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Women become members of US submarine crews

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The US Navy is half way through its program designed to replenish women’s submarine crews. For two years, twelve female officers have already served on two submarines, and the female contingent of two more submarines is currently being trained. The current training involves the service of a more experienced female officer (usually lieutenant, O-3) as a mentor to two ensigns (O-1) on the submarine. The second dozen female officers will be integrated for service on the submarines in the same way as the first.

Women become members of US submarine crews


Three years ago, the Maritime Academy conducted a survey among its female cadets to find out how many of them would like to join the underwater service. About two dozen expressed a desire to study at one of the seven specifically for this dedicated courses at the academy. The fleet initially sent women to nuclear-powered submarines with ballistic missiles and nuclear-powered submarines with anti-ship missiles, mainly because these large boats have enough space to provide separate facilities for women. Ohio class SSBNs are also large enough to make such rooms easy for women. Each SSBN has two crews alternating every 77 days. Between the hikes during 35 days, the boats at the pier undergo the necessary maintenance and supply procedures.

One good reason to allow women to serve underwater navy is the growing shortage of men willing to do this. Four years ago, the Naval Academy graduated only 92 male officers for the submarine fleet, while 120 was required. Submariners in the US Navy must be volunteers and meet strict physical, psychological, and academic requirements.



This is not the first time that female naval officers will serve on American submarines. There were already twelve qualified submariners of female officers in the US Navy, when the fleet decided to introduce women to active military service on submarines. That is, these twelve have undergone all the necessary training for serving on a submarine. Before becoming part of the crew, much more boat training is needed, but these women were qualified to serve only for short periods. These women were technicians and served for short trips on submarines, sharing double cabins. Other fleets (Australia, Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Norway) allow women to serve on submarines, but not in all of these countries, if any, women actually choose this type of service voluntarily.



The US Navy is in a unique situation, mainly because of the duration of the campaigns (even submarines are in campaigns for a month or more). Countries that allow women to serve on submarines have non-nuclear submarines, which are much less time at sea for each cruise. Women in these boats were accustomed to a lack of privacy, and both sexes were able to adapt, as was the case with mixed crews of surface ships.



However, the wives of American submariners openly hostile to the idea of ​​mixed male / female crews and tried to make their fears heard. What worries officer wives? It is known that sex. They know that this happens on surface ships with mixed crews, and that this was the cause of the breakup of some marriages. Submarine service is even more claustrophobic and stressful. And there is much less space than surface ships for those who want to secretly have sex. But, despite the ban, on all ships of the US Navy sexual relations still occur.



The problem of the location of female submarine personnel seems overvalued, since in the other fleets, one or two screens are simply used to separate men and women. Officers and senior sergeants have separate headquarters, and if women still have the right to serve on American submarines, then, first of all, they will be female officers, because it is them who are experiencing the greatest shortage. Not many men are willing to go through all the training and tests to qualify for service as a sailor in the Premier League and, probably, even less women will be interested in these posts.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 26 May 2012 08: 11
    +8
    Here I can’t accept the female gender in the service-I can’t kill!
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 26 May 2012 08: 15
      +7
      This is all, not the army, but a solid ... dare! Remained a call to announce from the age of seven and democracy at the highest level.
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor 26 May 2012 09: 35
        +14
        Well, you are so strict.
        They are fighting in this way with blueness in the ranks of their army. Otherwise, soon - in general alone ... gays .... they will serve there, they will spoil all the remaining normal soldiers !!! belay wassat
        And so you look - the birth rate will also jump! laughing
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 06
          +1
          Gays serve in all the armies of the world, they just hide it. Urgent passed in due time and Peskov, and Boris Moiseev. And studies show that the number of homosexuals of one gender or another in society remains approximately equal regardless of the country: it’s just hidden somewhere, somewhere not.
          1. Su24
            Su24 12 March 2013 03: 05
            -2
            nonsense, ideological support of tolerance
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 26 May 2012 10: 36
        +6
        Quote: Sergh
        This is all, not the army, but a solid ... dare!

