time. The opened fraud schemes, of course, did not become a revelation for him.
        "Corruption and refugees are the new German reality. Just imagine, it is now in the order of things: I give you a contract for 300 thousand euros and it’s completely normal if in return I get such a small envelope. And you just say: here you are, all the best to you! "- says Ivan.
        At BSS, which has almost the entire security business under control in this region, they have learned how to share it with officials.
        Envelopes, kickbacks, feasts and even planes to hot countries have become indispensable attributes in Germany covered by the migration crisis. Some suffer - others profit. All means, even in such a law-abiding country, turned out to be good for obtaining tasty government contracts. "

        Sound familiar?
    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 31 October 2018 11: 18
      -11
      Quote: 3vs
      Or is it intentionally done, send more people to the next world, so that
      Young people began to live better?

      Past May decrees: Healthcare - the result is an increase in life expectancy of about 10 years, Housing - record construction and mortgages. What exactly do you dislike. Can statistics data ??
  6. Conductor
    Conductor 31 October 2018 06: 28
    +7
    Where is the production and where is the Central Bank of Russia !!!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 31 October 2018 06: 49
      +14
      Quote: Conductor
      Where is the production and where is the Central Bank of Russia !!!

      More precisely, it’s time to find out whose Central Bank this is and how it differs from the state bank ... We set up Fed branches and rejoice as we swallow dust here ...
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 31 October 2018 10: 37
        +2
        You yourself answered your own question. "Our Central Bank", organizationally and subordinate to the US Federal Reserve. This is a well-known fact. "The Government of Russia", "Our Central Bank", does not obey the word at all. About this and in the "Constitution of Russia", it is written And there is a special law on "our Central Bank".
      2. Semen1972
        Semen1972 31 October 2018 11: 20
        -6
        Quote: ROSS 42
        More precisely, it's time to find out whose Central Bank in general

        The one who appoints its chairman, isn't it ???? Have you been banned in Google, or will you still find who appoints the head of the Central Bank ?? I’ll ruin your worldview but .... it's hard to believe ... but not Obama and Trump appointed the head of our Central Bank !!!! Can you imagine ??? It’s hard to imagine ... but Putin and the State Duma !!!!! Wow .... sit down, drink some water !!!.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 31 October 2018 06: 58
      +18
      Production and the Bank are incompatible concepts. The first creates material values, and the second - the object of purely speculative transactions. Now speculators rule the economy, not the creators of material resources.
      1. pru-pavel
        pru-pavel 31 October 2018 08: 22
        -16
        No one forces you to take bank loans. You can build a vegetable stall without taking loans from a bank.
        1. asiat_61
          asiat_61 31 October 2018 09: 51
          +7
          pru-pavel (Paul) Today, 08:22 AM NEW
          -3
          Have you tried to open it?
        2. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 31 October 2018 10: 54
          +4
          Does the vegetable stall PRODUCE the product? Pavel, your "arguments" and trolling are not convincing.
          1. pru-pavel
            pru-pavel 31 October 2018 10: 59
            -1
            Well, in general, it doesn’t produce the goods, but it does the service (which is quite significant and demanded as a rule). Well, the workshop can be opened, they often produce goods. Without banks, it’s unlikely that anything serious can be built. So much money will not work to earn. Therefore, to develop production, money is not earned, but attracted, most often including in banks. Again - well, you don’t like banks, don’t use it, well, nobody forcibly pulls rowing loans there. Earned - spent. Such a scheme still works.
            1. g1washntwn
              g1washntwn 31 October 2018 12: 01
              +5
              From the point of view of economics, you confuse the process of PRODUCING material values ​​with the process of distribution and valuation. Banks support the basic functions of MONEY (I will not repeat which ones) and they should only be an intermediary in the "commodity-money-commodity" chain. The modern perverse model (consumer, not production) has distorted the foundations of commodity-money relations to such an extent that now, in this chain, the function of valuation of goods has come to command the initial processes of creation and consumption. If you understand the difference between a stall and fundamental concepts, of course.
      2. Semen1972
        Semen1972 31 October 2018 11: 48
        -9
        Quote: g1washntwn
        Now the economy is driven by speculators, not creators of material resources.

