C-300 for the nose can not hold! Technical gaps in the shock squadrons of the Israeli Air Force

MOSCOW TRANSLATES “GREAT GAME” TO NEW PLANE

The beginning of the last week of September, 2018, can be safely described as a very short-term and exponential period of reformatting Moscow’s strategy with regard to the primary military-political problems in the Middle Eastern and Eastern European areas of responsibility of Russia. Every year they are increasingly ardently challenging our superpower status, creating a considerable amount of operational-tactical troubles in the Syrian and Donbas theaters of war, as well as in the waters of the Mediterranean, Black and Azov seas.

Against the background of the inevitable strengthening of the sanctions pressure on our state and the new anti-Russian attacks of Ukraine and Israel, regardless of the concessions to which the Kremlin has repeatedly walked both on resolving the situation in the Donbass and on the presence of Hezbollah units in the south of Syria that are disturbing Tel Aviv ", The IRGC and Al-Quds, the top Russian leadership (having made some efforts to get rid of the" dollar trap ") finally made the decision to tighten diplomatic and military-political levers rotivodeystviya aggressors. The times of the toothless and vague responses of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense to the ugly actions of the enemy are coming to an end.

A peculiar bifurcation point in Russian-Ukrainian relations, which eventually tipped the balance in the direction of strong diplomatic pressure on Kiev and the recent warning of the junta to immediately recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics in the event of an attempt to conduct an offensive operation against the 1 and 2 army corps (Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs and Relations with Compatriots Konstantin Zatulin) stated about this version of the development of events on the Russia 1 channel; a hodgepodge of several incidents Comrade

These include: the attack of the Ukrainian militants on the Russian military unit near the Armyansky KPVV, the seizure of the fishing vessel Nord and the Mekhanik Pogodin motor ship, an attempt to cover the Donbass sweep under cover of Western PMCs, the UN contingent and NATO instructors from the armies of the republics and the dissident population and, of course, the recent start of militarization by the Ukrainian artillery units of the Northern Azov Sea, which threatens navigation in the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov and creates a significant threat to the Coast of the national security service of the FSB of Russia. The absence of any measures to prevent the Black Sea Fleet and the State Border Service of the FSB of Russia from entering the Sea of ​​Azov of the Ukrainian search and rescue ship Donbass and the sea-going tug Koretz has a very serious "deep" trick, the details of which we will consider in our next reviews, and therefore we advise the observers of Runet not to rush to criticize our leadership in this situation. Everything is going well according to a verified plan. We will return to the consideration of the effectiveness of the response of Moscow to the recent Israeli outburst, the result of which was the death of the crew of the IL-20M video camera of Russia.

And in a scary dream did not despair. WITH “FAVORITE” WILL BE EASY

For provocative and pre-agreed with the command of Hel Haavir actions of the pilots of the Israeli tactical fighter F-16I Sufa, which led to the tragic incident with the loss of our aircraft, radio engineering and electronic intelligence Il-20M anti-aircraft guided 5B21 / 28 anti-aircraft missile, an anti-aircraft missile 300ВХNUMX / 2, and already, in line with the 4В1 / 1 anti-aircraft reconnaissance aircraft of the IL-2 anti-aircraft reconnaissance tactical fighter jets. response ”in the form of several full-fledged anti-aircraft missile battalions C-XNUMPPMU-20 (or“ PS ”), as well as automated control systems for anti-aircraft missile brigades of the Polyana-D39М or Baikal-300МE type, which ie combined into a single high-performance network-centric defense "trohsotki" network "armor-SXNUMX" and "Buki-MXNUMXE". Some pro-Israeli observers who are in every way blocking Hel Haavir’s command in the incident with the loss of IL-XNUMX, as well as Israeli analytical sources, continue to rely on the tactical CD "Delila" and UAB GBU-XNUMX / B in the hope of the early destruction of the S- XNUMX. But we "chop off" their hopes in the bud with extremely disappointing details.

Earlier, the pilots of the Israeli F-15I "Ra'am" and F-16I "Sufa" due to the long reaction time of the Syrian air defense systems S-200, as well as the possibility of suppressing the target channel of the outdated guidance radar (ROC) 5N62V using the onboard electronic warfare station Elisra SPJ- 40, could safely climb to a height of more than 7-8 km above the Anti-Lebanon for dropping GBU-39 / B planing unobtrusive bombs at a distance of 80-110 km (without fear for their lives), then with the S-300PMU-1/2 and quite advanced anti-aircraft guided missiles 48N6 and 48N6E2 such a trick will not work.

So, one of the main firing elements of the C-300PMU-2 “Favorit” air defense missile system is a powerful 30H6X2 radar for illumination and targeting, built on the basis of a passive phased antenna array with high noise immunity. It is capable of capturing an F-16I type target (with an EPR suspension about 2,5 sq. M) for precise auto-tracking at a distance of 170 — 180 km and ensuring the launch of 48H6EXNNX XUR from a similar distance. Taking into account the use of the EW Elisra SPJ-2 EW complex by Israeli pilots, this range may be reduced to 40 — 110 km, which, although not bad, will still not allow the use of “narrow bombs” (GBU-130 / B) safely. Conclusion: F-39I will be forced to work on the Syrian theater of operations exclusively in the following mode of terrain, which excludes the possibility of launching “narrow bombs” with the 16 ESR. m over long distances, as has happened until recently. It will require the most famous long-range tactical missiles “Delilah-AL”, developed by IMI corporation (which Israeli information sources like to boast of).

Despite the fact that the range of this rocket is about 250 km, the speed and maneuverability of the product leaves much to be desired: the flight speed varies from 400 to 850 km / h, and anti-aircraft maneuvers can be performed with an overload of no more than 5 units. Consequently, the Syrian calculation of the C-300PMU-2, located in the 54K6X2 PBU, firstly, will have plenty of time for detection, launch of the route, capture and shelling of the Delila, and secondly, sufficient confidence in its destruction, since the anti-aircraft missile 48H6X2 is capable of intercepting objects with overloads of order 12 — 15G, possessing its own G-limit in 30 — 35-units.

Someone may say about the sudden appearance of “Delilah” because of the radio horizon, which will deprive the “three hundred” operators of time to respond. This moment in our complex is perfectly compensated by the universal 39ВХNUMXМД 40 tower, the 6НХNNXXX30 antenna post raised on which receives a radio horizon in 6 km along the target flying at an altitude 2 m. mm, as well as a protruding air intake, we can talk about the radar signature (EPR), equal to 38 — 20 square. m, while the minimum limit of this value for C-330PMU-0,04 is 0,05 sq. Yes, and the thermal radiation from the main engines of these missiles will be perfectly recorded by the 300EC2-E optic-electronic systems installed on the Syrian Armor-C0,02, and even if the Favorite with the Delila has any difficulties, their rocket - cannon partners accomplish the task.

Information sources:
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f16i.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/c200/c200.shtml
https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/delilah/
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/c300pmu2/c300pmu2.shtml

Comments

[A good one]

Of course, all these calculations are also known to the Israeli side, but this is 50% percent of the solution of the assigned tasks, but determination and consistency in the use of air defense systems is a guarantee of success and a deterrent against rash actions.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Not bad

All these calculations are certainly known to the Israeli side, but this is 50% percent of the solution of the tasks, but the determination and consistency in the use of air defense systems is a guarantee of success and a deterrent from rash actions.

Do not worry! Determination is enough. Because the US and their Israel and the Pentagon NATO have already "got" Russia in the SAR! They do not understand the good attitude of Russia and take it for weakness.

The most important thing is that it is Washington that first of all needs a war in the BV and with the Mediterranean region. And their "allies" - Israel and other NATO countries - are just their unreasonable "backbones". In other words, Washington keeps them for "sixes" or pawns in a chess game.

[A good one]

And I don’t worry, why did you get this?

[Stas157]

Tel Aviv will face with a decent "otvetku" in the form of several full-fledged anti-aircraft missile divisions S-300PMU-2

So the Turks already answered, delivered the S-400, didn't it help?

[Shkiper]

Do not worry! Enough resolve.

What are you doing ?! But what about the children, wives, "grandmothers" already at home? Are offshore capital working for the good of the homeland, increasing the well-being of the people?

[kos2910]

What are you ?! But what about the children, wives, "grandmothers" already at home?

What is this about? C-300s are delivered to the Syrian troops, and they crave for the Jews with great pleasure. I doubt that the Syrians have relatives living in Israel.

[Mr Credo]

Syrian relatives in Israel probably do not live. Well, maybe in Europe. But the leadership of the air defense is carried out by the Russian military. Their relatives are also unlikely to live in Israel. The leadership of the military is also carried out by certain individuals, and not all in a row. And where the relatives of the military leaders live, I don’t know. Now, of course, they will throw a comment about Lavrov’s daughter and husband of Putin’s daughter. Maybe they are just jealous?

[Dangerous]

Yes, it’s just naive to believe that for so many years there was no determination, and here again - and it appeared! Everyone beat us in a row - Ukrainians with their ship arrests, Turks with tame terrorists, now the Israelis, but there was no answer, no. The fact that they delivered the S-300 does not mean that they will be used as they should, and not just as a scarecrow

[meandr51]

Yes, they are beating our people, but for some reason the interests of Russia are a winner: Crimea is ours, Donbass is almost ours, Syria is almost cleaned up. Why does this happen? Probably, as always, we fill up with "meat"? No, it's old. Are there any more arguments?

