There is no right to error. Will the C-300 be saved from the new IDF tactics?

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Information about the beginning of the supply of C-300PMU-2 long-range anti-aircraft missile systems to the air defense forces of the Syrian Arab Republic provoked a real flurry of positive emotions not only from the majority of sensible political scientists, military experts and bloggers acting in the single Russian media space, but also adequately perceive the real situation cases of journalists, whose field of activity is side by side with the enemy camp.

Such a brief description most closely matches the permanent journalist-expert of the rather neutral Israeli newspaper “Haaretz” Gideon Levy. In one of his latest publications, a well-known Israeli political analyst expressed his gratitude to Moscow for the clear holding of the “red line” before the actions of the Israeli air force in Syrian airspace, as well as at the closest approaches to it. Levi reflected his vision of the September 17 tragedy and the consequences for Tel Aviv in a sensational article, “Finally, someone pointed out to Israel the boundaries of what is permitted.”





The main message of this article was to focus the attention of ordinary readers and experts on the correctness of the new Russian concept of communication with the Israeli leadership "in the language of force", which came into force after provoking Hel Haavir with the "friendly fire" of the Syrian C-200B on our aircraft of radio engineering and electronic intelligence intelligence IL-20M. According to him, against the background of an even more dense and comprehensive support from the new American administration, "the red flags from Russia will calm down a little the intoxication of the power and military-political influence of the current Israeli elite."

Indeed, the recent ratification by the US Congress of a bill stipulating the allocation of a defense support package worth 38 billion dollars over 10 years to the Israeli Ministry of Defense is an “iron” incentive to ignore any obligations imposed on Bibi Netanyah and his environment in the course of negotiations with high-ranking representatives of the General Staff and the defense department of Russia. The clearest example of this is the fact that it was three days after the announcement of the military assistance package, despite the commitment by the Russian side to withdraw Iranian units of the IRGC and Hezbollah units more than 100 km from the Golan Heights, the Israeli Air Force commanded an audacious and a sudden rocket-bombing attack on industrial and military facilities in the province of Latakia with simultaneous provocation against our IL-20M, to which, unfortunately, the Russian Aerospace Forces os do not have time to advance without raising on alert A-50U not giving "coot" escorting at least a pair of Su-30SM.

Mr. Levy is really right: the supply of “three hundred” air defense units of the Syrian Arab Army (this subtext is hidden in the quotation “red flags from Russia, perhaps a little reassured by the power intoxication that engulfed Israel”) are really able to cool the hot heads in the IDF. But the key here is the very “little” that deliberately points to the continued development by Israel of a new concept of launching rocket-bombing attacks on military CAA objects, taking into account their cover with several C-XNUMPPMU-300 air defense missile systems linked by automated anti-aircraft missile control systems teams, as well as numerous means of electronic countermeasures. About a change in the tactics of the shock squadrons of the Israeli air force just a few days ago, said Syrian military specialist Turki al-Hassan.

According to him, "Israeli fighter pilots will launch missiles from outside the Syrian airspace, while the IDF is already developing additional tactics involving the use of operational-tactical ballistic missiles and large-caliber guided missiles." Nevertheless, the withdrawal of Al-Hassan gives only a vague idea of ​​the tactics developed by Israeli specialists for leveling the capabilities of the Syrian air defense system, which has received the Favorites. We are also interested in the operational-tactical details of the future aggressive attacks of Hel Haavir, announced by Avigdor Lieberman, as well as the gaps that can exist in the anti-missile umbrella of the Syrian air defense forces and the Russian Aerospace Forces even after the necessary number of C-300PMU-2 and Solyanka teams arrive in the republic from EW complexes (it is on them that the Israeli Air Force can bet).

Let's start with the fact that most of the airspace of the Syrian Arab Republic (from low-altitude sites to the upper stratosphere) will indeed become deadly dangerous for enemy aircraft (air forces of the USA, Israel, France and the UK), a non-flying zone, the 4 will play a primary role in the formation of which or more anti-aircraft missile battalions C-300PMU-2, based on data from the Kommersant newspaper. This amount can be easily judged against the background of the fact that over the past week and a half the main military transport aircraft of the Syrian Air Express (An-124-100) made more than 7 flights from our air bases to AvB Hmeimim. Moreover, according to Flightradar24 and the ANNA-News news agency, citing Syrian eyewitnesses, virtually all flights were escorted by 4 — 8 by Su-30CM and Su-35C fighters during a flight over the Deir-ez-Zor, Homs and Damascus, up to the entrance to the “umbrella” of the air defense system of the С-300В4 complex deployed near Tartus. This only shows that the cargo compartments of the Ruslans contained the most important elements of Favorites - the launch of the 9th 9th 9th March 2010, the 9th 9th 9th, 2014 9th, 2014 9th 9th 9th, 2014 30HxNumx-Xnumx radars with universal 6Bxnumxmd towers, low-altitude Xnumxnxnumx detectors, as well as 2-Xnumhmxnmx combat control points, 40xnumx detectors, as well as 6-Xnumhmx Combat control points XNUMxnxnumx and C-76BE, C-6PS and C-54PMU-6. Moreover, the Sparta III container ship is involved in the delivery of equipment.

Can the 4 of the C-XNUMPPMU-300 division create a full-fledged no-fly zone over most of the west coast of the Euphrates? Naturally, yes. But for this, the distance between the divisions deployed along the western border of Syria (between Tartus and Essaouida) should be of the order of 2 — 70 km, given that the radio horizon along low-flying Israeli F-76I, F-16I and the Delhi tactical missiles for radars 15Н30Е6 (located on 2В40МД towers) is 6 — 35 km. With such an arrangement for the Israelis, there will be practically no “blind spots”. At the same time, the total target channel for 38 "Three Hundreds" will be the total 4 simultaneously intercepted targets (24 targets for each PFAR 6X30X6 radar), which may not be enough to repel a joint strike by the Israeli Air Force and the United Air Force of the Western coalition, which can simultaneously apply a few hundred tactical missiles "Delilah-AL" ("Air Launched"), AGM-2B JASSM-ER, "Shtorm Shadow" and "SCALP Naval".

In this case, all bets must also be made on more than 50 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems "Pantsir-S1", as well as a couple of dozen military air defense systems "Buk-M1 / 2", which can not only add 320 — 350 additional target channels for the Syrian air defense, but also cover the “dead zones” of the deployed C-300PMU-2 “Favorite”, extending to 3-5 km from the positions of the 30Н6ХXUMUMX radar. Naturally, such ZRK / ZRSK, such as C-2 Pechora-125M, Tor-M2U, and Osa-AKM, also capable of working on small-sized targets after modernization, will also contribute. All of the above complexes will operate in the system coordination provided by the automated control system of the Polyana-D2М4 and Baikal-1МЭ anti-aircraft missile brigades. As a result of this erroneous fire on the same targets from several anti-aircraft missile systems and irrational consumption of ammunition should not be expected.

A very important moment in the creation of a network-centric air defense system based on C-300PMU-2 is that the range of anti-aircraft missiles 48N6E2 in 200 km will not allow Israeli jets "Sufa" and "Raam" climb to a height of 7-12 kilometers with simultaneous access to the The 100-kilometer range is the discharge of small-sized planning glide air bombs GBU-39 / B “Small Diametr Bomb” (developed by the “Boeing Integrated Defense System” division) and the Israeli “Spice-250” (from the “Rafael” company). And even if the Israeli F-16I pilots try to use the Elisra SPJ-40 airborne counter-electronic complex to reduce the “capture” range by 30НХNUMXХ6 radars, the range of the complex will decrease only to 2 — 120 km; the application of the aforementioned aerial bombs from such a distance will either be extremely difficult due to the need to climb to the launch altitude in 130 — 14 km, or it is completely unrealizable. For the Israeli Air Force this will be a very unpleasant surprise, because “narrow bombs” and “Spice-16”, in view of the ultra-small EPR in 250 — 0,01 square. m previously (before delivery C-0,015) were the only “percussion instrument” Hel Haavir, capable in some cases to overcome the layered Syrian missile defense system formed by Buk-M300 / 1E and Pantsiriami-S2 complexes. Now this feature is reduced to zero. A small number of F-1I fighters capable of reaching the C-35PMU-300 at the launching distance of planning bombs at 2 — 90 km will also not allow to achieve the desired result, because even the 110 XRNXX XRUMX 16 “Spices” can easily cope Armor-С20 ".

