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Siluanov: The rich are smart, they still go away from high tax

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The Minister of Finance of Russia was invited to air the program “Pozner” First Channel. The presenter asked Anton Siluanov about the plans of the state in the field of tax legislation and asked a classic question “Who should live well in Russia?”


The head of the Russian Ministry of Finance said that those in Russia live well, who honestly works. His further words were somewhat incoherent with this statement.

Anton Siluanov answered the question about the discussion of the possibilities of raising the luxury tax. It is worth noting that a luxury tax is to some extent an indispensable component of economic policy in most countries of the world with a developed economy. So, in France, at one time, a tax in 75% was approved for overly wealthy citizens of the Fifth Republic. However, the authorities of the country as a result had to revise the tax legislation towards easing it. The reason for the abolition of the so-called "Robin Hood tax" was a massive departure from the country of people with substantial wealth. For Russia, in this case, the case of Gerard Depardieu, who, in order to avoid taxes in his homeland, decided to become a citizen of Russia, is best known.



According to Siluanov, he understands that a big difference in income creates social tension, but added that a new tax policy review in terms of introducing a luxury tax is not provided, since "taxes on luxury objects have already been raised."

Minister of Finance of Russia:
We are often told, let's raise taxes on the rich. In fact, we did it: we increased taxes on luxury property complexes, cars, yachts, apartments, and so on.


And after that, Siluanov actually signed that the government has no plans to introduce new taxes on wealth, since the rich will not pay them anyway.

Anton Siluanov:
We know that the rich are not stupid people and they will find ways how to get around this solution; people can even withdraw money from our country.

According to the Minister of Finance, a flat 13% scale was established, and it would be wrong to change it.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 30 October 2018 06: 21
    +40
    Siluanov: "The rich are smart, they will still get away from the high tax." - and added to himself - "and I will help them with this ..." laughing
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 30 October 2018 06: 31
      +48
      Quote: Finches
      Siluanov: "The rich are smart, they will still get away from the high tax" - and added to himself - "and I will help them with this ..."


      In fact, it’s not funny enough - it became very bad for a simple person to live.

      But the most important thing - you can say a little too much - either an extremist or a terrorist!

      It remains only to put the language in the Fifth Republic ...

      So be careful with your statements - you will not be able to get out with one banning!
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 06: 35
        -27
        Yes, do not escalate))) who's stopping you from saying something that does not contradict the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ?!
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 30 October 2018 07: 46
          +51
          The government of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of Russia are "PROFSOYUZ" for Russian oligarchs and the lower financial link of the IMF as part of the so-called. "market" system of external government of the country by the US FRS globalists.
          1. Claymore
            Claymore 30 October 2018 15: 26
            -4
            Quote: Tatiana
            The government of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of Russia are "PROFSOYUZ" for Russian oligarchs and the lower financial link of the IMF as part of the so-called. "market" system of external government of the country by the US FRS globalists.
            4 conspiratorial nonsense in the 1 short comment is strong.

            Oligarchy (Greek oligarsia - from oligos - not numerous and arche - power) - a regime in which political power belongs to a narrow group of people.
            Accordingly, the government and the Central Bank are not a "trade union" for Russian oligarchs, but state institutions in which members of the oligarchic group hold key positions.

            The IMF is a UN unit, as a result of which it is itself a link in the global financial system and does not occupy a dominant position in relation to other links.

            One can only guess about what "external control" is and how it is carried out. it is not known even to the conspirators who speak of him.

            And the US Federal Reserve is an abbreviation for the federal (it is also state, it is national) banking system of the United States (i.e., a system of monetary relations within a particular state).
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 30 October 2018 21: 57
              +7
              Quote: Claymore
              4 conspiratorial nonsense in the 1 short comment is strong.
              Alas, Claymore, you yourself do not understand what you criticize me! Namely.
              For example, you confidently write the following nonsense.
              Quote: Claymore
              And the US Federal Reserve is an abbreviation for federal (it’s also state, it’s national) the banking system of the United States (i.e., a system of monetary relations within a particular state).

              In fact, the Federal Reserve (US Federal Reserve) is not a state institution, but belongs to private owners - a group of mainly foreign bankers. In 1913, Congress put America into eternal debt slavery to the private Federal Reserve, giving it the right to print money and control the American economic system.
              Although under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 names of bank owners are kept secret, R.E. McMaster, publisher of The Reaper, through confidential relations with Swiss banks, found out that the following banks own the controlling interest in the Federal Reserve:
              1. London and Berlin Rothschild Banks
              2. Paris Bank Lazard Brothers
              3. Italian banks Israel Moses Sieff
              4. Hamburg Bank Warburg, Germany and Amsterdam
              5. New York Bank Kuhn Loeb
              6. New York Bank Lehman Brothers
              7. New York Bank Goldman Sachs
              8. New York Bank Chase Manhattan (Rockefeller-controlled)

              And the list of shareholders of the US Federal Reserve, compiled according to Swiss banking sources, looks as follows:
              1. Rothschilds
              2. Lazard Frerez (Eugene Mayer)
              3. Israel siff
              4. Kun Loeb Company
              5. Warburg Company
              6. Lehman Brothers
              7. Goldman Sachs
              8. Rockefeller and Morgan Families
              1. Claymore
                Claymore 31 October 2018 00: 57
                -1
                Quote: Tatiana
                Alas, Claymore, you yourself do not understand what you criticize me!
                You have once again demonstrated that the level of your knowledge in this area is equal to the level of your knowledge of Marxism and diamat - i.e. equals zero.

                In fact, the Federal Reserve (US Federal Reserve) is not a government agency
                That's right! laughing

                More than that.

                As I indicated above, the federal (aka nationwide) reserve (aka banking) system is not only a state institution, but also any institution in general - it is a system similar to healthcare and education systems, which are also not state institutions.

                But the Board of Governors, which manages the Fed and the federal reserve (12 federal banks) is a purely state body.

                Owned by private owners - a group of mainly foreign bankers
                Social systems cannot belong to anyone, because are not objects of ownership, but a form of social relations.

                Although under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, the names of bank owners are kept secret
                Please, name the article of the law that spells such nonsense.

                The following banks own a controlling stake in the Federal Reserve:
                1. London and Berlin Rothschild Banks
                1st. What conspirators call Fed stocks is in fact not stocks, but a license.

                2 12 federal banks, which are the backbone of the US banking system, have shareholders, among which there are only 1 foreigners - Saud.


                And you should not read the ravings of the Macmasters, but this -
                https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm

                And this -
                https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_12799.htm
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 31 October 2018 04: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Claymore
                  2 12 federal banks, which are the backbone of the US banking system, have shareholders, among which there are only 1 foreigners - Saud.

                  And I advise you to read:
                  Simon Johnson and James Kwak. 13 banks that rule the world. Captivated by Wall Street and awaiting the next financial collapse./ Preface by Viktor Vladimirovich Gerashchenko. / Per. in eng. V. Egorova. - M .: Publishing house "Career Press", 2014. - 368 p.

                  REALLY - not 6 (according to Swiss researchers) and not 12 (in your opinion banks), but 13 banks "rule the world."

                  And the level of your knowledge of Marxism-Leninism, from my point of view, is equal to the diligent cramming of Marxist-Leninist dogmas, and Possession of the dialectical-materialistic method in your practice is absolutely exactly zero! As they say, they heard a ringing, but don’t know where it is!

                  I’ll look at your links. hi
                  1. Claymore
                    Claymore 31 October 2018 04: 20
                    -2
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    And I advise you to read:
                    Simon Johnson and James Kwak.
                    Please refer not to the inventors of the Quaks, but to documents and official sources.

                    Actually - not 6 (according to Swiss researchers) and not 12 (in your opinion banks), but 13 banks
                    You can declare 25 and 125 - the fact that the Fed consists of 12 banks, the Board of Governors and the Securities Committee will not change this.

                    And the level of your knowledge of Marxism-Leninism, from my point of view, is equal to the diligent cramming of Marxist-Leninist dogmas
                    From your point of view, "dogma" is anything that runs counter to your idealism - while you are not able to formulate a single Marxist dogma.

                    and OWNERSHIP in practice, the dialectical-materialistic method, you absolutely exactly equal to zero! As they say, they heard a ringing, but don’t know where it is!
                    From only declares it is one who could not answer the question of what dialectics is. laughing
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 31 October 2018 05: 09
                      +2
                      Quote: Claymore
                      Tatyana.
                      and OWNERSHIP in practice, the dialectical-materialistic method, you absolutely exactly equal to zero! As they say, they heard a ringing, but don’t know where it is!
                      From only declares it is one who could not answer the question of what dialectics is.

                      I don’t answer such questions to trolls. Moreover, those who themselves do not distinguish materialist dialectics from Hegel's dialectics, from theistic dialectics, and even more so from the dialectical "nonsense" of the KOB.
                      But the banal definition of dialectics is even on the Internet - one could write it off.
                      However, DIALECTICS, in my understanding, is a system of logical rules (like rules in mathematics) for searching for truth when constructing theoretical hypotheses at the exit when solving any problems in nature and society or simply when designing historical problems (the so-called social design ) It works in a binary logical system. It is easy — as in mathematics — to be checked for possible errors in constructing input theoretical hypotheses. Start testing the hypothesis for internal logical consistency and for compliance with logical rules - and you will immediately determine where the wind is blowing from and who are the beneficiaries.
                      In your reasoning, I do not see this application.
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 31 October 2018 05: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        However, DIALECTICS, in my understanding, is a system of logical rules
                        I will specify:
                        DIALECTICS as a method.
                      2. Claymore
                        Claymore 31 October 2018 14: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        I generally do not answer such questions to trolls
                        The announcement of an opponent by a troll is a sure sign of an amateur who has nothing to say.

                        in constructing theoretical hypotheses
                        And whipping butter lol

                        In your reasoning, I do not see this application.
                        This is because my reasoning is based on a materialistic approach, and yours is based on metaphysics.
                        From the fact that for me consciousness is a derivative of matter, and for you, matter is a derivative of consciousness.


                        ZY
                        Will you name the article of the law, which allegedly indicates that the Fed has owners whose names are kept secret, or continue to pretend that you did not write such nonsense?
              2. Machito
                Machito 31 October 2018 16: 39
                +2
                The rich are smart, tax evasion. Taxed the poor. Siluanov is not shy, he talks about macaroshki in plain text. In 1917, people like him ruled the country. And when they wound their guts in 1918, they shouted: "And what about us?"
        2. Vladimir K.
          Vladimir K. 30 October 2018 09: 10
          +20
          What contradicts the Criminal Code or does not contradict is decided by the court and the current government, and these are always people with some kind of worldview and, if something in their opinion (and they are always either bourgeois or circles connected with the bourgeois), threatens the established order and their authorities, they will pursue it. Look at the extreme celebration on May 9, in my opinion in Yekaterinburg (I can be wrong - I watched the video on YouTube for a long time), someone from the local authorities decided that it’s impossible to go with the Red flag (in fact with the Victory flag !!!) and the cops of people with the attributes of the USSR were not very politely exposed outside the celebrants. And what did they violate under the Criminal Code or the Civil Code? Nothing bye! In our country, the highest power is being built by Orthodox fascism (before hysteria, read the definition of fascism) and gradually all those who are dissatisfied and dissent will be squeezed out of the public space one way or another and much more from where.
          1. Tarhan
            Tarhan 30 October 2018 11: 53
            +2
            Fascism (Italian: fascismo, from fascio “union, bundle, bundle, association”) is a generalized name for extreme right-wing political movements, ideologies and the corresponding form of government of a dictatorial type, the characteristic features of which are called -
            militaristic nationalism (in the broadest sense),
            anti-liberalism
            xenophobia - fear or hatred of someone or someone else's; the perception of someone else as dangerous and hostile. Raised to the rank of worldview, it can cause hostility on the principle of national, religious or social division of people,
            revenge and chauvinism
            leaderism
            contempt for elective democracy and liberalism,
            faith in the rule of the elites and the natural social hierarchy,
            statism - statism - an ideology that affirms the leading role of the state in political life, including the subordination of the interests of both individuals and groups to the interests of the state; a policy of active state intervention in all spheres of public and private life,
            and in some cases
            syndicalism - according to this concept, workers, industrial sectors and organizations should be systematized in a confederation or syndicates,
            racism,
            and the politics of genocide.
            1. Ivan Ivanov
              Ivan Ivanov 30 October 2018 14: 31
              0
              Quote: Vladimir K.
              In our country, the highest power is building Orthodox fascism

              The logical continuation and addition of oligarchic capital, what can I say, even in Brazil, a dude came to power under the slogan of Brazil ponadus, promised to cut the social network, privatize petrobras, everything is like people have.
        3. ALARI
          ALARI 30 October 2018 12: 17
          +2
          Who are the judges?
        4. Victor N
          Victor N 30 October 2018 15: 20
          +1
          Moderator interferes with the talk.
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 30 October 2018 06: 45
        +27
        So be careful with your statements - you will not be able to get out with one banning!

