Risky trip: a NATO ship on the Northern Sea Route

The ship of logistic support of the French Navy "Rona" first passed the Northern Sea Route, the transition took 17 days, the channel said France-3.

This campaign was intended to expand our knowledge in this area. There was a strategic interest. The Arctic zone covers an area the size of France 40 and has large reserves of minerals and hydrocarbons, said ship commander Philippe Guena.

He added that, together with his crew, he is proud of his transition, which was made for the first time without the help of a Russian icebreaker.

As told the agency Interfax a well-informed source, “Rona” followed from the Norwegian port of Torms to the Aleutian Islands near Alaska. All this time, the ship was being led by electronic reconnaissance assets of the Northern and Pacific fleets (each in its area of ​​responsibility).

The interlocutor noted that the French ship has no ice protection, therefore its Arctic voyage was rather risky. At the same time, the Russian rescue forces were ready at any time to assist the French sailors.

"Ron" - a new ship of the French Navy, commissioned 6 July this year. It belongs to the BSAH class (support and assistance ships). Designed for towing, escorting submarines, participation in rescue operations. Its displacement is 2,6 thousand tons, length - 70 m. Speed ​​- up to 14 nodes. During the SMP, there was a crew of 31 people on it. Armament on the ship is missing.

Recall that the Northern Sea Route is the shortest route from Europe to the Far East, its length is more than 5,5 thousand km.

Comments

[Thrall]

Is it weak to repeat in February?

[Pivot]

Yes, until June there is nothing for him to do.

[hrych]

Maybe the submarine was accompanied by a bastard

[volot-voin]

Quote: hrych

Maybe the submarine was accompanied by a bastard

It was necessary to set a self-propelled iceberg on it)))

You repeat this with your Fleet, and then laugh at the French sailors on the Russian website, "brothers"

It has been more than once. Chelyuskin who remembers? Maybe not the best example. And so earlier both Dezhnev and before him the Cossacks and before them the ear-moths went a tribute to sables to collect.

[SSR]

Quote: hrych

Maybe the submarine was accompanied by a bastard

Most likely it was a trial ball on the topic of how much merchant and military fleet vessels can actually go along the Sevmor route.

[shark]

I may not understand something. Is not the NSR our territorial waters? What, in that case, did this bastard do there?

[NKT]

Territorial waters up to 12 miles from the coast, then up to 200 miles - economic zone

[LeonidL]

What did you bastard, what did ... crap bastard, crap.

[jovanni]

Yes, he has nothing to do there at all. At no time! Civil ships let themselves float ...

[jjj]

At the same time from Kamchatka to Arkhangelsk the Dobroflot refrigerator delivered the holds of red fish in two weeks. The men said that the ice situation in the east of the NSR is rather difficult. How did the French fly at full steam

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Interestingly, what did that refrigerator bring from Arkhangelsk to Kamchatka? Vegetables and fruits, apparently ..... or fish is not red ..... building materials .....

[LeonidL]

Yes, he actually has nothing to do there ...

[Igor V]

Quote: Pivot

Yes, until June there is nothing for him to do.

Until mid-August, and even before the beginning of September.

[Jolly oldster sailor]

That's all right, Trawl.
He added that, together with his crew, he is proud of his transition, which was made for the first time without the help of a Russian icebreaker.

You repeat this with your Navy, and then laugh at the French sailors on the Russian website, "brothers" ..

[ghby]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

You repeat this with your Navy, and then laugh at the French sailors on the Russian website, "brothers" ..

Sorry to wedge into the conversation, but you see, in Belarus, Kazakhstan, and the Russian Federation there are many people who, despite the borders, do not share these states in essence and this is normal. And the more people there are, the less noticeable the boundaries.

[Idunavs]

If only one but no. RB at the state level discredit Russia and the Russian world.
If a Belarusian comes to Russia, he does not feel any discomfort, but if a Russian comes to Minsk, he feels. The plates are all in English or Belarusian, it personally bothered me in Minsk a lot; that is, they focus not on us, but on the west.