Regarding the possibility of the Israeli Air Force carrying out a massive anti-radar attack on the Three Hundreds radar equipment using the AGM-88E AARGM radar system, theoretically this turn of events is possible. These anti-radar missiles have a range of about 70 km at launch from very low altitudes, or 170 km - from high altitudes. Consequently, the Israeli tactical fighter F-16I will be able to launch AGM-88E both from the “shadow” of the Antilivan mountain ranges along the C-300 divisions located in the provinces of Damascus, Hama and Tartus, and from a distance of 150 — 170 km (when flying on a large height and subject to the use of airborne complexes EW "Elisra"). Moreover, the active-passive radar homing head of this WGU-48 / B rocket has an active mode of operation in the millimeter Ka-band, which is invulnerable not only for the 1L269 “Redneck-2”, 1L257 radio-electronic countermeasures system, which is deployed to Syria, Radar-4, Radar-330, 2, Radar-4-Radar , Р-8Ж "Resident", but also for higher-frequency stations of powerful noise interference SPN-17,544 / 88 (frequency ranges of X and J, from XNUMX to XNUMX GHz), designed to suppress the operation of on-board radar fighters, as well as active radar heads hush Denia anti-aircraft guided missiles and air-to-air missiles. In practice, the possibilities of AGM-XNUMXE AARGM (advanced HARMs) in the confrontation with the Syrian air defense will be extremely mediocre.

First, despite the noise immunity of the active-passive three-band seeker WGU-48 / B, the radio-correction channel module installed on its board will not be able to receive updated tactical data from the carrier or the Rivet Joint radio reconnaissance aircraft, since this channel is in frequency Link-16 information exchange network (from 960 to 1215 MHz), which means it can be easily suppressed by means of an EW complex such as R-330М1П Diabazol and other electronic countermeasures operating in UHF-, VHF- and L-ranges, k Recently, CAA and VKS of Russia were supplied to Syria. Without the stable operation of the correction channel, AGM-88E will not be able to work on radars that have turned off the radiation, which will turn these missiles into useless scrap metal on the F16I “Sufa” suspension nodes.

Secondly, AGM-88E AARGM anti-radar missiles with 250 mm case diameter, ARGSN radio array reflector web with a diameter of about 200 mm and huge aerodynamic control surfaces with 1,13 m span have an effective reflecting surface around 0,1 — 0,15 square. m, so that the Syrian C-300PMU-2 radars will be able to “capture” them for accurate auto tracking at a distance of about 100 — 120 km and begin the interception process. Thirdly, the flight speed of the RLPR AGM-88E is only 2,1М (as in the early version of the HARM), and therefore they will be able to intercept not only the C-300PMU-2, but the troop air defense missile systems Buk-M1 / 2E, as well as anti-aircraft missiles -Panzir-С1 cannon complexes.

In such difficult operational and tactical conditions (taking into account the most powerful “backbone” of EW delivered to the SAR by means of Il-76MD military transport aircraft), the Israel Defense Forces can trick by trying to overcome the “barrier” of “Favorites” using non-viewable radars The 30H6EX2 dead-funnel zones, covering the 48-degree sector directly above each radar of illumination and targeting. For this, American MGM-140 / 164B ATACMS Block I / IIA American tactical ballistic missiles (urgently purchased from the USA via the FMS line) with a range from 150 to 300 km (depending on the type of equipment) or Israeli DTRBs can be used LORA with a range of 300 to 450 km. Moving along a ballistic trajectory with the highest point at the apogee of the order of 50 — 60 km, the ATACMS and LORA missiles are able to pass over the maximum height of interception of the C-300PMU-2 complex (27 — 32 km), successfully entering the very “dead funnel” with the angle of the peak to the position of the anti-aircraft missile battalion of order 80 — 85 degrees. Most importantly, the march section of the trajectory with a height of 50 km will allow the ATACMS missile GPS correction module to be used without fear of the detrimental influence of the Resident and P-330М330П Diabazol complexes deployed on the surface for precise guidance.


Testing start-up of the prototype OTB "LORA"


As for the near-track section of the trajectory (at an altitude of about 10 — 7 km), then there may not be a need for super-precise guidance (with a QUO of 10 m), since OTBR ATACMS and LORA can be used as combat equipment, firstly, self-aiming combat elements (SPBE) of type P3I BAT with infrared-acoustic guidance system capable of focusing on the thermal and acoustic portraits of the operating antenna post with 30H6EXNNXX radar, secondly, Israeli 2-mm self-guided anti-tank elements “SADARM” with combi hydrochloric infrared-millimeter wave radar seeker (protected from EW), thirdly, several hundred conventional unmanaged combat fission M147 APAM, one of which will hurt radar illumination 74PMU C-300 with high probability. All this must be taken into account by the commands of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian air defense forces in the course of the distribution of the 300th to the corresponding positions in the Syrian Arab Republic.

Conclusion: the main goal in building the updated Syrian air defense system should be to overlap the “dead craters” of the C-300PMU-2 C-40 anti-aircraft missile divisions with the assumption that the ballistic targets for the Favorites are only 40 km. The divisions' positions must be located no more than 6 km from each other, and therefore the required number of complexes to protect the airspace from Tartus to the Golan Heights must be brought to 8 — 300 units plus additional separation of the defense of each C-2PMU-10 with several “Pantyri », For which the“ dead funnel ”sector does not exceed XNUMX degrees. And this is not a fantastic scenario, since we all know firsthand about the operational-tactical subtleties, skill and cunning of the Israel Defense Forces in general and Hel Haavir in particular. And you should not forget about maneuvers with the “probing” of the Greek “300ths”.

Information sources:
https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/113198.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/c300pmu2/c300pmu2.shtml
https://ak-12.livejournal.com/77329.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/news/kompaniya-atk-obyavila-o-zaklyuchenii-kontrakta-na-proizvodstvo-raket-agm-88e-aargm/
https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/5615656
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  1. -20
    2 October 2018 06: 01
    I’m trying to understand everything - how can fast and high-speed fighters escort a low-speed turboprop aircraft?
    1. +21
      2 October 2018 06: 44
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      I’m trying to understand everything - how can fast and high-speed fighters escort a low-speed turboprop aircraft?

      Very simple - dropping the speed to values ​​comparable to the speed of the aircraft being followed. The cruising speed of the IL-20 is about 600 km / h. Jet Su-30SM / Su-35S feel great at the same speed.
      1. +1
        3 October 2018 12: 49
        and the Syrians did not see that around IL 4 Jews fly ??? And still pulled. knowing. that the rocket is uncontrollable ...
        1. -1
          3 October 2018 18: 43
          Again SKA is to blame for the Syrians)) YOU WILL EXPLAIN TO ME THAT GENERALLY MAKED ISRAEL'S MILITARY PLANES IN ANOTHER SPACE ????????? And then the Syrians are Syrians! ONLY WE AGREED WITH ISRAEL, BUT NOT SYRIA, THEY ARE THE FOLLOWERS!
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            1. 0
              3 November 2018 16: 06
              You sucked or pissed! Che do not fly and do not bomb now ????? Ahhh! Ssykotno) Instead of sniffing in front of everyone you yap at us) Why. The screen from our radar has already proved everything to everyone. This is from the cartoons that official Israel does not recognize its nuclear weapons, but everyone knows that it is)
              1. 0
                10 January 2019 20: 25
                Already bombing. And well bombed, and you know why, because our pilots called them in your gene. The headquarters are not the most professional. As for the atomic bomb, we don’t have it. But if we need it, we will apply it, our Prime Minister Golda Meir said in the 70s.
                1. 0
                  10 January 2019 20: 43
                  Hde? To bomb as before, you are afraid what is right. You don’t have to swing this horseradish in front of Iran. Here and in the snout you can grab.
        2. 0
          3 October 2018 23: 05
          How did an unguided rocket re-target the IL-20?
    2. +6
      2 October 2018 06: 56
      They can, because 800-900 km / h is considered to be kreiskra for an airplane, afterburner and supersonic for a fighter is an exception, almost all flights occur at a speed close to cruising for An-124 (850 km / h)
      If you are talking about the IL-20, then at a speed of 400-500, the Su-30 is quite capable of flying without problems, far from stalling.
    3. 0
      2 October 2018 08: 04
      Maybe at an altitude of 3 km the f-16 has a maximum speed of 1430 km / h, and the landing one is even less, I couldn’t find the data, but it’s more than 300-400 km / h. The turboprop speed is just in the aisles of 450-600 km / h.
      1. 0
        2 October 2018 09: 29
        The turboprop speed is just in the aisles of 450-600 km / h.


        depending on which, the same Tu-95 has a cruising speed of more than 700 kilometers.
    4. +18
      2 October 2018 10: 30
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      I’m trying to understand everything - how can fast and high-speed fighters escort a low-speed turboprop aircraft?

      During the race, the motorcycle accompanied us ... How did he manage? Looks like a sorcerer ..
      1. +3
        2 October 2018 16: 33
        Quote: Serge Gorely
        During the race, the motorcycle accompanied us ... How did he manage?

        From whom did they run? Hut opened and the cops on the tail?
        1. +4
          3 October 2018 09: 40
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: Serge Gorely
          During the race, the motorcycle accompanied us ... How did he manage?

          From whom did they run? Hut opened and the cops on the tail?

          It’s not necessary to judge by yourself Stas ...
          1. +3
            3 October 2018 11: 38
            Quote: Serge Gorely
            It’s not necessary to judge by yourself Stas ...

