Hold your pockets! The government is preparing another reform

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The government did not have time to make us happy with pension reform, as another “ingenious” idea came to our ministers' head - now it wants to introduce a social norm of electricity consumption. And if the government succeeds, then in 2019, we will pay more for electricity.

According to our reformers, the so-called “social norm of electricity consumption” will be introduced for the population. It will be 300 kWh per household and will be paid at the so-called base rate. That is about the same, which is now.





If the base tariff in the range from 300 kWh to 500 kWh is exceeded, the kWh will have to pay extra on the “increased” tariff. And those who go beyond that, expect an “economically sound” tariff.

How big are these numbers? To make it easier to navigate, let us say at once: the majority of households in Russia consume, within 200, kWh. However, the situation can vary greatly depending on the number of family members or the area in which she lives. For example, for a village such a norm looks very low - if a rural family has at least some kind of farm, a greenhouse or a greenhouse, it is almost impossible for it to stay within the social norms.

If a modern, more or less productive personal computer consumes about five hundred watts of electricity, in ten hours its consumption will be 5 kWh. This month is half the social norm proposed by the government. Yes, not all PC owners have it turned on ten hours a day. But if there are several children in the family, the head likes to play an online game after work, and the spouse often hangs in social networks, then on average there will be more.

The power of the washing machine can reach 4 kWh. Most, of course, are weaker, but it is possible to predict the consumption of more than one kWh for almost any modern automatic washing machine. And if you have a complete family with at least two children, washing will also have to be considered as one of the important elements of energy consumption.

It is better not to remember about the electric stove, and it consumes a lot and is loaded often and for a long time. Happy owners of gas stoves can exhale, but the rest will have to be on their guard and go on a raw foods diet and salad. Of course, you can offer everyone, without exception, to switch to gas, but the trouble is that in the gas superpower, which we are, not all regions are gasified.

And for the sake of completeness, let us recall the refrigerator that runs 24 hours a day, 365 days per year. According to some estimates, refrigerators account for up to 30% of household energy consumption, that is, with the 300 kWh standard, this will amount to just under a hundred kilowatts.

The result is quite expected: the innovation hardly touches the bachelors or those who have only one child. And that provided that the family lives in the city. To meet the norm can, probably, those whose housing is gasified. But large families, villagers and residents of many Siberian and Far Eastern regions, where gasification has not yet been heard (and they will not hear for decades, because we are driving gas to Europe and China, because it is more profitable), we will have to save a lot.

Of course, it can be assumed that low-income and large families will be able to compensate part of their expenses with the help of subsidies for the payment of utility bills. But if they can compensate for everything, the question arises: why make a garden? Just transfer subsidies from one pocket to another, creating extra administrative positions and additional payment channels? But isn't it better, as now, to directly subsidize generating companies without creating an additional army of officials sitting on the streams?

Or is it just that it will not work out to compensate for everything and families will have to pay some of the funds from their own pockets? Well, then, in this reform, even a petty, disgusting, but at least some logic is visible. As for the poor and those with many children, when did this embarrass our ministers? That's right - never. They are probably not confused by the new presidential “May decree”, where demography is one of the first points.

The terminology used by our reformers is also quite interesting. In particular, it is not very clear what the “economically sound” tariff means.

If we did not live in the economic looking glass, everything would be clear - this is the cost plus a small margin. However, in Russia economic justification may be completely different, as we have seen quite recently on the example of gasoline prices.

As you remember, our oil giants justified the rise in gasoline prices by the fact that it is more profitable to export oil (!) Than to supply it to Russian refineries. Therefore, they say, it is necessary to raise the price of fuel so that the margin from oil refining is comparable to the margin from the export of crude oil!

And the government heard the arguments of the “rapidly impoverished” oil industry workers: instead of simply raising the export duty on crude oil, it began to subsidize oil refining! As a result, Rosneft and LUKoil still received our money, but not directly, taking it from our pockets, but from the budget, even before they reached our pockets.

Probably, few of us will be surprised if it turns out that the “economically feasible” tariff is just such a cost for the consumer, for what kind of electricity they sell, for example, to China. And in principle, no “cost + margin” is out of the question - we, in general, have long forgotten what it is.

And this means that the “economically sound” tariff can turn out to be really very high, differing from the base one at times. And it will most likely hit the village - rural households and small farmers. What ultimately will have an impact on the price of products has been such a thing more than once, so we will not be surprised either.

The most striking thing about all this stories the fact that a similar experiment was conducted in Russia recently, in 2013-2014. Then, in several areas, the “social tariff” was already introduced, and this did not lead to anything good. In the Vladimir region, where the “social norm” was only 100 kWh, the experiment caused a great disturbance. And in Rostov, where it was at the level of 200 kWh, the reform simply turned out to be ineffective, since its administration required almost more expenses than it was possible to save in the end.

When you read these newsIt is difficult to get rid of the idea that someone purposefully “merges” GDP. Either retirement, or “in Russia, they will prohibit selling salt”, or the price of motor fuel, or another insane government initiative like this. Or is it the GDP itself that squeezes the last juices out of Medvedev and his “eagles”, forcing them to push through unpopular reforms before retirement?

But what is the point specifically in this reform? Making the population consume less electricity so that you can export more of it? Dubious benefits, given the importance of electricity for economic development. Or is it themselves the owners of generating capacity push for themselves more comfortable conditions?

The latter, by the way, is very likely. Some are lobbying, others, realizing that they will soon be finally dispersed, are happy to “listen” to lobbyists, hoping to earn themselves a couple of “golden parachutes” in the envelope.

And somewhere there, high up, Putin’s candidate of economics is sitting and thinking: what is this (further obscene) going on? Where are the ratings ?! Where is the growth of the economy ?! Where are the “May decrees” ?!

Yes, all the same, Vladimir Vladimirovich. In the empty heads and bottomless pockets of your ministers.
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  1. +59
    4 October 2018 05: 30
    And somewhere there, high up, Putin’s candidate of economics is sitting and thinking: what is this (further obscene) going on? Where are the ratings ?! Where is the growth of the economy ?! Where are the “May decrees” ?!
    Yes, all the same, Vladimir Vladimirovich. In the empty heads and bottomless pockets of your ministers.
    - from article

    What is the reason for all these "reforms"? Yes, everything is in the same capitalism with an ugly inhuman face, when profit, money is put above the people's welfare, only for the sake of the interests of a small handful of the ruling bourgeoisie.
    So, think it over, people, when you ignore the elections, or vote for politicians who uphold liberal capitalism, ignoring all social guarantees prescribed even in the liberal Constitution of capitalist Russia.
    1. +3
      4 October 2018 05: 38
      Sorry, in the election Putin scored prohibitive interest. He does not sit on the forums, and quite based on the accumulated interest, he can assume that he is supported by both the top and the bottom.
      1. +45
        4 October 2018 05: 41
        Tarasenko also won the elections in Primorye? The higher the position, the wider the possibilities for fraud.
        1. +20
          4 October 2018 06: 15
          Go to any elections or not go to the Liberal Democratic Party with the Communist Party anyway lose. If you do not agree with this, talk over a glass of tea with friends of the chairpersons of PECs or TECs or with ordinary members of election commissions and they will tell you the whole cuisine of the elections.
          1. +22
            4 October 2018 07: 03
            Quote: Tatar 174
            LDPR

            LDPR has recently been watching Putin’s mouth.
            1. +50
              4 October 2018 08: 27
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Tatar 174
              LDPR

              LDPR has recently been watching Putin’s mouth.

              You are joking? The Liberal Democratic Party from the day of its foundation to the present day has always been a manual, sham party. It doesn't matter what this jester Zhirinovsky is shouting there, it is important how his party votes. So, she just supported all the "unpopular" laws all these years. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the only opposition party in the Duma, but it cannot or does not know how to bring people to the streets en masse.
              1. +20
                4 October 2018 08: 44
                So easy to take people to the streets? All have a family, work. When to go out if you live at work? Quit everyone and quit? AND! Sunday is a day off!? Is it a day off? Many work in shifts. AND! Go to the rally and then sleep !? After working two three days a day, then at night and on the weekend two three days, go to the rally !? And those who work day after day or 12 hours every day !? Not so simple.
                1. -3
                  4 October 2018 13: 37
                  Quote: Mister Creed
                  Not so simple.

                  One hope for the President. What will forget, who hired him to work, neglects the interests of the ruling class (I recall if someone forgot that we live in a well-maintained CAPITALIST DEMOCRACY) ...
                  1. +22
                    4 October 2018 17: 07
                    The president has already taken care of you by signing the law on pensions, are you not afraid of such care?
                    1. +2
                      4 October 2018 21: 48
                      Living in the country of "not frightened idiots" what and whom to be afraid of, after all, it will certainly not be better after such "worries"!
                    2. +5
                      5 October 2018 07: 08
                      But DMA did not appear for a long time, probably it was living in a new den in Italy.
              2. +9
                4 October 2018 10: 42
                Quote: kjhg
                Communist Party - the only opposition party in the Duma

                Are you serious? Then explain what progressive and socially-oriented laws were adopted during the years of the majority of the Communist Party in the Duma. New plants built? For proletarians actively created jobs? Welfare grew? There was no and no opposition in the Duma. Communist Party, LDPR, SR, etc. - manual parties to create the appearance of democracy.
                1. +20
                  4 October 2018 11: 21
                  Then explain what progressive and socially-oriented laws were adopted during the years of the majority of the Communist Party in the Duma. - AK1972 (Alexey)

                  Are you serious? There has never been a "majority of the Communist Party in the Duma". There was a period when the KPRF was ahead of the ruling party in the elections, but the KPRF itself did not have a majority of votes in the State Duma. Plus, one must take into account the fact that the LDPR and the SPRF always support the ruling party on key issues, and the Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation were left alone, as they are now with regard to the pension reform and other anti-popular laws.
                  So, the ruling party will not let the ruling party pass any "progressive and socially oriented laws" from the Communist Party in the Duma with a small number of votes from the Communist Party. That's when the Communist Party of the Russian Federation will have an absolute number of votes in the Duma, as now the United Russia, then you can ask them about such laws.
                  1. -16
                    4 October 2018 12: 17
                    There was a period when mutants from the CPSU merged in the elections.
                    1. +12
                      4 October 2018 12: 41
                      The Communist Party has never had a majority capable of deciding in the Duma the social economy. problems of the people. This is the main thing. What about the traitors from the Communist Party? Unfortunately, such traitors to the former members of the CPSU are full of EP and the whole elite of the highest authority that the Communists have never been.
                    2. +4
                      5 October 2018 05: 48
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      There was a period when mutants from the CPSU merged in the elections.

                      Just now
                      CPSU mutants
                      in power. And just communists merged
                  2. +11
                    4 October 2018 12: 29
                    During the election, Zyuganov had nightmares that he was either elected president or received a constitutional majority in the State Duma. The Communist Party under the leadership of Zyuganov is not fighting for power. He is very calm, and it is beneficial to be an eternal oppositionist. For reference: I never voted neither for Putin nor for United Russia.
                    1. -33
                      4 October 2018 14: 32
                      But I always voted for Putin - because it’s real, there’s no one to vote for. I hope by 2024 the receiver will be announced.
                      1. +6
                        4 October 2018 19: 40
                        They will put on the throne a successor (sorry, elected by the majority), do not worry. For the tsar, the question of succession to the throne always, if not in the first, then in the second place. And the strategist Putin, I think, 5 years ago, he looked after himself an heir. And about the one who votes for whom, do you personally still believe that this circus called elections decides something? If it is still possible on the ground, then the head of state is irreplaceable here. The president is appointed by elites who own capital in Russia, that is, they own Russia itself or a significant part of it. Will they humbly give up their positions if a simple Vanka says so in the elections? Yes, there are hundreds of checks and balances to prevent this from happening, this is all a show. Maximum - they can change the talking head. In any case, they have several candidates in store. I do not like Putin - here's Medvedev, who will bend the same line. I do not like Medvedev - here you have some sort of Komarov, your face is changing - the direction of activity remains. And our happiness is that adequate forces have seized our power, and not like our neighbors (well, except for Kazakhstan, perhaps).
              3. +14
                4 October 2018 12: 00
                Not the one with her leader. Zyuganov, if he has the remnants of conscience, it is time, and for a long time, to transfer the party leadership to a young and energetic leader.
                1. +12
                  4 October 2018 12: 48
                  I also do not like G. Zyuganov to the full, but this is decided by the Communist Party itself. Fortunately, Zyuganov ceased to run for election, and the party entered into an alliance with the Left Front. In addition to the Communist Party, and still amorphous, not properly formed the Left Front, there are no political, mass forces that defend the interests of the people, except for the Communist Party. The main thing is their communist ideology, which upholds the social rights of citizens, and the socialist future of the country.
                  1. -1
                    4 October 2018 13: 55
                    Where does the Communist Party defend the communist ideology or social rights of citizens? Besides populist cries, nothing. This party is capitalist, led by Zyuganov, who is also a capitalist with petty-bourgeois interests. What are you talking about? Dollar millionaire Zyuganov may have something to do with communism? You yourself are not funny? Communist Party is a screen.
                    1. +11
                      4 October 2018 17: 43
                      The merit of the leadership of the Communist Party is that they retained the party. In essence, the Communist Party is the only real political party in Russia. Well, it is impossible to seriously unite officials - lovers of money and power, i.e. EP, considered a political party!
                      Yes, the Communist Party had to step on the throat of his own song, to make a deal with the authorities. We wouldn’t go and the party would simply be destroyed, such projects were in the 90s and 00x - to ban the Communist Party.
                      But now in every city, even a small one, there are branches. There is a party, it is structured, operates throughout the country and this is the only real political organization in Russia.
                      Who bothers just finding the nearest branch and offering their feasible help? Or maybe active participation?
                      1. 0
                        5 October 2018 06: 29
                        Alexei, help the party that betrayed all ideals and moves the capitalist to the presidency in the election? You yourself are not funny?
                      2. -3
                        6 October 2018 11: 29
                        Dear Alexey, don't you think that stepping on the throat of your own song is the same thing as putting your ass and at the same time your pockets. IN AND. Lenin called it political prostitution. If the "opposition" makes a deal with the government, then it unites with the government and ceases to be an opposition.
              4. +11
                4 October 2018 14: 38
                Quote: kjhg
                The CPRF is the only opposition party in the Duma, but it cannot or cannot massively take people to the streets.

                It can’t ... and this is an unfortunate fact. The people are inert and apathetic.
                I myself went to all the planned KPRF rallies against the pension reform, called my friends, acquaintances - the answer came down to one thing: - "We will not go, all this is useless, yes, and we will live somehow."
                So we are getting ready ... any new ideas for turning out our pockets with you will go with a bang from "our" guarantor and his fellow companions.
                And what about the people? - "myhataskrayu"!
                1. +1
                  4 October 2018 23: 12
                  I agree with your opinion, and it comes to mind how Russian citizens of Ukraine were called "khataskrayniki" at the suggestion of all sorts of television babies. we don't notice the logs !!!
                2. +1
                  5 October 2018 23: 46
                  Quote: kjhg: The Communist Party is the only opposition party in the Duma, but it cannot or cannot massively take people to the streets.

                  and thank God
                  As for the opposition parties, the entire current Duma is a specific opposition party to the population of Russia. Not a single person "from the machine", only representatives of capital and its lobby. What can they care about? About a poor population? About reviving industry? About healthcare? About education?
              5. 0
                4 October 2018 15: 08
                Quote: kjhg
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: Tatar 174
                LDPR

                LDPR has recently been watching Putin’s mouth.