        I confirm ... people are planted for reposts, photos, and scenes from the film Seventeen Moments of Spring ... etc.
        It all depends as a judge, prosecutor and investigator considers the suspect ... as a checkmark for the report or as a lost sinner ... in Russia about 500 people sat down for too violent activities in social networks.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 30 October 2018 07: 23
          +14
          "The tax on luxury has already been increased" and "a flat 13% scale has been established" somehow also contradict each other.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 30 October 2018 08: 11
        +42
        Here you are, a bright representative ... He can evade taxes .. since he considers himself and his associates smart, but he cannot create a mechanism under which it will be impossible to evade taxes. For some reason, in America, this is considered a particularly serious crime, with the possibility of honor for life, and in China - execution. And in our country, in fact, power is recognized in its powerlessness. In this case, everything is in place. You can’t leave, but no, feeding trough ..
        1. Nick_R
          Nick_R 30 October 2018 08: 30
          +3
          I read reviews and once again make sure that in our country there is a low tax culture, well, our citizens did not teach this at school, but they do not have enough time to educate themselves.
          Many taxes can be optimized in a completely legal way. For example, to register as an individual entrepreneur and receive not a salary with which to pay 13%, but an entrepreneurial income of 6%. And it’s practically impossible to block it, as a tax increase for simplified workers will hit small businesses.
          Moreover, I will disappoint many comrades, but the personal income tax is paid mainly not by rich people, but by the middle class: HIRED HIGHLY QUALIFIED specialists.
          1. Nick_R
            Nick_R 30 October 2018 08: 37
            -4
            Therefore, a flat income tax system is the only smart solution to our tax system. It can be slightly modernized by setting incentives for those who receive small incomes, for example, deducting the cost of living from tax. And in the framework of supporting fertility, I would have increased the tax deduction for children many times over. For example, you have a salary of 10 thousand, you pay nothing, 25 thousand and the children also nothing. 40 thousand and two children are also zero, etc. In this case, the rate can be raised to 15% and increased by another percentage every 5 years.
            1. Xscorpion
              Xscorpion 30 October 2018 09: 40
              -2
              Quote: Nick_R
              Therefore, a flat income tax system is the only smart solution to our tax system. It can be slightly modernized by setting incentives for those who receive small incomes, for example, deducting the cost of living from tax. And in the framework of supporting fertility, I would have increased the tax deduction for children many times over. For example, you have a salary of 10 thousand, you pay nothing, 25 thousand and the children also nothing. 40 thousand and two children are also zero, etc. In this case, the rate can be raised to 15% and increased by another percentage every 5 years.

              And what will prevent the rich from adopting at least two dozen children in order to get away from your proposed tax?))
              1. Nick_R
                Nick_R 30 October 2018 09: 45
                +8
                Nothing prevents, let him adopt and bring up and thank God and the tax system
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 30 October 2018 08: 42
            +9
            Quote: Nick_R
            Moreover, I will disappoint many comrades, but the personal income tax is paid mainly not by rich people, but by the middle class: HIRED HIGHLY QUALIFIED specialists.

            Speak correctly, we are paid taxes, mainly by the poor and middle class, whose representatives are dying out like mammoths .. And the rich, they are smart .. Siluanov. They will find how to avoid taxes.
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 09: 24
              -10
              You mix all taxes at once. People who receive the official salary pay one tax, the business pays completely different and not very small taxes. No need to mix in a bunch. Personal income tax is paid, as hired experts correctly said above, of which the vast majority. Just the salary level is different, but in fact we all pay the same. Perhaps it’s a shame for someone that for example someone gets 200 thousand and pays 13, and someone gets 20 and also pays 13. But excuse me, the tax of the first is higher than the salary of the second, and why should I pay more than that?
              1. ghby
                ghby 30 October 2018 10: 30
                +4
                Quote: Bull Terrier
                Perhaps it’s a shame for someone that for example someone gets 200 thousand and pays 13, and someone gets 20 and also pays 13. But excuse me, the tax of the first is higher than the salary of the second, and why should I pay more than that?

                There is another difference, for the one who receives 20 his tax is more substantial than for the one who receives 200 that's all the math. Who receives 200 and does not notice this tax, and who receives 20 will feel it every trip to the store. This is the essence of the progressive scale, so that everyone feels the same way.
                1. Bull Terrier
                  Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 10: 31
                  -2
                  Yeah. Do not notice 30 pieces) yet how noticeable)
                  1. ghby
                    ghby 30 October 2018 10: 33
                    +4
                    Quote: Bull Terrier
                    Yeah. Do not notice 30 pieces) yet how noticeable)

                    with 200 - imperceptibly.
                    1. Bull Terrier
                      Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 10: 37
                      -3
                      Noticeable) 25 percent of alimony, 13 income, mortgage and you are essentially without money, but with a big salary))). The expenses are different, and the higher the standard of living, the more they are. What you don’t need for nothing becomes a necessity.
                      1. ghby
                        ghby 30 October 2018 10: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        25 percent alimony

                        it happens)))
                      2. goose
                        goose 30 October 2018 13: 27
                        +7
                        Quote: ghby
                        it happens)))

                        This is the repressive legislation against men, almost all over Europe. I personally am not a feminist, and I consider it negative. If my silver-free girlfriend cheated on her husband, then divorced, sawed off half of the property, married another, then she actually got a family, with initial capital, + alimony, + another husband who supports her. It does not smell of justice here, but there is a temptation to do so, because some pluses. And all the disadvantages are for the first husband. That is why you, men, "run away" from us, cannot be dragged down the aisle for a legal reason.
                      3. Vanek
                        Vanek 31 October 2018 03: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: goose
                        actually received a family, with initial capital, + alimony, + another husband who supports her.


                        It is a masterpiece! yes

                        Learn men! smile

                        Madame hi
                      4. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 30 October 2018 10: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        The expenses are different, and the higher the standard of living, the more they are. That which was not necessary to you for nothing becomes a necessity.

                        Well, moderate your ardor. What is in the way? Habits But this is not a problem!
                      5. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 10: 52
                        -2
                        This is not always possible) purely physically)
                      6. Nick_R
                        Nick_R 30 October 2018 13: 02
                        +1
                        You can say with the same success learn to earn more, what is the problem! This is much more productive than trying to save.
                        By the way, from my own experience, there was a period in my life when I tried to save it. As a result, permanent depresnyak and the situation when loan payments exceed salaries. And I’m very glad that at some point I took a chance and decided to make more money. Believe me, this is much nicer and more interesting.
                      7. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 30 October 2018 11: 00
                        +2
                        Mortgage for which apartment ??
                        Get 200 hundreds and complain about a mortgage ?? Well, pay like everyone else - 12 thousand for 25 years .. And it will not be noticeable with such an RFP ..
                      8. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 08
                        -1
                        I want to be in time while there are forces, to manage to pay out one more. Two children and both girls))) and they need to be put off gradually. I say it’s not so simple. It’s good that the programs are corporate and without interest.
                      9. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 30 October 2018 11: 11
                        +3
                        "I want to"..
                        So Siluanov wants .. an island, a football club .. and two more times for children the same thing ..
                        It's not about Wishlist .. they all have ..
                      10. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 49
                        0
                        Everything depends only on me) there is a desire, strength too. Brains are still working. So I’ll turn Wishlist into reality) and what Siluanov wants for me personally do not care) at least Mars entirely)
                      11. Nick_R
                        Nick_R 30 October 2018 13: 06
                        +3
                        You see Roman, high salaries are often paid in the capital, and housing is expensive there. Therefore, you can get 50 thousand in the province, and you can get 200 in Moscow. The standard of living will not differ much
                      12. Alf
                        Alf 30 October 2018 22: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        The expenses are different, and the higher the standard of living, the more they are.

                        And can moderate the costs?
                  2. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 30 October 2018 11: 07
                    +5
                    Quote: Bull Terrier
                    Yeah. Do not notice 30 pieces) yet how noticeable)

                    So what's the problem?
                    Try to live on 20 thousand with income 13%, pay only 2600 re, the rest are all yours for a whole month and then as they say: feel the difference. lol
                    1. Bull Terrier
                      Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 17
                      0
                      And it was even worse)
                      1. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 30 October 2018 11: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        And it was even worse)

                        And how, enough for "life" minus deductions? lol
                      2. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 13: 25
                        0
                        when you’re not married yet everything is easily experienced)))
                    2. reservist
                      reservist 30 October 2018 12: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      Try to live on 20 thousand ...

                      everything happened ...
                      imho, for such salaries it is necessary to provide tax deductions
                      with the poor and taxes are not humane to take ...
                  3. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 30 October 2018 11: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: Bull Terrier
                    Yeah. Do not notice 30 pieces) yet how noticeable)

                    26 pieces.
                    1. Bull Terrier
                      Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 50
                      +1
                      The habit of rounding up is so contagious)))
                2. reservist
                  reservist 30 October 2018 11: 47
                  +2
                  if the scale is "strongly progressive", then what is the point of straining so that, for example, not 100, but 200 thousand to earn (to earn, not to snatch), if the tax will take most of the increase?
                  imho, in our conditions we need a flat taxation scale, including for social taxes ...
                  1. Bull Terrier
                    Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 59
                    0
                    Exactly. What is the point of spending and investing in yourself so that you would be raised a salary and then taken away.
                    1. freddyk
                      freddyk 30 October 2018 14: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Bull Terrier
                      Exactly. What is the point of spending and investing in yourself so that you would be raised a salary and then taken away.

                      The whole point is that the mentality of the people has changed, like the system in the country. Everyone thinks only about themselves and not at all about the country. This tax is needed so that the state would be richer and reduce the social gap. There was an article here about oligarch yachts more expensive than the fleet of Russia (not the USSR) Here is the answer to you. A 200 thousand wooden is not a luxury)
                      1. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 14: 36
                        -1
                        This is not the case. What will motivate a person to get more? What will he help the country? So-so motivation frankly.
                      2. reservist
                        reservist 30 October 2018 14: 58
                        0
                        Quote: freddyk
                        This tax is needed to make the state richer,
                        the state will become richer if it collects more taxes, right? but in reality, raising taxes does not always lead to an increase in their collection ...
                        in the last century there was such a saying - "if you want to live, but if you want to strike, you will still get ... money ..."
                        and narrow the social divide.
                        I completely agree about the reduction of the social gap, only it can be reduced in different ways ... you need to return taxes to those at the bottom of the social pyramid, and take additional taxes from those at the top, but not from those who earn money with their labor .. .
                        A 200 thousand wooden is not a luxury
                        so probably it is worth first clarifying who we consider to be rich, so as not to break the spears in vain ...
                  2. Claymore
                    Claymore 30 October 2018 16: 08
                    0
                    Quote: reservist
                    if the scale is "strongly progressive", then what is the point of straining so that, for example, not 100, but 200 thousand to earn (to earn, not to snatch), if the tax will take most of the increase?
                    What does “highly progressive” mean?
                    1. reservist
                      reservist 30 October 2018 16: 52
                      0
                      for example, as in France, where income is from 0% to 75%
                      1. Claymore
                        Claymore 30 October 2018 17: 28
                        0
                        A tax of 75% in France is levied on revenues of more than 1 million euros per year - the essence of unearned income resulting from successful market conditions (as if a person was walking along the street and found a suitcase with money).

                        Is this "very progressive"?
                      2. reservist
                        reservist 30 October 2018 18: 03
                        0
                        about "unearned income due to market conditions" I agree, but you can also look from the other side ... that would be the upper limit of the income of the French lower, the same "miser" Depardieu would stay in place and pay taxes, and so faded away and as a result of the fled Depardieu, the French state received?
                        and upon closer examination, the French are not so scary and it turns out that they consider the income as a family member, and as I understand it, it is unrealistic for an ordinary Frenchman to get a tax of 30-45 %% ...
                      3. Claymore
                        Claymore 30 October 2018 20: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: reservist
                        and what did the French state get from the fled Depardieu?
                        Received the part of taxes that does not fall under the Russian-French convention "On the avoidance of double taxation" (if France had not signed this convention, then Depardieu would not have gone anywhere - except that he would have refused citizenship and the opportunity to work in France)

                        the lighter consideration of the French is not so scary and it turns out
                        About that and speech.

