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US offers Ukraine to strengthen the frigates Oliver Hazard Perry

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The US military attache in Ukraine handed over a letter, which was reportedly signed by representatives of the US Navy Command. The letter is addressed to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak, and in this letter, according to the press of Ukraine, contains a proposal to "increase the defense capability of the Ukrainian naval forces in the Black and Azov Seas".


US offers Ukraine to strengthen the frigates Oliver Hazard Perry


The materials of the Ukrainian media say that in Washington they allegedly offer Kiev, in the framework of military-technical assistance from the United States, to acquire American warships. We are talking about frigates type Oliver hazard perry... This type of frigate was built in the United States between 1975 and 2004. At the same time, the States were actively exporting these warships. Today they consist of fleets such countries of the world (in addition to the USA itself) as Egypt, Turkey, Poland, Taiwan, Spain, etc.

At the same time, the United States is going to "transfer" to Ukraine the most outdated modifications of these frigates, which have not undergone modernization.

The ships have missile weapons - Harpoon missiles, mine-torpedo weapons - Mark 32 ASW. The crew of the frigate - 219 people.

The offer itself is clearly related to the sale. Apparently, the United States made the appropriate conclusions from how Poroshenko cheerfully informed his compatriots about the acquisition of decommissioned coast guard boats (“Island” class). Now, apparently, they decided that on floating trash and on Poroshenko’s desire for self-praise you can earn more.
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  1. Cartalon
    Cartalon 18 October 2018 17: 07
    +28
    Do you want to ruin the country, give her a battleship))
    1. 210ox
      210ox 18 October 2018 17: 13
      +6
      Once you have yours, then you will have to SWIM on a stranger ..
      1. Arh
        Arh 18 October 2018 17: 20
        +10
        Fuck how they breed Ukraine !!!
        1. krot
          krot 18 October 2018 17: 33
          +9
          Exactly, wiring ..) And then the Sumerians will have to upgrade these frigates so that they do not shoot cores)) Well, for the modernization, of course, you need to pay the states. Yes, how!)
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 18 October 2018 17: 44
            +22
            Quote: krot
            And then the Sumerians will have to upgrade these frigates so that they do not shoot cores))

            to that kind?
          2. helmi8
            helmi8 18 October 2018 18: 13
            0
            Quote: krot
            Well, for the modernization, of course, you need to pay the states. Yes, how!)

            Of course you have to ... They
            At the same time, the US is going to “transfer” to Ukraine the most obsolete modifications of these frigates that have not undergone modernization.

            I won’t be surprised if they soon offer Pete glass containers from under whiskey ... And they will! lol
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 18 October 2018 18: 07
          +6
          Quote: Arh
          Fuck how they breed Ukraine !!!

          not at all. following the commandments of the supreme
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 18 October 2018 17: 43
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        Once you have yours, then you will have to SWIM on a stranger ..

        the last word sounds especially true laughing
      3. Random
        Random 18 October 2018 18: 01
        +7
        Quote: 210ox
        Once you have yours, then you will have to SWIM on a stranger ..

        To start "swimming" you still need to buy it wassat (as "history" has shown, the Americans are not Samaritans ... how much did Pete take two old galoshes without weapons?), and how many times larger are the frigates in terms of tonnage?
        Those. I will cost ... "not measured" and let Petro forget about the armament on them ... but he doesn't need it ... the standard scheme of the 90s .. it's called Rollback bully wassat
        Petya decided to move to the top 10 list of Forbes wassat
        But say that he did not study well ... Ilf and Petrova probably know everything by heart, and Osia Bender turns upside down in a coffin with envy wassat
        How do they "yell" there .... "lard to ukraine" ... so let them continue in the same spirit laughing
      4. Zubr
        Zubr 18 October 2018 18: 26
        +2
        hi
        That's right, you correctly noticed "FLOAT" ... smile
      5. colonel75
        colonel75 18 October 2018 19: 15
        0
        So far, some vessels of the Ukrainians will definitely turn into what SWIMMING ...
    2. Granddad
      Granddad 18 October 2018 17: 14
      +12
      Our bridge doesn’t give rest to the State Department .. After all, the railway will soon open the way and who knows what load many echelons will go to Crimea! And since the days of the USSR, there were many canned bunkers and many kilometers of catacombs. To unleash the war between the junta and Russia is still the main task .. In Orthodoxy, there is already a split, the roller is rubbing the pens and considers the money received in the accounts ..
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus 18 October 2018 18: 11
        0
        And next to the bridge you can also open a museum. Where you will stand on the emergency path, you yourself know what. Just a little, op-pa and a bridge battery. angry
    3. Shuttle
      Shuttle 18 October 2018 17: 33
      +2
      Quote: Cartalon
      Do you want to ruin the country, give her a battleship))

      By the way, a joke from the Royal Navy (Royal Navy of Great Britain) of the second half of the XIX-early XX centuries.
    4. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 18 October 2018 17: 33
      +5
      Quote: Cartalon
      Do you want to ruin the country, give her a battleship))

      Dreadnought, Michael wink It’s already in this aphorism that was about dreadnought yes smile
      1. HAM
        HAM 18 October 2018 17: 51
        +3
        Khokhlam is enough and the "frigate", the admirals will fight .. laughing
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 18 October 2018 17: 53
        +7
        Quote: Rurikovich
        It’s already in this aphorism that was about dreadnought

        but they didn’t say anything about the aircraft carrier? and that is, I have what to offer them repeat
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 18 October 2018 18: 00
        0
        What a country, such are the dreadnoughts for her! Let them swim, because they have IT, will not be able to walk soon, by itself! Will hang out like how-to-.....
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 18 October 2018 18: 06
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          What a country, such are the dreadnoughts for her!