[kjhg]

Quote: Idunawa

that is, they focus not on us, but on the west.

So this is just logical. All small states strive to be similar and make friends with rich, strong countries, where there is a good social network, decent retirement, reliable defense, developed industry, etc. Being, by and large, a country with a poor gas station (according to official figures, more than 20 million live below the poverty line, and according to unofficial ones, more than 43 million) and at the same time the second-largest number of billionaires in the world, a nuclear arsenal and, at the same time, inflate sponges, which nobody wants to be friends with us - this is childish stupidity. The whole problem of flight to different sides of the former fraternal republics lies within Russia, and more precisely in the power that exists in our country. There was a time when half the world wanted to be like us because they saw justice, strength, success and development within the country.

[faridg7]

Quote: Idunawa

The tablets are all in English or Belarusian mov, it personally bothered me in Minsk a lot. So they focus not on us, but on the west

That is, it doesn’t bother you that in Moscow there are signs in Russian and English, but it annoys you that there are signs in state and English? Should they be in Chinese or Japanese?

[Idunavs]

In Lithuania, for example, does not bother. But where I always felt at home, but now I do not feel. Because yes they strain.

[faridg7]

So you organize in your city signs in Belarusian and Russian, so that the syabrs have a feeling, and then you look and the Old Man will penetrate.

[Lelek]

Quote: faridg7

So you organize in your city signs in Belarusian and Russian,

Thank you, so you have given your preferences. English is more important for you than Russian. Want some tips ?:
- The roof is on - call 01,
-Roof is needed - call 02,
-Roof goes - call 03.
Before you open your mouth, you should think about what you say and where you say it.

[Igor V]

Quote: faridg7

plates in state and english?

Russian in Belarus is also state-owned.

[beeper]

Quote: faridg7

Quote: Idunawa

The tablets are all in English or Belarusian mov, it personally bothered me in Minsk a lot. So they focus not on us, but on the west

That is, it doesn’t bother you that in Moscow there are signs in Russian and English, but it annoys you that there are signs in state and English? Should they be in Chinese or Japanese?

In Belarus-Belarus, no matter how disliked the "zmagars" and "litvins", so far, according to the Constitution of the Republic of Belarus, there are TWO STATE LANGUAGES - BELARUSIAN and RUSSIAN, but not English!
So, if it was done according to the Constitution of the Republic of Belarus, in Minsk there should be Russian names on all "plates", and there (I also noticed this), as in post-Maidan, amerocolonial, Kiev, only in English (obscure absolute to the majority of Belarusian and Ukrainian residents) and Belarusian (in Kiev-Ukrainian), but by no means in Russian (understandable to the absolute majority of Belarusian and Ukrainian residents, since most of them speak Russian!) ?! But according to the Constitution of Ukraine, in contrast to the Constitution of Belarus, one state language is initially declared-Ukrainian, and occupational-colonial English is not declared state and is being introduced, in general, unconstitutionally ?!

[LeonidL]

If you remember, the Old Man was declared the last European dictator to be shook hands ... Batko changed his underwear and now he is not the last European dictator to shake hands. Are you all about the English ...

[seregatara1969]

Is it RB-Bashkiria of Buryatia or Belarus?

[rocket757]

So bad business is not tricky ..... why should such ..... repeat!
Everything has been known for a long time, passed in the "velvet" season, business then.
A YEAR-ROUND NAVIGATION, well, who’s new?

[Rakti-kali]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

You repeat the same with your Fleet, and then laugh at the French sailors on the Russian site ..

"Forces of the Northern Fleet, located in the area of ​​the archipelago of the New Siberian Islands, conducted exercises to protect the Arctic island zone and the sea coast of the Russian Federation with missile, anti-aircraft and artillery fire," the press service of the fleet reported.
The combat ships of the Northern Fleet, which made the transition to the archipelago of the Novosibirsk Islands, and units of the tactical group of the Northern Fleet, based on Kotelny Island, took part in the maneuvers. "- RF Ministry of Defense.
Do you want to say that the French by their campaign than surpassed our fleet, conducting maneuvers in the Arctic Ocean?