                        their income is considered to be a family member, and as I understand it, it is unrealistic for an ordinary Frenchman to get a tax of 30-45 %% ...
                        And there is.
                        But even if the resident does not have a family, then with an income of, say, 2 million, the tax will be only 1 million 180 thousand.
                      4. reservist
                        reservist 31 October 2018 11: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Claymore
                        Got that part of the taxes that does not fall under ...
                        and how much? and who eventually won - Depardieu or the French tax?
                        ... with an income of, say, 2 million, the tax will be only 1 million 180 thousand.

                        those. more than a half ...
                      5. Claymore
                        Claymore 31 October 2018 15: 29
                        0
                        Quote: reservist
                        and how much?
                        No idea.

                        To find out, you need to delve into the provisions of the convention and get somewhere Depardieu's tax return.

                        and who eventually won - Depardieu or the French tax?
                        Obviously, Depardieu, who took advantage of the loophole provided by the French state.

                        those. more than a half ...
                        Yes - the income is unearned, opportunistic, comparable to the random finding of a large amount.


                        By the way.

                        In accordance with 233 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, when a treasure is found (even if the find was not accidental, and the finder previously spent a lot of time and money on archival research, the purchase of metal detectors, etc.), the finder is entitled to only 50% of the value of the found.
                        If you find a wallet with a large sum, or some valuable thing, then, in accordance with 229 Civil Code, the finder can even claim only a maximum of 20% of the amount / value of the found.

                        And nothing, no one complains.
                      6. reservist
                        reservist 31 October 2018 16: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Claymore
                        and who eventually won - Depardieu or the French tax?

                        Obviously Depardieu ...

                        those. we finally "found a consensus" - if Depardieu hadn't run away from high taxes, the French state would have received more money ...
                        I don’t have anything against social justice, but we live in the real world ...
                      7. Claymore
                        Claymore 31 October 2018 16: 33
                        0
                        No. )))

                        The French state would receive more money only if it did not sign the conventions and thereby create loopholes for Depardieu.

                        If, after signing the convention, the state simply reduced the rate, then this would not have prevented Depardieu from obtaining 2nd citizenship and thereby further reducing the tax burden on his beloved.
                      8. reservist
                        reservist 1 November 2018 11: 35
                        0
                        if the French didn’t sign a convention with us, Depardieu would have escaped to where taxes are lower ...
                      9. Claymore
                        Claymore 1 November 2018 13: 14
                        0
                        He can only escape to the state with which France has signed a double tax treaty.
                      10. reservist
                        reservist 1 November 2018 16: 03
                        0
                        since the French have such an agreement with us, then surely such agreements are signed at least with the whole of Europe ...
                      11. Claymore
                        Claymore 1 November 2018 23: 13
                        0
                        So who is to blame? laughing

                        There would be no such agreements with states that have tax systems that are more preferable for the rich - he would not go anywhere.
                  3. kitt409
                    kitt409 31 October 2018 22: 11
                    0
                    Earning 200k, it’s roughly 2 500 000 a year, you can always adjust the scale, for example, not 2 500, but 2 700, and the main thing is that you don’t take taxes at all below a certain figure - that’s what we are talking about first of all - to my mind...
                    1. reservist
                      reservist 1 November 2018 10: 57
                      0
                      under Soviet rule there was no income up to 70 rubles, or it was a penny, above 120 rubles a month the tax was 13%, between 70 and 120 in my opinion there were some "misunderstandings" with taxation, when 80 rubles were "dirty" after paying the income, they became similar to the same 70 ...
                      under current conditions, there should be tax deductions for earnings up to 300 thousand per year ...
                      and before talking about progressive tax (imho, now this is unrealistic) you need to cancel the regressive taxation for social taxes
                3. Victor N
                  Victor N 30 October 2018 15: 27
                  0
                  Try to earn more - and the whole hassle.
            2. Nick_R
              Nick_R 30 October 2018 09: 29
              -7
              we are paid taxes, mainly the poor and the middle class

              You are wrong. Poor taxes pay little, they simply have nothing to do with them, often they are not even formalized. And the lion's share of taxes is paid not by individuals, but by enterprises, the owners of which are most often rich (I will not say anything about "people's" Gazprom).
              In addition, poor people receive much more social assistance from the state than others. Let's say there are three people, one gets 15 thousand a month, another 50 thousand, the third 500. They all seem to pay the same personal income tax. Only for one it will be 1950 rubles, for the second 6500 rubles, for the third 65000 rubles. At the same time, they all receive social benefits from the state the same in the form of medicine, education, etc. The poor are also paid extra for the communal apartment, while the rich, on the contrary, are treated at their own expense. And nevertheless, someone considers it unfair. Let's pay the poor man even more, and we'll take something else from the rich man. And where will all this lead? The incentive to work as a "poor" bummer will be lost. Look at the vaunted Europe with its egalitarianism, there is already a second generation of loafers growing up who live on social benefits and don’t blow up.
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 30 October 2018 10: 52
                +6
                Quote: Nick_R
                Let's say there are three people, one gets 15 thousand a month, another 50 thousand, the third 500. They all seem to pay the same personal income tax. Only for one it will be 1950 rubles, for the second 6500 rubles, for the third 65000 rubles.

                Beautiful math. Only the first has 13500 left for life, the second 43500, and the third 435000. You will say that nothing prevents the poor from earning 500000 each. That's right, only people have different abilities and different opportunities. These are social, geographical and personal, in the end.
                and the rich, on the contrary, is treated at his own expense.
                This amused me)) And what prevents this rich man from sitting in the same line with the poor as a doctor?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 30 October 2018 12: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: BecmepH

                  Beautiful math. Only the first has 13500 left for life, the second 43500, and the third 435000. You will say that nothing prevents the poor from earning 500000 each. That's right, only people have different abilities and different opportunities. These are social, geographical and personal, in the end.
                  and the rich, on the contrary, is treated at his own expense.
                  This amused me)) And what prevents this rich man from sitting in the same line with the poor as a doctor?

                  1) Social and geographical opportunities - an excuse. My very rich acquaintance my mother was a guide on the train, lived in Chita. Dad drew after his son became a dollar multimillionaire.
                  2) Several factors prevent the rich from standing in line with the poor doctor:
                  A) Time
                  B) attitude
                  B) Estimated treatment effectiveness
                  D) The same doctor can be called to his home for extra. fee
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 2 November 2018 14: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    ) The rich are prevented from standing in line with the poor doctor by several factors:
                    A) Time
                    B) attitude
                    B) Estimated treatment effectiveness
                    D) The same doctor can be called to his home for extra. fee

                    Totally agree with you. Only then it is not necessary to speculate treatment with a paid doctor. This is a free choice.
                2. reservist
                  reservist 30 October 2018 15: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  This amused me)) And what prevents this rich man from sitting in the same line with the poor as a doctor?

                  probably "the toad crushes", because
              2. Roman070280
                Roman070280 30 October 2018 11: 04
                +6
                "At the same time, social benefits from the state, they all receive the same in the form of medication," While going to the dentist, I pay 8 thousand for one tooth .. Like half of the salary of the first .. and the third can even cure the whole mouth with one salary .. Here and all medicine ..

                "The poor are also paid extra for the communal apartment, while the rich, on the contrary, are treated at their own expense."
                The poor, in order to survive, are forced to ask for help in a surcharge for a communal apartment .. And the rich are treated at their own expense somewhere in Israel ..
                But in this situation we sympathize with the rich ..)) The world is definitely going crazy ..
                1. Nick_R
                  Nick_R 30 October 2018 13: 22
                  -5
                  Have you ever thought that all hospitals, schools, roads, etc. the state builds at the expense of the RICH. There is nothing to take from the poor, but the middle class is good if it can support itself. It is the rich who finance the state, including expenses for the ARMY and security. For one simple reason, they are interested in maintaining the status quo, so that their community is not taken away, their children are not killed by thugs, they could drive along roads, etc. And you suggest slaughtering a chicken that lays golden eggs. And what's next, chaos, civil war, and the cook who controls the state? We have already gone through this, but someone can see the memory is short.
                  1. reservist
                    reservist 30 October 2018 14: 18
                    +4
                    Quote: Nick_R
                    Nothing to take from the poor ...

                    right, they have already been robbed ... guess who ...
                  2. reservist
                    reservist 30 October 2018 14: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: Nick_R
                    It is the rich who finance the state, including expenses for the ARMY and security.

                    it would be shortsighted of them ...


                    and what kind of rich people are we talking about - which employees or owners?
                  3. Claymore
                    Claymore 30 October 2018 14: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: Nick_R
                    Have you ever thought that all hospitals, schools, roads, etc. the state builds at the expense of the RICH
                    Have you ever wondered how wealth is formed?

                    Nothing to take from the poor
                    Why are they hired?

                    We already went through this, but it’s obvious that someone has a short memory
                    Obviously, you were counting on it when you wrote this comment.
                    1. Nick_R
                      Nick_R 30 October 2018 15: 43
                      0
                      Have you ever wondered how wealth is formed?

                      I’m not just thinking about it, I’m practically doing it.
                      Naturally, being an employee does not make a lot of money. All risks are borne by the owner, therefore, profit / loss is also his. If you want to earn a lot, become an owner.
                      1. Claymore
                        Claymore 30 October 2018 15: 55
                        +4
                        All risks are borne by the owner, therefore, profit / loss is also his
                        All Does the owner bear risks? laughing

                        Can we compare the risks that the mine owner and the miner bear?

                        If you want to earn a lot, become an owner.
                        The owner is not a profession, not specialization, not qualification and not a form of labor.

                        The owner does not earn.
                      2. Nick_R
                        Nick_R 30 October 2018 17: 15
                        0
                        The owner is not a profession, not specialization, not qualification and not a form of labor.

                        The owner does not earn.

                        A compatriot is not a profession, just like an employee. If you are used to thinking in terms of political economy from your Komsomol youth, you can call the owners one of the factors of production (capital). And in this sense, the owner earns himself quite well, i.e. gets paid for his work
                      3. Claymore
                        Claymore 30 October 2018 18: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Nick_R
                        A compatriot is not a profession, just like an employee
                        The concept of "employee" includes the whole range of professions, specializations, qualifications and forms of labor + attitude to the means of production.

                        The notion "owner" includes only a relationship.

                        you can call the owners one of the factors of production (capital)
                        I can’t - the owner does not participate in production as an owner, as a result of which he is not a production factor.

                        And in this sense, the owner earns himself quite well, i.e. gets paid for his work
                        To work means to carry out labor activity.

                        The owner does not work as the owner. The owner is an attitude (attitude of ownership, relation to the means of production), and not a form of labor.


                        Z.Y. We will not compare risks?
                      4. Ross xnumx
                        Ross xnumx 31 October 2018 14: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Nick_R
                        All risks are borne by the owner,

                        And the risks for the mass death of workers who bears? On Raspadskaya, the case of the death of the miners was simply closed ... No one was injured ...
                    2. StVahmistr
                      StVahmistr 30 October 2018 19: 56
                      +2
                      Have you ever wondered how wealth is formed?
                      In many ways - theft, bribery, fraud, robbery, forgery, betrayal, raiding, etc.
                      1. Claymore
                        Claymore 30 October 2018 21: 03
                        0
                        Quote: StWahmister
                        theft, bribery, fraud, robbery, forgery, betrayal, raiding, etc.
                        That is, by alienation and appropriation of the fruits of another's labor.
                  4. RitaNik
                    RitaNik 30 October 2018 16: 17
                    +3
                    It is the rich who finance the state, including expenses for the ARMY and security. [Quote] [/ quote] That is 10% of the super-rich in Russia - sponsors of the Army and security forces? Ahhh, yes, I remember two - Serdyukov and Vasiliev ...
                    1. Nick_R
                      Nick_R 30 October 2018 17: 19
                      -2
                      Serdyukov and Vasilyeva thieves. I don’t think they paid a lot from their income. But having a few thieves among the rich cannot prove that all the rich are thieves, right?
                      1. RitaNik
                        RitaNik 30 October 2018 17: 56
                        +3
                        Yes, just find out the source of the initial capital. Do you want to say that the super-rich in Russia are the heirs of the dynasties of billionaires that have existed for centuries? Or are they all financial geniuses? Tell me, what other legal options to become super rich?
                      2. StVahmistr
                        StVahmistr 30 October 2018 19: 58
                        +2
                        But having a few thieves among the rich cannot prove that all the rich are thieves, right?
                        Of course not. 1% does not belong to the category of thieves. laughing
                  5. reservist
                    reservist 30 October 2018 19: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: Nick_R
                    And what's next, chaos, civil war, and the cook who controls the state?