        So ask at work for you s / n to give out the products of your labor !!!! Well, why turn a normal propaganda resource into the trash of some trolls, populists, slogans and amateurs .... poor topvar ... hold on ...
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 31 October 2018 12: 23
          +2
          No arguments other than screaming "trash heap, propaganda, trolls"? Do not participate in the discussion and do not produce offtopic.
          1. Semen1972
            Semen1972 31 October 2018 15: 11
            -8
            Quote: g1washntwn
            The modern perverse model (consumer, not production) has distorted the foundations of commodity-money relations to such an extent that now in this chain the function of valuing goods has become com

            Only you live in ADU, I am personally pleased, travel, see the world, do what I love and hobbies. HELL only in your head ... if they are present.
            1. g1washntwn
              g1washntwn 1 November 2018 11: 53
              +1
              Not noticing and pretending that you do not notice is much more convenient than admitting the truth as it is <- these people are in HELL, as you put it. And in general, a pessimist is a well-informed optimist)))
            2. victor50
              victor50 1 November 2018 12: 18
              +3
              Quote: Semen1972
              Only you live in ADU, I am personally pleased, travel, see the world, do what I love and hobbies. HELL only in your head ... if they are present.

              It’s a disaster - only old women interfere with traveling, they buy all the tickets, we have to languish in the queues !!! laughing Storyteller!
        2. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 4 November 2018 13: 46
          0
          Quote: Semen1972
          So ask at work for you s / n to give out the products of your labor !!!! Well, why turn a normal propaganda resource into the trash of some trolls, populists, slogans and amateurs .... poor topvar ... hold on ..

          There is a logical contradiction between the 2nd sentence and the 1st one, which is unambiguously fat trolling. A troll complaining about trolls. Above we wrote about the "product-money-product" chain. Goods (labor) - money (salary) - goods (spent the salary).
  7. Alex66
    Alex66 31 October 2018 06: 41
    +8
    In Russia, as in the USSR, the economy is determined by ideology (which does not exist) only now is capitalistic and the problem is that our government rushes to extremes, it plans everything, then the market will regulate everything. They can no longer use their minds without advisers. After all, there are advantages as planned, without it it is impossible to carry out a large project, and market it is more suitable for consumer goods, services.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 31 October 2018 06: 58
      +10
      They can no longer use their minds without advisers.
      ... And he was ... mind ...
    2. Semen1972
      Semen1972 31 October 2018 11: 50
      -7
      Quote: Alex66
      In Russia, as in the USSR, ideology determines economics

      Ideology??? And what is YOU- personally YOU ideology ??? !!!!! You work with which ideology go ???
  8. kyznets
    kyznets 31 October 2018 06: 56
    -4
    We have what we have. We have no other country, and no other government either. We, the pensioners, have only one thing left: to work while there is work (thank God!) And while the legs go and the hands do. There are no options for other governments to be at least as good as the existing one. But as usual in Russia, in the absence of options, a dark horse necessarily appears.
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 31 October 2018 10: 42
      +12
      Quote: kyznets
      We have what we have. We have no other country, and no other government either. We, the pensioners, have only one thing left: to work while there is work (thank God!) And while the legs go and the hands do.

      You really don’t understand that now, before retirees (whom the law can still be painlessly dismissed) will be fired first of all? So to speak, far from sin:
      "the law on criminal punishment for unjustified refusal to hire or unjustified dismissal of a citizen five years or less before the appointment of an old-age insurance pension. For committing this crime, a fine of up to 200 thousand rubles will be imposed or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to 18 months or compulsory work for a period of up to 360 hours. "
      If it’s not clear, I can explain the motivation for such decisions:
      1) Why should I keep an employee with whom I can then have problems with dismissal
      2) Why should I keep an employee whose work capacity is likely to be less than that of a young one (with the exception of certain professions, for example, faculty), and looking at which the younger ones will say that they work for him, but they receive the same salary and with whom I can then have problems with dismissal.
      3) Why should I risk a possible criminal punishment (I know, I know our courts are the most honest, fair and humane in the world)
      I would definitely think 101 times whether to take this now to work. Hard? Of course. Just take into account that the business (first of all, small and medium) in the realities of our country is fighting for survival and there are far fewer chances to succeed today than becoming bankrupt. Why? Yes, because the population the farther, the less solvent.
      And so of course, if your legs are walking and while your hands are doing, of course, work with God. And do not hesitate, the government thinks and cares about you. Two times framed: 1 time - an increase in pensions. age, (no one forbade you to work before), 2 times, in such a law that it was better to dismiss pensioners in advance (but it was necessary on the contrary, to stimulate the employer, so that it would be profitable to accept older employees). Will substitute the third and fourth, do not hesitate.
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 31 October 2018 10: 42
      +2
      But as usual in Russia, in the absence of options, a dark horse necessarily appears.