[rocket757]

It happens that there is such a sailor, a breakdown from the stove .... who decided that the Russian fleet has nothing more to do than arrange cruises along the Northern Sea Route! Well, we can rum fake, tobacco of the wrong grade .... it happens!
Although I’m not a sailor, I had to go to nuclear powered ships ... military and icebreakers! This is the greatness and glory of OUR shipbuilders ....

[Jerk]

In our country this is called not heroism, but a working solution.

[rocket757]

in his youth he was "sick" with the romance of the fleet! A neighbor contributed, a warrior from the Northern Fleet!
I was not honored .... the twist of fate !!! He took part in the construction of ATOMATOVA! According to his profile, of course, but ICE-BREAKER, CRUISER, BOAT !!! I got a couple of times on sea trials in the Baltic! This, of course, is not a working exit to the NORTH, but there is something heroic in that! for us, for land ....!

[Vadim851]

Well, not bad for a rather southern country. It’s risky even in the summer to go to the East Siberian and Chukchi Seas. The crew of a military rescue ship must be able to operate in any conditions.

[sogdy]

Quote: Vadim851

. It’s risky even in the summer to go to the East Siberian and Chukchi Seas.

Apparently, you didn’t understand the humor. On the NSR _no_ can pass without observation and, accordingly, escort. So the French drove them away. And the blizzard or tyulka - they know better.

[loginovich]

French Chelyuskin

[hohol95]

Rather French "Comet" ...

August 27, 1940 - the commander of the auxiliary cruiser "Comets" of the German Kriegsmarine, Captain Zur Zee (Captain I rank) Robert Eissen thanked the icebreaker "I. Stalin ”for the passage through the ice of the Laptev Sea. From August 13 to September 3, 1940, the Soviet icebreakers Lenin and I. Stalin "and" L. Kaganovich "carried out the German raider by the Northern Sea Route. Until November 1941, the Komet raider piracy in the Pacific and Indian oceans, and then in the Atlantic.
The data obtained by the raider was later used by German cruisers and submarines during the fighting in the Arctic.

[mvd ru]

And if he threw some tricky buoys there, there was no need to hang around there for NATO ships, the Germans were also allowed to go before the war, and as a result, then all kinds of bases appeared in the rear

[rocket757]

Do not tell my slippers, ice all these buoys on bara bah bah! the navy does not go there anyway.

[sogdy]

Quote: rocket757

the navy does not go there anyway.

They made fun! Would you like to see a map?

[rocket757]

Does the Navy navigate the Northern Sea Route back and forth? and how often?
The passage of individual vessels from the Northern Fleet, to the Pacific Fleet and vice versa, is an extremely rare event. Teachings, understandably, again in the velvet season when there is no ice ... it's all seasonal. The French also guessed the time.
The question is about the SEVORMUT, entirely, the waters west of the Kara Gate, this is only part of it, with more lively shipping.
In short, what is the argument, I do not understand? Ships are weaker, only in season. All year round, mainly ice class, accompanied by icebreakers .... so they were then built.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: rocket757

the navy does not go there anyway.

You tell us this US Navi so that they would not send or chopped RWDs into our Arctic regions of Gadget and cut them in case of WWIII. Gut?

[rocket757]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

they slammed them in the case of WWIII. Gut?