          and this will do?
        2. next322
          next322 18 October 2018 20: 29
          +2
          taking into account the fact that at the BSF 3 ancient boats of 1969,78,79 years, it is much better
    5. viralig
      viralig 18 October 2018 17: 59
      0
      Here - God forbid that we are not worth it - and even pay for a holey trough.
    6. Baloo
      Baloo 18 October 2018 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Cartalon
      Do you want to ruin the country, give her a battleship))

      Here we are talking about buy-sell. The land fleet of Ukraine is trying to vparivat another rusty trough with missiles. The question is, will Russia let him into the Sea of ​​Azov? sad
    7. Machito
      Machito 18 October 2018 20: 11
      0
      To sell something unnecessary - you must first buy something unnecessary.
    8. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 October 2018 07: 02
      +3
      Perry are quite normal frigates. For the Black Sea LDP is fine. Not older than the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet "Moscow" or even "Kuzi".
    9. Barzha
      Barzha 19 October 2018 08: 52
      0
      Want to ruin the country, give her an armadillo

      And who is talking about "give"? The amers seem to have a date for the decommissioning of these frigates. And they are business people - they will sell it to Ukraine. Again they will remove all weapons, all electronics and sell.
    10. silver_roman
      silver_roman 19 October 2018 10: 16
      0
      only here they don’t give, but SELL. it is also one of the most unsuccessful frigates in history. He is basically bad for everyone. So go ahead. They will also pay as for a destroyer)). Tse Paramoga
  2. major071
    major071 18 October 2018 17: 10
    +14
    I can't say anything about the American frigates, but their transfer will hit Ukraine's pocket hard, where they cannot repair their Saiga Dachny due to lack of funds. Firstly, trained crews are needed, and no one will retrain for free. Service and maintenance of weapons in order, and foreign "will cost a pretty penny," and Ukraine does not have its own weapons to equip frigates and is unlikely to appear in the near future. I see only one way out - to accept frigates from the United States, to trumpet the whole world about it that the Naval Forces of Ukraine is now a world ocean power, to show them to the people and put them somewhere against the wall, so as not to spend a lot. Well, even on holidays you can show hi IMHO
    1. 210ox
      210ox 18 October 2018 17: 15
      +4
      Ships are powerful enough compared to the Sagaidachny, of course, they are different things .. Otherwise, I agree with you. They are generally, if not analogs, then very similar in characteristics to our Grigorovichs. Only our newer ones in equipment and weapons.
      1. Jerk
        Jerk 18 October 2018 17: 25
        -4
        Yes, the Cole staff, the type of Arly Burke, had enough of a meeting with a motorboat to completely lose its combat readiness, and the militiamen would drown this rusty trough with any ATGM. A single Phalanx, which has shoals, like a flea dog - does not interfere
        1. 210ox
          210ox 18 October 2018 17: 30
          +4
          Yes, any ship meeting a "fire-ship" does not bode well. Especially when the crew is clapping their ears ..
        2. Shuttle
          Shuttle 18 October 2018 17: 47
          +1
          Quote: Jerk
          Yes, the Cole staff, the type of Arly Burke, had enough of a meeting with a motorboat to completely lose its combat readiness, and the militiamen would drown this rusty trough with any ATGM. A single Phalanx, which has shoals, like a flea dog - does not interfere

          You know, at the beginning of the First World War, the Germans had such a cruiser "Emden". Lightweight and completely harmless against the background of any dreadnoughts. However, he managed to spite the British in the Indian Ocean. He drowned a huge mass of ships. True civilians and even often letting passengers and crews escape. But still.
          It is unlikely that in Banderland there is a captain who can match the captain of the "Emden" in adherence to the laws of war at sea.
      2. Oden280
        Oden280 18 October 2018 17: 53
        +3
        If we consider that the air defense systems were removed from these ships, due to the removal of the RIM-66 SM-1MR missiles, then talking about the power of these ships is simply ridiculous. Everything else their weapons are purely nominal.
    2. Oden280
      Oden280 18 October 2018 17: 42
      +3
      It is not recommended to put on the walls. The old ones hurt. Rusting and drowning. Immediately in a dry dock and wrap the film. And on holidays from far away ukram show.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 October 2018 22: 43
      +3
      Quote: major071
      I can’t say anything about the American frigates,