                You are joking? The Liberal Democratic Party from the day of its foundation to the present day has always been a manual, sham party. It doesn't matter what this jester Zhirinovsky is shouting there, it is important how his party votes. So, she just supported all the "unpopular" laws all these years. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the only opposition party in the Duma, but it cannot or does not know how to bring people to the streets en masse.

                And it cannot (there are no people in the district committees) and it does not know how. Alas, today it is.
                1. +1
                  4 October 2018 18: 16
                  Who prevents active people from coming to the district committee? Laziness?
                  1. 0
                    11 October 2018 08: 36
                    Quote: Beringovsky
                    Who prevents active people from coming to the district committee? Laziness?

                    If you are lazy, then you are not active enough, if you are active, then you are not lazy. In general, the point here is mistrust multiplied by ignorance.
              6. -25
                4 October 2018 18: 03
                Quote: kjhg
                The CPRF is the only opposition party in the Duma, but it cannot or cannot massively take people to the streets.

                Call to the Maidan ???? Again, the Communists want to lose the country ???? It’s time to ban the Communist Party !!!
                1. +1
                  11 October 2018 08: 33
                  Quote: Semen1972
                  Quote: kjhg
                  The CPRF is the only opposition party in the Duma, but it cannot or cannot massively take people to the streets.

                  Call to the Maidan ???? Again, the Communists want to lose the country ???? It’s time to ban the Communist Party !!!

                  Stupidity would still be banned, it will suddenly help.
              7. -1
                8 October 2018 09: 24
                Are you kidding me? Who else but the Communist Party cut off the proposal of the AP to cut off 500 billion rubles from metallurgy that arose due to an understatement of the national currency? Then maybe pension reform would not be so harsh. No need to repeat by inertia that this party defends your interests. We need to look at specific cases, not the name. Zyuganov and Co. are the same lobbyists, not of power engineers, but of metallurgical magnates. Although in words, yes .. for the type of nationalization .. PAPER
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            2. -26
              4 October 2018 08: 40
              An article from the topic - in the case of misunderstandings, all went to Putin. And the continuation - the mustache got in.
              Is that so?
              1. +26
                4 October 2018 09: 27
                Quote: seti
                An article from the topic - in the case of misunderstandings, all went to Putin. And the continuation - the mustache got in.
                Is that so?

                NO ,
                Not so. If you recall the fate of the previously announced federal target programs. Which was more than 40 ..
                Who saw the report on the implementation of these programs. ?
                How did they make a better life for citizens?
              2. +5
                4 October 2018 23: 16
                If something quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and looks like a duck, then this is probably a duck
                1. +1
                  6 October 2018 00: 02
                  320423 (rhodion): If something quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and looks like a duck, then this is probably a duck

                  Not a fact, it may be hunting bait for other "ducks" Yes
            3. +3
              4 October 2018 20: 21
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              LDPR has recently been watching Putin’s mouth.


              what a servility!
          2. +31
            4 October 2018 08: 12
            Quote: Tatar 174
            Go to any elections or not go to the Liberal Democratic Party with the Communist Party anyway lose.

            All the same, it is necessary to walk and, if possible, to drown EP. Otherwise, your ballot, having overeated, will vote for United Russia, for pension reform and for the State Duma wandering around in a greedy, insatiable head.
          3. +32
            4 October 2018 10: 02
            You are lying, my friend! This organized crime group triumphs where people ignore the elections, giving this gang their empty ballots. And where the control in the areas is weak and timid. Not only do we, the voters, have to vote, but also help our candidates by monitoring the voting process and the counting of votes. This law not only allows, but also obliges us to this. And modern technologies and the Internet can only help us. But for this it is necessary to tear their fifth points from the sofas and stomp to the polls.
          4. +17
            4 October 2018 11: 38
            Quote: Tartar 174
            Go to any elections or not go to the Liberal Democratic Party with the Communist Party anyway lose. If you do not agree with this, talk over a glass of tea with friends of the chairpersons of PECs or TECs or with ordinary members of election commissions and they will tell you the whole cuisine of the elections.

            It's not your truth. In September 2018, elections for governors were held in 22 out of 85 regions. In 4 regions, where, judging by the result, the United Russia party has already pulled the people to the edge, representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party and the SR won the elections. Few? Yes! But if we take into account the fact that the United Russia party has all the full political, financial and administrative resources with pocket, lured PECs and TECs, this can be regarded as a LOT. Apparently in the other 18 regions, people do not live so badly and decided to fight for the right to retire at 70 and 75 years old and stupidly did not come to vote because the turnout was 30-34% of those eligible to vote. But even a victory in 4 regions led to the fact that the United Russia party seriously tensed, and Medvedev and Siluanov, almost in unison, made a statement that from 2019 until the presidential elections there would be no increases and the introduction of new taxes. Given that the Duma elections will take place in 2021 and the presidential elections in 2024, the people have a good opportunity to put pressure on the authorities through the same annual September elections in those regions that did not participate in the elections this year. It seems that even these 4 victorious regions do not reflect the whole picture of the past elections in terms of the mood of Russians, since pocket CECs and TECs (over a cup of tea) shoveled the true picture and rewrote the final voting protocols in favor of the "correct" candidates. They also conveyed to the authorities that the mood of the Russians swung strongly towards the opposition parties, and in the origin of the "anomaly" of the 4 subjects, the protest moods were so obvious that they could not even use their opportunities. So in the next September elections, you must definitely go to vote.
          5. 0
            5 October 2018 12: 59
            so tell us, enlighten, what are you hiding!
        2. +18
          4 October 2018 06: 25
          No, and there can be no falsifications in the presidential elections! It's too shallow. On the side of the president, the media, administrative resources, the constitution (cancellation of the turnout percentage, removal of "Against all"), a team of hired clowns.
          Understand that casinos always win. And to cheat him, to anything.
          1. +24
            4 October 2018 07: 05
            Quote: Bastinda
            And to cheat him, to anything.

            He may not have anything to do, but EP in Primorye was clearly pricked when all the untreated 4% ended up in favor of candidate EP. request
            1. +5
              4 October 2018 17: 17
              Now in Primorye we will see super impudence from self-nomination from the ranks of the edra, who will win in the first round.
              1. +2
                5 October 2018 05: 19
                We will see. Kozhemyaki does not have the best reputation (to put it mildly), all social networks are full of his deeds on Sakhalin and Amurk. Even Tarasenka did not have such a train.
                1. 0
                  9 October 2018 16: 31
                  But he is ordained and it is annoying. am
          2. +1
            4 October 2018 07: 49
            Probably on a large scale - yes. But on the ground - the districts where the regional authorities warned of the right choice, they can go for different tricks. For example, in our area in the fall, more people voted for the Communists, so the head of the district will now vacate his place - he could not do it.
          3. +9
            4 October 2018 09: 15
            Quote: Bastinda
            And to cheat him, to anything.

            Holy naivety!
      2. +18
        4 October 2018 05: 43
        Quote: zyzx
        He’s not sitting on the forums,

        It would be better if I sat, I would know a lot of good things about myself, a plagiarist of economic sciences,.
        1. +14
          4 October 2018 09: 22
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I would know a lot of good things about myself

          I think he knows. And with all the "love" that suddenly came to him from (just a couple of months ago) 76%, he clearly does what he planned. The pension reform has come to pass. We just banged a little and everything that was supposed to them. He calculates everything very accurately. And so it will continue. The protest will go off scale - he will act as a benefactor, publicly attaches to "presumptuous" ministers headed by the chairman. And if everything is limited to a bay, he will carry out the planned activities. The team plays as the opponent allows it. laughing
      3. +12
        4 October 2018 05: 47
        He does not sit on the forums, and quite based on the accumulated interest, he can assume that he is supported by both the top and the bottom. - zyzx (Kostik)

        It doesn’t matter whether he sits or does not sit on the forums. Most importantly, he knows what is happening in the country, at least from fragments of those disturbances at rallies; in direct meetings with answers, even to questions prepared in advance; at meetings with representatives of the people, which are the same people from the guard; based on the results of voting in protest elections; on speeches in the State Duma opposition to these reforms of the Communist Party; and from other sources. No need to make him an unknowing politician.
        Nevertheless, he acts and makes decisions, as he accepts - against the interests of the common people, for the interests of the ruling oligarchy and bureaucracy.
        1. +15
          4 October 2018 06: 02
          He can listen to anyone. Volfovich, Zyuganov or a doctor from the backwoods via a teleconference ... But he will do as his entourage says, which he himself attracted.
          1. +14
            4 October 2018 06: 07
            But he will do as his entourage says, which he himself drew. - 210okv (Dmitry)

            I agree with you, I will only add that he is one of them, from the oligarchic environment in power, which they privatized.
            1. dSK
              +18
              4 October 2018 06: 32
              Quote: vladimirZ
              add

              About the electric stove it’s better not to even remember... Of course, you can offer everyone, without exception, switch to gas
              It will not work to switch to gas, our ten-story buildings are not connected to the gas pipeline. Cancellation of the "preferential" tariff for us will definitely increase by 15%.
              But sooner or later, natural gas consumption will also be introduced.
              So early rejoiced that in July, energy raised tariffs only by 4% inflation. They will unscrew their own, the most powerful lobby ...
              1. dSK
                +5
                4 October 2018 06: 56
                Ruble appreciation will end in October.
                The Ministry of Finance shared its plans for the purchase of foreign currency in the near term. So, over the next month - from October 5 to November 7 - the agency will spend on the purchase of foreign currency 475,7 billion rubles. If this plan is implemented, then this will be a new record for monthly purchases of currency, set by the Russian government.

                ... previously, the Central Bank announced that it would not buy currency for the Ministry of Finance on the exchange until the end of 2018 even in case of ruble appreciation.
              2. +9
                4 October 2018 12: 10
                Quote from dsk
                So early rejoiced that in July the energy sector raised tariffs only by inflation 4%. They will unscrew their own, the most powerful lobby ...

                The problem is not even in the "power engineers", but in the large number of intermediaries between electricity producers and consumers. All cheats take place in this layer. In some places, the flight from centralized power supply has already begun, private gas mini-power plants are being installed. The last "Arguments of the Week" contains an extensive article on this topic, everything is detailed.
                In general, all this is sad, given the enormous energy resources of our country. Shame, just shame and bureaucratic lawlessness.
                1. Alf
                  +2
                  4 October 2018 17: 43
                  Quote: Fedor Egoist
                  In some places, an escape from centralized power supply has already begun, and private gas mini-power plants are being installed.

                  Do not worry, as soon as it takes mass forms, there will immediately be laws restricting their capabilities.
              3. 0
                5 October 2018 21: 09
                the next version on the Internet is selling beer after 10 pm, selling alcohol at gas stations, declaring aluminum wires acceptable for installation in homes, I’m not talking about gasoline already, there are already requests for defrosting prices ... and I read it only in the evening .. .
        2. +6
          4 October 2018 08: 57
          He simply cannot go against the interests of the oligarchy. Otherwise, it will be a death sentence for yourself. He, who has passed the level of power, knows very well how the change of power takes place. Moreover, as he spoke in a straight line, he loves historical literature. And in this literature is full of examples of a change of power. And power was not changed by commoners with pitchforks.
      4. +4
        4 October 2018 09: 02
        And do you believe in it, at prohibitive interest?
      5. Alf
        +1
        4 October 2018 17: 37
        Quote: zyzx
        Putin’s election scored prohibitive interest.

        "Typed" or "credited"?
      6. 0
        5 October 2018 20: 20
        Because I knew very well that the undertaking with the pension reform or something like that BEFORE the ELECTIONS (and in the government KNOW and agreed about this), I would not sit on the throne of GDP .... It should be noted that image makers work perfectly for him.
    2. +27
      4 October 2018 07: 00
      What does capitalism have to do with it? Look at the level of salaries and pensions in the capital countries! And the cost of electricity in them. Then what is the "social" norm? It should probably depend on the climate. More in the north, less in the south. Proximity to power plants. By the way, power plants ... There were reports from our officials about the construction and modernization of power plants in the country.
      They tied the norm to the DOT. Those. to the house, apartment and not to the number of residents. Nonsense. What are they smoking there?
      You know, I’m browsing the news in the morning. They remind me of reports from the fronts of 41 years. Surrendered, retreated. Will the years 43 -45 come. And apophysiosis Victory?
      1. +17
        4 October 2018 09: 13
        The social norm is the appearance of state concern for citizens. This is evident from our minimum wages and subsistence minimums calculated for roofing felts from the norms of soldering a prisoner, roofing felts from the norms for keeping service dogs. Although the social norms of officials and deputies count from other requirements for life. There is an artificial division into classes and further demagogy about the class superiority of some over others. Here we are blaming Hitler for the idea of ​​racial superiority where some were born to be masters, and others slaves. But we are silent about the imposition of ideas of class superiority in a rag. And what is the difference between ideas of racial superiority and class? Yes, nothing! But Muscovites fought well for ideas of class superiority in the 90s. Although many in the backwoods supported this theory, there are still many of its supporters. All rich are smart and hardworking, all poor are lazy and drinkers!
        1. +7
          4 October 2018 09: 39
          Quote: Mister Creed
          calculated roofing felts from the norms of soldering a prisoner, roofing felts from the norms for the maintenance of service dogs.

          More than 29 thousand are spent on one convict. rubles per month. Maybe I’ll declare to throw, let them consider me a convict, and give me money? recourse
          1. +8
            4 October 2018 10: 00
            Let them give out. Only for special security deducted. You will have nothing left for the products.
            1. +4
              4 October 2018 10: 33
              Quote: Mr Credo
              Let them give out. Only for special security deducted. You will have nothing left for the products.

              Yes, I’m ready to refuse protection, not Gorbachev, it seems.
          2. w70
            0
            10 October 2018 07: 17
            Convicts are fed 40 rubles a day, 1.200 a month, and the rest goes to the guard
            1. 0
              10 October 2018 07: 26
              Quote: w70
              Convicts fed on 40 rubles per day

              As my friend told me (his uncle is the head of the correctional institution), it took 8 years ago to feed, 120 rubles a day.
              1. w70
                0
                11 October 2018 21: 38
                So they reduced costs, the crisis in the country, this has long been known
        2. +5
          4 October 2018 10: 18
          Quote: Mister Creed
          The social norm is the appearance of state concern for citizens

          we have already honored this norm in Nizhny Novgorod for 5 years ... the night-to-day tariff is 50 kilograms per month for those prescribed in the apartment, I write according to the September receipt: day according to the social norm - 3.72, over - 7.15, night - social rate 1.82, over social norms 3.73
          1. 0
            5 October 2018 20: 24
            Not a modest question about the night tariff - DO YOU REPRESENT THE WORK OF A WASHING MACHINE IN A PANEL HOUSES AT NIGHT HOURS, OR THE SHOCK OF A SEWING MACHINE? But sparingly ... neighbors kill each other.
            1. -1
              7 October 2018 20: 45
              Quote: yeah
              Not a modest question about the night tariff - DO YOU REPRESENT THE WORK OF A WASHING MACHINE IN A PANEL HOUSES AT NIGHT HOURS, OR THE SHOCK OF A SEWING MACHINE?

              you generally wanted to say something and what ??? erased both at night and in the socket, and now often at night I erase what have the neighbors ... if you have a 1970 washing machine, then maybe
              1. 0
                9 October 2018 13: 46
                Well, if you live in an elite (or in a brick), then of course there is no conversation, but if in a typical 9,10 floor, then you will tell tales to your neighbors, even we who washed in the toilet at night, and you can hear ..
                1. -1
                  10 October 2018 08: 38
                  Quote: yeah
                  and if in a typical 9,10 floor, then you will tell tales to your neighbors,

                  don't star! in your panel, the campaign is empty, so you’ll star noob!
      2. +23
        4 October 2018 09: 16
        Quote: ROBIN-SON
        You know, I’m browsing the news in the morning. They remind me of reports from the fronts of 41 years. Surrendered, retreated. Will the years 43 -45 come. AND apophysiosis Victory?