            Do not be offended! It was a joke.
    5. 0
      4 October 2018 12: 56
      Probably they also put screws on these fighters ...
    6. 0
      28 October 2018 12: 17
      they will reel in supersonic circles around the low-speed boat
  2. +19
    2 October 2018 06: 18
    There is a question of the rigidity of our politicians, will they have the strength to apply all these complexes? Where was 400 when enemy planes attacked? Ours did not know about them? Did you know but didn’t warn your own side / air defense of Syria? Why didn’t they shoot down planes? The sense of even new systems if they stand and look at what is happening. An air defense umbrella against a militarized state is just a muscle game, not a real defense. We are perfectly aware that, if desired, all this will be destroyed. And I hope it will lead to disastrous consequences for those who try to do this ... although seeing the spinelessness of our response is a big question.
    1. +14
      2 October 2018 18: 01
      Quote: Xroft
      An air defense umbrella against a militarized state is just a muscle game, not a real defense. We are perfectly aware that, if desired, all this will be destroyed. And I hope it will lead to disastrous consequences for those who try to do this ... although seeing the spinelessness of our response is a big question.

      The entire article is incorrectly worded. Will they be able to or not? And under what conditions? If you just go into the dead defense and try to shoot down everything that will fly, then even with a triple excess of the standard cover of the complexes, you can always create a shaft of missiles that will breach any defense in a small area. Dead defense is a dead end road to total defeat. So categorically you can’t build a defense !! Defense must be active! When striking Syria, it is necessary to respond with a blow to military targets in the territory of the attacker or to the ships of the attacker. And any adversary should know about the inevitability of a retaliatory strike! And only the fulfillment of this condition guarantees that the thought process of the aggressor will lead him to the thought of the inappropriateness of strikes. Syrians should be able to strike retaliation at the airfields of the aggressors. Without fulfilling this condition, no air defense will help them. In the meantime ... while this is not even planned ...
      1. 0
        2 October 2018 18: 10
        This is muscle flexing. We must ask the question, why? To intimidate, IDF, this is ridiculous (I think you understand why). Then who is this game for? I have one answer, this is done with the aim of protecting your contingent from the possible consequences of the "mess".
        1. +4
          2 October 2018 18: 38
          It’s ridiculous to scare Russia.
          1. +1
            2 October 2018 19: 08
            I agree, hence the attempt of Norkin ..
      2. VB
        +1
        5 October 2018 20: 43
        In the meantime, we will express regret and bewilderment. Lavrov’s family lived in America for a long time, real estate and money, daughter a successful businessman. I recall the fate of Dybenko. Comrade Stalin healed him from trying to help his sister through the US Embassy with a bullet in the basement. Oh, how many guarantor of such divorced! It's time for their crops.
      3. 0
        6 October 2018 19: 26
        The best defense method is attack. Our and Syrian generals cannot understand this. Because the most stupid people in the world are soldiers and cops.
    2. -1
      3 October 2018 23: 07
      And what kind of enemy aircraft went on the attack?
    3. 0
      8 October 2018 21: 46
      The big question is about ours in Moscow. Ours do not behave like that. They sent the guys to Syria, take care.
      1. -1
        8 October 2018 22: 27
        Quote: NordUral
        They sent the guys to Syria, take care

        Something you reminded me right now of the song "Committee of nulliparous mothers".

        The army is not a detsky garden, and was created, EMNIS, to protect the interests of the State. That is, she must be able to protect herself ... yes, by definition. Not this way? wink
  3. +21
    2 October 2018 06: 33
    there is a real opportunity to land the Israeli Air Force ... if the Kremlin does not betray the army
    1. 0
      2 October 2018 17: 51
      The ACS system with fire during an air attack implies not only missiles. Somehow they forgot about the fact that there are interceptor aircraft, very fast and designed to destroy enemy aircraft. As soon as planes take off in Israel, Syria will know about it. As soon as they move towards Syria, the interceptors will be in the air. As soon as the missiles are fired, there will immediately be a command to shoot down and the interceptor will receive a target and launch a missile for destruction, or crash from a cannon. What will fly on ballistics will be intercepted from outer space and it will be indicated where it is moving. Next is a matter of technology. It will not lead to a major war, but it will lead to crying in Israel in the families of pilots. This is not a red line - it is a bloody line with streaks. Bless and save!
      1. +6
        2 October 2018 17: 59
        I missed something, and what modification is now on duty at the bases. Why haven’t the interceptors been raised before? From what, I apologize, Cosmos.
        1. +1
          4 October 2018 00: 32
          Panim you have so many brains that I could explain to you until the end of this decade. Well, firstly - there is no Cosmos, but there is a firmament of heaven. And for the interceptors, there was not enough thin gum that needed to be wound so that the plane could fly. There two of them twist the steering wheel, and the second winds the elastic. How to deliver the gum, so fly.
      2. +1
        2 October 2018 18: 40
        Right. Blood and tears for families, and politicians for new roadmaps.
      3. 0
        10 January 2019 20: 45
        Directly a movie for children. Our shoot and fall, the Germans shoot and miss. Probably in your gene. The headquarters are not quite fools. Know what you and other stupid people are offering is dangerous to your health.
    2. A.
      +3
      2 October 2018 22: 42
      Kremlin parasites have not yet betrayed the army, because it provides an opportunity to fill immense pockets, but betrayed the Russian people, the cannibalistic pension reform, one of many, confirms this.
      1. -6
        3 October 2018 23: 01
        Help Israel and the United States-go to the square against the government and Putin.
      2. -2
        3 October 2018 23: 09
        There are always those who are offended, who shit their nonsense in any topic. Read at least the name of the topic and please do not go into it with your own delirium. There are plenty of topics about retirement and more. There are specialized sites even for this. What for you climbed in?
  4. +4
    2 October 2018 06: 58
    That is why an ordinary citizen of the Russian Federation should know whether the Defense Ministry will save its S-300 from the new tactics of the IDF? And after all they write that, "WE", Forcing a friend to think that we are WE, thereby forcing him to think at a level that has nothing to do with HIS life.
    1. -5
      2 October 2018 09: 27
      All these "We" are actually provocateurs and warmongers from pupkars and vapors.
    2. +1
      4 October 2018 00: 28
      The feeling of belonging is important for an ordinary citizen, this allows not to degenerate into a "common man". And this is vitally important for a person, in contrast to a slave, who cares only for the most primitive physiological functions.
  5. 0
    2 October 2018 07: 00
    Why the hell would Israel just attack Russian-Syrian air defense. Let them sit in their own country. We do not meddle with them to bomb them.
    1. +5
      2 October 2018 11: 03
      There is a kind of war between Syria and Israel. In general, the East is a delicate matter.
      1. 0
        2 October 2018 17: 16
        "It's like a war between Syria and Israel. In general, the east is a delicate matter."

        There is no war between them now, but in order to neutralize the threat to their air forces, they can strike at Syrian air defense
        1. -1
          3 October 2018 09: 29
          Quote: Alexey Vasilievich I
          There is no war between them now, but in order to neutralize the threat to their air forces, they can strike at Syrian air defense

          Why shouldn't the Syrians "in order to neutralize the threat to their own" air defenses do not screw up the airfields of the Israelis. Funds for this "borrow" from Russia /
          1. +6
            3 October 2018 13: 46
            Then it will be a full-scale war between Syria and Israel. Syria is now not able to fight with anyone other than the barmalei and then with the support of Russia
          2. +1
            3 October 2018 21: 04
            Quote: aleks26
            Why shouldn't the Syrians "in order to neutralize the threat to their own" air defenses do not screw up the airfields of the Israelis. Funds for this "borrow" from Russia /

            Why should Moldova not solve the problem with Transnistria using the power of Romania? Or are you afraid that they will not lend you money?
        2. +5
          4 October 2018 03: 53
          Actually - between the SAR and the State of Israel is an officially legal state of war since May 1948 hi
  6. 0
    2 October 2018 07: 01
    Also in the near future, the Israeli Air Force will be armed with a supersonic missile Rampage, with a range greater than 200 km and a small EPR, here there will be many problems. They can be carried by F-15, 16 in the amount of 4-6 pieces, a strike by these missiles is most likely to be successful.
    1. +1
      2 October 2018 07: 52
      Also in the near future, the Israeli Air Force will be armed with a supersonic missile Rampage, with a range greater than 200 km and a small EPR, here there will be many problems. They can be carried by F-15, 16 in the amount of 4-6 pieces, a strike by these missiles is most likely to be successful.


      I think that it is not necessary to focus on the fact that the air defense systems will close everything and save everything, most likely they will be used in conjunction with the same aviation and satellite control systems.
    2. +4
      2 October 2018 12: 27
      If the F-15,16 firing missiles did not return to base, then the strike would not be considered successful. Regardless of whether you managed to shoot down missiles.
    3. +1
      2 October 2018 17: 18
      I strongly doubt that the data of the Kyrgyz Republic will be invisible to the S-300PMU-2 wink
      1. +3
        2 October 2018 18: 58
        They will be noticeable, but the carrier will not be hit and reflect the second wave - BC may not be enough.
        1. +2
          2 October 2018 19: 29
          That's when they will be accepted, then we’ll see wink In the meantime, this is empty talk
    4. -2
      3 October 2018 09: 32
      Quote: Vadim851
      Also in the near future, the Israeli Air Force will be armed with a supersonic missile Rampage, with a range greater than 200 km and a small EPR, here there will be many problems.