      In 2004, during a visit to the Republic of Poland over a glass of tea, a Polish capraz told me about them. His assessment: expensive and useless, because the Yankees sold frigates with one ammo. And how to study without practical application - that is, a great secret. We decided to buy it "cheaply" from benefactors. So the cowboys broke such a price that the "panstvo" eyes looked out of their sockets. And he also complained that O. Perry does not hold the Baltic wave well. Well, this "washing board" is not indifferent to all our BODs, without sending greetings from the depths of their hearts ...
      If svidomye go by clairvoyant, then the Yankees will also strip them like sticky ... There is nothing to be done - business!
      IMHO.
  3. Alexey Vasilievich I
    Alexey Vasilievich I 18 October 2018 17: 14
    +3
    Hmm ... Ukraine is increasingly turning into a weapons dump. There is no sense in acquiring these truncated underfregs. Their combat capabilities are minimal.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 18 October 2018 17: 24
      +5
      As for the minimum possibilities, it’s you in vain ... How many of them were built? In the series for more than twenty years. And they were intended to counteract the fleet of the USSR. If it weren’t for them, they wouldn’t be built.
      1. Alexey Vasilievich I
        Alexey Vasilievich I 18 October 2018 17: 31
        +1
        they were greatly cut back in the late 90s - early 2000. These are not the same Olivers that were. Moreover, the author writes that these are not modernized frigates. Most likely it will be shortened frigates without a helicopter hangar
      2. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 18 October 2018 17: 50
        +1
        Perhaps these ships are dangerous in the Black and Azov seas. The motive for the Americans is clear. Their rights to stay in the Black Sea are limited. The United States is clearly preparing for war. These troughs will distract us. Hope pleases: they will float on their own, or again self-pickup, whose crew will be, whether Ukraine will at least handle their maintenance. In any case, the United States, though rusty troughs, is pumping up the Wehrmacht for a reason. I would like to believe that for the sake of "fuck" my henchman
        1. Dersturm
          Dersturm 19 October 2018 08: 12
          +1
          Draft is about 8 meters, what is the Sea of ​​Azov?)))))
  4. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 18 October 2018 17: 16
    +9
    Quote: major071
    I can't say anything about the American frigates, but their transfer will hit Ukraine's pocket hard, where they cannot repair their Saiga Dachny due to lack of funds. Firstly, trained crews are needed, and no one will retrain for free. Service and maintenance of weapons in order, and foreign "will cost a pretty penny," and Ukraine does not have its own weapons to equip frigates and is unlikely to appear in the near future. I see only one way out - to accept frigates from the United States, to trumpet the whole world about it that the Naval Forces of Ukraine is now a world ocean power, to show them to the people and put them somewhere against the wall, so as not to spend a lot. Well, even on holidays you can show hi IMHO

    I agree. Poland with its "T.Kostyushko" and "K.Pulaski" sipped a lot of grief. He cannot even conduct training sessions because the United States has to pay for the ammunition. I had a chance to communicate with the Poles on the Baltops ...
  5. Jerk
    Jerk 18 October 2018 17: 16
    +10
    It's complete ... Delight, sir! He doesn't fall apart just because his seagulls are fucked up! "Remove periscope"
  6. Proton
    Proton 18 October 2018 17: 22
    +4
    Frigates, okay, but who will serve them? laughing or ukroflot also Negroes from the states to write to them?
    1. Sandor Clegane
      Sandor Clegane 18 October 2018 17: 35
      +4
      Quote: Proton
      +2
      Frigates, okay, but who will serve them? or ukroflot also Negroes from the states to write to them?

      Do you think that there are no sailors in Ukraine ?? ..... the Slavs there are the same as you and I ... and the appearance of these frigates in the Black Sea as part of the Ukrainian fleet will bring us not joy, but additional problems
      1. Proton
        Proton 18 October 2018 17: 41
        +3
        Sailors can and do, but there is no one to teach them, although the Poles can certainly share the sad experience of owning this water-filled dishes. And about the troubles in the World Cup, they can only deliver to fishermen, because these ships have no chance against our coastal complexes.
      2. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 18 October 2018 17: 53
        +2
        Quote: Sandor Clegane
        Quote: Proton
        +2
        Frigates, okay, but who will serve them? or ukroflot also Negroes from the states to write to them?

        Do you think that there are no sailors in Ukraine ?? ..... the Slavs there are the same as you and I ... and the appearance of these frigates in the Black Sea as part of the Ukrainian fleet will bring us not joy, but additional problems

        Belonging to the Slavic world, does not characterize the level of knowledge of the crew and the level of combat readiness of equipment
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 18 October 2018 17: 55
          -1
          Quote: The Siberian Barber
          Belonging to the Slavic world does not characterize the level of learning

          and what prevents them from learning? .....
          1. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 18 October 2018 17: 57
            0
            Quote: Sandor Clegane
            Quote: The Siberian Barber
            Belonging to the Slavic world does not characterize the level of learning

            and what prevents them from learning? .....

            Money and desire laughing
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 18 October 2018 21: 42
            +1
            The training base and decent naval teachers ... Although, ..... they can send to study in the states. But! request For training, too, they will tear pennies and not small! hi As they say, nothing personal, just bare calculation! Plus, buy everything for these ships ... Well, except for water and fuel oil. And such a shipbuilding base was in Ukraine! Oh, brothers, brothers Ukrainians ... Regression on the face!
            1. bukhach
              bukhach 19 October 2018 08: 09
              +1
              Why do you offend them? They are not our brothers for a long time.
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      4. mmaxx
        mmaxx 20 October 2018 07: 41
        -1
        Here I would like to quote A. Cunningham's phrase: "It takes three years to build a ship, 300 years to build a tradition." There are no traditions in the pig fleet and there never will be. An independent Ukraine is a Bandera Ukraine. No Bandera ever needed any fleet.
        Let them buy. It will look beautiful in Odessa. Let the amusement American present. All the same, there will be no use. And the money will eat them. And that’s good. Previously, the whole of Ukraine will collapse.
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 20 October 2018 12: 09
          -1
          Quote: mmaxx
          There are no traditions in the pig fleet and never will be.