[NIKN]

Quote: Mister Creed

And where the relatives of the military leaders live, I don’t know.

Let relatives live, that they face arrests, for kinship? And I do not think that under the current situation in the world, everyone continues to stupidly keep their savings in banks that threaten to freeze their funds.

Quote: Mister Creed

about the daughter of Lavrov and the husband of Putin’s daughter. Maybe they are just jealous?

We are not declaring a nuclear war, and if there is such a possibility, I do not think that they will remain there.

[Shkiper]

Nikolai, was Stalin's son Yakov visiting the "non-farm"? No one will take children and wives in the 21st century hostage, bank cards will be blocked, accounts will be arrested, real estate and movable property will be arrested, and they will not even look for a reason, because everything is acquired by criminal means.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Shkiper

bank cards will be blocked, accounts will be arrested, real estate and movability will be seized, and they will not even search for an excuse

but let me ask where does the money constantly come from on these cards and accounts?
All oligarchs have a vivid example of how money without a source of replenishment suddenly runs out and you are already hanging out in a noose from a tie in a luxurious bathroom. When you have the opportunity to constantly milk people to cover your losses and exorbitant expenses, then you can lose mobility and real estate over the hill.
Where else have you seen a country where all oligarch losses incurred in other countries and as a result of sanctions are compensated free of charge from the budget?

[Shkiper]

Their relatives are also unlikely to live in Israel.

But they go there to be treated for sure. And also "no visa" will be closed for Russians. Here the howl will raise the "fifth column".

[Shkiper]

Konstantin, are the S-300 supplied from Iran? I don’t know what kind of education you have, but when I was getting mine (mid-80s), the "teachers" relied on what we would read between the lines. Do you quite seriously think that we will bring the S-300 and give them to the Syrians for a good life? Listen to Shoigu more attentively. The "hand" on the "START" button will be Syrian, and around our advisors with "sticks". And to Comrade Credo, I would like to add Lavrov's daughter, Putin's daughter and Peskov's daughter, and many, many. Do we have that Shoigu no longer obeys the "guarantor" as the commander-in-chief of the RF Armed Forces?

[sib.ataman]

In addition to grandmothers and children, there are still such things without which they cost nothing! Well, you don’t know! Buy-sell and this is the whole point of existence!

[cradle]

behind the times - kaneshno

[NEOZ]

Quote: Tatiana

Russia has already been "got" in the SAR! They do not understand the good attitude of Russia and take it for weakness

maybe this is a weakness?
as is the weakness of Iran, whose citizens Israel kills ....

[sib.ataman]

I really want to know where the border of patience of the Russian Federation ends? Find out!

[Vladimir 5]

I’m more confident that you and I will again learn about the surrender of Russia's positions and the shame due to the fault of the main guarantors in the power of the Russian Federation, they have been doing this for 20 years, so that no changes are expected. I’m not banning vile criminals from Israel, I’m talking about the actual state of affairs in Russia. And the military of the Russian Federation obeys the treacherous orders from above - as a criminal conspiracy to allow Israel to bomb anyone in the allied and defended Syria ....

[meandr51]

The weak and nervous react to a single "murder". Cold-blooded people do not pay attention to individual wasp bites and choose the moment to slam the whole nest.

[bandabas]

The "leadership" only has enough resolve for its citizens with interest.

[Semen1972]

Quote: Not bad

Of course, all these calculations are also known to the Israeli side, but this is 50% percent of the solution of the assigned tasks, but determination and consistency in the use of air defense systems is a guarantee of success and a deterrent against rash actions.

It becomes clear that Syria is already part of Russia, because the brothers are closer than Israel .. and therefore they need to be protected to the last drop of blood !!!!! If necessary-we will fight with Israel !!!! If only Assad was the eternal president of Syria !!!!

[kuz363]

You are a couch commentator, come on, put the flag in your hands and go to the desert! You can only grind with your tongue.

[Snail N9]

Everything is going according to a well-defined plan.

Ltd! Again, it turns out, HPP. Further, I did not even read ....

[mvd ru]

How much we "lost" from what you did not read further

[silver169]

Snail # 9 Don't Read. Get into your shell and do not shine.

[Varaga]

Do you have ... a plan? ...
Which one then?..
Is there anything? ..
The same thing ...

[sib.ataman]

Is that the same, is this the whole set of meaning? "Far away" you will go!

[Varaga]

Farther than you. And not at the same address as you.

[RusKosTen]

If you follow the logic of recent events, then a not very good conclusion emerges. At the start of the preparation of the Idlib clean-up operation, Syria and Russia came to the point of what could be done to restore Syria as a sovereign state. In the north, Turkey dictates its terms, in the east the Americans are densely populated, the Israelis bomb when they want Syrian territory, Iran has its armed formations on the territory of the SAR and you can't just ask them back home just like that - they, too, shed blood like that. And what to do next in these conditions? It turns out that Israel could be measured by supplying the S-300 in response to the death of our plane with 15 people on board. Prior to that, to introduce the S-300 on such conditions, it turns out we had no opportunity. Now it turns out that in order to squeeze the Turks, Americans, Iranians out of Syria, it is necessary that every time extreme situations "ala the death of our people" occur so that Russia has the opportunity and reason to ask all these tenants to leave? Not a very positive conclusion.

[jonht]

It’s a little wrong, there were agreements with the Jews on which they put it with the hope that they would give a ride, but everything turned out not as planned. Therefore, a decision was made on the S-300. The Turks were given the opportunity to separate the bearded, they will not be able to do this, the Idlib adder will also be cleansed, but not before the Turks screw it up there. The biggest problem in Syria is the Kurds, but it’s just not fast to solve. The FSA will leave themselves as soon as it becomes clear to them that the project has been blown away ....

[Serge Gorely]

The most important mistake was a verbal agreement, since the delivery of the C300 did not violate international agreements. Is it possible that the experience with the expansion of NATO has not taught that the Western "partners" are masters of their word: they want to give, they want to take away.

[Mr Credo]

I honestly say. Was it that the Americans left themselves? In Korea and Vietnam, they kind of left themselves. But with a good kick. But to leave voluntarily? They’re not even going to leave the impoverished Afghanistan! Although before that, the Russians were accused of a stupid policy towards Afghanistan.

[sib.ataman]

Beggar of Afghanistan? With huge poppy fields under their control? Yes, you sho ?!
Even spraying them with dust, you can’t pound them out!

[milton]

Aha! After the occupation, the so-called. Afghan heroin production increased 40 times! People write that as soon as the sides land from Afghanistan on Ramstein, the entire local drug network begins to run like cockroaches in the light! These worthy people from Fashington, even from Vietnam, they made money on drugs. The question is what has changed since then?

[cradle]

he may be a beggar, but there is drugs

[NEOZ]

Quote: RusKosTen

Not a very positive conclusion.

Everything as usual...
more than 100 people had to be killed for a coup in Ukraine. (the truth then had to kill even more, but that's another story).
for the collapse of the USSR, too, had to kill people.
etc.
killing a small number of people for a big purpose has been at all times.

[sib.ataman]

Your conclusion is cynical!

[meandr51]

Nobody has ever had and never will have another policy. Suffice it to recall the American "falling towers" blown up by explosives.

[Varaga]

I agree. But to allow this viper to grow (not without the help of the Turks, Amers and Jews, by the way) is by no means impossible. Otherwise, our guys died in vain.

[Fanis]

I think many have removed the language

[Semen1972]

Quote: RusKosTen

Israelis bomb when they want Syrian territory

Why are they better ISIS- even worse, they don’t even bomb from planes, but these animals .. they don’t spare children or old people !!!!

[Boris55]

Information for consideration.
During his reign as president, Mr. Medvedev signed decrees that provided for a ban on the transfer of air defense systems: to Syria (2010), Iran (2010), Libya (2011). All contracts that were concluded during the reign Putin, Medvedev canceled, which caused significant damage to the image of Russia and, most importantly, to his country, his people in the form of money not received for finished goods, because of which manufacturers had nothing to repay debts to banks since the products were not sold and the enterprises were on the verge of bankruptcy, and there was nothing for workers to pay wages. In addition, from the budget of the country, i.e. out of our pocket, a penalty was paid for non-fulfillment of contracts.

[Gerklim]

Medvedev is still a pest.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Boris55

All contracts that were concluded during the reign of Putin, Medvedev annulled

this is the hpp. at that time, the Russian Federation was not ready for an open confrontation ...

[Boris55]

Quote: NEOZ

at that time, the Russian Federation was not ready ...

Amazing things you say.

Do you really think Putin is dumber than Medvedev? When concluding contracts for the supply of weapons, Putin did not understand that we were not ready yet, but did Medvedev understand and therefore tore them apart? And then Putin became president again and we became ready to defend Syria?

Don't you think that the readiness of our country depends entirely on its leader?

[Yura]

Quote: Boris55

Putin, signing contracts for the supply of weapons,

I understood and understood how, and if these contracts were brought to an end, much of what would have happened would not have happened - this is a fact.

[sib.ataman]

Not only the leader, but also his entourage!

[wax]

And here is an open confrontation? What Americans would attack Russia for these contracts?

[Mr Credo]

And he even removed Kudrin and sent troops to Georgia! And he did it very quickly! Maybe Medvedev has a gray cardinal, and it is he who rules Russia? Well, why should a real leader constantly ride and shine at various events? This is boring! I would send my deputies to the place of the real leader of the country. Of course with certain tasks. But everywhere to attend yourself! What for?

