Dedollarization: ruble per euro, euro per dollar. Pull-pull ...

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With all the ties between the Russian economy and the world economy, it is necessary to weaken dependence on the dollar - you can't argue with the president. However, getting involved in a fight, it would be nice to understand what bumps and bruises you will stuff in it. However, once under the sanctions, you can seemingly never pay attention to anything. Meanwhile, not only business, but also ordinary people, dedollarization can cost too much.

Dedollarization: ruble per euro, euro per dollar. Pull-pull ...




It is clear that various prohibitions and restrictions are always ready to take advantage of all sorts of speculators and unscrupulous officials. All the problems with the national currency are, in fact, largely contrived, since the ruble has long been turned into a kind of surrogate for the dollar, moreover, a surrogate tied to oil. More precisely, the problems of the ruble are not far-fetched, but artificially created by financial regulators, ostensibly in order to maintain financial stability.

Here, it can be said, on one line, the formation of the notorious social budget, and the fight against inflation, and the creation of state reserves for a rainy day. And since the black day for most Russians has come, and for a long time, you can do almost anything with the ruble. But only as long as it does not respond by voting "against" in the elections. The September votes, it seems, the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance did not seem to be enough, and our financial gurus, among other things, seem to be playing the next “patriotic card” of opposition to the dollar.

And although there was never even a talk about the complete abandonment of the dollar, the threat of dollar savings has already pushed many citizens to withdraw money from foreign currency accounts. It got to the point that banks significantly - somewhere in one and a half, or even twice increased the rates on deposits in dollars and euros. If only customers do not run away. However, this is not a bet, but tears. One and a half percent instead of 0,75 in Raiffeisen Bank and 3,1 percent in VTB, but only for the rich with deposits more 3000 dollars. About the other threat, to cover the direct exchange in banks, let's say at all briefly: after all, those who are lucky enough to go abroad, again, will have to pay for this at an exorbitant price.

There are big doubts that business will benefit a lot from the switch to rubles in commodity trading. In principle, we can force someone to buy rubles for the sake of buying our oil, gas, iron and steel products and even aluminum and military equipment. But it is not entirely clear that we can then purchase for these rubles for ourselves. Technologies, components, food and high-quality consumer goods? And then for the reverse exchange you will also have to overpay, and overpay, most likely, a lot.

Oleg Vyugin, one of the most authoritative and still very popular experts in the journalistic environment, who held various posts related to currency exchange and now teaches at the HSE, recalled that the dollar is not only the world reserve currency, but also the base currency. According to it, all key prices are fixed. And it is not yet known what transactional losses are incurred by those who refuse the dollar on all fronts.

The expert noted that when the whole world trades and is calculated in dollars, it is hardly possible to go alone to settlements in another currency without much damage. In our opinion, the key word in this assessment is “alone.” The euro therefore became a competitor to the dollar, because it was not worked out alone, but at once by all the powerful Old Worlds in industrial terms. It is no coincidence that the European Union and the single euro began sometime with a continental agreement on steel. Yuan is now struggling to find support, by the way, in the same BRICS, so should we with him ruble refuse it?

It is worth noting here that the competitive position of the euro against the dollar today, after almost two decades of its circulation, is, frankly, not the strongest. According to the estimates of the European Central Bank, in international settlements, the turnover in the euro came close to the dollar. Oleg Vyugin recalled that it is still not clear to many in the same Europe why Russia, selling more than half of its energy resources to the euro area, receives dollars for them.

However, the euro, although it became in fact the second world currency, is still noticeably inferior to the dollar in many ways. For example, the shares in the reserves of most countries. The dollar accounts for 62 percent of global debt, and it is unlikely that anyone will convert such debts into other currencies. More than half, more precisely, 56 percent of loans in the world is issued in dollars, while in euros - only 20 percent. Almost half, 44 percent of the turnover of the foreign exchange market, is also dollar, and only 16 percent is denominated in euros. But with all this, one thing is for sure: on the old continent in everyday life it is quite possible to do without a dollar, which is not true of Russia.



However, all this, you see, is reasoning at the level of that same Lenin cook, and the head of state voiced a generally sound idea. Why operate with dollars where their presence is not necessary? And here, making a bet, and a long-term bet, on the ruble, it would be quite nice to adopt the experience of introducing the euro into circulation. Long-term, with careful preparation and support for the growing housekeepers of Germany, France and Italy, although of their currencies only the Deutsch mark was once able to withstand the pressure of dollars.

In this respect, the ruble is compared with both the brand and the euro, which is much harder. No one is in a hurry to go directly into the calculations, although China does not seem to mind paying rubles for Russian oil and gas. But what about China, we cannot understand with the partners in the EAEU in any way, what and what we will consider. As Tigran Sargsyan, chairman of the Eurasian Economic Commission of the EEC, rightly noted, talk about altyn remained as it was, and even the allied Belorussia denies the Russian ruble, not to mention Kazakhstan and others.

However, let us still be objective - it is within the framework of the EAEU that progress in abandoning world currencies is evident. According to the estimates of the same EEC, perhaps slightly embellished, more than half of Eurasian transactions are already carried out in national currencies. The common customs space helps quite well, although, as is known, the growth of mutual trade of the five EAEU member countries after the initial leap has long been seriously stalled.

But far less serious positions of the ruble in BRICS, on the general get-togethers of which, too, much was said about giving up the dollar. Here are just a benefit to refuse? It would seem, it would seem, to aim a blow at a certain currency BRICS project in the image and likeness of the same euro. But here, first of all, it is no less fraternal than European unity, and preparation that is as long and solid as in Europe. And with this, our partners are in trouble. In comparison with the ruble, it is only the yuan that definitely wins, but you can’t say anything about the Indian rupee, the Brazilian real and the South African rand.

Although in BRICS, starting somewhere in the middle of 2016, contracts and transactions denominated in national currencies have already started. Exceptionally bilateral, of course. India, it seems, is generally only for the sake of otvyazki from the American dominance in the IT-sphere is almost ready to rush into China’s arms. With all the global contradictions of these two countries, they are interested in economic cooperation. And here, by the way, the intermediary role of Russia is very important, in whose absolute loyalty neither Delhi nor Beijing doubts.

A ruble can be fully entitled to claim leadership in the EEU, but in BRICS he will have to know his place as a marginal, that is, rarely used currency. No, relying on the yuan, you can at least plan to create some kind of a single means of payment. This will have to be done, and better sooner than later. At least in order to, together with India, South Africa and Brazil, not turn their central banks into branches of the People’s Bank of China. By the way, not quite adapted to the real market work - in the absence of control by the CPC Central Committee.

It seems that the ruble simply has nowhere to go, except to settle in the rearguard of the euro, helping him to become an even more serious opponent to the dollar. But in general, any claims of the ruble to participate in the formation of a new world financial order can become real, alas, only after the lifting of sanctions. And above all, as rightly noted by KPMG experts, sectoral, which relate to access to financial resources of the West. Access to high technology here is generally secondary.

KPMG noted that the abolition of financial sanctions is more realistic simply due to the fact that very few people pay attention to them. Even American banks, traditionally extremely cautious and law-abiding, continue to buy Russian federal loan bonds. How they do it is not our problem, but more than a quarter of Russian sovereign bonds still hold financial investment structures of the USA and Europe. But the new sanctions that were once initiated by the late Senator McCain, along with his colleagues, were precisely the ones that prohibited it.
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  1. +3
    9 October 2018 16: 06
    In today's realities, dedollarization will not happen. Not those people upstairs.
    1. 0
      9 October 2018 16: 30
      Yes, at least put someone there. Realities are like this in the world. People here do little to decide
      1. 0
        10 October 2018 21: 43
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        Yes, at least put someone there. Realities are like this in the world. People here do little to decide

        the trouble is that they do not solve much. indecisive
    2. +8
      9 October 2018 16: 34
      Quote: 210ox
      In today's realities, dedollarization will not happen. Not those people upstairs.

      I completely agree .. In general, this is another PR move, our government, like a magician, an illusionist, likes to make all kinds of stuffing into society .. so as to distract from pressing problems .. Instead of outlining areas where we can achieve success and develop it .. they do garbage .. Production, industry need to be raised .. I don’t understand .. We know how to make airplanes, but how do we learn how to make machines, when we are normal, competitive in the world market? ... or what .. we don’t know how to sew cowards .. why is everything Chinese, when we have all the resources for production and they don’t?
      1. -2
        9 October 2018 16: 45
        Because these underpants made in us will be more expensive and stronger.
        1. +6
          9 October 2018 16: 59
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          Because these underpants made in us will be more expensive and stronger.