        Well, in the title of the news, the error was originally laid down, I quote:Women become members of US submarine crews, not members - bodies.
      3. Opertak
        Opertak 26 May 2012 12: 19
        +12
        The stupidest decision! The American fleet annually suffers massive non-combat losses in the form of pregnant women soldiers, although this is most strictly prohibited by the terms of the contract. The main losses are aircraft carriers. But if there the replacement of an ordinary specialist is not particularly problematic (although material losses amount to tens of thousands of dollars), then replacing the SSBN commander is not always realistic.
        Although ... getting pregnant with such a gun ... is also problematic. IMHO.
        1. Splin
          Splin 26 May 2012 12: 36
          +15
          After six months in the tank. Yes, there they will rush at it without vodka.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 09
            +1
            After six months of hard work on a submarine?
          2. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 27 August 2012 19: 21
            +1
            Quote: Splin
            After six months in the tank. Yes, there they will rush at it without vodka.


            when in the distant 90s I went to the Okhotsk and North Kuril expeditions (fishing for pollock and squid, 6 and 4 months without a shore), the following saying was born in my head - "If a ship's woman began to seem beautiful, then definitely it's time to go home!" laughing
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 08
          0
          There is such a thing - contraceptives. And the number of such cases is not so massive, although it is present on a regular basis. Basically, the connections of different parts of the military personnel are simply revealed.
          1. chukapabra
            chukapabra 27 May 2012 19: 33
            -1
            Quote: Pimply
            There is such a thing - contraceptives. And the number of such cases is not so massive, although it is present on a regular basis. Basically, the connections of different parts of the military personnel are simply revealed.

            In general, they fuck everywhere and in all armies (regardless of whether they serve women or not) There are restrictions (according to the charter), but how can you limit young people? Well, who forgot about contraceptives - there is no place for fools in the army.
            Although in our army, on the course of a young fighter, the bulk of the instructors are girls. So they they (young) so fuck up for the day that I do not know if they want something other than just stupidly to sleep. Well, in the active forces, they’ll catch at the base - a month of arrest. But it helps a little, whoever wants to find it, and the bulk of them go home for the weekend, there is always a place to meet.
        3. chukapabra
          chukapabra 27 May 2012 19: 28
          0
          Quote: OperTak
          The stupidest decision! The US Navy suffers massive non-combat losses annually in the form of pregnant women military personnel, although this is strictly prohibited by the terms of the contract

          And who needs such a nuclear submarine commander (or rather such) that for the sake of sex she’s ready to break the contract (charter), etc. For free, for free civil bread - forward. So the army is not for you. All the years of studying down the drain. In my opinion, the army will only gain by getting rid of such an undisciplined officer (by the way, they hurried about the submarine commander). It’s about 15 years that I’d have to swim to get to such a position,
    2. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 26 May 2012 09: 40
      +17
      And what, the cool crew of the American boat will be -50% women, 50% homosexual. No mercy to wait for anyone!
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 26 May 2012 11: 20
        +14
        Moving away from sexual issues, I propose to consider the psychological issue. Everyone probably observed the "breakdowns" of women during the PMS period or women "with undere ... m" (otherwise I don’t know what to call it, "dissatisfaction" is not suitable smile ) So imagine such a specimen, in difficult plichological conditions, on a nuclear submarine that has access to weapons or mechanisms on which the life of the entire crew depends !!! wassat Just OUT !!! recourse In general, amers with their "democratic" thinking will soon reach the point of manning carriages with donkeys and goats for zoophiles, corpses for necrophiles, etc., etc. for other -philes smile
        There was an article recently about the lesbian marriage of two "officers" who serve on an aircraft carrier. This was presented as another "promotion of democratic values" lol
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 11
          +1
          A failure of men just like that, for no reason? Do not make me laugh. Much depends on the psychological preparation of a particular person, his endurance and adequacy. They have been running the program for several years. If it had not yielded positive results, it would hardly have continued.
          1. Opertak
            Opertak 26 May 2012 17: 36
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            Do not make me laugh. Much depends on the psychological preparation of a particular person, his endurance and adequacy.
            Your laughter is sad - when a woman commits a criminal offense, the state of PMS is an MITIGATING circumstance even in the COURT! Those. The USA OFFICIALLY have one rabid nuclear submarine commander in the Navy once a month.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 26 May 2012 17: 43
              0
              A little more in detail, plz, about the court
              1. Opertak
                Opertak 26 May 2012 23: 42
                +2
                And what is more - read the Criminal Code, Ch.10, Art.61 p.2. On it, female killers fly by for less than the minimum, if the doctors fuss, i.e. help will be given that the woman was in a state of PMS. Proven in practice.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 26 May 2012 23: 45
                  0
                  Brilliant. Just like a man under certain circumstances - affect, etc. AND?
                  1. Opertak
                    Opertak 27 May 2012 11: 33
                    +2
                    Yes, the state of affect. And a good lawyer will always get a female judge to consider this case.
                  2. Che
                    Che 31 May 2012 08: 32
                    +1
                    Pimply,
                    Yes, Amer is only against your objection. And really hang yourself from such a wench. It's not like that. The most seasoned and persistent man will howl.
          2. Joker
            Joker 27 May 2012 10: 00
            +1
            You are a fighter for women's rights. How will I look?
          3. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 27 August 2012 19: 25
            0
            Of course, I served in the Navy (but only in naval aviation), but I left the seas for 10 years))) As I wrote above, the longest is 196 days without a shore at all! So, basically, the accidents did not happen due to disruptions - the team to whom I belonged did not have such, but because of the chronic indifference and carelessness of certain individuals! And that is mainly among the "willow" - ie. unskilled sailors))
        2. Joker
          Joker 27 May 2012 00: 26
          +3
          For that, Alexei gays in the army you look and they will have less laughing I remember somewhere half a year ago on the Internet, the news was that the US military filmed porn smile so I think women should not have problems with the second point laughing
          There was an article recently about the lesbian marriage of two "officers" who serve on an aircraft carrier.

