What happened to the floating dock PD-50, where the Admiral Kuznetsov was being repaired

From the Murmansk region there are reports of an incident at the 82-m ship repair plant in the village of Roslyakovo. It is reported that the floating dock PD-50 - one of the largest in the world - sank. It should be noted that it was on PD-50 that the repair of the only Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov was carried out. Float sank due to abnormal filling of its tanks.

RIA News cites a statement from a plant representative:

During the docking works by employees of the 82 shipyard in the village of Roslyakovo, there was an interruption in the supply of electricity, as a result of which PD-50 floating boat tanks were filled abnormally. As a result, the float fell sharply under water. No casualties.

There are four affected. They were in the water and got hypothermia. To date, all the victims have been taken to a medical facility.

In connection with the incident, the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov had to be towed to continue repairs to the regular berth. It is noted that the Admiral Kuznetsov did not receive any damage during the flooding of the PD-50.

According to other sources, a tower crane fell on the deck of an aircraft carrier as a result of flooding the bridgedock. There was a fall and another crane, which the body of the aircraft carrier did not hurt.

For reference: in its PD-50, a building of the Kursk APRK lifted from the bottom of the Barents Sea was once placed.

Comments

[Same lech]

The float dock sank due to the abnormal filling of its tanks.

Spaceships are falling from improperly installed orientation sensors, and then someone unexpectedly discovered kingstones ... I’m not surprised at anything ... in our country this can’t happen ... hell when it all stops.

[Vard]

When during work people stop thinking where to get the money, that would make it to the salary ... Pay normally and everything will work out ...

[Same lech]

Pay normally and everything will work out ...

This is not the most important ... with the same success you can hire Vikings and pay them.
Our deputies from the State Duma are paid big salaries and everything is not enough ... but everything is not in order in the country with laws, so having a big salary is not an indicator of success ... it’s more likely that good personnel are needed ... responsible personnel and that everyone has own seal (mark) of quality in the work by which you can judge it.

[Observer2014]

Same lech (Alexey )

rather, good personnel are needed here ... responsible personnel and that each has its own seal (sign) of quality in the work by which one can judge him.

Your offer again rests on the salary. How they pay. So they work. A vicious circle is obtained. At such moments And Stalin is not enough with L.P. Beria. And from the very top. Prime from the Kremlin beginning. Eeeeeh

[Bull Terrier]

In their time, they would generally work there for food!

[Shurik70]

If you didn’t have enough brains when designing such an object, put autonomous diesel power stations on the dock, which AUTOMATICALLY start in case of loss of power from the shore, then I hope they will put it now.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Shurik70

If you didn’t have enough brains when designing such an object, put autonomous diesel power stations on the dock, which AUTOMATICALLY start in case of loss of power from the shore, then I hope they will put it now.

This is a Swedish dock, everything was thought out there, including the availability of diesel generators. Built in 1980 in Sweden at the Gotaverken Arendal shipyard, commissioned by the USSR Navy. Length 330 m, width 67 m, load capacity 80 thousand tons. Most likely the reason is the poor technical condition of the dock. By the way, most recently they drowned a dock at a ship repair plant in Slavyanka.

[atalef]

Quote: Shurik70

If you didn’t have enough brains when designing such an object, put autonomous diesel power stations on the dock, which AUTOMATICALLY start in case of loss of power from the shore, then I hope they will put it now.

In general, as a rule, power is supplied from the shore not only by the dock, but also by the ship under repair, while, of course, it will receive it not from the outlet of the nearest change house, but from a power substation, more precisely the switchgear of this substation and, of course, not via one cable.
I'm not saying that the dock itself is not the only consumer, but receives power from the main substation of the entire enterprise, and the main substation from the state network.
Now the question is - what category of consumer is this enterprise?
At least the second, and most likely the first. those

the first category of electricity supply, it includes such types of electricity consumers that, as a result of their downtime without electricity, can cause danger to people's lives, state security, cause great material damage, breakdown of complex and expensive equipment or disruption of complex process technology, work of public utilities, communication elements and television.

make your own conclusions

Electric consumers of this category during normal operation should provide for two independent redundant power sources, which have a break to resume power supply when one of them is turned off, should be only for the time of automatic switching to the second. This can happen in seconds and minutes.
electric generator for the third group of power supply For a special group of the first category, a third independent source should be provided to increase the overall reliability. In the role of a third independent source for a special group of electric consumers, as well as for a second power source for other electric consumers of the first category, they can use your power plants, general power systems (this can be generator voltage buses), various uninterruptible power supplies, batteries, etc.

you must understand that the design and maintenance of the electrical facilities does not occur at the level of a workhouse - there are standards, PTE, GOSTs and so on and so forth with regular inspections and checks of the operability and reliability of equipment.
All this was supposed to be there, while of course in a fully operational state.
In general, I think that we stamped the MLC, now you can write off anything and for any amount you want. And it seems like nature is to blame.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Shurik70

If you didn’t have enough brains when designing such an object, put autonomous diesel power stations on the dock, which AUTOMATICALLY start in case of loss of power from the shore, then I hope they will put it now.

it is not clear why with the loss of email. supply flooded the tank?
it’s not a generator or a problem with the supply of electricity.
it is impossible to pump out water from tanks without electricity, but in order for them to not pump water into the current is not necessary.
let them investigate further

[atalef]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

it is impossible to pump out water from tanks without electricity, but in order for them to not pump water into the current is not necessary.

in general, the flooding of kingstones is carried out by simply opening the holes (if it can be called 0, it does not make sense to pump water, it enters by gravity, but - all these plugs are controlled by filling, the filling takes place in a controlled mode and controlling the amount of water is very important.
I dare to suggest that the plugs have an electric drive.
In this case, the availability of backup sources of electricity is vital.
Why wasn’t this?
It raises the question of weather forecasts and the general organization of work.
Conclusion of a ship weighing under 70 tons is not quite an alarming procedure.
In general, it’s not just a mess, but generally it’s not clear what.
And if the dock broke, as they say, then as I understand it is not subject to restoration, and therefore Kuzya will not be repaired in the foreseeable future.

[Gray brother]

Quote: atalef

In this case, the availability of backup sources of electricity is vital.
Why wasn’t this?

Each valve has a separate stole generator? There is no such thing.
The dock was collecting water so that the Kuznetsov could be released, I believe that it was not near the coast, so there was no external power supply.
Automation burned out during a power surge, the cable channel could easily burn out - why, that's another question. Since there is no power, the valves could not be closed, so he drowned.

[atalef]

Quote: Gray Brother

Each valve has a separate stole generator? There is no such thing

And who claims about each valve?
Where did you see it?
[quote = Sulfur
th brother] Doc was taking water to release Kuznetsov, I think that not near the shore, so there was no external power. [/ Quote]

And the pumps for the subsequent drainage on the holy spirit will work?
Or were you originally going to drown the dock

Quote: Gray Brother

Automation burned out during a power surge, the cable channel could easily burn out - why, that's another question

categorically Do you understand anything about electrics?

Quote: Gray Brother

Since there is no power, the valves could not be closed, so he drowned.

But what about this?