        In Russian, the word - apotheosis.
        The topic is clear and correct. The fact is that the average price per 1 kW / hour in the country is 55 cents. The Chubais reforms were not in vain ... They rubbed us about expensive heating, about expensive water, about expensive ... We have the most in Russia expensive for citizens - the content of the state apparatus, the efficiency of which is low as never before ... Yes
        1. +10
          4 October 2018 10: 28
          These have very high efficiency, ROSS 42! It's just that their job is to rob the country and the people.
          Yesterday I climbed onto the website of Petroelectrosbyt and saw this sign:

          This is only part of it (one-room apartment), the rest is at:
          https://www.pes.spb.ru/for_customers/electricity_tariffs/standards_of_energy_consumption_by_spb/

          And I didn’t see something about 300 kW / hour for the apartment.
          In my case, this is 3 people x 55 kW = 165.
          And I think. what exactly they will do, and 300 is a kind of average cheating bar.

          In general, I repeat - as we vote or do not go to the polls, so they have us.
          1. +1
            4 October 2018 21: 12
            Quote: NordUral
            And I didn’t see something about 300 kW / hour for the apartment.

            And you will not see, for one simple reason, this is not a social norm, but standard to calculate the consumption of electric energy in the absence or failure of the meter (electronic meter) out of order. It is adopted by decree of the regional government, and each region has its own standards. Before publishing anything, read at least the title of the document.
            Quote: NordUral
            In my case, this is 3 people x 55 kW = 165.

            This is how your energy supply company should calculate if you have not replaced your power meter with a working one within two months after notification that your meter is faulty, or if you don’t have it at all. But this is only in the first settlement period, in the subsequent ones they will apply an increasing factor from 1,2 to 1,5.
      3. +10
        4 October 2018 13: 57
        Quote: ROBIN-SON
        Will the 43 -45 years come.

        Not at war with Germany. We have our own enemy, dear - CLASS. So what is interesting, when will be January 05 of the year? And the methods of the class struggle will be remembered ...
      4. Alf
        +2
        4 October 2018 17: 44
        Quote: ROBIN-SON
        Will the years 43 -45 come. And apophysiosis Victory?

        With such a commander in chief? Hardly.
    3. +23
      4 October 2018 07: 52
      And I said ... with retirement - this is not all that the government has in store ... until they are imprisoned, they will not calm down ...
      1. +7
        4 October 2018 09: 17
        Quote: Svarog
        until they are imprisoned, they will not calm down ...

        In Russia, all landings are done in the spring ... laughing
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    5. +9
      4 October 2018 12: 47
      [quote = vladimirZ] [quote]

      So, think it over, people, when you ignore the elections, or vote for politicians who uphold liberal capitalism, ignoring all social guarantees prescribed even in the liberal Constitution of capitalist Russia. [/ Quote]
      What does capitalism have to do with it?
      Our pensioners have a permanent discount on 200 kW per month in the amount of 50% of the cost
      Workers of the Israeli electricity company do not pay for electricity (although in the USSR the same workers of the distribution zone paid 50% under)
      And so, in some months of summer, my consumption reaches 2000 kW.
      1. +4
        4 October 2018 13: 12
        What does capitalism have to do with it? - atalef (alexander)

        How? Do not compare your little Israel, subsidized from Germany for WWII genocide; The United States is printing dollars at will, and where your financial tribesmen help you dominate, with other countries where capitalism dominates, parasitizing on the exploitation of peoples.
        Russia with the remnants of the thinking of the Soviet past in the minds of people, the desire to restore social justice for the whole people, socialism by and large, is now the battlefield of the current parasitic capitalism with the goal of completely crushing the people's will to fight for their rights.
        The dominance of capitalism in Russia will inevitably lead to the collapse of a single state. Russia will either be socialist or it will not be at all.
        You, Westerners, Russophobia (maybe not specifically for you), and this is necessary, we do not in Russia.
      2. 0
        4 October 2018 15: 06
        We also have a huge number of beneficiaries, but there is no reason for joy. All that knocked off they pay the rest
      3. Alf
        0
        4 October 2018 17: 47
        Quote: atalef
        And so, in some months of summer, my consumption reaches 2000 kW.

        What is standing at your place?
    6. -4
      5 October 2018 14: 17
      And what to do if our "hope and the stronghold of peace, the KPSS" cannot provide candidates for the presidency or the State Duma with an adequate program ??! They (candidates) sometimes carry such a blizzard from the screens that you decide to yourself that it is better to vote for the edros ... The problem of our government is the absence of a sane opposition. There is no one who could take the reins from Putin and say: "Thank you, Vladimir, next I am." Maybe in 100 years this will happen. Some kind of philanthropist quadrillionaire will appear and embody the idea of ​​Marx, but for now we will consider that there is a preparatory process for ridding humanity of greed.
      1. Alf
        +1
        5 October 2018 19: 30
        Quote: KOJIXO3HuK
        There is no one who could take the reins from Putin and say: "Thank you, Vladimir, next I am."

        Because no, the reins are very tightly held.
    7. +3
      6 October 2018 12: 16
      the reason for all these reforms is that we have real treason at the highest level of government!
    8. w70
      0
      11 October 2018 20: 58
      Do not worry, gentlemen, military pensioners, next year they will index a military pension
  2. +28
    4 October 2018 05: 33
    How annoying to observe that all the socialist gains of the Soviet period of our history are simply annulled and reduced to zero, for the sake of capitalism.
    What's next in line, interesting? Working hours?
    And, after all, even Comrade Stalin spoke of the need to establish an 5-hour working day and reduced prices in the country ...
    1. +37
      4 October 2018 05: 43

      As they say, feel the difference in attitudes towards the issue.

      And this is in the distant 1952 year!
      In his work "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR." The country was recovering after the great war ...
      1. +26
        4 October 2018 05: 56
        Some of these gains of socialism are no longer there, and some are simply diminishing ...

        A socially oriented state is now just a myth.
        The government and the State Dura lay down the "device", and with impunity (from permissiveness) on:
        Article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creation of conditions ensuring a decent life and free development of man.
        1. +9
          4 October 2018 09: 18
          I'm afraid that we have a peculiar concept of a person and a people. If officials are considered a person, then social norms and guarantees are not bad. If people are considered the people and the population, then social norms and guarantees do not reach the human ones.
        2. +3
          4 October 2018 09: 20
          Quote: Pax tecum
          Article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.

          The most effective is a referendum on mistrust and outright deceit, on violation of the constitution ... Preferably with axes and pitchforks ... lol
      2. +3
        5 October 2018 21: 19
        by the way about Stalin ..- in the evening I came across articles and notes about "terrible Stalinist repressions" 7 times - on various resources - on that planet - did the teenagers know about them, how many relatives of today's people fell under repression, and so on ...- apparently approaching the date of November 7 poses the task of throwing mud at the history of the USSR - there is an order for a campaign ...
      3. w70
        -1
        11 October 2018 21: 37
        Book reaction
        Anastas Mikoyan recalls [3]:
        “After reading it, I was surprised: it stated that the stage of commodity circulation in the economy had exhausted itself, that it was necessary to move on to product exchange between the city and the countryside. It was an incredibly leftist bend. I explained it by the fact that Stalin, apparently, planned to carry out the construction of communism in our country during his lifetime, which, of course, was an unrealistic thing.
        Apparently the Leader just fell into insanity in his old age
  3. +51
    4 October 2018 05: 39
    Well, what!
    For the development of machine tool industry in Russia from 2011 to 2015, as much as $ 600 million was allocated in the Government program
    $ 1 billion to repair the Bolshoi Theater
    At the Olympics, $ 10 billion
    At the World Cup - $ 15 billion
    And Mr. Rybolovlev, a friend of Mr. Trutnev, bought paintings at Sotheby's for 2 billion. $ (Thanks to Putin for the lowest tax in the world, cho!)
    Well, where is our machine tool industry now?
    Well, figs with him, we’ll drive football ...
    Here is such an HPP
    And now those Susanins who led us to this d ... will fix everything, yes! They will lead us on a broad road, we believe them! Well we voted for Putin, but he will not lie, yes!
    Keep your pocket wider.
    1. +21
      4 October 2018 09: 15
      Previously, sports news went at the end of the news release, but now they pop almost in the headline. Recently, they showed how, somewhere, they won something in gymnastics, half-time. Well, Viner-Usmanova, of course, gave interviews. On TV there are continuous "people's artists", what kind of industry is that ?! Solid artists, yes athletes
    2. -15
      4 October 2018 12: 24
      Our machine tool industry is developing at a good pace and we do the CNC software ourselves.
      1. +18
        4 October 2018 14: 43
        Ahahah ...
        Release of machine tools in Russia according to Dan. Ministry of Industry and Trade

        2001 - 8283 units, of which CNC - 254
        2006 - 5149 units, of which CNC - 284
        2011 - 3300 units, of which CNC - 195
        2015 - 3400 units, of which CNC - 204
        For comparison
        (1990- 74141pcs, with CNC - 16 741)
        If this is what "development" looks like, then it’s even scary to think what the crisis looks like.
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  5. +26
    4 October 2018 05: 59
    IT WAS !!!


    WILL BE !!!
    1. +10
      4 October 2018 09: 38
      But in general, everything is already going to this. Payment for garbage collection is already increasing. There is talk about the flow of untreated rain and melt water into water bodies, which causes damage to the environment (we are waiting for a tax on precipitation). They can introduce a tax on planting and maintenance of green spaces (we are waiting for a tax on air). Well, it may be called differently, but everyone will be obliged to pay. Here they’ll break in another collection from Plato and introduce a collection on the roads from all vehicles. We pay transport tax and pay excise taxes on fuel !? Well, the owners of heavy trucks also pay, plus an entrepreneur’s license. We all cry about bad roads. As you find yourself behind the sign-settlement, so bring it to the cashier. Then we will live !?
  6. -33
    4 October 2018 06: 08
    That's what would not argue for nothing. I have a sq .92 sq. The house is new 24 storey. 4 elevators. Two children's rooms, the bedroom is a huge kitchen. Wardrobe. Everywhere light that does not always turn off. Each room has a TV that also work. There are two Internet TV consoles, plus a Wi-Fi router and signal amplifiers. The washing machine always turns something, the coffee machine works (the wife of the coffee machine), a refrigerator in the kitchen alone, a small one on the balcony. The game console at the senior, plus a stationary computer. I also have a laptop all the time on the network. Phones are always on charge, my tablets and wives. Electric heater for water. Heated floors are electric. Summer kondeya yet. And other little things like microwaves, combine harvesters, slow cookers, etc.
    as a result of figs up to 400, I at least once got even in the summer in the wild heat. I’m starting to relate to saving normally, there will be 100 less. Technology does not stand still. We are throwing so much money into the air, sometimes even ridiculously. Two children live with us.
    1. +35
      4 October 2018 06: 44
      I don’t believe it. With all of the above (besides, LED lamps, a LED TV and not one) I have less than 500 kW. And with kondeem, all 800. (no electric heating floors), house with electric stoves. wink
      1. +33
        4 October 2018 06: 59
        Quote: Snail N9
        I don’t believe it. With all of the above (besides, LED lamps, a LED TV and not one) I have less than 500 kW. And with kondeem, all 800. (no electric heating floors), house with electric stoves. wink

        Yes, this is in the course of the "regular approver" of all state-oh garbage.
        It’s like in a joke: if tomorrow the government passes a law that every Saturday the Russians will shove a shovel from the shovel in the rectum, then there will be people who will approve of this. Like, it's good for the prostate, like massage. And they will run to take the turn, so that they would be free early on Saturday.
        With the pension reform it was the same on the portal - there were people who joyfully supported it.
        Or maybe they are on a salary.
        1. -15
          4 October 2018 07: 08
          I do not approve or appreciate. Or protest. I get enough to not think about it at all. I just see the numbers, and I just react to them with personal information.
          1. +5
            4 October 2018 14: 22
            You approve, although personally you can call it whatever you like, this is not the first year of this "happiness" - social norm, and how you fit in - it is not clear, the technique of the house is about the same, and everything is fine with the energy efficiency class, but now we are getting along, and in summer - no, splits, and despite the summer increase in the norm
            1. -2
              4 October 2018 14: 26
              Well, if you think that I pay more fetish then you’re mistaken))) I’m just not making a tragedy out of this.
              1. +2
                4 October 2018 15: 51
                It's not about tragedy - why do they want to make me pay for everything?
                And who decides this? Finish out, is it really incomprehensible, or is it based solely on Zolotov? In vain they are so. Vanya harnesses for a long time, but oh, how fast does it go - is this definitely necessary ???
                1. -2
                  4 October 2018 15: 55
                  I have no idea) in 2014 I lost so much in dollars because of the jump in zp in the dollar equivalent that now I don’t care at all
                2. -11
                  4 October 2018 16: 02
                  Quote: kitt409
                  Why do they want to make me pay for everything?

                  Maybe because what you consume is worth the money? wink

                  Zadolbali aching already. Not IN, but some kind of crying wall negative

                  Quote: kitt409
                  Vanya harnesses for a long time, but oh rides how fast

                  From experience: a dog that barks will not bite Yes
                  1. +1
                    4 October 2018 17: 40
                    The amount consumed has already become worth the money ??? bully
                    Engage in your demagoguery elsewhere, but about whining - or else it will be, if something does not suit you - these are your problems ...
                    And about dogs - is it your own experience so writing ??
                    For you personally - since September 9, I stopped any excuse for the actions of the authorities, now - only the truth and nothing but the truth, and try to do something with it bully
                    1. -6
                      4 October 2018 17: 57
                      Quote: kitt409
                      The amount consumed has already become worth the money ???

                      Yeah. And what's so, purely formally if?

                      Quote: kitt409
                      about dogs - it's you from your own experience so write

                      Yeah ... the dog itself, and not the first.

                      Quote: kitt409
                      try to do something with it

                      Yes, you, as such, are absolutely parallel to me. Just permanent nagging is slightly annoying ... And so - yes, read, sing, dance ... to me - exactly request
                      1. +4
                        4 October 2018 18: 06
                        So I’m absolutely parallel to your attitude, I don’t like it - don’t read, I express my opinion what the problem is, but that you didn’t understand the essence of some things in my post, it’s rather pleasing ...
                        And about purely formal - wait for the number of cutlets per day you will be determined by an uncle official, it’s not so long to wait bully
                      2. -7
                        4 October 2018 20: 28
                        Quote: kitt409
                        the essence of some things in my post you did not understand

                        Yah? There is, understand whatturns out to be? belay
                        You are crying that you are offended by bad guys and you are threatening someone who is not clear with what. Actually, that's all your "post".
                        My difference from you is only that I do not cry or threaten, but I perceive all this ... as a phenomenon of nature, for example. You don't take offense at the rain, I hope? Or is it also "yes"? wink

                        Quote: kitt409
                        wait for the number of cutlets per day you will be uncle official determine

                        To me? It is unlikely laughing
                      3. +1
                        5 October 2018 06: 23
                        Well, as for you, it’s hardly more than your dreams, Monya, someone will think about asking you)
                        About rain - nothing more than your usual demagogy, but what you don’t understand is happy, it’s just that I’ll drop everything and tell you everything))) wait))) but the meaning is that it’s approved - as you do not understand, this is good)
                      4. -4
                        5 October 2018 06: 34
                        Quote: kitt409
                        what you don’t understand - it’s just good, so I’ll drop everything and tell you everything))) wait)))

                        We have such devices,
                        But we will not tell you about them (s))))

                        Quote: kitt409
                        but the meaning is

                        It’s good to pull the strings in vain ... it is said no, that means no.