      Alas, it does not appear on its own, it is being created with Western money and with a completely understandable purpose. As for retirement, I still have time before it ("thanks" to "our government", it has become even more), I try my best to learn as long as possible, and push my children to a higher level, so that my wife and I will not be forgotten when let us become weak. We only hope for them.
  9. afrikanez
    afrikanez 31 October 2018 07: 11
    +13
    With such a government and the Central Bank, no enemies are needed. This is who will "bring the country to the handle"!
  10. edeligor
    edeligor 31 October 2018 07: 15
    +22
    The reasons for higher growth, according to the Central Bank, simply do not exist: employment in the country is “full” (this is an estimate of the Central Bank), the utilization of production capacities is close to historic highs, and it is almost impossible to use free production capacities yet: they, according to the Central Bank, are strong outdated and lacking workers.
    I didn't understand what country I lived in all this time ?! Where is the production capacity WHA? And what, there are also free ones in stockpiles? Unemployment has outlived itself completely as in the Union? ESSAYALLY "moon-faced" and all the other Siruanovs with the mysterious "Central Bank" are not just like the "Decembrists" before and are far from the people - the top has long been in another reality, where we, sirms, have no place. Conclusions, friends, I'm even afraid to pronounce ........
    1. Vlad 63
      Vlad 63 31 October 2018 08: 25
      +9
      Do not pronounce, otherwise 280 article of the Criminal Code. But we all understood.
  11. Snail N9
    Snail N9 31 October 2018 07: 26
    +25
    If you recall this


    and get this as a result


    then in the end it can come to this
    1. Vlad 63
      Vlad 63 31 October 2018 08: 18
      +7
      It's a pity you can't put several hundred "+" at once. ))))
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 31 October 2018 08: 52
        -7
        The liberoids only dream about it - the war of grace is a way for them to enrich themselves, and they don’t give a damn about the country. They raise us to the Maidan by reforms. No need to give in. We will quietly go down and ...
        1. Vlad 63
          Vlad 63 31 October 2018 08: 59
          +11
          That is, you propose not to do anything, so that the top does not do, what laws do not compose, how would not plunder the wealth of the people? Do you propose to silently impoverish the population in the richest country?
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 31 October 2018 09: 17
            -9
            So far, do nothing, wait for the USA, the Fed, the IMF to collapse, and then the chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation can be changed. This is not yet possible due to rating agencies. Thanks again to EBN for Central Bank reforms. Central Bank of the Fed.
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 31 October 2018 10: 53
              +7
              Quote: Tank jacket
              So far, do nothing, wait for the USA, the Fed, the IMF to collapse, and then the chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation can be changed. This is not yet possible due to rating agencies. Thanks again to EBN for Central Bank reforms. Central Bank of the Fed.

              With pleasure, especially if you need to do nothing for this. I'm ready to wait. How long should you wait? Is 100 years enough? Well, yes, I won't see it anymore, my son won't see it anymore, maybe my grandchildren? And if 100 years are not enough, grandchildren and great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren can also wait, well, until everything happens by itself, there is the USA, the FRS, the IMF. The main thing is that "our" authorities, who are exactly the heirs of the EBN, also endured and did not give up power for another 100 years. By the way, meme IDUN, aren't you the author?
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 31 October 2018 11: 00
                -3
                Most likely the end of 2019, they have debts for 15 months and in the year 12.
                1. Leshy1975
                  Leshy1975 31 October 2018 11: 10
                  +5
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Most likely the end of 2019, they have debts for 15 months and in the year 12.

                  At such a pace of adoption of laws to rob the population, which will just work in 2019, our country would live to see the end of 2019. No, you certainly can think that the population will endure meekly. And for the United States, let the Americans primarily have a headache, we would have to deal with our mess, then they will not be so scary.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 31 October 2018 11: 45
              +9
              And when to live? Communism waited, did not wait. Now waiting for the collapse of capitalism?
            3. victor50
              victor50 1 November 2018 12: 24
              +1
              Quote: Tank jacket
              So far, do nothing, wait for the USA, the Fed, the IMF to collapse, and then the chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation can be changed. This is not yet possible due to rating agencies. Thanks again to EBN for Central Bank reforms. Central Bank of the Fed.
              Reply

              Enemies Around !!! How else have you mentioned Jews? request And we ourselves, as always, are not to blame for anything! Maybe because we don’t do anything ?!
          2. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 31 October 2018 10: 50
            +5
            And who will allow us to get rich in our country? Government, president, oligarchs? They, and all foreign "good uncles" need only one thing from us: that we all die, and before we die, give them everything we own. This is their "blue dream" and they are confidently moving towards it. As it is written in the "Constitution of Russia", RF is a welfare state. Therefore, all social guarantees and benefits are only for those who declare it. All others are deprived of this by definition. And all the current "tightening the screws" is just another element of preparation for war. The truth is not that they are preparing, but they do not know it yet.
        2. Semen1972
          Semen1972 31 October 2018 11: 51
          -5
          Quote: Tank jacket
          The liberoids only dream about it - the war of grace is a way for them to enrich themselves, and they don’t give a damn about the country. They raise us to the Maidan by reforms.

