The secret role of the French Navy Auvergne frigate in operations in Syria. So who did he attack?

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The French Ministry of Defense has published a report on the progress of the so-called Operation Shammal (Chammal) in Syria and Iraq. The publication appeared against the background of a French public question about the role of the French Navy frigate Auvergne off the coast of Syria at the time of the tragedy with the Russian Il-20 aircraft. We are talking about a multi-purpose frigate, designed not only for anti-submarine defense and air defense, but also for striking land targets.

The secret role of the French Navy Auvergne frigate in operations in Syria. So who did he attack?




Questions from French specialists to the Navy of the Republic appeared due to the fact that in the press there were allegations that from the board of the frigate Auvergne rocket attacks on “Iranian objects in Syria” were launched. The generalized question to the command of the French naval forces sounds like this: President Macron states that he, unlike the United States, is in favor of continuing cooperation with Tehran, for preserving the nuclear agreement, but how can one understand the attack on Iranian targets in this case? Syria, if it were really strikes on Iranian military facilities?

Instead of specific explanations of what Auvergne after all, did off the coast of Syria and, if struck, from whom he received the order, in the French military department presented the statistics of their participation in the operation mentioned above Chammal.

Here are the data from the Ministry of the Armed Forces of France:
During the operation, 2014 trained thousands of troops in Iraq with French instructors since 9,5. The French Air Force carried out 8477 sorties, striking 1457. 1911 artillery strikes struck against terrorist targets on the ground. Destroyed 2249 targets. Freed from LIH (* banned in the Russian Federation) 99% of territories previously occupied by militants. Currently, 1 air base is used to continue the operation, another base is planned for use. The operation involved 10 aircraft Rafale, 1 naval patrol ship, 1 frigate in the eastern Mediterranean (the Auvergne, - approx. "VO"), three 155-mm self-propelled artillery mounts CAESAR, 1,1 ths. Military.

В text description the operations of the French troops from September 2014, there is not a single note that the French troops struck at Iranian facilities in Syria or Hezbollah. At the same time, there are reports of participation in the "liberation of Raqqa" (proof of the involvement of the French Air Force in carpet bombing), of an attack in the SAR for "the complete destruction of ISIS *".

Assuming that Auvergne struck not at Iranian facilities, but at ISIS militants in Idlib province, then in that case how does this fit in with the statements of Paris about supporting the agreements between Moscow and Ankara, aimed at rejecting the CAA from the Idlib operation? After all, Macron himself declared that it was impossible to attack Idlib, since the civilian population would suffer. And surely none of the civilians will suffer rocket attacks from a French frigate?
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  1. +8
    26 September 2018 10: 33
    Shooting was carried out by fighting frogs, which are not visible on the radar screens and they subsequently jump to their destination and poison the militants with poison
    1. +1
      26 September 2018 10: 41
      What did he do?
      I ran into.
      1. -1
        27 September 2018 18: 38
        Israeli propagandists are causing fog for everyone, (here the French) to blot out their crimes with the IL-20 .. It’s not uncommon that VO picks up such stuffing, as if working together with Israeli propagandists ... And there are no authors for such stuffing, anonymously .. .
        1. +1
          27 September 2018 22: 06
          Perhaps the authors already know in advance that people like you will come and the nonsense and conspiracy theories will begin.
          You will now write about any incident in Syria that this is an attempt to blur the case on the IL-20? What are Israeli propagandists, why are you lying? EVERYTHING was known about the frigate and was reported on the very first day. And ours including.
          That is, in your opinion, you can’t talk about him? Can I immediately list all that can not be said? Just suddenly, the authors of VO are not in the know.
    2. +1
      26 September 2018 11: 24
      "yellow helmets" (a feeder from the French) will soon broadcast about the epidemic - Assad is to blame

      and our mid is rather weak for ultimatoms
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      2. -7
        26 September 2018 15: 41
        Quote: antivirus
        and our mid is rather weak for ultimatoms

        But this is not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ..... "removes" ... and even in 3D ... looked ... burned out of shame feel
        At 0.30 ...... to the northwest of AB Khmeimim, they have ... "positioned" also .. some kind of AB or Airport ... Latakia belay
        Well, the cape ... on which the city is located ... turned 180 g ... and the port from the north .. moved to the south ....

        Now everything is clear .... why ours were looking for ... "the north of Syria, which will be bombed by the Israelis" and could not "find" until it fell on their heads from the sky ... just in the "North-West of AB Khmeimim".
        1. +4
          26 September 2018 15: 56
          At 0.30 ...... to the northwest of AB Khmeimim, they have ... "positioned" also .. some kind of AB or Airport ... Latakia
          That's right, adjacent to the civilian airport. fool
          The coast of Syria is considered the west of Syria. What's wrong again fool
          1. -1
            26 September 2018 16: 49
            Quote: flicker
            That's right, adjacent to the civilian airport.