                        Quote: kitt409
                        ... approvingly ...

                        ... shove yourself where you see fit. I do not understand and do not approve some government action. This is so, by the way.

                        Sha, no longer feed )))
                      5. 0
                        5 October 2018 19: 38
                        First you shove, and no other way)
                        And what is said and by whom, especially with your reputation - to me a light bulb, if a person is not able to understand - these are his problems)
                        And those comments that catch my eye, yours, especially approving, however, these are your problems, I already wrote - you want a cutlet limit - it is just around the corner, and you continue to dream further that it will not affect you personally, not like that etc...
      2. -4
        4 October 2018 07: 06
        Gas stove, electric oven. Well, for September, my performance. The lamps are all almost dots, LED. There are no chandeliers and other delirium. I always chose all equipment with 4 for energy saving, maybe this is the point
        1. -5
          4 October 2018 10: 30
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          Gas stove...

          ... and in the second photo, next to the refrigerator, is the balloon from which she (the stove) feeds? It's funny, I've never seen anything like this in "electric" houses ...
          1. 0
            4 October 2018 10: 32
            Water bottle)))))) gas-fired house)))
            1. -2
              4 October 2018 11: 07
              Quote: Bull Terrier
              Water bottle

              Um ... I gave, march, Mach laughing

              Quote: Bull Terrier
              gas-fired house

              Quote: Bull Terrier
              New 24 storey house

              Even weirder ... we don’t build such ones.
              1. 0
                4 October 2018 11: 30
                Everything is simple here. I have below 10 floors) have not seen such houses yet?) At first they put the electric panel, it was supposedly safer, but then they redid it. And everything is super.
                1. +1
                  4 October 2018 11: 43
                  Quote: Bull Terrier
                  I have below 10 floors) have not seen such houses yet?) At first they put the electric panel, it was supposedly safer, but then redid

                  To advise belay

                  The mighty nature is full of wonders (s). No, I haven’t seen such phenomena yet.
                  1. 0
                    4 October 2018 12: 02
                    Yes, what a phenomenon it is) business) I saw such houses in Soviet times in Moscow. 16 floors, 10 with gas, 6 on electric stoves. In my opinion in Podolsk yet))) have you seen multi-story buildings with gas boiler houses on the roofs?))) Floors 17-18 there are definitely such houses.))) The rules have been changed for a long time. Soviet from 87 years old does not work))) installation of a gas analyzer in the apartment, with a valve at the counter and happiness to you)))
                    1. 0
                      4 October 2018 15: 53
                      Are neighbors happy too? Oh how different things happen ...
      3. +5
        4 October 2018 07: 19
        Quote: Snail N9
        house with electric stoves.

        here they are darling and guzzle oven 3 hob 4 kw
        1. -3
          4 October 2018 12: 27
          Induction cooker one hell better.
          1. 0
            8 October 2018 17: 18
            Siemens EH645FE17

            power consumption - 7200 watts;
            number of independent burners - 4
      4. +5
        4 October 2018 12: 53
        Quote: Snail N9
        I don’t believe it. With all of the above (besides, LED lamps, a LED TV and not one) I have less than 500 kW. And with kondeem, all 800. (no electric heating floors), house with electric stoves. wink

        I agree with you, the previous commentator lied a little
        1. -3
          4 October 2018 13: 39
          How?))) I just showed the screen of my payment) I don’t argue that someone is burning more? I just said that I have this)))
        2. 0
          4 October 2018 15: 19
          I have two water heaters, a house without hot water, an electric stove, a pair of computers, a couple of TV sets, etc. 600kw
    2. +7
      4 October 2018 07: 08
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      Everywhere light that does not always turn off.

      But you pay for it? And more expensive than they sell to China. wink
      1. -2
        4 October 2018 07: 11
        I have no idea what they are selling to China. How much I pay is visible on the screen from the office.
        1. +13
          4 October 2018 07: 22
          I have in odnushka 33sq.m more than 250sq. runs over. Moreover, the light is constantly off
          1. -1
            4 October 2018 07: 36
            I don’t know him, how do you achieve such numbers))) I have one kitchen according to your statistics should do 200))) my brother has already bought a washing machine for some reason, not expensive. I used it for several years, and then bought a normal indesit. In the receipts for the light, the numbers simply collapsed. Well, here's a photo of the kitchen, everything works and the indicators are normal.

            there’s a hood, a dishwasher. It was not in vain that my wife was sitting like a troll from the sofa)))
            1. 0
              5 October 2018 10: 44
              my kitchen is made in exactly the same style as yours, only the layout is different - where you have a table, a refrigerator and a sink, a kettle with a crock-pot in the center on the corner, where this photo was taken, the entrance to the balcony, and next to the table
              where you have a kettle, built-in dishwasher

              ps even the sides below are the same)))
    3. +14
      4 October 2018 07: 18
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      I’m starting to relate to saving normally, there will be 100 less. Technology does not stand still.

      but in the village they’ll get there without any problems, by the way about light, if you have energy-saving lamps, then you can’t see it like 5-7 W, but if you have everything connected to electricity from water to heating, from cooking to cooking cattle feed then I'm sorry
      1. +11
        4 October 2018 10: 14
        I will not speak for this brow, he probably works for Tolik Chub with nanotechnology, secret technology, with such an expense. energy.
        I will say for myself. House near Vyborg, in the village. Well, water is supplied to the house by hydrophore. No garden. Shower, sink in the kitchen. Microwave, refrigerator, TV. Electric boiler for hot water. Lighting LEDs. Pellet boiler. Now I do not turn it on. I flood the bedroom with a panel. Laptop.
        Gas stove, balloon gas. Nearby are gas pipelines in the direction of Finland, our villages are not gasified. Go high voltages in the same direction. Now they dig under new pipes, like replacing old ones. The forest has been cut down. They do not pay for gas transit through the territory of the Vyborg region. And Merkel doesn’t worry about us as if she were.
        Three times washed the car by Carcher. I live now alone, my wife in St. Petersburg
        Spring for August (summer) 340 kW. During the summer. I spend several days in St. Petersburg.
        Well, I'm alien, okay. That's how the locals will be. They have gardens, pump water for irrigation. Many have electric boilers for heating.
        Now about the village. The places here in Karelian are beautiful. From St. Petersburg to Vyborg goes Skorostnaya, Swallow. There is a bus to the village. All OK. There is a boutiques. There is no garbage, they made a platform for trash, brought tanks. Then they removed it. One can see the PR move of the deputy before the election. The people do not want to conclude an agreement, they simply do not have money, and piles of garbage grow in the forests, and whoever lazy just throws them on the road. Nearer.
        Many have cottages, their ancestors after the Finns were moved here after the war. These houses were dragged from Finnish farms, now they are shacks.
        But there is good news. The Vyborg-Svetogorsk highway used to be municipal, you yourself understand how after the war. It was transit through one point from Scandinavia. It is seen that the authorities became ashamed of the West, began overhaul of the road to the border, transferring it to federal status. They do it thoroughly.
        And of course, everyone is waiting for 2019. Volodin said that the villagers will be allowed to collect fallen leaves! Let's start putting Russian stoves !!!! And free to warm at home. This will not work in the city. A Russian stove is not only heating, but food can also be prepared. Water can be carried in buckets, and light can be burned. In short, went into turbulence .....
        1. 0
          4 October 2018 10: 19
          Unlike everyone without nanotechnology, I just opened my personal account in the application and made a screen that I’ve burned for 9 months. All. And stupidly posted a photo of his one kitchen where everything that works on it is visible. And the conclusions are of little concern to me. I like that.
        2. +3
          4 October 2018 12: 54
          Quote: ROBIN-SON
          Well, I'm alien, okay. That's how the locals will be. They have gardens, pump water for irrigation. Many have electric boilers for heating.

          without electric boiler average consumption 400-500
          1. 0
            6 October 2018 12: 36
            My son came to me. We hunt in those parts. He lived for 4 days. On the street during the day to + 10C, and at night to 0 C. In the house + 15. But damp. The boiler did not turn on. Used: in my room, an infrared emitter, in his oil heater. For 6 days from October 120, 4 kW. Heating, water station and water heater. At night from the 5th to the 3th -XNUMX C. !!
        3. Alf
          +2
          4 October 2018 17: 56
          Quote: ROBIN-SON
          Volodin said that the villagers will be allowed to collect fallen leaves!

          As soon as the villagers begin to collect it in large quantities, they will introduce a fee for the collection aimed at planting new trees, otherwise "if you collect everything, what will you collect tomorrow, the trees do not grow for free, they need to be planted, they must be looked after, and nobody is free will not do ".
    4. +5
      4 October 2018 09: 37
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      That's what would not argue for nothing. I have a sq .92 sq. The house is new 24 storey. 4 elevators. Two children's rooms, the bedroom is a huge kitchen. Wardrobe. Everywhere light that does not always turn off. Each room has a TV that also work.

      Who would have thought that you wouldn’t share your ability to live and happiness again! laughing
      I, too, can find such a receipt for the summer month, and even when I spent all of it on vacation outside the house! laughing
      1. 0
        4 October 2018 09: 55
        Left month and year. I share the facts. On personal experience.
        1. +3
          4 October 2018 10: 03
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          Left month and year

          smiled when you consider that there is no month
          and if you consider that you have an electric welding panel, I would check your meter in place of electricians - it will
          1. 0
            4 October 2018 10: 13
            Open. 9 month
            1. +2
              4 October 2018 11: 32
              Quote: Bull Terrier
              0
              Open. 9 month

              well, then open your edge is cut off and the month is not visible
              1. -1
                4 October 2018 12: 18
                9.2018 clearly visible
                1. +1
                  4 October 2018 12: 56
                  uh and this is a month and not 09, 19 or 29 day ?!
                  1. -1
                    4 October 2018 13: 42
                    Well, I do not live in Europe) the number of months, a year is the norm)
                    this is enough to close the topic?)))
                    1. +2
                      4 October 2018 17: 44
                      you're nervous in vain, then with your initial 250 crap it's a fact
          2. -1
            4 October 2018 10: 21
            What kind of panel?))) If it’s about a gas stove) the electric one is all so cool burned out, I put the gas one. Do you want to show a check?))) The photo is not the newest) I put it for the general background of electrical appliances)
            1. +2
              4 October 2018 11: 32
              Quote: Bull Terrier
              What panel?)))

              which is in the photo
              Quote: Bull Terrier
              photo is not the newest

              then it wasn’t necessary to spread it and don’t make laugh about 250 kilos, for the sake of all the saints you either do not use the equipment with the leftist,
              1. -3
                4 October 2018 13: 51
                Well, come))) I argue with someone? What is my conviction? For someone I vote or agitate? I'm just sharing as mine. I do not ask for your approval? So I spend so much. I’m crying about 1500 (just rounded up) Do I need your approval or is there criticism? No) you want, do not believe. I do not care. Here is a screen for you, here is a photo for you. Spend more? For God's sake. And I am less. For this mustache) you, in my opinion, will dig into every little detail to please your beliefs, when you can just look and understand. And not 250 but more. Do not use? Everything in the photo. Light, telly, refrigerator, TV set-top box. Stupidly in one kitchen.
                1. +4
                  4 October 2018 14: 52
                  Quote: Bull Terrier
                  What is my conviction? For someone I vote or agitate?

                  Yeah .. And the wife receives a doctor 100-150 a month in the clinic, and you get even more, and his brother (if I am not mistaken) has a construction company for 1500 happy workers.
                  I wonder how you do it? It’s also possible to save on petarism when you don’t get out of the forums - just touch the manuals in them !? request
                  1. -2
                    4 October 2018 14: 57
                    She works in a private clinic, a dermocosmetologist. Judging by their price list, they still don’t pay extra. Brother is not me. He has his own life. I do not save on it, just like that I have it. Is that all?))) I appear on the forum when I have time. Given the time difference with Moscow +7 hours, this is quite normal. I like to read smart article people. And discuss them.
                    1. +2
                      4 October 2018 15: 04
                      Quote: Bull Terrier
                      Brother is not me. At

                      But you boasted! laughing As everybody????? And about the rest ?! request Do not share with the people how to live without such a rich forum ?! wink Ali pay for it ?! lol
                      1. -2
                        4 October 2018 15: 12
                        What forums? I come here for lunch, I read that interestingly. I have it about 13 days. Plus, minus. In Moscow, 6 a.m. If one slag, stupidly turn off. In the evening, more time, I can talk. This is my relaxation. I do not drink, do not smoke. I have my own ways of relaxing. I bragged about it, you apparently understood in your own way, for it was said once and in a certain context.
                      2. 0
                        5 October 2018 10: 47
                        Quote: Bull Terrier
                        What forums? I come here for lunch, I read that interestingly. I have it about 13 days. Plus, minus. In Moscow, 6 a.m. If one slag, stupidly turn off. In the evening, more time, I can talk. This is my relaxation. I do not drink, do not smoke. I have my own ways of relaxing. I bragged about it, you apparently understood in your own way, for it was said once and in a certain context.