          Trololo-trawl))) Green Trollo greetings from liberoids !!!! ))) Burn, comrade ... by the way, do you know Trump is preparing a plan of attack on Russia .. for the summer appointed, you urgently need to prepare everything for the front !!!!!
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 31 October 2018 07: 28
    +13
    I don’t want to talk about retirement, ours, which is for hard workers .... there are no words, but it’s still impossible to express oneself.
    But the calculations of the Central Bank are an indicator and the reason why ALL of our goats .... artiodactyls who have broken up want to leave our children without mathematical literacy !!! count without any education!
    The NUMBERS will immediately show everything, all the verbal husks, decrees, orders and so on, stuff, that’s a LIE!
    They can’t do anything, and they don’t do anything useful to the country and people, they tear, they take the last ....
    This is not disgusting, it's scary! Although a NORMAL person has a strong desire .... as there is in a joke - a tail to the ears, that! Okay, we can play the virtuous one, the legs raking that one, the most, the most, i.e. to the ears!
    1. Vlad 63
      Vlad 63 31 October 2018 08: 50
      +14
      Anecdote "The National Guard is retiring, but the parents are not yet!"
  13. Snail N9
    Snail N9 31 October 2018 07: 49
    +27
    Medvedok said just now that the "basis" of the Russian government's activities for the next 6 years will be ..... improving tax legislation and the quality of tax collection. That is, some other activity, such as the creation of new industries, jobs, etc., besides the tax robbery of citizens, is not even considered.
  14. Vlad 63
    Vlad 63 31 October 2018 08: 05
    +15
    From the article:
    Vladimir Vladimirovich thinks that national projects will be largely effective, otherwise he would hardly have started such global programs like the “May Decree”.

    VV, does not think about anything except about his close circle of persons. If he thought, probably remembered about the fund nats. welfare (5 trillion rubles), according to the charter of which it was created to replenish the pension fund in the event of a shortage of funds. And the May decrees and the next May decree is for a people with protruding ears for noodles, which has a memory like fish.
  15. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 31 October 2018 08: 46
    +3
    Pension reform, increased VAT, self-employed tax, greeting US congressmen standing in the State Duma of the Russian Federation is an act of coup by the liberal elite. Slowly these liberoids will be cleared.
  16. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 31 October 2018 08: 51
    +2
    Quote: afrikanez
    With such a government and the Central Bank, no enemies are needed. This is who will "bring the country to the handle"!

    Thanks to Alkash for making the Central Bank of Russia a branch of the Fed. “Let me manage the money in the country, and I don’t care who sets the laws there.”
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 31 October 2018 11: 01
      +8
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Quote: afrikanez
      With such a government and the Central Bank, no enemies are needed. This is who will "bring the country to the handle"!

      Thanks to Alkash for making the Central Bank of Russia a branch of the Fed. “Let me manage the money in the country, and I don’t care who sets the laws there.”

      But why did the greatest and most brilliant megagalactic ruler not correct? Not enough time? All hands do not reach? I agree, not when he thinks all about the people. Yes, and how not to think, plows like a slave in the galleys, but there is no one to replace, he alone is reliable. And he will not be, all, Khan to all that day. So we’ll say thanks to both of them: to Alkash and his faithful disciple and follower (in the case of the country’s deriban).
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 31 October 2018 11: 06
        -1
        But because then Kristin Lagarde will make a report and the next day all agencies will bring down the rating of the Russian Federation to the trash and will require all enterprises to return loans with interest every second. This IMF casino can only be left in case of a fire in the casino
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 31 October 2018 11: 23
          +7
          Quote: Tank jacket
          But because then Kristin Lagarde will make a report and the next day all agencies will bring down the rating of the Russian Federation to the trash and will require all enterprises to return loans with interest every second. This IMF casino can only be left in case of a fire in the casino

          It's right. Better to throw the population of the Russian Federation, so of course it will be safer for "our" authorities. Well, at least judging by their actions, they are sure of it. But the question is, if in this fun gambling game the population of the Russian Federation is needed only as suckers, then in figs we need it ourselves? Or do you want to continue, hoping to beat the thimblers? For example, the often voiced explanation: the price of gasoline rises because oil has fallen in price, the price of gasoline rises because oil has risen in price. Doesn't sound like a game of thimbles? Whoever wishes, continue.
        2. victor50
          victor50 1 November 2018 12: 30
          +5
          Quote: Tank jacket

          But because then Kristin Lagarde will make a report and the next day all agencies will bring down the rating of the Russian Federation to the trash and will require all enterprises to return loans with interest every second. This IMF casino can only be left in case of a fire in the casino

          In, brainwashed !!!! But didn’t have to think, if we do not return, what will happen? Or will they go back by force? And how did the USSR live without loans? Including and in the 20-30s? And what are we doing there at the IMF? And not your idol pulled the country into the WTO? Yes, he did so persistently, so many neighbors had to be broken that they interfered. laughing
        3. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 4 November 2018 14: 06
          +2
          Quote: Tank jacket
          But because then Kristin Lagarde will make a report and the next day all agencies will bring down the rating of the Russian Federation to the garbage one and require all enterprises to return loans with interest every second ...