            And the satellite image is weak to show ..... "everyone can have a bad head with a smiley" wassat

            Finger ... show wassat
            1. -4
              26 September 2018 18: 10
              Quote: Random
              Finger ... show

              So ...... faintly show the place of Latakia airdrome with your finger, as in a 3D cartoon ..... wassat
              right ... better fellow and into the bushes .. "kshgda for ... bazaar" they ask wink
              What ... not ..... t an airdrome? bully
              That's the way you have it everywhere .... one lie ..... golem am
              PS A "smiley" stick in and even "minuses" to throw .... that's your whole method ... "okryamsikov" ......wassat
          2. LMN
            +3
            26 September 2018 20: 32
            Quote: flicker
            At 0.30 ...... to the northwest of AB Khmeimim, they have ... "positioned" also .. some kind of AB or Airport ... Latakia
            That's right, adjacent to the civilian airport. fool
            The coast of Syria is considered the west of Syria. What's wrong again fool

            What's wrong again

            The man revealed the plot. In man, the idea is fixed.
            It happens.. lol
            1. -2
              26 September 2018 23: 16
              Quote: LMN
              .A person, the idea is fixed.
              It happens..

              What ..... you're drowning ... "uryakalki-okryamsiki" wassat .... you can’t argue against the facts ... if only you push your horn fool
              1. +2
                27 September 2018 12: 56
                The problem is not in the facts, but in your head. I understand that it sounds insulting, but you have a mental disorder, I hope temporary. Today, tons of emoticons and each is extremely appropriate, thought out, necessary and does not express hysteria at all. And tomorrow, dressing up in women's clothing, playing with dolls and more. For a change, look at your posts, how thought, presentation is confused there. You do not even pay attention to the fact that they are trying to ignore you, so as not to stir up psychosis. So why be surprised if you are unpleasant to someone?
      3. 0
        27 September 2018 12: 51
        Quote: antivirus
        and our mid is rather weak for ultimatoms

        So you need to replace it with you, you are already definitely better than any Foreign Ministry. We will give you the help of Napoleon and Bonaparte.
        1. 0
          27 September 2018 13: 30
          both at once or one at a time? lol
          1. 0
            27 September 2018 14: 42
            I'd rather Napoleon, without Buonaparte, commanded
    3. 0
      27 September 2018 09: 19
      Newbie?)
  2. -40
    26 September 2018 10: 40
    all conspired against the Vova! even the Syrian squadrons
  3. +6
    26 September 2018 10: 50
    Macaroni Macron is entangled in a lie. The fact that he is weaving in the wake of US policy is clear, but regarding France’s participation in hostilities in Syria, it is too dark. negative
    1. +12
      26 September 2018 11: 29
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Macaroni Macron is confused

      Paddling pool. The French called Frogs
    2. +1
      26 September 2018 12: 00
      Quote: bessmertniy
      regarding the participation of France in hostilities in Syria, it is too dark.

      It may be dark, but the French media did a "good job": advertising the engine - I talked with two characters, both of them are sincerely convinced that Rafale fly there constantly and drop 6 guided bombs per flight. On my suggestion to calculate the ammunition consumption and the result offhand, they made big eyes
    3. +1
      26 September 2018 12: 56
      And the pasta is Italian
  4. +8
    26 September 2018 10: 50
    Once they hide it, it means that either the deals were unprincipled even from the point of view of the western inhabitants, or the results of the blows turned out to be ridiculous or ineffective, or short-sighted, or so on ... Otherwise, the French would not have missed the chance to trumpet another victory ...
  5. +26
    26 September 2018 10: 52
    The frigate was mentioned in the first message of the Ministry of Defense, and then "disappeared" from the messages.
    The message of the official Syrian agency SANA about the "first military
    application of the S-400 system ".
    How would a C-400 shoot cruise missiles from a frigate? But the French categorically deny any missile launches.
    We have yet to learn a lot of interesting things ...
    1. +3
      26 September 2018 10: 58
      Quote: voyaka uh
      We have yet to learn a lot of interesting things ...

      I would say - there are too many interesting things, different "facts" will sound from each iron, for every taste! laughing
    2. +5
      26 September 2018 10: 59
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The frigate was mentioned in the first message of the Ministry of Defense, and then "disappeared" from the messages.
      The message of the official Syrian agency SANA about the "first military
      application of the S-400 system ".
      How would a C-400 shoot cruise missiles from a frigate? But the French categorically deny any missile launches.
      We have yet to learn a lot of interesting things ...

      It can be seen that our MO does not want to aggravate. As they say - do not multiply entities unnecessarily. And about the fact that the S-400 worked on missiles from the frigate - an interesting version
    3. +5
      26 September 2018 11: 38
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The frigate was mentioned in the first message of the Ministry of Defense, and then "disappeared" from the messages.
      The message of the official Syrian agency SANA about the "first military
      application of the S-400 system ".
      How would a C-400 shoot cruise missiles from a frigate? But the French categorically deny any missile launches.
      We have yet to learn a lot of interesting things ...