[Boris55]

Quote: Mister Creed

Well, why should the real leader constantly go and shine at various events? ... But be present everywhere yourself! What for?

Have you heard about feedbacks in management? And how does management effectiveness depend on this - you know? There is plenty of information on the internet on this topic.

Do you understand why VO organizes comments on all articles? To know how their word in us will respond. Likewise, Putin needs to know directly, without "filters", how the adopted laws really affect people's lives.

Why do you oppose that the leader, at any level, would know the real situation in the team, in the country - I do not understand.

[Practik2012]

A sufficient general theory of control of DOTU from BER. Lectures of General Petrov K.P.

[Vladimir 5]

Mr. Credo. - It turns out strange in Russia, A. Chubais persuaded Boris Yeltsin to appoint VVP as a temporary successor, and then they were promoted to the presidency, under the main conditions: vowed VVP, - not to prosecute the president's “family”, and not to revise the results of privatization , that is, to protect the thieves-oligarchs. The GDP has been ruling the country for 18 years and is fully fulfilling its assigned tasks, but Russia is stagnating in the meantime, more than a trillion dollars is being withdrawn from the Russian Federation by thieves-corrupt officials together with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. the country becomes an outcast of the whole world, the people are destitute ..., GDP ratings are created high due to skillful manipulation of external threats, the Crimean action (which forever created enmity with Ukraine), leading the state of the Russian Federation to a fortress imposed by enemies and rallying the people around the only "people's" GDP with an anti-popular government ... A more terrible circus with Russia was not created so often and so the people were not fooled ...

[milton]

I would doubt the speed of Mr. Medvedev! Watch an interview with participants in the events of 08.08.08! Everyone says that it would be possible to react earlier, the losses would be less (that our military is militia), but Dimon hesitated, most likely did not know what to do! In my version of the situation, Putin was informed at the Olympiad about the state of affairs in Ossetia, after which he roared at Dimon and things went! Our military openly says that it was expected that there were plans to deploy troops, but there was no order!

[Varaga]

Yes, even a dime a dozen in power (and, in its highest echelons) such as Yeltsin-Gorbachev-Chubais. Traitors, in a word. And this cannot but alarm.

[aszzz888]

... war criminals at the helm of Israeli aircraft, and the criminal orders of their terrorist state

Israel is a terrorist state: colonelcassad
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4189025.html

and the same command comes END !!! It is very, very sorry that this becomes possible only with the death of 15 of our troops. Eternal Memory to them!

[Cottager452]

Did Sharikov teach you the Russian language?
Use one phrase:
Ahhhh! Jews bastards, scum, tear all.

[Arkady]

Assad is a beggar. Proporti it revolted 80% of the population of Syria. He has practically no army of his own. His ground army is Iranian and his mercenaries. Assad has no money to support the army. She feeds on pasture: what will be able to take away from the conquered population.
Russia supplies arms to Assad for free or is paid by Iran. So get ready: you have to pay S-300 from your pocket.

[Mr Credo]

I suspect that Poroshenko is very rich, like Ukraine !?

[Varaga]

1. If 80% of Syrians had rebelled against Assad, then he would have come to an end long ago. As in Libya with Gaddafi. But the fact that 80% of Syrians FOR Assad looks more like the truth. Therefore, you are rather lying than telling the truth. "Shoby yes, so no ..."
2. It would be impossible for some Iranians to achieve the results that we have now. Therefore, again a lie.
3. At the pasture for several years you will not reach a row. Therefore, you are lying again.
4. Russia supplies the S-300 not to Syria, but TO SYRIA. The officers will be controlled by the Russian Federation. And Iran was not sleeping nearby. As you might guess, you are lying again.
As a result, all the time a lie.
Rotten, gnawed, half-rotten ...

[wax]

Arkady, if your flag is correct, then you must understand that everything produced is already paid. And it would be nice to understand that despite your well-being, you will immediately become poor without the protection of America, which has repeatedly saved you from complete defeat. Moreover, what is intriguing strategically: you try to crush all neighbors in the most cruel way, and not build good relations with them.

[cradle]

Arkasha, do not bother. Something is not heard about the partisan anti-Asodovites, our snub-nosed friend. And you count your grandmothers there, well, the ischo mattresses that throw you.

[cyborg]

Actually, there is oil in Syria. Therefore, Assad is no longer a beggar. This money is enough to restore the country. The main thing is that Jewish dogs should not interfere with him. And the majority of the population just supports it. Assad is a legitimate president, elected democratically, in a popular referendum. Only the bandits paid by the Jews, who call themselves the opposition, hate him. These are the well-developed political technologies of color revolutions by the Americans that they use to overthrow unwanted rulers. So it was in Iraq, Libya, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia and even in Ukraine ..
Complexes S-300 is a defensive weapon. Why are you so mean? It’s not the Iskanders brought there.
But the calculations will, of course, be Russian. There will be friends of those 15 officers killed by your flyers ... And they have a very itchy finger to press the button.

[Phoenix_L'vov]

Ar kasha, more than 80% of the "rebellious" population "live in territories UNDER ASSAD'S CONTROL))
Stop feeding us American propaganda, it is out of date five years ago! )

[milton]

Such a lovely analysis of the situation was presented to us by Arkady! I dare to ask, are you obviously running population polls around Syria? And do your agents in the Central Bank of Syria pour all the information about the state of the state to you? Then why should Israel have intelligence if there are such experienced intelligence agents as Arkady? He alone will defeat

[Varaga]

"... I will put out the eye - the other will remain ..."
Further in the text.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: aszzz888

... war criminals sitting behind ....

Without justifying the actions of the Israeli side, do you have questions to the RF Defense Ministry? With what fright in the combat zone the most valuable aircraft was started to land from a 30-kilometer line? Where is the logic of this maneuver? What did the MOE really hope for "gentlemen's agreements"? So they only act among gentlemen.

[Arkady]

Not only this. IL-20 was in the depths of the country. He was turned towards the location of Israeli aircraft and was not warned by Syrian air defense. In fact, the IL-20 was framed under the rocket that shot him down.

[Alsur]

You are already tired of the brain to endure with your lies. The representative of Israel said on the hotline that the strike will be in northern Syria. Where do you think you should have directed the IL-20, right - to the south. Therefore, Israel and substituted the plane of Russia under attack. How many Russian fools can you imagine that you can fool with your lies? Oh, these novoregs, devil’s lawyers, Israel’s cyber troops, rinse the brain of your people.

[region58]

Quote: ALSur

Representative of Israel reported

But our radars are not there, and we all take our word for it ... yeah ... And if the Jews didn’t tell us anything at all? Wouldn't we know? So what do you think?
PS Judging by the latest MO briefing, everyone saw and everyone knew who, where, why. Why the Syrians pulnuli - that’s the question. There are no excuses that our plane, after the rocket launch, didn’t roll into the firing sector - the speed of the SAM and IL-20 is incommensurable.

[andj61]

Quote: region58

But our radars are not there, and we all take our word for it ... yeah ... And if the Jews didn’t tell us anything at all? Wouldn't we know?

Israeli planes fly over Lebanon and the Mediterranean Sea all the time. Yes, and often fly into Syria. Just like our planes often turn over the territory of Israel. From the border to the place of the bombing - a few kilometers, and given the use of planning bombs that can fly several tens of kilometers to the target, then the bombing can be carried out outside our area of ​​responsibility. It is unrealistic to suspect all Israeli take-off planes of a possible attack - this is only possible in the event of a real war. And in this case, our group in Syria is completely insufficient to confront Israel, and there’s no reason for us to fight with Israel. To prevent possible incidents, these notifications are used.

[region58]

Quote: andj61

To prevent possible incidents, these notifications are used.

Everything is so, only the need to control the situation does not cancel it.

[Varaga]

"Israeli planes fly over Lebanon and the Mediterranean Sea all the time. And they often fly into Syria."
FLYED - You wanted to say.

[meandr51]

In general, if Israel did not exist, it would have to be invented. The best training for videoconferencing and air defense can not be imagined. The more painful he "punishes" us, the faster our inert soldiers run in and screw us up with their brains. Analogue with the Finnish war. After her, the Red Army was seriously reformed.
It is much worse if all sorts of surprises were prepared for us by NATO in a big conflict.
The army, which did not fight and did not get in the face, is boiled in its own juice and is in illusions.

[A good one]

Quote: Arkady

Not only this. IL-20 was in the depths of the country. He was turned towards the location of Israeli aircraft and was not warned by Syrian air defense. In fact, the IL-20 was framed under the rocket that shot him down.

Arkady, shliby You are to the hut, to the house. Sadness and longing are fed up in your comments.

[Varaga]

Why are you, excuse me, "talking" some nonsense ?!
1. IL-20 was recalled immediately after receiving information from Israel about the upcoming airstrike.
2. Information about the place of impact was not true. The blow was struck in the region of Latakia, in western Syria, and the north of Syria was indicated.
3. Israel made a warning about the strike a minute before the strike.
All this distorted information (and in fact misinformation) led to the tragedy with our aircraft.
What are you lying all the time?! .. God is not Yasha - he sees who is in trouble. After all, he will punish the lie ...

[cyborg]

Another Jewish hutspa, turn everything upside down and pervert.

[Phoenix_L'vov]

Liar - the job of a scout to provide INFORMATION. Nobody put him under attack, but YOUR ACTIONS became the cause of his death.
The rocket that shot it down was aimed at an Israeli plane, but it was YOUR actions that led it to redirect to a more noticeable one.