          And they will also take away the Tuscan vineyards with the DAMA villa, the Suzanne villa from the relatives of the most brilliant and gallery owner, Madame Golodets, the Swiss country house and Italian apartment, Peskov’s American apartment ...
  17. Larum
    Larum 31 October 2018 09: 06
    +2
    "But it looks like something went wrong."
    Paraphrased Chernomyrdin?
    1. aglet
      aglet 31 October 2018 10: 20
      +4
      Quote: Larum

      "But it looks like something went wrong."

      no, everything goes as they planned, it goes
  18. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 31 October 2018 09: 10
    +5
    "... When planning the pension reform, the government assumed that there would be a positive financial result for several years from these measures. But after the adoption of the presidential amendments, it became clear that there would be no income, but, on the contrary, the government would have to finance the presidential amendments "Putin V.V.
    And still signed.
    Putin is careful in his statements. But Medvedev ... "you have to accept".
    The "pension reform" has not been conceived and is not being done in the interests of the country and the working people.
  19. Yan Sergeev
    Yan Sergeev 31 October 2018 09: 24
    +11

    I felt better right away
    1. aglet
      aglet 31 October 2018 10: 21
      +7
      Quote: Yan Sergeev
      I felt better right away

      you won't believe me too
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 31 October 2018 11: 50
      +5
      That would be a torpedo to pull!
  20. akudr48
    akudr48 31 October 2018 09: 31
    +13
    Vladimir Vladimirovich thinks that national projects will be largely effective, otherwise he would hardly have started such global programs like the “May Decree”.

    Licked deep and solid, offset!
  21. Conductor
    Conductor 31 October 2018 09: 39
    +12
    GDP understands in the economy as Papuans in Russian ballet. Although one understanding is to protect the property interests of your circle.
  22. nikvic46
    nikvic46 31 October 2018 09: 47
    +1
    Quote: Titsen
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    I have been retired for 18 years and still work in the same place ...


    I’ve been in military service for 15 years, I have changed many places and I know by hearsay - no one needs old people!

    Experience is experience, but illness and labor productivity are very lame.

    Working pensioners, as in a saying, will not plow deeply ..

    Working pensioners will not plow deeply, but they will not spoil the arable land.
  23. asiat_61
    asiat_61 31 October 2018 09: 56
    +8
    The government, the Central Bank, deputies, all can be blamed for the economic situation in Russia. BUT Putin drives them, and if he suffers such a government, which put on his directions, I do not understand this.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 31 October 2018 11: 12
      +2
      How does he steer, read the Constitution and remember how the deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation stood ovation to the sunken congressmen of the USA. The economic unit is driving the IMF. Learn materiel
  24. aglet
    aglet 31 October 2018 10: 01
    +2
    “But how nice it is that the pension money stolen from people will be used for a good cause and will stimulate economic growth in the country!
    the road to hell is paved with good intentions. everything is still ahead, still will be. the volumes are large, it is difficult to "master" at once, even if they will lie in the budget for now
  25. nikvic46
    nikvic46 31 October 2018 10: 09
    +7
    Each hard worker has his own professional illness. Yesterday, tax was discussed on many TV channels
    system in Russia. And, of course, the Soviet Union remembered with an unkind word. I did not understand why they were arguing so much.
    After all, our taxes are exactly the same as in the USSR. Everyone has the same 13%. True, incomes differ by one
    daylight hours.
  26. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 31 October 2018 11: 18
    0
    Quote: Leshy1975
    Quote: Tank jacket
    Most likely the end of 2019, they have debts for 15 months and in the year 12.

    At such a pace of adoption of laws to rob the population, which will just work in 2019, our country would live to see the end of 2019. No, you certainly can think that the population will endure meekly. And for the United States, let the Americans primarily have a headache, we would have to deal with our mess, then they will not be so scary.

    What do you suggest?
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 31 October 2018 12: 07
      +5
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Quote: Leshy1975
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Most likely the end of 2019, they have debts for 15 months and in the year 12.