          then, in your opinion, Ivanov and Kravchenko, who finished both in the same year, Nakhimovskoe are divided like this .... Ivanov - smart, purposeful, innovative thinking, active, physically healthy, introspection and logic
          Kravchenko is a crooked one, a pan instead of brains, color blindness, flat feet, autism, a pronounced down, unable to think logically .... so what do you think ?, then it's all about you ....
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 21 October 2018 05: 20
            -1
            A country that is built on hatred and on the glorious Bandera kah can not give anything. For some reason, everyone who pecks at it becomes nerds.
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 21 October 2018 13: 03
              -1
              Three times ruled. Instead of "kah" read - kah.
              Wow! The site cuts off such words. Then let it be freaks.
  7. Irek
    Irek 18 October 2018 17: 26
    +3
    well done Americans, they will pack their old stuff at the price of a new one.
  8. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 18 October 2018 17: 35
    +3
    And what are the little things! lol If you take, so "Iowa" fellow laughing
  9. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 18 October 2018 17: 36
    +2
    if you compare the cost of obsolete dishes and the cost of PCR, then for the outskirts this is a useless investment if you decide to buy ...
  10. Smoked
    Smoked 18 October 2018 17: 37
    0
    They will put a couple of hundred DShKs on deck and will be no worse than others in terms of the power of a side salvo.
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 18 October 2018 17: 42
      +3
      They have neither DShK nor cartridges for them laughing And for a long time. The catapult will be ...
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 18 October 2018 17: 54
        0
        Catapult is already a strategic weapon.
        1. Jerk
          Jerk 18 October 2018 17: 59
          0
          Ah, then they’ll put the slingshots. Complete with Kvakins laughing
  11. faiver
    faiver 18 October 2018 17: 40
    +2
    ugly kind of corvette, no grace ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 18 October 2018 17: 50
      +6
      This is a super successful mass frigate - for a specific purpose. Pull convoys from the USA to Europe = through wolf packs of Soviet submarines and single missile ships / planes.

      It carries 2 turntables with hangars and a large supply of fuel and lubricants. For comparison, this is the level of the Soviet BOD.

      At 70, he had the best air defense system. More advanced and long-range than Admiral Zozulya = on the same cruisers = only the USSR could only 4 the cruiser with Wave-M.

      And as shown by real action - the frigate is very tenacious. 2 Exocet caught and norms, after 9 months went to a new BS.
      1. faiver
        faiver 18 October 2018 17: 52
        0
        He carries xnumx turntables with hangars
        there are also different modifications with two and one turntable ...
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 18 October 2018 18: 22
          +1
          Even the seven (head) - 2 hangar (another thing is that at first only 1 turntable was used - for various reasons). All currently live 2 turntables are in operational use.
      2. Alexey Vasilievich I
        Alexey Vasilievich I 18 October 2018 18: 20
        +2
        You have an outdated and incomplete info about these frigates.
        1. SAMs have long been removed from them.
        2. Not everyone has hangars.
        Without an air defense system, this trough can sink even a single RTO in one gulp, not to mention our DBK. Aviation will be enough to cast it with iron from a height of 4-5 km
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 18 October 2018 18: 28
          +4
          So, I wrote about 70. It was an advanced ship at that time. wink .

          There are hangars at all - even at 7 (head) - I attached a picture. Now only relatively fresh ships that actively use the 2 helicopter have survived.

          SAM was removed on all Americans - because the budget for modernization was not broken. Turks, for example, did not take off, but paid for the modernization.

          Yes. So this is relevant for any ship of the Navy. As if the Sahaidachny his Wasp will be able to do something laughing .
        2. mvg
          mvg 18 October 2018 21: 10
          -1
          Without an air defense system, this trough can sink even a single RTO

          Excuse me, but what about our Buyans for air defense? NOTHING, just a sailor with an Arrow. And what about the BOD 1155? And fresh 11356? Only 22350, if Polyment "flies" something can. About aviation with "cast iron", this is a masterpiece, do you think it will get? And in / over the Sea of ​​Azov will not be afraid to fly?
          PS :: Several times he wrote that the United States is simply obliged to offer Oliver Perry the pig, they are still written off ... and there are relatively fresh ships .. And it happened. A dozen of these frigates will give the 404th country a rather big trump card in the Black Sea.
          1. Alexey Vasilievich I
            Alexey Vasilievich I 20 October 2018 00: 16
            -1
            If you are talking about MRC Buyan-M, then why is a sailor and even an arrow? There are 2 PU Bending with Needle-S, which works well for low-flying KR. Not a bad thing, the mattress doesn’t have one even though it has a displacement many times larger. Our Buyan and the Duet have both a small EPR and a Caliber with Onyx;) Therefore, Oliver has nothing to catch in battle with him except Onyx on board wink
            About BOD 1155, I did not understand at all, but what do they have to do with it? belay But if you still talk about them, then the American generally nervously smokes on the sidelines.
            11356 has Shtil-1 and AK-630M air defense systems. Again there are Caliber or Onyx.
            With 22350 again did not hit. He is not at the Black Sea Fleet.
            As for aviation and the Sea of ​​Azov. And will Oliver go there with his draft? lol And what or who will prevent aviation from practicing bombing over the Black Sea if the independent Oliver provokes provocations in the region of the Crimean peninsula. Sooner or later they will get even iron laughing
            1. mvg
              mvg 20 October 2018 11: 31
              0
              Again there are Gauges or Onyxes

