Export Armat to India? For half the price?

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In anticipation of the signing of a major defense contract to supply India with Russian S-400 systems worth more than $ 5 billion, the Indian economic publication The Economic Times reported that Delhi is considering buying tanks new generation T-14 Armata.





The media explained that the Russian novelty is being considered as a replacement for outdated T-72 modifications in the framework of the Multipurpose future ready combat vehicles program. Approximate volume - 1770 tanks, and the previously signed agreement for the supply of T-90S allegedly remains in force.

How realistic is the information on the export of "Armata" to India?

On the one hand, taking into account the close ties of the parties in the field of military-technical cooperation, in particular, the agreement on 272 Su-30MKI, 1657 T-90С tanks, 6 frigates of the 1135 project, 5 C-400 regiments, we can conclude: the possibility of concluding New powerful deal really is. For Russia, a large export contract can be an excellent opportunity to identify all the shortcomings of technology and cure "childhood diseases", which looks relevant against the background of the temporary freezing of the T-14 series.

At the same time, the amount of the agreement in 4,5 billion, which was voiced by The Economic Times, says that the information on the export of "Armata" is hardly true. 4,5 billion is not much more than the sum of the contract for the supply of T-90C, while T-14 is much more technically complex product. Following from the information of the Indian media, Delhi will pay a little more than 2,5 million dollars for one tank, whereas even in the domestic market the price for Armata exceeds 3,5 million. That is, it is not economically viable to promote T-14 for export in less than 5-6 million dollars.

Let us add here the disagreements regarding the Russian-Indian project of creating a fifth-generation fighter - the export version of the Su-57, which shattered confidence in the Indian side, as well as statements in the structures of the Ministry of Defense about the “Armata” export unit. It should be assumed that at the moment the possibility of such a contract is not on the agenda. And even if the issue will be discussed at the official level, the assessment of various risks and trades will take not months, but years.
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  1. +10
    8 October 2018 18: 01
    Export of Armat to India
    If this is true, it is perhaps beyond comprehension.
    1. -7
      8 October 2018 18: 03
      So, after all, PAK FA was being developed using Indians' money, so that they wouldn’t sell them promising first?
      1. 0
        8 October 2018 18: 06
        You do not confuse anything ???
        https://topwar.ru/140610-su-57-i-tancy-s-koshelkom.html
      2. +5
        8 October 2018 18: 19
        Quote: Smoked
        So after all, PAK FA was developed with the Indians' money

        This is how rumors spread.
        For the Indians, they had to work out for their money, but they refused.
        1. +4
          8 October 2018 18: 51
          Quote: figvam
          This is how rumors spread.

          That's for sure! Where did these Native American media get the information that they would pay $ 2,5 million for one Delhi tank?
          Or contracts like kind ceased to be closed, i.e. secret?
          It is clear that in India, as well as our clerks divorced fairly, they need to feed, in other words, to maintain the interest of the public by all available methods.
          As for the export of Almaty, then he certainly will be!
          For technological progress cannot be stopped, and good T-72 tanks have reached a certain chapel in their modification of the T-90SM.
          It would be nice at the expense of export and our army to put Armat with at least a thousand, for example, 30 OTB reserves of the High Command.
          1. +4
            8 October 2018 18: 59
            Quote: Alekseev
            Or contracts like kind ceased to be closed, i.e. secret?

            They were never secret
          2. +3
            8 October 2018 19: 34
            Quote: Alekseev
            .
            It would be nice at the expense of export and our army to put Armat with at least a thousand, for example, 30 OTB reserves of the High Command

            With tongue removed. With this series (1770), you can rivet yourself at half price. But ... as they say - fresh tradition, but hard to believe. I mean the near foreseeable future.
          3. +1
            10 October 2018 14: 55
            Quote: Alekseev
            It would be nice at the expense of export and our army to put Armat with at least a thousand, for example, 30 OTB reserves of the High Command.
            With the money spent on the FIFA World Cup, you can buy 3000 Armata tanks, but football is more important.
      3. +4
        8 October 2018 18: 31
        Quote: Smoked
        So after all, PAK FA was developed with the money of the Indians,

        With what fright? Hindus wanted to "spark" and wanted to invest in it ... but refused.
      4. 0
        9 October 2018 02: 50
        Quote: Smoked
        So, after all, PAK FA was being developed using Indians' money, so that they wouldn’t sell them promising first?

        sell the case with the capsule and tower. let them do the rest.
    2. 0
      8 October 2018 18: 38
      Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
      If this is true, it is perhaps beyond comprehension.