          seen unsuccessfully hit laughing there are no normal men left laughing
        3. Bear52
          Bear52 27 May 2012 01: 46
          +1
          Bravo, Aleksey67 !!! "+" And funny and fair! drinks
    3. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 26 May 2012 13: 20
      +3
      Because it’s not normal ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 11
        0
        What exactly is this abnormal?
        1. Aventurinka
          Aventurinka 26 May 2012 15: 42
          +2
          I painted a little bit lower there that you and I have not yet discussed in previous topics on this subject.
    4. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 26 May 2012 13: 59
      +1
      infringe on women's rights, you can be sent to the Hague Tribunal for this))))
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 03
      -2
      Is there a clear reason? wink Or just "the soul hurts"?
      1. 755962
        755962 26 May 2012 16: 38
        +2
        Women have a non-trivial view of things. How to know, how to know .. Although you won’t especially get sick under the charter of the sea ...
    6. valton
      valton 26 May 2012 17: 58
      +4
      It's called American show-off. They show the whole world what kind of "democracy" they have.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 18: 14
        +1
        You cite the example of Pakistan, where there is a female pilot of combat aircraft? Israel, Britain, a few dozen countries where women have adequately and long been serving in the army?
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 27 May 2012 00: 09
          +7
          In my opinion, women should give life, educate and cherish it; and not taking it away while serving on the nuclear submarine or elsewhere is unnatural.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 27 May 2012 10: 45
          +5
          Quote: Pimply
          dozens of countries where women have adequately and long been serving in the army?

          Well, how is it to adequately serve nearby?
          1. lcalex
            lcalex 27 May 2012 15: 51
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            Well, how is it to adequately serve nearby?

            Here is a picture wassat Antiresno girls dance - hardly four love

            Yes, heels ... Virtuosos drill wink
          2. phantom359
            phantom359 28 May 2012 12: 36
            +2
            APASUS, so these are the same cops. They do not dance sideways to the fleet. A completely different job.
    7. kontrzasada20
      kontrzasada20 27 May 2012 15: 39
      +1
      Not, maybe it's homosexuals, because they simply cannot be called men as men, and the normal male team rejects them, and so they have come up with an excuse. In general, this is complete morality, a profanation of heavy naval service.
  2. leon-iv
    leon-iv 26 May 2012 08: 32
    +3
    Even scary some apple
    1. patline
      patline 26 May 2012 09: 23
      0
      On the top photo, like wow. I would have somersaults. smile
      1. Alexander Petrovich
        Alexander Petrovich 26 May 2012 16: 47
        -1
        imagine this face in bed))
    2. kontrzasada20
      kontrzasada20 27 May 2012 15: 54
      +1
      My friends, what am I supposed to think about, what oath to the devil, when she’s like this, she rises on one knee. recourse
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 27 May 2012 15: 58
        +2
        Quote: kontrzasada20
        My friends, what am I supposed to think about, what oath to the devil, when she’s like this, she rises on one knee

        And the concept of saluting "them" is different laughing
        1. Che
          Che 31 May 2012 08: 40
          +1
          Aleksey67,
          Commands differently wassat
  3. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 26 May 2012 08: 35
    +7
    Quote: Ardent

    Here I can’t accept the female gender in the service-I can’t kill!

    I understand you! In such cases, the submarine is killed not by the enemy, but rather by a woman. Even Korolev said that in men’s affairs women have no place!
    1. Professor
      26 May 2012 08: 45
      +1
      Even Korolev said that in men’s affairs women have no place!