                    We have already gone through this, but someone can see the memory is short.

                    And where is this “someone” now - “above” or “below” the social pyramid of our society?
                  6. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 31 October 2018 14: 13
                    -1
                    Quote: Nick_R

                    Have you ever thought that all hospitals, schools, roads, etc. the state builds at the expense of the RICH.

                    It's right. We need to think about when and how the owner of wealth got it. And it is true that these rich people began to think that laws with such money should not be fully respected ... Service in the armed forces is also not for them ... Yes ... Why spend money on different PUEs, SNIPs, observe the ENIRs, if in the first place should be a benefit. And if it is not there, then you should not do these things ...
                    You correctly said about hospitals and schools that the state is building them at the expense of the rich. Only these accounts are in foreign banks ...
                  7. kitt409
                    kitt409 1 November 2018 17: 05
                    0
                    It turns out curiously - you wrote "... they are interested in preserving the status quo, so that their unity is not taken away, their children are not killed by thugs, it was possible to drive on the roads, etc." (c)) while you for some reason well, it does NOT bother at all that the rich, really rich, oh, how long have there been guards, which can solve the functions of protecting themselves, their property and their family members with much greater efficiency)
                    And rather ridiculed about the roads - those who can already move on planes and helicopters, there are, of course, places where it is difficult, but these are more likely exceptions than rules)
                    and about the civil war - if you think it’s normal when almost all the latest changes and innovations are aimed at once again getting into your pocket to the average person, then indeed, a meeting on the barricades is inevitable, but we will most likely be from different sides, well your colleagues, participants in various lists, history does not teach anything that one of the French queens answered there and what did it lead to?
                    Do not know how, or do not want to draw conclusions from historical facts, well, this is your right) hope dies last))
              3. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 30 October 2018 11: 43
                +1
                Quote: Nick_R
                The poor are also paid extra for a communal apartment, while the rich, on the contrary, are treated at their own expense.

                Have you been to the clinic for a long time?
                I can please you, now everything possible is being done so that everyone can be completely treated at their own expense. Checked for yourself. They wanted to put the daughter in the hospital, but since the direction of the order was only a month later, and the condition of the child was worrying, they called an ambulance. The ambulance brought to the hospital, and the hospital found 100 pretexts not to accept. The result - they were treated themselves, for a fee.
                Quote: Nick_R
                The incentive to work harder to be a "poor" bum will disappear

                That is, you are talking about the fact that only hard workers who earn "normal" money have gathered in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and the rest of Russia are idlers, because they get much less ?!
                You really would not hurt to go to the clinic.
                1. Consultant
                  Consultant 30 October 2018 12: 25
                  -4
                  Quote: Sovetskiy
                  The ambulance brought to the hospital, and the hospital found 100 pretexts not to accept

                  Very strange. For this, with the competent execution (by you) of this fact, the person who did not accept it can have many troubles.

                  Quote: Sovetskiy
                  The result - they were treated themselves, for a fee

                  Well, it means that this option suits you. Somehow they tried to "not accept" me, but they broke off ... continue, what do I think about this, or is it already clear?
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 31 October 2018 10: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Consultant
                    Very strange. For this, with the competent execution (by you) of this fact, the person who did not accept it can have many troubles.

                    Everything is elementary "Watson".
                    I will not voice the full diagnosis, we needed to go to neurology. Brought an ambulance to neurology. The doctor on duty, who looked 20 years old, began to measure the temperature. I agree, the rules and all that ... Measured 37,1 without appeal sends us along with the ambulance to the infectious diseases room. We say - the child is healthy, perhaps he was worried (the wife is a little bit in this, but understands), the ambulance took our side, as they did an examination, including measuring the temperature. A scandal arose in the entire department. The ambulance doctor says: "Let us measure it with our thermometer, maybe yours does not show correctly, there is no suspicion of infectious diseases in the child!" She does not give up - to the infectious diseases department! Tell me, would you send your child to an infectious diseases clinic knowing that he is healthy in terms of infectious diseases? So I had to write a "voluntary" refusal so as not to treat my daughter also from roto-viral "gifts". By the way, the primary diagnosis in the ambulance doctors was confirmed in terms of neurology and infectious diseases.
                    1. Consultant
                      Consultant 31 October 2018 22: 45
                      -3
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      Intended 37,1 without appeal sends us with the ambulance to the infectious

                      They bred you like a rabbit, you’ll excuse me. But, apparently, there is money in your pocket, but you were too lazy to butt. So what are you complaining about then, I don’t understand?

                      Quote: kitt409
                      All-all in the course of HOW to design correctly?

                      Ignorance of the laws does not exempt from liability, are you up to date? wink
                      Quote: kitt409
                      for the literate - first of all, the mind is needed

                      And without brains in this world it’s generally difficult to live ... Life is what it is. And more - Nikakova (s).
                      1. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 1 November 2018 03: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Consultant
                        They bred you like a rabbit, you’ll excuse me.

                        And what do you suggest to me, "you are not our divorced", to ride with a sick child on infectious diseases, take there a refusal to admit, since the "diagnosis is wrong" and the child is healthy, go back and "butt" with the head of the department for a place in this fucking the hospital threatening to appeal to the prosecutor's office? Do you yourself know the procedure for admission to a specialized department? Formally, the "legal" reason for refusal was found and followed the procedure for admission. Will the medical council understand the "diagnosis" in case of complications of the child's condition? Don't tell my slippers! There, too, "they do not hand over their own" in which case, "arguments in defense" will be found unless, of course, the plaintiff does not have a familiar prosecutor.lol And in your opinion, all this time I had to seek "justice" while my child is waiting for "free and affordable" help? Is this the "face" of this modern, Russian "medicine" ?! This is the meaning of our medicine - to breed a "rabbit"? So I understood this perfectly well without you for a long time, that's why I'm writing that they are squeezing everyone into paid medicine by any means according to the precepts of Aifonchik. What the hell is this, such a mandatory procedure now - with a "massacre" or through the prosecutor's office to knock out the child a place in the hospital, which was brought by ambulance? Or, before calling an ambulance, it was mandatory to study all the laws on the jurisprudence of the Russian Federation? Or, before calling an ambulance, immediately call a "statutory" free lawyer under an insurance policy? lol Is it now on yours such a NORM of admission to a medical institution and I, in order not to be a "rabbit", had to go through it? And then how will she be treated there with such a "receipt", did not ask a question? After all, after 12 years, parents and child are not put together.
                        So what the hell I don't need then such "affordable medicine" together with their compulsory medical insurance and the kind of power that created it!
                        And on the account of money, yes! I will always find money for my own child! But not for those, as you put it, who "bred like a rabbit" - they got the hell out of nothing but "hemorrhoids"! Fucked those who at least directly write: "WE CURE FOR MONEY!"
                      2. Consultant
                        Consultant 1 November 2018 06: 18
                        -3
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        And what do you offer me, "you are not our divorced" ...

                        Well, firstly, to lower the volume))) I didn’t do anything bad to you, as I understand it.
                        Secondly - to begin with, to communicate not with a twenty-year-old girl whose reins fell under the tail, but with someone from her superiors, with the department head, for example. In case of unsuccessful communication with the authorities, ask (persistently) to write down the reason for the refusal (did you come to the ambulance? There is where to write), and warn that you do not agree with the "diagnosis", to put it mildly.

                        There are other "methods of influence", in my case even what I already wrote about worked.

                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Formally, the "legal" reason for refusal found and followed the procedure for

                        Yeah. 37.1 - is this a reason for hospitalization in an infection? As you said there -

                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Do not tell my slippers!

                        That's it.

                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Is this the "face" of this modern, Russian "medicine" ?! Is this the meaning of our medicine - to breed a "rabbit"?

                        Oh, the foam climbed ... Dear, you would be so outraged in the hospital wink

                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        What the hell is it ... with a "massacre" or through the prosecutor's office to knock out a place for the child in the hospital ... it is imperative to study all the laws ... a free lawyer ... the hell I don't need such "affordable medicine" together with OMS and the power that created it ...

                        Oh, how much foam ...

                        You will go to the States, live. There (that's for sure) there are only two main diagnoses - "this is garbage, and therefore we do not treat it," and "this is a polar fox, and therefore we do not treat it." Familiar there, I heard ...

                        But you must be able to fight for yourself, and even more so for your child. If you do not know how - pay. Such a simple choice.

                        And no one is to blame for you here, except for yourself, beloved.
                      3. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 1 November 2018 11: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Consultant
                        In case of unsuccessful communication with the authorities, ask (persistently) to write down the reason for the refusal (did you come to the ambulance? There is where to write), and warn that you with the "diagnosis" ... do not agree, to put it mildly.

                        Are you seriously?
                        I described the situation in the brink, and if you unfold it, then, in addition to 37,1, fantasies went about "suspected sore throat, loose throat", etc. etc. Is this not a "legitimate" reason for refusal? lol Another question. Does the department head have to be there around the clock (by the way they were looking for her) or does she have a working day? Come during business hours with your complaints?lol
                        I didn’t agree with the “diagnosis”, first of all, orally, moreover, I talked with you “quietly” here, unlike the hospital, but for some reason they still didn’t accept me. How so? lol And if I wrote in writing, would they immediately take me? lol I have already described the procedure as it happens.
                        Quote: Consultant
                        But you must be able to fight for yourself, and even more so for your child. If you do not know how - pay. Such a simple choice.

                        Thus, you yourself have confirmed that such "techniques" are the norm for the current "affordable" medicine. lol Do you know how? Call your friends from the local Ministry of Health with a request for "protection" or give it on the paw on the spot? lol Then yes, I do not know how to "fight for myself".
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Oh, the foam climbed ...
                        That's why she climbed. You too would sometimes go down into reality so that there is an understanding of what is happening around, and not in the papers to look for a familiar squiggle. Everything is really beautiful there and nobody is to blame except for the patients themselves lol
                        Quote: Consultant
                        And no one is to blame for you here, except for yourself, beloved.

                        I already heard that somewhere. Remembered! Nabiulina about what pensioners are economically illiterate among us, do not know how to manage their savings in the financial market, and therefore they themselves are to blame for their povertylaughing
                        It turns out that the last janitor is obliged to graduate from the HSE school - otherwise it’s his own fault! laughing But it’s not clear why the same head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, in turn, is not obliged to know, for example, the case of the machine milking operator, tractor operator, miner, etc. lol
                        Hello to the guardians of paper legality! hi
                      4. Consultant
                        Consultant 1 November 2018 20: 19
                        -2
                        I regret to say that you do not want to communicate constructively. Or do not know how. In addition - you inattentively read what they write to you:

                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        I disagreed with the "diagnosis" first of all orally ... And if I wrote in writing, would they take me right away?

                        I didn’t offer you to write anything anywhere. On the contrary:

                        Quote: Consultant
                        In case of unsuccessful communication with superiors - ask (persistently) to write the reason for the refusal

                        Write should have been the person who refused to accept you. Who it is - a doctor, the department head - is not even important. In addition, now all mobile phones can record video. Believe me, this makes a lasting impression)))

                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        you yourself have confirmed that such "techniques" are the norm for the current "affordable" medicine

                        These "tricks" have always been. And didn't go anywhere. By the way, I did not deny it)))

                        In general, I understand you, probably. You are looking for the causes of all your problems anywhere, but not in yourself, your beloved. I’ll say from experience that this is not the best possible position in life.

                        Whoever wants is looking for opportunities. Who does not want - seeks reasons

                        Good luck hi
                      5. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 2 November 2018 01: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        I regret to say that you do not want to communicate constructively.