      Effective managers are at the helm, what can I say ....
    3. +14
      8 October 2018 19: 48
      Quote: KBaHT_BpeMeHu
      If this is true, it is perhaps beyond understanding


      in the sense ? .Workers of military enterprises need to live for something and the enterprise to develop. The development and bringing to mind of the T-14 UVZ was carried out at its own expense, hoping to compensate for this money at the expense of the state defense order, which the government promised already for 2000 tanks.
      As a result, UVD, Gaidar’s chicks in the government threw saying that there was no dough and that no more than 200 would buy the maximum, and even that was in doubt. UVZ survived in the 90s due to the Indian order of T-90 which were then in the Russian army.

      Unfortunately, we do not live in the socialist state of the USSR, but in the capitalist-oligarchic state of Russia.
      1. SAF
        0
        10 October 2018 19: 38
        The situation is developing according to the laws of the genre - either comedy or farce.
        The T-90 seems to have gone through India first ...
        Sad All This ...
  2. +6
    8 October 2018 18: 07
    It makes no sense to discuss this uncontrolled gas outlet.
    1. 0
      8 October 2018 18: 26
      What about Indian contracts ... wait every week for news!
      Moreover, completely polar at times.
  3. +3
    8 October 2018 18: 14
    At the same time, the amount of the agreement in 4,5 billion, which was voiced by The Economic Times, says that the information on the export of "Armata" is hardly true. 4,5 billion is not much more than the sum of the contract for the supply of T-90C, while T-14 is much more technically complex product. Following from the information of the Indian media, Delhi will pay a little more than 2,5 million dollars for one tank, whereas even in the domestic market the price for Armata exceeds 3,5 million. That is, it is not economically viable to promote T-14 for export in less than 5-6 million dollars.

    Well, there are a few questions. I doubt very much that 4,5 lard is the real amount of the contract, if such a contract is signed. Second ... if the Indians are to sell the T-14, then probably in a truncated version according to TTX. Perhaps with another engine, optics, etc. .. . surely, the export T-14 will be weaker in terms of performance characteristics than what will go to our troops. And the third point ... the number of 1770 tanks is not a frail series, which can optimize the price of this tank for the domestic market.
    But there are pitfalls ... one of them, the most significant is the danger that these technologies will fall into the hands of the adversary and they will find ways to fight the T-14 much faster.
    But on the other hand, the SU-30 was then exported to India, moreover, they established the assembly of these fighters in India. We sell S-400 to them ... I think that this export will give a new impetus to the development of this platform and the ability to purchase large quantities of them for our aircraft.
  4. +6
    8 October 2018 18: 23
    Armata is a high-tech device. Hi-tech devices are characterized by the fact that they are expensive to develop, expensive to deploy production, but individual units are relatively cheap.
    Thus, if the party is small, then in each device the share of the cost of development and implementation is huge and it is very expensive. But with well-organized production, large batches can be produced, as a result of which its cost drops dramatically.
    In addition, you need to distinguish between ruble and dollar value. What is being done inside Russia does not make any sense to evaluate in dollars. Those. the idea that Armata inside Russia costs $ 3.5 million is false, vicious, and confusing. The price in dollars is the price at the border. I am sure that this contract would be extremely beneficial for Russia, it will allow us to gain a foothold in the high-tech weapons market, bring Armata at the expense of a foreign customer and reduce the cost for our troops.
    1. -1
      8 October 2018 23: 41
      For example, this article says about 250 million rubles, which in June 2016 amounted to 3,8 million US dollars [media = https: //utro.ru/articles/2016/06/28/1288056.shtml],
      here [media = https: //www.rbc.ru/business/15/09/2015/55f803ad9a79477dcebec447] also says about 250 million rubles.
      And the truth will be determined in the budget of the Russian Federation for some year winked
  5. +16
    8 October 2018 18: 35
    In the days of the USSR, there was always a reinforced concrete rule, first its own aircraft, and then all the rest. True, for liberals from the government this rule is nothing. They have such a profession to trade in their homeland.
    1. -8
      8 October 2018 18: 48
      Here, I immediately want to ask about the attitude to pension reform and the amount of taxes you pay.
      1. 0
        9 October 2018 02: 52
        Quote: NG inform
        Here, I immediately want to ask about the attitude to pension reform and the amount of taxes you pay.
        is that side here? just tryndet wanted? spam definitely
    2. 0
      8 October 2018 19: 16