About the surface fleet - non-specialized vessels can be found throughout the Northern Sea Route only in the season, which is not very large. Natural ice protection protects the rest of the time from unsolicited guests. In principle, they can, but it is necessary to prepare it very specially, plus the territory there is mostly deserted, so what to do there!
About RBD - I think and on the Moon they are already being covered .... then sho is very important, which is impossible to allow and close to the heap, guard in full. No other way.
Excitement for the trekking French campaign, such as chur. We do not have a war with them, but threw buoys like? If there is such a fact, it will not be for long ... they haven’t come up with endless batteries, and with a connection it’s not very good. You can send the info to the satellite, but only before the ice has covered, and all the defining ones, around, a large distance, have not yet been invented. The Yankees organized a whole network, SYSTEM, organized, in the direction of their shores and in narrow places, and all this was SERVICED! Those. neither itself nor endlessly could work.
I am sure that our waters and the routes of our boats will continue to protect us. This is such an underwater electronic war of intelligence!

[Graz]

I didn’t understand why they let him into our territorial waters.

[Avior]

it is unlikely.
tervody- 12 miles from the coast, or something.
and all - further everyone can swim

[Tersky]

Quote: Avior

it is unlikely.
tervody- 12 miles from the coast, or something.
and all - further everyone can swim

From the point of view of the Russian legal doctrine, the Kara Sea, the Laptev Sea, the East Siberian Sea, and the Chukchi Sea (within the Russian sector) located in the Arctic are of the flooded type. They historically belong to our country, and they are subject to the regime of internal sea waters. International conventions have not been concluded in relation to these straits; since Soviet times, navigation along them has been regulated by national laws and regulations. Therefore, there are no grounds for extending the free public use regime to the straits in the water area of ​​the NSR. Well, in addition to Article 234 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which says that coastal states can apply national laws within the boundaries of the exclusive economic zone in those areas that are prone to ice cover, to ensure the environmental safety of these areas. So every "float" can (it is not known to sink ), but walking without the knowledge of the Russian Federation is a big question .

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Tersky

From the point of view of Russian legal doctrine,

Probably it would be more correct to speak about the "Sector Theory" of the Arctic. The Arctic region is historically divided into "sectors of ownership" of the subarctic states, although there is a proposal for the internationalization of the Arctic, which has not yet found support.

Quote: rocket757

This is not an inland sea, they didn’t come close to the shore, because it didn’t land and truncated!

You need to watch the route of the transition. The transport is not armed, although it belongs to the French navy. Therefore, he could ask for "free passage", and if he went outside Tervod RF, then there are no questions at all.

the water surface of ocean and sea xnumx spaces within the Arctic is open sea. Moreover, a state with a polar sector in the Arctic can consider it as a zone of its security. Thus, the regime of the sea waters of the Arctic is established in accordance with the norms of international law of the sea, according to which territorial waters, adjacent and economic zones, the continental shelf, and then the open sea are established off the coast of lands and islands.

Somehow, however ...

[rocket757]

This is not an inland sea, they didn’t come close to the shore, because it didn’t land and truncated!
Priperlo used to just ask permission, business then.

[arhPavel]

Unhealthy bullshit.
Collected intelligence. This is how it impaired them to send a non-ice class vessel to the Arctic. Yes there is no frost and icing right now, but why are they gaining experience for what?
The relief of the bottom, depth .. still flooded what buoys one hundred percent.

[igorbrsv]

At least bottom topography

[Zubr]

They are good fellows, they can do it until the summer navigation is closed and until the ice approaches the shore together with hummocks. And so it would definitely have to save ours.

[igorbrsv]

I hope ours would not be in a hurry

[faridg7]

And I would have generally dragged the icebergs into tow in this area, in order to avoid

[rotmistr60]

Jolly oldster sailor
You repeat this with your Navy, and then laugh at the French sailors on the Russian website, "brothers" ..

But do not tell me along whose coast the Northern Sea Route lies and which country is paid for the passage along this route? That's right, Russia. So why are you writing outright stupidity?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

At the same time, the Russian rescue forces were ready at any time to help the French sailors.

what for?!!!!

[Vadim851]

Mutual support and revenue at sea should always be between any states, especially in peacetime.

[Jolly oldster sailor]

I read at least one adequate comment ...