      At such a pace of adoption of laws to rob the population, which will just work in 2019, our country would live to see the end of 2019. No, you certainly can think that the population will endure meekly. And for the United States, let the Americans primarily have a headache, we would have to deal with our mess, then they will not be so scary.

      What do you suggest?

      Now there is only one thing. The fastest change of the entire "elite". And you don't have to try to catch my tongue. I'm not going to slander the article. But when it flares up, it should, because the authorities themselves are trying their best for this. (it will flare up as a result of a combination of the work of the Russian "Lyovochkin", and the inadequacy of the authorities themselves). A fresh example, the situation in Ingushetia. It’s even surprising that there are still no casualties there (personally, my opinion, and God forbid that would have happened), but the atmosphere was created suitable (who, who is “Lyovochkin”, why, why exactly now, when discontent is growing anyway? But most likely, IT'S STILL EARLY and this is just the creation of tension and the command to "explode" yet), but there are enough interested parties. But the federal authorities have withdrawn themselves, and hopes that if this is on TV. do not speak, it will resolve itself. Here is the inadequacy of the authorities (Press Secretary of Vladimir Putin Dmitry Peskov refused to state the Kremlin's position on the border between Ingushetia and Chechnya. "These are the issues that the regions are dealing with"). So, when it starts, I propose not to sit at home, everything will be decided in the capital. And go and save the country. From whom, for whom, in what ways, everyone will decide for himself. (You see, no calls, everything is within the law.) Otherwise, the country will disintegrate and no one will sit out (how many empires and just large countries in history, and where are they?), And so there will be a chance.
  27. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 31 October 2018 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: Leshy1975
    Quote: Tank jacket
    But because then Kristin Lagarde will make a report and the next day all agencies will bring down the rating of the Russian Federation to the trash and will require all enterprises to return loans with interest every second. This IMF casino can only be left in case of a fire in the casino

    It's right. Better to throw the population of the Russian Federation, so of course it will be safer for "our" authorities. Well, at least judging by their actions, they are sure of it. But the question is, if in this fun gambling game the population of the Russian Federation is needed only as suckers, then in figs we need it ourselves? Or do you want to continue, hoping to beat the thimblers? For example, the often voiced explanation: the price of gasoline rises because oil has fallen in price, the price of gasoline rises because oil has risen in price. Doesn't sound like a game of thimbles? Whoever wishes, continue.

    You said it right, the population. And the people should appear. Thimbles need us to have no mathematical literacy. Gref informed about this. I’ll inform you about oil that all that over $ 40 per barrel goes to Western partners and does not enter the Russian economy. Learn the materiel.
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 31 October 2018 13: 17
      +7
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Quote: Leshy1975
      Quote: Tank jacket
      But because then Kristin Lagarde will make a report and the next day all agencies will bring down the rating of the Russian Federation to the trash and will require all enterprises to return loans with interest every second. This IMF casino can only be left in case of a fire in the casino

      It's right. Better to throw the population of the Russian Federation, so of course it will be safer for "our" authorities. Well, at least judging by their actions, they are sure of it. But the question is, if in this fun gambling game the population of the Russian Federation is needed only as suckers, then in figs we need it ourselves? Or do you want to continue, hoping to beat the thimblers? For example, the often voiced explanation: the price of gasoline rises because oil has fallen in price, the price of gasoline rises because oil has risen in price. Doesn't sound like a game of thimbles? Whoever wishes, continue.

      You said it right, the population. And the people should appear. Thimbles need us to have no mathematical literacy. Gref informed about this. I’ll inform you about oil that all that over $ 40 per barrel goes to Western partners and does not enter the Russian economy. Learn the materiel.