              What calibers and onyxes? Who will guide them? The radar station at Buyan is about the same class as binoculars. When AFAR and Pantsir are installed, there will be something to talk about. And Perry has modern Harpoons (if bought for 404) and a helicopter and radar (relatively good, they were installed on cruisers and aircraft carriers), for detecting brawlers and air defense ... AN / SPG 49 / 55B radar. There is a GUS.
              Bending with a Needle ... wink not funny for a warship .. About the sailor is not a joke.
              displacement many times more

              You mean what displacement, Buyan has 950 tons, Perry 4500, like our "admirals"
              BOD 1155

              And what is there to understand, a ship with a displacement of 6500 tons, but no weapons. Mosquitoes shoot in favor of Uranus. Gus old, air defense / missile defense is the same ..
              So Oliver won't look like a whipping boy
              will pass with his draft

              And what is his sediment? 3.5 meters? Don't .. get stuck
              1. Alexey Vasilievich I
                Alexey Vasilievich I 20 October 2018 14: 02
                0
                I would not underestimate MR Buyan-M so much. These are one of the most combat-ready ships in the Black Sea Fleet now. The same RTOs Grad Sviyazhsk will not climb out of various exercises and campaigns, including missile firing at AIRFORDS and AIRFORDS. For target designation in the Black Sea Fleet there is a ZG radar. I also wrote about the small EPRED of our ship for a reason. Not the fact that the mattress frigate will detect it until it is too late. And for what air defense station of your vaunted Oliver will work? For the Ukrainian sailor with a slingshot? laughing Oh yes, I completely forgot, there is ONE Phalanx ONE Volcano too! lol Bending with a needle for a ship with a displacement of about 950 tons makes you laugh, and a trough with a displacement of 4200 tons with 1 ZAK is normal.
                About 1155. I thought you understood, it turns out not. These ships are not on the Black Sea Fleet, from the word ABSOLUTELY. Therefore, I see no reason even to dwell on their comparison. But if you still want to talk, as your favorite mattresses say, welcome! laughing
                I don't want to upset you and all Oliver's fans, but Harpoons, like the Standards, have not been on them since the early 2000s. There is nothing to launch them. Therefore, he will be a "whipping boy" for our 1155, and not only for him.
                Draft 3,5 meters belay Where did you get these numbers?
                7,7 meters do not want. Or do you offer to remove the gas and roll it next to Oliver in some sort of bulk carrier along the Sea of ​​Azov? lol
                1. mvg
                  mvg 20 October 2018 16: 06
                  0
                  These ships are not on the Black Sea Fleet, from the word AT ALL

                  Come on wink //http://russianships.info/today/ // not really, really not?
                  1 in the Black Sea Fleet, 5 in the Northern Fleet, 4 in the Pacific Fleet total 10
                  For target designation in the Black Sea Fleet there is a ZG radar

                  How long has it been a long time since the ZG radar began to give the control center? Maybe then leave 4-5 conventional "Containers", and remove the radar from all ships ... they (over-the-horizon) control 6000 km each request
                  Yes, on AWACS planes then the need will disappear ... Imagine how many babosikoff will be free! You can build dozens of aircraft carriers.
                  but Garpunov as well as the Standards on them have not been since the early 2000s

                  Both RGM-84 and RIM-66/67 are not worth it for another reason, financial ... Therefore, they began to write off the frigates. Returning the air defense system to its place, even with the old RIM-24, is not a problem, it will certainly be no worse than the Daggers, Shtil'i, Wasp and Harpoons will certainly not yield to Uranians, Termites ..
                  There is a radar station, BIOS is able to work with this, "storage" by the Yankees is not like the Ukrainians, in the open air. They will be de-canned and sold. It might even work.
                  Bending with a needle for a ship with a displacement of about 950 tons will make you laugh

                  Laughs. I studied the Needle and the Wasp .. Another student is true. Corn scare. Buyan-M in its current state is completely without air defense.
                  1. Alexey Vasilievich I
                    Alexey Vasilievich I 20 October 2018 17: 44
                    0
                    "not at all?"
                    Yes, really, really. 1155 at KSF and Pacific Fleet. You can see the composition of the Black Sea Fleet for general development tongue
                    "How long has the ZG radar began to give the control center?"
                    Well, at least since 2014. Read at your leisure about the short-wave ZG radar Sunflower and its combined use with RTO Buyan wink
                    About the Standards and Harpoons.
                    They themselves wrote that their mattresses were removed for financial reasons. But Ukraine, we have a very rich state. Or do you think they’ll get everything for free. Yeah, keep your pocket wider laughing And everything is so simple and fast with you, today they re-opened, tomorrow - put laughing
                    The scarecrows with a needle scare ... Well, well ... laughing Pilots of the supersonic fighters she shot down also probably thought so laughing Look for a net track record Needles, in particular the relatively recently shot down MiG-23 in Libya.
                    And again about air defense. In the current state, just Amer is completely without air defense
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 18 October 2018 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        This is a super successful mass frigate - for a specific purpose. Pull convoys from the USA to Europe = through wolf packs of Soviet submarines and single missile ships / planes.