[Mr Credo]

And if an offer was made that is impossible to refuse? Was such an option considered?

[Alsur]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: aszzz888

... war criminals sitting behind ....

Without justifying the actions of the Israeli side, do you have questions to the RF Defense Ministry? With what fright in the combat zone the most valuable aircraft was started to land from a 30-kilometer line? Where is the logic of this maneuver? What did the MOE really hope for "gentlemen's agreements"? So they only act among gentlemen.

And why are agreements made? According to Russian logic - to perform. And according to Jewish logic? And the plane was taken from north to south to escape from the attack, because the representative of Israel said that they would strike in northern Syria. In the east of Syria, Israel was not supposed to conduct any military operations.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ALSur

Why are agreements made? According to Russian logic - to perform. But by ..

Let's look at history, I think everyone will agree that RI / USSR / RF in the vast majority of cases was very sensitive to its international obligations, often sacrificing its "servants" in order to fulfill its promises. So maybe it's time to get used to relying only on yourself? I do not believe that the guys from -20 could not go "from the close", which is 1 km. One of the basic laws of tactics is not to repeat yourself. Why was he dragged 30 km? I will say a censure thing: maybe they just got used to being away from the authorities? For sloppiness is punished.
The crew is insanely sorry, but the local commanders from the VKS should share the blame for his death with Israel.

[cradle]

Is this kada it swollen? in the 15-17 centuries? Due to terror? Is the Holocaust?

[sleeve]

The radars of the complexes will immediately become the main target of the Jews. This is a real act of war, but they don't care. "Carapace" in Syria is enough to form a Mobile Mixed Group, so an extremely tense fencing on the verge of a foul is ahead. Moreover, the Syrians in the unfolded duel will be deprived of the opportunity to knock down hexagons over Israeli territory. Plus, the Israelis' DRGs are activated with the specific purpose of destroying the launcher complexes, but the road will be mastered by the one walking. The prize is clear sky from cheerful guys and, as a result, operational freedom. In this situation, the Americans will most likely remain on the sidelines, not revising the agreements on flight safety, but they will impose sanctions on us. And the flag is in their hands. But the Jews from amers ogrebutsya in full for the creation of such "parity" in the SAR.

[rocket757]

Of course, it is tempting to measure pee-pee-big batons, but it is better not to, and you can play it off.
All the same, the air defense of Syria will be in a very truncated version .... true, and the enemy's "window of opportunity" will be reduced, but they would not win more often than others, if they did not know how to find the optimal / effective options for influencing the enemy.
The main thing is that our capabilities, in fact, are very limited .... half-hearted or completely half-hearted measures, in relation to a serious adversary, lead to additional losses !!!
After all, they floated, let the bubbles go !!! I hope the responsible commanders remember and understand this?

[igorbrsv]

Yeah. It is unlikely that the Syrians will decide to attack manned vehicles, unless there is a direct danger to their military installations. IRGC Israel will continue to destroy with impunity. The Syrians will not be able to fight on two fronts. Still, Iran would have been supplied with S-400 subject to deployment in Syria. They would not be afraid to bring down everything that flies

[Mr Credo]

Well, Iran is already shooting down other people's drones! Yes, in fact, what does Iran lose besides its chains in the person of the USA and Israel? If it succeeds in creating the Russia-Iran-Syria alliance, it will be a good alliance! If you still connect India, Pakistan, China, then in general you get an explosive mixture! That leaves only a small question. How to do it?

[Varaga]

First you need to reconcile India and Pakistan.

[Avior]

Israel and Syria have had a war since 1948.

[Mr Credo]

If Israel and Syria have been fighting since the 48th year, why doesn't Syria bomb Israel?

[Arkady]

Since 1948 there have been 4 Syrian wars against Israel. In all wars it was defeated. Israel sold trophy Soviet equipment all over the world. As a result of the wars, Syria lost the territory of the Golan. Under the threat of a direct attack by the USSR, Israeli tanks did not enter Damascus. Since 1982, Assad has calmed down.

[moisha]

To Syria, the pipiska did not grow out to bomb anything more than the population of its country.

[meandr51]

Developed countries are bombed. The undeveloped land mines and shoot around the corner. But they called it terrorism and are fighting, fighting ... The fascists also fought with the partisans and called them bandits. It helped, but not much ...

[Mr Credo]

Jews raking from Washington !? But doesn’t it steer the Jewish lobby there? Can Jews put pressure on Washington?

[andj61]

Quote: sleeve

+12
The radar stations of the complexes will immediately become the main target of the Jews. This is a real act of war, but they don't care. "Carapace" in Syria is enough to form a Mobile Mixed Group, so an extremely tense fencing on the verge of a foul is ahead. Moreover, the Syrians in the deployed duel will be deprived of the opportunity to knock down hexagons over Israeli territory. Plus, the Israelis' DRGs are being activated with the specific purpose of destroying the launcher complexes.

I agree with you. That's just the performance, as it were, did not disappoint - it was from the Syrian side. Until now, the Arabs have not shown themselves capable of mastering the truly sophisticated Soviet and Russian technology. So it is quite possible that this S-300 is not a horse feed. And shitty use of S-300 by Syrians can serve as a negative advertisement for our military equipment. In my opinion, it would be worth our air defense group to strengthen and identify specific areas prohibited for flights. And in this case it is full of nuances, but this option is at least executable. The chosen option with the transfer of the S-300 to the Syrians may not even be implemented - the Israelis will bomb it even before being put on combat duty.

[igorbrsv]

Before the transfer of the S-300, this is our technology.

[meandr51]

S-300 is easier to control. I think it will be like in Egypt in the 73rd. Our calculations will be there ...

[Varaga]

Here! Words are not a boy, but a husband.

[Tarasios]

It’s one thing to shoot down missiles, another thing is missiles and planes that sent them ...

[Mr Credo]

Good comment! Can be supplemented. Russia there also threatened something. And the result! Not a single aggressor was hurt! But their own suffered! Then you start to doubt. And who are theirs? And who are the strangers? Downed Il is probably strangers !? Didn't you suffer any losses !? It's just like in "17 Moments of Spring". Let's drink to our Victory! And each thought of his own! I'm not joking. I'm quite serious. Who are theirs? Who are the strangers? There are many jingoistic patriotic slogans. But few people think about it. And if you think about it?

[meandr51]

But ISIS didn’t suffer too? VKS there for what, in fact, to fight with Israel or clean Syria?

[RusKosTen]

Another interesting point. Does the closure of all Syrian air defense to the Russian government do not mean the de facto announcement of a no-fly zone over the areas responsible for these delivered S-300s? As I understand it, the calculations will be Syrians with a presence from our officers and under our command? Those. if, theoretically, an American / Turkish / Israeli fighter is shot down, then all this will be presented as allegedly defensive actions by the Syrian air defense to ensure the protection of the sky of the Syrian sovereign state from unidentified aggressive objects, to which it has every right. And we just help them to do this, in the framework of international laws and other la-la and the UN. And the result is a no-fly zone.

[Gerklim]

The result of the downing of any aircraft is not important which country will be anti-Russian sanctions.

[Mr Credo]

Essentially true! And formally? The Syrians were shot down. Russia has nothing to do with it! Isn't the USA fighting like that? Outraged rebels ...! But in fact?

[meandr51]

The more sanctions, the better. The main thing is that China does not announce them to us ...

[Setrac]

Quote: GerKlim

The result of the downing of any aircraft is not important which country will be anti-Russian sanctions.

In any case, anti-Russian sanctions will be independent of the integrity of enemy aircraft.

[NEOZ]

Quote: RusKosTen

And the result is a no-fly zone.

the result is the third world ... last for humanity ...

[RusKosTen]

Soviet air defense calculations were already involved in Arab-Israeli conflicts, and shot down Israeli planes. This was not advertised, but everyone understands that it was precisely Soviet calculations. As you know, Israel did not declare war on us.

[Arkady]

But in the wars with Egypt and Syria, Soviet troops died for the sake of the desire of the Soviet leadership to destroy Israel. Read books about these wars.

[kuz363]

In June 1982, the largest aerial battle unfolded in the skies over Lebanon since World War II, in which hundreds of combat aircraft participated on both sides. During the battle, the Israeli Air Force literally wiped the Russian air defense systems off the face of the earth and knocked down more than eighty enemy MiGs in air battles. without losing a single plane. and seized dominance in the air.
At the same time, the largest air battle unfolded in the sky of Lebanon. On both sides about 350 aircraft participated in it, and at the same time in air battles they fought a mortal battle of 120-200 aircraft. The battle turned into a real slaughter: According to the Israeli military historian O. Granovsky, on June 9, Israeli fighter pilots shot down 29 Syrian aircraft, on June 10 the result of Israeli air victories grew by 30 more enemy aircraft, and on June 11 the enemy lost 19 more of their aircraft. In total, the Syrians lost 7 of their MiG-11, MiG-82 and Su-21 aircraft in air battles on June 23-22.

In this air battle, the Israeli Air Force did not lose a single aircraft. It was an absolute victory for the Israelis in the air. "Stunned" and "blinded" Syrian pilots fell under the sudden attacks of Israeli air-to-air missiles such as Sidewinder, Python 3, capable of hitting targets from long ranges and from various angles .

[milton]

I strongly advise you to read not only Israeli sources, because the "chosen ones" are extremely fond of exaggerating their victories and hushing up losses

[Mr Credo]

The third world is already coming! But! What is the most amazing! Without the use of nuclear weapons! Or are they considered those who made fortunes by stupid people?