                        06.08, 07.06, 07.08, 07.11, 07.36 (it looks like the lunch of the slog has tightened up !? winked But these are trifles, right? You probably decide when, where and for how long you should take food ?!) 09.55,10.13, 10.19, 10.21, 10.32 (did the working day end ?! and three hours from lunch did not pass (dragging out wink ) Really harmful working conditions !? belay ), 11.30, 12.02, 12.18,13.39,13.42,13.51, 14.26, 14.57, 15.12, 15.55. - If even for 1 minute !!! - I think you overpay! laughing But you need to read, and insert photos, and write. smile
              2. +1
                4 October 2018 15: 27
                Normally there is 362kW. Without electric stove if, kondeya, water heater and underfloor heating. It’s better not to include floors
  7. +16
    4 October 2018 06: 08
    Oh! ... Again, "unpopular decisions" continue to materialize .... But couldn't a Candidate, like Luther, immediately nail the entire list of "unpopular decisions" on the door of the Central Executive Committee?
    1. +3
      4 October 2018 16: 07
      Then the Candidate might have finished as Martin Luther ... King laughing
  8. +22
    4 October 2018 06: 20
    This is really a bad government of Medvedev, but radishes and good Putin are being substituted, ay yay yay.
    That is exactly what 77% of the electorate thinks of, and this is the electorate and not the thinking citizens.
    But the essence of the reform: let's imagine that you came to buy potatoes in the market. You buy 10kg for 20rub.kg and if you want 30 then pay 25rub.kg. Nonsense. But no. On the market you can buy 20 kg from different sellers at least 100 times 20 rubles each, but from a monopolist - FIG. The state knows and uses it.
    We urgently need to write to Putin, otherwise he does not know how a "bad government" rips people off.
    And now he switches to the news "there are Ukrainians" and we laugh at how stupid they are.
    1. -20
      4 October 2018 07: 24
      The rate of electricity consumption is necessary primarily for the normal functioning of power plants. Overproduction of electricity leads to an increase in the cost of electricity. Lack of critical power outages. The norm is justified and existed earlier.
      1. +6
        4 October 2018 11: 08
        You are either off topic or a little cheater.
        1. 0
          4 October 2018 15: 42
          I only know about nuclear power plants that you cannot change power instantly. About the fact that when designing the power grid, the design capacity is laid, you yourself know, this is both TP and wires, and the station. If we take, for example, a diesel generator, but do not remove current from it, it’s just that it will eat less fuel and it will work idling, figuratively speaking, I’m aware of the fact
      2. -2
        4 October 2018 12: 33
        For excess electricity, there are drives.
        1. +1
          4 October 2018 14: 33
          Quote: Vadim237
          For excess electricity, there are drives.

          batteries chtoli? Home on a rainy day you can stock up? belay
        2. 0
          4 October 2018 15: 52
          And what will happen if the load "jumps" abruptly. If "let's get a station for 20MW, and let's, what's the difference to us how much we need there"
      3. 0
        4 October 2018 20: 06
        Drive the snowstorm! Modern power systems are ringed. If somewhere is not enough, then in another part of the country there is an oversupply. Driven generators should operate optimally. At night, consumption is less, and therefore there is a low tariff. This is not a gift from power engineers, but the need to load generators with load.
        Our country is large, morning in the east, night in Moscow. Your example is an autonomous power station, and modern power supply systems use algorithms, mathematical control models. I don’t know, maybe Chubais destroyed everything and control is carried out manually ...
        1. +1
          4 October 2018 20: 32
          . and the need to load load generators

          I’m talking about this. This is the quality of electricity. Which plant will be able to work with phase imbalance of more than 5%. Do the wires themselves thicken when looped back? Our city is fed by two lines. One of the systems went down and the plants were shut down. But what if it's steel. Norms were for everyone and always. And fines. It can only be a review of them. Which of the power plants will increase capacity in five minutes with a break in the line supplying the industrial zone?
  9. +26
    4 October 2018 06: 23
    Ha ha. And the "six-year" has just begun. So our "leadership" has an unplowed field of rip-off.
  10. +21
    4 October 2018 06: 34
    Well, why not make fun of the population, which in the 90s wanted bright wrappers, Pepsi and capitalist "paradise"?
    It was not then known to us that the life of a worker in the West became such only because the rich there, using the example of the USSR, quickly understood that something had to be given to the hard worker so that he would not take EVERYTHING. They were given both trade unions, social programs, and even the illusion of democracy with justice.
    Well, for now we have successfully managed without all of this - the people are essentially silent.
    1. +19
      4 October 2018 07: 09
      Uh-uh. Remember Kudrya, being a minister, said that in modern Russia there are still many "remnants" of the socialist system in the form of all kinds of "gratuities", "benefits", social payments, indexation, and other things, which impose an additional burden on the state and business and in the capitalist system everything this cannot be allowed, it is necessary, on the one hand, to remove all these "remnants of the socialist system", and on the other hand, to accustom citizens to the idea that nothing is "free" - absolutely everything (even time and clean air and ecology) costs money and everything will have to to pay. Like, if something costs like that in "Europe", then in Russia it cannot be cheaper, given its distance .... When asked about "European salaries", he habitually squinted his eyes, starting an old lying organ about, supposedly, "low labor efficiency" .... Now Kudrya is again hanging around in the power structures, along with the old shobla of effective managers who zealously, having already discarded all the conventions, began to liquidate the entire social sector in Russia and monetize absolutely all aspects of life and everyday life in the country.
    2. +3
      4 October 2018 09: 44
      Quote: Moore
      It was not then known to us that the life of a worker in the West became such only because the rich there, using the example of the USSR, quickly understood that something had to be given to the hard worker so that he would not take EVERYTHING. They were given both trade unions, social programs, and even the illusion of democracy with justice.
      Well, we still successfully manage without it.

      So the Soviet Union! Now you can, what you want to do - there is no other example! laughing
      1. +4
        4 October 2018 11: 12
        You can’t imagine what a person is capable of, who finally realized that he has no other choice.
        Jean Reno

        So not everything is so bad if we are a people, not an obedient herd!
  11. +24
    4 October 2018 06: 51
    . someone purposefully "merges" GDP

    He's worth it. Would be normal - reacted!
    The situation is painfully clear. First, Putin and Chubais dismembered the best in the world, with the cheapest electricity, RAO UES. Distributed in their own way. Now they are lifting up prices!
    So I spoke about this at the very beginning, when Chubais only conceived it! Glory to Putin! To the fairest and kindest ruler!
    1. +3
      4 October 2018 09: 45
      Glory to Putin! To the fairest and kindest ruler! # With everything, the rest is the law !?
    2. +6
      4 October 2018 09: 46
      Quote: Stas157
      dismembered the best in the world, with the cheapest electricity, RAO UES

      Moreover, under the slogan of creating a market in this industry, therefore, - competition and cheaper! laughing Then it was still clear that flows were distributed across different pockets.
  12. +24
    4 October 2018 06: 52
    And tell me .. and how the "brilliant" reforms of our government differ from the no less "brilliant" reforms carried out in Ukraine .. It looks like nothing. There is a Bandera-pro-American government, and we have an anti-American government. The revival of Russia, which someone, when I put it on its knees ... The Government of the People's Trust ... I won't be surprised when they tell us on all broadcasts: You began to breathe a lot ... And artificial people will replace you ... The crematorium is being built ...
    1. +4
      4 October 2018 07: 40
      Alexei, something like this:
    2. +17
      4 October 2018 08: 05
      And tell me .. and how the "brilliant" reforms of our government differ from no less "brilliant" reforms carried out in Ukraine

      here is a quote from the internet
      Maidan in Kiev stood for:
      1. Raising the retirement age.
      2. The increase in utility bills.
      3. Increase in fuel prices.
      4. The increase in gas prices.
      5. The increase in electricity prices.

      We are not stupid dill, we have done without burning riot police, overthrowing the president, secession of territories. Somehow they themselves coped with these tasks, without Maidan.
  13. +4
    4 October 2018 06: 52
    In Kazakhstan, we have long had such a system. Only the norm is given not for home ownership, but for the number of people living there. I live in a village, 5 people are registered, while I fit into this norm.
  14. +1
    4 October 2018 07: 01
    We have no capitalism. Capitalism is when someone opens a plant in their city and drinks juices from workers wink
    1. -13
      4 October 2018 12: 35
      He opened it, but I don’t drink juices from the workers, I pay them a salary, along with bonuses.
      1. +10
        4 October 2018 13: 42
        You appropriate the income from the manufactured product of the labor of the workers. How many times is the difference in your incomes and theirs, benefactor? This became possible because your pahan-drunk shot the legitimate Soviet power from tanks, crushing a bunch of people, a murderer and a usurper. No need to give such arguments here, there are few young people at the forum, people are mostly adults and remembering how it should be right.
        1. -7
          4 October 2018 14: 46
          Your so-called legitimate Soviet regime, brought the stronghold to the collapse and subsequent catastrophe of the 90s - you would have flown to tartaras if it hadn’t been for Putin and everyone who didn’t care - and you continued to pray further for mummies from the Communist Party - they will always be bright for a communist a light in the dark kingdom. My profit is 20 times more, but no one complains about the salary, since it is one of the highest in the region.
          1. +8
            4 October 2018 15: 35
            The Soviet power was not involved in the collapse of the USSR in any way. The Masonic clan brought us down from behind a puddle and a strait, for a long time and purposefully introducing a barge psychology (you are the product of this activity) and agents of influence - reincarnations. And he dumped, having received a trump card not killed, a marked shape-shifter on the imperial throne. As millions of Red Army soldiers were surrendered in 41 traitorous generals. Remember at what cost later you had to win back the lost. Although your tribe, already at the present time, sort of joked that "in vain, they say, now - they would drink Bavarian". I'm sick of your cheerful comments about a person who is the blacksmith of his own happiness. How did he raise the dough to the little factory, earned it with a hump, or got in on time?
            But I don’t pray for party leaders of the USSR, I don’t pray at all. They did a lot of things, not visionary riveting only the armor and completely forgetting about the everyday component of the life of Soviet citizens. But they are a million times more honest and loyal to the idea of ​​the present, except for profit and selfishness that do not see anything. They were statesmen, and your beloved was a director, an aligarhat.
        2. -1
          4 October 2018 17: 35
          And why, specifically, Vadim 237 attacked. Did he grab something? Smog and well done. I understand that he does not write that he suffers from an excess of money
      2. +11
        4 October 2018 16: 10
        Quote: Vadim237
        Opened

        What did you discover? A factory for the production of fried pies, or a bench for the production of paving slabs and cinder blocks? How many workers at your mega enterprise, at least reach the unfortunate hundred?
        Quote: Vadim237
        Your so-called legitimate Soviet power, brought the stronghold to collapse and the subsequent catastrophe of the 90s - flew into tartarra

        Over its entire thousand-year history, Russia has been able to reach the forefront and become a superpower precisely under the USSR! As soon as the USSR was gone, Russia confidently slid into the backyards, among developed countries, with its GDP growth at the level of error.
        Quote: Vadim237
        My profit is 20 times more, but no one complains about the salary, since it is one of the highest

        It is not surprising to pay a salary "slightly higher than in the region" in a country where the average salary is $ 500 and lower than in China.
        P.S. It is amazing to meet a successful entrepreneur, here at VO, and spending whole days writing comments! Where do you get so much free time from when you work at night?
        1. 0
          4 October 2018 17: 43
          I would open mega, I would become an "official-oligarch". About the average salary in China not from Navalny? And regarding the USSR, I think he will return, at least I would like to, only without revolutions
          1. +5
            4 October 2018 18: 08
            Quote: igorbrsv
            About the average salary in China, not from Navalny?

            And that you have Navalny, is this the only source of information? Sorry, I’m not looking at Navalny.
  15. +4
    4 October 2018 07: 10
    in Sevastopol
    up to 150 kW - 3.11 rub
    from 150 to 600 kW - 3.66 rub
    over 600 kW -6.06 rubles
    for gas so
    up to 3500 cubic meters per year -
    3863rub per 1000 cube
    over 3500-
    7895 rub per 1000 cube
    1. +8
      4 October 2018 08: 10
      funny (through tears): Rostov-on-Don, according to the social norm, is up to 180 - 3.83 rubles ... And the Rostov nuclear power plant is closer ...
      1. +9
        4 October 2018 09: 29
        Closer ... We have our own power station in the city, but the city consumer cannot buy it directly, you need to buy electricity from the mountains, which in turn buys from another supplier .... There are so many outbids and sellers of air ....
    2. +2
      4 October 2018 15: 29
      in the Volga region gas - 5.57 rubles per cubic electric-day-4.24 and night-2.58 ...
  16. +7
    4 October 2018 07: 14
    if the rural family has at least some subsidiary farming, a greenhouse or a greenhouse
    a rural house without a greenhouse, which by the way just does without electricity, will consume more - water, cooking, power tools, etc. in fact, like apartments with electric stoves, they were a wholesale buyer
  17. +11
    4 October 2018 07: 21
    Probably few of us will be surprised if it turns out that the “economically feasible” tariff is just such a cost for the consumer, at what electricity is sold, for example, to China.
    In China, we sell electricity at 1,5 rubles per kWh, and in the village from 2 to 8,2 per kWh ..................
    1. +2
      4 October 2018 08: 40
      this is not an indicator the wholesale price and retail are different things, provided that we sell and consume different electricity
      1. +4
        4 October 2018 11: 34
        yes, at least 100 minuses the price of high voltage and low electricity will be different; the price when buying 100 megawatts and 100 kilowatts will also be different
  18. +23
    4 October 2018 07: 22
    Interestingly, the author writes:
    a similar experiment was conducted in Russia recently, in 2013-2014. Then, a “social tariff” was already introduced in several areas, and this did not lead to anything good.

    An experiment in our Krasnoyarsk Territory has not been conducted, and has long been no longer an experiment. As in 2013 they introduced the social norm, it remained. There is no gas in the houses, everyone cooks on electric stoves. Up to 300 kW / h - 1p 66k., Everything above - 2p 65k. In my kopeck piece there are only LED lamps, no kondeya. And while the average amount per calculation is 600 - 700 rubles. Every month approx. 350 kWh burns out. At the cottage, generally strictly at 2p 65 K. the tariff, there is no social norm. A forge welder is expensive. And while there are hydroelectric power stations on the Yenisei River, they generate energy. Divnogorsk hydroelectric station is less than 100 km from me. The aluminum plant does not consume as much as before. There is an excess of energy, and these p..y even two-rate meters do not provide for installation - no, that's all. So get ready, Russians, for the same lawlessness as in our region.
    1. +7
      4 October 2018 07: 47
      Two-tariff meters, by the way, are also quiet robbery. I thought that I could benefit from the night tariff only if washing, ironing, cooking in the electric oven and boiling in the electric kettle were carried out at night. And switched to a single tariff.
      1. +2
        4 October 2018 08: 25
        Quote: Snakebyte
        only if washing

        washing and washing dishes without problems can be put
    2. 0
      4 October 2018 10: 47
      Quote: kuznec
      Up to 300 kW / h - 1p 66k., Everything above - 2p 65k

      Curly live wink

      Near Zamkadye, "electric house" (in the sense, the stove is also electric). 3,71 rubles / kW * h. for September 2018.
      1. +1
        4 October 2018 16: 15
        In Krasnoyarsk, a total of 75 kW per person social rate is 1,66 rubles per kilowatt. The same kopeck piece and without saving less than 300 kW per month.
      2. +1
        4 October 2018 16: 47
        We have expensive heating. The season begins in the 1st half of September, and ends at the end of May. The rent for 50 squares + electricity in 6500-7500 come out.
        In addition, Roma, we have a smaller average salary. Not median, but average. You have much more rich people there, so the real hard worker gets 2 times less from us than you do.
  19. +2
    4 October 2018 07: 34
    Quote: igorlvov
    in Sevastopol
    up to 150 kW - 3.11 rub
    from 150 to 600 kW - 3.66 rub
    over 600 kW -6.06 rubles
    for gas so
    up to 3500 cubic meters per year -
    3863rub per 1000 cube
    over 3500-
    7895 rub per 1000 cube

    By the way, I don’t get into gas standards, so I pay extra 2 times as much for electricity, I pay an average of 600 kW in a private house for 2000 rubles + -, in the apartment I get 300 kW at our prices 1000 rubles + -
  20. +10
    4 October 2018 07: 41
    Guys, what are you breaking spears, just the GDP is a specially trained agent of influence of the Western special services, and then everything becomes clear. All our "key" industries have long belonged to Western moneybags, they seem to have raised an army in public, but in fact they turned it into a private enterprise, where the goal is not to protect the Motherland and the people, but to earn money, but they use it only against their own people, but not external enemies.
  21. 0
    4 October 2018 07: 44
    more or less productive personal computer consumes about five hundred watts of electricity
    All the same, it’s really a little less. 350-400 and this is at its peak.
    And for the sake of completeness, let's remember about the refrigerator, working 24 hours a day, 365 days a week.
    The refrigerator works less than half the time. It fully eats energy only at the moment of operation of the compressor, which turns off after cooling to a predetermined temperature. And the electronics that provide its work and really turned on 24 consumes some crumbs hours a day.
  22. +10
    4 October 2018 07: 49
    .... somewhere there ... high up is the candidate economic Spider ....
    That's how the brain grabbed this offer in the morning ...
  23. +15
    4 October 2018 08: 03
    By the way, the author forgot, but maybe he’s not yet in the know because it was at the last forum. So, an economist Putin proudly declared that Russia will supply not only gas but also electricity to Europe.
    1. +3
      4 October 2018 08: 16
      Quote: Gardamir
      economist Putin proudly stated that Russia would supply not only gas but also electricity to Europe.