      You, as a great connoisseur of mat. part, which has a good king against evil boyars (well, or bees against honey). I will quote your defense of VVP: "How does it rule, read the Constitution and remember how the deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation stood to applaud the tumbled US congressmen. The IMF rules the economic bloc. Learn the materiel." Allow me, of course, given your undisputed authority in the field of knowledge of mat. parts, just a little, to supplement your, almost 99,99999999% accurate knowledge, individual insignificant opinions regarding mat. parts, what belongs to what and constitutes a single mechanism, and how President Putin opposes other officials. And fighting them, he does everything in spite of the vile traitors to the Motherland and for its good, which the famous truth-tellers Kiselev and Solovyov never tire of reminding the people of on TV. screens. And what circumstance, you, too, are subtly hinting at with your posts. Therefore, at the same time, to the well-known statement of Gref, to which you are pointing, I will add one more of his statements: Without hiding his irritation, Gref added to the question that haunts him, leaving: "You'd better write something about good, otherwise you will soon have to wipe away tears because of unjustified hopes. Donbass will not be ours, is it really incomprehensible. He (the President of the Russian Federation - approx.) carefully merges the situation! " Well, and a tiny note: “Gref and Putin came to work at the St. Petersburg mayor's office in 1991. Gref, while still a graduate student of the Leningrad State University's law faculty, got a job as a consultant at the administration of the Petrodvorets district of St. Petersburg. Putin then headed the mayor's committee for external relations.
      One of Putin’s prime minister’s first decisions in 1999 was the creation of a center for developing a long-term development strategy for the country - the Center for Strategic Research. Leader Putin appointed Gref. In May 2000, Gref became Minister of Economic Development and Trade, after which he entered the Cabinet of Ministers for seven years.
      Since November 2007 he has been working as president, chairman of the board of Sberbank. "
      And so they go through life, hand in hand, two friends. Sorry, of course NO, two irreconcilable enemies tirelessly fighting each other: the evil radish Gref and the good Jedi Putin. One (Gref radish of course) only thinks how to grab more and take more abroad, and the other (good Jedi Putin) just thinks how to remove the illegally grabbed from the first and return it to the country. Well, yes, the story of the struggle between good and evil is an eternal topic. So Putin and Gref (as well as the rest of the radishes) will always fight, because he is good, and his whole team is evil. Well, you don’t write anything, the law of struggle and the unity of opposites, you understand philosophy. However, just like President Putin’s struggle with his environment, this is also a purely philosophical and exclusively theoretical question.
      PS If my thoughts seemed to you too hypertrophied and not believable, please do not judge strictly, since I am not the greatest connoisseur of the mat. parts, like you, well, or at least a brilliant leader (as you yourself know who) at least something. What to take from me, but mate. part to teach and do not advise, not master. And my eyes become weak and a little mind, I’d better go read a murzilka. hi
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 31 October 2018 21: 05
        -2
        Then the blind man’s movie is new, I'm ready
  28. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 31 October 2018 11: 41
    0
    Quote: Leshy1975
    Quote: Tank jacket
    But because then Kristin Lagarde will make a report and the next day all agencies will bring down the rating of the Russian Federation to the trash and will require all enterprises to return loans with interest every second. This IMF casino can only be left in case of a fire in the casino

    It's right. Better to throw the population of the Russian Federation, so of course it will be safer for "our" authorities. Well, at least judging by their actions, they are sure of it. But the question is, if in this fun gambling game the population of the Russian Federation is needed only as suckers, then in figs we need it ourselves? Or do you want to continue, hoping to beat the thimblers? For example, the often voiced explanation: the price of gasoline rises because oil has fallen in price, the price of gasoline rises because oil has risen in price. Doesn't sound like a game of thimbles? Whoever wishes, continue.

    And here you are about the budget rule and expensive oil: https: //bcs-express.ru/novosti-i-analitika/chto-takoe-biudzhetnoe-pravilo-i-pochemu-dokhody-ot-dorogoi-nefti-ne-idut- v-ekonomiku
  29. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 31 October 2018 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: Silvestr
    And when to live? Communism waited, did not wait. Now waiting for the collapse of capitalism?

    You lived under communism, but in 1991 I was 11 years old. I did not have time to live under communism.
  30. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 31 October 2018 11: 51
    +1
    According to the Central Bank, pension reform will be the only predictable factor in accelerating economic growth, which will begin to work soon enough with some estimated efficiency. True, this efficiency is low: only 0,1 in the next year and about 0,2-0,3 percentage points in 2020 and 2021.

    All their "forecasts" and "lawmaking" are reminiscent of prolongation on a deferral basis for inevitable payments for "effective decisions" of the country's political and economic course chosen in the 90s.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 31 October 2018 12: 06
      +2
      I agree, they have gotten into so much that we still cannot get out.
  31. Park
    Park 31 October 2018 13: 17
    +4
    What is one tenth of a percent? Two tenths of a percent? I myself worked in accounting. 30% in white salary, 70% in black. Three orders came, one - held. And all the acquaintances in private firms are set up and work like that. What is the accuracy of measuring these salaries, this so-called growth? 50-100-150%? What can be 0,1% with such accuracy? This is how to measure the length of the collective farm field in steps, and give the result accurate to the millimeter.
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus 31 October 2018 15: 29
    +2
    “Vladimir Vladimirovich thinks that national projects will be mostly effective, otherwise he would hardly have started such global programs like the“ May decree. ”But Maxim Oreshkin thinks a little differently: he believes in advance that only individual instruments of national projects will be effective, and generously agrees These tools are to support and strengthen. Well, commendable impudence. Only it is not yet clear whether the Kremlin managed to appreciate it - the quote is quite fresh ... "It seems that the government itself or some of them consider themselves untouchable, well, examples Serdyukov and Vasilyeva before their eyes.
  33. Doliva63
    Doliva63 31 October 2018 19: 59
    +1
    Quote: 3vs
    I'm wondering if any other country has its own "May decrees"?
    Or is it intentionally done, send more people to the next world, so that
    Young people began to live better?