Quote: Gray Brother

I believe that it is not near the shore, so there was no external power.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: atalef

all of these plugs are controlled by the TC, the filling takes place in a controlled mode, and controlling the flow of water is very important.
I dare to suggest that the plugs have an electric drive.
In this case, the availability of backup sources of electricity is vital.

there are solenoid activators - NO, NC (normaly open / close)
that is, a safe option is selected in case of loss of email. energy.
let's say - there is no current - the valve is closed in this case. you need to have voltage to open
It seems that there was a failure in the controller / relay. a surge in line voltage could damage the processor. could solder the relay contact. a lot of what.
Well, the human factor is also sacred

[atalef]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

there are solenoid activators - NO, NC (normaly open / close)
that is, a safe option is selected in case of loss of email. energy.
let's say - there is no current - the valve is closed in this case. you need to have voltage to open

what solenoids? Can you imagine the dimensions of the intake doors (or whatever they are called)

Quote: Maki Avellievich

It seems that there was a failure in the controller / relay. a surge in line voltage could damage the processor. could solder the relay contact. a lot of what.
Well, the human factor is also sacred

it's not a children's boat

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: atalef

what solenoids? Can you imagine the dimensions of the intake doors (or whatever they are called)

it all starts with a millivolt signal, and then a relay, relay, etc.
it doesn’t matter, say without solenoids.
the question is - why did these "intake doors" open when the voltage was lost?
I do not believe that the dock does not flood itself only as long as there is electricity in its system and as soon as it is not there, it immediately sinks.
can not be

[atalef]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

it all starts with a millivolt signal, and then a relay, relay, etc.
it doesn’t matter, say without solenoids.

You make it easy

Quote: Maki Avellievich

the question is - why did these "intake doors" open when the voltage was lost?

why did they open? it is likely that they were regularly open to fill the tanks and withdraw Kuzi.
That is why they did not close? Yes, because, how do you close, let's say this elementary electric drive, if you do not have voltage?

you don’t look at the gate, there can be dozens of them (these drives) and some of them are submersible

Quote: Maki Avellievich

I do not believe that the dock does not flood itself only as long as there is electricity in its system and as soon as it is not there, it immediately sinks

You should take into account that the dock is flooded evenly, depending on the load on it and, accordingly, to maintain stability, different tanks should be filled with different amounts of water.
If an uncontrolled filling starts, then the dock may roll over or break (which, in general, happened), as I understand it.
You represent this colossus 30 0 m long, with tower cranes, etc. etc.
And all the electrical facilities on it.
And you say relay, millivolt.

[Maki Avellevich]

why did they open? it is likely that they were regularly open to fill the tanks and withdraw Kuzi.
That is why they did not close? Yes, because, how do you close, let's say this elementary electric drive, if you do not have voltage?

but - take for example a BELIMO crane.
we will find that the normal position is "closed". there is a spring in the mechanism.
that is, if we say halfway through the opening, the tap is de-energized, then it will not remain open. the spring will return it to its "normal" position - closed.
and no generators are needed.

[mmaxx]

Thus, it was probably necessary to open another such crane in order to compensate for the uneven flooding. In any way, e-energy is necessary

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: mmaxx

Thus, it was probably necessary to open another such crane in order to compensate for the uneven flooding. In any way, e-energy is necessary

maybe, but it seems to me there is a difference between the roll and the flooding of the dock

[mmaxx]

According to a person from shipbuilding, the docks are flooded with pumps. The water supply must be controlled. It is reasonable.

[politach-delivery]

There are generators there.
https://www.korabel.ru/fleet/info/33003.html

[figwam]

When carrying out dock work, employees of the 82nd shipyard in the village of Roslyakovo experienced a power outage

Special services will figure out who made this sabotage.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

What will it change? The main goal of an investigation of a state of emergency is not the search and punishment of those responsible, but the prevention of such an incident in the future. A similar state of emergency recently occurred (here in the comments there is about Slavyanka). What do we have as a result? The second such incident.
AND? What did the previous investigation give? It didn’t work.
If Russia had a clear socio-economic policy, then an analysis of the accident could give a result. But in Russia today there is no intelligible socio-economic policy. We do not have socialism for sure. Capitalism, but some kind of wild, "sovereign". All live for today, at random. Here is a natural result for you. Here you have the aerofinishers, here you have the docks. Here everything is "at random", and I called this phenomenon "to be in time" back in 2005. http://way60.narod.ru

[ver_]

... well, yes, of course, then in 53 they went away and bought them - and * Beria * started Beria, finished Khrushchev ... Beria, Stalin and Kaganovich * precipitated * ..

[Hagalaz]

Your statement “as they pay, so they work” is also not true. I would venture to express myself categorically, not true from the word at all. Involuntarily / consciously (I do not know) You claim that people have no conscience, they are self-seekers and saboteurs.
The thing is different. Young people do not linger in enterprises, and the elderly are becoming fewer. The result is a drop in skills and discipline.

Quote: Observer2014

Same lech (Alexey )

rather, good personnel are needed here ... responsible personnel and that each has its own seal (sign) of quality in the work by which one can judge him.

Your offer again rests on the salary. How they pay. So they work. A vicious circle is obtained. At such moments And Stalin is not enough with L.P. Beria. And from the very top. Prime from the Kremlin beginning. Eeeeeh

[mmaxx]

My experience. I think that everyone who says: how much they pay, so much work, I need to drive for any reason. These people will never work well for any money. Conscientious people work well for any money. So people are arranged. This, of course, is no reason to pay bona fide little.
But the quality of work of each individual person depends only on himself.

[mvg]

Not in ZP business. even if you pay the conditional 100k, after 2-3 months you will get used to them, and you will work as well as for 20k. Stopudoff! And it’s impossible to fire everyone in a row, you’ll be left completely without personnel ... And experts understand this very well.
PS: Only real healthy competition in personnel and salary will save the conditional "Kuzya"

[Ross_ulair]

In addition to competition in personnel and the qualifications of these same personnel, they - the personnel - must have a clear understanding of responsibility. And the understanding that they will not let go on the brakes should something happen. And the heads will fly not only ordinary hard workers. Debriefing should be right up to the top.
According to the mind, here the level is not ministerial of course (although how to look at it - the only dock is that), but at the level of the leadership of the state enterprise

[mvg]

clear understanding of responsibility

Something I think that experienced personnel themselves understand what can lead to ... Much better than the commission that will come to investigate a conditional emergency.
It is possible to write down responsibility at the level of contracts .. up to the "top", but then it is necessary to interest all parties .. Only this is red tape, additional financial costs, etc. (few people will go to a position where responsibility is a criminal offense, except for a stick, a carrot is also needed).
PS: And to the ordinary electrician, Vasya Petrov, a maximum reprimand and a fine in the form of deduction of premium ..

[New Year day]

Quote: mvg

even if you pay the conditional 100k, in 2-3 months you will get used to them, and you will work as well as for 20k

This is if you have no other perspective and other working conditions. And if there is a staff turnover, then you can forget about the quality of work

[mvg]

there is no other perspective and other working conditions

Sorry, I didn’t get it (((If the staff turnover is decent for the region, then the matter is different ... I went through this.
It is necessary to highlight key figures, and make point selection. In 2-3 years there will be a result. This also happened, and more than once.

[atalef]

Quote: mvg

Not in ZP business. even if you pay conditional 100k, after 2-3 of the month you will get used to them, and you will work in the same way as for 20k. Stopudoff!

I do not think that you are right.

[mvg]

I do not think that you are right

Russian people get used to the good quickly ... and soon they think that it should be so ...