          Where did you get that? Now, probably, tell me that in China, the work force is cheaper .. so I will disappoint you, since 2015, our work force has become cheaper .. or what other arguments do you have?
          1. -2
            9 October 2018 18: 24
            Well, for the sake of laughter, try releasing it) go broke very quickly. With labor, I will also upset you. The whole north of China was cheap and remained. The point is not only cheap labor. The thing is bestowal.
          2. 0
            10 October 2018 08: 02
            Unfortunately, in our country it is very expensive and troublesome to engage in production! Reselling is easier! That's all the arguments ...
        2. +1
          9 October 2018 17: 05
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          Because these underpants made in us will be more expensive and stronger.

          Corrected. By the way, they are right. There are a lot of tax markups on finished products, they are cheaper to buy smuggled underpants or socks, and it’s legal to bring them from China, the Chinese are even trying to produce cheaper, so that their production does not stand idle and people are not without work.
          As my commander said, you load a soldier with your work — without a job this is a criminal.
          The Chinese need tenge and yuan in FIG, they need to give dollars and euros. And some don’t even transfer money to China, many to US and European banks, albeit state ones. company.
        3. 0
          9 October 2018 19: 44
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          Because these underpants made in us will be more expensive and stronger.

          You need to go to Ivanovo and buy cheap cowards there .. the soul will calm down immediately ..
          1. -2
            9 October 2018 20: 40
            You need to go to Ivanovo and buy cheap cowards there .. the soul will calm down immediately ..
            Like in Ivanovo, the cheapest working force?))
      2. 0
        9 October 2018 17: 33
        We have had good experience with airplanes since Soviet times, and we never made good cars, while the leaders in the automotive industry went far ahead. We even comprehend and comprehend their level of ten years ago. The same thing about computers, there are technologies that have been developing for decades, companies that have flocked to the best minds from around the world. We do not even catch up with them that we can, but you propose to overtake them, and even right now. We must do what we are doing well - to develop the same metallurgy, nuclear energy, and the production of synthetic materials. Why get involved in a race where the opponent has a handicap in several circles?
        1. +9
          9 October 2018 17: 52
          Quote: YarSer88
          Why get involved in a race where the opponent has a handicap in several circles?

          To survive .. the answer is obvious. No need, while chasing somewhere .. you need to set goals and achieve them. There is nothing in cars or in computers that we can’t do .. And in general, if you talk about why China and Japan (at one time) started doing this, they generally lagged behind the whole world for decades .. However, the result is now on face .. With the same words that you are now Denis Manturov explaining why everything is so with us .. This position of our leaders in power is convenient for them .. because you don’t really need to work ..
          1. 0
            9 October 2018 18: 05
            This is a position of reasonable spending of resources. You can spend a breakthrough of money on the promotion of your car industry, which will still not pay for itself, while losing time in other directions. It’s better to develop areas where there is a prospect, where we have good positions, so that then these areas will be followed by less successful industries. Japan and China found their strengths, due to which they extended all sectors, including the automotive industry and electronics - Japan due to financing from the USA, China due to cheap labor. We have not yet observed such factors, and people do not want to work. In the same Japan, work is almost the meaning of life, such a mentality. We need to change ourselves, then it will turn out.
            1. +9
              9 October 2018 19: 13
              Quote: YarSer88
              This is a position of reasonable spending of resources. You can spend a breakthrough on the promotion of your car industry,

              So China and Japan didn’t have any resources ..
              Quote: YarSer88
              which all the same will not pay for itself,

              If the product is competitive and of high quality, it will pay for itself .. it’s elementary .. S400 pays for itself, despite the sanctions, Kalashnikov, I mean the machine ..
              Quote: YarSer88
              while losing time in other directions.

              This is in what areas? Extract natural resources?
              Quote: YarSer88
              where we have good positions

              Where there is a good position, everything is already on self-sufficiency and there should be a development budget .. this is why you don’t really have to go there, everything is fine there anyway ..
              Quote: YarSer88
              Japan due to financing from the USA, China due to cheap labor. We don’t have such factors yet,

              What are you saying laughing Since 2015, our labor force has been cheaper than in China, we are completely self-sufficient in terms of resources and energy, and energy can be the cheapest in the world ..
              Quote: YarSer88
              and people don’t want to work.

              You my friend amaze me completely .. people do not want to work? Of course, no one wants to work for 15 .. You pay 000-150, you’ll know how they will work ..
              Quote: YarSer88
              We need to change ourselves, then it will turn out.

              Here I agree with you .. only the vector of changes needs to be determined ..
              1. +2
                9 October 2018 19: 49
                So China and Japan didn’t have any resources ..

                So they bought them from us for free
                If the product is competitive and of high quality, it will pay for itself .. it’s elementary .. S400 pays for itself, despite the sanctions, Kalashnikov, I mean the machine ..

                Where there is a good position, everything is already on self-sufficiency and there should be a development budget .. this is why you don’t really have to go there, everything is fine there anyway ..

                They themselves put forward the thesis, they themselves answered it - beauty. That's right, there are locomotive areas, they need to be developed by investing a budget (to squeeze out competitors and expand their market share). This is what any company does when it hits the "ceiling of the free market" when there is nowhere to develop extensively further. They choose a locomotive product, pump money into marketing, remove competitors from the market, and then pull up other directions, due to the pulling locomotive (as a rule, diversification and the search for parallel routes go on further).
                This is in what areas? Extract natural resources?

                1. Metalworking. We have relatively cheap electricity, competitive technologies, there is nothing left to do, to beat out the state program to re-equip leading plants with modern equipment (the same NLMK is a good example), and then subsidize the export of high value-added products. 5 years of such support, and we will forget what the export of raw metal and semi-finished products.
                2. Construction and maintenance of nuclear power plants. Unfortunately, I do not have information on this market, but our technologies are competitive, why not compete for foreign markets? It is necessary to identify weaknesses that impede development in this area, and find a way to address them. Perhaps such work is underway, but massive international contracts have not yet been observed.
                3. Transport services. Here, I think, it’s clear. If some Estonia was able to rise on the haulage of containers from the port to Russia, can we really not use our position between rich Europe and export-oriented China - a global consumer goods factory for which Maersk has barely enough containers?
                4. Air transportation. Why do foreign airlines still fly here in Russia? This is blasphemy! Again, banal subsidies from state funds for domestic transportation will help squeeze out competitors and revitalize domestic airlines, which will feel quite comfortable in the domestic market. When it comes to flow, you can already start making money on it, while in our country domestic transportation is oversaturated with supply. In the future, start pushing for the development of international transport.
                5. Woodworking. In Siberia, the forest is an almost inexhaustible resource, while the southern steppe neighbors are clearly deprived of it. You don’t even have to drive far. Only crush round timber and cheap lumber with export duties, let the finished products produce, or building materials, and not semi-finished products (the same glued beam).
                6. Agriculture. Little, damn it, Israel - feeds the floor of the world. And their situation is much worse than ours, warm - yes, but arid. Unreasoned steps are being taken here, such as the Far Eastern hectare, but, I think, it would be more efficient to adopt the experience of the kibbutzim. Plus, the longing for communism would be delighted. This is a really effective agricultural production system.
                this is what immediately came to mind. Only one BUT! The head of the companies should not be nouveau riche, for whom all the money is scarce, but business executives, who are just emerging from us.

                Since 2015, our labor force has been cheaper than in China, we are completely self-sufficient in terms of resources and energy, and energy can be the cheapest in the world ..

                We have already caught up in prices with China on many products. The good thing about the crisis is that now many companies are being "fine-tuned" and unnecessary expenses are being cut. I think we are on the right track in this regard, we'll see what happens in 10 years.
                You my friend amaze me completely .. people do not want to work? Of course, no one wants to work for 15 .. You pay 000-150, you’ll know how they will work ..

                You put the cart in front of the horse. First you need to work for 200, only after that they will be paid. The people are busy with anything, but not work, units of those who are really investing, pay them 000 - in a year they will ask 200, and they will also celebrate the loafer. Do you think the money is falling from the sky on the owner of the company? As a company earns, so people get paid. Gazprom, for example, used to pay several times higher than average because the margin there is high. Here, of course, the example is bad, but striking - the company earns a lot - employees earn a lot.
                1. +4
                  9 October 2018 20: 16
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  They themselves put forward the thesis, they themselves answered it - beauty. That's right, there are locomotive areas, they need to be developed by investing a budget (to squeeze out competitors and expand their market share). This is what any company does when it hits the "ceiling of the free market" when there is nowhere to develop extensively further. They choose a locomotive product, pump money into marketing, remove competitors from the market, and then pull up other directions, due to the pulling locomotive (as a rule, diversification and the search for parallel routes go on further).

                  The locomotive direction, that is, successful at a given point in time, needs to be supported, or rather they will support themselves, but development needs to be exactly where we are significantly behind .. And the state, together with business, should invest money there .. You can’t approach this so, ka you wrote above .. that they say are behind .. you need to forget ..
                  I still agree that you can forget about light industry .. to hell with it, it’s not so priority .. but the automotive industry - this industry pulls another 1000 others .. gives a high additional cost, a lot of jobs ... image .. in general .. here you are wrong 100%
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  . Metalworking. We have relatively cheap electricity, competitive technologies, there is nothing left to do, to beat out the state program to re-equip leading plants with modern equipment (the same NLMK is a good example), and then subsidize the export of high value-added products. 5 years of such support, and we will forget what the export of raw metal and semi-finished products.