                        Structurally, in what?
                        The fact that they did not provide me with statutory medical services?
                        So they showed me.
                        The ambulance arrived on call and drove to the hospital. Is the service provided? It turned out.
                        The hospital carried out an initial examination and, based on the results of the "examination," was redirected to the infectious diseases department of the city hospital. Is the service provided? Rendered.
                        Was the refusal written by the parents to continue the provision of medical "Services" already in the infectious diseases department? Written.
                        What else should you write, you are our bookworm? lol On what basis do you think we were transferred from one department of a hospital to a department of a completely different hospital? By verbal order of the doctor on duty? Like: "Fi! I'm not in the mood today, anyone to accept?" lol Naturally, she indicated the reason for the redirection. Leave your "video recording" for the hipsters.
                        Only now I needed a daughter to urgently treat, and not engage in crap in the passage of formal procedures. It's clear?
                        And now I directly foresee your resume: "Well, you see, you yourself are to blame! Why whine then?" Which comes through in your every comment. And where did you get the idea that you are the arbiter of the last resort and can make a verdict here about my "guilt"? Because the "Consultant" badge was hung? So besides you there is a "Guarantor"! lol Good luck!
                      6. Consultant
                        Consultant 2 November 2018 01: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Structurally, in what?

                        In everything. And you do not succeed.

                        All that I have presented to you in a similar situation has been personally tested by me personally. And it, imagine, worked.

                        If you don’t want to listen, don’t, but tell anyone you are smart, beautiful and smart. Just not me, ok? I'm fed up with you already)))
                      7. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 2 November 2018 03: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Consultant
                        Just not me, ok? I'm fed up with you already)))

                        ?? lol
                        And what, I invited you to the discussion and asked for an advisory service, or did you yourself here with your "advice" got in? lol
                        Quote: Consultant
                        You are smart, beautiful and smart, tell anyone.

                        laughing laughing laughing By laughing heartily! What offended the "Consultant"? lol
                      8. Consultant
                        Consultant 2 November 2018 06: 29
                        -2
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        What offended the "Consultant"?

                        I AM? You definitely confuse me with someone wink

                        On the contrary, you accidentally threw me the thought I appreciate - it would be necessary to change the picture. But for some reason it doesn’t change for some reason ... it disconnects easily, and the other does not connect, instead the old one climbs out again ... laughing
                      9. kitt409
                        kitt409 1 November 2018 12: 01
                        0
                        Well, I also have a backup option, unfortunately, not the most operational, but very effective - in about the same way, the "doctor" -or by specialty refused to accept the child with his mother - like you are not my site, come on Monday, for an appointment to his own, it was on Saturday, the manager, you say?
                        The question was decided much easier - I called in the evening on the phone, to whom? Yes, why is it here - on Monday almost in the evening a call from the head doctor, they asked me to come on Tuesday, they went in, we still did not write anything, although we were going to do it, we already have the answer - the conclusion - the doctor was dismissed on compromising grounds, I won’t give more precisely, but for personnel officers it’s like a red rag for a bull) - after this, the attitude in this medical institution is pretty good, and we don’t get impudent - I got sick, yes, forward, everything is fine - we don’t do not need too much)))
                        BUT WRITTEN I DON'T ABOUT THIS - ABOUT WHICH HOW DOES NOT ALL KNOW HOW IT NEEDS TO DO EVERYTHING CORRECTLY ...
                      10. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 1 November 2018 15: 42
                        0
                        Quote: kitt409
                        BUT WRITTEN I DON'T ABOUT THIS - ABOUT WHAT HOW DOES NOT ALL KNOW HOW IT NEEDS TO DO EVERYTHING CORRECTLY ..

                        The most interesting thing is that, in theory, I don't have to know everything "how to do it right". Even with an excellent memory, it is impossible to fit in one skull OZ, UK, AK, TC, the code of ethics of a medical worker and their internal rules, as well as banking rules, rules of catering establishments, rules of transport companies, etc. etc., in general, everything that can be useful in being in the environment of an ordinary society. It is simply not possible to know everything, especially in the design of our domestic document flow, which sometimes contradicts one another, even if you are a narrow specialist in this matter. fellow hi
                      11. reservist
                        reservist 1 November 2018 11: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Is this the meaning of our medicine - to breed a "rabbit"?
                        this is the meaning of any paid medicine sad
                        from the notes of an emigrant who went to America: "Remember, this is not a doctor in front of you, but a businessman who has put on a white coat for disguise ..."
                  2. kitt409
                    kitt409 31 October 2018 22: 34
                    0
                    All-all in the know HOW to correctly execute correctly ??,
                    and besides, when one of the relatives is in rather poor condition, there is more of an emotion, but for a competent person - first of all, the mind is needed)))
                2. Nick_R
                  Nick_R 30 October 2018 13: 26
                  0
                  Have you been to the clinic for a long time? 
                  I can make you happy, now everything possible is being done so that everyone is completely treated at their own expense

                  I go to the clinic regularly with the child and observe the positive dynamics of the last ten years. If you don’t see her, I recommend to visit neighboring Ukraine, your eyes will instantly open.
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 31 October 2018 10: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Nick_R
                    If you don’t see her, I recommend to visit neighboring Ukraine, your eyes will instantly open.

                    You can compare it with the zemstvo hospitals under the Tsar Pea, your eyes will also be rounded from the contrast. I'm talking about the results of "optimizations" and "monetization" of medical services.
              4. goose
                goose 30 October 2018 13: 44
                +2
                Quote: Nick_R
                You are wrong. Poor taxes pay little.

                You are mistaken because come from the wrong assumptions.
                There is an exit:
                1. Remove offshore benefits.
                2. Leave only direct taxes. - cancel all payments, deductions and additional taxes. Let personal income tax be 18% or more.
                3. A progressive scale needs to be done. Up to 80% is not nonsense, but in modern conditions, of course, busting, even if it differs by a maximum of 5%, with a maximum tax of 23-25%.
                4. Introduce draconian measures for tax evasion.
                5. Reduce VAT to 12%.

                Yes, the super-profits of certain cunning (5th-smart) personalities in trade will disappear. But the industry will come to life, and the budget will be enough for retirement, and for science, and for medicine. The desire to be poor is reduced.
                1. Nick_R
                  Nick_R 30 October 2018 14: 06
                  0
                  Leave only direct taxes. 

                  5. Reduce VAT to 12%.

                  You contradict yourself. VAT is an indirect tax that you propose to abolish, and on the other hand, to tax. By the way, for your information, excise taxes (for example, tobacco and alcohol) are also an indirect tax, as well as customs duties. Do you also propose to cancel them? By the way, they now form 75 percent of the budget. I'm afraid even a personal income tax rate of 90% will not be able to compensate them)
                2. Nick_R
                  Nick_R 30 October 2018 14: 09
                  -1
                  Remove Offshore Benefits

                  What is it like? Adopt a law in the State Duma on raising income tax rates in Cyprus and British island jurisdictions?
              5. kitt409
                kitt409 31 October 2018 22: 30
                0
                And if you recall that from what you called social help, there were horns and legs in the best case?
                Is there medicine? Well, there’s a polyclinic or hospital building, but getting there and getting help is not easy, to say the least, I heard a couple of days ago passing by my aunt in a dressing gown cheerfully saying that now you can’t get to the gastroenterologist, there’s no quota, and the quota will only be end of November, to December, then come (is this called privilege ??? A very dubious name - in my opinion)
                This is unfair.
                In education, it’s NOT at all better.
                egalitarianism also has disadvantages, I do not argue, but so far, what many consider to be benefits is essentially not ...
            3. Consultant
              Consultant 30 October 2018 12: 18
              -7
              Quote: Svarog
              we pay taxes, mainly the poor and middle class, representatives ... And the rich, they are smart ... They will find how to avoid taxes.

              Well, porridge in your head ...
              1. The article is about luxury tax. This is exactly your way
              Quote: Svarog
              u get paid mostly poor and middle class

              ??!
              2. The phrase
              Quote: Svarog
              ... they are smart ... They will find how to get away from taxes.

              also, by the way, refers to the tax on luxury. Which "poor and average" does not concern in any way ...

              In this regard, the question is: do you really not understand the subject of discussion, or are you pretending to be so talented?
          3. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 31 October 2018 14: 02
            -1
            Quote: Nick_R
            I read reviews and once again make sure that our country has a low tax culture, well, our citizens did not teach this at school

            And I read the comments of citizens and begin to understand why the State Duma of the Russian Federation passes laws, but doesn’t want to live by them, everything strives to come up with some privileges or exceptions. Indeed, the citizens of the country have a low tax culture. And their salaries are low, only make ends meet, and the taxes are the same for everyone ... fellow And why in a country that is going to gain economic independence, is there such an incomprehensible (therefore not studied) tax culture that wants to break free of the deadlock of the dollar? Why laws that cannot be figured out without lawyers?
            Social policy in the state should enable working people to live comfortably, and not drag out a beggarly existence. Both luxury taxes and high incomes should aim to curb the rampant appetites of the "hungry". Why is only the minimum wage introduced? Let's introduce the Maximum Permissible Amount of Labor Remuneration ...
            As for personal income tax payments, then those who work in the legal sphere pay them in their mass. Only after paying this tax, some get smashed from kefir to pasta, while others throw money from the windows of limousines ...
        2. AUL
          AUL 30 October 2018 10: 20
          +8
          Quote: Svarog
          It can go away from taxes .. since it considers itself and its associates smart, but it cannot create a mechanism by which it will be impossible to evade taxes.

          According to Siluanov, it turns out that only fools pay taxes!
          1. vatov
            vatov 30 October 2018 10: 53
            0
            He is not stupid, because he will pay this tax himself, how can he give his "honestly earned" ...
          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 30 October 2018 10: 55
            +1
            Quote: AUL
            Quote: Svarog
            It can go away from taxes .. since it considers itself and its associates smart, but it cannot create a mechanism by which it will be impossible to evade taxes.

            According to Siluanov, it turns out that only fools pay taxes!

            Class! Zdorovo noticed)) + You for a healthy sense of humor
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 30 October 2018 12: 04
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          Here you are, a bright representative ... He can evade taxes .. since he considers himself and his associates smart, but he cannot create a mechanism under which it will be impossible to evade taxes. For some reason, in America, this is considered a particularly serious crime, with the possibility of honor for life, and in China - execution. And in our country, in fact, power is recognized in its powerlessness. In this case, everything is in place. You can’t leave, but no, feeding trough ..

          Nevertheless, the same British Virgin Islands (BVI) serve as offshore mainly States.
        4. Tarhan
          Tarhan 30 October 2018 12: 06
          0
          and in China - execution.

          After that, the immediate family of the executed is billed at 30 yuan - the cost of the cartridge.
        5. Machito
          Machito 31 October 2018 21: 47
          -1
          Svarog, plus. A lot of dilettantes of managers carry crap from the screen, they themselves can’t do anything, they don’t want to leave, they don’t put money and corruption, they haven’t put out talented people, and even Americans have settled, sanctions, military threats, the desire to arrange a maidan.
          It is necessary to mobilize both rich and poor: to fight off the adversary and to devour everyone enough, and weapons for protection.
      4. tomket
        tomket 30 October 2018 09: 16
        +1
        Quote: Titsen
        But the most important thing - you can say a little too much - either an extremist or a terrorist!

        And why is the good old concept - the REVOLUTIONARY not put back into circulation?
      5. Campanella
        Campanella 30 October 2018 12: 19
        +2
        That is, we can not express our will and desires as a bearer of power? I believe that power should not be accountable to each other, but to the people. Even if one of the friends is super duper legitimate with his 86%, this does not mean that he cannot be criticized.
        Personally, I think Putin’s rule is mediocre and criminal!
        He did not defeat corruption, he did not restore the economy, but clan rule became the norm under him.
      6. NordUral
        NordUral 30 October 2018 12: 49
        +1
        It was necessary to speak, or rather to vote, during the elections in March. And now - either to sarcast these "smart" ones, or to stick your tongue out. There is another option, there will be more elections, and the choice is ours.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 30 October 2018 06: 33
      +23
      Well, I’d say straight-Hands off the rich!
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 30 October 2018 06: 36
      +13
      Mdaaa ... there are no words and that says the Minister of Finance to all of us ... I'm in shock.
      You would have at least appeased the GDP of this comrade ... his too talkative language negatively affects your person.
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 30 October 2018 08: 38
        +3
        Quote: The same Lech
        Mdaaa ... there are no words and that says the Minister of Finance to all of us ... I'm in shock.
        You would have at least appeased the GDP of this comrade ... his too talkative language negatively affects your person.

        "don't shoot the pianist - he plays as best he can" (c)
      2. tomket
        tomket 30 October 2018 09: 17
        +13
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        You would have at least appeased the GDP of this comrade ... his too talkative language negatively affects your person.