Yes, and for 100 Whatever they hit, it must be a specialist (even if it is Varyag, a vivid example is a bunch of Serbs at the construction of SP2), and the specialist will have several options .. There’s something else to entice: whether it’s an interesting job , a new challenge, perspective, an interesting team ... Only for the RFP will not go to work, if there is an alternative ..
Now, when there is nothing at all, then you will go to 25 .. and you will be glad. They also use this when inviting Varangians from regions (ravshans, jamshuds), where work is very bad.
PS: Somehow thoughts are confusedly expressed ...

[NordUral]

The same Lech! I agree with you. And from the bottom to the point at the top of the pyramid of power. And even better - to return the state of social justice, where work and ability determine everything. Where the strong and skillful can reach the heights, and the weak is protected from bestial vegetation.

[prapor55]

Yes, personnel are needed, but the question arises: who will prepare these personnel? The first victims of the exam are already beating in blood at a casting of leaders. Prof. system formation destroyed here and space ships fall and docks drown.

[New Year day]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Our deputies from the State Duma pay large salaries

Well, you compared these parasites with hard workers.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Vard

When during work people stop thinking where to get the money, that would make it to the salary ... Pay normally and everything will work out ...

Normal salaries will appear after the appearance in the country of a normal tax system. That is never.

[Bull Terrier]

Which is normal?

[sergo1914]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Which is normal?

In short - eliminating black and gray salary schemes.

[uskrabut]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Which is normal?

We must read Marx and Lenin, they have very well justified the cost of labor. In plain language, it looks something like this: they pay us not to die - we don’t even die; will pay to work - we will work! And if academically, then salaries at 40 hour week should be enough for themselves and a family of 3-4 people, plus put aside for unforeseen expenses and small savings. THIS IS NORMAL! The rest is from the evil one!

[freddyk]

Quote: uskrabut

And if academically, then salaries at 40 hour week should be enough for themselves and a family of 3-4 people, plus put aside for unforeseen expenses and small savings. THIS IS NORMAL! The rest is from the evil one!

Then, in your opinion, even under the Soviets they did not pay "normally", however, the result was, we still use it. No, it's probably not about money. I think a person should feel their importance for the country, understand that it needs you. Then the return will be. And if I see that my state does not care about me, then ... as it were, that's what we have.

[uskrabut]

with advice, a person could not be left without work, without housing, hungry, without medical care, without education as a secondary specialist, at least, without vacation and sick leave ...... and now please get all these things

[freddyk]

Quote: uskrabut

with advice, a person could not remain without work, without housing, hungry, without medical care, without the formation of a secondary specialist, at least, without leave and sick leave ...

So I talked about this. The state understood the importance of each for the country

[mmaxx]

So many responded to their state with black ingratitude.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Vard

Pay normally and everything will work out ...

I completely agree. There will be decent salaries - there will be attractiveness of jobs. It will be possible for the employer to flout with staff. And people will hold on to their workplace.

[atalef]

Quote: Polite Elk

I completely agree. There will be decent salaries - there will be attractiveness of jobs.

in this case, of course, the employer's absolutely logical position - why should I give * a decent * (generally the concept is rather vague) salary to a person who has not started working for me and has not shown at all what he is?

[tihonmarine]

It is correct, but "if the cake-maker begins to sharpen the boots, and the shoemaker starts to grind the oven pies" there will be little sense.

[UMA-UMA]

Nothing like this. In most cases, the quality of personnel in Russia i.e. his professional competencies and motivation to work are among the lowest in developed countries. And s / n has nothing to do with it - at least how much you pay, but no more than 10% will work efficiently. I will say more - everyone is very fond of talking about how hard and difficult it is to live, but nobody wants to work with desire. For example, I constantly complain that 70% of candidates for vacancies with a good salary level simply do not come for an interview, even without notifying. Actually, such a catastrophic level of personnel quality also eats up all life systems, including and industrial safety - if a person is so irresponsible that he wouldn’t appear for an interview, why should he be branched off in compliance with industrial safety rules? All this is sad.

[atalef]

Quote: UMA-UMA

In most cases, the quality of personnel in Russia i.e. his professional competencies and motivation to work are among the lowest in developed countries

unfortunately you are right about this, I regularly come to my friends in St. Petersburg and being at their enterprises (of course, they, like me, are power engineers), he noted.
Qualifications are extremely low.
The level of labor and technological discipline - well, it just doesn’t fit into any framework.
But as they say - there are no others and there is no place to take.
Young people do not go to electricians.

[mvg]

The power engineer is one of the highest paid positions in the enterprise. After the director, chief accountant and chief engineer (who is often part-time and energy)

[atalef]

Quote: mvg

and the chief engineer (who often part-time and energy)

I have never seen such a combination of posts

[minus]

In Russia, this is the norm. At our former place of work, the chief engineer in combination was the chief power engineer. As well as the technical director, although I do not understand the significance of such a position. He quit, the refrigerator died in an accident, the technician who set up the process equipment was fired earlier ..... I had to combine all these positions for a year and a half .... This is in addition to the Electrician, electrician, instrumentation and automation technician ..... I coped with difficulty. I and the plumber in my assistants .... In a small sausage factory. Two 10 kV lines, vacuum circuit breakers, a pair of 10 / 0.4 kV transformers, several dozen machines for maintenance and repair. Reconstruction and adjustment of each several times a day. I and the plumber did everything! Unless, in addition to switching over 10 kV .... We also had low labor productivity ???? Yes, I had an increase in salary of 5000, and a plumber in 2500. The main increase for processing, an average of 11 hours a day! And one-time payment! I sent such an employer. And such an approach is universal. They don’t want to pay a decent salary, but they demand to work for five. Yes, there were months when the level of processing and additional work was less, but received more. Conversely, with a full load and work on the weekend, I received less. And after that you want workers to have a desire to work ????

[atalef]

Quote: Minus

In a small sausage factory

Well, you would give an example shop

Quote: Minus

Two lines to 10 Kv, vacuum circuit breakers, a pair of 10 / 0.4kV transformers, several dozen machines for maintenance and repair

Is that all?
I have on one (of 52) substations (as an example) 64 cells of output lines in 24 kV, 4 power lines in 45 mVA, 4 lines in 161 kV.
And this is not the largest substation at all.
in total there are more than 200trans in 45MVA, 116 in 30 MVA, 24 in 98 MVA with voltages from 161 to 400KV, more than 1300 output cells in 24 КV + all email in total. protection, alarm and fire extinguishing systems, redundant power supplies, all this is scattered throughout the north of Israel and all this serves 40 people.

Quote: Minus

11 average hourly working day

normal business day in Israel

Quote: Minus

Conversely, with a full load and work on the weekend, I received less.

as our chief power engineer said (even when I was working in the union) - if a repair team sits and cuts into dominoes, she has something to pay a premium for.
Why? So everything works and all PPR are carried out as expected.

Quote: Minus

And after that you want workers to have a desire to work ????

I do not know the level of your salary, maybe, in my understanding, the problem is not the amount of work, but the adequate payment.