                  I agree .. I’ll even add that our energy (gas, gasoline, electricity) can and should be even cheaper ..
                  1. +1
                    9 October 2018 20: 26
                    Quote: Svarog
                    The locomotive direction, that is, successful at a given moment in time, needs to be supported, or rather they will support themselves, but development needs to be exactly where we are significantly behind .. And the state, together with business, must invest money there ..

                    Our locomotive directions, so far, remain very weak in absolute terms, they are simply stronger directions relative to others. They have commercial potential, but it's like proven oil reserves. The state needs to be helped to extract this potential. After that, it will be possible to tighten the lagging industries. There can be no question of forgetting, you just need to focus on those areas where there is already progress. So far, our "economic framework" is the export of energy resources (including unprocessed metal - in fact, we are selling electricity spent on ore smelting, the added value there is minimal). It is necessary to get away from the only support - this, as you know, is an unstable position, to bring the number of "supports" to at least 5-6. I think our agricultural land area is comparable to Argentina, where agriculture is the backbone of the economy. Why don't we develop agriculture to the level of Argentina? It will pull along with it, just the aforementioned automotive industry, the same Kamaz, GAZ, Ural will revive, CHETRA, I think, will also not stand aside.
                    1. +4
                      9 October 2018 20: 51
                      Quote: YarSer88
                      Our locomotive directions, so far, remain very weak in absolute assessment, they are simply stronger directions relative to others

                      They will not and never were weak .. because oil and gas are not produced, they are extracted, they are not renewable energy sources, for this reason we will always be equally strong in this industry .. at least until we choose everything from land ..
                      Quote: YarSer88
                      So far, our "economic framework" is the export of energy resources

                      Funds from our economic caracas are stored and work for other states, instead of just developing production ..
                      Quote: YarSer88
                      Why don't we develop agriculture to the level of Argentina? It will pull, just the aforementioned automotive industry, the same Kamaz, GAZ, the Urals will revive, FOUR, I think, also will not be left out.

                      Agriculture is generally the security of the country .. for this it is not necessary to develop it, but what the automotive industry will entail ... there is not a fact yet .. Everything will depend, again. how competitive will our automotive industry be ..
                      1. 0
                        9 October 2018 21: 39
                        Quote: Svarog
                        They will not and never were weak .. because oil and gas are not produced, they are extracted, they are not renewable energy sources, for this reason we will always be equally strong in this industry .. at least until we choose everything from land ..

                        I deliberately did not mention oil and gas; these, as you absolutely rightly noted, are temporary, tactical directions. It is necessary to pull up other sectors to the level of energy. However, the priority should be precisely those industries that are strong in themselves, because developing them will be corny cheaper. When we have oil and a couple of other directions will occupy 20-25% in the structure of GDP, then it will be possible to tackle more costly ones, since the income structure will be stable enough to pull the costs of developing lagging industries. I consider it a mistake in the existing realities to develop areas such as automotive (especially light), digital technologies, material-intensive industries like large-capacity shipbuilding (although I would like to puzzle Crimean shipyards), since their development requires huge investments with unpredictable results. It is better to invest in something that has already proved its effectiveness, develop it even more, and then, using the additional stable income, direct our efforts to these sectors.
                2. +4
                  9 October 2018 20: 32
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  2. Construction and maintenance of nuclear power plants

                  So we are already ahead of the rest in this .. for this reason, this sector cannot be considered as a priority for development ..
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  3. Transport services.

                  And here this cannot be a priority .. it’s enough to create the infrastructure .. that is, you don’t really need to invest much mind here ..
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  5. Woodworking. In Siberia, the forest is an almost inexhaustible resource, while the southern steppe neighbors are clearly deprived of it. You don’t even have to drive far. Only crush round timber and cheap lumber with export duties, let the finished products produce, or building materials, and not semi-finished products (the same glued beam).

                  I completely agree .. but they don’t even do that .. I mean, due to the round timber duty ..
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  6. Agriculture. Little, damn it, Israel - feeds the floor of the world. And their situation is much worse than ours, warm - yes, but arid. Unreasoned steps are being taken here, such as the Far Eastern hectare, but, I think, it would be more efficient to adopt the experience of the kibbutzim. Plus, the longing for communism would be delighted. This is a really effective agricultural production system.

                  Here, in general, what is called God himself ordered ..
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  So China and Japan didn’t have any resources ..

                  So they bought them from us for free
                  If the product is competitive and of high quality, it will pay for itself .. it’s elementary .. S400 pays for itself, despite the sanctions, Kalashnikov, I mean the machine ..

                  Where there is a good position, everything is already on self-sufficiency and there should be a development budget .. this is why you don’t really have to go there, everything is fine there anyway ..

                  They themselves put forward the thesis, they themselves answered it - beauty. That's right, there are locomotive areas, they need to be developed by investing a budget (to squeeze out competitors and expand their market share). This is what any company does when it hits the "ceiling of the free market" when there is nowhere to develop extensively further. They choose a locomotive product, pump money into marketing, remove competitors from the market, and then pull up other directions, due to the pulling locomotive (as a rule, diversification and the search for parallel routes go on further).
                  This is in what areas? Extract natural resources?

                  1. Metalworking. We have relatively cheap electricity, competitive technologies, there is nothing left to do, to beat out the state program to re-equip leading plants with modern equipment (the same NLMK is a good example), and then subsidize the export of high value-added products. 5 years of such support, and we will forget what the export of raw metal and semi-finished products.
                  2. Construction and maintenance of nuclear power plants. Unfortunately, I do not have information on this market, but our technologies are competitive, why not compete for foreign markets? It is necessary to identify weaknesses that impede development in this area, and find a way to address them. Perhaps such work is underway, but massive international contracts have not yet been observed.
                  3. Transport services. Here, I think, it’s clear. If some Estonia was able to rise on the haulage of containers from the port to Russia, can we really not use our position between rich Europe and export-oriented China - a global consumer goods factory for which Maersk has barely enough containers?
                  4. Air transportation. Why do foreign airlines still fly here in Russia? This is blasphemy! Again, banal subsidies from state funds for domestic transportation will help squeeze out competitors and revitalize domestic airlines, which will feel quite comfortable in the domestic market. When it comes to flow, you can already start making money on it, while in our country domestic transportation is oversaturated with supply. In the future, start pushing for the development of international transport.
                  5. Woodworking. In Siberia, the forest is an almost inexhaustible resource, while the southern steppe neighbors are clearly deprived of it. You don’t even have to drive far. Only crush round timber and cheap lumber with export duties, let the finished products produce, or building materials, and not semi-finished products (the same glued beam).
                  6. Agriculture. Little, damn it, Israel - feeds the floor of the world. And their situation is much worse than ours, warm - yes, but arid. Unreasoned steps are being taken here, such as the Far Eastern hectare, but, I think, it would be more efficient to adopt the experience of the kibbutzim. Plus, the longing for communism would be delighted. This is a really effective agricultural production system.
                  this is what immediately came to mind. Only one BUT! The head of the companies should not be nouveau riche, for whom all the money is scarce, but business executives, who are just emerging from us.

                  Since 2015, our labor force has been cheaper than in China, we are completely self-sufficient in terms of resources and energy, and energy can be the cheapest in the world ..

                  We have already caught up in prices with China on many products. The good thing about the crisis is that now many companies are being "fine-tuned" and unnecessary expenses are being cut. I think we are on the right track in this regard, we'll see what happens in 10 years.
                  You my friend amaze me completely .. people do not want to work? Of course, no one wants to work for 15 .. You pay 000-150, you’ll know how they will work ..

                  You put the cart in front of the horse. First you need to work for 200, only after that they will be paid. The people are busy with anything, but not work, units of those who are really investing, pay them 000 - in a year they will ask 200, and they will also celebrate the loafer. Do you think the money is falling from the sky on the owner of the company? As a company earns, so people get paid. Gazprom, for example, used to pay several times higher than average because the margin there is high. Here, of course, the example is bad, but striking - the company earns a lot - employees earn a lot.

                  No, of course .. First the motivation must be created by the employer, correct, balanced, aimed at achieving the result, and then ask the result from the employee .. And we do not know what motivation every manager knows .. not to mention what else would she and it was aimed at the result .. Stupidly they pay a penny and that's all .. at the same time they consider the employee lazy or whatever .. but they see the problem in him, and not in themselves .. Where they pay good money .. above the market. . there is always a better and better result .. And Western companies understand all this, that’s why they are successful .. and ours has the approach that you voiced, first I will earn a few lard, then maybe I’ll raise 3 zp .. The main value - these are people, they argue just like that in American, European companies, but they say ... garbage, we’ll find a new one for a penny ..
                  1. +1
                    9 October 2018 20: 52
                    Quote: Svarog
                    3. Transport services.