      Could the Iskander solve these problems? Type Syrian.
  7. +9
    2 October 2018 07: 04
    Let's hope that the Ministry of Defense took into account all the "mistakes" that took place in Syria, and often through no fault of our side. And they have already shown toughness without making concessions to Israel either on its excuses regarding the IL-20, or on the S-300, although Netanyahu called Moscow expressing his concerns and requests.
    1. -2
      3 October 2018 16: 50
      yeah, nothing said a word about tomatoes
    2. 0
      3 October 2018 23: 14
      No need to hope so. Countries have been fighting there for decades. And these are only modern wars. You can’t step over all this and go all the way right away in 1-2-3 years. There will still be many sad situations, and this, no matter how sad it sounds, is normal. It’s simply impossible in another way. The main thing is that everything would be taken into account and worked out. And somewhere, if possible, in advance.
      I think Netanyau called and agreed that they would not kindle the situation and write off everything on the SAA.
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    1. -6
      2 October 2018 11: 16
      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      This is no longer journalism and not expert opinion, but "brainwashing" of the electorate, that is, propaganda.
      Well, that can't be like that. Propaganda? In Russia? Can you say that there was propaganda in the USSR?
      1. 0
        3 October 2018 23: 03
        Well, it’s known that only Russia is forbidden to propagate for itself.
        The rest can be - they are for all the good.
      2. +1
        3 October 2018 23: 15
        in the USSR, of course, there was propaganda, as in any other country and not only in a country, society, and so on, but what’s wrong with that?
  9. +2
    2 October 2018 07: 49
    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines!
  10. +11
    2 October 2018 08: 02
    If we take this terrible scenario, described by Damantsev as reality, it turns out that the Israeli Air Force is going to attack our air defense forces (after all, Shoigu promised that our officers would command the S-300 and the electronic warfare forces!)! Then this is no longer an Arab-Israeli war, but a war of Israel against the Russian Federation! Yeah! One can only guess how full of determination the RF Ministry of Defense and the authorities in the Kremlin are for real action! But in this situation, "reverse" is equivalent to surrender in all this fuss, starting from 08.08.08! And Israel is not Georgia! ..
    1. 0
      3 October 2018 23: 18
      Actually, that’s not the case. Israel has a war against Hezbola, which is directed by Iran and which is supported by Syria. Partly, perhaps, Israel is resolving issues not only against it. And here we come out in defense of our interests, partly Syrian and partly Hezbola. I don’t know who is right here. The back gears are something you personal look like. I do not think that the situation there can be called such words.
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    1. +20
      2 October 2018 09: 11
      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      This is a real war between Russia and Israel, which we will not lose, and you will not win ... for many reasons.

      Yah? What about the downed Sil? Is this not a reason for war? Moreover, Jews basically do not want to apologize.
      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      But most importantly: you are ready to make sacrifices out of ambition, for the interests of the Syrian dictator and Iranian religious fanatics

      Do not transfer from a sick head to a healthy one. Because of your provocation, many good people died. If you don’t want to admit your mistake, then you have to learn. Are you ready to fight with the nuclear and energy superpower because of your own obstinacy?
      1. -2
        3 October 2018 23: 05
        They are sure that we are a banana republic of subhuman.
    2. +1
      2 October 2018 10: 45
      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      This is a real war between Russia and Israel, which we will not lose

      Don't say "Gop" at the wrong time.
    3. +6
      2 October 2018 10: 53
      You are in Syria - jackal under the feet of an American eagle, and stopping the Russian bear from protecting its ally - Syria. Will you climb - will you receive, is that clear?
      1. -9
        2 October 2018 11: 18
        Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
        Will you climb - will you receive, is that clear?
        They will climb, you will receive the funeral of those killed by the Assault Guard.
        1. -1
          3 October 2018 23: 06
          So you are also immortal?
    4. +5
      2 October 2018 14: 28
      Quote: Zionian
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      there is a real opportunity to land the Israeli Air Force ... if the Kremlin does not betray the army


      This is a real war between Russia and Israel, which we will not lose, and you will not win ... for many reasons.

      But most importantly: you are ready to make sacrifices out of ambition, for the interests of the Syrian dictator and Iranian religious fanatics. Not original. The Soviet Union tore its forces for the sake of chimeras. Want to repeat his fate? For what?

      Does Israel want to repeat Hitler’s fate?
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        1. +5
          2 October 2018 21: 59
          Quote: ivy1969
          And the Russian Federation apparently Hitler?

          So far, planes have been shot down from Russia and ours are dying.
          So, Israel already tried on Hitler’s skin, and is now looking for the guilty.
          They feel the hexagon, in whose slippers they have pissed, $ 38 billion of the US staff need to be worked out, see that they are not stuck in your throat.
    5. +4
      2 October 2018 18: 42
      Why isn’t you losing? Lose.
    6. +7
      2 October 2018 19: 00
      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      This is a real war between Russia and Israel, which we will not lose, and you will not win ... for many reasons.

      Hide behind Trump's broad chest? What else are you capable of? Finely shitting stealthily?
    7. +3
      2 October 2018 20: 46
      Unfortunately, everyone will lose - both Israel and Russia. If the war between Israel and Russia begins, then these will be victims not for the interests of the Syrian dictator and Iranian religious fanatics, but for the destruction of Israeli slander, stupidity, greed and aggressiveness.
      The Soviet Union defeated Nazi Europe, no matter what. And with Israel, if that happens, he will figure it out in a similar way, there will be enough forces, only much faster, and America and NATO will not help you.
      The Soviet Union became one of the founders of the state of Israel, so do not forget the words of the hero of Gogol Taras Bulba:
      "- What, son, did your Poles help you?

      Andriy was unrequited.

      - So sell it? sell faith? sell your? Wait, get off the horse!

      Submissively, like a child, he got off his horse and stopped neither alive nor dead before Taras.

      - Stop and don't move! I gave birth to you, and I will kill you! - Taras said and, stepping back a step, took off the gun from his shoulder. "
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    1. +10
      2 October 2018 08: 40
      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      The incident with IL20 is used as an excuse to strengthen Syrian air defense

      Which we ourselves organized? belay I have not heard such excuses from the Israelis; they have slipped to the level of intelligence of the dill. laughing
    2. +5
      2 October 2018 10: 49
      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      reduce the damage to the Syrian regime from a retaliation strike for the "next" chemical. attack

      So in chemical attacks of cruel regime, we also believe. Oh well.
      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      The incident with IL20 is used as an excuse to strengthen Syrian air defense

      Quote: Citizen of Zion
      This is just an excuse.
      is just a response Yes
    3. +5
      2 October 2018 14: 31
      Quote: Zionian
      Quote: rotmistr60
      rigidity has already been shown without making concessions to Israel either on its excuses regarding the IL-20, nor on the S-300


      This is all nonsense. The IL20 incident is used as a pretext to strengthen Syrian air defense, in order to prevent or reduce damage to the Syrian regime from a retaliation strike for the "next" chemical. attack. This is just an excuse.

      Well, then we will give you a reason to strengthen the Israeli Air Force.
      "for the" next "chemical attack" - very funny, do you believe in it or are you pretending?
    4. +3
      2 October 2018 18: 45
      You created it with the blood of Russian pilots ... As the "pretext" put it.
    5. -1
      2 October 2018 20: 48
      Here, about fifty OTRs of unknown affiliation will fly to you as retribution for the "next retribution".
  13. +1
    2 October 2018 08: 29
    The author needs to go to Voronezh and look at the Voronezh SDRO. (joke)
  14. +3
    2 October 2018 08: 34
    Gadeon Levy, an expert journalist for the fairly neutral Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

    Haaretz is an ultra-left newspaper with a scanty audience, and Gideon Levy is an odious ultra-ultra left-wing journalist who is ready to turn Israel over to Arabs and who is not allowed to enter decent places like TV programs or conferences. Incidentally, he is extremely negative (and this is reciprocal) towards immigrants from the former USSR in Israel.
    So, in order to foment controversy, his opuses can be laid out on VO. But his point of view is the point of view of the meager percentage of ultra-left Israelis and does not reflect the real state of things in Israel.

    The fan is spinning with might and main!
    1. -6
      2 October 2018 10: 45
      And Damantsev is not better! The local graphomaniac and amateur, writes on the principle of the more bukof, the better.
      1. -10
        2 October 2018 11: 30
        Quote: stone
        And Damantsev is not better! The local graphomaniac and amateur, writes on the principle of the more bukof, the better.

        It is what it is. Recognizable author -> author -> author. I think that 5 percent of readers master his opuses to the end, no more.
    2. 0
      2 October 2018 12: 19
      Quote: brigadir
      Incidentally, he is extremely negative (and this is reciprocal) towards immigrants from the former USSR in Israel.

      Duc, no wonder: with each wave of migrants to Israel, more and more garbage is brought. Therefore, it is easy to understand the local "title", which are already quietly fucking from the "come in large numbers". Yes And anyway - vote for Tzipi Livni, and there will be peace for you. fellow
      1. +1
        2 October 2018 13: 53
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Quote: brigadir
        Incidentally, he is extremely negative (and this is reciprocal) towards immigrants from the former USSR in Israel.