[tihonmarine]

But before this is not a sausage factory. Can you imagine if at least one outboard opening were not closed on Kuznetsov (this happens occasionally, then the dock stops diving and goes up) the dock would sink with the aircraft carrier, and there would be no need to lift either the dock or the aircraft carrier. Even now, it takes months and a lot of money to raise the dock. And the dock must be raised, because in Russia there are no more such. The culprit will be found, what kind of switchman, rather an electrician at the coastal substation and a docmeister, will be fired from his job. And the big bosses will be given an award "for competent actions in a difficult situation." But no one goes to jail for the edification of others.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: atalef

Young people do not go to electricians.

today it looks like young people generally go a little
I think in Israel in 5 years no one will work in industry. professionals are aging (most come from the USSR) and young people cannot be driven into a factory with a whip. the shop is hot and noisy.
the office is cool.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Vard

Pay normally and everything will work out ...

Well, yes, straightforward to you some drunk Uncle Vasya will immediately become more responsible for his work for an extra thousand rubles ...

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Narak-zempo

Quote: Vard

Pay normally and everything will work out ...

Well, yes, straightforward to you some drunk Uncle Vasya will immediately become more responsible for his work for an extra thousand rubles ...

An alcoholic should not occupy positions above the loader at all. And as for sn - now, as I think, I have a normal sn and I am ready to work beyond measure, to go on weekends, if I see that somewhere someone hasn’t finished something, then I’ll finish it myself, I am grateful to my employer . But some 4 years ago, I had a sn from 12 to 20 and I turned on a bolt with my bosses for that kind of money

[Gray brother]

Quote: Vard

When during work people stop thinking where to get the money, that would make it to the salary ... Pay normally and everything will work out ...

So what? Accidents at complex facilities will stop happening?
Do not tell me - it does not depend on the salary.

[tihonmarine]

If you pay him at least a million, he will remain an idiot.

[the lord]

Do not like the salary, get out on free bread. Specialists of this class in a civilian will not remain without work. But to substitute everyone, to risk the lives of people and ruin expensive property, the level of salary cannot be denied.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Vard

where to get the money to reach the salary ... Pay fine, and everything will work out ...

Maybe a working conscience is needed. Before the money! And you, measure everything in your own way ....

[Bull Terrier]

While people never work.

[K-612-O]

In the north, due to bad weather, many power lines were damaged, which resulted in this accident. And the food of such a colossus is almost impossible to reserve.

[Same lech]

How so? ...
Indeed, the elimination of an accident will cost more than the purchase of emergency generators in such a case ... have the dock designers really thought of such a case?

[Bull Terrier]

So when was it designed then?)

[Piramidon]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Dock designers really didn’t think such a case?

Yes, everything is there. That's just in what condition. Most likely ordinary pokhrenizm. Why spend money on servicing your own sources of electric energy, if there is food from the shore.

[politach-delivery]

Everything is thought out. There are 4 generators with a total capacity of 9400. Apparently the solarium was leaked.

[mmaxx]

And the personnel still have to prove the necessity of these "inversions" to managers. Apparently not proven. They decided that it was not necessary to spend money on all sorts of nonsense. Accountants rule and rule the money.

[kepmor]

K-612, what are you talking about ??? ...
In 80 the Swedes made for us "just a toy", not a dock ... he can easily feed himself with his generators ... in 89 and 91 he didck on his Albatross in PD-50 ... and I remember well that during the dock operation the diesel engine was threshed superbly ...
the question is about the technical readiness of diesel generators and the serviceability of the ballast tank filling and drainage system ...
but in fact it’s just a MISSION ... in peacetime to drown the largest floating dock in the world ... you still have to manage it ...
it’s interesting that this time they will mumble people with spiders on uniform and cockroaches in their heads ??? ...
or according to tradition - he drowned ...

[Bomb]

He is tired ....

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: K-612-O

When carrying out dock work by employees of the 82nd shipyard in the village of Roslyakovo there was a power outageAs a result, the tanks of the floating dock PD-50 were abnormally filled.

Quote: K-612-O

In the north, due to bad weather, many power lines were damaged, which resulted in this accident. And the food of such a colossus is almost impossible to reserve.

And in the north, winds always blew and there were always accidents on power lines. To create backup power sources, the construction of the FNPP is not enough in St. Petersburg, causing indignation of the townspeople, but in the Roslyakovo region. And lay at the same time cable lines. In some country house (in the residence) of the most worthless official there is a diesel engine for backup power, but here ...
You need to think about the Motherland, and then about yourself ...

[Consultant]

Quote: ROSS 42

in the north, winds always blew and there were always accidents on power lines

Only in Soviet times no one reported these accidents to you. And, even more so, they would not have reported an incident with a sunken floating dock. That’s the whole difference.

Quote: ROSS 42

It is necessary to think

It is absolutely necessary. There is also a good saying - "in hindsight, everyone is strong", try it on, it will suit you.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Consultant

Only in Soviet times no one reported these accidents to you.

And I didn't need to tell, I served there during the Soviet era. There was anything, but there was never such chaos that was going on in the 90s ... I saw how metal was removed from Rybachy, how garrisons were thrown to survive on rations ... I even saw when the humanitarian aid intended for the garrison was eaten by tall children ranks and exported for sale ... What are you telling me? Tell us how much fun it was for the officials that they came to investigate the reasons for the death of the Kursk nuclear submarine ...

[Consultant]

Quote: ROSS 42

such a chaos that was happening in the 90s there never was ...

What does the 90s have to do with it? We are talking about a specific accident, with fairly clear reasons and those responsible for it. And for some reason you brought "love for the Motherland" here ... out of habit, probably

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Consultant

Quote: ROSS 42

in the north, winds always blew and there were always accidents on power lines

Only in Soviet times no one reported these accidents to you. And, even more so, they would not have reported an incident with a sunken floating dock. That's the whole difference

It was also enough that there was the largest army in the world, the fleet was one of the largest, there was no nationalism, and apartments from work were given out for long service, there was regional aviation, and the cities were not one big advertisement, it was nice to walk around the city. If now everything will be as it was then, then I will not mind at all if they will not talk to me about accidents

[atalef]

Quote: ROSS 42

And in the north, winds always blew and there were always accidents on power lines. The construction of the FNPP is enough to create backup power sources

And why did you decide that this company normally consumes electricity in the 200МВТ area?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: atalef

And why did you decide that this company normally consumes electricity in the 200МВТ area?

Surely - the main power engineer of the enterprise ...

[atalef]

Quote: K-612-O

In the north, due to bad weather, many power lines were damaged, which resulted in this accident. And the food of such a colossus is almost impossible to reserve.

C'mon, absolutely everything is possible to reserve, and the more so the power of the drainage pumps.

[UMA-UMA]

On the main, responsible positions it is possible and necessary. Surely the reserve was, as always, inoperative.

[Finches]

Precisely, it is necessary to dig out Lawrence Palych ... The main thing is that people are alive - and that’s good!

[Sarmat Sanych]

People, you are boiling over to direct, "Kuznetsov" was towed to 35 shipyard, it was not injured, they will be finishing it in another dock for the time being, and this one will be raised. Anything happens at any time, and in Soviet times too. There were natural accidents on Kola just now, you can't be insured against them. Recently, as a result of a fairly mediocre hurricane in Florida, the Indos have dozens of dead, tens of thousands of injured, more than 20 military aircraft and helicopters are damaged (possibly destroyed), of which up to 17 are F-22 - and what, someone laments in America ? No, but meanwhile they lost 10% of the Raptor fleet.
And we will settle everything.

[Same lech]

People, you are boiling over to direct, "Kuznetsov" was towed to the 35th shipyard, it was not injured, they will be finishing it in another dock for the time being, and this one will be raised.