                    And here this cannot be a priority .. it’s enough to create the infrastructure .. that is, you don’t really need to invest much mind here ..

                    I do not agree. This is exactly the approach now - we will build a branch for you, and you use it. My vision is what: to create a ten-year state project to supply cheap food to the Far East and Sakhalin. To do this, introduce 4 target programs:
                    1) In agricultural regions (Chernozemye, southern Siberia, Volga region, Kuban) declare a guaranteed redemption of agricultural products at market prices. This will spur the development of agricultural land
                    2) Build the second branch of the Trans-Siberian Railway - exclusively freight, so that freight trains do not stand idle due to passenger trains. This will reduce the period of transportation of goods to two weeks (now about a month)
                    3) Create a transport company on the balance of the state, with subsequent privatization, which will load the Trans-Siberian Railway by transporting agricultural goods from the European part. Take on time the logistics costs of the state. This will create a traffic flow from Asia to Europe (the trains will not go empty with the Far East, they will load something).
                    4) To subsidize the retail sale of agricultural products in the Far East region, with subsequent privatization. The issue is the construction of distribution centers, warehouses, retail premises. This should be done as soon as possible, at first it is impossible to attract such private investments.
                    For each item, timelines, target levels and performance indicators should be clearly stated. It should be IMMEDIATELY agreed that a freebie is not forever while you are being bought back - look for sales in the east, while you have loading east, look for loading west, while your logistics is free - invest in marketing. It is clear that there are a lot of subtle points here, this is more a vision than a concrete plan. However, this way transport infrastructure will be profitable. Trains under full load at such distances are a pretty lucrative affair. And if you stupidly throw a branch - it will still be empty.
                    Quote: Svarog
                    And here, not every manager knows what motivation is .. not to mention that she also aims at the result .. Stupidly they pay a penny and that’s all .. at the same time they consider the employee lazy or whatever .. but the problem it is in him that they see, and not in themselves ..

                    The problem of managers is catastrophic, I agree. Managers must be raised, they do not appear at one point. But at our head of the business, mostly, the brothers stood. They now need to squeeze all the juices and have a walk. But this will gradually level off - the children of the brothers, who grew up in comfort and wealth, since their parents will not be able to control, the grip is not the same, they are pushed back. Just business executives will come to replace. Then, most likely, the attitude towards the team will be different. We had a forum of entrepreneurs where issues of motivation and avoiding the standard salary system were discussed. So, many have already realized that squeezing out all the juices from employees and changing them for fresh ones is a dead end tactic. Personally, I have already implemented such a system at my place, it really works, but before that, a lot of people had to change, because people used to talk like this: you pay me, and I will work as it turns out. So, the fault is often on the employees themselves, they absolutely do not want to take the first step towards effective work.
                    1. +4
                      9 October 2018 23: 39
                      Quote: YarSer88
                      The problem of managers is catastrophic, I agree. Managers must be raised, they do not appear at one point. But at our head of the business, mostly, the brothers stood. They now need to squeeze all the juices and have a walk. But it will slowly level out

                      The fact of the matter is that this will not level out .. unfortunately. I also thought so, but 20 years have passed and everything is as before .. yes, many, more than 80% of the brothers went broke .. but they are replaced by stupid hucksters, who simply have connections and access to money ..
                      Quote: YarSer88
                      So, the fault is often on the employees themselves, they absolutely do not want to take the first step towards effective work.

                      Not an employee sets the rules of the game .. just like a non-citizen tells the state what to do .. If you have your own business and hired people, my advice is to create just the right motivation and implement it, after explaining everything to people beforehand .. Effect will not keep you waiting ..
                  2. -3
                    9 October 2018 20: 55
                    Quote: Svarog
                    The main value is people, this is the reasoning in American, European companies.

                    Someone tricked you. Just don't heal me - I worked for foreign firms for half my life ... you give a real "exhaust" (not to be confused with fumes wink ) - they hold you and even allow some liberties (within reason, essno). There is no use for you - they will throw them on ... away, and they won’t remember what to call.

                    Quote: Svarog
                    Where good money is paid .. above the market .. there is always a higher and better result ..

                    Because there competition and "natural selection" (see above).
                    Therefore, they work better, because only those who work there are able to stay there. And the others, if by chance and fall, do not linger for a long time.

                    Quote: Svarog
                    First, there must be motivation created by the employer, correct, balanced, aimed at achieving results

                    Are you talking about loot, or rather, the amount of it? And where does that "employer" get it from? YarSer88 he described everything absolutely correctly - the more a company earns, the greater the salary it has the ability to pay. And you hit populism again request

                    By the way, reminded:

                    Quote: A&B Strugatsky, Lame Destiny
                    ... Now this Oil Union shouts all the time, that, they say, if he was paid, like Alexei, he would have written like Leo. He lies, the hack. Pay him no matter what, he will still write d-mo. Give him at least five hundred per sheet, at least seven hundred, anyway he will go on saying: to study well, children, it’s very good, but to study badly, damn it, it’s no good, and you can’t offend little ones ...


                    So that's it ... Svarog laughing
                    1. +5
                      9 October 2018 23: 52
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Someone tricked you. Just don't heal me - I worked for foreign firms for half my life ... you give a real "exhaust" (not to be confused with fumes) - they hold you and even allow some liberties (within reason, essno). There is no benefit from you - they will throw you away ... and they will not remember what to call you.

                      Golovan, you are working as a system administrator .. if I'm not mistaken? I also worked for 20 years in Western offices .. 10 for American and 10 for European .. Therefore, as I said earlier .. it’s true .. but you understood this, because you understood laughing That's right, they won’t keep loafers there .. that's why they say that the main value is people .. This worked especially well in the early 2000s until 2010 .. further, the situation began to change there for the worse .. Reason to that, in the directors .. In the 2000s, it was all not ours)) And everything was fine .. But then, domestic managers began to penetrate into TOP management .. and everything started to go .. they began to look at people not by reason but by achievements, but by the way he blows and sings in chorus ..
                      Quote: Golovan Jack

                      Because there is competition and "natural selection" (see above).
                      Therefore, they work better, because only those who work there are able to stay there. And the others, if by chance and fall, do not linger for a long time.

                      So I'm talking about .. more you pay more demand ..
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Are you talking about loot, or rather, the amount of it? And where does that "employer" get it from? YarSer88 described everything quite correctly - the more a company earns, the higher the salary it can pay. And you again hit populism

                      Golovan, the loot is a consequence of a properly built motivational scheme that is directly linked to the profit of the enterprise .. you see ... you also don’t know what motivation is ... This is what motivates people to accomplish exploits and it’s not always money .. it is a set of measures aimed at achieving results ..
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      ... Now this Oil Union is screaming all the time, that, they say, if he was paid, like Alexei, he would have written like Leo. He's lying, hack. Pay him no matter what, he will still write d-mo. Give him at least five hundred per sheet, at least seven hundred, anyway he will go on saying: to study well, children, this is very good, but to study badly, byaky, this is no good, and you can’t offend little ones ...


                      So that's it ... Svarog

                      Golovan, this last comment of yours just emphasizes that you don’t understand the topic at all ..
                      1. -4
                        10 October 2018 09: 38
                        Are we all trawling? laughing Your comment can be briefly described as follows: much about nothing. Zero specifics, but many many points. For greater sake, essno Yes

                        Example: please

                        Quote: Svarog
                        ... a properly built motivational scheme that is directly linked to the profit of the enterprise ...

                        - to the studio. From your own experience, preferably you

                        Quote: Svarog
                        I also worked for 20 years in Western offices .. 10 for American and 10 for European ..

                        Let's laugh together. Not the worst option for you, by the way wink

                        Quote: Svarog
                        this is your last comment ...

                        ... far from the last, do not even hope ...

                        Quote: Svarog
                        just emphasizes that you are not at all familiar with the topic ..

                        Chatter. Let’s give specifics to what I don’t understand at all, and you - oooo-oo-oo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!
                3. LMN
                  +3
                  9 October 2018 22: 49
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  1. Metalworking. We have relatively cheap electricity, competitive technologies, there is nothing left to do, to beat out the state program to re-equip leading plants with modern equipment (the same NLMK is a good example), and then subsidize the export of high value-added products. 5 years of such support, and we will forget what the export of raw metal and semi-finished products.

                  Metallurgy is a very specific area. Since this industry is strategic (for any state), there simply does not exist a "free market" request Everything "rests" on various quotas and restrictions. Which is logical, all states are forced to support their metallurgy and no matter how competitive it is. Yes In other words, it doesn’t matter what quality our products will be, we can only sell a certain amount of product for export!
                  Remember the story when the Russian Federation put up for sale the state part of MMK shares. When, in order for the controlling block of shares not to reach the Mittal Steel Company, the issue was resolved at the level of GDP, which said (they even showed in the news): Everything needs to be done to the plant remained in the hands of owners from the Russian Federation.