        Who would have reduced the GDP ....
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 30 October 2018 09: 45
          0
          Who would rationalize the GDP ...


          Only the Lord God ... there is no one else smile ... the highest power is a very dangerous thing ... those who really possess it in human society are very extraordinary people ... the personality of GDP is the richest material for future dissertations on the history of modern Russia ... And I would like to study the entire Kremlin cuisine from the inside ... all these strings and strings with which the GDP pulls the people he needs ... how has the GDP been managed for so many years without much damage to itself to manage a huge country called RUSSIA.
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 30 October 2018 09: 59
            +9
            all these strings and strings with which the GDP pulls the people he needs ... ,,
            But are you sure that he pulls, and not pull them? Why all over the world the rich pay more, and with us they turn out to be very smart.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 30 October 2018 10: 01
              0
              and you are sure that he pulls, but not pull them?

              Of course I’m not sure ... we don’t have access to the holy of holies in the presidential administration ... we have to use what is available in available sources of information.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 30 October 2018 12: 19
              0
              Quote: kotvov
              all these strings and strings with which the GDP pulls the people he needs ... ,,
              But are you sure that he pulls, and not pull them? Why all over the world the rich pay more, and with us they turn out to be very smart.


              Because at the moment, Russia's task is to attract capital in the Russian Federation, and not vice versa
      3. Ross_ulair
        Ross_ulair 30 October 2018 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        You would have at least appeased the GDP of this comrade ... his too talkative language negatively affects your person.

        And if you imagine that everything is in line with the party and government?
        Masks dropped, 6 years to come. What is lurking then?
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 30 October 2018 11: 07
          +2
          Yes, and before, somehow, they weren’t particularly lurking .. There is no money, go from teachers to business, etc.
    4. Underwater hunter
      Underwater hunter 30 October 2018 07: 55
      +6
      Quote: Finches
      Siluanov: "The rich are smart, they will still get away from the high tax." - and added to himself - "and I will help them with this ..." laughing

      Of course, he primarily meant to himself and meant)) In general, whatever the ministers would argue like that, responsibility should be tightened. Something especially doesn’t go away from taxes anywhere, in the USA you can sit for life for this, in China shooting, but we have Siluanov and others like them.
      1. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 30 October 2018 08: 25
        -1
        Our wealthy wealthy basically were dishonest. And to hope that they will honestly pay taxes is utopia. Maybe there is a reason to leave their taxation at the same habitual 13%, but punishment for tax evasion should be much stricter than that of an ordinary taxpayer. hi
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 09: 27
          -5
          And how do you determine what is honest and what is not? Where is this scale? If I honestly bought what fools sold for next to nothing, and turned it into candy with my efforts and my head, then what could be the claim?
          1. Roman070280
            Roman070280 30 October 2018 11: 08
            +1
            You can’t honestly make money on a yacht worth several million bucks .. Or on a palace .. Physically purely !! Here, even no trial is required ..
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 12
              -3
              Why? Maybe for someone. Any founders of VKontakte or classmates for example. Not poor people and did not steal. Invented, developed, enriched. All with his own head.
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 30 October 2018 11: 21
                -1
                You still don’t seem to understand ..
                A person can’t make billions !! It’s just that a person can’t work like that .. even during his life he’s NOT able to surround himself with walls of gold ..
                This is the original truth !! And it is already necessary to proceed from it ..
                If someone in the end suddenly has an extra 10 billion bucks, then something in the system is not working correctly !!
                Pay more salaries to your employees in classmates, for example .. And not with a difference of a thousand times .. Yes, all any moments in this scheme that lead to mega-enrichment - everything needs to be reviewed ..
                And it’s not that I invented some garbage - and fucked dough from all over the planet .. We understand that the zuckerbergs at the age of 16 did not exert either physical or mental labor for as much as all this costs ..
                Just like with football players, for example .. Their millions are far from sweat and blood .. Talent .. Heh .. You were born with a voice .. and sing .. And what ?? For this you need to be the king of life ?? The trouble is that all this is, one way or another, burned at someone else’s expense ..
                1. Bull Terrier
                  Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 31
                  -3
                  Well, come. In fact, the very Zuckerberg raising all this made very rich people his whole team from and to. Everyone who participated received shares and became a co-owner. What is there to understand? The world is so arranged. Not our Wishlist, but how it happened. And if so, then why not use it?) I also understand that the capitalization of one company, like apple, is higher than our budget, but essentially inflated. And this is strange, but this is not a reason to refuse it.
                  1. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 30 October 2018 11: 38
                    +3
                    The world is so arranged - this is not an explanation .. You need to understand this !!
                    And to make rich 10 of their friends at the expense of billions .. this is also not an explanation .. But if it were the other way around ... then another thing ..

                    I didn’t offer to refuse an apple .. But when two people work the same way (not whipping on the couch, namely working) .. At the same time, one is all in coal / fuel oil / soot .. at home with his wife he barely drags his legs .. and gets several. ten thousand .. And the second receives a few million a day .. Ahem .. How does he strain ??

                    Even if one without a break waves 8 hours 10 kg. a sledgehammer, and the second only corrects the wrench every 15 minutes .. they still can’t be paid for this with a difference of a thousand times .. And even when both work with full dedication ..
                    In general, in vain I write all this .. such things are clear to everyone except people of Siluanov’s level ..
                    1. Bull Terrier
                      Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 42
                      -3
                      I understand you, but I will repeat how this world works. Anyone waving a sledgehammer will not get much. With this you just need to come to terms and live. Or move higher and get a lot. Law of the jungle. The weak will always be eaten.
                      1. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 30 October 2018 11: 47
                        +1
                        Yes, this is all garbage .. This is not our world, but the bestial .. since we are talking about the jungle ..
                        And in the human world, my father got even a little more than a foreman as a loader .. And then everything was clear .. either tighten up, get soaked in soot .. but you get 200 rubles .. Or sit on the priest by the battery, drink tea, draw forms .. and get 140 ..

                        "just make peace and live" - ​​the phrase itself implies that you have to come to terms with something that due to weakness you cannot change, but which is not true ..
                      2. Bull Terrier
                        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 56
                        -3
                        Well, personally, I am not so romantic that I would spend my life fighting the system and injustice. On a global scale. Evolution itself will do everything.
                  2. kitt409
                    kitt409 31 October 2018 22: 42
                    0
                    The story with this boy is very muddy and rather dirty and odorous, and the fact that there are now very many who are ready for almost anything, want to get a lot of money - it's rather bad, they brought up modern society like that, and now we disentangle ...
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 30 October 2018 12: 20
              0
              Quote: Roman070280
              You can’t honestly make money on a yacht worth several million bucks .. Or on a palace .. Physically purely !! Here, even no trial is required ..


              Has Kaspersky earned its lard of tanks dishonestly too? )))
              1. Claymore
                Claymore 30 October 2018 14: 52
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Has Kaspersky earned its lard of tanks dishonestly too? )))
                That's right.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 30 October 2018 14: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Claymore
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Has Kaspersky earned its lard of tanks dishonestly too? )))
                  That's right.

                  And where did he steal what?
                  1. Claymore
                    Claymore 30 October 2018 14: 59
                    -1
                    At the enterprise.
                    The value created by employees.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 30 October 2018 15: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Claymore
                      At the enterprise.
                      The value created by employees.

                      That is, the hired workers themselves would be able to organize without it, create a task for themselves, release and sell the final product? )))
                      Having previously advertised it?
                      1. Claymore
                        Claymore 30 October 2018 15: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        That is, the hired workers themselves would be able to organize without it, create a task for themselves, release and sell the final product?
                        Having previously advertised it?
                        Without Kaspersky, they could.
                        Without an organizer / manager, they could not.

                        The work of the organizer is specific, complex, necessary and requires a decent payment.

                        But Kaspersky receives his income not in the form of payment for his labor, but in the form of profit, which is created by the labor of the entire staff of the enterprise.

                        And now the counter-question: could Kaspersky become a billionaire himself, with his work - without appropriating the value created in the process of labor by hired managers, hired programmers, hired market managers, etc.?
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 30 October 2018 16: 20
                        0
                        I couldn’t. Only the organizer of the whole process was he. )))
                        And he also set the tasks for managers.
                      3. Claymore
                        Claymore 30 October 2018 16: 55
                        0
                        Accordingly, he should receive income in the form of remuneration of the organizer, and not in the form of profit obtained as a result of alienation (= theft) and the sale on the market of the value created by the labor collective. )))
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 30 October 2018 17: 16
                        0
                        But he is also the initiator))
                        I understand perfectly what you want to say, but the socialist model of the economy and income distribution is not the best.
                      5. Claymore
                        Claymore 30 October 2018 18: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        But he is also the initiator
                        And what?

                        the socialist model of the economy and income distribution is not the best.
                        For whom?

                        Who substantiated this and how?
        2. Nick_R
          Nick_R 30 October 2018 10: 06
          -3
          Rich first paid the state VAT with "added" value, then transferred the money to the pension and other funds from the salaries of his employees, paid the land tax and the tax on the property of the enterprise, if after that there was something left, he paid income tax. And then, if he wants to spend money on his family, he must pay more personal income tax. Do you count a little?
          1. goose
            goose 30 October 2018 11: 47
            +4
            Quote: Nick_R
            The rich first paid the state VAT with "added" value, then transferred the money to the pension and other funds from the salaries of his employees. And then if he wants to spend
            money for your family, you must pay another personal income tax. Do you think little?

            He did not pay, but deducted from the salary of workers. And as a result, workers paid 35% of the tax on earned profit, and the capitalist only 13%.
            All other taxes are included in the calculation of profit, and are not additionally paid, so you know.
            If we add the multiplier effect, then the scale of tax inequality will be obvious. To fix this, you need to raise personal income tax to the level of Western countries and REMOVE ALL HIDDEN TAXES AND PAYMENTS. (which are most taken from hard workers, not from business)
            But ... you need to start with the elimination of privileges for offshore companies, no matter where it is registered, if the business in Russia is taxes in Russia. You can pay taxes on the Virgin Islands, or Panama.
      2. tomket
        tomket 30 October 2018 09: 18
        +7
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        Something especially doesn’t go away from taxes anywhere, in the USA you can sit for life for this, in China shooting, but we have Siluanov and others like them.

        The most powerful state machines are there, and we have the interests of the ruling class.
      3. goose
        goose 30 October 2018 13: 48
        0
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        Something especially doesn’t avoid taxes anywhere, in the USA you can sit for life

        They leave, but in strictly designated places for this, and this is the misfortune of America, although managed from the White House. That's when Panama becomes officially a state, let's see where they will go, but the hole will still remain for the elite.
    5. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 30 October 2018 08: 35
      +7
      Siluanov: -
      We know that the rich are not stupid people and will find ways to get around this solution, people can even withdraw money from our country.
      , so we will milk the poor and stupid ...... but how do you like?
    6. goose
      goose 30 October 2018 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      Siluanov: "The rich are smart, they will still get away from the high tax"

      This is "a person with a pathology in mental development" as taxes are considered ???
      Absolutely ALL rich people live off the exploitation of other people, paying only income tax, and these people pay not only income tax, but actually a social tax of 22%. Those. actually 35%. Moreover, social benefits are the same for everyone.
      Why don't rich people pay the same taxes as the people who work for them?
      Maybe I went too far ??
      Let at least 15% pay, but - I WANT SOCIAL JUSTICEas written in the Constitution !!!
      Why do we have such a huge difference in taxes between the rich and the poor, why do the poor pay such huge taxes and the rich pay so low ???
      Let's HONESTLY make personal income tax 30%, without any hidden fees for payroll, excise taxes, etc. dishonest manipulations.