Thank God no one was hurt from the people ... however there really is something to make noise and without us they will sort it out and establish the further work of the dock.

[pru-pavel]

Nefiga yourself mediocre. The speed of hurricane "Michael" reached 66 m / s. In Russia, there are no such hurricanes at all. The strongest Russian hurricanes are twice as fast as "Michael"
Well, about the destroyed raptors, this is also a cartoon of life news. Well, however, this is a matter of religious studies, what to believe, here we will not argue.

[Sarmat Sanych]

What the hell is Mulka LifeNews? Even the National Interest wrote about this, including about the evacuation of damaged trash. This hurricane as a natural disaster is really weak compared to our eternal winters, 60% of the territory above the Arctic Circle and much more. In comparison with Russia in America, the climate is heaven on Earth, and meanwhile they all over the country fumbled about t -8C that year. By the way, last year's hurricane killed more than 2000 people in the United States in general (I’d better not talk about the wounded) and caused $ 400 billion in damage, so these cripples are rather poor at preventing and evacuating and minimizing the consequences.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

What the hell is Mulka LifeNews? Even the National Interest wrote about this.

] As if this all changes. You can write and

What the hell is the National Interest cartoon? Even Lifenews wrote about this

[Xscorpion]

Quote: pru-pavel

Nefiga yourself mediocre. The speed of hurricane "Michael" reached 66 m / s. In Russia, there are no such hurricanes at all. The strongest Russian hurricanes are twice as fast as "Michael"
Well, about the destroyed raptors, this is also a cartoon of life news. Well, however, this is a matter of religious studies, what to believe, here we will not argue.

Nevermind, it’s been said for a long time that more than a dozen Raptors were injured. They knew about the hurricane in advance, and all the planes that were on the move were transferred to another airbase. Only the planes that were not ready for departure, including 17 F-22, remained . The amount of damage and the ability to recover damaged aircraft is still unknown.

[Sharky]

People, you are boiling over to direct, "Kuznetsov" was towed to the 35th shipyard, it was not injured, they will be finishing it in another dock for the time being, and this one will be raised.

But I have doubts that Kuznetsov was not injured. As a sailor, I tell you that when the vessel is in a dry dock, work is being done with overboard fittings. For this, the ship is usually docked, since it is difficult to replace the outboard valve at the berth. So, work is underway to replace the outboard fittings, the kingstones are cleaned, the zinc protection in the hull is changing, the outboard cooling pipes are changing due to wear. The seals on the propeller shafts or the shafts (bushings) themselves change depending on wear. Replacement of propulsors (screws), etc. The vessel’s presence in the dock is calculated on this amount of work so as not to take away the precious time of using the dry dock from the following vessels in line. It is logical that in emergency situations, overboard fittings are not ready and open holes gap in the hull. The vessel is getting ready to leave the dock; all overboard fittings and places where work was carried out on the external hull are being checked. That is, all work should already be completed. And in this situation there are more questions than answers. It was lucky if the exit from the dock was planned the other day and all the work was completed, but if not, it flooded several compartments, they could shut the clink doors (usually the drive of the clink doors is hydraulic, it does not depend on electricity. There are special hydraulic batteries. And the power supply the vessel also comes from the shore while in the dock). That is, you can operate the doors either manually or with hydraulic accumulators. But, all the same, there is a high probability that some compartments were flooded, due to the unpreparedness of all work carried out on overboard fittings.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Sharky

But I have doubts that Kuznetsov was not injured.

The message said that during the descent into the water of the Takra there was flooding. Consequently, everything was in order with the lower waterline. Accidents happened during the Union, including in my dry dock, and in favorable weather conditions. Thank God that there are no victims and severe mechanical damage, and the rest is fixable. It’s impossible to foresee everything, but you need to try. For example, create a backup system power supply from the DES, which most likely was not provided for emergency situations ..

[Sharky]

The message said that during the descent into the water of the Takra there was flooding

In which message? Please provide a link to a trusted source. There is no such information in this news on this site.

[goblin xnumx]

do you believe what they will tell you from the shit box? - the crane fell on the deck and nothing happened? or like in a cartoon - "yes it must be small, cardboard" :) - if the dock was going to fill - what kind of people were there in the water? did they forget there? - although ....- do it like a sarmatian- what happened- the main thing is that something has fallen for the amerikosov or for the neighbors in ukraine everything is bad better ...) amers have a dozen planes out of several hundred damaged;) - but we only have one dock drowned - nothing

[Titsen]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

hell when does it all stop.

"Never! What did you mean?"

From the classics of Soviet cinema ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Titsen

"Never! What did you mean?"

From the classics of Soviet cinema ...

In the classics of Soviet cinema:
"Who is the witness? Me, what happened?"

[Vitas]

Under the Queen, when you said you made a marriage, you were given a prize for honesty. Now admit that you will be put in jail or something else. So this happens.

[Normal ok]

The human factor .. In Odessa in 2012, there was a case when, with a large surge of water, a floating dock was torn off the anchors. The captain of "Granita" simply "pulled" the situation:

[Piramidon]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

see kingstones someone accidentally opened ...

A read is not fate?

... there was a power outage ...

[Same lech]

A read is not fate?

I read ... lost electricity drowned flooding ... how so

[Piramidon]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

how so

The drain pumps got up.

[New Year day]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

hell when does it all stop

I do not want. but asks - never

[tihonmarine]

I agree 100 percent, there is a locking and outboard system at the docks, which is shut off if necessary - this time, the docks have their own diesel generators, normal dockmasters constantly start them when launching and lifting the ship, but here the staff of minders and mechanics was probably reduced and in Russian, "maybe it will carry it through", they decided to limit themselves to shore power, and now they did not. Such cases in the post-Soviet period took place at Svetlovsky Shipyard in 2000 and at Riga Shipyard in Latvia. All such accidents are only from bungling. During my marine life I have docked at least 50 times, but this has never happened.

[Observer2014]

Mm yeah. What to say then? Like in that joke about two iron balls. One lost. The second broke. One aircraft carrier. And he almost ruined.

[Dezinto]

Here are the results. Nowadays, "effective managers" are everywhere.

And how much do those workers get paid? Which rockets were assembled, and which worked in the dock today? 30 tons for happiness, I suppose?

I didn’t want to grumble, but I directly dropped my mood in the morning. How long to? How can one squint in such important large-scale affairs?

[Bull Terrier]

The situation is abnormal. Power outage. Accident for example. What does the managers have to blame again? This is a technical issue.

[Dezinto]

Accident for example.

Well, it’s clear that everything can be of course. But when all this is repeated from time to time, then even somehow annoying and suspicious. The same rocket was explained as an accident. how many accidents?
If I stumble two times in a row on the street in the same messe, then perhaps for the third time I will go on the other side of the road ......

[Bull Terrier]

And rightly so. I don’t argue. But the accident was, is and will be. Like floods and other accidents. You cannot run away from this. You can only minimize it.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Bull Terrier

And rightly so. I don’t argue. But the accident was, is and will be. Like floods and other accidents. You cannot run away from this. You can only minimize it.

I have never heard something about the tragedy when someone choked on black or red caviar ... So that while eating, the cooked lobster chopped off the finger of the eater ... I haven’t seen cigarette smoke hanging from rings ...

"Each accident has a name, surname and position"

And all these: it happens, it happens, they did not foresee, did not take into account, could not provide, - speak only
ABOUT LOW PROFESSIONALISM OF PERSONNEL ...