                  I think your first point is not a very good example. hi
                4. +7
                  10 October 2018 06: 25
                  I don’t know how in large cities, and in the provinces the authorities do not allow to pay. There are several examples when new owners tried to raise their sn, but they were threatened by the governor. As a result, we have - what we have, there are no specialists, those who do not understand what they are doing with rare exceptions, and the leadership of the baroban does not know at all how it works so far. Even a new workshop is being built through such a train. Not yet built, but already visible shoals. And all because not experts were engaged. And the experts who were involved threw them. And they got an unfinished project.
                  Even now, communicating with design organizations, you find yourself with such "specialists" that you are amazed.
                  In the province, a global conspiracy on zp. My company can pay 100k. Why pay above average? And people are leaving. In China, our experts are very respected. Because the specifics of the work of Europe and Russia are different. We are used to collecting candy from fikaly, inventing, finishing, reinventing, repairing what is written off in the West and works for us. Example for a month 3 registrars at 100-125k rubles were restored. Prizes 0. According to management, we should repair everything. From engine to controller. And we are just an operation that should not go anywhere.
                  1. dSK
                    0
                    10 October 2018 08: 38
                    Quote: Aingof
                    Why pay above average? And people are leaving

                    Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev wrote an article entitled Russia-2024: A Strategy for Social and Economic Development, which appeared in the October issue of the scientific journal Issues of Economics. However, the Prime Minister did not allow himself to avoid uncomfortable topics, boldly dissecting economic realities with statistics and a wide range of scientific methods. The prime minister touched not only economic, but also social issues. The article is about raising the retirement age, and the policy of "tightening belts" in the crisis, and about innovation as a new development vector.
                    One of the prime minister’s most striking findings is that the country lacks officials, with which Russia could conquer new digital and innovative heights.
                    24-page article, Medvedev talks about the competition of people and robots, mortgages, poverty in the country. So, he states that Russia managed to avoid a political crisis. He also states that emerging from the economic crisis, the country must wait several years for the transition to sustainable growth. Medvedev quoted Eisenhower and scientifically substantiated pension reform
                    1. +1
                      10 October 2018 08: 55
                      Well yes. Seven with a spoon, one with a bipod.
                    2. +1
                      10 October 2018 10: 11
                      Quote from dsk
                      One of the prime minister’s most striking conclusions is that the country lacks officials with which Russia could conquer new digital and innovative heights.

                      In fact, this thought has more than it might seem at first glance. There are practically no officials in the country who can help conquer new heights. Basically, these are grabbers who got to the feeding trough, you won’t conquer any heights with them - you have to drag him like a plow. The trouble in our country is with managers, there are few of them, but in the state apparatus there is none at all, with rare exceptions.
        2. -1
          9 October 2018 18: 35
          This is what kind of aircraft we have good practices, ha ha? With the Superjet, failure ... MS 21 seems to be waiting for the same fate. What else is there?
          And what is the problem with our cars? What are we behind?
          1. 0
            9 October 2018 18: 41
            And what is our SSJ failure? A stable portfolio of orders, albeit with government assistance, the project is developing, localized (for engines, for example), I do not see a failure. According to MS 21 - it will be put into series, then we will discuss it, while it’s too early to judge. In military aviation, we are one of the best manufacturers in the world.
            For cars, it’s just a very gloomy picture: the image works against us, there are no developments in the field of on-board computers, automatic transmissions, in general - all that without which expensive high-quality cars can not even be tried to be produced. Our auto industry is precisely to get from point A to point B, it does not rise above it. Either you need to buy the technology for the production of key components, or put up with this situation. For almost 20 years, on-board computers have been developed in Germany, Japan, the USA, and China, where technology has already gone quite far ahead, we even don’t have any very poorly working base, we only install ready-made components. The only option is as Sollers, a screwdriver with subsequent localization, Kamaz went the same way. But there will be no breakthrough, no one is selling the latest technology.
            1. 0
              9 October 2018 19: 16
              Quote: YarSer88
              We must do what we are doing well - to develop the same metallurgy, nuclear energy, and the production of synthetic materials. Why get involved in a race where the opponent has a handicap in several circles?
              For cars, it’s just a very gloomy picture: the image works against us, there are no developments in the field of on-board computers, automatic transmissions, in general - all that without which expensive high-quality cars can not even be tried to be produced.

              You contradict yourself. You declare that it is necessary to move where there is groundwork, and immediately complain about the absence thereof in certain areas. Everything needs to be developed in oneself. Not to enter the foreign market, but for yourself. The sanctions showed and taught a visual lesson where and in what we have a full paragraph. This is what you need to do. Well, if the products are competitive, they themselves will pave the way to the foreign market.
              1. +1
                9 October 2018 19: 58
                Quote: helmi8
                You contradict yourself. You declare that it is necessary to move where there are achievements, and right then you complain about the lack thereof in certain areas.

                And where is the contradiction? We are not good in all areas -> in some areas we are good -> they need to be developed. I see no contradiction.
                Quote: helmi8
                Not to enter the foreign market, but for yourself.

                The distribution channel is not the main thing. The main focus, the totality of state participation with the involvement of private capital. While we have business in itself, the state itself, only recently began to create industrial clusters, both near St. Petersburg and near Kaluga. This had to be done a long time ago. Literally in ten years the Kaluga region has been transformed beyond recognition. This should be done in all priority areas, working out targeted support programs and regularly implementing them. The instability of the conditions frightens away a lot of people when you already owe everything, and no one guarantees sales. Young shoots are tied up to a stanchion, and business, on the contrary, barely sprouted - right there with scythes and scythes they run in, let's harvest right away.
                Everything needs to be developed in oneself.

                All at once - tear. At least to pull out targeted projects. Yes, start with infrastructure. So far, everything is somehow chaotic: there is the Crimean bridge, there is the Trans-Siberian Railway, there is a network of highways from Moscow to all the neighboring capitals. Why not unite in a single network and start regular cargo routes in these directions? In general, the Trans-Siberian Railway should pump like a gold mine, throw a parallel freight branch and start railway transportation of containers from China to Europe, or to freight hubs in the Moscow Region, followed by reloading onto enemy wagons. Here, immediately, and the development of regions, and internal logistics, and economic relations, everything will be in the black.
                1. +1
                  9 October 2018 22: 27
                  Quote: YarSer88
                  And where is the contradiction?

                  Here is your first post on the topic ...
                  We must do what we do well - develop the same metallurgy, nuclear power, and the production of synthetic materials. Why get involved in a race where the opponent has a head start in several circles?

                  And now you already agree that we need to develop what we are lagging behind.
                  And more
                  The distribution channel is not the main thing.

                  Controversial statement for a market economy ...
                  The Transsib generally has to rock like a gold mine, throw parallel load line and launch railway transportation of containers from China to Europe

                  It's a good idea, but can you imagine how much it costs and how long will it take to reconnoitre 10000 km of track? And our government: "There is no money, but you hold on ..."
                  1. 0
                    10 October 2018 10: 26
                    Again,
                    We must do what we do well
                    And not
                    get involved in a race where the opponent has a handicap in several circles

                    This is my idea - the emphasis needs to be placed on those industries that work well now, and not on the lagging ones. To make it clearer: we have competitive industries, there are neglected ones. I propose to direct efforts to develop competitive industries in the first place, and not lagging behind, in which our competitors have an advantage. I do not see the contradictions.
                    Quote: helmi8
                    The distribution channel is not the main thing.
                    Controversial statement for a market economy ...

                    Yes, I put it incorrectly, the main thing is not a sales channel, the main thing is to increase the competitiveness of our products in general, without being tied to a specific sales channel. The phrase "distribution channel is not the main thing" could be interpreted as "it is not important to sell, it is important to produce," which, of course, I did not mean.
                    Quote: helmi8
                    It's a good idea, but can you imagine how much it costs and how long will it take to reconnoitre 10000 km of track? And our government: "There is no money, but you hold on ..."