      According to article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the main task of the social policy of the Russian Federation is to achieve the welfare of man and society, to ensure equal and fair opportunities for personal development. This task of the social policy of the Russian state should be solved in close unity with its economic policy.
      Source: http://constrf.ru/razdel-1/glava-1/st-7-krf

      [media = http: //rusrand.ru/docconf/rossiyskaya-konstituciya-i-pravo-o-socialnoy-spravedlivosti]
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 30 October 2018 06: 24
    +15

    We know that the rich are not stupid people and they will find ways how to get around this solution; people can even withdraw money from our country.
    1. novel66
      novel66 30 October 2018 07: 25
      +19
      the main task of the state is the collection of taxes, and the implementation of other tasks is directly related to it. signing the inability to collect taxes, the state signs its insolvency
      1. spirit
        spirit 30 October 2018 07: 42
        +11
        So he says, it is difficult to collect from the rich, because they are smart. so we’d better shave the poor and silly electorate who watch Nightingale litter every night hi he fulfills his task, he simply follows the path of less resistance
  3. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 30 October 2018 06: 29
    +9
    Well, yes, since the Silouans and the mobilizer for 7000 rubles will become a luxury item. with all the ensuing consequences for owners of mobile phones. and in a long series of mediocre decrees and laws this will be the first ..
  4. Conductor
    Conductor 30 October 2018 06: 34
    +11
    So let's introduce an article in the Criminal Code, responsibility for the withdrawal of capital.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 06: 39
      -17
      There are many articles from tax evasion to illegal currency transactions. Just the more they struggle with it, the more new ways it appears to move away from it. Now and so the nuts have been fully tightened. Do not rest, press hard. People themselves run taxes to pay even from left-handed deals, the main thing that they would not know.
      1. Adagka
        Adagka 30 October 2018 07: 54
        +5
        Are you apparently in each barrel a gag? In any topic, dozens of posts, you know everything about everyone. Only now, since you all know why you didn’t bother to answer a simple question, what is the difference between government and federal spending if the federal government is in the Russian Federation? And the difference, judging by your post, is there
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 09: 29
          -1
          No. I write where I am curious. Should I ask someone's permission? You follow yourself, it’s not worth following me. As for state and federal spending, start for yourself with how the state is formed, and how the federal budget. Then you will understand everything yourself.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 30 October 2018 07: 25
      -4
      Then, introduce currency control, the prohibition of foreign exchange transactions, currency transactions only from the state. Import only from the state, disconnecting the Internet and so on. Who is the first to howl? Just the people who make money on this, and again the black currency market
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 30 October 2018 07: 41
        -1
        A ban for what? Can’t you voice your alternative position?
    3. goose
      goose 30 October 2018 11: 50
      +4
      Quote: Conductor
      So let's introduce an article in the Criminal Code, the responsibility for the withdrawal of capital

      We have no one to execute the Criminal Code. Rather, the Criminal Code is applied selectively according to the property qualification rule. If you stole a lot, - the Criminal Code is not applicable. But for a loaf of bread they’ll close for a long time.
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 30 October 2018 06: 37
    +11
    Quote: Conductor
    So let's introduce an article in the Criminal Code, responsibility for the withdrawal of capital.

    The withdrawal of capital from Russia is a taboo ... which is not discussed by the Russian government.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 30 October 2018 07: 08
      +7
      That’s for sure, and then those very hatcher across Europe run like hares, because the gay ropa wants the unrighteous money to be taken away and for some reason credited to his budget. In July, in Krasnodar, 500 new bucks, not contagious, but with two approaches, whatever would be 40 rubles in total, I changed, so I was asked where you got the dollars. Stole from the budget)))))
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 07: 37
        -5
        You were probably asked for the reason that the person comes with small amounts for the second time) they have no other reason to ask)
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 30 October 2018 10: 09
          +1
          Formally, I did not violate anything, I changed twice for 250 bucks. why in this branch of the bank? Sberbank, but because there was a branch of the UIN Bank in which the new type of dollar refused to change, they do not correspond to the appearance, which is why I fell into CD.
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 11: 13
            -1
            Norm you have banks))))
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 30 October 2018 12: 28
            0
            Quote: Conductor
            Formally, I did not violate anything, I changed twice for 250 bucks. why in this branch of the bank? Sberbank, but because there was a branch of the UIN Bank in which the new type of dollar refused to change, they do not correspond to the appearance, which is why I fell into CD.


            Sberbank has a very unprofitable rate. Change in Kubankredit or BinBank.
      2. akunin
        akunin 30 October 2018 08: 14
        +5
        Quote: Conductor
        Stole from the budget)))))

        but from this point on in more detail and slower (I'm recording) bully
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 30 October 2018 10: 06
          +2
          Stolen from your own family budget! So that is not punishable.
          1. akunin
            akunin 30 October 2018 10: 14
            +1
            Quote: Conductor
            Stolen from my own family budget

            and does the wife know or guess? laughing
            1. Conductor
              Conductor 30 October 2018 10: 36
              +1
              And I am divorced))) and the financial relationship in terms of keeping the child settled)))) So I stole from my own budget, and spent mainly on the child, and a little on the ex-wife. Otak here. )))))
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 30 October 2018 12: 27
        0
        Quote: Conductor
        That’s for sure, and then those very hatcher across Europe run like hares, because the gay ropa wants the unrighteous money to be taken away and for some reason credited to his budget. In July, in Krasnodar, 500 new bucks, not contagious, but with two approaches, whatever would be 40 rubles in total, I changed, so I was asked where you got the dollars. Stole from the budget)))))


        Nonsense. Just give passport data and change at least 5000 tanks. How many times have I changed - and 8 thousand and 10 or more - no one asked me anything.
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 30 October 2018 13: 08
          0
          I explain installed. that currency exchange equivalent to 40 rubles do not need a passport. no inn. it was in the bin bank that they refused to change new dollars.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 30 October 2018 13: 44
            0
            Quote: Conductor
            I explain installed. that currency exchange equivalent to 40 rubles do not need a passport. no inn. it was in the bin bank that they refused to change new dollars.

            I calmly gave my passport without bothering. If not BinBank, then Kuban Credit, if not him, then Pervomaisky - any bills change there.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 October 2018 06: 38
    +10
    ... can even withdraw money from our country.
    And then ordinary people remember the slogan - "Expropriation of the expropriators" and get down to business. This is probably what some in the financial and economic block of the government want? Is there really no competent financiers and economists in the country? Obsessed with "friends" and move them from place to place after a major failure in their service.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 30 October 2018 07: 48
      +4
      Chelsea's laces were torn, and you mean the wealth tax!
      PS We have a diesel engine and gasoline in some places went up by 10 rubles .....
      1. akunin
        akunin 30 October 2018 08: 16
        +2
        oil workers are asking for another 5 wooden to raise before the new year (we have 92nd will be 50 r / liter)
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 30 October 2018 06: 44
    +18
    And the intelligent and wealthy Siluanov cannot create "repair gaps" in the tax system? ... In reality, he is not given such a task. In the Russian Federation, the state is in the service of foreign TNCs. ... All right, they would feed their "merchants of the fat bellies". They built industry, set up churches, suffered losses in hard times, but did not dump abroad. But the "Siluanovs" are absolutely strangers, indifferent people.
  8. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 30 October 2018 06: 44
    +10
    And let's cancel all the laws and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation for the rich, they are smart and rich, they will pay off anyway or hire good lawyers.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 30 October 2018 08: 30
      +6
      And you do not know that they canceled them for a long time already, they are "elite"
  9. snake
    snake 30 October 2018 06: 47
    +9
    those in Russia live well, who honestly work

    Antokha is the "most honest" person in Russia. Judging by Z / P Siluanov, he is "more honest" than all his colleagues in Europe.
    According to Siluanov, he understands that the big difference in income creates social tension, but he added that there is no new revision of tax policy in terms of introducing a luxury tax.

    No, but what? As long as the people endure, it is possible to increase social tension as they please.
  10. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 06: 55
    -2
    Somehow strange excerpts were used. He spoke of progressive taxation. And he also said that new taxes are being prepared for expensive cars, apartments and more. Now, even the transport tax is essentially calculated that the more expensive the car, the more you pay.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 30 October 2018 07: 04
      +5
      And whose so many expensive cars and disabled people are decorated?
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 30 October 2018 07: 07
        -6
        No idea. It wouldn’t even occur to me to draw up my property for someone. Well, except for relatives. And if there is someone with a disability in the family, then there is not enough shame in this to use this indulgence. Which, incidentally, must also be done very carefully, because then the tax tortures this disabled person about the funds for the purchase.
  11. Million
    Million 30 October 2018 07: 07
    +13
    For such words, he must at least be removed from office!
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  13. askort154
    askort154 30 October 2018 07: 27
    +6
    Million ....For such words, he must at least be removed from office!

    Yeah ! It turns out that he insulted all taxpayers in Russia.
  14. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 30 October 2018 07: 41
    +13
    Signed in his own impotence. That is, the rich are smart people. And all the rest are fools. And this despite the fact that they boast that Russia has the best tax service in the world. The best - three skins to tear with a small businessman.
    1. arkady149
      arkady149 30 October 2018 08: 13
      +2
      Ah, what unfortunate small employers we have. The last x ... they eat up without salt. Any noise on TV about the crisis is a sufficient basis for cutting premiums, and they are half the salary.
      Tell me, where else does the owner of two or three stalls with cheap shoes live in a 2-3-storey mansion and drives his ass in a Lexus?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 30 October 2018 12: 34
        0
        Quote: arkady149
        Ah, what unfortunate small employers we have. The last x ... they eat up without salt. Any noise on TV about the crisis is a sufficient basis for cutting premiums, and they are half the salary.
        Tell me, where else does the owner of two or three stalls with cheap shoes live in a 2-3-storey mansion and drives his ass in a Lexus?

        If he is really the owner of two or three stalls and drives an expensive Lexus, living in a good house, then he is engaged in cashing. You won’t earn much from the stall.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 30 October 2018 07: 49
    +1
    I want to say, but there is nothing, because some "winged" phrases come to mind. Boom to take care of .... no sho, sho there is still left.
  16. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 30 October 2018 07: 50
    +5
    We know that the rich are not stupid people and they will find ways how to get around this solution; people can even withdraw money from our country.

    How is it? wassat Something with all their "wisdom" these people could not come up with anything except methods
    "relatively honest ways of taking money from the population"
    .
    Only Bender took the money from those who acquired it illegally, and these ...
    Thimblers are also smart people. Such performances are performed that suckers are still "biting" ...
    It is time to declare that to us your capitalism is already fed up with you and your intelligent rich people. You will wait for the people to raise their heads ... Guess where this may turn out to be yours? belay
    1. Vlad 63
      Vlad 63 30 October 2018 08: 17
      +2
      I'm afraid their head and the place that they think by this time will bask somewhere on the shores of some country with a very mild climate.
  17. Romanenko
    Romanenko 30 October 2018 08: 03
    +4
    Apparently, the riches are now in fashion among the rich.
    Is this a light buzz from the feeling of being involved in a block of untouchable, impregnable and unpunished?
  18. akunin
    akunin 30 October 2018 08: 05
    +4
    We know that the rich are not stupid people and they will find ways how to get around this solution; people can even withdraw money from our country.
    if you don’t follow the pig, it will not only dig up the garden, but also eat the child. all over the world the fiscal authorities work and the rich wool, but we get paid and gutted ... and they tell us
    that the rich are not stupid people
    (it turns out that the stupid people work in the tax authorities and the same stupid people accept tax laws) .Alfonso Kapone put the tax inspector in thoroughly corrupt Chicago (at the time of planting, Kapone was not very strong, although he died of neurosyphilis in prison).
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 30 October 2018 08: 22
      +11
      From everything said by Siluanov and others close to the woman .., sorry, to the emperor, it follows that the "elite" wants to completely isolate themselves from the Russian people, makes themselves immune and untouchable. How it all ended 100 years ago, we remember very well.
      1. akunin
        akunin 30 October 2018 10: 17
        +1
        Quote: uskrabut
        that the "elite" wants to completely isolate themselves from the Russian people, makes themselves immune and untouchable