[Wolf]

The other side should also think about the third world!

[meandr51]

Before the first and second, they also said so ... Russians and Jews will certainly survive!

[Mr Credo]

Such thoughts too! But what will be decided at the top!

[kashtak]

Quote: RusKosTen

Settlements will be Syrians with a presence with our officers and under our command?

Quote: RusKosTen

And the result is a no-fly zone.

the result will be the retraction into a protracted artificially supported Iran-Arab / Israeli conflict, the loss of the opportunity to engage in dialogue with both parties, and therefore influence the situation not only in this region of the region. loss of dialogue with Israel and through it with third countries, which in itself will complicate the counteraction to Ukrainian and Baltic neo-Nazism. what in return ?. Goals? tasks? possible consequences? moreover, it is necessary to realistically evaluate both all parties to the conflict and their actions. and do not break firewood which then will have to be raked for a long time.

[RusKosTen]

The result of this will be proof that Russia is capable of literally using shit and sticks, essentially a doomed people, to assemble the entire structure anew and give it life. I think this is a great precedent for the image of the state with far-reaching consequences.

Well, you need to put everyone in place, sit at the common table. One way or another, Israelis and Iranians need to be led to at least some kind of compromise. This can only be done by showing strength to both. And if you do nothing, it turns out that they will cover their games with the backs of our guys forever.

[cradle]

better terrible end than horror without end

[Ostup bender]

That is, is this the objective opinion of the Ministry of Defense that triumph and armor are less effective and less valuable than previous weapons made during the USSR?

[igorbrsv]

Why such a conclusion?

[Ostup bender]

The fact that something has already been deployed in Syria, if my memory serves me, which was loudly announced, and shook its fists.

[igorbrsv]

The S-400 covered exclusively our bases and coordinated the Syrian air defense system, so officially it seems to be. If about the incident with IL-20, then the question is slippery. It seems that he was not attacked, but framed. S-300 for Syria apparently will be sufficiently calculated

[Gerklim]

That's for sure. It was the case after the first sad episode. But the fist on the table, this is not a rocket for you on the plane.
And there were statements that carriers would also be destroyed, which could endanger the lives of our soldiers. But in fact, they remained unfounded statements.

[Mr Credo]

Declared and really manifested, different things! That with the plane really showed up. But what was stated, merged into the toilet! Statements and reality miraculously did not match! Question. Why?

[Ostup bender]

It was said that Damascus, its environs, and all significant infrastructure were reliably covered, and the aggressors now needed to think hard before attacking the defenseless Syrian army.

[igorbrsv]

Officially, Iran attacked Iranian targets. They don’t tell us more

[Mr Credo]

Well, this is not the first year we have defended our ally! But something is the result of protection is zero! Losses and the defendant and the defender! Maybe we have different concepts of protection? There are already doubts about who whose agent. Trump agent of Putin, or Putin agent of trump? Judging by the bombing of Syria, the agent must be Putin. Well, that's real. Syria is being bombed by all and sundry. Troops are introduced in the same way. So who is dancing to whose tune?

[NEXUS]

Quote: OSTup bender

It was said that Damascus, its environs, and all significant infrastructure were reliably covered, and the aggressors now needed to think hard before attacking the defenseless Syrian army.

Israelis hit warehouses and factories that Iran places in Syria. Now the Persians do it smarter, hiding it all under the Russian missile defense and air defense.
And in this story, claims are not only against Israel, but also against Iran. And the Syrian air defense nicknames were recognized by everyone, including our Ministry of Defense, by deciding to attach Russian officers to the calculations of these S-300s, which had to be done from the very beginning, since the experience of Vietnam spoke of this in two-meter letters. But this is just so for us ... until the SU-24 was shot down, our attack aircraft and bombers flew without cover, although the last down understands that this must be done. Just like with the history of IL-20 ... until the roasted rooster pecked, it didn’t reach our commanders that the Syrian rocket launchers were crooked. But after all, the bell was long before this incident, when the Israelis destroyed the Shell with a Syrian crew. And the conclusions were not made about the qualifications and professionalism of the Syrian missiles.
As for these deliveries of S-300 to the Syrians ... I think, in addition to the fact that our officers, the medium and small line of defense, that is, the Armor, TORs and Buki will be completely with Russian calculations behind the Syrians, now, so as not to get overtonit and new stories about our downed planes.

[Ostup bender]

It’s all like taking a breath in your mouth when you give it a breath.

[Mestny]

No.
This is an objective opinion that the enemy’s effectiveness of weapons has greatly increased since Soviet times.
Now it is necessary to demonstrate that in our country it has improved to the proper degree.
Calm down, breathe evenly.

[Mr Credo]

Well nifiga yourself a comment! # Now you need to demonstrate that we have improved it to the proper degree. # A good improvement in shooting down our planes !? I don’t understand something! Who is here and who are strangers?

[meandr51]

Don't panic? Googled how many Americans have filled up their own in the current wars. According to their own data, there are many times more victims of "friendly fire" than enemy fire. And did anyone say a word on this subject?

[meandr51]

It is very useful. This is a workout. All boxers train like that. Therefore, they win among adherents of non-contact and full-contact karate.

[Larum]

On the taimen MO several marks of missiles (like). And everything is not there. Thieves speak of 70 launches of the C200 and several C400.
So is it possible that something will change dramatically with the 300? And how much is the C300 and how much is the GBU-39 / B? and throws throw, as I understand, often from outside the territory of Syria ...

[igorbrsv]

. Thieves talk about 70 launches of C200

In my opinion they cheat every twenty. 70 launches of non-khukh-mukhra

[asv363]

Quote: Larum

and throws throw, as I understand, often from outside the territory of Syria ...

Here, I didn’t understand you a bit - what's the difference, where does the aggressor attack? If from his territory (airspace), he probably will have some technical advantage. Missiles, bombs and carriers need to be destroyed regardless of their location.

[meandr51]

Fairy tales. The Syrians do not have so many missiles. They are only 130 pcs. from the 80s set.

[shura7782]

The article is interesting, but I'm not a pro in the technical issues of this area. For the sake of clarity, I would like to clarify one detail. Does the S-200 after launching a missile illuminate a target throughout its flight? What will happen to the rocket if halfway off the backlight?

[region58]

Quote: shura7782

Does the S-200 after launching a missile illuminate a target throughout its flight?

Yes.

Quote: shura7782

What will happen to the rocket if halfway off the backlight?

in the absence of a signal from the target for five seconds, the seeker makes attempts to re-intercept, if the seeker has not found the target, then the command "as high as possible" is issued on the rocket rudders. The rocket goes into the upper atmosphere, and self-destruction occurs there. In general terms, so.

[shura7782]

Thanks for the science!

[Henderson]

How many similar articles have been about closing the sky and how enemies will not pass. But nothing has changed.

[Vladimir Sukhoi]

"at the Syrian S-300PMU crew"

I did not read further.

Let me ask you, are you going to fight with Israel?
It seems that at the next Victory Parade the Israeli leader will not be on the podium.
And who will be?

[rocket757]

Bo-o-big loss ??? However, there will be no kina, a kino ---- limped ...
And who on the podium will no longer matter, the main Schaub in front of the podium all sang and rumbled.

[Henderson]

History goes in a circle:
At a meeting of US and USSR delegations, a dispute arose over the coat of arms of the USSR.
“If you do not like our coat of arms,” says one of the delegates from the USSR, “what will you offer in return?”
- Cupid with arrows.
“Why Amur?”
- Naked, armed to the teeth and offers everyone his love.

[rocket757]

But sho, armed to the teeth is cool! It’s true that you don’t particularly look like naked, not all followers are older than Ivanov.
They are afraid, then respected .... as if!

[Henderson]

They would be afraid if Russian planes would not be shot down so simply.

[rocket757]

They are afraid and violate the agreement, these are different categories.

[Henderson]

To be afraid means to be afraid to break the contract as well. How Turks were not afraid to bring down the Su-24 and protect Idlib.

[rocket757]

Without radical judgment!
Because in the absence of reliable information, and most importantly. KNOWLEDGE on the topic, we get extreme ratings.
I really don’t like a lot, but since I HAVE long ago lost touch with events in that region, I can only guess .... and therefore, it would be better to see how it goes.
If we reasoned only for evaluating the actions of people in acc. with their mentality! You can rely on previous knowledge.
When modern politics interferes in events !!! Then Wang will not help!

[Prahlad]

Assad will take his place!

[Wolf]

There will not be that war! They taught the United States, the complete destruction of an undemocratic state.

[meandr51]

There will be no strangers. Like the 1945 parade

[madcripa]

I read everything! Very interesting and informative! Please remind me where these air defense systems were used in hostilities? Thank.

[Arkady]

The author and commentators have incorrect information about Syria. Pope Assad seized power in Syria by a military coup and rules it together with his people - the Alawites. 80% of the Syrian population are Sunni Arabs. The Alawites are a separate sect of Islam. When 80% of the population of Syria rebelled against the dictatorship of the Alawites with Asadoms, he was saved by Russian aviation and the ground army of Iran, together with his mercenaries.
Iran’s leadership is constantly and formally announcing that its goal is to destroy Israel. To do this, he needs to prepare for the war with Israel, the Syrian-Israeli border and build missile bases in Syria to shell Israel. Today, Israel seeks and destroys Iranian bases with weapons being prepared for war with Israel. At the same time, Iran wants to Shiite Syria, settling in Syria its Shiite mercenaries from different countries to the place of the Sunnis who fled.
Since 1967 there were 4 wars of Egypt and Syria against Israel. For all the war of the USSR, the armed forces of the Arab armies, the Soviet military were advisers in combat units and were directly involved in some wars. The last war was in 1982, when the Syrian army occupied part of Lebanon, the USSR created a dense air defense umbrella over this army. Israel defeated this umbrella. Now an umbrella is being created over the territory of Syria in order to provide Iran with unhindered Shiitization of the country and the preparation of a war against Israel.