                    I imagine the investments are colossal, which is why the state should make them. Private business will never consider such investments under current conditions. But the potential of this branch is comparable. Especially if you build two freight hubs: one on the Far East, the other somewhere in the Smolensk region. Yes, even without them, the branch will be loaded at 200%.
            2. -1
              9 October 2018 20: 36
              1. The failure with SSJ in us is that none of the foreigners wants to take it anymore, well the Mexicans have not abandoned the operation, although they were going to. The reason is poor quality and service.
              According to MS 21- conclusions on SSJ made? No. Then where and what are the prerequisites that the situation does not happen again? There are none of them.
              In addition, how can we talk about "developments in aviation" on the example of SSJ, when it contains over 80% of foreign-made components, from avionics to engines? Whose work is this? Partners, and they will not share with us.
              Production is localized - where is it, in parallel reality? Where is this engine?
              2. And what is there in the middle and large segment, where more than 90% of the money is concentrated? Silence. Where is the replacement in small aircraft? No her.
              3. According to the military, we only have clones of Su 27, do not call them. How long will it last? Let's wait until the few remaining customers say - everything, no more? What else is new there? Shippers, attack aircraft, bombers, interceptors - what of this?
              1. 0
                9 October 2018 21: 19
                Quote: Beringovsky
                The failure with SSJ in us is that none of the foreigners wants to take it anymore, well, the Mexicans have not abandoned the operation, although they were going to. The reason is poor quality and service.

                1. On July 16, 2018, as part of the Farnborough Air Show, Alexander Rubtsov, president of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, and Caesar Catagno, founder and shareholder of Peruvian Airlines, signed a preliminary agreement of intent to acquire Russian civilian aircraft. The agreement of intent includes an application for the purchase of 10 SSJ 100 aircraft and 10 MS-21 aircraft.
                https://www.aex.ru/news/2018/7/16/186277/
                2. cityjet (cityjet), Ireland ordered: 15 options: 16 http://superjet.wikidot.com/airline:cityjet
                Somehow
                Aeroflot is still pulling the bulk, of course, but the development of communications is also not a quick process. Competitors also do not want to lose ground.
                Quote: Beringovsky
                According to MS 21- conclusions on SSJ made? No.

                Are you so sure about that? Apparently, you attend meetings on the development of MS 21? Or is it just that the media does not cover it? Well Duc media is more profitable to post an accident, there are more views. Or another duck about "squares".
                Quote: Beringovsky

                Production is localized - where is it, in parallel reality? Where is this engine?

                Read about SaM146 at your leisure. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3332210
                Read from there
                ... the task is to increase the level of localization of engine production in the Russian Federation, two-stage work is planned: at the first stage - with an increase in the degree of localization to 55%, at the second stage - up to 80%.

                Quote: Beringovsky
                And what is there in the middle and large segment, where more than 90% of the money is concentrated? Silence.

                On average - MS 21, in large - the next stage. There is no information so far, but rarely anyone trumpets their plans. There will be projects - we will discuss.
                1. +1
                  9 October 2018 21: 51
                  1. An agreement of intent is about nothing. Promising doesn't mean getting married. How many laughed at the non-brothers, when they boasted of such "intentions" according to Antonov, and themselves there. I'm not talking about the ridiculous figure of 10 boards. Especially against the background of the forecast in demand for several thousand such aircraft up to 24 years.
                  2. "Read about SaM146 at your leisure" again promises? Yes, yes, achievements in the future, but you can be proud now ... yes, but what about PD12 / 14? Ftopku?
                  3. And what do we have in big? Nothing yet. It would be something - they would shout from every iron.
                  1. 0
                    9 October 2018 22: 03
                    Agreements of intent are the basis for the contract. That's how the sales people work. However, this means that the product is interesting, otherwise there would be no agreements. It’s silly to laugh at the neighbors, I never supported this, and did you track Antonov’s sales? There are statistics without speculation? 10 sides, by the way, are not so small for the first batch. They will buy, run in, calculate the economy, then we can talk about further orders. No one immediately takes a new product in large volumes, this is stupid. Mexico, by the way, if memory serves, also began with an agreement of intent and a trial batch.
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    Yes, yes, future achievements, but you can be proud now ... yes, but what about PD12 / 14? Ftopku?

                    PD in parallel. It will be better - they will take PD. Sam has already been tested, worked out, why abandon it, just because it is joint? In general, what is the characteristic "localization"? It is very similar to trying to "take on the weak". Nobody proves anything to anyone, if it is more profitable at home - they produce at home, if it is more profitable to buy - they buy. People think in other categories, they do not need hurray-patriotism at all. The achievement of the same for SaM is that we bought the technology and organized the assembly. Be that as it may, the end product with high added value is produced by us. We will also produce semi-finished products - spare parts that are more profitable to produce here, and not in France on well-oiled lines.
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    And what do we have in big? Nothing yet. It would be something - they would shout from every iron.

                    Not yet. No and no trial. We will discuss when it will be.
                    1. 0
                      9 October 2018 23: 26
                      "There are statistics without speculation? 10 boards, by the way, is not so little, for the first batch"
                      Yes, please - for example, the competitor of the Superjet Brazilian Embraer - only firm orders of 1835 pieces and another 435 options. Compare with the Superjet - 10 pcs.
                      "No one immediately takes a new product in large volumes, it's stupid"
                      The first batch ?! Yes, he has been flying since 2011! What new product are you talking about? !!
                      "They will buy it, run it in, calculate the economy, then we can talk about further orders" - haven't they run it in for 7 years of operation? !!)))))) and the economy hasn’t been counted ?! This is the number ... unexpectedly
                      Sam 146 - component manufacturers.
                      Snecma - hot part, aggregates, etc.
                      Aircelle (fr.) - pipelines, electrical harnesses, etc.
                      Techspace Aero (fr.) - units, etc.
                      ACC La Jonchere (fr.) - pipelines, etc.
                      Avio (English) - a box of drives, an angular reducer.
                      NPO Saturn - cold part, strapping details.
                      Well, that is 80% of the engine - from abroad. That is, we funded Western engine builders and continue to finance now, wonderful. Don't you need your own? Apparently not.

                      "The achievement in terms of SaM is that we bought the technology" - we sold oil, bought the technology, an achievement. And their
                      developers apparently on the street.

                      "they produce at home, if it is more profitable to buy, they buy" - aha, but the difference is that in the first case people are employed here in Russia, in the second - abroad. In the first one, you have a school of digital construction, there is a laboratory designer, etc. and so on, but there is nothing in the second. In the first, technologies belong to you and you sell them, in the second you buy them, and with a bunch of encumbrances.

                      "People think in other categories, they don't need hurray-patriotism at all." - well, this is definitely not about you ...
                      1. 0
                        10 October 2018 10: 50
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Yes, please - for example, the competitor of the Superjet Brazilian Embraer - only firm orders of 1835 pieces and another 435 options. Compare with the Superjet - 10 pcs.

                        Well, you confirm my words - there are competitors who hold the markets, and there is a Superjet that will have to move them. Embraer is already an established player in the market, with long-term strategic investments, which are confirmed by long-term firm contracts. That is, the business is put on stream, the process is optimized, run-in, business relationships are time-tested. We have a premature product that still bring and bring, a minimum of connections, enormous pressure from competitors. And in these conditions, we manage to sell 10 boards. Well done.
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        The first batch ?! Yes, he has been flying since 2011! What new product are you talking about? !!
                        "They will buy it, run it in, count the economy, then we can talk about further orders" - haven't they run it in for 7 years of operation yet? !!)))))) and the economy hasn’t been counted ?!

                        What are 7 years old? They signed a contract a year ago. FOR THEM, this is a new product, they MYSELF must run it. Do not turn on the fool, I might think that you are really so naive.
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        sold oil, bought technology, achievement. And their
                        developers apparently on the street.

                        If our developers have comparable technologies, why didn't they agree with this technology with Saturn? Maybe because their technology is worse? And yes, selling what can be sold and buying successful technology is an achievement. Is there a better alternative? Only without utopias "we must take it and invent it ourselves in a year."

                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        yeah, but the difference is that in the first case, people are employed here in Russia, in the second - abroad. In the first, you have a school of digestion, there is a designer of the laboratory, etc. etc., but in the second there is nothing. In the first technology you own and you sell them, in the second you buy them, and with a bunch of burdens.

                        Put the cart forward of the horse. FIRST, the school of engine building, technology, suitable projects, BECAUSE already import substitution. GSS is a private company, its goal is profit making, not charity. If the market does not have our offers, they will buy abroad. Everything is simple.
            3. -2
              9 October 2018 21: 15
              Why do you need a super-advanced "on-board" computer in a middle-class car? Why is he at all? Auto to target? laughing
              Yes, there are no automatic gearboxes. But doesn’t it seem to you a glaring contradiction that we can do new generation aircraft engines (according to your words), but there is no box? Something is wrong here... belay
              But what about the rest? There is no need for any special "new technologies", there will be enough of those that are. They just need to be observed. And upgrade the equipment. Yes, Mercedes is not easy to make, and it is not necessary. But a reliable and comfortable inexpensive car for the vast majority is quite possible. And if you make a gear from metal "cheaper" on broken old machines, then the result will be appropriate, and the absence of "new technologies" has nothing to do with it.
              The problem is the dominance of "effective managers" who optimize everything and everyone, and who want to get as much dough as possible here and now, at any cost, and then even a flood.
              1. 0
                9 October 2018 21: 29
                Quote: Beringovsky
                Why do you need a super-advanced "on-board" computer in a middle-class car? Why is he at all? Auto to target?