      1. During the Second World War, women fought on equal terms with men! And now, in some countries, women are in military service no worse than men.
      2. Does it bother you when women in peacetime in one famous country carry sleepers and lay asphalt?
      1. Tjumenec72
        Tjumenec72 26 May 2012 09: 55
        +5
        Professor no one freezes them. It happened in the dashing 90s (which indicates the fortitude of OUR WOMEN), but there is almost no such thing.
        And it is not at all the severity and responsibility of the service (which they may well succeed in), but the gender qualities of the employee.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 17
          0
          What does it mean - in the dashing 90? There is still a pancake, and it was not only in 90, but also in 80, 70, 60, etc. I say from the experience of the service that a woman is able to carry her no worse than a man, and sometimes better, because in some matters she is able to show great endurance, analytical talent, attention to detail. The employee’s gender qualities have nothing to do with it, although they can play a certain role, but not everyone has it. Personal qualities play the main role - that’s what you need to build on
      2. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 26 May 2012 10: 25
        +5
        I can’t get past the professor so that he wouldn’t get into a direct hypnosis.
        1. Professor
          26 May 2012 10: 30
          -8
          hypnosis

          This is a diagnosis. wassat
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 26 May 2012 10: 37
            +6
            Do you speak a diagnosis? here it is how? then it’s still necessary to cheer once the diagnosis is made.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 17
            -3
            That's for sure, and don't say laughing
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 26 May 2012 13: 53
          +6
          Oleg !
          They made laugh, I didn’t laugh for a long time)))))))))))))))))))
          The fact is that after one discussion with the professor and I have a hand stretching all the time, only conscience does not give, hints, torment))
          1. Professor
            26 May 2012 14: 08
            +2
            Why, dear, you will not give an example from that discussion? Where do you write that statistics do not need anyone at all, and Uranus’s health care is almost above the European level, and figures with monstrous child mortality in Iran and low life expectancy also mean nothing. wink
            "I have all the moves written down" laughing
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 26 May 2012 15: 03
              +2
              No dear professor is not that discussion !!
              and no need to misinterpret!
              I wrote that the statistics you provided do not reflect reality!
              and I continue to claim that Iran’s healthcare has taken a big step forward!
              and be at a fairly high level!
              Alas, because of the machinations of one villain, all my old posts have been deleted!
              So you are unlikely to show my moves recorded by you!
              and in the previous comment I meant a completely different discussion!))
              but plus, albeit reluctantly for a good memory))
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 26 May 2012 19: 12
                -2
                In the 2009-year - on the 93-m place in the world, according to WHO.

                The rating is based on:

                1. life expectancy;
                2. mortality;
                3. accessibility of health care and equality in this area;
                4. provision of hospital beds and medical staff;
                5. share of health care expenditures in the country's GDP.

                The place, if the memory does not change, has not actually changed since the 1997 year
      3. Igor
        Igor 26 May 2012 10: 28
        +9
        Quote: Professor
        1. During the Second World War, women fought on equal terms with men!


        Then the big war was a Professor, then any human resources were worth its weight in gold, then the children worked in defense plants, but this does not mean that now we need to attract children to production, as well as with women.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 20
          -1
          That is, in difficult times - they are needed, maybe the enemy is afraid of them, of them excellent snipers, pilots, tankmen, and when everything is calm - they can go to FIGs, they are not able and can not, they are tortured by PMS, they will go crazy, and in general - spoil the whole holiday? So?
      4. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 27 August 2012 19: 37
        0
        Quote: Professor
        . During WWII, women fought on equal terms with men

        Quote: Professor
        in one famous country they carry sleepers and lay asphalt


        respected! Do not compare the work of a sniper, or an airborne gunner on the Il-2, where in case of an error, 1-2 people will die (including the culprit herself) and work on the nuclear submarine! Namely, of ALL vehicles created on the planet Earth (including space), nuclear submarines are considered the MOST complex! And there the mistake of one (in the same PMS state or simply because of emotional thinking) can be very expensive !!!! Think of the "blondes behind the wheel"!

        Further - in the history of the USSR and probably in Russia there was one woman who worked as a captain of the merchant fleet! Anna Shchetinina! I think the fact is known to many! BUT!! I had the "honor" to work out a contract with one captain, who in the distant years began with her as a third mate (he showed pictures, and why the honor of quotes? Yes, because he was drinking beyond measure and punching his brain out of business)! So, in his own words, it was "a man in a skirt!" No one perceived her as a woman! )) But this is not a rule, an exception!
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 13
      -1
      Hitler also carried the same nonsense. Will we listen to him? Inertia of thinking and inability to change is much worse for the same fleet than a woman on a submarine.
      1. Bear52
        Bear52 27 May 2012 01: 52
        +2
        However, dear Pupyrchaty, he carried something, but Hannah Raich exalted and did not kick out of the plane into the kitchen tongue
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 27 May 2012 02: 31
          -2
          So the Führer was not in propaganda.
    3. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 27 August 2012 19: 31
      0
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      I understand you! In such cases, the submarine is killed not by the enemy, but rather by a woman. Even Korolev said that in men’s affairs women have no place!