[rocket757]

Those. the "chosen ones" are white and fluffy?
Emigration to Mars, here is salvation! True, neighbors may appear strange, but it's nothing .... the skill of the old Odessa Jew, it will help out of any situation, from ANYONE.

[Setrac]

Quote: rocket757

Emigration to Mars, here is salvation!

You probably can’t imagine how right you are!
The confrontation between Russians and Jews began with the defeat of the Khazar Khaganate. Jews fled to Constantinople (the very expulsion of Jews from Egypt), then they fled to Rome, Spain, Britain and the United States. Further run only into space.

[rocket757]

By the way, I do not wish them harm !!! I'm sure the old Odesky, Moscow .... a Jew will not disappear anywhere!
By the way, faithful in the foreseeable future, flights for orbit do not shine !!! Very much they were carried away by showdowns on the sinful earth !!! if only the caliphate in place of the geyropov did not break!

[Setrac]

Quote: rocket757

By the way, I do not wish them harm !!!

But nobody wants evil for them, maybe except for the Palestinians. They are for themselves evil.

[rocket757]

Quote: Setrac

They are for themselves evil.

The intricacies of life, they are, if they are! But the fact that a person can twist / twist it to himself simply cannot be comprehended!
There’s no one to take, it just seems that life is such a direct road, without holes and zigzags! They are not the only ones .....

[andj61]

Quote: Arkady

The author and commentators have incorrect information about Syria.

So you don’t agree everything either. For example, what is on Assad’s side now is full of Sunnis and Christians of various kinds, and not just Alawites.

Quote: Arkady

At the same time, Iran wants to Shiite Syria, settling in Syria its Shiite mercenaries from different countries to the place of the Sunnis who fled.

And this has already happened in the region! At the beginning of the 20th century, England to Palestine (many of the very Palestinians of Israel), and France to Syria brought a bunch of Sunnis from Africa (Egypt, Sudan, Algeria, etc.). They stayed there, and over time they became the majority. Also England and France laid a mine - and this is the same mine that laid the foundation of Israel). That is why the Bedouins and Maronites, who by all accounts are Arabs, do not consider themselves Arabs, not wanting to be "mixed" with newcomers.

Quote: Arkady

The last war was in 1982, when the Syrian army occupied part of Lebanon, the USSR created a dense air defense umbrella over this army. Israel defeated this umbrella.

At this time, Israel likewise occupied part of Lebanon - southern Lebanon. And about the air defense umbrella over Syria - so this is not a horse feed! Arabs have not shown themselves capable of coping with complex Soviet and Russian equipment. It is doubtful that they will succeed now. It would be worth strengthening the Russian air defense group - it would be much more effective!

[Arkady]

- Christians can be. But there are few of them in Syria. There can be no Sunnis. The war in Syria is a war of the Sunnis against the Assad sold by the Shiite. Assad has virtually no army. Air Force - Russia. Ground forces - Shiites from Iran and his mercenaries from different countries (Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan).
- And before, the main population of Syria (like Turkish colonies) were Sunni Arabs (Tarks are also Sunnis). Carpet bombing, Russian aviation mixed some of these Sunnis with concrete and earth. The rest fled. Now, on the conquered (diverted) lands, Shiites really will not allow the return of the Sunnis and Iran will populate these lands with Shiites from their mercenaries.
- In 1982, Soviet troops were sitting at control panels of air defense systems. Read their memories of how to watch carefully when on duty. We heard the sound of an approaching Israeli anti-radar missile - to have time to jump out and run to the side.
It's just that Israeli military equipment turned out to be better than Soviet ones. Has Russia decided to repeat this experiment today? Don't want to take Jews seriously? Don't you feel sorry for Russian blood? It seems that the "patriots" on Russian-language sites are happy, but they themselves will not go to war and risk their lives in Syria. Will show patriotism on the internet.

[cyborg]

Yes, not Israeli, but American technology .. And not better. Just the Arabs are completely useless warriors. We must go on the attack, and he will sit down and pray.
In 1982, the USSR did not fight seriously with you. They sent several calculations there that effectively shot down Jewish planes. Mock-ups were also installed, according to which the Jews launched rockets. The main thing is to immediately change the position after the shot, which ours did. True, one calculation was then lost. That is all your victories.
But there was a MIG-25 that flew over Tel Aviv at an altitude of 25 km. Neither Israeli anti-aircraft missiles (read American) nor Jewish planes (read American) could get it ...
After which the Jews became quiet / quiet for a long time. Well, right, what can fall from the sky there ?? Afraid, however ...
And now the calibers will just fly in, if something ...
Israel on the territory of a small country, but with a high population density. One or two charges and ...
Anyone can deliver them. And you all zal.upaetsya.

[Wolf]

Arkady Aktsia always affects the reaction. Look at the border of Israel in 1948. and now ? Even now, Israel does not have that state border? How does it turn out that in the light of the war, Israel is only needed?

[Arkady]

At the time of the founding of Israel, he recognized the borders of the United Nations. But the Arabs of Palestine and the Arab states declared war on Israel and sent armies to slaughter all Jews. The current borders - with Jordan and Egypt - are the borders established by a peace treaty with these countries. The remaining borders are the lines of armistice and the cessation of hostilities. The fact that these lines have become wider than the UN-approved Israeli borders is the result of Israeli military victories. So the USSR grabbed something as a result of its military victories. So it is not the citizens of the USSR to reproach Israel about its borders.

[shura7782]

Arkady, tell me, why was Iran so angry with Israel for the sake of it? What is your version?

[Arkady]

This is a difficult question. I will try briefly.
There is a fundamental rule of Islam: the whole world is divided into the land of Islam and the land of war, which Muslims have not yet conquered. In the land of Islam, only Muslims have the right to live. An exception was made for Christians, Jews, believers in Judaism, and Zoroastrians (I do not remember the exact name, but there is such a religion). People of these religions have the right to live in the land of Islam as second-class people, having restrictions on their rights and paying a special tax that they were allowed to live. People of all other religions and atheists must either accept Islam or be killed. In Muslim countries there are no atheists, communists, etc. Death is laid for an exit from Islam.
The existence of Islam violates this fundamental rule:
1). A non-Islamic state arose on the land of Islam.
2). This state was created by Jews - second-class people.
Therefore, Israel must be destroyed, and its Jews massacred. Israel says countries can lose wars. The winner will take the contribution. If Israel loses even one war, the end is to Israel and its Jews. An additional incentive to hate Jews is envy: Muslims in their development have lagged for centuries (if not forever) from Christian and Chinese countries. Israel is among the developed countries, its GDP per person is about 1,5 times higher than in the Russian Federation (Israel does not have mineral resources).
Therefore, since the formation of Israel, all Muslim countries have not recognized Israel and are at war with it. Only 2 Muslim countries recognized Israel and concluded a peace treaty with it - Egypt and Jordan. The leaders of both countries were killed for concluding peace with Israel.
Now Iran. It is led by orthodox Muslim clergy. It is natural for him that adhering to the norms of Islam is the most important thing in life. One of these norms is the destruction of Israel, which by its existence violated the norms of Islam. In addition, they hope that Iran will become the most important country in the Muslim world after the destruction of Israel. Well, the Muslim clergy of Iran will become the most important clergy of the Muslim world.

[cradle]

I forgot to calculate the help of mattresses per capita ... that’s the whole recipe for Israeli prosperity.

[cradle]

what kind of bullshit we write: at the same time, Iran wants to Shiite to Syria ... resettling its Shiite mercenaries from different countries in Syria to the place of the Sunnis who fled ... How do you imagine this resettlement? Like - they gave the dough (which Iran has less than Israel) and the people went to populate the desert? This Israel can afford to act this way in the Palestinian and Syrian territories (for mattress wrappers). You do not need to measure the rest on your own.

[meandr51]

So, everything is fine. This is a Middle Eastern sport like that.

[Alsur]

Quote: rocket757

Of course, it is tempting to measure pee-pee-big batons, but it is better not to, and you can play it off.
All the same, the air defense of Syria will be in a very truncated version .... true, and the enemy's "window of opportunity" will be reduced, but they would not win more often than others, if they did not know how to find the optimal / effective options for influencing the enemy.
The main thing is that our capabilities, in fact, are very limited .... half-hearted or completely half-hearted measures, in relation to a serious adversary, lead to additional losses !!!
After all, they floated, let the bubbles go !!! I hope the responsible commanders remember and understand this?

Another Israeli lawyer, you better remind your Israeli commanders of responsibility. Although it’s too late for the IL-20. Then it would be better to apologize. Work on this with your Israeli command.