[boriz]

A tweezer is reaching into your pocket, and you are like this: carefully, there is a knife in your pocket, do not cut yourself ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the bull's eye
it’s not so easy they climbed there and more than once they blissed that the Northern Sea Route is not the property of Russia
and in general under the Union everything was clearly with the borders

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Vadim851

Mutual support and revenue at sea should always be between any states, especially in peacetime.

they are preparing a dirty trick for us, therefore in war as in war

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

At the same time, the Russian rescue forces were ready at any time to help the French sailors.

what for?!!!!

To help at sea and save everyone is obliged even in war conditions. International laws.

[Jolly oldster sailor]

International laws on the sea, the most correct laws in the world this ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Oh well
they may be correct, but when the Northern Sea Route is taken away from us then we’ll talk

[Scalpel]

So close to paranoia.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

The Northern Sea Route should be an international transport artery, and the United States claims to conduct exercises here to ensure freedom of navigation. Washington’s position on the NSR will be unpleasant for Moscow, said the American admiral, commander of the US Coast Guard

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Vkd dvk

and everyone is obliged to save, even in war conditions.

Yes?!!!!!!!
in a war ?!

[StudentVK]

Icebreaker: French, what are you following us? YOU SHOULD PROMISE TO GO WITHOUT AN ICE-BREAKER)))) - But we are not coming with you! Just next to it))))))

[Sands Careers General]

Gone and gone, right a great victory. Wooden ships also went without icebreakers when the Earth’s climate was much colder.

[jjj]

The contours of the hulls of wooden ships in Russia were such that the ice, when squeezed, pushed them to the surface without causing harm. But ships built according to European dimensions were crushed by ice

[Zaurbek]

It is necessary to publicly refuse salvation to military courts in the NSR ....

[Simon]

Sorry, our nature is different. We are the same enemy, when they are in distress, save.

[Zaurbek]

And if this is Donald Cook with 150pcs KR? He will get from there to all goals in the Russian Federation.

[Vadim851]

Correct you, Cook has 90 cells in total, theoretically 90 CR, but in practice more than 60 axes do not load even in the shock version.

[Zaurbek]

Well, he doesn’t walk alone .... they will set up a trail and will walk a couple in steps of 30 miles. This is not the Black Sea, there are no restrictions and our infrastructure is weak there.

[sogdy]

People are being saved. Then the investigation, the court, compensation payments ... It's easier to die.

[aglet]

and what did the ship of the enemy fleet do in our waters? Or is there already a passage yard? or were there partners?

[sogdy]

I understand this: it was a big run, paid and agreed. Weapons are missing, devices are not installed or sealed, teams zilch, representative on board. The rest is invented by journalists.

[jjj]

I believe it was like with the "breakthrough" of the Ukrainian fleet under the Crimean bridge

[Piramidon]

Quote: aglet

and what did the ship of the enemy fleet do in our waters?

And who told you that he entered our territorial waters?

[boriz]

So I didn’t understand, but did the alien warship have the right to roam the zone of our exclusive economic interests? There, you basically have to go through the straits, where our territorial waters are simply. Today the paddling passed, tomorrow pindoc. What, SMP we have a passage yard?

[maai]

The interlocutor noted that the French ship has no ice protection, therefore its Arctic voyage was rather risky. At the same time, the Russian rescue forces were ready at any time to assist the French sailors.

Yeah. And show the "fairway" and treat you with tea ... so that Opinel would stick out of his back later. The compassionate is the first to die out.

[Simon]

What NATO spy let in! Something went early, two months later they would get to those areas. So let "SOS" be broadcast.

[sogdy]

The Germans just passed there, they brought LNG. A very long time, 27 days. The contract is not renewed.

[Guru]

Again the French with General Moroz indulge in Napoleon’s experience.

[ggl1]

go to their doom!