      It was true that the Israelis and the coalition specifically wanted to kill Assad, but they didn’t give ours, and in spite of that they set up IL, French missiles and S-400 fit in and silence from all sides ...... It wouldn’t have been IL they wouldn’t know anything.
    4. +7
      26 September 2018 12: 20
      Ah, Alexey, you say it right. I would just shift the emphasis: we still have NOT much to learn. Yes
    5. +3
      26 September 2018 15: 19
      perhaps - il20 is only the tip
      and the basis is the confrontation between the Russian Federation and NATO.
      comparison of weapons and tactics. grinding-intimidation-verification of the entire complex of the Navy_VKS_Repedist troops_REB.
      maybe the Jews are just switchmen.
      fight for idlib
      and interference with Cyprus (base shaving)
      no one will say how Erdogan crushes his military conspirators, who helps him, interferes with him.
      how those military put pressure on all ISIS in Idlib, who lets whom
      what oil and gas pipelines have earned Syria
      etc
      1. 0
        27 September 2018 13: 00
        But these thoughts are interesting.
    6. +4
      26 September 2018 23: 15
      Quote: voyaka uh
      the message of the official Syrian agency SANA about "the first combat use of the S-400 system" also disappeared.
      How would a C-400 shoot cruise missiles from a frigate? But the French categorically deny any missile launches.
      We have yet to learn a lot of interesting things ...

      My thoughts and assumptions about this.
      1. There was infa that C-400 tried to intercept 5В28 released from C-200В, according to Il-20. But she did not catch up and was eliminated on command from the ground.
      2. The French disowned launches of the Kyrgyz Republic. What the Container and C-400 recorded, they do not communicate to us for well-known reasons.
      3. The paddlers acted in conjunction with the God-exiled according to a single plan. The task was to remove the performance characteristics from the C-400, forcing him to combat use. The RTR complex on the frigate worked to its fullest. Provocation, if a missile was launched with C-400, failed.
      4. We won't learn anything "interesting" anymore, because the political decision to deploy the S-300V in Syria has already been made. Now it's up to the Syrians: not to miss the sudden blow on the new "tsatzka".
      IMHO.
  6. -3
    26 September 2018 11: 03
    Yesterday, the following version appeared on the network:
    Investigation of the "Century": the death of IL-20, the French trace

    "... according to the RF Ministry of Defense, at the time of the disappearance of the Il-20 mark from the radar screens from the French frigate, missile launches were recorded. As you know, these frigates are equipped not only with SCALP cruise missiles, designed to destroy ground and surface targets, but also have powerful air defense systems. In other words, the missile that hit the Il-20 could have been of French origin. "

    "If this version is correct, then the crash of the Russian reconnaissance aircraft was the result of the escalation of the confrontation between the Russian Mediterranean squadron and the French Navy."

    "... Israel and France coordinated an attack on targets in Syria, with the full knowledge of the United States and, most likely, with the active assistance of the American satellite constellation, in order to provoke Russia to retaliate against a French frigate or Israeli fighters. It looks like a route. The Russian reconnaissance officer was tracked using the triangulation method, and it could have been shot down by a missile from a French frigate. The Il-20 disappeared from the radar screens immediately after the missile launch from Auvergne. "

    Source: https://wek.ru/rassledovanie-veka-gibel-il-20-francuzskij-sled
    1. +1
      26 September 2018 11: 30
      Well, it seems that everyone agreed that it was the S-200 missile that shot it down, so this is a fact, the rest of the USSR (rumors, sensations, scandals, investigations).
    2. +3
      26 September 2018 11: 32
      Quote: iaroslav.mudryi
      the route of the Russian intelligence was tracked by the triangulation method

      And for what? Religion prohibits radar from one source?
    3. +2
      26 September 2018 12: 24
      When lifting the wreckage of the IL, it will be clear whose rocket was shot down and how. Damaging elements will remain for any and nature damage.
    4. -5
      26 September 2018 12: 28
      Well, why bother with such nonsense then? Il lies at the bottom, the depths allow you to get debris! According to the damage done, the type of rocket is easily established. Although physically, the kosher Shoigu and Konashenkov showed a full alignment both until the moment of notification and until the moment of the downfall of Illushin. The fact that Konashenkov began to babble at his nth preconference, really does not agree with what everyone who was in that zone had on the day of the shooting.
      P, S. In reality, the Moscow Region is trying to erase some important issue for its competence. Although it is also put it mildly.
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  7. +12
    26 September 2018 11: 05
    Destroyed 2249 targets. Freed from LIH (* banned in the Russian Federation) 99% of territories previously occupied by militants.
    The froglers won everybody again? As I understand it, now every louse will shout about its victory over the terrorists in Syria, especially if during the hostilities this louse supported, armed and treated the terrorists.
    1. +7
      26 September 2018 11: 40
      Unfortunately so. There will be many adherents to victory. However, nothing new, half the world believes that Hitler was defeated by private Ryan at the head of the American army.
      1. +5
        26 September 2018 12: 51
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        As I understand it, now every louse will scream about its victory over terrorists in Syria

        eh, Wan ...! victory has many "fathers", and defeat is always an "orphan" ... drinks
  8. -4
    26 September 2018 11: 06
    The textual description of the operations of the French troops since September 2014 does not contain a single note that the French troops attacked Iranian targets in Syria or Hezbollah.


    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2018/09/18/11972653.shtml
    The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that during the disappearance of the Russian Il-20 aircraft over the Mediterranean Sea, a missile launch from the French frigate was recorded.