[rocket757]

I don’t see much point in answering, but .... You can’t underestimate the enemy who is constantly, SUCCESSFULLY, conducting combat / pirate operations at the border of YOUR territory, rebuilding the necessary infrastructure and preparing the troops for this kind of military operations, which has the support of some neighbors and is very big brother from overseas !!! They have been leading THAT WAR for many years, into which we foolishly want / don’t want to get involved with our limited resources at THEIR piracy theater, with their HALF measures!
Again we will blow bubbles and what is finally scary, LOSE OUR WARRIORS!
You can continue to wave your saber and shout Hurray .... when you start blowing bubbles, God forbid bloody ones, you can remember that it ALREADY HAS happened to you too ...., they warned you in short.

[meandr51]

It is in our interests not to get involved in a big war and not to avoid the small ones. To train the army. Losses in war are commonplace. Without real fighting, progress is impossible. Only stagnation is possible.

[rocket757]

It’s hard, cynical, to say such a thing, but the war is the measure of all measures in the military sphere !!! Comprehensive and effective!

[Arkady]

Why do you believe the reports of your MO. This is pure fake. Themselves sent IL-20 under the Syrian missiles fired by permission of a Russian officer. This is obvious in the reports. Well, Jews are always to blame for everything, it has been so in Russia at all times.

[rocket757]

Why should we believe blah, blah your BBC and others like him?
For our mistakes, many former and current specialists perfectly understand .... I can say nothing about Arabs, I'm tired of writing, but there was a provocation / setup! This, too, is understandable to many without the reports of the Moscow Region ....
In short, not to consider yourself the smartest is very useful, but not many have been given it!
For anyone, no matter how wrong the warriors are, the teams come from the TOP!

[cyborg]

Yours should not be there at all. You brazenly invade a foreign space, without UN sanction bomb the sovereign state, and still dare to blame Russia. Indeed, the Russian Defense Ministry is guilty of the death of the aircraft, but only because they allowed you to fly in that area. Fly and bomb. And it was just necessary for you to close the sky with all the consequences. A few years ago, they could deliver Syria the S-300, but went to meet your government and did not. But in vain. Partnerships you do not appreciate. Agreements do not comply. Besides still brazenly lying.
You will have to answer for all this. And your hutspa will destroy you!

[rocket757]

Political games, all the more so the agreement of politicians, are always the nasty losses of their soldiers!
A soldier, commander, commander must have a clearly defined task within his capabilities!
These are all for me - there are moves, and here ne moves snow, an icicle, a grenade will fall on the head - in short, the crap is final!

[meandr51]

Are you upset that you did not punish the air defense leadership? Do not worry, punished. But that is none of your business. Your business is to pay for your part of this Marlezon ballet ...

[rocket757]

I gave the oath to the Great Country, the People of that country .... I gave my debt in full, she did not offend me either!
And in this country only MY PEOPLE, sitting upstairs, I don’t have ANYTHING ..... I haven’t been trained in Marlezon ballet, for me there is only an Officer’s waltz!

[Alsur]

Quote: Arkady

The author and commentators have incorrect information about Syria. Pope Assad seized power in Syria by a military coup and rules it together with his people - the Alawites. 80% of the Syrian population are Sunni Arabs. The Alawites are a separate sect of Islam. When 80% of the population of Syria rebelled against the dictatorship of the Alawites with Asadoms, he was saved by Russian aviation and the ground army of Iran, together with his mercenaries.
Iran’s leadership is constantly and formally announcing that its goal is to destroy Israel. To do this, he needs to prepare for the war with Israel, the Syrian-Israeli border and build missile bases in Syria to shell Israel. Today, Israel seeks and destroys Iranian bases with weapons being prepared for war with Israel. At the same time, Iran wants to Shiite Syria, settling in Syria its Shiite mercenaries from different countries to the place of the Sunnis who fled.
Since 1967 there were 4 wars of Egypt and Syria against Israel. For all the war of the USSR, the armed forces of the Arab armies, the Soviet military were advisers in combat units and were directly involved in some wars. The last war was in 1982, when the Syrian army occupied part of Lebanon, the USSR created a dense air defense umbrella over this army. Israel defeated this umbrella. Now an umbrella is being created over the territory of Syria in order to provide Iran with unhindered Shiitization of the country and the preparation of a war against Israel.

But rockets and bombs are falling on Syria and not ISIS at all. Judging by your logic, they are Sunnis, they have the right to cut their heads. And the Alawites are a sect to be reckoned with. And how do you determine what a sect is, what is not? Is Judaism a sect?

[Arkady]

1). Judaism is a religion. Within this religion, there are different sects, differently understanding the principles of religion.
Islam is a religion. The basis is the book of the Quran and a description of the life of the founder - Muhamed. There are sects inside. The main Sunnis and Shiites. There are also small ones. One of them is the Alawites.
Christianity is a religion. The basis is the Bible. But there are two main sects: Catholics and Orthodox.
You understood me wrong. I am opposed to cutting heads. But Orthodox Russians do not want to be led by Catholics or Jews. So the Sunnis do not want to be led by Alawites or Shiites.

[moisha]

Not the fact that the supply of C300 will change the situation. Unlike Russia, Israelis rely on technological superiority and high professionalism. And it works. Intimidating and throwing hats is the division of the current Russian army. In addition to the downed MN-17 and the so-called point bombing of the Syrians (about 3,5 civilians including children were killed, the Russian Defense Ministry did not recognize a single murder of civilians)

[Wolf]

Similarly, Mosh, the nada will simply be said if the big bell rings, the little ones must be silent. If someone let his voice into his fire. Is this your Arapian backstage tired of being beaten by a prisoner of death for 15 officers? Orthodox Slovenia try the good people, but when someone crosses the border, his skin costs a penny. About the death of the Russian officers, they were supposed to think more than the Russian Defense Ministry.

[cyborg]

Where is the evidence of Russia's involvement in the downed Boeing ??
Where is the evidence of the murder of 3,5 civilians ??
You should at least show some fake production, like white helmets do with Assad allegedly a chemical attack against a peaceful man. By the way, this fake is already surfing the net. But removed from YouTube. Do not know why?
But you have only one words ...

[meandr51]

What's the difference? If the S-300 screwed up - so much the better! Israel is not our enemy, for the Russian Federation it is not fatal. But ours will understand how to remake the system so that there are no surprises in a big conflict with NATO. If you sit and watch exactly, doing nothing, then you will definitely have to order a coffin ...

[Wizzzard]

The times of the toothless and vague responses of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense to the ugly actions of the enemy are coming to an end ...

1. Well, when will they come to an end?
2. So already "adversary" - and then there was both "partner" and "ally". So the United States can be written as opponents.
3. What "ugly actions"? Siberian Crane # 1 explained (a little bebek): "A coincidence"!
4. The two most popular (and popular among the people - PR works, yes) ministers could only give "toothless" and "vague" answers? And we gave them, Shoygo-Lavrov, how many likes we gave!
5. And up there, there are no other toothless ones? (On the part of external threats, of course. On rioting grandmothers teeth to fig and more.)

[Wizzzard]

... Attack of the Ukrainian militants on the Russian military unit near the Armyansk command and service station, captures of the fishing vessel Nord and the Mekhanik Pogodin motor ship, an attempt to cover the Donbass sweep from the armies under cover of Western PMCs, the UN contingent and NATO instructors republics and dissenting population and, of course, the recent start of the militarization of the Ukrainian artillery units of the Northern Azov Sea, which threatens navigation in the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov and creates a significant threat to the Coast Guard Federal Security Service of Russia. The absence of any measures to prevent the Black Sea Fleet and the State Border Service of the FSB of Russia from entering the Sea of ​​Azov of the Ukrainian search and rescue ship Donbass and the sea-going tug Koretz has a very serious "deep" trick, the details of which we will consider in our next reviews, and therefore, we recommend browsers to runet Do not rush to criticize our leadership in this situation. Everything is going well according to a verified plan.

I have a friend. He thinks about the same. Whatever happens - "Putin will give such a response!" Time passes, the GDP will either mumble through Peskov, or without a response at all ... Well, I say, Seryozha, so where is the response? No problem: "Ha! So that's the whole trick! Ukrainians (Americans, etc.) thought like me, but He wondered what!"

Those. in ANY (even the most shameful) scenario "everything goes well according to a verified plan". IS ALWAYS.

[meandr51]

The answer is given by bandits. Politicians think systematically and broadly. As the territory of Russia grows, its security grows. Separate losses are inevitable. In the Russian Federation, 20 thousand people die every year in road accidents. This is 500 times more than in wars. Does anyone care? It is worth dropping one plane a year, as soon as the hysteria of the pseudo-patriots.

[Alsur]

Quote: region58

Quote: ALSur

Representative of Israel reported

But our radars are not there, and we all take our word for it ... yeah ... And if the Jews didn’t tell us anything at all? Wouldn't we know? So what do you think?
PS Judging by the latest MO briefing, everyone saw and everyone knew who, where, why. Why the Syrians pulnuli - that’s the question. There are no excuses that our plane, after the rocket launch, didn’t roll into the firing sector - the speed of the SAM and IL-20 is incommensurable.

But the F-16 had the speed to go for the IL-20. You listened to a briefing of the Russian Defense Ministry!

[region58]

Quote: ALSur

But the F-16 had enough speed

Do not put the cart in front of the horse. With any, even theoretical, opportunity to get in one's own way - a start ban.
PS Although ... according to some reports, for example, half of Egypt's downed planes were shot down by Egyptian air defense ... mentality however ...

[meandr51]

Read how many of their planes were shot down by the Americans, how many of their own soldiers were killed by them, and their tanks were destroyed. They themselves give Old, which is many times more than the enemy. Mentality?