[ggl1]

Let's go to their doom!
although it was necessary to take into account the experience of Napoleon
these do not know what Siberia is in which can
only the Russian nation live
Coffins are ready welcome Europeans

[AlexVas44]

Quote: rotmistr60

... which country is paid to pass this way? That's right, Russia.

What, and the French paid for this cruise?

[Wedmak]

The Arctic zone covers an area of ​​40 France and has large reserves of minerals and hydrocarbons, said ship commander Philippe Guena.

And what does France have to do with this?

The French ship does not have ice protection, so its Arctic expedition was quite risky.

If you were jammed there by an accidental ice field, they would not have flaunted. Maybe they even accused the Russians of not warning them to meddle in the northern seas without ice training.

At the same time, the Russian rescue forces were ready at any time to help the French sailors.

Remember yes, what did the beaver say then?

[ggl1]

I have been living in Belarus for over 40 years
I love my country and Russia
and how I hate the USA and European
"sixes"

[Scalpel]

Chill out Vasya!

[ggl1]

Idunavs (Eugene) Today, 11:50
All right nationalistic critters with us
lacking power either silent or with them
flirting
Therefore, our KGB and the FSB must burn you
the hot iron of these creatures despite protests
otherwise in case of conflict they will surrender our countries

[Stirbjorn]

He added that, together with his crew, he is proud of his transition, which was made for the first time without the help of a Russian icebreaker.

Not entirely clear, the naval portal (flot.com) reports another

Auxiliary vessel of the French Navy A603 Rhone completed the passage along the Northern Sea Route in September. He was escorted by a Russian icebreaker, AFP crew chief Philip Gene told AFP.

[Wedmak]

Very interesting. Apparently voiced a version for domestic consumption.

[Rostislav]

It would not be necessary to let alien warships go there (to collect hydrographic information).

[akunin]

At the same time, the Russian rescue forces were ready at any time to help the French sailors.

very in vain, it was necessary that he did not reach the Aleutian islands (they would not have sailed anymore).

[san4es]

It is worth noting that the first ship of the Loire project was transferred to the Navy in March this year, and the delivery of the third (Seine) is scheduled for the 1st quarter of 2019.
BSAH vessels have a speed of 14 knots and can operate without refueling for about 30 days. They can also place divers on board, carry weapons and ammunition, support submarines and surface ships, tow underwater antennas, and deploy a dam to control pollution.
BSAH main parameters:
Length: 70,30 m
Width: 15.80 m
Deadweight: Approx. 1000 T
loading space on deck: 250 m2
speed: 14 knots
hulls / superstructures: steel
amenities: 17 (crew) + 12 passengers
engine: 2 x 2 650 kW
generators: 2 x 300 kW

[Mentat]

Quote: shark

I may not understand something. Is not the NSR our territorial waters? What, in that case, did this bastard do there?

NSR is a corridor, to a certain extent, an abstraction. The actual route used by the ships several times enters Russian territorial waters, but no one forbids them not to enter. However, as stated in the note, this is a risky activity, so no one is engaged in such extreme exercises.

This passage is a window dressing. In reality, no merchant ships will produce such rings, because the owners did not give up their loss and huge losses.

[boss]

Is the Arctic Russian?
and it’s kind of like to the north pole from the eastern to the western borders, no?
or the statement of Western partners that the historically international northern route has left such an imprint on the sovereignty of the country, that not only are NATO warships patrolling there, we are also ready to provide assistance nearby so that no one drowns ???

[Krev]

Quote: faridg7

That is, it doesn’t bother you that in Moscow there are signs in Russian and English, but it annoys you that there are signs in state and English? Should they be in Chinese or Japanese?

We have state plates in Russian. And in Belarus there are no tablets in the official state Russian language.
These are all the consequences of holding the championship in Minsk, just like the old man licked the overseas audience, they did not begin to redo it. Now there are no grandmas to return back ...

[Nasty]

has large reserves of minerals and hydrocarbons

Do not open your mouth to someone else’s hearth!