        Duc, no wonder: with each wave of migrants to Israel, more and more garbage is brought. Therefore, it is easy to understand the local "title", which are already quietly fucking from the "come in large numbers". Yes And anyway - vote for Tzipi Livni, and there will be peace for you. fellow

        Everyone in Israel recognizes the fact that the country's current economic success happened solely due to almost a million educated and ready to plow as damned new repatriates from the former USSR who arrived in the 90s.
        Any country would like to receive for just a few hundred thousand doctors, engineers, scientists, teachers with the desire to achieve a good life and who are ready to work hard for this.
        Garbage also arrived (drunkards / brawlers / ladies with low social responsibility), old people arrived, whom the country took on its balance sheet, but in general any country can only dream of such an "injection".
        In recent years, all sorts of people who have the right to repatriation who have nothing to do with the Jews have been traveling - maybe there was a grandfather. But they can't stand it - it's hard for them - they return to Ukraine, Russia ... according to the list.
  15. +2
    2 October 2018 09: 31
    When will tax and defense loans be introduced, otherwise my pension will burn my thigh?
  16. +10
    2 October 2018 10: 01
    I doubt that it will be so easy to suppress the Link-16 tactical communications system, since it uses pseudo-random frequency tuning. It is simply unrealistic to provide the necessary suppression power density in the entire range of 960 - 1215 MHz.
    Plus, the active electronic warfare systems themselves immediately become a target for anti-radar weapons.
    Air defense cannot be held indefinitely in a defensive mode - a reflection of the attack must provide for a retaliatory strike against carriers and airfields based. He will?
    1. +2
      2 October 2018 15: 20
      Of course there will not be. For war, three things are needed — money, money, and once more money; aphorism has long been known. And our country has no money, so D.A. personally Medvedev said. And DAM a whole prime minister, and moreover a minister, he knows about the money.
      1. +5
        2 October 2018 20: 51
        They will find money for the war, don’t worry, you’ll just eat less.
  17. +7
    2 October 2018 10: 13
    Israel is our best sparring partner. The more jambs our military detects, the better. In a big war with NATO, it’s useful.
    1. 0
      2 October 2018 10: 37
      And vice versa. Only technology is not comparable.
      1. +2
        3 October 2018 10: 27
        Why compare them? You just need to use them correctly. The fascists, for example, had ballistic missiles and fighter jets. But they did not help them much ...
  18. +7
    2 October 2018 10: 14
    The analysis is certainly competent, the author is well done for trying. I just think the MO knows what it is doing ... well, in case of emergency, Damantsev will be sent to Syria as a consultant.
    1. +1
      2 October 2018 21: 21
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Well, in an emergency, Damantsev will be sent as a consultant to Syria.

      So he pinched Lieberman there - the Kishinev loader is a worthy opponent ...
  19. +6
    2 October 2018 11: 27
    Do not save. It seems that air defense systems are supplied specifically to be destroyed. In order to avoid Israeli attacks on the air defense system of the Russian Federation in Syria, it is necessary to destroy or at least create a threat of instant destruction of the Israeli attack means. If you want to avoid a collision, be sure to get a shame and a collision on extremely unfavorable conditions or just a shame.
    1. +1
      2 October 2018 11: 38
      I agree. But I suppose this will be the next level of understanding of this problem.
      1. +2
        3 October 2018 10: 32
        Dialectics is a great thing! The Red Army had to go through the icy extreme of the Finnish war and defeat from the Wehrmacht's advanced tactics in the 41st in order to become the best army in the world by 1944. We only have that. That Americans win easily. All battles win, but wars lose. In Russia, a different system.
  20. +2
    2 October 2018 11: 34
    Damantsev, as always Damantsev
    Gideon Levy, a permanent journalist expert for the fairly neutral Israeli newspaper Haaretz

    Ultra-left Haaretz and the same ultra-left Gidon called neutral?
    You can not read further.
    1. -2
      2 October 2018 18: 48
      And they ordered to destroy the Russian plane apparently Ultra-correct? :)
  21. +1
    2 October 2018 13: 46
    All this must be taken into account by the commands of the Russian Air Force and the Syrian air defense forces during the distribution of the “XNUMXth” to the corresponding positions in the Syrian Arab Republic.
    That's what the command of the RF Armed Forces grouping really needs to take into account - what anti-sabotage forces, as well as air defense means, to cover the columns of these "XNUMX" when marching from the unloading point to the positional areas! sad
    1. 0
      2 October 2018 14: 08
      Quote: Radikal
      All this must be taken into account by the commands of the Russian Air Force and the Syrian air defense forces during the distribution of the “XNUMXth” to the corresponding positions in the Syrian Arab Republic.
      That's what the command of the RF Armed Forces grouping really needs to take into account - what anti-sabotage forces, as well as air defense means, to cover the columns of these "XNUMX" when marching from the unloading point to the positional areas! sad

      In my opinion, they won’t touch them until they fire the first shot at any plane: Israeli, American, French - there are many who graze there.
      But when this happens and if there are losses from the attackers, then there will be an attempt to destroy them, these C300s. I think the attempt will be successful. Intuition tells me. laughing
      1. +7
        2 October 2018 14: 41
        Quote: brigadir
        Quote: Radikal
        All this must be taken into account by the commands of the Russian Air Force and the Syrian air defense forces during the distribution of the “XNUMXth” to the corresponding positions in the Syrian Arab Republic.
        That's what the command of the RF Armed Forces grouping really needs to take into account - what anti-sabotage forces, as well as air defense means, to cover the columns of these "XNUMX" when marching from the unloading point to the positional areas! sad

        In my opinion, they won’t touch them until they fire the first shot at any plane: Israeli, American, French - there are many who graze there.
        But when this happens and if there are losses from the attackers, then there will be an attempt to destroy them, these C300s. I think the attempt will be successful. Intuition tells me. laughing

        Yes, it is clear that the S-300 is a means of defense, and not attacks and their destruction, a matter of time. We must work comprehensively, destroy carriers and delivery vehicles, airfields with storage bases for weapons and fuel, etc. according to the list, including the infrastructure of Israel and primarily large sources of fresh water, a couple of large power plants, and so on. Naturally, the Kremlin will not go for it (until they do), good reasons are needed.
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          1. +3
            2 October 2018 19: 19
            and who gave Israel the right to destroy the infrastructure of Syria, Iran? Who gave the right to kill their citizens? How did they start talking about the Israeli infrastructure and immediately squealed, but how can one piracy over the territory of sovereign states, right?
          2. +5
            2 October 2018 21: 24
            Quote: ivy1969
            Will you destroy half a million Russian citizens in Israel?

            In fact, Russian citizens live in Russia. And those in Israel, apparently, will use Russian passports as air defense systems.
            Quote: ivy1969
            What to divide Israel and the Russian Federation ???

            There is nothing to share. But for meanness must be punished.
          3. +5
            2 October 2018 22: 15
            Quote: ivy1969
            A connoisseur of Divan, I can come as a Russian and destroy the infrastructure in your apartment. Do you think this is difficult? What categories do you think? What is in your head ??? Will you destroy half a million Russian citizens in Israel? You didn’t lean on your head dude ??? I understand that a reindeer herder has not served in the army, but what about you ??? What to divide Israel and the Russian Federation ???

            What was taught at the time (and experience is available), I think in such categories if we start to fight for real, ALL-s-* - * e-c.
            So far, Israel is destroying the infrastructure of neighboring states, and so far you won’t get hit on the head, it will reach you.
            "Are you going to destroy half a million Russian citizens in Israel?" - and what to do .... and rather they are no longer ours, but more YOURS.
            "What to divide Israel and the Russian Federation ???" - ah-ah-ah, bitches, already as they started talking, they are going to fight with us, but as the smell of fried smells, you have a thin gut against Russia, even with 38 lard from the states and their help.
      2. +1
        2 October 2018 14: 46
        Quote: brigadir
        Quote: Radikal
        All this must be taken into account by the commands of the Russian Air Force and the Syrian air defense forces during the distribution of the “XNUMXth” to the corresponding positions in the Syrian Arab Republic.
        That's what the command of the RF Armed Forces grouping really needs to take into account - what anti-sabotage forces, as well as air defense means, to cover the columns of these "XNUMX" when marching from the unloading point to the positional areas! sad

        In my opinion, they won’t touch them until they fire the first shot at any plane: Israeli, American, French - there are many who graze there.
        But when this happens and if there are losses from the attackers, then there will be an attempt to destroy them, these C300s. I think the attempt will be successful. Intuition tells me. laughing

        Yes, no one is going to shoot down "Israeli, American, French" - if they themselves do not climb.
        1. 0
          2 October 2018 18: 50
          These planes themselves will get tired :) Nobody will shoot them down. Few old air conditioners happen :)?
      3. +3
        2 October 2018 14: 47
        Quote: brigadir
        and if there are losses from the attackers

        It is clear that it was necessary to destroy the F-16 for our Il.
        1. +1
          2 October 2018 14: 51
          Your IL shot down or the Syrians or yours. Choose.
          Forgot what?
          1. +3
            2 October 2018 18: 51
            Do not confuse cause with effect. He was framed by your Air Force.
          2. +3
            2 October 2018 20: 46
            You have become a catalyst for tragedy - it means that you are to blame first.
          3. +5
            2 October 2018 21: 54
            Quote: brigadir
            Your IL shot down or the Syrians or yours. Choose.
            Forgot what?