      Yes, we have a lot of electricity, do not worry. Where to put it then? They used to consume a lot in the USSR, now we don’t need such capacities, let the Western bourgeoisie pay the euro, you see, and the ruble won’t sag.
      1. +3
        4 October 2018 08: 38
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Yes, we have a lot of electricity, do not worry

        so much thu in rural Xnumx kW per house
        1. +6
          4 October 2018 08: 42
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          so much thu in rural Xnumx kW per house

          So you need to put a lisped, fasten the dynamo to it, and twist in the evenings.
          1. +1
            4 October 2018 10: 04
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            and twist in the evenings.
            I still have clay
            1. +2
              4 October 2018 16: 24
              Then the potter’s wheel is better
      2. +5
        4 October 2018 09: 46
        In the Stavropol Territory, Solnechnodolskaya TPP runs interest on 25-30 power ... Nowhere to put electricity!
        1. +5
          4 October 2018 09: 48
          Quote: VIK1711
          In the Stavropol Territory, Solnechnodolskaya TPP runs interest on 25-30 power ... Nowhere to put electricity!

          What am I talking about? It is necessary to pull the wires to America.
  24. +5
    4 October 2018 08: 18
    And what's the point here puff and get angry. The construct is needed: to ignore all the programs and projects of United Russia (Tolstoy has become impudent - will present some new program on TV), recall the United Russia deputies, never vote for them again in any elected government, either locally, or in the Duma, nor in Council of Federations, throw all that is possible with letters. And you can on the Putin site, contact the clinic with everything we spit on: pressure, joints, eyesight. Suggest more
    1. +11
      4 October 2018 08: 49
      Yes, that's just the election is really falsified. Of my relatives and friends, no one voted for the ruling party, and they passed. They didn’t pass only in cities where not one person voted for them. And this is the part that you can write about. In fact, everything is worse.
      1. +2
        9 October 2018 08: 54
        I came to the polls around 18,00 hours. I DO NOT think everyone rushed to vote even later. So, in one ballot box (electronic run. Line) 148 ballots were registered, and in the other (and there were only 2 of them), mine was 47th. I asked the bored guards how many people should go here. They said 2000. These are the elections. 10% and everything went. I asked the observers: at what turnout the elections will be considered valid? They said with a laugh that with anyone. So they took place.
  25. +12
    4 October 2018 08: 36
    if someone doesn’t understand, then I recommend one more thing to remember: a couple of years ago, suddenly, the ORT and others became excited, the rosy-cheeked supporters of the pension reform suddenly at once convinced of the injustice of providing medical services to all parasites ... remember? well, start quietly saying goodbye to free medicine, the only question is when ... they don’t like the pension pseudo-reform, wait, the surprises are not over ...
  26. +2
    4 October 2018 08: 46
    No guys, this is already too much. They are bouncing that they will receive peasant uprisings in the provinces. How much blood can I drink. Take a breath, again press on the throat.
    1. Alf
      +1
      4 October 2018 18: 17
      Quote: Andrey160479
      They are bouncing that they will receive peasant uprisings in the provinces.

  27. +8
    4 October 2018 08: 55
    Yes, they are from the very beginning of their activity, they are only doing this, robbing, sawing, sharing their inheritance, creating, multiplying, creating it, they are not given, talking about pension reform, as a source of economic growth emphasize the baseness of their professionalism, stupidity, mediocrity . Yes, a born crawl cannot fly. This is for everyone sitting in high chairs.
  28. +3
    4 October 2018 08: 56
    "The unquenchable light of Moscow windows".
  29. 3vs
    +3
    4 October 2018 08: 58
    This is not to mine at home! Yes
  30. +12
    4 October 2018 09: 06
    The Great Man created the Great State!
  31. +4
    4 October 2018 09: 08
    We just do not expect anything good from these leaders, and this is JUSTIFIED by all their previous "work".
    Everything is natural.
    Horses at the crossing do not change, but these and the crossing could not be allowed, and they will interfere with crossing !!! The hump itself will have to take out these snickering, not hard-working horses, too.
  32. +11
    4 October 2018 09: 23
    Anecdote:
    Putin sat down at the Yeltsin table, opened the nightstand, and there were three envelopes from Yeltsin.
    The first one says: "If you start robbing people, open the first envelope."
    I started, opened it, and there was a note in it: "Blame everything on me."
    90s, difficult time, devastation, hunger, all things. Okay. I had a break.
    Looks at the second envelope, it says: "if you start tightening the screws, open the second envelope."
    I started, opened it, and there was a note in it: "blame everything on the states.
    Partners, the dollar, the terrorists, the conspiracy, all things. Okay. I had a break.
    At the very bottom is the third envelope, it says: "if you start genocide of the population, open the third envelope."
    I started, opened it, and in it: "prepare three envelopes."
  33. +2
    4 October 2018 09: 40
    Well, I don’t understand GDP .... well, it’s clear that the government headed by DAM is zero ... idiotic ideas with idiotic implementation and zero efficiency ... yes, in the country there are enough generating capacities ... the greed of company owners does not have already borders ....
    1. Alf
      +4
      4 October 2018 18: 22
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      Well, I do not understand GDP.

      Andrew ! What do you not understand? GDP is flesh from the flesh of the System; it is the same as those whom it has appointed to the government. They rule according to the principle-after us at least a flood.
  34. +1
    4 October 2018 09: 52
    The thing is that there is a big bias in the cost of kWh for industry and for the population. In fact, industry compensates for the cost of kWh for the population and they want to remove this bias. But with such measures, it will primarily hit non-comfortable apartments and villages. When there is no hot water supply, no gas, then people use either electricity or firewood.
  35. +6
    4 October 2018 09: 55
    Fellow citizens! And that we are different - offend us? In March, we all had the opportunity to change the country.
    And why did you vote for the "guarantor", who even managed to evade election promises? Or did they not come to the polls at all, donating their votes to this organized criminal group, which Ellochka Pamfilova wisely used?
    What about the recent election? Stay home again? And again, these scum win or cancel the election. And this is because the people are sitting at home and just whimpering at the next destruction of their rights and humiliation of dignity.
    From these to wait useful for the country and people is an empty matter. They must be swept out of power, preferably by peaceful means, in elections. Moreover, there is still a right to choose, since the recent elections showed this gang that where people come in large numbers to the elections, they lose. And we must expect that they will either cancel the elections or limit the people’s choice to a minimum.
    So sit and whine, and let’s go nowhere. And the grandchildren and great-grandchildren will curse us cowards and half-wits!
    1. +4
      4 October 2018 15: 26
      Quote: NordUral
      Fellow citizens! And that we are different - offend us? In March, we all had the opportunity to change the country.
      And why did you vote for the "guarantor", who even managed to evade election promises? Or did they not come to the polls at all, donating their votes to this organized criminal group, which Ellochka Pamfilova wisely used?
      What about the recent election? Stay home again? And again, these scum win or cancel the election. And this is because the people are sitting at home and just whimpering at the next destruction of their rights and humiliation of dignity.
      From these to wait useful for the country and people is an empty matter. They must be swept out of power, preferably by peaceful means, in elections. Moreover, there is still a right to choose, since the recent elections showed this gang that where people come in large numbers to the elections, they lose. And we must expect that they will either cancel the elections or limit the people’s choice to a minimum.
      So sit and whine, and let’s go nowhere. And the grandchildren and great-grandchildren will curse us cowards and half-wits!

      I subscribe to every word.
  36. -5
    4 October 2018 09: 56
    Regarding households, if they are not engaged in year-round commercial activities, then I’ll say this: a greenhouse or a greenhouse is a self-sufficient building that does not require electricity, the rest of the subsidiary farm requires mainly lighting, and far from 24 hours a day, but only 2- 3 hours.
    And personally, about 160 kW is consumed per month per family. So 300 kW is quite a normal figure.
    I won’t say how it is with the owners of electric stoves, because I don’t know.
    1. +1
      4 October 2018 10: 12
      I have an induction panel. It has certain disadvantages, but consumption is 2 times lower than an ordinary stove
      1. +1
        4 October 2018 10: 17
        Quote: yehat
        0
        I have an induction panel. It has certain disadvantages, but consumption is 2 times lower than an ordinary stove

        Yeah ... you can’t forbid to live beautifully, as they say laughing

        It only costs such a panel many times more than a comparable slab, doesn't it? And its savings will be repelled after 25 years of operation, no? wink
        1. +1
          4 October 2018 10: 26
          I did not take for economy. I have a whole white kitchen. and a white stove, bothering with a refrigerator, table, chairs, microwave, oven, etc. By the way, the stove itself is expensive there, and convenient touch control is expensive. And induction because it does not burn on it and it is very easy to return it to a white state. In fact, for me the only choice. it was a pleasure 3 years ago 18 tr., could be found for 16.

          Now I’m trying to understand whether it’s worth making the floor white ...

          ps of the minuses of the induction panel - effective only at high power, strong electromagnetic background, weight restrictions that can withstand,
          it does not tolerate spilling during cooking - it immediately overheats and turns off, requires only special dishes, there are difficulties maintaining a high temperature.
          1. +3
            4 October 2018 10: 42
            I have a whole white kitchen. and a white stove, bothering with a refrigerator, a table, chairs, a microwave, an oven, etc. ..... now I’m trying to understand whether it is worth making the floor white ..

            Um ... m .... you live in a hospital, or what? Then, do not forget the quartzists ... winked
          2. Alf
            +1
            4 October 2018 18: 25
            Quote: yehat
            strong electromagnetic background,

            Are you okay ? Keep EM weapons at home .. Flowers on the window still not wilted? ... still worth it?
            1. 0
              5 October 2018 10: 21
              flowers on the windowsill - the only thing that is not white, but green
              1. Alf
                +2
                5 October 2018 19: 31
                Quote: yehat
                flowers on the windowsill - the only thing that is not white, but green

                Replace with white, do not get out of the general background. laughing
        2. +1
          4 October 2018 10: 52
          Hello Jack. Your sarcasm is directed in the opposite direction! I am surprised. winked
        3. 0
          4 October 2018 11: 50
          Our plates cost from $ 35.
    2. -3
      4 October 2018 10: 21
      Quote: Less
      So 300kW is quite a normal figure

      I am also quite happy with it. Now I am exposed to 178 kW, "calculated theoretically". Once every six months - reconciliation (people finally crawl to the meter to take readings) - according to the results of this reconciliation, once every six months for e / e, either I do not pay vaasche, or I pay a penny.

      Electric stove, yes. And a kettle. And I alone request
  37. +4
    4 October 2018 10: 10
    this reform is another blow to people who want to have a little extra money,
    because tariffs limit their activity.

    By the way, the rich pay a lot less, just by signing shady methods of individual contracts, according to which energy costs a penny.
    1. -1
      4 October 2018 10: 22
      Quote: yehat
      the rich pay much less simply by entering into shady ways individual contracts, according to which energy costs a penny

      Oh, and teach? I want it too laughing
    2. Alf
      +1
      4 October 2018 18: 26
      Quote: yehat
      By the way, the rich pay a lot less, just by signing shady methods of individual contracts, according to which energy costs a penny.

      Or just connecting directly.
  38. +4
    4 October 2018 10: 19
    When you read this news, it is difficult to get rid of the thought that someone purposefully “merges” the GDP. Either pensions, "in Russia they will forbid to sell table salt", then motor fuel prices, then another crazy government initiative, like this one. Or is it GDP itself that squeezes the last juices out of Medvedev and his “eagles”, forcing them to push through unpopular reforms before resigning?
    "poor, poor pavel" (putin wanted to say). the man was not lucky at all: there is absolutely no cadre flair (he surrounded himself with enemies of all stripes - damned liberals who constantly substitute him), the country went to a rich, but the people are poor, gloomy and evil sing an assana to the benefactor for the growth of tariffs and vat + new taxes from 1.1.19, "reduction" of the retirement age for women from 63 to 60 (after all, the demography must be raised). all around were enemies and ambushes, and
    Naive and trusting, he believed in the veracity of the most incredible stories.
    .
  39. +13
    4 October 2018 10: 25
    I wanted to quote Lenin, but it turned out that in the opinion of VO it is - "The message contains text that is not acceptable for publication."
    1. +3
      4 October 2018 10: 49
      Yes, we do not have capitalism, only its caricature semblance with formal external signs.
      feudalism is steeper than the slave system capitalism is steeper than feudalism. socialism or communism is perhaps even cooler, but when there is no system at all, even primitive communal is more effective.
  40. +9
    4 October 2018 11: 25
    Higher and higher and higher .. We strive for a flight of our prices. And I remember a kilowatt for 4 kopecks. It's a shame Zin ... Where is our oil, where is our gasoline. It seems to be a national and national treasure. And hto stole it?
    1. +1
      4 October 2018 14: 47
      Quote: Alecsandr
      Where is our oil, where is our gasoline

      at gas stations "Lukoil" and others like him.
    2. Alf
      +1
      4 October 2018 18: 28
      Quote: Alecsandr
      And hto stole it?

      And who ALLOWED to do this?
  41. +8
    4 October 2018 11: 46
    the first one. The reform of RAO UES, carried out by Chubais by order of the president, transferred ALL generating facilities to oligarchic groups, i.e. “Private individuals”. And all unprofitable, requiring repair and administrative resources, this is transportation, i.e. power lines, networks, etc., left in the state. Thus, Medvedev is trying for the oligarchy. Spit on him country.
    The saddest thing is that these are real electricity coupons. For poverty.
  42. +7
    4 October 2018 12: 08
    There are no normal words ....
    Preparations are underway for the heating season. As usual, there is a leisurely battery connection. Part of the apartment is normal, the other half is a cold riser. The wife submitted the application a week ago. We wait...
    We heat it with a thermal "gun". The granddaughter is forced to wear warm clothes !!! Are we alone in a city apartment in this position? If the payment for e-mail rises, who will be to blame ???
    The filthy word "reform" has long been fraught with some kind of filth from the authorities ... routine !!!
    1. -12
      4 October 2018 12: 49
      And they did not try to heat with an oil heater.
      1. Alf
        +3
        4 October 2018 18: 29
        Quote: Vadim237
        And they did not try to heat with an oil heater.

        Of course, he does not consume energy ...
  43. +7
    4 October 2018 12: 46
    Hmm ... I just want to exclaim: "Get up, Ilyich, Russia is dying!"
  44. +1
    4 October 2018 12: 47
    In the empty heads and bottomless pockets of your ministers.
  45. +1
    4 October 2018 12: 49
    Having looked and read about the new "initiatives" of our beloved government, I decided to see how much my family consumes electricity on average per month throughout the year. Since he was a big bummer, he did not take receipts from storage places. I went to the website of our company in my personal account, highlighted the history of consumption and payments. As a result, I calmed down. Our family of three spends an average of 168 kW. At the same time, they never saved. The maximum peak consumption when the heating is turned off, then the air conditioner works, was 200 kW. So I also bring savings to our "beloved" state.
    1. 0
      4 October 2018 15: 30
      It depends on how much more power will be put in kilowatts. In one month, 50 kWh, in another 350 kWh exceeded overpay. Not so simple. hi
  46. +5
    4 October 2018 13: 12
    I have an electric stove, etc. We have more than 300 kWh per month. Yes, they fucked up there with this Medvedev and Co. And then Putin will explain paternally that, they say, all that is needed. Yes, you also need to raise water tariffs.
    1. +6
      4 October 2018 13: 32
      Wait for the air!
    2. 0
      24 October 2018 13: 33
      With electric stoves, a completely different calculation. Now the same thing.
  47. +11
    4 October 2018 13: 23
    Great article! It is very logical in this regard, the statement of the GUARANTOR that the beloved state had nothing to do with the pension reform. So, we will finish off with electricity tariffs. It is interesting how many more "patriots" will be found rejoicing in the impending collapse of the Square in the noose of energy carriers. It feels like they and we are in the same boat, ordinary citizens. The more fun it is to see right here on this site on the right

    Who is the nail in? Last one, say?
  48. +6
    4 October 2018 13: 31
    Most likely this is only the beginning, the beginning of the end!
  49. +2
    4 October 2018 13: 55
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    so much thu in rural Xnumx kW per house

    So you need to put a lisped, fasten the dynamo to it, and twist in the evenings.