    Who is lying?
    1. +5
      26 September 2018 11: 11
      Quote: professor
      Who is lying?

      An interesting question that does not take into account at all what is said in the two above messages. Where does the RF Ministry of Defense report that the French missile launch was carried out on the Iranians or Hezbollah?
      1. -5
        26 September 2018 11: 46
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: professor
        Who is lying?

        An interesting question that does not take into account at all what is said in the two above messages. Where does the RF Ministry of Defense report that the French missile launch was carried out on the Iranians or Hezbollah?

        At that unfortunate time, only Syria's "industrial facilities" were attacked and not ISIS. So your MO reported. Then satellite images of the attacked objects appeared, but your Defense Ministry suddenly forgot about the alleged French strike. So were the French CDs or not. Where is the truth?
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        2. +1
          26 September 2018 14: 56
          Quote: professor
          but your MO suddenly forgot about the alleged French strike. So were the French KR or not. Where is the truth?

          And in the elderberry garden.
          And in Kiev, uncle.
          What do you mean?
      2. -1
        26 September 2018 14: 07
        Quote: Volodin
        Where does the RF Ministry of Defense report that the French missile launched against the Iranians or Hezbollah?


        Indeed, a bunch of our media reported with reference to the MO. Including TASS and Zvezda. Who's lying is a question ...
    2. 0
      26 September 2018 11: 36
      Israel is lying, as always.
    3. +2
      26 September 2018 11: 45
      Quote: professor
      The textual description of the operations of the French troops since September 2014 does not contain a single note that the French troops attacked Iranian targets in Syria or Hezbollah.


      https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2018/09/18/11972653.shtml
      The Russian Ministry of Defense reported that during the disappearance of the Russian Il-20 aircraft over the Mediterranean Sea, a missile launch from the French frigate was recorded.

      Who is lying?
      But can’t you just shoot at sea? Well, since the Syrians somehow manage to sew in a clear sky, according to your version.
      1. +3
        26 September 2018 23: 37
        Quote: Prjanik
        Well, since the Syrians somehow manage to sew in a clear sky, according to your version.

        It seems to me that the Arabs worked out properly according to the interference ... I must admit that the God-exiled are great masters of these things. I know from experience.
        And that the air defense system of the district of our bases is not brought into a single center - apparently a reality, not rumors. But Shoigu said that the new C-300B will already be with ASBU ...
        Let's hope that there will be pros on it, and not "obizyany" ... with a grenade.
    4. +4
      26 September 2018 11: 46
      Professor, these two quotes are neither logically nor situationally related. They can neither be compared nor opposed. Logic begins to fail. Alas, apparently age ...

      Who is lying?


      We will respect old age ...
      1. +1
        26 September 2018 15: 25
        We will respect old age ...

        with increasing retirement age, the level of comments about evil Russians and good everyone else will fall

        the Syrians could simply not be aware of the confrontation between the Russian Federation and NATO that evening. the party is playing, they are sharing Syria without them
    5. +1
      26 September 2018 12: 53
      Quote: professor
      Who is lying?

      Israel!
      1. +1
        26 September 2018 23: 44
        Quote: neri73-r
        +2
        Quote: professor
        Who is lying?
        - Israel!

        Ackte! By definition, the exiled cannot "lie"! and "lie" too!
        They can "get out" from any position, declaring the lie - the truth! And persistently convince everyone of their "righteousness", proceeding from their point of view, which is as far from objective truth as the Eternal One went from the gates of Paradise.
        1. +2
          27 September 2018 00: 52
          He is lying who has new versions and speculations every day, and is engaged in re-shoes in the air. S-400 saw everything, time wagon, but IL-20 continued to fly into the air defense fire zone !!!! Exactly ... all because of the French!
        2. 0
          27 September 2018 11: 47
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: neri73-r
          +2
          Quote: professor
          Who is lying?
          - Israel!

          Ackte! By definition, the exiled cannot "lie"! and "lie" too!
          They can "get out" from any position, declaring the lie - the truth! And persistently convince everyone of their "righteousness", proceeding from their point of view, which is as far from objective truth as the Eternal One went from the gates of Paradise.

          Not only them, more arrogant Saxons!
  9. 0
    26 September 2018 11: 15
    Is it difficult to understand that France is now, remember the video of Macron with Trump. Patting him, Trump made it clear that you are and will do what I say (and disgustedly, in my repertoire). So this "boy" has to obey. And how in front of Volodka this little face was leading. Well, not those French already - you see Kutuzov piled great on them, brains completely, think outside on their own.
    1. +3
      26 September 2018 16: 45
      Here, it’s almost straightforward to see how the United States is laying great democracy on the whole of France, and its president in particular. And he doesn’t mind .... lol

      1. +1
        26 September 2018 17: 24
        Nikolay, hi. Everyone then noticed and everyone understood everything. Then, after two months, one and a half months, this bipod begins to fawn before Putin !!! - bad word damn it !!! - we have that, in the world, elementary watered correctness has disappeared ?! - Unfortunately yes . Nothing, Nikolai, I like Vitaliy’s grandfather - I respect him.
    2. +2
      26 September 2018 23: 48
      Quote: bald
      Well, the French are not the same ones already - it’s great to see Kutuzov pile them up, completely brain, to think of a margin independently.