[Same lech]

The situation is abnormal. Power outage.

In particularly important facilities, in such cases, backup power is used with ATS and backup generators.

[tech3030]

Have you dropped your mood? And how do you like this: "They asked to raise the price of gasoline by five rubles." How to explain this without a mat?

[K-612-O]

Remind who asked and what they answered. There will be oil workers, especially private ones, of which there are more of us than state-owned companies and they are working in the regions.

[tech3030]

I would be glad, but something tells me that it will be quite a turn.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: tech3030

Have you dropped your mood? And how do you like this: "They asked to raise the price of gasoline by five rubles." How to explain this without a mat?

And what do you think, fuel and kerosene for the equipment of the Armed Forces, Air Force and Navy of the Russian Federation comes at state prices, or some effective ghoul "drives" food, like Zolotov, for purchase? I met with such a paradox when the commercial director of an enterprise bought gasoline for refueling at the enterprise at a higher price than it was sold at gas stations in the city ... Not so long ago, military units were disconnected from power supply for non-payment, but now how? With an average cost of electricity of 50 kopecks / kW, is it sold in MO for how much?
And what is it called when the state does not provide adequate supply of aircraft, which depends on the mood and competence of the private owner?

[Consultant]

Quote: ROSS 42

With an average cost of electricity of 50 kopecks / kW, is it sold in MO for how much?

I love the numbers ...

You probably meant 50 kopecks / kW * h? Could you share the source of this tsiferka? And at the same time, please specify - is this the cost at a power plant (and by the way, which one? Hydroelectric power plants, thermal power plants, nuclear power plants - there are different costs everywhere), or is it "delivered to your door"?

Thank you.

[goblin xnumx]

and discounts on the gas map were reduced by 2 times :)

[doctor]

This is Russia where there are no responsible, and not the USSR where, to put it mildly, they could .........................

[ANCIENT]

the more mediocrity in power, the more often accidents and catastrophes, because mediocrity can neither work itself, nor organize work, it stupidly imitates activities ..

[Bull Terrier]

The authorities do not manage the factories. You are ready to blame her for all your hatred.

[Same lech]

The authorities do not manage the factories.

That's right ... the government (prosecutor's office) will initiate a criminal case on the fact of negligence or another similar article and will search for those responsible ... that's all its significance in this matter ... specialists of the corresponding profile and level will deal with the technical details.

[Bull Terrier]

The article on the fact that the power lines fell bad weather ?! I think they won’t even open the case.

[Same lech]

An article on the fact that power lines were knocked down by bad weather?

A criminal case was opened in the Kuban on officials after natural flooding ... how is the situation here different from the Kuban.

[Bull Terrier]

Death of people. This is a criminal case anyway.

[Deck]

The authorities do not manage the factories.

What does she do? Your salaries? Rollbacks? Rewarding your beloved for services to the fatherland? Employment of children? Really - not to factories.

The situation is abnormal. Power outage. Accident for example. What does the managers have to blame again?

Have you ever heard about consumers of the 1st category of reliability of power supply? About diesel generators on the floating dock itself? Crash? Hurricane? Tsunami? This is in my country house power outages, two drunken electricians in the area and no economic security and counterintelligence departments.

[Bull Terrier]

The authorities are engaged in government, and not factories in its territory. Whatever they do, it has nothing to do with the plant. As for the rest, I have no idea. If they could do it and didn’t do it, then it’s for the plant management. Although I personally think that an emergency gang for them to do this they need to build a new CHP there. IMHO.

[Dude]

Power is in charge of government, not factories in its territory

That is, in your opinion, the state is separate, and everything that is in the state (factories, factories, banks, institutes and schools, kindergartens and hospitals, sewer collectors and power lines, people, people) - separately?
Isn't that why we live so "fun"?

[Same lech]

This is in my country house power outages, two drunken electricians in the area and no economic security and counterintelligence departments.

And I have one sober electrician ... one hell anyway interruptions.

[Consultant]

Quote: The same Lech

It’s in my country house there are power outages, two drunk electricians to the district and no departments of economic security and counterintelligence.

And I have one sober electrician...one damn all the same interruptions.

Conclusion: two drunk electricians are equal to one sober

Love, you know, numbers

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Deck

Have you ever heard about consumers of the 1st category of reliability of power supply? About diesel generators on the floating dock itself? Crash? Hurricane? Tsunami? This is in my country house power outages, two drunken electricians in the area and no economic security and counterintelligence departments.

Remember Fukushima and stop scolding our officials for gagging. Still, a recessed dock is a trifle compared to a nuclear accident.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Bull Terrier

The authorities do not manage the factories.

And what does she do. Name the break so everyone screams "Bravo!" The power in the country is designed to ensure that the country develops spiritually and economically, and not shudder in impotent indignation at the snot and bubbles that this power gives out ...

[Bull Terrier]

Do we discuss her successes? Did I miss something? I’m somehow used to talking on the topic. This is more important to me personally, and not the accusation of power in all troubles.

[Deck]

I’m somehow used to talking on the topic.

Let's get on the topic. Do not tell me: why, when the power was cut off, the dock began to sink? Are you familiar with the structure of this building? The question naturally arises: what does the state have to do with the state 82 plant? Who finances this plant, who gives it orders, who appoints managers? Probably the CIA or Mossad? I am guessing

[Deck]

who appoints the leaders?

Oh, wrong. Not the CIA and MOSSAD, but Rosneft, commanded by I.I.Sechin with a salary of 2,3 million rubles per day

[Consultant]

Quote: ROSS 42

rather than shuddering in impotent indignation at the snot and bubbles that this power gives out ...

Don't you think that here and now it is you who issue the bubbles?

[rotmistr60]

The article states that due to a power outage, but not immediately "salary specialists" appeared and away we go ...

[Topgun]

If the dock is drowned without external power, then its power did NOT work!
why? concrete people are responsible for this, the accident speaks about the quality of these people, in order to improve the quality of people in positions, competition is needed, and competition requires salaries.
Why do you have to write obvious things to people in marshall stars?

[rotmistr60]

Why do you have to write obvious things to people in marshall stars?

You are not "stars" who annoy you for some reason, but explain to yourself why when an emergency occurred, people were injured, the ship was damaged (see article above), did you start a song about salary?

[Kerensky]

The information is strange. Doc sank so fast? This colossus ?! Cranes fall, workers in the water, instantly pull out Kuzya from there (what and how?) ....

[icant007]

I think Kuzya pulled himself out of there) Doc went under the water, and the aircraft carrier stayed upstairs and joyfully rocked on the water. Mooring had enough mind to chop off, otherwise I would have gone for the dock.
The opinion of an amateur, in the order of a malicious joke.

[Olezhek]

Cranes fall, workers in the water, instantly pull out Kuzyu from there (what and how?)

Information is classified...

[Tashkent citizen]

The planet Pluk galaxy Kin-Dza-Dza.
Nothing new.

[Angelo Provolone]

In Nakhodka, the dock sank. There, workers were not paid salaries. They left the dock. There was a power outage and the pumps shut off.
The thing is different. A normal dock should not sink, much less abruptly when the pumps are turned off. In Nakhodka there he was simply full of holes. Water whipped the pontoons, and the pumps constantly pumped out the water until the electricity was cut off.
Korotse, if the PD-50 is in the same condition as in the find, then things are bad. Quite bad

[askort154]

Vard .... Pay normally and everything will work out ...