    Thanks for the idea. I’m going to go out into the countryside, I built a house, but I couldn’t pull the gas, although it’s directly on my street. The amount, for the liner, the gas company has acquired the beyond. I installed an electric boiler, but it looks like I'll have to turn the pedals in the fall, winter, and spring. So I’ll warm myself up and sport again
  50. +7
    4 October 2018 14: 12
    Quote: NordUral

    From these to wait useful for the country and people is an empty matter. They must be swept out of power, preferably by peaceful means, in elections. Moreover, there is still a right
    So sit and whine, and let’s go nowhere. And the grandchildren and great-grandchildren will curse us cowards and half-wits!

    So it already happened, when the usurper shot us out of tanks, everyone watched the militant at home with the name "the destruction of the people's Soviet Power". 25 years have passed, blessed memory to all the fallen defenders of the Socialist Motherland and the innocently killed snipers who accidentally turned up. I hope the drunk with no fingers is spinning in hell in a frying pan.
  51. +2
    4 October 2018 14: 55
    “...how our ministers came up with another “brilliant” idea...”

    The head of the iPhone crowd is for eating, and they think with the soft place on which they sit, lousy liberals. am
  52. +5
    4 October 2018 15: 01
    The government is doing everything to cause another revolution in the country, with all the ensuing consequences.
  53. +1
    4 October 2018 15: 07
    ... We lost without the War... This somehow reminds me of the story of the Khazar Kaganate.
  54. +3
    4 October 2018 15: 25
    The class struggle is intensifying. These cannibalistic reforms will shake the people. It’s high time to wake up.
  55. -2
    4 October 2018 16: 43
    What an inquisitive look at the photo. What if he wants to swallow a light bulb?
    1. +3
      4 October 2018 18: 43
      Quote: Gardamir
      What an inquisitive look at the photo. What if he wants to swallow a light bulb?

      The photo was taken a second before he put it in his mouth. Well, then you remember - the government’s attempts began to eradicate incandescent lamps and transfer all the people to savings banks, or better yet to torches, which, apparently, we will soon arrive at. They will be allowed to turn on the light bulb at a reduced rate for the New Year, and only after the chief makes mitigating amendments.
      1. +4
        5 October 2018 00: 10
        But here in the Nizhny Novgorod region we are ready to again test another “electric joke” from the prime minister... we have experience! Moreover, our own hydroelectric power station is nearby, the Volga flows like a thousand years ago, the wires have not been changed to platinum ones, but if it’s necessary, then it’s necessary! Although....deep down in my heart I have a dream....to give Mitya Medvedev a fishing rod and a Sony PlayStation of the latest model! In the morning he goes fishing for crucian carp, and in the evening he plays FIFA with Dvorkovich..... this way he will think less about the people, and the people will turn on the light bulb more often without fear!
  56. -6
    4 October 2018 18: 00
    Putin will not allow people to be robbed!!!!! How long will the fifth liberal column, sponsored by the State Department, drive our people under the bench???!!!!!
  57. 0
    4 October 2018 18: 10
    What I don’t understand is that in the Rostov region we have had a social norm for two years now. In principle, everything is fine. For my household, the norm is 246 kW/h at a cost of 2,68. Well, above 3,74 rubles. What can I say, the majority make much less money in the village, but for me it’s different, where it’s about 300+-50. And why did they make a fuss, it seems normal!
  58. +1
    4 October 2018 18: 12
    Great idea! But why such restrictions? What about gasoline? Oil? Meat? Buckwheat? Salt? Matches? Anything above the norm is at a higher price. And it’s not far from communism!
    1. +2
      4 October 2018 20: 00
      Some criticize the communists, others criticize Putin. Everyone agrees that we are an oligarchy, the only difference is who is to blame. Therefore, we are all people together, we just need to be able to listen. What kind of communism is that? It was a good idea.
  59. +3
    4 October 2018 18: 33
    in 2009 they replaced the metering device with an electronic one, from disk, the difference then was 2,7 times higher. In 2012, power engineers pushed through the Cabinet of Ministers a resolution on other metering devices, behind the fence and the consumer cannot control them, and now payments are only based on them. We live in the city Novosibirsk, the private sector (not a cottage) uses 400 kilowatts per month, a family of three. We heat the stove with wood, cook with bottled gas. We can’t afford to connect to a pipe. The house is 33 square meters on the outer walls. And many people in the area are like that. Energy-saving lighting lamps and LEDs. A 30-liter water heater, a "scoop" refrigerator. And so on. Finance in general sings romances. And they are robbing the people again. hi
    1. 0
      4 October 2018 19: 48
      . in 2009 they replaced the metering device with an electronic one, from a disk one, the difference then was 2,7 times higher
      As far as I remember, the price of the meters was from 450 rubles. Unless you mean a two-tariff meter with bluetooth. Now it’s about 600 rubles. "energy meter" it seems. Check the meter readings on your bills; if consumption is the same from month to month, then you will be charged the average according to the norm for the number of prescribed
      1. 0
        5 October 2018 20: 29
        Our meters then cost 600-700 rubles apiece, and so did the energy meter. That’s my one tariff. They didn’t charge the norm either then or today. And the readings are on average the same. hi
  60. +1
    4 October 2018 18: 41
    Welcome to the world of neoliberal capitalism and the multinational corporations that run governments. I hate communism and socialism, but this capitalism gives rise to a strong desire to make a revolution, with red terror in addition...
    1. 0
      4 October 2018 19: 40
      Something is bothering you wassat
      1. Alf
        0
        4 October 2018 21: 18
        Quote: igorbrsv
        Something is bothering you wassat

        And there is only one name left from the country.
    2. Alf
      +1
      4 October 2018 21: 20
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Welcome to the world of neoliberal capitalism and the multinational corporations that run governments. I hate communism and socialism, but this capitalism gives rise to a strong desire to make a revolution, with red terror in addition...

      You don’t like communism, socialism doesn’t suit you, you don’t like capitalism, so what’s good for you? Ancient Rome ?
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  61. +1
    4 October 2018 20: 44
    The main message of Putin's address after the elections is to sum up the results of his activities as president and the final push towards the irreversibility of their results. No obstacles are taken into account, including the opinion of the people.
    The maid became the mistress
    So don’t go to her house!
    But there is no escape from the slave
    Who became king!
    Rudyard Kipling
  62. 0
    4 October 2018 21: 54
    I wish I could stick this light bulb that the “non-comrade” is holding in the photo, and stick it in the very place below his back that he and his comrades are thinking about! Maybe there will be light, so at least it will be of some use to the country, but otherwise it’s complete genocide against people!
  63. +2
    4 October 2018 22: 44
    We expect an increase in prices for candles and primus stoves. As well as household generators.
    When will you get drunk?
    In general, all this is an increase in the amplitude of the swaying of the situation in the country... What are we trying to achieve?
  64. +1
    4 October 2018 23: 16
    And it will most likely hit the countryside - rural households and small farmers. Which will ultimately affect the price of products - we’ve been through this more than once, so we won’t be surprised either.

    The author is probably not aware that in our country all this does not even come close to determining the price of products. It won’t have any impact, it’ll just make people even poorer.
    When you read this news, it’s hard to get rid of the thought that someone is purposefully “draining” GDP
    .
    Well, we’ve already agreed to what: before – “he leaked”, now – he’s being leaked. He's poor and miserable.
    Apparently, they are not embarrassed by the new presidential “May decree”, where demography is one of the first points.

    Again, GDP is out of business. Eh, he has no luck with ministers.
    And somewhere there, high up, Putin’s candidate of economics is sitting and thinking: what is this (further obscene) going on? Where are the ratings ?! Where is the growth of the economy ?! Where are the “May decrees” ?!

    Where did the author get this from??? I’m sure there are no such thoughts anywhere near... Unless it’s “obscene.”
  65. 0
    4 October 2018 23: 56
    It seems to me that it’s time to turn to the experience of Pavlov’s monetary reform.
  66. +2
    5 October 2018 00: 18
    The power of scoundrels and scoundrels.
  67. +3
    5 October 2018 08: 17
    Alas! One cannot expect anything else from capitalist ministers. None of them even remembers A. Chubais’s “brilliant” idea that the destruction of the unified energy system will lead to the opportunity to choose an energy supplier and prices will go down. Not really. Our path in prices is only upward. Somehow it turns out wildly: the entire utility bill is shifted onto the shoulders of citizens, while from year to year, regardless of the real situation, tariffs are rising, since they are always, I emphasize always, below cost.
  68. +1
    5 October 2018 08: 51
    God knows I didn’t want to write this. Our correspondents, swimming in the cream of this or that society (which
    constitutes a tiny part of the population) clearly advertise both negative traits and what we should do
    strive. And often we learn about this society from unscrupulous hands. Understatement runs through everything.
  69. 0
    5 October 2018 11: 29
    watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3U7FEg-4I4
  70. -5
    5 October 2018 13: 28
    No matter how long I’ve been here, nothing has changed: the whiners sit and think how nice it would be for the dumplings to fall into their mouths! The article is stupid propaganda: first the truth is written “most households in Russia consume within 200 kWh”, and then the onanist’s delights begin, if so then that! Typical logical error! All these delights are already included in the words of MOST HOUSEHOLDS! Also from what was noted, “if there are several children in a family, the head likes to play some online game after work, and the wife often hangs out on social networks” - the question is why shouldn’t someone pay for what they love? If it said “you need to use a computer” then it would be a different matter, but you have to pay for your own entertainment! Also, “let’s remember about a refrigerator that operates 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. According to some estimates, refrigerators account for up to 30% of household energy consumption, that is, at a rate of 300 kWh, this will be just under a hundred kilowatts.” - pure lies! A class A refrigerator (about 50% energy savings) consumes approximately 300 kWh... per year, i.e. 25 kWh per month, class F refrigerators (the most uneconomical) consume about 700 kWh per year, i.e. about 60 kWh per month. By the way, this can be seen from the posted calculations where there is a day/night division: 88 kWh per month, in the worst case, only a third of this value for the refrigerator. And also, as far as I remember (although something could have changed), in apartments with an electric stove the electricity tariff is different. And lastly, the law describes the “social norm for electricity consumption”, excuse me, but electric floors, air conditioners and computers - no matter what you say, non-essential necessities (like light, a refrigerator and an electric stove), which means the word “social” has no relation to the users of these benefits It has! Get drunk, gentlemen!
    1. +4
      5 October 2018 15: 35
      Exactly! Warm floors, PCs and other goodies are for the elite, those who were able to grab in the “perestroika-shootout foam”. Whoever can go over their heads and step over conscience and honesty is the new bourgeoisie. And let the idiots get by with the norm, they're snickering, you know.
    2. 0
      5 October 2018 19: 49
      There is no need to talk about consumption - how much and when, to those who have been living according to these standards for more than a year, although calculated according to a slightly different system, and about electric stoves you are at least inattentive - they really want to eliminate the benefits.
      And the conclusion is to pay for the electricity consumed - there are no questions, but when some ... woodpecker begins to decide how much I can consume per month - don’t let the officials be offended, several more will appear on the list of dangerous professions...
      and about electric floors - it feels like you DO NOT live in Russia - starting up heating can take a very long period and there is essentially NO responsibility for the lack of heating, or starting it with a delay - What would you like to use to warm the kids?
      Conclusion - DO NOT TRY TO DRIVE US BACK TO THE BAR!!!
      1. 0
        8 October 2018 18: 07
        Quote: kitt409
        Conclusion - DO NOT TRY TO DRIVE US BACK TO THE BAR!!!

        You are not mistaken? torch? or maybe to a club, a rebar? This is how it is for me personally. Even though I earn enough, I care about how the people around me live. In some way, their well-being affects mine.
        1. 0
          8 October 2018 18: 58
          Luchin in this case is exclusively in the context of an article about electricity, but there’s no point in writing about what we’re going to do here. I’m not going to spread about my actions (what I’m ALREADY doing) on ​​the internet, why, again the critics will come running in approval, why should I? it's here? bully
    3. 0
      5 October 2018 21: 39
      "...Also from what was noted, “if there are several children in a family, the head likes to play some online game after work, and the wife often hangs out on social networks” - the question is why shouldn’t someone pay for what they love? If if it were said “you need to use a computer” then it would be a different matter, but you have to pay for your own entertainment!..." (c) - who would write about logical errors here) - we pay, but who decided and on what basis, What do you need to pay more?
      And this is precisely the hidden meaning of this reform - and WHY up to 300 kW is the same price. but after that there’s another one?
      ON WHAT BASIS IS CONSUMPTION LIMITED?
      Please DO NOT tell fairy tales about how we lack energy)
      1. -4
        5 October 2018 21: 51
        Quote: kitt409
        ON WHAT BASIS IS CONSUMPTION LIMITED?

        Is it really limited? Yes, at least overindulge, just pay...

        Quote: kitt409
        WHY up to 300 kW one price. but after that there’s another one?

        And that's another question Yes

        Let's put it this way: whoever doesn't care (I don't care, as an example), will live as before, and will pay a little more than before. For those who are critical, they will squeeze something in and pay the same amount as they paid, or even less.

        Sort of like a progressive tax. You are definitely in favor of a progressive tax. wink
        1. +1
          6 October 2018 09: 24
          So start a progressive tax on yourself, as well as your favorites - those who are on the Forbes list)
          And your indifference is based strictly on your loneliness, that is, selfishness, however, these are your problems), and life as before is your illusions bully
          1. -5
            6 October 2018 09: 35
            Quote: kitt409
            your favorites - those who are on the Forbes list

            Don't judge others by yourself - you'll screw up many times over (by the way).

            Quote: kitt409
            ...your indifference is based strictly on...