        EMNIP, the Knox were imprisoned on the PLO. And the OHP with their Standards launchers were the "farthest arm" of the air defense of the convoys.
      4. san4es
        san4es 18 October 2018 18: 23
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        ... the frigate is very tenacious. 2 Exoseta caught and norms,

        hi ... Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate USS Thach was decommissioned after more than 29 years of service in the Navy in 2013,
        Despite the attacks by at least four anti-ship missiles, bombs, missiles and torpedoes, it took twelve hours to sink him.
        Wiki ...
        1. Jerk
          Jerk 18 October 2018 19: 25
          0
          They need to be drowned not with rockets, but with dry cargo vessels laughing
      5. Alexey Vasilievich I
        Alexey Vasilievich I 18 October 2018 18: 29
        +3
        "And as real actions have shown, the frigate is very tenacious. 2 Exocet caught and norms"
        He miraculously did not sink, despite the fact that only 1 Exoset worked normally
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 18 October 2018 18: 42
          +5
          Well, one tablet was enough for Sheffield, which didn’t even work.


          Coventry left 20 minutes to feed the fish, from 500 pounds come from 50's from the top-mast bombing on Skyhawks.

          The fact is that he caught 2 of Exoset, one worked on a regular basis, the other as on Sheffield. The ship survived. Losses are relatively small. He went to the nearest base. After 9 months he returned to duty.
          1. Alexey Vasilievich I
            Alexey Vasilievich I 18 October 2018 19: 11
            +2
            As far as I remember Sheffield, the rocket went lower than Oliver. Literally a meter with a penny from the waterline. And then Malachites and Onyxes are not Exocet. Will be slightly heavier laughing
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  13. Chief Engineer
    Chief Engineer 18 October 2018 17: 43
    +3
    A very strange feeling, they are buying and I am ashamed ....
  14. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 18 October 2018 17: 50
    0
    From today's news, about Georgia, Lithuania, I came to the conclusion that the "recycling program" of old equipment, under the guise of assistance, is working in full growth!)))
    I’m not really surprised if they offer some sort of Estonia, an old aircraft carrier wassat
  15. Radon
    Radon 18 October 2018 17: 53
    0
    Let Israel buy spike missiles. This is the best kind.
  16. Bykov.
    Bykov. 18 October 2018 17: 54
    +1
    When will they start selling biplanes to the horses?
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 18 October 2018 18: 17
      +2
      When the hot air balloons will shed everything)))
  17. Conductor
    Conductor 18 October 2018 17: 59
    0
    They waited. at last .
  18. mark1
    mark1 18 October 2018 18: 01
    +4
    This is how the Montreux Convention will be bypassed. Formally, the Ukrainian ones are actually the USA and don’t look that old ones are the beginning, then Arly Bierki will go, UDC, all sorts of littoral ones are clever ...
    1. mark1
      mark1 18 October 2018 18: 36
      +3
      The only way out is to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea. New Russia should be realized ...
  19. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 18 October 2018 18: 20
    0
    The materials of the Ukrainian media say that Washington allegedly offers Kiev, as part of military-technical assistance from the United States, to acquire American warships. We are talking about frigates like Oliver Hazard Perry.


    They still wanted to transfer them back in October 2014.
  20. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 18 October 2018 18: 22
    +1
    Okay. What will rockets work on ... wassat
  21. beeper
    beeper 18 October 2018 18: 31
    +1
    "A letter from the US military attaché" is, in fact, a categorical offer-order, from which the "Maidan authorities" cannot be refused (after all, how many "Maidan president" smile ) "written off by American boats, direct competitors of similar products of his shipbuilding enterprise, but they had to be" taken on the balance sheet "!). request Since Washington is now the sovereign master of its otmaidannoy and banded Eurocolony "Ukraine".
    So there is an escalation of the Washington military in the Black and Azov Seas, albeit a little "fancy" for the "all-eating" trained lohtorat of "common people"!
  22. Silver Fox
    Silver Fox 18 October 2018 19: 21
    0
    Americans know how to trade) If he can’t walk, he can deliver
  23. Adimius38
    Adimius38 18 October 2018 19: 23
    +2
    as for floating rubbish, I wouldn’t punch my chest like a real ury patriot author of the article, frigates like Oliver Hazard Perry are a rather successful series that has been used for more than a dozen years and undoubtedly these frigates can pose a significantly greater threat than the two APU troughs that passed under the Crimean a bridge
  24. Cannonball
    Cannonball 18 October 2018 19: 38
    0
    Well, the Black Sea is understandable, but who will let these troughs into the Sea of ​​Azov? Unless dragging and dropping.
  25. Turist1996
    Turist1996 18 October 2018 19: 41
    +2
    In the Sea of ​​Azov ?! Interesting .. He even has nowhere to accelerate - how to plow six hundred hectares on the K-700 with a plow of six to seven shares: more space for a turn is necessary than for plowing ..
    1. Dersturm
      Dersturm 19 October 2018 08: 29
      +1
      draft from 6.7 to 7.7 meters, what is the Sea of ​​Azov ??))
  26. NF68
    NF68 18 October 2018 20: 05
    +1
    And who will give a pittance to these frigates?
  27. cadmiy
    cadmiy 18 October 2018 20: 14
    0
    Haha, Ukrainians they need to vtyuhivat their
  28. K-50
    K-50 18 October 2018 20: 25
    0
    US offers Ukraine to strengthen the frigates Oliver Hazard Perry

    They simply do not have money for such "toys". Moreover, it will be even more expensive to keep the old stuff.
    But this dos pin is not of interest to them, they would have to earn more money. laughing
  29. Berkut24
    Berkut24 18 October 2018 20: 30
    -3
    The Turks will not let anyone in. Under the treaty on the straits, only warships built on the Black Sea can enter the Black Sea for permanent residence. Because of this, some of our new Varshavyanka are forced to hang out off the coast of Syria.
    1. Antares
      Antares 19 October 2018 00: 29
      +3
      Quote: Berkut24
      Under the Black Sea Straits Agreement, only warships built on the Black Sea can go for permanent residence.