        and "barvikha village" (the village of barvikha, and serdyukov with vasilyeva? has already happened
  19. bald
    bald 30 October 2018 08: 08
    +6
    This is tantamount, as to oneself, to sue and put in court.
  20. Altona
    Altona 30 October 2018 08: 10
    +7
    Siluanov confirmed that our ministers are dumb and dumber.
  21. georggy
    georggy 30 October 2018 08: 12
    +4
    Siluanov look for Goodwin. He will help you.
  22. depressant
    depressant 30 October 2018 08: 13
    +6
    Are the rich smart? There is such a thing as the reproduction of labor. The rich, having intensified their own capital at the expense of the undernourished workers, undermine the basis of its growth. It's like tapeworms - they eat the carrier and die with it, but they got drunk - at least once from the heart!
  23. Vlad 63
    Vlad 63 30 October 2018 08: 13
    +7
    It is not for this that the retirement age, VAT, fuel prices, housing and communal services are being raised, so as to skim the cream off the "smart" ones. So everything is correct. Bald, let's abolish taxes altogether for those who live well in Russia, and the rest suffer.
  24. uskrabut
    uskrabut 30 October 2018 08: 17
    +7
    We know that the rich are not stupid people and will find ways to get around this solution, people can even withdraw money from our country
    And we know that if the government does not pay super-high salaries, then nothing terrible will happen to Russia. And we also know that the one who pays less is paying more - this is a question for your conscience.
  25. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 30 October 2018 08: 19
    +19
    I wonder how quickly the rich developed a manner of contempt for everyone else (except their own kind?). Since I have no other experience, I have to share my family’s experience. I don’t know what ways they learned, but my wife was invited by a home teacher to a rich house. Mom - the ballerina of the Mariinsky Theater - is not prima, but not the corps de ballet, dad is a banker - and a child. Well gone, the three-story palace with columns in a park with centuries-old pine trees - not far from the bay. But the lesson failed, because the child shot his wife in the face at the beginning of the lesson, I don’t remember what for something. Wife - without any assault strictly indicated that this should not be done. The child roared. Immediately his wife was refused home - without paying. And they did it in a boorish way - they announced through a servant. Well, yes - they are smart, and I worked for forty years for nuclear medicine - I was recognized by the Americans as the best in a narrow specialty - but I live more than modest But when I had a penetrating heart attack, I was honored to be treated in a triple room. because they remember me - by the way they cured me
    1. RitaNik
      RitaNik 30 October 2018 13: 58
      +2
      Therefore, the education system is degrading. Why should bankers and their offspring be educated and thinking people ...
      1. RitaNik
        RitaNik 30 October 2018 14: 04
        +2
        I remembered Gref with his "pearls".
    2. kitt409
      kitt409 31 October 2018 22: 56
      0
      Do not worry - well, that child will remain unlearned)))
  26. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 30 October 2018 08: 22
    +2
    Companies have a national sport - how not to pay taxes. A little squeeze - they open a new legal entity, transfer assets, or even abroad, and continue to not pay taxes further. A frail budget is barely making ends meet at national cost. No.
    1. Vlad 63
      Vlad 63 30 October 2018 08: 27
      +2
      budget barely making ends meet

      So then, the budget is in surplus for a year in a row.
      At companies - a national sport - how not to pay taxes
      . Not all companies can do that. As an example, construction. Ask how much SRO costs.
  27. Snail N9
    Snail N9 30 October 2018 09: 21
    +4
    Russia in one photo (there is such a competition of photos):



    This photo was titled: "Putin's Renaissance":
  28. Vlad 63
    Vlad 63 30 October 2018 09: 21
    +5
    According to polls, 40% of Russians do not know how to hold out with the salary before the war with America.
  29. Nikolay R
    Nikolay R 30 October 2018 09: 25
    +1
    It was a good practice in the USSR when large enterprises built housing, schools, roads, health centers, etc. for their employees. That is why now, taking into account our time, not obliging the rich to help, as they say, build a country. And this could well be done instead of raising taxes. Moreover, more than half of the budget still settles in the pockets of officials.
  30. ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN 30 October 2018 09: 30
    +3
    "We know that the rich are not stupid people and will find ways to get around this decision, people can even withdraw money from our country." So let's not do anything ?! Yes, comrade Silu-anov ?! And what have I forgotten, we will raise all sorts of taxes to the slaves of the price of gasoline, well, the rich can't get it ?! What surnames they have)) one Sahip-zadovna is worth something))
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 30 October 2018 11: 38
      +1
      They think in other categories ...
  31. Govorun
    Govorun 30 October 2018 09: 35
    +6
    Siluanov: The rich are smart, they still go away from high tax
    That is, according to the logic of Siluanov, the rich (and not so) who will pay taxes, complying with the law of the Russian Federation, are FOOLS ?! These are our leaders who already know that laws for suckers who don’t have enough connections to help find the same loopholes in the law, not to mention our middle and lower class, now he directly identified two sides ... on SMART people who don’t pay taxes and STUPID ones who comply with the law and pay taxes ...
  32. Waldemar
    Waldemar 30 October 2018 10: 20
    +3
    How many have seen the rich - the cunning yes, the vile yes. Smart? Among the rich there are few of them. Whoever is clever understands things more broadly and more meaningfully than money.
    Siluan, like the entire government, is an occupation administration to transfer resources to the owners. Death to the dogs.
    The real government will tear the eggs of the rich if he does not pay for luxury. And no schemes can help, they are just dust in the eyes because everything is obvious well, and the fact that the siluan himself will have to pay
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 30 October 2018 10: 28
      +7
      Quote: Valdemar
      The real government will tear the eggs of the rich if he does not pay for luxury.


      these will not be torn off!
  33. New Year day
    New Year day 30 October 2018 10: 27
    +4
    Siluanov forgets that the poor, but honestly working, the question arises - why pay taxes if the state will throw you anyway? How would he answer this question?
  34. JonnyT
    JonnyT 30 October 2018 10: 43
    +1
    Fuuh, he calmed me down, but I already thought that the oligarchs would be "fed" for the good of the state. en nets - all at the expense of slaves
  35. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 30 October 2018 10: 54
    0
    We have a 45 percent max tax starting at $ 180000. The tax is not taken if the income is less than 20000 and the state gives many privileges to those with low income, such as a discount on electricity, gas, water, medicines, etc.
  36. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 October 2018 11: 05
    +6
    And this is what the representative of the government says. Painting in its own powerlessness before the powers that be and cynicism towards the rest of the population.
  37. Vard
    Vard 30 October 2018 11: 15
    +1
    Come on! When tax was organized in Russia, workers received a percentage ... for taxes ... Return and everything will be ...
  38. Elephant
    Elephant 30 October 2018 11: 23
    +1
    Will the rich not pay? But if we had it as in the states - 20 years in prison for tax evasion, and not small fines. But who will take such tough measures if our rich do not need it ...
  39. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 30 October 2018 11: 24
    +5
    Anton Siluanov:
    We know that the rich are not stupid people and they will find ways how to get around this solution; people can even withdraw money from our country.

    That is, the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, in other words, says that there are stupid people in the Government and in law-making institutions who are unable to protect the country's economic interests from "smart" ones? Thank you for your frankness Mr. Siluanov, now it is clear who makes the laws in our country, and then monitors their implementation.
  40. Campanella
    Campanella 30 October 2018 12: 00
    +2
    "Listen, it's a shame, I swear, well, I didn't do anything, yes, I just entered."
    Sacramental phrase of our power! They can’t do anything, because they know the result in advance. Well, the logic of the Siluanovs!
    Some kind of kapets and not power. How does he differ from collectors this ghoul from the government?. It would be better to be silent ...
  41. Campanella
    Campanella 30 October 2018 12: 11
    +5
    I don’t understand, why should these rich be pitied? Did they raise the economy? Have they made the life of the people good? Sitting on natural resources do not pay anything, just fill your cheeks. Who is Sechin, Miller? Geniuses of Entrepreneurship? No. Presidential proteges. Question to the president, why does his homies have such incomes in our impoverished country? Russia? Or St. Petersburg kagala?
    1. Vlad 63
      Vlad 63 30 October 2018 12: 25
      0
      Answer: Because, they are his sidekick.
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 30 October 2018 20: 57
        +1
        actually accomplices.
  42. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 30 October 2018 12: 24
    +4
    And this eccentric letter m is the Minister of Finance. And did not try to take taxes from salaries and incomes? And if they start to withdraw money, then prison and nationalization. There is control of bank deposits and a lot of other mutoten .. It is necessary to work for 2 million a month, and not wipe your pants!
  43. Catfish
    Catfish 30 October 2018 12: 38
    -1
    [quote = Dzafdet] There is a control of bank deposits and a lot of other mutoten .. It is necessary to work for 2 million a month, and not wipe your pants!

    Does Shikoko Mulenov go to his left? laughing
  44. AnderS
    AnderS 30 October 2018 12: 44
    +1
    We know that the rich are not stupid people and they will find ways how to get around this solution; people can even withdraw money from our country.
    Well, of course, and Mr. Siluanov himself is a fool, and in the Duma there are the same stupid people who cannot pass laws, so that "smart" people cannot get away from taxes, and they cannot be taken out of the border, and they are in the tax office. which cannot close all loopholes. And if, nevertheless, someone leaves, then there are cretins from the Investigative Committee, the Prosecutor's Office and the Ministry of Internal Affairs on guard, they will never find such "smart guys".
  45. wooja
    wooja 30 October 2018 13: 11
    +1
    The author is right ... rich and smart taxes are paid at a minimum if they are paid at all ... Honest business is an honest business, but not at all what an ordinary person thinks about ... but still they make payments , to whom, how, how much ....., this is what it is not accepted to talk about ....
  46. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 30 October 2018 13: 42
    +2
    Quote: from article
    According to the Minister of Finance, a flat 13% scale was established, and it would be wrong to change it.

    So you need to change the Minister of Finance.
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 30 October 2018 20: 56
      0
      but is it not better to change the entire leadership of this mess? Until it died that they so stubbornly set fire to!
  47. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 30 October 2018 14: 27
    +1
    Why connect something, the Kremlin gentlemen have an ambivalent consciousness and the 100th anniversary of the Komsomol goes well with Solzhenitsyn readings, the Russian world, respected partners and a half-abandoned Donbass
  48. Status
    Status 30 October 2018 15: 01
    +1
    Quote: Nick_R
    Many taxes can be optimized in a completely legal way. For example, to register as an individual entrepreneur and receive not a salary with which to pay 13%, but an entrepreneurial income of 6%

    You incorrectly imagine the taxation of entrepreneurs, there is not only (and not so much) 6% (or 15% by the way), but a great many other non-tax payments and other expenses (bank, accounting). That's right, such statements confirm that the small and medium sectors of the economy bear the main tax burden.
  49. kefan
    kefan 30 October 2018 17: 59
    +2
    Well, yes, of course, it’s better to put everything on the common people, it’s much easier.
  50. rocket757
    rocket757 30 October 2018 20: 05
    +5
    In any other, NORMAL, country, not only this du-R-ak, but also the prime minister for the company would have flown out of his chair, with a whistle, because he had taken such a go-oh!
    True, in our government, the go-o-tism contest is taking place, with varying success and leadership !!!
    Anyway, the head of all this bedlam is ONE!
    Well, they would steal, they stole, but they did the job! Ours does not fit in any way.
    Since it is bad and worse to do business, they are busy exclusively with others!
    I don’t understand, we are sho for do-R-aki such, we chose the same rake AGAIN!
    1. Claymore
      Claymore 30 October 2018 21: 13
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      but also the prime minister for the company, because he’d taken such a job!
      The prime minister only offers the candidacies of ministers and deputy prime ministers.

      The appointment is made by the president.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 October 2018 06: 45
        +2
        Quote: Claymore
        The prime minister only offers the candidacies of ministers and deputy prime ministers.

        I do not separate them in any way, listen to \ tell tales about the good king and bad boyars, this is not for me!
        Although, I’ll add right away that there is a SYSTEM of governing the country, which is a conglomerate of the merger of the rich, large officials (the wealthy too), security officials and large politicians, who are the real authorities in the country !!! Those who broadcast from the stands, sign different contracts, there are either a screen behind which everything happens, important decisions are made, or the same players from TOY, and not our team.
        1. Claymore
          Claymore 31 October 2018 15: 39
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          I do not separate them in any way ...

          SYSTEM of government of the country, which is a conglomerate of the merger of the rich, large-scale bureaucracy (identity of the wealthy too much), security officials and large politicians, who are the true power in the country !!! Those who broadcast from the stands, sign different agreements, there are either a screen behind which everything happens, important decisions are made, or the same players from TOU ...

          good drinks
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 31 October 2018 16: 36
            +1
            He didn’t show anything new, the classics have all the concepts and explanations! The book is our main teacher.
            I would send ALL of my fellow citizens to that reading room and forced to read / learn !!!
            Can we stop even then raking paces ???
            1. Claymore
              Claymore 31 October 2018 16: 51
              +1
              But not all of these concepts and explanations are known and understood. )))
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 31 October 2018 17: 00
                +1
                And than the reader is good, there is always someone to discuss with, ask and get explanations!
                I, too, am not a genius, I read and talked with people, different!
                The truth was younger, then it was easier to perceive, understand, and much less sleep was required! But now no one dares to say that old age caught up with me alone, in a fun company like that!