      "You also write that the Cossacks spoiled the breed!" - "deep French philosophers" disappeared! laughing
      1. 0
        27 September 2018 01: 12
        Leave them alone, but in the case, what do you mean?
  10. +2
    26 September 2018 11: 19
    It’s clear that the matter is dark))))
  11. -1
    26 September 2018 11: 23
    Purpose of the article: to put a shadow on the wattle fence. Like, Israel has nothing to do with this, deal with the French ... well, you can wait a bit with the delivery of the S-300. As if, the desire to roll back the situation is read.
    All these and similar articles do not cancel the results of the situation analysis with the help of means of objective control, which was presented to the Ministry of Defense of Russia.
    1. +4
      26 September 2018 12: 10
      I kept waiting for the Khmeimim radar to show how many missiles were fired by Syrian air defense against a group of three Israeli fighters on duty 40 minutes directly opposite Latakia. A single fighter was shot, but a group of three? - This is a very tidbit.
      1. +1
        26 September 2018 12: 59
        Quote: voyaka uh
        I kept waiting for the Khmeimim radar to show how many missiles were fired by Syrian air defense against a group of three Israeli fighters on duty 40 minutes directly opposite Latakia. A single fighter was shot, but a group of three? - This is a very tidbit.

        Do not get cancer by the snag! They showed what was related to the IL-20, otherwise you want to learn a lot about the capabilities of the system! stop And continue to play unconscious woman, but a lie to say something else will show! The main thing to give lies. tongue What our MO showed - they waited for what your pilot brought to Moscow, and then they poked his nose.
        1. +5
          26 September 2018 15: 53
          Quote: neri73-r
          Do not get cancer by the snag! They showed what was related to IL-20

          They said one thing ..... showed another ... but why didn’t Konashenkov tell about the second missile, which is clearly visible in his picture bully

          and at the same time without emphasizing that this is the data of our Navy ..... and not from the "no analogue in the world" S-400 or the Syrian S-200 soldier
          1. +1
            26 September 2018 16: 26
            Quote: Random
            Quote: neri73-r
            Do not get cancer by the snag! They showed what was related to IL-20

            They said one thing ..... showed another ... but why didn’t Konashenkov tell about the second missile, which is clearly visible in his picture bully

            and at the same time without emphasizing that this is the data of our Navy ..... and not from the "no analogue in the world" S-400 or the Syrian S-200 soldier

            This discussion will make sense if Israel will show their cartoons that they brought to Moscow, then we can compare who has the better cartoon! And the Jews well done our shustry cartoon to discuss, but we will not show yours for discussion! It’s not conscientious and not honest, it’s a tricky move, designed for a sucker!
            1. +3
              26 September 2018 23: 21
              Quote: neri73-r
              they’ll show their cartoons that they brought to Moscow, then we’ll compare who has the better cartoon

              So you show those cartoon, and not a screen from the IKO of the ship of the Russian Navy wink
              And this is a cartoon ... with a non-existent airfield and a "geographical" image that does not correspond to reality at all soldier

              It is clear that you run out of "arguments" and "arguments", but such "plops" are allowed .... wassat
              1. 0
                27 September 2018 11: 45
                Quote: Random
                Quote: neri73-r
                they’ll show their cartoons that they brought to Moscow, then we’ll compare who has the better cartoon

                So you show those cartoon, and not a screen from the IKO of the ship of the Russian Navy wink
                And this is a cartoon ... with a non-existent airfield and a "geographical" image that does not correspond to reality at all soldier

                It is clear that you run out of "arguments" and "arguments", but such "plops" are allowed .... wassat

                You don’t have them at all. No arguments, no evidence, no cartoons, there is one thing - not us, but us for sho! laughing tongue
      2. +2
        26 September 2018 13: 26
        Well they put interference like ....
      3. +1
        27 September 2018 01: 10
        They were too far away for the well-aimed Syrians and put obstacles, so they grazed peacefully ... and one, perhaps, "worked for live bait", provoking the work of air defense systems. Israeli pilots have known the capabilities of the Syrian air defense for a long time, better than anyone. Therefore, "lawlessness"))). I adhere to the point of view that any of the most sophisticated air defense systems without mutual work with their fighters is guaranteed to be suppressed. Therefore, neither the S-300, the Patriot, nor the Jedi self-throwing swords will protect the Syrians. The odds are not equal
      4. -1
        27 September 2018 01: 25
        This is an interesting question that all the media and the chiefs are silent, just do not evade. Come on - from the position of the leadership of Israel. Do you know (according to the tracking data) that there is a Russian plane in the bombing area and if you have any plans, are they really urgent? Would you give the command to continue? It's absurd even in your plans, most of them hate you, I was not one of them - I was sensible - but what about my neighbor Schillman now, by the way, more than half of them immigrated to you - emotions of course, but you are pure crap. Also, the former design bureau, on various kinds of developments, was in charge of their dad, and here you "fasted". The Russians, fuck you, you can play on trust, but not win.
    2. +1
      26 September 2018 14: 10
      Quote: flicker
      Purpose of the article: put a shadow on the fence. Like, Israel has nothing to do with, deal with the French


      Have you tried to read the article?