    Who are the young people here - Sechin, Chubais, Putin? laughing
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 31 October 2018 21: 12
      -5
      Exactly, even the old things passed the USSR, and they rumble for a while, they say we are not pyromanic, we didn’t agree, you agreed in 68 with Lena Goldfields, so now .. woe to the vanquished
  34. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 31 October 2018 21: 23
    +2
    I look here it is necessary to raise the question: the state security committee where is the state of the USSR, where is my homeland, where is my childhood
  35. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 31 October 2018 22: 14
    +2
    But something seems to have gone wrong. Once again

    And who would doubt it!
    Py.Sy. Here is our smallest pair of mandulas, which will be mandulit, and a complete mandul will come to the people!
    And don't be slow.
  36. Brigadier
    Brigadier 1 November 2018 04: 53
    +8
    And what's the point of discussing all these butts of public services for taking money from the population, when everything is already clear?
    What difference does it make: an owl on a stump or a kick on an owl, people ALREADY understood - PUTIN BURNED US and he stands only for interests Of their oligarchs AND AGAINST THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLEwho chose him by naive credulity, hoping for a better life ...
    This is it - BASIC! And that’s exactly how people perceive Putin today.
    And today, both at my work and at the place of residence, almost everyone perceives the surname "Putin" negatively, and often also with the addition of his surname in front of words for which in ordinary life they immediately hit in the face, but not in this case, because with these words ALL here agree ...
    This is how things are ... Putin deserved to be like this "folk love"... Deserved ... request

    1. Consultant
      Consultant 1 November 2018 07: 14
      -6


      Communist Party, campaign, shoulder from work tore wassat

      How much did you pay, I wonder? wink
  37. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 1 November 2018 04: 56
    0
    Quote: Semen1972
    Quote: Tank jacket
    The liberoids only dream about it - the war of grace is a way for them to enrich themselves, and they don’t give a damn about the country. They raise us to the Maidan by reforms.

    Trololo-trawl))) Green Trollo greetings from liberoids !!!! ))) Burn, comrade ... by the way, do you know Trump is preparing a plan of attack on Russia .. for the summer appointed, you urgently need to prepare everything for the front !!!!!

    Jump, who doesn’t jump, that Muscovite can pass or put a saucepan on your head and get ready for the ground
    1. victor50
      victor50 1 November 2018 12: 42
      +3
      Quote: Tank jacket
      put on your head and get ready for the ground

      Hey, a connoisseur of economics, as well as everything. Would you go somewhere .... basic literacy to learn something! Such a dope, even in modern conditions on the site, in my opinion, was not there. Although, if it is really 80 years old, then it is already useless! But judging by the fact that you draw, no older than 2000 and completely struck by the exam! laughing
  38. Forest
    Forest 1 November 2018 13: 18
    -1
    He spoiled the entire article with liberal whining: "But there could be a few more luxurious offices for the Pension Fund otrokat" - the buildings belong to the state, which does not suit only the liveries.
  39. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 4 November 2018 01: 24
    0
    Retirement age and raised, so that the oligarchs continued to grow rich.
    Now we have the most monstrous gap between the rich and the poor.

  40. Alexander X
    Alexander X 5 November 2018 16: 26
    +1
    And I am the first year of retirement. Revised year. In spring it will be 62. All my life, since I retired from the SA, I have been working as an engineer. The last year of work, I had to go to work with difficulty: pressure jumps, legs swell at the end of the working day, noise in my head, memory weakened. For many years he worked at a state-owned enterprise in engineering positions. Products, in which there are units, the thermal regimes of which I counted on, are still heard ... The state did not need it for perestroika. Relearned. Another honors degree. I finished work in the economic direction of activity .... I did not drink. All his life he was engaged in amateur sports. So I won't go to work anymore, because I don't have the strength to do it. To serve at work because of boredom, I have never worked, and there is no need for "thieves" who do not produce anything ... stents in vessels, barely walks ... And he worked in a bank early. department (sysadmin). I didn't ferment. Former weightlifter. Those. led a healthy lifestyle. So it's not just steelworkers who have a hard time in production. Well, you can live on an allowance after reaching retirement age, but it will be a miserable existence, survival and nothing more ...
  41. Allexxx
    Allexxx 6 November 2018 10: 34
    0
    OU! I thought that only the Russian Ministry of Defense can draw cartoons! It turns out that the Central Bank can do the same!