      Heh, then the German submarines of Turkey, the Baltic ships of the Russian Federation and the Polish ships of Ukraine - had to leave the World Cup long ago ... but they did not leave ...
      No in the convention on construction, only belonging to the states of the World Cup basin.
    2. Rzzz
      Rzzz 19 October 2018 13: 33
      0
      There are restrictions on submarines, such that you can only go through for repairs. About surface ships this is not.
      1. Cannonball
        Cannonball 19 October 2018 19: 28
        0
        Article 12
        The coastal powers to the Black Sea will have the right to navigate through the Straits, in order to return to their base, their submarines built or bought outside this sea, if Turkey has been notified in advance of the tab or purchase.

        Submarines belonging to these Powers can likewise pass through the Straits for repair at shipyards located outside this sea, provided that accurate data on this matter will be given to Turkey.

        In either case, the submarines will have to swim during the day and, moreover, on the surface and pass through the Straits alone.
    3. Cannonball
      Cannonball 19 October 2018 19: 23
      0
      Not built on the Black Sea, but belonging to the Black Sea states. Currently, this applies to Russia. And no matter where the warships were built.
      Take the same "Varshavyanka". All six Black Sea "Varshavyankas" were built at the "Admiralty Shipyards" in St. Petersburg, and "Alrosa" - at the "Red Sormovo".
  30. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 18 October 2018 22: 50
    0
    Well, I would not say that this is a frigate trash ...

    The frigate Oliver Hazard Perry is armed with 4 "Harpoons" (an analogue of our X-35) + 36 "Standard" missiles, an analogue of our BUK, which, by the way, can be fired at ships (like any air defense missile at sea) + 2 torpedo tubes for torpedoes Mark 46 + helicopter ...

    Ukraine wanted to build a serious ship, about such a frigate, implementing project 58250 "Vladimir the Great", it was planned that it would cost 250 million dollars, of course there is no money, the project is frozen.

    Admonished the United States decided that the terrorists are now not only boats, but also to equip frigates, damn it ...
    1. Alexey Vasilievich I
      Alexey Vasilievich I 19 October 2018 23: 03
      0
      They do not have Standards. Long gone. And without them, he is trash. He alone does not pose any threat to our fleet. If there would be a SAM, then you could still scratch your turnips in thought, and so JAM
  31. Michael-rl
    Michael-rl 18 October 2018 23: 00
    0
    . Today they are in the fleets of such countries of the world (besides the USA themselves) as Egypt, Turkey, Poland, Taiwan, Spain, etc.