            This is a consequence, the reason was in the Israeli F-16.
            We will destroy the cause.
        2. +4
          2 October 2018 21: 38
          Quote: MKPU-115
          then it was necessary to destroy the F-16 for our Il.

          So the Syrians tried ... As many as 27 missiles burned ... But except for Il-a, they did not succeed ... against the F-16. That is why we supply S-300PMU2 "to cool the hot heads". And now let them try, risk their health ...
          I think that after the full deployment of a layered system based on air defense ASBU in the area of ​​our military facilities, their speed will decrease.
          F-16 can be replaced by UAVs, OTR and other DRGs ... But F-35 will not be sent exactly like that ... God forbid, the Russians will be hit with a fool! So, he won’t be accountable to Uncle Sam forever ... Again - the threat of losing military secrets, know-how, and prestige is a terrible threat!
          But we will see!
      4. +1
        3 October 2018 10: 34
        This does not play any role. Successful, unsuccessful ... The main thing is a real combat experience. Only he is able to make the army combat-ready. We have enough missiles.
  22. 0
    2 October 2018 15: 22
    Quote: Xroft
    There is a question of the rigidity of our politicians, will they have the strength to apply all these complexes? Where was 400 when enemy planes attacked? Ours did not know about them? Did you know but didn’t warn your own side / air defense of Syria? Why didn’t they shoot down planes? The sense of even new systems if they stand and look at what is happening. An air defense umbrella against a militarized state is just a muscle game, not a real defense. We are perfectly aware that, if desired, all this will be destroyed. And I hope it will lead to disastrous consequences for those who try to do this ... although seeing the spinelessness of our response is a big question.

    It was sucked several times. Now let's imagine the situation before the downing of our IL-20, which you wrote. There are agreements with Israel and the USA, there are hot lines. We are not at war with Israel or the coalition. Radars spotted in the sky near Syria the F-16 of Israel or the coalition. What should we do, shoot down planes right away, call and shoot down in a minute. Call, say that the air defense worked out in the direction of the north, and ourselves to work on the F-16 to the west.
    According to the warning of our aircraft, he was warned and went south, because Israel said the strike would be in the north. The thesis - Syrian air defense should have warned IL-20 that one of the F-16s left for them and accordingly the missile will take a plane with a much larger surface and located closer, I don’t know, could and should have, but in my opinion, this is necessary it was foreseeable that an Israeli pilot would perform the maneuver, with the care of the IL-20. If we had military operations with Israel, much would be different.
  23. -4
    2 October 2018 15: 26
    Quote: Bull Terrier
    I’m trying to understand everything - how can fast and high-speed fighters escort a low-speed turboprop aircraft?

    This is not the main thing!
    When the specialists of Russia and the West saw the records of radars and satellites:
    during the attack on the Iranian base, the IL-20 was at a distance of 200 km, the difference in flight altitude was 5.000 m, and Syria’s air defense was silent during the strike (GBU-39 does not use GPS. And you can’t shoot it down, it is not visible even with C radars -300 and S-400), and opened fire when Israeli planes were already at their airfields, it became clear who was lying.
    By the way, the first who drew attention to inconsistencies in the report of the Russian Ministry of Defense was the former Russian Air Force Colonel Alksnis ..
    1. +2
      2 October 2018 21: 46
      Quote: alta
      opened fire when Israeli planes were already at their airfields, it became clear who was lying.

      And at a briefing of the Russian Defense Ministry, flight patterns and aircraft positions were presented at the time of the defeat of the Syrian 20В5 IL-28M missile ... And I can’t recall something from the official presconference of the Israeli Air Force Commander ...
      And you sing from a strange voice Hel Haavir ... without even bothering yourself with pictures of the relative positions of the aircraft and the SAM ...
      Well, and who to believe after that !?
  24. -7
    2 October 2018 15: 44
    I can imagine how they bite their elbows in the RF Ministry of Defense, that the media so quickly broke through information that the Syrian was shot down by the IL. It would be elementary to say that it was the Israelis who personally shot down the IL. And the examination of the wreckage would be and all that jazz. Was it for nothing that the Russian military police arrested everyone there? To this day, no one has come out. This is not to blurt out something else. It is impossible, after all, to admit publicly that the crooked "partners" have done complete garbage.
    Il-20 shot down by a missile with a C-200 Syrian air defense. But in the Russian Ministry of Defense this immutable fact, acknowledged by him himself, is ignored with such persistence that it makes one assume that the plane was not shot down by Syrians. For all the time they have not heard a single reproach from Moscow, even complaining about the lack of professionalism or an annoying mistake. Poor Bashar Khafizovich did not sleep for three days and three nights, everything listened for the sound of the tramp of Russian paratroopers on the carpet of the palace corridors. Then, cautiously, three days later, expressed condolences. Although, as it turned out, he was in vain. Russia awards Assad for the Russian aircraft shot down by him with the delivery of the C-300 air defense system. Well, that should have been waiting.
    I'm sorry for the Russian operators. On the S-300 transferred to Syria, they are going to be held virtually hostage. A kind of "human shield" in the vain hope that Israel will not dare to take serious action. Vain chores. If the S-300 will interfere with the Israelis, they will simply sweep them away. Alas ... the S-300 are seeds for the Israelis. They had been preparing for a confrontation with such air defense systems for twenty years. Israel simply observes the rules of good manners and does not show the whole world that the S-300 cannot do anything against the IDF Air Force.
    Although, I think that everything will be easier. The Israelis will call and publicly say that in 40 (forty!) C-300 will be covered in minutes. I really hope that this time will be enough for the Russian command to take its people out of the blow.
    And if this was only a theoretical argument, I know one personal motive that will motivate the Jewish Air Force to prove a potential opportunity in practice and with all its crushing, even indicative, convincingness.
    This is the Air Force commander Amikam Norkin. He will not forget his trip to Moscow. Honored combat pilot, confident in the rightness of their children, the general probably went on this voyage with a heavy heart. Only the order of the prime minister and the state's need to settle an undesirable incident forced him to sacrifice his pride and fly to the Russian capital with redundant, in general, explanations - in fact, apologies.
    And he was declared a liar there.
    I don’t know who is Shoigu’s advisor on Israeli affairs, but he made a big psychological mistake. In the Israeli army, as in any other, a lot of mess. Not everyone is doing everything right, often making mistakes, doing stupid things and hard offenses. Everything is forgiven, except for one thing: lying is impossible. Lying is the most shameful thing for an Israeli officer. In the Air Force - the elite not only of the army, but also of society - this is at the level of instinct.
    The stigma of a liar who was awarded to the General of the Air Force Norkin in Moscow is an insult which I am sure will not be able to demolish. Duels have long been canceled. Now it’s a matter of honor for him to pay off the offenders with the weapons he has. And he has.
    C-300, if they really end up in Syria, in a bad position. They have a personal enemy in Israel who will be assigned to deal with them according to their positions.
    hi
    1. +3
      2 October 2018 18: 52
      You are the master of propaganda :) You should write about Boeing on channel XNUMX :)
    2. -3
      2 October 2018 20: 49
      But Israel will no longer create problems for the Russian and Syrian forces.
    3. 0
      2 October 2018 22: 27
      Quote: A. Privalov
      The Israelis will call and publicly say that in 40 (forty!) Minutes C-300 will be covered.

      Mr. Privalov! Azar fullness (expression of Peter I). It seems reasonable people., And write an unforgivable stupidity. Who in their right mind will announce to Russian representatives an attack on them in 40 minutes !? Or do you think that this will not be an act of aggression, entailing a bellie incident?
      And, in your opinion, just like that, easily and simply, Israel will announce military operations against the Russian contingent in the SAR? - You obviously got excited !!!
      Second. As for the personal vindetta of Mr. Norkin. (He will not sit at the helm of Suf and will not fly to deal with the calculation of C-300!) I believe that a minimum of the IDF chief, and maybe Bibi himself, must be authorized to conduct any air operation against Russian air defense systems.
      Thirdly. Do you know exactly what improvements have been made at the Favorite missiles recently? And if they now also have the 3's channel GOS added to the command system !? (As an option - IR / UV, radar with a random change of frequency, and passive radar ...) And of course, no one excludes the possibility of pointing missiles according to A-50Y. (And why not?) And it’s bigger than F-16 overloads ...
      So, you should not consider yourself holier than the Pope.
      1. LMN
        +2
        3 October 2018 20: 21
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: A. Privalov
        The Israelis will call and publicly say that in 40 (forty!) Minutes C-300 will be covered.