      The expert, of course, "the one else", speaks with errors and inaccuracies, but the general line of thought in my opinion is correct ...
    3. -3
      8 October 2018 20: 12
      But the countries of the Warsaw Pact were fed and maintained first of all, and then their own people.
      1. 0
        10 October 2018 16: 56
        Tales and tales of bourgeois-liberal "historians" and analogy. The Soviet people were the priority of the Soviet Power. Comparing what we had then and what we have now, it becomes sour. “Varshavians”, behind our mighty back, developed very successfully independently. And the leadership of the USSR did not successfully allow the boat to rock the boat, any bastard bastards in these countries.
    4. -1
      9 October 2018 00: 24
      For them, there is no such word "Motherland".
  6. +2
    8 October 2018 18: 43
    Nobody will sell the T-14 to India. This news is not even funny.
    1. +1
      8 October 2018 20: 09
      How can I sell what is NOT?)))
      1. 0
        9 October 2018 02: 53
        Quote: 1970mk
        How can I sell what is NOT?)))

        cartoons?
  7. +5
    8 October 2018 19: 12
    According to information from Indian media, Delhi will pay a little more than $ 2,5 million for one tank, while even in the domestic market the price for "Armata" exceeds 3,5 million. That is, promoting the T-14 for export for less than $ 5-6 million is not economically feasible.

    Everything can be much simpler - this is the Wishlist of the Indians. smile
  8. +1
    8 October 2018 19: 50
    Well, of course, Americans will not be able to get our modern weapons directly, but there is a country - a prostitute in India. We continue to step on the same rake. Recall the submarine that India set. As a result, the control units were in the hands of the Americans and the works of many engineers and designers, billions of national money were thrown into the trash!
  9. -2
    8 October 2018 20: 09
    The most surprising and scary thing is that no one will really say the "price" of the product (tank-aircraft-S-300-400)! Ours claim one-sell. But ..... excuse me .... if you are interested, the same Uralvagonzavod every year write off tens and hundreds of billions of government loans! Full impression-sell to sell and someone, PERSONALLY SOMEONE, put money in his pocket.
    1. 0
      8 October 2018 23: 29
      PERSONALLY SOMEONE, put the money in his pocket.

      not excluded
  10. +2
    8 October 2018 20: 22
    Deliveries of BMP-3 to the Emirates at one time greatly helped the Russian military-industrial complex!
    I note that they have not yet been adopted by the Russian army.
  11. BAI
    +2
    8 October 2018 20: 25
    Delhi is considering the purchase of new generation T-14 Armata tanks.

    You can consider anything. We have no production.
    1. 0
      9 October 2018 02: 55
      Quote: BAI
      Delhi is considering the purchase of new generation T-14 Armata tanks.

      You can consider anything. We have no production.

      cartoons?
  12. 0
    8 October 2018 22: 24
    That is, to arm a foreign army, is there a buzz?
  13. DPN
    0
    8 October 2018 22: 36
    And what to do, close the plant or somehow feed the workers of this plant. Better so than the factory workers are thrown out of the checkpoint.
  14. 0
    8 October 2018 23: 18
    Some gypsy smells already, frankly. It seems that we communicate with horse thieves.
    1. +1
      8 October 2018 23: 28
      And the gypsies from whom did they go?))
  15. 0
    8 October 2018 23: 27
    This is such a commercial move to bring down the price in advance laughing
  16. 0
    9 October 2018 00: 10
    It is necessary to discuss those amounts even when the bidding takes place directly, and not to speculate only on newspaper rumors.
  17. -2
    9 October 2018 02: 36
    I’m shocked))) someone really is seriously discussing the stuffing))) the authorities and the plant management already managed to scoop up))) that’s nonsense)))
  18. 0
    9 October 2018 02: 59
    howo people excited!
    yet "nobody and nothing" and a lot of people already "everything ...."!
    what are we discussing?
    someone blurted something and rushed ....
    be ashamed!
    be ashamed! and liberals and patriots. be ashamed!
  19. 0
    11 October 2018 00: 51
    Polarmaty for two prices. Sales!
  20. 0
    11 October 2018 11: 39
    Good idea, in modern times.
  21. 0
    12 October 2018 21: 30
    The contracts for "Armata" are good, but mark my word - we are still fighting with these Indians!
    but the price is not known for what configuration of tanks, it’s possible that the article is generally duck, in order to try to lower the price of the contract, like - well, we already announced the price in the media, we can’t lose face, let's lose a bit!
  22. 0
    14 October 2018 17: 58
    Let the Indians consider as much as they like. The main thing is that Russian officials should not consider such "export" even in nightmares. So that they knew - the slightest step in this direction - execution.