                Are you on the bus? Sorry, but education costs money. Google, why on-board computer is installed on the car, you will learn a lot of new things. This is not only a radio and navigator.
                Quote: Beringovsky
                Yes, there are no automatic gearboxes. But doesn’t it seem to you a glaring contradiction that we can do new generation aircraft engines (according to your words), but there is no box? Something is wrong here..

                Aircraft engines are one niche with their technologies; box production is another niche. I do not understand your sarcasm. Germany, for example, makes good boxes, but they have so-so aircraft engines with a minus, storage and staff rule in this market. Well, more precisely, how are the states? This is already a multinational corporation. We bought technology for aircraft engines from storage, creating a joint PowerJet, there are no boxes yet, Renault-Nissan carries them to us, and they are obsolete. Although Vesta is said to have collected nothing like that, you can ride.
                Quote: Beringovsky
                They just have to be respected. And update the equipment.

                In order to comply with them, you need to have them, but there is no money for it, that is, there are no people who want to sell new technologies for reasonable money, they themselves want to take off the cream, damned egoists. wassat
                1. -1
                  9 October 2018 22: 18
                  Well, then why on-board computer? wassat why google, explain in your own words laughing
                  If the ECU is the way we do it. The climate control unit is also a simple thing.
                  Why "trip computer"? Without it, the car will not move from its place or what?
                  It looks like the bus ride is just you. Well, or just wipe the dust in the cabin - the rest is a car service.
                  The difference between the aircraft engine and the automatic transmission is that the first one is much more complicated. Saying that we can design and do the most complicated things like an air engine, but a simple aggregate is not enough (for some reason) - it's absurd. Maybe nobody just needs it? Is it a matter of a bridge to Sakhalin, for example, there you can cut a bunch of dough laughing
                  "We bought the technology for aircraft engines from storage, creating a joint PowerJet" - oh well !!! And before that we didn’t make aircraft engines ?! This discovery is somehow ... belay
                  By the way, if the technology has already been "bought", then why aren't we doing it? Do not give partners? crying
                  1. +1
                    10 October 2018 11: 25
                    Well, or just wipe the dust in the cabin - the rest is a car service.

                    Well, yes, as I moved from VAZ to Skoda, I try not to get into it myself without need, and time is money. So - only dust, but the wheels change. However, why do I need an on-board computer (this, by the way, is a common word, which includes the computer, the climate control unit, the processing of sensor signals and much more), I fully understand what it is for, too.
                    explain in your own words
                    They won’t pay me for your training, that's why I am sending you to Google.
                    Saying that we can design and do the most complicated things like an air engine, but a simple aggregate is not enough (for some reason) - it's absurd.

                    Technology is really not comparable. Yes, and they are different. We have many high-tech enterprises, not just aircraft engines. However, the experience in developing aircraft engines will not help in the production of automatic transmissions for the automotive industry. Nothing at all. The experience of building nuclear power plants, cosmodromes, developing Arctic oil deposits, building floating drilling stations, nuclear submarines and other developments will also help. They have no relationship to the automotive industry, although it is more complicated. For the production of automatic transmissions, you need, you will not believe, the technology for the production of automatic transmissions. To buy it is a problem, to develop it is the time for which the rest will go even further. Modern machines began to be developed 20 years ago, producing cars that were modern for those years, at the time, developments are underway, which we will see in 20 years, this is an ongoing process. Our starting position is very poor, so catching up is not an option. Not only are competitors handicap, so they also run faster. Only remains to buy.
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    By the way, if the technology has already been "bought", then why aren't we doing it? Do not give partners?

                    How not to do? We do it. What do superjets fly on? Talk nonsense. Or are you talking about localization? So you, too, most likely buy screws on the market, rather than cutting them at home, although you have the technology (well, since you are positioning yourself as a techie). It will be profitable - we will produce at our place, and the plans have a localization of 85%, which means it is profitable.
                    1. 0
                      10 October 2018 21: 01
                      why do we need an on-board computer (this, by the way, is a common word, which includes the computer

                      The ECU cannot "be part of a computer, because the ECU itself is ... a separate computer. Yeah, with its own microprocessor, memory and software loaded into it.
                      .... and the climate control unit, and the processing of sensor signals and much more

                      Yeah, and also a mouse, a keyboard, a cloth for wiping the screen, a cup of coffee and a sandwich - all this, in the opinion of the blondes, is undoubtedly a part of the computer ...
                      quite understand

                      Apparently not quite. The fact that the signal from the sensors can go directly to the devices (without a computer, in general) or directly to the computer, and everything will work - will this probably be a discovery for you?
                      Yes, I already see that you are terribly far from technology, but oh well.
                      But explain to me why, in your opinion, we can buy electronics for aircraft manufacturing, but why not for cars?
                      1. 0
                        11 October 2018 09: 49
                        Quote: Beringovsky
                        Yeah, and also a mouse, keyboard, cloth to wipe the screen, a cup of coffee and a sandwich

                        wassat laughing laughing Keyboard and mouse !! AAAA! You made my day !! laughing Even your colleagues showed your post - people refused to believe that such a thing could be written in all seriousness. Damn, I don’t even have anything to add ... I told you to go to Google, and you went to the blondes to enlighten ... Now it becomes clear to me why you can’t understand in any way that there is no connection between aircraft engines and automatic transmission. Yeah, damn it, keyboard and mouse, it’s necessary laughing
                    2. 0
                      10 October 2018 22: 34
                      For the production of automatic transmissions, you need, you will not believe, the technology for the production of automatic transmissions. To buy it is a problem, to develop it is the time for which the rest will go even further.

                      Yah? When our officials need it, then this is no longer a problem!
                      Or didn’t you hear anything about the domestic Auris super limousine, where the 9st speed automatic transmission is worth Russian development?
                      True, this car, taking into account the money spent on the development of funds, may become the most expensive in history, but what is not a pity for the ass of the Russian Official?
      3. +5
        9 October 2018 17: 57
        As soon as I hear experts from the HSE, I immediately see Gaidar, Chubais, Kudrin, and so on.
        This is their brainchild, their plans and a look into the future! Well, what with a shout of hurray again let them carry out privatization? Or do they have a new introduction to leave everything as it is, fall apart on its own, while giving any arguments? Again the same rake, the same experts, one difference "talking heads" are different negative
      4. 0
        9 October 2018 17: 58
        > all sorts of stuffing into society .. in order to distract from urgent problems, so to speak

        Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. A distraction from problems is the Skripals, who have been lurking for months, or the topic of Russian intervention, which veils any problem. In Russia, this is not nearly observed. But the practice of trial balls is observed - an idea is thrown into the information space, reprinted everywhere, a feedback is collected, and on the basis of the feedback, adjustments are made to the original plan of action.
      5. -2
        9 October 2018 20: 38
        You confuse cause and effect. More precisely, you don’t even understand the essence ..
        The best programmers in the world
        Can I proof? Well, purely for example, the 100 most relevant, most used programs in the world .. and study the number of programs written by Russian programmers?
    3. 0
      9 October 2018 17: 01
      With any people, nothing will work. Weak economy.
    4. -1
      9 October 2018 20: 33
      In today's realities, dedollarization will not happen. Not those people upstairs.
      The stupidest comment! What does the people above have to do with it? Like the people below, are no longer considered? The only tool on the top is to force the bottom to not use .. it looks exactly how to make it! But no one has canceled the forbidden fruit, which is sweet ..
  2. 0
    9 October 2018 16: 10
    the ruble simply has nowhere to go except to attach to the rearguard for the euro
    Maybe, or maybe not, in any case, this is not a question of a year or two, and even an ordinary Russian will not change the picture. And in the current situation of media attacks on the dollar, whoever has the best money for them, I understood one thing from the article, they are waiting for its new heights (especially if oil prices go down). And the advice is to take them better at the beginning of the month, when taxes and pay are paid, i.e. there is a demand for rubles, and by means of tricky fraud, the value of the dollar is minimal.
  3. +1
    9 October 2018 16: 18
    I’ve been to the EU and probably haven’t seen the dollar for 15-20 for years .... more or less the euro has settled down and has already turned into normal money. Although it is cheap for Northern Europe, and expensive for Southern Europe, it is equal for thirty years.
    1. -2
      9 October 2018 16: 33
      Yes, I have not seen him in Russia for a huge number of years. 2 bucks and a silver dollar is true) but I have them for 15 years exactly in the form of souvenirs))
  4. +4
    9 October 2018 16: 24
    the ruble has long turned into a kind of surrogate for the dollar, and a surrogate tightly tied to oil.

    It’s ridiculous. This is where the ruble is now tied to oil, feel free to ask? Has the author looked at oil quotes and the ruble exchange rate for a long time? If the ruble was tightly tied to oil, the dollar would now be in the region of 40-45 rubles. But this is somehow not observed.
    1. +1
      9 October 2018 16: 30
      See the gopher? and he is ...
      1. +1
        9 October 2018 17: 42
        Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
        See the gopher? and he is ...