        Mr. Privalov! Azar fullness (expression of Peter I). It seems reasonable people., And write an unforgivable stupidity. Who in their right mind will announce to Russian representatives an attack on them in 40 minutes !? Or do you think that this will not be an act of aggression, entailing a bellie incident?
        And, in your opinion, just like that, easily and simply, Israel will announce military operations against the Russian contingent in the SAR? - You obviously got excited !!!
        Second. As for the personal vindetta of Mr. Norkin. (He will not sit at the helm of Suf and will not fly to deal with the calculation of C-300!) I believe that a minimum of the IDF chief, and maybe Bibi himself, must be authorized to conduct any air operation against Russian air defense systems.
        Thirdly. Do you know exactly what improvements have been made at the Favorite missiles recently? And if they now also have the 3's channel GOS added to the command system !? (As an option - IR / UV, radar with a random change of frequency, and passive radar ...) And of course, no one excludes the possibility of pointing missiles according to A-50Y. (And why not?) And it’s bigger than F-16 overloads ...
        So, you should not consider yourself holier than the Pope.

        Thirdly. Do you know exactly what improvements have been made at the Favorite missiles recently?

        I would add more. MO RF of. Did not specify what and in what volumes sent to Syria. Yes "S-300" and electronic warfare equipment .. Everything is so "streamlined" ... how can you plan something, if, for example, it is not known which missiles the S-300 are equipped with? 48N6 or 48N6E2? 50 km is a rather serious difference ..
  25. -2
    2 October 2018 16: 03
    The author refers to the name of the scandalous Israeli journalist Levy, And what do Russian journalists write.
    ,, ... sending the S-300 air defense systems to the SAR is a very big geopolitical and strategic mistake of the Kremlin, which will not only harm its influence in the region and on the international arena, but also increase the already serious reputation losses of the Russian military-industrial complex., ,
    The deployment of the S-300 air defense system in the coming days may become a serious problem not only for the IDF air force, but for Russia itself: the destruction by the Israeli air force of the Syrian S-300 installations or the continued destruction of Iranian warehouses and bases will cast doubt on the reliability of the S-300 of their potential buyers .
    1. -3
      2 October 2018 16: 31
      Israel will give the Aerospace Forces targeting of Iranian objects - and the Aerospace Forces will bomb them ... something like that. Well, so as not to converge with the Israeli Air Force C300. And then the unreal plonter develops. Israel will love to destroy Iranian facilities in Syria, especially after the "tests" of Iranian ballistic missiles launched at 850 km with a 750 kg warhead.
      1. -4
        2 October 2018 16: 45
        No, what are you, the infantry will be offended (Hezbola’s losses must be paid for with something, nothing just happens). Read Damantsev, he has his own plan, wants to arrange an analogue of Moscow air defense in Syria, well, he has good. I wonder why not in Rostov and Yekaterinburg. good
      2. -1
        2 October 2018 19: 11
        Well, stop playing computer shooter games for you! You are not degrading childishly. Well, what is the army of Israel? Engaged in assembling models on the bookcase sticks? Read the ttk of this plastic trash? Everyone in the world knows about the superiority of the intellect of the Russian warrior over the militarized individuals of other states))) the ingenuity is called)))
      3. 0
        2 October 2018 22: 20
        Quote: brigadir
        Israel will give the Aerospace Forces targeting of Iranian objects - and the Aerospace Forces will bomb them ... something like that. Well, so as not to converge with the Israeli Air Force C300. And then the unreal plonter develops. Israel will love to destroy Iranian facilities in Syria, especially after the "tests" of Iranian ballistic missiles launched at 850 km with a 750 kg warhead.

        Not well, I guessed that you were a storyteller, but you also turned out to be a clown. Yes, you have talent, didn’t you try to amuse people in the circus? Eat another author, laugh. wassat
  26. +2
    2 October 2018 16: 26
    1. The round-the-clock duty of radar reconnaissance aircraft is not taken into account.
    2. Airborne reconnaissance aircraft found along the border with Egypt near the city of Rafah.
    3. The S-300 complex works perfectly on ground targets and from defense you can go on the offensive, exchange blows.
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      1. +2
        2 October 2018 18: 54
        Oh, how nice, they sent you new manuals? Cedmie did not say a single word wrong. Alas, your propaganda is late.
      2. +2
        2 October 2018 20: 51
        Moreover, Kedmi - your hatched zaplanitel.
  28. -2
    2 October 2018 17: 41
    As usual, if only yes. You see the author by the title without reading the article. wink
  29. +1
    2 October 2018 18: 10
    4, and maybe more of the division, plus air defense separation - this is good, but I'm not sure about the Arabs. Well, they are not warriors. Merchants, artisans, ... camel drivers laughing For example, yes. I doubt their professionalism and moral-volitional qualities. No matter how our S-300 throws in a panic
  30. 0
    2 October 2018 18: 30
    Why bazaar? It’s time, already, to beat the face!
  31. +1
    2 October 2018 18: 59
    What to litter? Israel is not a state state to negotiate with it. They killed, exposed the Syrian air defenses, our military, they must answer a hundredfold !!! That's when the Israeli army bury 1 of its soldiers from the weapons of the Russian Federation, I will be satisfied!
  32. +2
    2 October 2018 20: 38
    [/ quote] acoustic portraits of a working antenna post [quote]

    From this place in more detail, pzhlst. For it is not clear to me how to realize the reception of an acoustic signal from an antenna post on a rocket flying at high speed.
    1. 0
      2 October 2018 20: 52
      With the help of flying saucers, probably.
      1. 0
        2 October 2018 21: 29
        Not otherwise. Something Damantsev completely turned into storytellers. Or is he so thinly trolling readers?
        1. -1
          2 October 2018 22: 34
          But essentially, in addition to the minus, is there anything to say about the new acoustic method of guiding missiles at the antenna post, invented by the author of the article?
  33. 0
    2 October 2018 21: 00
    6 goals for each PFAR radar 30Н6Е2

    ERROR (!)
    30Н6Е2 radar has 36 control channels on 1 Radar - and all the conclusions and the article Damantseva crumbles (!)
  34. +1
    2 October 2018 21: 09
    Evgeny Damantsev writes:
    Conclusion: the main goal in building an updated Syrian air defense system should be

    After reading the article, I realized that the main goal of delivering our S-300 systems to Syria should be, first of all, the possibility of striking at ground targets in Israel if the Israelis want to strike at our calculations. There is such an opportunity. So the Israelis need to be warned about this so that they have no illusions about the possible consequences for their capital.
    The personnel of the C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems carried out the deployment of launchers, worked out electronic missile launches against ground targets simulating the enemy’s armored vehicles in one of the Khabarovsk Territory regions.

    https://topwar.ru/116903-v-habarovskom-krae-s-300-primenili-protiv-nazemnyh-celey-uslovnogo-protivnika.html
    1. +1
      2 October 2018 23: 45
      Yes, of course, there is such a possibility, but ground targets were probably within the "line of sight". But what about targets beyond the radio horizon or beyond the folds of the terrain?
      1. 0
        3 October 2018 11: 12
        Quote: Alexey Vasilievich I
        0
        Yes, of course, there is such a possibility, but ground targets were probably within the "line of sight".

        Not necessarily - flight programming in certain areas, using navigation has long been used in cruise missiles.
      2. 0
        3 October 2018 22: 43
        And what about the goals for the radio horizon or for the folds of the terrain?

        ELEMENTARY (!)
        SAM is located at the foot of the hill, and on the hill itself with a height of 50 meters - we place a low-altitude detector on the tower 38 meters
        Move the radio horizon to 120-160 km.
  35. +1
    3 October 2018 00: 51
    I don’t understand anything:
    Why it is impossible to carry out attacks on all these nishtyaks directly on the territory of cunningly planed ones!?
    Of course, of course, exclusively by the forces of the SAA, because they are already at war with the God-chosen!
    Insolence gradually disappears only in the case of weighty hits on one's own impudent face, and not in the case when the opponent is exclusively defending ...
    Otherwise, there is only interest in new types of impact ..
    1. 0
      3 October 2018 23: 56
      I am not surprised that you do not understand. By the way, I already wrote this many times, but not to you.
      If the goal is to destroy ALL air defense of Syria, then this will be done. Means for this sea. The fact that it will be more difficult to launch bombs does not mean that it will be impossible. You can launch drones, you can make a massive attack when there are simply not enough existing assets. And you can do it much easier. At the right moment, the barmalei will fire at positions from mortars, artillery, and then blow up something. You can’t put a security division for each complex and within a radius of several kilometers you can’t clean everything up and put up surveillance.

      And about that on whose territory it is possible and on whose it is impossible - but can someone come and write on the floor or shit at your place? You obviously will not mind.
    2. +1
      4 October 2018 03: 50
      Why it is impossible to carry out attacks on all these nishtyaks directly on the territory of cunningly planed !?

      Well - how would you explain softer ... bully For "blows" angry we need, according to the statutory documents, "appropriate forces and means." And yet - strikes should be "allowed by the strategic and operational situation. Something like this ... hi
  36. 0
    3 October 2018 12: 58
    I do not think that the Jews will destroy the Syrian C300 without some kind of serialized need. They perfectly understand that there are Russian advisers and soldiers, and if the Russians calmly get carte blanche to shoot everything they have at Israeli fighters (litter, the Syrians were shot down, not us), but Israel doesn’t need to.