[Arkady]

In words, this can be done, but in life it can only be a Jewish superman. The truth is told to you by the Ministry of Defense, it can be seen from the words and figures.

[spectr]

Many words for which the truth is not visible. Too many factors coincided in a strange way.

[Alsur]

Quote: Mr Credo

Good comment! Can be supplemented. Russia there also threatened something. And the result! Not a single aggressor was hurt! But their own suffered! Then you start to doubt. And who are theirs? And who are the strangers? Downed Il is probably strangers !? Didn't you suffer any losses !? It's just like in "17 Moments of Spring". Let's drink to our Victory! And each thought of his own! I'm not joking. I'm quite serious. Who are theirs? Who are the strangers? There are many jingoistic patriotic slogans. But few people think about it. And if you think about it?

And ISIS, Al Qaeda is who is the ally or the aggressors all the same. Here they are suffering, you cannot deny this. In Syria, the war does not go with Israel, it is strange that you do not understand this.

[Alsur]

Quote: GerKlim

The result of the downing of any aircraft is not important which country will be anti-Russian sanctions.

That's just your hope, you yourself can’t, hiding behind your big brother. Here you become like Ukraine. She generally relies only on Western sanctions against Russia.

[kunstkammer]

Everything goes well according to a verified plan.

I understand that in the Azov direction we are waiting for when Bandera drown our ship or bring down our plane? Waiting, sir!
Oh, and our revenge will be scary ... The Ukrainian tomato will crush GDP, right in the Kremlin, to the sound of chirping movie cameras ...

[meandr51]

Exactly. Everyone pays for an excuse for war. For example, the Americans did not spare 5 thousand people in the towers of the WTC ...

[Alsur]

Quote: moisha

Not the fact that the supply of C300 will change the situation. Unlike Russia, Israelis rely on technological superiority and high professionalism. And it works. Intimidating and throwing hats is the division of the current Russian army. In addition to the downed MN-17 and the so-called point bombing of the Syrians (about 3,5 civilians including children were killed, the Russian Defense Ministry did not recognize a single murder of civilians)

And Israel has recognized the loss of the civilian population of Syria from its smart, precision, democratic munitions, recall?

[Arkady]

Israel does not bombard Syria with carpet bombing. He uses special high-precision ammunition, shoots at proven targets to reduce civilian casualties.

[Phoenix_L'vov]

Your gut is thin, you have to mass bomb something, one of your aircraft has already been shot down, shot down and more!

[meandr51]

Everyone says like that.

[Vladimir Sukhoi]

Judging by the comments, dear Russians are ready to fight the whole world, endure the deprivation of wartime and, until the last dear Russian, support the criminal roselit.
It’s not even that now no leader of the civilized world will come to the next Victory Parade.
The blockade, however, is writhing.
In the whole civilized world you are considered plagued. They will lower the iron curtain and organize a sanitary cordon around the plague zone. And your hydrocarbons will refuse to buy, so as not to get dirty.
Reliance on one's own strength - it certainly sounds good and proud, this is if there are forces. Do you have enough strength to survive the isolation of a Russian woman’s enclosed space?

[NordUral]

Russia is not going to fight with anyone, Vladimir. And even more so, substitute, as your pilots did, either on their own, or by order. And with those who are now in power we will deal with, the people begin to wake up. In the elections, if we have time, or in another way. So do not confuse the country and people with those that are temporarily in power in the country.
And about the "civilized" world, you are too late to educate us, you have already gorged on this civilization.

[meandr51]

There are, there are, do not hesitate, an emigrant. As a result, it never seemed to anyone a little ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Vladimir Sukhoi

It’s not even that now no leader of the civilized world will come to the next Victory Parade.

That looped with the parade ... Okay, let's go, we’ll write off for the fall. Now according to Borshchev:

Quote: Vladimir Sukhoi

The blockade, however, is writhing.

But with this it is very neat and careful - so, for future advice, a runner. From Leningrad advice. If you, who are ready to sell and buy everything, including your Homeland, have nothing sacred except a bundle of cut paper, then you can only regret it. Yes, only pity ... mixed with disgust.

Quote: Vladimir Sukhoi

In the whole civilized world you are considered plagued.

And, a bunch of corrupt hutspots - the civilized world ... Well, let us know ...

Quote: Vladimir Sukhoi

And your hydrocarbons will refuse to buy, so as not to get dirty.

In, again ... Either for money or for resources ... Either an unreasonable child, or vice versa ...

Quote: Vladimir Sukhoi

You have enough strength to survive in the solitude of a confined space

Yes, there are. We have a lot of things, and many "have-nots" are just jealous of this - they are not given something. And you, honey-check, I see, claustrophobia in an acute, neglected form.

[Maverick1812]

Sounds nice! But who will give the command for use ?! Putin will give the command to shoot down the Jews ?? !! You are making me funny ... A person, God forbid, who pressed the "START" button, the Jewish special services will find out of the ground (this is not even Chechen prosecutors for you), Hope for the protection of the Great and Terrible Guarantor of all Guarantors of Money ??? !! ! Yes, I beg you, who is he himself ?? !! But the fact that the "friend or foe" equipment will be taken out "over the hill" and it will not be in the most responsible hands, does not worry anyone ?!

[meandr51]

In 1973, our Jews were shot down in bundles. And then they gave the interview. So what? Worse than a beast cat?

[vit357]

Let's say it bluntly: Israel was NEVER our friend and ally, and his recent actions only confirmed that he was an enemy and it was time to cover the Syrian sky and the borders of Syria.

[Arkady]

On the contrary: since 1953, the USSR and the Russian Federation, never offered Israel to be an ally. Moreover, the USSR organized and participated in 4 wars against Israel. Israel has never done any military action against the USSR, the Russian Federation.

[meandr51]

It’s just because we don’t have a common border. And in the Middle East, Israel has always defended the interests of the United States and England to the detriment of the interests of the USSR and Russia.

[16112014nk]

As they say, we stock up on patience and popcorn.

[Decrepit]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just noticed that Israel has already stopped boasting about its "iron dome" (as in 2013))))
And they are terribly afraid of the appearance in Syria of an echeloned air defense under the control of Russia .. These are not water pipes launched in their direction!
In fact, if nevertheless Shoigu puts it and Putin does not backtrack before the cunning netanyahu ..
The airspace of Israel will be completely under the control of Syrian air defense .. Not a single bastard will just fly there and if it is bombed, they will kill it at the landing .. And all this will be written that where and when that violated and who was shot down!
The world would be in Syria, I think would be quickly established and would be engaged in restoration ..

Although the video is old, it says a lot ..
PS New ones are not allowed, only the "white helmets" of the rascals ..))) This is how the brains are washed
Think guys what’s what and why ..

[Arkady]

And you yourself have applied to participate in the closure of Israel? or let others risk their lives for you?

[NordUral]

Nobody is going to close you. Stop ironing Syria and everyone will forget about you.

[meandr51]

Well, that’s the main argument! The answer is simple: they will call - let's go and close. Yes, and slam the lid ...

[NordUral]

The point is not so much in technology as in the determination of the supreme command.

[Brigadier]

What and-d-and-o-t will shoot at enemies who do not put a penny neither you nor your border, knowing that your capital is stored on the territory and in the banks of the same "enemy".
So Putin will not do this either. He will put a couple of complexes in Syria in order to scare the Jews for a while, and then everything will be as usual ... He will again only threateningly "warn" his capital holders, and for the thousandth time we will rub in that "this is how the circumstances "as in the IL-20 ...
Another "blah blah blah" Putin ... nothing more ... Again, the GDP will be limited to a formidable puffing of cheeks. We are already used to it ... Everything is as usual ...
This is "Putin's" Russia and not Trump America ...
This and that! Feel the difference!

[margo2000]

"Technical gaps" - Israel sneezed at your technical gaps, it does its job and is quite successful.

[CERBERFOL]

Everyone remembers the Kursk and how they lied to us from blue screens. What has changed now ?! IL-20 Shot down with an Aster 30 missile from a French frigate. In order for Russia to begin to act as NATO needs. BUT Russia began to act, as it is necessary for itself, namely, they blamed Israel for everything and closed the sky for the Israeli Air Force

[mvg]

Aster 30 rocket was shot down from a French frigate

There is no Aster 30 on the French version of the frigate.
https://topwar.ru/21807-mnogocelevoy-fregat-klassa-fremm.html
Aster 15 only. Range of 30 km. Far from Il'a.

[CERBERFOL]

And of course, the black box with IL-20 disappeared without a trace. And even if they find it and decrypt it, then we still will not find out the truth.

[mvg]

at a distance of 170-180 km and to ensure the launch of SAM 48N6E2 from a similar distance

Eugene burns seriously. At least once in history, a target, such as a "fighter" with an RCS of 1.5 m2 was shot down at a distance of at least 50-100 km? Delilah has a range of 250 km.

[alexnmv5]

From 300 to Syria, of course, it’s good, but why all the time measures are taken after such irreparable losses. Before than you thought? Bum? I am sure that everyone understood the inevitability of such incidents. Why didn’t they do anything ahead of schedule? This is an absolute irresponsibility to their soldiers. Unfortunately, the attitude towards people, in fact, has not changed after the Second World War.

[Desperado]

Yes, everything is simple, I did not want to get into my ears. With 300 far from being a panacea, Israel promised that if these complexes were deployed, it would destroy them. We are waiting for an answer, let's see how far they go.