            ... I’ll give you a hint (otherwise you’ll be taxed again): just paying an extra 100 rubles a month is not a problem for me. And 1000 too. This is what it is “based on” Yes

            In general, little troll, I’m not feeding you anymore today... stomp on and write, otherwise you’ll end up losing weight. request
            1. +2
              6 October 2018 09: 45
              Who would write about the troller here, how he gets hot, “turn on yourself” bully
              And your peculiarities of being do NOT interest me one bit, you can pay at least 10) - your problems...
              But you don’t need to persuade others to accept this calmly, solve your own problems, and do it yourself tongue
              1. -4
                6 October 2018 10: 33
                Quote: kitt409
                there is no need to persuade others to accept it calmly

                Am I persuading someone? You imagined it, wake up, you are enchanted laughing

                Quote: kitt409
                solve your problems yourself

                This is exactly what I do. I didn’t ask you, I completely forgot, I confess request

                PS: troll-ya-yashka... it’s someone’s reincarnation, I just don’t understand whose it is yet what
                1. +2
                  6 October 2018 10: 37
                  How self-critical you are today, why would that be? bully
                  The Odobryams cannot even imagine that the illusions have already ended for many - well, these are your problems, you are our reincarnator)
      2. -5
        6 October 2018 12: 20
        You pay for a product that someone produces, the one who produces it sets its price, yet you are not friends with logic! In addition, the state also helps us (go figure!) and does not allow the price to rise above certain limits. Conclusion they help you, but you are still unhappy...
        1. +2
          6 October 2018 13: 17
          The state helps us empty our pockets as quickly as possible, yes, but SUCH “help” I have seen and spit so far...
        2. 0
          9 October 2018 13: 44
          What the E...t?!
  71. +1
    5 October 2018 15: 28
    Quote: igorbrsv
    And why, specifically, Vadim 237 attacked. Did he grab something? Smog and well done. I understand that he does not write that he suffers from an excess of money

    We are now on the Internet, not reconciled, but at a distance, butting heads. So far everything is within the framework of society. And if and when it happens, well, like in October 1917, the contradictions are not resolvable. Because the worldview is radically different. Vadim, a capitalist, albeit a small one, will immediately become a class enemy. He understands this and “harnesses” for his own people, always votes for GDP and is not shy about talking about it. While it commands respect, it is difficult to defend a knowingly false truth.
  72. +1
    5 October 2018 15: 55
    Over the past few months, the Government of the Russian Federation has begun to receive legislative initiatives and proposals leading to a sharp deterioration in the quality of life of the people of Russia, to the infringement of their rights and freedoms. Some proposals are deliberately aimed at worsening the financial situation of the majority of the country's population, but have a hypocritical and deceitful justification. Also, these proposals and legislative initiatives have signs of selfish intentions of certain narrow groups of people and can provoke an increase in social tension in the country.
  73. 0
    5 October 2018 18: 48
    The trend is not encouraging: on the one hand, there are now many different energy hogs in the form of mining farms that process energy into bitcoins, on the other hand, the house is heated with electricity and in winter it reaches 2000 kW per month. True, on the Rostov website there is an increase according to social standards: +300 kW per person for water heating and +3000 kW per household for heating. It would still be possible.
  74. 0
    5 October 2018 21: 01
    There are so many comments on a topic that has been discussed on Internet sites for a long time!!!
    The topic is old and everything was decided a long time ago - they were only waiting for the elections... It’s surprising that this topic is being discussed on this site! Where is the site editor looking?...
  75. +2
    5 October 2018 22: 22
    Ha, it still operates in Rostov! And with us, on the contrary, the more people are registered, the more profitable it is - 96 kW for one, plus 60 for the second, for the 3rd and subsequent ones - plus 40 each. I have a stable consumption of 200-250, even when my wife and child left for a month to visit the village! And the author didn’t figure it out about electric stoves - plus 43 kW per person, but not less than 90. As a result, it turns out at a reduced price of 196 kW, when I see that I’m suddenly not using them up, I’m just adding them for the future!
    1. 0
      6 October 2018 09: 29
      It’s precisely the benefits for electric stoves that are going to be removed (((
      1. -1
        8 October 2018 10: 32
        Who told you this? Source to the studio!
        1. +1
          8 October 2018 10: 35
          Is it difficult to read it yourself?
          cancellation of tariffs for electric stoves and rural areas
    2. +1
      8 October 2018 05: 18
      What about in the heat with the split system on? My wife and I together in the summer choose an extra 50-70 kW. This summer was hot, we burned 800-1000 rubles :-((
  76. +1
    5 October 2018 22: 44
    Yes, all the same, Vladimir Vladimirovich. In the empty heads and bottomless pockets of your ministers.
    Well, apparently he’s happy with it, just like the people who “invent” it! sad
  77. +1
    6 October 2018 10: 20
    Yes, the author has a lot of imagination!) Not to mention reading, or at least seeing with one’s own eyes, a somewhat substantiated overview of the economic model working in the country, few people can imagine. And yet, most of all, it is reminiscent of Peter the Great’s times, when not only the ruling favorites, but also any clerk and clerks were fed not so much on government salaries, but rather ran their own feasible business in the place in which they were appointed. So this was called the feeding place. All current officials are the ones who are without replacements of their destinies, and not managers. How much they allow themselves to take, how much they take. In any case, their condition cannot be called salary. This is our salary, but they have a small share.
  78. +2
    6 October 2018 12: 06
    Putin Mrazin decided to sit on several chairs!!! Please the owners of the IMF, raise the retirement age, please the oligarchs, do not raise the progressive scale and hang noodles on the ears of citizens. !
    1. 0
      8 October 2018 10: 29
      Yeah... Let's answer this with friendly internet whining! Hurray, comrades!!!
  79. +3
    6 October 2018 12: 58
    Is the calculation precisely based on the fact that it will not be possible to compensate for everything and families will have to pay some of the funds out of their own pockets? Well, then in this reform one can see, although petty and disgusting, at least some kind of logic.

    During the entire period of “reforms” since 91, there has not yet been a single law/decree/decision of the Government aimed at improving the lives of Russian citizens and increasing their well-being. With the exception, however, of the Rublev and Kremlin residents.
  80. +1
    6 October 2018 18: 13
    We need to vote less for... However, both Zyuga and Zhirik are greedy. Mironov - nothing... About the basement and other "fighters" from the CIA, in general, I am silent: they were given assignments long ago: to destroy Russia and destroy the Russians...
    1. Alf
      +2
      6 October 2018 19: 15
      Quote: pafegosoff
      destroy Russia and destroy the Russians...

      And here are the bulk and agents of the State Department - our government, appointed by the wisest, copes with this very well.
  81. 0
    6 October 2018 19: 42
    There are NO crimes that capital will not commit, with 300% profit. (c) K. Marx.
    With the Jewish US capitalism of the great liberal Haspadin Putin and his faithful partner Medvedev. The second stage of the destruction of Russia, namely the GENOCIDE of the population, has begun to be implemented. The Americans genocided 90 million Indians in 100 years. How many years will it take for the Americans to genocide 120 million Russians??.
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    1. Alf
      0
      7 October 2018 19: 54
      Quote: AnarchistVolgograd
      Another victory for Putin

      Over whom? Over Russia?
  83. +2
    7 October 2018 07: 27
    Are the authorities waiting for a reaction? Then gasoline, as if they intervened and decided everything... well, then hit the old prices, then quickly ask people about pensions, but why? There is no money for pensions, and not state pension funds robbed pensioners and silence. Although these funds are the previous pension reform, there are no culprits.
    Now there is electricity, we are told that in Germany this issue is even more difficult. I can’t understand why people are being held? Germany relies entirely on our resources, and they are an example of Germany. Why not Libya?
    for example, or the Saudis. The elections have passed and everything has begun. When will power turn to the people at least 50%?
    1. Alf
      0
      7 October 2018 19: 54
      Quote: Vladimir Kurchenko
      When will power turn to the people at least 50%?

      On the gallows.
  84. +1
    7 October 2018 09: 51
    In China, electricity is sold wholesale from 40 kopecks to 1 ruble. Okay, 1.5 rubles per kilowatt.
    I pay 500 rubles per kilowatt hour 6 meters from the border of Moscow. Profit rate 400% At night I pay 3 rubles. But at night I usually sleep, I’m getting old.
    The authorities look at communal services in Europe, but they do not look at European salaries and taxes.
    I pay 13% income tax, 18% VAT, 30% compulsory medical insurance, pension and health, I’m not talking about what the employer pays for me.
    1. 0
      7 October 2018 11: 46
      Quote: Debil
      Profit rate 400%

      You are wrong, high voltage electricity is sold, you are buying low voltage electricity
      1. -1
        7 October 2018 15: 39
        how does a transformer work?
        receives 380, gives 220, and the rest is buzzing.

        I'm ready to buy at 1.5 rubles. We have a transmission line, a power line 100 meters away, can you organize it?
        1. -1
          8 October 2018 10: 37
          Quote: Debil
          gets 380

          another truant?!
          the transformer gives 380, not 220
          but they will receive 10-15 kV, not 380
          What should you organize, free training, so apparently it’s too late?!
        2. +1
          8 October 2018 12: 25
          oh sorry I didn’t read the nickname, all questions are answered
    2. -1
      8 October 2018 10: 21
      Do you pay VAT yourself?! So are you the owner? And what did you forget in this friendly chorus of whining???
  85. 0
    7 October 2018 10: 06
    Our government's concern knows no bounds.
  86. 0
    7 October 2018 16: 54
    In Ukraine there were tariffs “up to 200 kW”, “from 200 to 800 kW”, and “over 800 kW”. And this is with good energy! In Russia there is a real freebie in this regard! You pay everything for one price! Well, the country is rich - it can afford it! And then they decided to cut off the freebie! How can a Russian who doesn’t want to work pay for electricity? In our town, 30 percent don’t work at all, another 30% have an income of up to 9-12 thousand per month. And 30% have a good income of over 12 to 30 thousand/month! The remaining 10% work outside the city! At our three large factories in the town, 90% of products are defective, because... We work according to the principle: “and so it will do!” The turnover is terrible, because... a man comes and he says: “Take the grinder!” He: “M.L., do I need to work for you?!?” and leaves! So, how can such residents of the richest country pay for electricity? They want to force the whole town to work, s..i! Make gasoline cheaper so that we can export it abroad to Europe and make profit! And oil workers are prohibited from leaving the fields under threat of execution, even to the point of being “chained by the leg”! - Someone must provide this freebie! :)
    1. 0
      8 October 2018 10: 16
      In Ukraine there were tariffs “up to 200 kW”, “from 200 to 800 kW”, and “over 800 kW”.

      Not this way. I am a Crimean, so, by the will of fate, I lived most of my life in Ukraine. And believe me, I know the tariffs well - I’ve been paying for utilities all my life. Which is apparently strange for this forum, because... people are generally not aware that there are some levels in nature... In Ukraine, the gradation is 150-300-600/800 - the last figure was different in different years. Well, whoever had more than 800 had an “industrial” tariff, which was quite high. But more than 800 was spent for business; for an ordinary consumer, that much is not needed, even if nothing is turned off at all.
  87. -1
    7 October 2018 17: 54
    Lord save the people of Russia from the enemies of the people, from those who are hostile to the people of Russia!!!!! Let all the bastard enemies of the people die, let the children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the enemies of the people of Russia die! People, ask God and he will fulfill your requests! The enemies of the people will get what they deserve!!!
    1. Alf
      0
      7 October 2018 19: 57
      Quote: vfvlasov
      People, ask God and he will fulfill your requests!

      So far he is fulfilling the requests of these people.
  88. 0
    8 October 2018 09: 45
    And the article itself is moronic and most of the comments on it are from Internet dwellers, read: full-time whiners. My God! What a news! Payment for electricity will be tariffed! I would like to ask those who have snot coming out of their nose before a thought appears in their brain, WHAT IS IT NOW?!?! Have you guys fallen from the tree? Together with the author? SHE IS NOW TARIFIED, didn’t you know?! What, none of the whiners pay for electricity? Only the bar is higher, 600 kW. But she wasn't always like this. There were also lower ones, including the “damned” 300 kW. And in your beloved Ukraine, glorified by Skomorokhov, it’s still 150 kW. And it always was, and not after the Maidan. And people packed up, oddly enough. Not all, of course, but many. Very many.
    You know, it will probably be even better. I’m already looking forward to the time when, after receiving 2-3 payments, the amount of whining on the Internet will decrease significantly. You will be like before under the Soviets - chewing snot in the kitchen, telling your wife about how best to lead the country. All the best to you, as they say...
    1. +2
      8 October 2018 10: 38
      Quote: 4eburasha
      Have you guys fallen from the tree? Together with the author? IT IS NOW TARIFIED

      The truth is different, it is paid for a single price per kW
      1. -3
        8 October 2018 10: 44
        I won’t sign for all of Russia, but in Crimea there are different prices up to 600 and over 600.
        PS There is also a discount for “children of war” up to 150 kW - 25%. But this is probably only in Crimea
        1. +1
          8 October 2018 12: 23
          I understand that the situation in Crimea is different, but about “children” this is a completely different story
    2. +2
      8 October 2018 11: 46
      You transfer what happened (is) in Ukraine and Crimea to everyone, without having any idea about how it really is)
      And about the kitchen, is this from your own experience, have you already chewed? Well, it happens, don't worry so much bully
      And about whining, you don’t like it7 So no one is forcing you...
      Are you satisfied with everything? But this is NOT the case for everyone - again, someone wanted money, and still pay? Well, let's drop everything bully
      1. -1
        8 October 2018 15: 16
        Even if I’m wrong in everything else, I’m really tired of the whining. If you lived in Ukraine, which is also, by the way, an exporter of electricity, you would learn to love your Motherland, and not just spread snot on the Internet.
        1. +1
          8 October 2018 16: 00
          Have you tried NOT to mix love for the Motherland and the desire of some bureaucrat to get into our pockets?
          And the fact that this is NOT WHINING, WHAT HURTS YOU PERSONALLY from UNDERSTANDING?
        2. +2
          8 October 2018 17: 15
          Quote: 4eburasha
          Even if I’m wrong in everything else, I’m really tired of the whining.

          Are whining and demanding different things or do you prefer the wordless?
  89. -1
    8 October 2018 16: 10
    What they fought for, as they say. Building hydroelectric power stations was expensive, but necessary. And there are only 16% of them in Russia. Given the available water resources, free electricity could boil the seas. But - 60% are thermal power plants, they run on gas, oil and coal, and in our country they belong to you know who and his friends - they are the ones who get 300 kilos from this asshole.
    1. 0
      8 October 2018 17: 16
      Quote: Svetl Svetl
      free electricity could boil the seas

      where did you read such nonsense?!!!!!
    2. 0
      8 October 2018 17: 16
      Quote: Svetl Svetl
      But - 60% are thermal power plants, they run on gas, oil and coal, and in our country they belong to you know who and his friends - they are the ones who get 300 kilos from this asshole.
      Reply

      in the elderberry garden ...
  90. +1
    9 October 2018 17: 54
    When I hear about Medvedev or Putin, I immediately remember the words of Faina Ranevskaya: “There are people in whom God lives, there are people in whom the devil lives! And some only live in worms!”
  91. +2
    10 October 2018 19: 13
    I wonder when their mug will crack? or testing our strength... some kind of experiment?
    1. A.
      0
      10 October 2018 21: 12
      Putin's parasite Medvedev's mug will never crack.
  92. -2
    10 October 2018 21: 01
    people, I’m shocked. I recently drove through Moscow to Tula. everywhere, you hear on federal roads there are 100 lights for every 8 meters. In our village with a population of 2000 people, we have 3 lights, and in order to save money, they turn on when they go to or from work and school. And it’s pitch dark. I won't go to the polls anymore. come what may. God damn it, nothing will change for the better. Worse, yes.
  93. +1
    10 October 2018 23: 45
    "Quote: dsk
    So it was early to rejoice that in July the energy sector raised tariffs only by the inflation rate of 4%. They will twist their own, the most powerful lobby.."
    ///////////////////////////////
    I wonder what they will do when alternative options for using electricity appear (will appear)?... If you dream a little, they will stupidly raise tariffs even more... But if the adoption of technology becomes widespread (and it will be so), everyone will want to pay less) , then it will be impossible to compensate for the decrease in their income by increasing tariffs. I believe that the correct tariff policy would be to establish a single tariff, for example 50 kopecks. The cost of a kWh today is 14 kopecks (announced the other day), and its selling price ranges from about two to six rubles!!...
  94. +1
    10 October 2018 23: 53
    Quote: Silvestr
    what a servility!

    It's normal. So that God forbid you end up taller. The Bonapartes really don't like this
  95. 0
    14 October 2018 15: 46
    Medvedev, unfortunately, does not understand that for economic growth it is necessary to stimulate consumption. The more electricity sold, the more taxes, jobs, and so on. There is a need for new capacities. Lawyer in a nutshell. Where are these government members who should at least figure this out? In general, such is the pop - such is the arrival.