    They will simply reconsider their strategy and will rarely bomb the Syrians.
    1. +1
      3 October 2018 23: 42
      If everything was so simple, then I would agree with you. But unfortunately it is full of nuances.
      In any case, there will be provocations. Remember the shelling of the Gollans when the Syrians fired at them. Was it a provocation or what? Such a provocation can be done easily and it can be done by either side and there are more than 5. There Israel will be forced to attack one way or another. That is the whole problem, as here there is no military solution. Only political. Somewhere you may have to smack, somewhere to be patient.
      After all, if you do not give in to the spirit, take revenge, you need to shoot half of Syria. Indeed, yesterday’s moderate oppositionists were active and fought against Syria, us and our interests. Today they are on our side and at least do not interfere, which is already a plus.
  37. 0
    3 October 2018 13: 15
    In order to get the result, you need to fight not with the consequences, but with the cause. A radical decision - and absolutely adequate - Syrian planes and or missiles strike at enemy airfields - and the fact of an undeclared war on the face.
    Then no new strategy will help. So what an ally needs - if Assad is really being held for the "ally" and the appropriate weapons should be fitted, if we ourselves are weakly interceding for the "ally".
    1. +1
      3 October 2018 23: 36
      Once again I ask - how many of our people should die for the "ally"? Why is this ally, an ally, not only to us and by allies, substitutes us? Why should all issues be resolved at our expense?
  38. -1
    3 October 2018 22: 22
    Israel today, aggressive and vile, does not want to get along with its neighbors hoping for US help. Soon the freebie will end from the USA. And Iran is no longer what it was, it already has its missile systems for hitting targets over long distances, there is a missile defense system from S-300.
  39. -3
    3 October 2018 23: 08
    Quote: MKPU-115
    Does Israel want to repeat Hitler’s fate?

    No, he just doesn’t want to.
    He wants to win. And this time it seems to him that, unlike Hitler, everything will turn out as it should.
  40. 0
    3 October 2018 23: 25
    Quote: Cannonball
    but for the sake of destroying Israeli dubiousness, stupidity, greed and aggressiveness.

    This is a one-sided look. Look at Ukraine. For several years, the country has turned into what, both in terms of ideology and in terms of regime and in terms of law. And now there are many who are sure that they are defending their interests. Similarly, Israel, even if it is not right, not for several years but for decades, it is used to defend its interests and itself.
  41. -1
    3 October 2018 23: 34
    Very interesting article and analysis.
    I hope all this remains only on paper. It seems to me that in the Middle East it is necessary to subjugate everyone not by force. It must be demonstrated, but act more economically, politically, and so on.
    It seems to me now the last chance to regain their positions there.
    One way or another, Iran is rising, it has every chance of getting a powerful and modernly equipped army, and has an independent policy. Some countries have been demonstrating this for a long time and are also arming themselves and clogging up any disobedience in US-controlled countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan. After a certain number of years there will simply be nothing to do there without a bridgehead and allies.
    In recent years there has been a clear and tough demonstration of what can be done with the right ideology, backed by arms and support. IG appeared (banned in Russia). Next time, what will appear and what funds will it have? Mobile plants for the production of UAVs from ..omna and branches attacking dozens if not hundreds? What countries and governments will then support and hinder the resolution of the issue?
    Where will Turkey rush once again, how will Iran behave, what are the shaitans for them? Will there be a war over water?
    Somehow, against this background, Israel’s activity is not just clear, but somehow I don’t even know how to act?
  42. -1
    3 October 2018 23: 56
    I don’t understand why the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation should protect the goods already sold to the client? Let him enjoy his health, if anything else we sell.
    1. 0
      4 October 2018 00: 18
      This is not a question of money and trade. This is a matter of compliance.
  43. +1
    4 October 2018 02: 53
    most of the airspace of the Syrian Arab Republic (from low altitudes to the upper stratosphere) will really turn into a deadly no-fly zone for enemy aircraft (the US Air Force, Israel, France and the United Kingdom), of which 4 or more anti-aircraft missile systems will play a primary role in the formation S-300PMU-2 divisions, if based on the data of the Kommersant newspaper.

    Ага. laughing "Hold me seven!" "Kommersant" generally wrote about 4 shelves (!!) by the way. fellow Only ... In reality, only one battery (4 launchers). tongue
  44. -1
    4 October 2018 03: 20
    In my opinion, the Russians will have a minority on this portal, it’s time to write us in the red book. And all because of the Jewish policy of the administration of the portal. When the Israelis pour water on Russia, it is nothing for them; when you give the answer, then anti-Semitism is obtained and after that ban. Administrators, you yourself are not disgusted with this, you, along with the circumcised ones, mock our dead guys. Rename yourselves already in the Jewish review, and do not mislead new users. This is not a Russian portal, but a portal against Russia, where you allow you to taunt the dead in the entire army of the Russian Federation. It's a shame, for the sake of the number of users, you went so low. Money from advertising is everything for you. And where is your honor. Fill you with your muzzles, but I don’t want to dirty your hands. You can ban, than once again prove that what I wrote is true
    1. +3
      4 October 2018 16: 24
      That is, a dozen of our colleagues from Israel who appear from time to time in topics does this mean their majority?
      Read your post, there are a lot of insults and rudeness against Israel and its citizens. That circumcised is still some.
      As far as I see and read articles, all are written against our victims and for the troops of Russia.
      YOU just want everything to be according to your rules. That you could threaten, swear to be rude and not receive anything in return. This is very masculine of you. You have filled your faces with your posts and so, because people see them and it seems to them that the representatives of Russia are all such .. morons.
  45. -1
    4 October 2018 06: 36
    As always, a lot of letters, but you can laugh. And the whole article can be put into one sentence: "Sikorsky + Delilah". And that's all - collect the radar calculations with spoons in the catcher. Bezpontovo, for that it is safe and cheap.
  46. 0
    4 October 2018 08: 08
    You can arrange missiles with the required distance ... It's just that the military is used to working according to a pattern, as taught in academies. But Israel and the United States will find solutions that will overcome them. For example, the simultaneous launch of empty blanks, which will be spent on air defense ammunition. The use of drones and more
  47. -2
    5 October 2018 01: 04
    Here I read VO and see how many comments under the article, for example, "civil feat of a Soviet officer" and about 65 comments. Or even an article about Donbass as many as 98 comments. But who cares? If the article is with the word "Israel", the battle trolls are right there. An interesting and strange picture emerges, the terrible superpower Israel simply interferes with normal anti-Semites. Our dear ones who are concerned about the "Israeli military", may you dream of Mossad clones conjuring behind your back in your nightmares. Soon you will surpass the Iranian Ayatollahs, ask them how the Mossad conjured up and stole rain clouds from Iran. Beware, there are only Jews around. smile laughing
  48. 0
    7 October 2018 14: 27
    Do S-300 complexes take into account the curvature of the Earth? If so, then I am calm, the Syrian sky is "locked." And if not?
  49. 0
    27 October 2018 02: 27
    Man laid out on shelves
    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5717644
  50. 0
    28 October 2018 19: 21
    No, you won't. Because the soft-bodied drones attack with a squadron under the control of Poseidon, there is no response. Israel destroyed the carapace in Syria just because it might have repelled their attacks .... "maybe" ...
  51. 0
    29 December 2018 14: 46
    After looking through most of the comments, I wanted to immediately ask for forgiveness from the Russian people. Russians, forgive us Jews, but we have been living in this world without your permission for 5778 years. Russians, forgive us Jews, but without your consent, for 70 years now we have been turning your billions in the form of tanks, planes and guns, donated by you to the fraternal Arab countries, into scrap metal. Russians, forgive us Jews, but without asking your permission for 70 years, on the deserted land of the Middle East, given to us by God, where there is no oil or gas, we have built a developed state with one of the strongest technologies, the best medicine, beautiful cities and a very strong Army. Russians forgive our example of Minister Bibi Netanyahu for wanting to offer you friendship. But you prefer a multi-billion Arab population to a few million educated Jewish population. This is our Bibi, a comrade who doesn’t quite understand who he’s dealing with. Many of you propose to immediately shoot down our planes with your formidable weapons. It is truly formidable, and the whole world has recently seen it, please accept my condolences. Some propose to immediately begin military action against us, forgetting that for 25 years Russia has not developed or modernized its electronics, and we have been pushing it forward for 25 years. This is probably why Israel launched a massive burgundy strike a few days ago. Sorry for that too. Some of you are trying in an insulting tone to make us account for the fact that we are on the Golan Heights. Did you know that a simple artillery battery installed on the Golan can destroy our Haifa, Acre, Karmiel and dozens of other cities in our north. We'd probably better wait. Let's learn from you, I think that you are not eager to return Vyborg to Finland, Kaliningrad to Germany, Siberia to the peoples of the north, the Kuril Islands to Japan. Dear Russians, forgive me, please start with yourself, then you can demand it from us.