    So in the United States they are not composed as well.
  32. sgr291158
    sgr291158 19 October 2018 06: 14
    0
    They want to trash another floating rubbish.
  33. Е2 - Е4
    Е2 - Е4 19 October 2018 08: 03
    0
    The good news is that our modern fleet has good training targets !!!
  34. Amatar
    Amatar 19 October 2018 08: 09
    0
    They want to sell targets to Ukraine
  35. swyatoslav
    swyatoslav 19 October 2018 15: 08
    0
    Yankees do not need to learn business - cool Ukrainians breed! Well done!
  36. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 19 October 2018 19: 45
    0
    I don’t understand - Ukrainians have such shipyards why they won’t build ships for themselves. It will be both cheaper and better, with these traditions in shipbuilding. For example, my country (Bulgaria) refused to buy ships and launched a tender for the construction of two corvette patrols in our shipyards. There will be work for the shipyard and there maybe someone else we can sell.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 20 October 2018 07: 48
      +1
      What the hell shipyards ?? In Nikolaev three plants of each other are bigger and more unique. These morons for 25 lats did nothing there. I will not eat it myself and I will not give it to others.
      Such plants can only work in the hands of the empire that needs them. For Ukrainian leaders, such brain activity is beyond comprehension.
  37. dgonni
    dgonni 20 October 2018 11: 27
    +2
    I wouldn’t jerk much, especially in the light of Volcker's statements about lifting the embargo on the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine! Physically, the ships will be transferred on a free basis. What they write like there are no crews? That is, from ignorance. In fact, teams have been in the states for over a year, so by. What about obsolescence? Relatively fresh units of the late 80s and early 90s are offered. Since this class of ships is a universal in terms of air defense and air defense, Ukraine will first of all pay for the modernization of air defense, and the air defense there is already at the level. Considering that these ships were designed to accompany convoys in the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean, they have a sufficient margin of safety for service on the Black Sea for another 10-15 years. And given the fact that in the Black Sea Russia has in fact only Project 11356 ships on the move, then these boats will create a lot of problems. Kreacher Moscow can be safely attributed to a 4-5 year old because major repairs are needed. Make it in Sevastopol will not succeed, On the engines there is a real seam. Nikolayev will not be, Saturn skimps on responsibilities and carries a blizzard for 3 years, like we can, but in fact it’s not even at the exit for tests.
    P.S. The most important thing is that it’s URG frigates! And they are adapted to the standards of mattresses! If on two fingers, then the Americans will have all the objective information from their BIUS system in real time!
    P.S. Couch can laugh further!
    1. Alexey Vasilievich I
      Alexey Vasilievich I 20 October 2018 15: 48
      0
      "Physically, the ships will be transferred free of charge."
      Who told you that? Americans sell much cheaper equipment to Ukraine, and then whole frigates will be transferred for free. In order to at least return to them their previous opportunities, one must again invest. Yes, and this is not a matter of 2 days. And most importantly, if Ukraine really wants to compete with Russia on the Black Sea, frigates alone can not do. And so it’s all like a stuffing and PR Poroshenko before the election
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 20 October 2018 15: 53
        0
        For javelins they also said stuffing.
        1. Alexey Vasilievich I
          Alexey Vasilievich I 20 October 2018 18: 00
          0
          No panic! Do not get dirty cowards ahead of time! laughing laughing laughing
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 20 October 2018 18: 00
        -1
        Washingtonians need the Navy in the Black Sea, on an ongoing basis, and Ukraine their outpost against the Russian Federation. It will not be a surprise if they give them a frigate for free.
        1. Alexey Vasilievich I
          Alexey Vasilievich I 20 October 2018 18: 25
          0
          Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is not only ships and submarines. This is also aviation, coastal missile systems that shoot through the entire Black Sea, coastal artillery, coastal radars, etc.
          Oliver will NOT significantly affect the balance of power in the Black Sea. Especially in its current state
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 20 October 2018 19: 05
            -1
            I agree that it will not affect, but no one is going to fight. Here is the center of tension to support and to arrange a provocation -: for this, two frigates will be at the very same time.
            1. Alexey Vasilievich I
              Alexey Vasilievich I 20 October 2018 19: 34
              0
              You can rake for provocation
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 21 October 2018 05: 25
      0
      It would be interesting to know how much it costs to operate such a frigate per day. How much one paint does it take to paint it? To enter into a dock in the USA? To clean and paint there. The United States will give a maximum loan for the purchase of these ships. After all, they are now allocating money, but instead of sending weapons. Papuans cannot give money. A debt must be paid.
      1. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane 21 October 2018 09: 43
        -1
        Quote: mmaxx
        It would be interesting to know how much it costs to operate such a frigate per day. How much one paint does it take to paint it?

        and what are you interested in ukrvermacht money? why do not you ask such questions about the "Moskva" and other ships of the Russian Navy ..... rightly they will immediately pass over, since these are questions of the liberals, and you are a "patriot"
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 21 October 2018 13: 06
          -1
          1. "Moscow" is worth it. And we have money. We will repair it or not is not very important. The ship is really outdated. To upgrade such a building ... well, I don't know. Earlier it was necessary.
          2. And the sooner money runs out in ukrovermaht, the faster this misunderstanding will collapse.
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 21 October 2018 15: 12
            -1
            Quote: mmaxx
            "Moscow" is worth it. And we have money. We will repair it or not is not very important. The ship is really outdated. Upgrade such a building ....

            what do you dislike about the hull? ... there the alloy was still enough for 25 years to surf the oceans
            Quote: mmaxx
            And the sooner money runs out in ukrovermaht, the faster this misunderstanding will collapse.

            will not collapse in the next 20 years .... their own Anglo-Saxons babos feed
  38. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 20 October 2018 18: 34
    -1
    At the same time, the United States is going to "transfer" to Ukraine the most outdated modifications of these frigates, which have not undergone modernization.
    The ships have missile weapons - Harpoon missiles, mine-torpedo weapons - Mark 32 ASW. The crew of the frigate - 219 people.

    Better than nothing, in the end they can even be used as patrolmen even without missile weapons, the same flagship of the Navy was originally created for the marine border guards of the KGB of the USSR ... and it was never a frigate ...
    Costs may relate to the preparation of infrastructure for their base, so anyway, financing from the US as a part of military assistance cannot be avoided ...
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 21 October 2018 13: 08
      -1
      A little expensive for a guard. In the USSR it was necessary to guard the entire Black Sea. And what is there to guard? Themselves except.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 21 October 2018 13: 29
        0
        Quote: mmaxx
        A little expensive for a guard. In the USSR it was necessary to guard the entire Black Sea. And what is there to guard? Themselves except.

        So they have little water left, in the Azov region you can’t place a larger artillery ship, so only Odessa remains ...
        At the initial stage of the development of the Navy, this is the Coast Defense and the Battle of Armed Forces, if Ukraine provides the United States with Odessa as a naval base, then Ukraine can abandon the Naval Forces and dispense with the Battle of Naval Forces (following the example of Georgia), and put all their strength into strengthening the Air Force and Air Force ....
        I would be in the place of Ukraine, in order to free the l / s of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from participating in the ATO, I would create a Foreign Legion and VChK with various rabble from all over the world, with the financing of the indicated formations of the EU and NATO, Ukraine would temporarily close the topic of "threats of Russian aggression", all the more so in part, Ukraine has already passed several laws (amended the existing ones) to implement the above ...
  39. Clone
    Clone 22 October 2018 13: 27
    +1
    Ndaaaa ... but, indeed, it is a shame for "our smaller brothers" - oskotin and humiliated themselves to the level of dirty street beggars.