      Quote: flicker
      All these and similar articles do not cancel the results of the situation analysis with the help of means of objective control, which was presented to the Ministry of Defense of Russia.


      Where did you get him? Show something, I wonder the same. We will immediately lose the desire to read these articles.
    3. +4
      26 September 2018 16: 00
      Quote: flicker
      cancel the results of the analysis of the situation using the means of objective control, which was presented to the Russian Ministry of Defense.

      What you call the result of the analysis is "noodles" soldier which shows ... that Il himself is heading to where he was shot down, that they are firing at him ..... specifically, the Il-20 fired 2 missiles., well, the 3D animated film that is on the tape in my komenta below.
      No heights, no speeds, no courses, no coordinates, no radio communication with the command and control and RP ... NOTHING ... and you call this ... "analysis"? belay
      1. -2
        27 September 2018 14: 43
        It turns out that the IL-20 with his two missiles shot himself down. Know some logic. He probably had the air conditioner turned on!
  12. +4
    26 September 2018 11: 29
    I am sure that this frigate off the west coast of the SAR acted in conjunction with the Israeli F-16.
    I don’t believe in coincidences for a long time.
    But I believe that just like that, even the French frigates are not off the coast of Syria. Completely.
    1. 0
      27 September 2018 01: 13
      I'm sure your confidence is based on a bad mood. A man should not obey emotions, so you can awaken
      1. -2
        27 September 2018 03: 11
        Is there anything on the topic?
        And my mood is MY mood.
        1. 0
          27 September 2018 14: 45
          So he answered you completely in your spirit. That you have no justification for what was said except a certain chuyka. What do you ask him for something specific.
          1. -2
            27 September 2018 18: 57
            So it is my right to freely express my thoughts.
            I expressed. And my mood doesn’t concern anyone. For now, anyway.
            And you do the same: do not like it, write something of your own. Express yourself.
            1. 0
              27 September 2018 22: 10
              So is the right of others to express their own. For example, about your mood. In fact, a colleague said quite softly, but you did not appreciate it.
              A person who does something at the behest of his mood or similar impulses is not too smart. Because he writes not with sober calculation and a clear brain, but with something that overshadows him. This mood is either alcohol or something else is not important. Configure as much as you like, just do not be surprised that you are perceived accordingly. Grannies, too, when they gather under the influence of their mood, begin to wash the bones, this comparison is very obvious.
              1. +2
                27 September 2018 22: 30
                Quote: Red_Baron
                Grannies, too, when they gather under the influence of their mood, begin to wash the bones, this comparison is very obvious.

                Here you are the point. I wrote not to you and not to him. And both of you, like those grannies ... You should not care about my mood. The topic of the article is not about that.
                And in general, how one can judge the mood by what is written, where there are not even exclamation marks, I also do not understand. Far-fetched. He wrote (and you too, I suspect) only to write. At least something ... The most lazy (probably mood or alcohol), and the comment "sprinkle" someone in an abstract form, that's please. It's easy.
                Checked in. Now the mood is better, for sure.
                1. +2
                  27 September 2018 22: 37
                  :)
                  So you fake us, deservedly. :)
                  Let's not swear. I don’t think that Manitou somehow touched your mood. I can’t speak for him, but I think so. What did he mean by the validity of the statement? Just put it in this form.
                  Yes, I admit, I wrote that comment just by passing and appreciating Manitou's comment rather light and not intrusive.
                  But to write something yourself is not too lazy. On the contrary, large sheets are obtained, and I think it was successful when it seemed that he expressed and did not write a big post.
                  1. +1
                    27 September 2018 23: 00
                    Quote: Red_Baron
                    Let's not swear.

                    Deal.
  13. -1
    26 September 2018 11: 30
    The task is to properly arrange the businessman, as if the strikes were targeted, exclusively on the bases of the barmalei, and tens of millions of southern peacekeepers would perish. The task seems impossible only at first glance.
  14. -1
    26 September 2018 11: 34
    "The operation involved 10 Rafale aircraft"

    HA!
    There are thousands of birds of the Russian Commander-in-Chief in the sky, and so many dviguns are already warming at the airfields of the Rostov province!
    Glory to the Commander!
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  16. 0
    26 September 2018 11: 43
    99% of territories previously occupied by militants exempted from ISIS (* prohibited in the Russian Federation)
    Does Trump know about this? Otherwise, he and his generals announced the other day that the Americans had defeated ISIS, and that Russia is generally useless. Something French boy completely unbelted, not only pulls the European blanket over, but also swings at the sacred - the "victory" of the United States over ISIS.
    1. 0
      26 September 2018 15: 28
      wave - don't put it in your pocket
      let it wave
  17. +2
    26 September 2018 11: 59
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The message of the official Syrian agency SANA about the "first military
    application of the S-400 system ".