        There is a gopher, the author has no arguments. The article was written to order and for practicing a piece of bread with butter.
    2. +1
      9 October 2018 16: 42
      Here is an expert from the Higher School of Economics, which means cunning and falsehood as evidence and arguments!
    3. +2
      9 October 2018 16: 51
      If you rely on the opinion of the brow from VES, then questions to the article do not arise.
      Pupils and learners of this challenge in our economy and to the helm.
      This, at least a dollar, at least a tugrik, will all come out all along Chernomyrdin.
    4. +1
      9 October 2018 18: 07
      The author is partially right, at one time the ruble was almost inversely tied to the price of a barrel, then the correlations began to diverge a little, and now for a year now the ruble was de facto untied from the dollar - it all started back in November last year, when oil flooded from 50 to 70, while the ruble stood at ~ 60 and did not move, moreover, starting from January 2018, the ruble weakened from 56 to 66-67. In fact, a year ago the idea of ​​the oil ruble ended and its price began to be formed on the basis of domestic policy, rather than external market indicators.
  5. +1
    9 October 2018 17: 37
    It’s a pity the article cannot be minus. An article, a chewer about nothing, however, the comments are the same.
    1. 0
      9 October 2018 17: 43
      For example, they would show an individual brilliance of thought to the dark realm of inertness. First, how is your comment different from the rest?
  6. +2
    9 October 2018 17: 53
    Dear author mixed everything together - rubles, dollars, euros, BRICS, EU, EAEU.

    Speaking about the euro, one should not forget that the EU was launched in 1951, only in 1979 the Ecu pseudo-currency was introduced, which existed until the 1998th year, and only after all the mechanisms got used, the euro was introduced. Europeans have passed 48 years from the Paris Agreement to a single currency. Therefore, tearing his shirt off due to the fact that the EAEU does not have a single currency, despite the fact that the ancestor of the EAEU - TS - appeared only in 2010 - such an unhealthy turbopatriotism.

    On the other hand, the author does not quite understand the current trend towards creating alliances with powerful cores. The EU is in full view with the core in Germany. In 2010, the TS (EAEU) was launched with the core in Russia, the United States pulls Mexico and Canada together. In 2004, the Union of South American States UNASUR was formed with the core in Brazil. Asia-Pacific countries pulled together by China. In fact, in 20-40 years it will be divided between unions in which each will have its own supranational currency. Therefore, of course, there will be no single BRICS currency, on the basis of which it makes no sense to theatrically worry about the role of the ruble in this union.
  7. +3
    9 October 2018 18: 02
    I can’t understand who was pulling VTB Kostin’s tongue to merge insider about USD? They say banks will not give it away, but change it for rubles at some coefficient. Citizens understood the hint and together rushed to the banks to withdraw cash.
    Apparently the conversation about this was in government circles. They are now thinking about us very much. But can you imagine a banker of a large bank in the United States or Great Britain who could do this? In principle, you can imagine, but what would happen to this banker?
    Here is silence. Even the Central Bank did not give an explanation. I remember the sidekick Ulyukaev gave an interview on TV before landing. Some citizen asked him if he should run to the exchanger, change rubles to currency. Of course not, everything is fine, the ruble is strong. A week later, the collapse ... I understand that the official, knowing the state of affairs, is not entitled to spread panic among the population. Well, streamlined.
    Oreshkin, a young man, after jumping to 67 dollars, also advised not to twitch. they say everything will return to normal. And indeed, the dollar has gone down. And now he is going back to 67. The move is clear. After Oreshkin’s statement, the Central Bank most likely threw dollars into the market. The ruble strengthened, the Minister of Energy and Economic Development, the guru, the people believed.
    1. dSK
      0
      10 October 2018 07: 42
      Quote: ROBIN-SON
      who pulled VTB Kostin’s tongue to merge insider

      Fixed-term deposits and deposits up to demand - %% differ by several times ... They rushed to withdraw $$ without waiting for deadlines, spat on %% - Bankers saved on customers.
  8. +1
    9 October 2018 18: 22
    If you do nothing, nothing will happen. Walking overpower the road.
  9. BAI
    +1
    9 October 2018 20: 27
    HSE teacher

    And that's it.
  10. -1
    9 October 2018 20: 35
    One gets the impression that the authorities simply read different VOs and simply give out different opuses for the delight of those who comment ..
  11. 0
    9 October 2018 21: 37
    Quote: YarSer88
    Our auto industry is precisely to get from point A to point B, it does not rise above it. Either you need to buy the technology for the production of key components, or put up with this situation.

    I remembered an interesting case. On one of the resources, a concept was previously edited in "PhotoShop". The developer's company logos were replaced by AvtoVAZ ones. Naturally, a heated discussion immediately began. And the place we have is damned, and our people are not like that. After the diarrhea ended, the authors posted the original. Further, as in the final scene of the "inspector". This proves once again, as the classic said: "The crisis is in the heads, not in the closets."
    We have specialized research institutes and no technology, it immediately becomes clear that something is wrong here. How many developments have not gone into series in the same automotive industry, I think it’s not necessary to list.
    Undoubtedly, the dollar is adversely affecting our economy. If not a refusal, then a reduction in its presence becomes necessary.
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  12. 0
    10 October 2018 06: 03
    In real life, we see only a speculative nature. We can now see that speculators are funds that are ready for profit to rush from one currency to another.
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  14. +2
    10 October 2018 09: 05
    God, what a hypocrisy of power! The budget is filled with petrodollars! Playing a course, they increase the ruble filling of the budget. And we are brazenly lying that they are struggling with dependence on the dollar! Yes, not only does the budget directly depend on the dollar, so the entire speculative banking system rests on it. And all sane people keep their savings in foreign currency in bank accounts in order to minimize losses from inflation and the devaluation of the ruble.
  15. +1
    10 October 2018 11: 53
    "One of the most respected and still very popular experts in the journalistic environment, Oleg Vyugin, who held a wide variety of posts related to foreign exchange turnover, and now teaching at the Higher School of Economics, recalled that the dollar is not only the world reserve, but also the base settlement currency. All key prices are fixed for it.... "- ...... pee-pee-pee .... This is what alerted ..." very popular in journalistic environment ". Now, if among the respected academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences or Nobel laureates ....
    Dear Journalist, if you write something like that, then at least try to understand where it came from "... not only the world's reserve, but also the basic settlement currency ...". In particular:
    1. In principle: who, when, how and why / why did the dollar make the world reserve and settlement currency? What were the nuances (stages!)?
    2. If the respected author of the article is so clever (for which there is no reason to suspect), let him tell us how, in principle, differs from the dollar, say, the Canadian dollar, Swiss franc, British pound, euro, finally! And then there is the yuan, and not only ... The quality of the paper or the presence of carrier groups and missiles (this is to immediately anticipate possible popular "proclamations" in this direction)?

    And if a respected journalist tried to begin with, at least for himself, to understand and give himself an answer to the first two questions, then the pathos in the article would decrease.
    In fairness, it should be noted that in order to understand objectively and find an answer to these two questions, one must first study fairly well in high-quality specialized educational institutions (and not at all within the framework of the "second higher education in two years, including the" New Year and May holidays "). maybe even uglUbitzo at the same time reading Marx's "Capital." No, it's serious ... The German has rational seeds there.

    You can also add a third "moment" here:
    3. And before 1914/1917 and in general, for the period of 18 - early 20 centuries, what was the currency on the planet? Which country's currency was this, "world reserve and settlement"? How and why? Due to what peculiarities / circumstances did this happen / happened / formed? Or was there none? (!!!!!!) And how did people trade / sell and live then?
    Search engines Ineta - to help!
    PS Regarding the "debaxisation": we read the "clearing" scheme in Google (not to be confused with climax, clearance and clipper!) In the USSR. There was rational grain.
    Yours!
    1. 0
      10 October 2018 17: 25
      let him tell us how, in principle, it differs from the dollar, say, the Canadian dollar, Swiss franc, British pound, euro, finally!
      Elementary: the largest volume market on Earth is served in dollars - the oil market. As long as oil is sold for dollars, the dollar will be stable. The dollar pyramid is therefore stable because it is tied to oil, without this binding it would have collapsed long ago.
  16. 0
    10 October 2018 17: 21
    Article on C grade ... When will "de-dollarization" come? Elementary - when the losses of dollar holders exceed the losses of ruble holders. Losses can be changed to income: the income of the holders of rubles will increase, the income of the holders of dollars. So far this is a "miracle unprecedented". But the states are doing their best to "lower" the dollar. And they can do it. Therefore, you need to be prepared ...
  17. 0
    15 October 2018 13: 16
    The "grenade" of the state has the wrong system. You should not worry about the dollar, but the state of the ruble.