Weak argument. Footballers made millionaires, so what?

[Angelo Provolone]

You have a weak argument.
After many years, a weak generation of football players has grown. And these two were simply knocked out of the total mass of ficals. Well, they were given a normal salary. Not because they deserved it, just against the background of other things, they stood out for the better. Guys of fame could not stand it. Personally for me, so they are vile. But they don’t argue about tastes.
The moral is simple. One must pay a salary not only large, but also on time. And do not grab onto one place, from horror and despair.
People should be paid systematically so that there is a competition for a vacant place and a queue for this place. Generations worthy people are grown

[Rusj]

These two as you say footballer wretched! For two, 6 times became the best players in Russia. Nonsense is not a market. You are also disgusting to someone. Or maybe you say that you did not fight and did not beat anyone?

[goblin xnumx]

this only proves how low the level of football and football players, both these and those whom they are "better" ...

[Bumblebee_3]

askort154 (Alexander)
I didn’t see something in the comments that workers should be paid like officials in “GOS. DURA” or football players. There was one remark - pay normally. Maybe you have another proposal: at the entrance of the plant (enterprise), put the cash register and all incoming pay a hundred at the entrance? Well, for example, as an entrance ticket to a theater, circus.

[Conductor]

The result of a failed policy in everything. They saved on rupee, raked a thousand.

[stalki]

There really was no sadness. Explain to someone how the dock may sink from a power outage, I do not know the system. A layman in this. How does such a community work? And for how long in the calculations can I fill out its volume? And what are these tanks?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

I'd like to say everything that I think about this, but censorship does not work, and I already have one warning from the VO administration

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I'd like to say everything that I think about this, but censorship does not work,

Andrei Do not worry, take care of your nerves. Moreover, our elite has children, among them there are already specialists in ship repairing and shipbuilding.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

warning from the administration of VO I already have

There are four, therefore I will also keep silent, or try as correctly as possible. With uv.

[ochakow703]

I also want to say ... but I have three ... But really, really want !!!

[gunnerminer]

In the Catherine’s harbor, the float of the Kola flotilla drowned in the winter of 1993. They still haven’t got it. The one who does nothing is mistaken. People are alive.

[kunstkammer]

Citizens! Gentlemen are good!
Why did you start the "all-in-one" song again? It was not the "Admiral Kuznetsov" itself that sank? While...
After all, how much dough can be sawn up, the shrinkage there is utruska. There is no silver lining.
I swear to everyone that the country is getting better and better .. than always! Salaries, by the way, are growing at a staggering rate. And you are all unhappy ... not good, sir!
Again, even if everything sinks with us ... all the rockets explode ... and dig holes everywhere ... Yes, if you take a short, the whole population will die - the Government and our elite will still love the Motherland!
Do not hesitate, dear ...

[stalki]

Ugh on you once.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Angelo Provolone

Water whip pontoons

It is water that rushes into Russia ... and nobody needs anything.
Soon our guarantor will come out to his partners and say: But Russia is no more ... She drowned.

[konstantin68]

How did it happen? Does the floating dock sink due to blackouts? Is there really no defense mechanism? Now near each computer UPS stands. Or are they just trying to attribute the usual slovenliness and negligence to contingency reasons? You read this, and sadness takes it, honestly.

[Olezhek]

The incident occurred at 82-m ship repair plant in the village Roslyakovo Murmansk region. At the dock two tower cranes fell, one of them on the deck of the only Russian aircraft carrier.

Emergency services come to the place of emergency, eyewitnesses in social networks tell about the multitude of ambulances and police approaching the entrance of the plant. The military and the Emergencies Ministry began a rescue operation.

The representative of the plant added that "Admiral Kuznetsov" was not injured, it is towed to a regular berth to continue scheduled repairs.

[afrikanez]

Quote: Vard

When during work people stop thinking where to get the money, that would make it to the salary ... Pay normally and everything will work out ...

Our ministers do not get sickly, but you’ll get them to work. So. that it’s not about salaries!

[Bumblebee_3]

afrikanez (KONGO) I disagree with you. Salary is of great importance, especially worthy. I think I don’t need to tell you how much time and nerves it costs to "grow" a 6th grade turner or miller. When the "boys" came to our shop after the vocational school, none of them could grind a 3-lead worm (this is for example). And a good thermist, who determines the grade of steel by spark, is also rare. And now, let's transfer them to a "beggarly" salary. What will be the result? Can you advise them to "go into business", as one well-known character suggested?

[mmaxx]

Even a beggarly salary, a good specialist will work well. But then he will leave. But the new one will not come to a small salary. And the young one will not come to the little one if she knows that there will be no further above.

[Sailor]

The lousy news in the morning, of course ...
There is a lot of mess, it is stupid to argue: carelessness with theft, the qualifications of people, the state of mat. parts due to the general devastation in the industry and the same theft, everything is so ... But in fairness, not only because we have accidents and emergencies in the world. Now at least there is some kind of development tendency, or something)) They are building a "Zvezda", the existing shipyards are being updated and expanded, at the very least they are trying to take orders ... Let's break through, guys! Have a nice day, everyone

[askort154]

Bumblebee_3
I didn’t see something in the comments that workers should be paid like officials in “GOS. DURA” or football players. There was one remark - pay normally. Maybe you have another proposal: at the entrance of the plant (enterprise), put the cash register and all incoming pay a hundred at the entrance? Well, for example, as an entrance ticket to a theater, circus.[i] [/ i]

My opinion is, first of all, not "payment", but upbringing. As it was at the dawn of the USSR.
Young people went to the "Komsomol construction sites, not for a" dollar ", but at the call of their young energy. In WWII they worked for days, slept in workshops - not for dollars. Previously, we had no idea how much a" dollar "cost, now from morning until evenings are driven into how it “grows” or “falls.” If the goal of a society is “free profit,” then such a society has no future. Yes, you have to pay for labor, but justly. We now have an absolute bias, “white collars” producing nothing, they receive many times more,
than people at the machine. And there is no strategic state ideology. Now the young man at the bench, pay as a "football player", it is not a fact that he will be a responsible and classy specialist. During the 90s, we not only destroyed the country, but also lost two generations of young people.

[ohka]

Quote: Bull Terrier

The authorities are engaged in government, and not factories in its territory.

The authorities should create a system, including to ensure the efficient operation of plants and not just to redistribute gas and oil revenues

[Romanenko]

What is there to worry, but nonsense, you think, well, some kind of floating dock drowned there ... Well, a couple of cranes thumped at the same time, and this is not the case with us, and nobody bears any responsibility for anything, because there are couples and matchmakers around .
And they will punish, as always, switchmen.
The bureaucrats who admitted all this in the end will be presented with awards for their courage "in the fire" and the lifting of the dock, which was drowned due to their negligence.

[Corn]

Horseradish with him with a dock and cranes, there still hard workers suffered and disappeared (most likely died) ...

[Rusj]

What are you writing about, what salary, what money, what does it have to do with it !? Where are you all creeping out for every bad ah!? All crawlers are liberoid whiners. Flooding in the Krasnodar Territory Putin is to blame for the light due to heavy winds and not the weather turned off again Putin is to blame. And Italy is now flooded even worse than the Krasnodar Territory and the death toll is many times greater and the damage is also Putin's fault or the Boeing crashed, Putin is also to blame, or they don’t pay wages there, and so on!
Anything that happens is work, and somewhere there are flaws and just the weather, but it happens when work is in progress. During work on the Kuzi descent, a squally wind started icing up the electric wires, as a result, the lights went out for an hour and the descent had already begun. Therefore, the pumps did not work and the dock began to sink and then broke.
How did you get the liberoid whiners on each resource and site. You have that Putin GOD is responsible for everything or to be guilty of everything.