    https://t.co/c1Nt08i1dc
    1. -1
      26 September 2018 12: 38
      So on the Israeli falcons was released not one, about twenty S-200.
  18. +1
    26 September 2018 12: 06
    Experts in Israel and the West consider it nonsense that the Israel Air Force firing the entire ammunition for an entire hour (the time difference between delivering an attack on an Iranian base and a Syrian air defense missile entering an IL-20 aircraft) was barraging between Latakia and Cyprus in the Syrian and Russian anti-aircraft missiles, hundreds of kilometers from their home bases ...... they are not suicides.
    Experts note that this does not fit into the head also because the Israeli Air Force aircraft flew on a mission with a full bomb ammunition, that is, with a reduced fuel supply.
    Until now, Russian specialists have not understood: did the French frigate Auvergne participate in the September 17 attack, delivering a missile attack on Latakia ??
    1. +1
      26 September 2018 13: 05
      Quote: alta
      Experts in Israel and the West consider nonsense

      They can be considered nonsense anything, only here the data of objective control can not be taken anywhere! laughing
      1. -2
        26 September 2018 13: 26
        Quote: neri73-r
        Quote: alta
        Experts in Israel and the West consider nonsense

        They can be considered nonsense anything, only here the data of objective control can not be taken anywhere! laughing

        Only no one showed us the objective control data. Some cartoons. request
        1. +3
          27 September 2018 00: 10
          Quote: professor
          Only no one showed us the objective control data.

          Professor! Are you so naive that you really believe that you will be shown the screens and recorders of the combat systems currently in Syria? Moreover, Konoshenkov said that the entire "objective" was presented according to the data from the S-400!
          "Well, if the word is like small children!" (from). laughing
          1. +1
            27 September 2018 01: 40
            And why then even arrange this circus with briefings. They said secret data, to blame ..that they are! and all! You don't care ... What’s the secret about the S-400 radar? What could constitute a state secret there? Do not tell ... There is an opportunity to erase the excess. what can’t be shown on the screen .... Just one of several goals of objective control is to search for errors in the operation of calculating and investigating incidents ... God forbid, hypothetically, the complex knocks down a civilian foreign ship (or knocks someone else ... .IRANS !!!!)))) To prove innocence, you have to provide records
        2. 0
          27 September 2018 11: 49
          Quote: professor
          Quote: neri73-r
          Quote: alta
          Experts in Israel and the West consider nonsense

          They can be considered nonsense anything, only here the data of objective control can not be taken anywhere! laughing

          Only no one showed us the objective control data. Some cartoons. request

          And where are your cartoons or, at least, some evidence sho not you ????? And to shout - and we for sho, everyone can !!!
      2. 0
        27 September 2018 01: 25
        Those cartoons cannot be called objective control. In the first briefing about s-400 not a word. When the noise went: Where were Our valiant quilts? then the second briefing went on, with screenshots from the S-400 screens (which apparently flew by carrier pigeons for two days). And to them: yes, it’s all visible and understandable from the very beginning .. IT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE - why did almost 15 minutes pass after the Israel attack, do the Syrian air defense work and the IL-20 just send to this zone and it falls after another 5 minutes? Did his Frenchmen direct? Another cartoon designed for the all-consuming Russian patriot. Just FANTASTIC!
        1. 0
          27 September 2018 11: 55
          Quote: MANITU
          Those cartoons cannot be called objective control. In the first briefing about s-400 not a word. When the noise went: Where were Our valiant quilts? then the second briefing went on, with screenshots from the S-400 screens (which apparently flew by carrier pigeons for two days). And to them: yes, it’s all visible and understandable from the very beginning .. IT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE - why did almost 15 minutes pass after the Israel attack, do the Syrian air defense work and the IL-20 just send to this zone and it falls after another 5 minutes? Did his Frenchmen direct? Another cartoon designed for the all-consuming Russian patriot. Just FANTASTIC!

          You are wrong, you must let the guilty lie, that would not be backward, and then present evidence !!! Which was demonstrated with success by our MO !!! An Israeli pilot arrived, showed the mounted box, and then ours proved to them, so the howl began in the media and the bots were there by type - and we are for sho !!!! And to the people, for clarity and accessibility, as well as maintaining state secrets, as you say, they made a cartoon! Those who need it (Israelis and other interested parties) showed objective data! So yours do not dance! wassat tongue
          1. +1
            27 September 2018 13: 06
            I was surprised only by one in the message of the Ukrainian colleague. The lack of phrases like this one - And why did your MO not declassify information on the S-400 to be more convincing?
            1. +1
              28 September 2018 23: 08
              I was surprised only by one in the message of the Ukrainian colleague. The lack of phrases like this one - And why did your MO not declassify information on the S-400 to be more convincing?

              Andrew. I also do not have complete information on this case, I am not an eyewitness, and I also draw it from various media and try to understand what really happened. A serious case, which may in the future have an impact on each of us ... And maybe I don't catch up with something ... for this I listen (read) the opinions of different people ... But the fact that the mosaic does not add up not only for me , it is clear from the comments .... I did not even see an attempt to answer the question I asked: "Why did it take almost 15 minutes after the Israelis attack, Syria's air defenses are working, and the IL-20 is just sent to this zone and it falls in another 5 minutes? "
              1. +1
                29 September 2018 11: 26
                I’m not even sure about the timing, but this will not be any weighty arguments for this 100%.
                Data on the S-400 is classified, like any modern weapon. They are just very closely watched by colleagues from neighboring and not so states. The capabilities of the rocket, its speed, the reaction time of the calculation, the capabilities of radar stations and so on. Remember how the data on the same Gauges on different resources were underestimated every 2 times at least.
                Regarding your questions, then again there are no timings and sequence of actions. Where did the IL-20 go to the same French, or where else, how and why did the Syrian air defense work so well. Well, the fact that the plane crashes after 5 minutes can only show data after working with its residues. If it was not very destroyed, then 5 minutes is not at all essential for a fall.
            2. +1
              28 September 2018 23: 32
              I, apparently, did not express myself clearly ... No need to provide secret information about the complex ... This is not required. The system of objective control of such a serious object (even logically) should be able to provide limited public information with a "signature". And not necessarily even the S-400 itself. And that's not the point. And the fact is that if they saw everything well on the S-400, from the very beginning, why they did not take the Il-20 out of the zone - there was enough time.
              1. +1
                29 September 2018 11: 32
                I saw this your message. Well, personally, I can’t say anything here, only from my ordinary ordinary sofa. If you saw it well, then the question is either in reaction or in possibilities. I would suggest primarily a psychological factor. But how much my opinion coincides with the knowledge and reactions of our leadership there. I would not expect that Syrian air defense will not do everything possible to even eat this missile. But keep her out of our plane. In the same way, I least expected any provocative actions from Israeli aviation. And again, my words from the couch - for a very long time, in fact, work with the Middle East was interrupted. And when compared with what happened during the USSR, I don’t even know how to say it.
                1. +1
                  29 September 2018 17: 50
                  I have a version that the group f-16 overslept. Went to the area very low. They attacked, interfering with the suppression of Syrian air defense, at the same time blinding the S-400. Therefore, without seeing the planes, they thought that the French frigate was attacking from the sea. IL-20, they probably did it in order to clarify the source of interference in the area of ​​the sea (or maybe it’s not at all at work). Further, Syria’s air defense has become stupid that they are bombing from the air and let's shoot all living things. They did not have time to give the STOP command.
                  1. +1
                    1 October 2018 02: 26
                    Very similar to what I have in my head about this.
                    Only at the expense of blinding the S-400 radar, I don’t know, I can’t imagine where it was and what type it was, but its detection range was 400 km or more, so it wasn’t close.
    2. +2
      26 September 2018 13: 33
      Maybe they shot everything, but maybe not the whole and re-entry.
  19. +5
    26 September 2018 12: 16
    And what is so surprising that everyone in the world knows, especially the French know that in WW2, France won all, ...
    and it even seems that they freed Moscow, but that’s not certain ...
    And they also defeated Japan ... several times ...
    Only the Germans then sometimes wondered:
    And that they (the French) defeated us .. ???. !!. ...
    Aren't we in Paris a Frenchman ... ok ...
  20. +4
    26 September 2018 12: 41
    No matter how many statues casting doubt on Israel’s blame for the death of our plane, they still cannot outweigh the objective facts cited by our Defense Ministry.
    The decision on the S-300 postaks was made and nothing can be changed. So all these attempts are in vain.
  21. -2
    26 September 2018 13: 10
    Well, yes, they did. One battery with a Russian instructor-educator who will beat the Mahmuds with a ruler every time they pull their playful pens ... Putin clearly said we will continue and deepen coordination with Israel. There will be a meeting of delegations soon. Likely in Israel, there is still swimming in the sea.
    1. -2
      26 September 2018 13: 35
      So the agreement now needs to be edited ..
    2. +2
      26 September 2018 14: 16
      Quote: Zina389
      One battery with a Russian instructor-tutor who will beat the Makhmuds with a ruler every time they pull their playful pens ...


      What is bad option? Quite to myself, by the way. At the very least, the entire area will be insured against random or crooked starts.

      Or do you just prefer the C-300 from the Arabs? Sorry, but this is pure masochism on your part.

      Yes, it will be difficult to fly Israeli military aircraft, I admit it. But that doesn't mean "everything will be knocked down", does it?
      1. +3
        26 September 2018 14: 45
        The option is good. In theory. In practice - costly and a little risky. You can certainly save by relying on chance, but losses are likely.
        One instructor is not enough - 2-3x for each object (people are not robots, they need rest). Plus 1-2 platoon guards (or there will be videos with captive instructors). The presence of ground and air transport, quick response groups, the supply of all this, fire support, emergency evacuation facilities, communications, medicine, a reserve for rotation, etc. And all this is not in a single copy, but with the expectation of the likely evacuation of all at once. Maybe something else. As a result, each air defense object turns into a full-fledged base, with all the associated risks (the more people, the greater the likelihood of an emergency). Further, to support this entire economy, even more aviation, infantry, tanks, etc. are required.
        1. -2
          26 September 2018 17: 30
          Quote: Wilderness
          Further, to support this entire economy, even more aviation, infantry, tanks, etc. are required.


          In short - solid ... wilderness ...
  22. 0
    27 September 2018 22: 32
    Quote: Red_Baron
    but you didn’t appreciate it.

    Well, why? Appreciated. Honestly.
    Deservedly.