[atalef]

Quote: Rusj

Therefore, the pumps did not work and the dock began to sink and then broke.

Ie broke?
You want to say that they ruined the largest dry dock in Russia?

[Rusj]

yes! mounts that connect the tanks. but they write that they will raise what 27 from the 20 tanks. And the rest is enough for lifting.

[atalef]

Quote: Rusj

yes! mounts that connect the tanks. but they write that they will raise what 27 from the 20 tanks. And the rest is enough for lifting.

the dock is broken? To be restored?
as I understand it, the PKD is, in plain language, a cargo platform, with its feather and violation of the structural integrity, it simply cannot perform (in the future) its functions, and even if it is lifted.
maybe there’s nowhere to repair such a colossus.
In this case, it must be brought into a dry dock itself, but where do you get it? It is the largest of all existing.
Maybe I'm wrong, correct someone in the subject.

[Rusj]

I read that the locals themselves write so Kuzya and he wasn’t injured. Well, Doc didn’t even begin to sink the workers until the last they fought for his vitality. And most likely, in the end, it was consciously started to drown him so that Kuzya would not suffer.

[loginovich]

20 yachts of Russian billionaires outnumber the navy
https://topwar.ru/148420-20-jaht-rossijskih-milliarderov-prevoshodjat-po-stoimosti-voenno-morskoj-flot.html Вы считаете ,что за это он не несет ни какой ответственности?

[mvd ru]

I looked at the photo and, after all, it has already flown for 23 years like I have been "walking" along this dock, and in the 35th plant it was still more interesting, they even let go of the ridge 2 times, eh ...

[BAI]

It's good that Kuzya was afloat. If he sank instead of with a dock, it would be a song.

[goblin xnumx]

what good? - will repeat the fate of "lazarev" - only an excuse is now iron-dock no repair is impossible - and you can not talk about money :)

[loginovich]

Kuzyu is sorry. As I understand it, this is the only dock that Kuzya can go into. There is no dock and there is no repair of the kuz. There will be no one to skip the sky.

[donavi49]

Upon the fact of the pop charts.

1) Kuzya caught one crane deck.

2) The dock lay aboard - it is not designed for such loads. Plus, the whole infrastructure fell down (cranes and stuff). There is a non-zero probability - that the dock cannot be reanimated (due to the fact that it lay on its side), or the guaranteed long-term repair and restoration of everything that fell off.

If the dock does not come up, then there will be problems not only with Kuzey, but also with Petya / Ustinich, and the other BNKs that served there, because he created the necessary balance - without it, BNKs will stand at the wall for months, in line for dock work. For the Giants, it will be very bad.

[tlauicol]

If they don’t raise it now, then it will stand idle before spring. Winter is coming, ice.

[Chicha squad]

Near Cusie, a Cadillac stands. the zrushniki came to arrange a sabotage. (joke)

[Narak-zempo]

The name of the village is unlucky. After Kerch all sorts of associations causes. It should be renamed from sin - maybe garbage will stop happening.

[solovald]

Sadly ... failures continue to haunt. Again, someone "put the sensor upside down"?

[loki565]

Or deviation

[Semen1972]

Americans drilled a hole !!!!

[loki565]

They paid a traitor and he opened Kingstone, and even a power outage, a coincidence ...

[Moonsund]

It just takes anger. Anger and impotence. Is it really not clear that the problem is systemic? Vocational education has been destroyed, so there are no specialists, but why is it needed? After all, with such salaries, nobody wants to go there to work. It’s better to trade cell phone cases or underpants, not dusty and more money. And in the repair rooms and docks you need to work physically and mentally, but there are no conditions. Doku under 40 years old. Yes, they don’t pay money. In the manual, as elsewhere with us, are selected not on a professional basis, but on the principle of loyalty and acquaintances. Lack of control, carelessness, irresponsibility. Sad ...

[gunnerminer]

Specialists in the SRZ-82 lack of staff since 1988.

[Neutron Retarded]

Quote: atalef

in general, the flooding of kingstones is carried out by simply opening the lyuklev (if you can call them that

You can’t say anything like that. Kingston is DZA bottom-and-outboard equipment located below the waterline.
It cannot be flooded. He is always under water.
Your phrase should sound like this. "... the flooding of the ballast tanks of the dock is done by simply opening the kingstons ... But this is also wrong. There is nothing simple there. The dock operation is a very complicated undertaking. It includes a set of measures both on the ship and on the dock.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Narak-zempo

recessed dock is a trifle compared to a nuclear accident

I also always rejoice ... if only there was no war ... and there, burn everything with a blue flame! No pity!
(joke .. black)

[kunstkammer]

Quote: loginovich

20 yachts of Russian billionaires outnumber the navy
Do you think that for this he does not bear any responsibility?

Looks like Doc also read this article ... and could not bear the injustice!

[bogart047]

again the human factor, again the mechanics need to set their brains and hands. Better in Siberia, the forest fell.

[ochakow703]

And I think that all these "incidents" are pure sabotage! And there is no need to look for switchmen. This is all the absence in the country of ideology, elementary order, responsibility of the main leaders, and not "Vanyukha with a swing." Beggarly salaries of working people, low work culture (and where does it come from, because there are less and less educated and trained people in the USSR), a huge gap in income between classes. And these are just flowers.

[gunnerminer]

It is easiest to blame for sabotage. The size of the salary does not affect the quality of performance of duties.

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

Not so how ?! Can it happen by chance? The only floating dock of this size and the only aircraft carrier? And they will put an electrician? This is not even the level of director of an enterprise. At least the minister must answer for this!

[pru-pavel]

And who is the maximum?
Is Ilon Musk really?

[doctor]

pancake. Russia has so many aircraft carriers that Kuzyu nearly lost. And where is the Supreme with indicative executions for sabotage?

[gromoboj]

Old specialists will end soon. But there are no young ones. Some dozens of hands without brains .. And who with brains and hands tossed over the hill, not wanting to collect rockets for 30 ty per month.
"A rocket flew, fell into a swamp, what a salary, such a job."

[kig]

In fact, in order to competently discuss the reasons for the drowning of the dock, you need to at least approximately know how the floating dock is arranged. This is the first. Secondly, so far we simply do not have enough information. For example, it is desirable to know which class the specified dock belonged to: autonomous or non-autonomous. Autonomous docks should have their own power station, for non-autonomous docks only shore power is allowed. Further, it is desirable to know how and with what control the valves of the ballast system of the dock were controlled. There is a basic rule: loss of power supply (or any other source, such as pressure in the hydraulic system) should not lead to a change in the position of the actuator. That is, the open valve should remain open, and the closed valve should be closed. In addition, the Rules of the Register of the Russian Federation recommend equipping the reinforcement of ballast systems of floating docks with devices that close this reinforcement when the power is cut off (moreover, nothing is said about the type / type of this energy). This dock, however, was built in prehistoric times, then there could be slightly different rules.

But in general, most of the local comments are even reluctant to read. The person is absolutely not versed in the commented question, but there ...