      yes, something like that, especially after Tereshkova's flight! When, after landing, she took a crinkle of milk from some grandmother before she! And ..... and almost the entire flight program and millions of money down the drain !!!! In the sense of experiments to study the effects of flights on the female body! The only thing left is to beat antlers in the style - "the first woman in space" !!!
  4. apro
    apro 26 May 2012 08: 53
    +4
    If a woman is in uniform, then the country is either a war or a disaster. A very good book on the topic of Didenko Zverinny grin on feminism is highly recommended. Yes, off topic during the service there was a front drill of the division’s management and there was a clothing and clothing division in uniform with uniforms like them the leg was pulled by women in their 40s and 50s as a divisor was cursing .... sorry then there were no cell phones.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 23
      +1
      Shagistics is naturally the main thing. what should a soldier do. This is unambiguous. A swearing commander is an example of an officer. I served with women who served in military posts. And, for the most part, they were often more adequate than many men.
    2. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 26 May 2012 15: 53
      +2
      Quote: apro
      If a woman is in shape, then in the country there is either war or trouble.

      I totally agree.
  5. ward
    ward 26 May 2012 09: 17
    +7
    According to the psychotype, a man is a hunter .... a woman is a little different ... under stressful situations, a man exudes adrenaline ... women have non-adrenaline ... in short, in which case ... not for nothing from ancient times women on a ship unfortunately .. so it seemed that they pushed them hard if they came to such a life ...
    1. Splin
      Splin 26 May 2012 12: 40
      +1
      I agree. Babu just wedge from fear. She can easily faint. Naturally there are different people, but the static majority are.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 27
        -2
        That is why stupid Americans take women in the fleet. They do not know how to think, apparently, therefore. Testing the programs yielded clearly bad results, but they decided in a dope - and figs with them, with the results! Let's take crazy women
    2. morehod73
      morehod73 26 May 2012 13: 22
      +1
      Mutated American ...
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 28
      -1
      Is it possible in more detail about stress? There is an indication of the study. And, in particular, about the positive and negative effects of adrenaline on decision-making - there were wink
    4. Roman 75
      Roman 75 26 May 2012 16: 35
      +1
      Quote: ward
      According to the psychotype, a man is a hunter .... a woman is a little different ... under stressful situations, a man exudes adrenaline ... women have non-adrenaline ... in short, in which case ... not for nothing from ancient times women on a ship unfortunately .. so it seemed that they pushed them hard if they came to such a life ...


      Another expert biologist who made happy the interlocutors with the fact that, it turns out, during stress, a hormone is produced in women butнadrenalin?
      Well, firstly, you are our competent, it is developed by them butрadrenalin... Nonadrenaline is a product produced by today's general illiteracy. It is produced by "Fursenko's gland".
      Secondly - I will tell you a terrible medical secret. Norepinephrine is produced both in the organisms of women and in the organisms of men. It’s all about the individual ratio of a hormone (you can easily check this by passing tests for hormonal balance).
      1. Splin
        Splin 26 May 2012 19: 29
        0
        I'm not in science .. have you seen a woman driving? They drive better, more accurately, but in difficult situations, she is in a stupor. Especially when traffic jams especially when it is necessary to reverse. I saw when I threw the steering wheel out of fear and covered my face with my hands. It’s good that they were in a traffic jam ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 19: 47
          0
          And I saw women race car drivers. Which in critical situations act quite adequately. Really cool?

          And my girlfriend drives so that most men envy. Therefore, let us define by personal qualities, and not by what sex a person is.
          1. Splin
            Splin 26 May 2012 20: 02
            +1
            I am 18 years behind the wheel (-3 years). I saw many women drivers. My wife drives well, and indeed women are good drivers. Of course, there are racers, but this is rather an exception to the rule. In a critical situation, a woman acts more emotionally, and therefore drive more accurately.
    5. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 27 August 2012 19: 49
      0
      Quote: ward
      not for nothing from ancient times, women on the ship unfortunately


      Do you believe not? But! There was a case in the 97th year! So we are working on a trawler in Okhotsk, things were going by spring! It seems that we are working like this normally, we get into trouble for the umpteenth time, pollock is rushing, share is dripping! And then, one day, on a fine day, our baker (ship baker) came out for a walk on the fishing deck! We were in the hall (i.e., the bunker was full of fish for processing, and the gut was still full on the deck). And go straight along the cooked trawl! I went out remember the stern post speakerphone check.
      And our senior trawl (senior trawl master) sees how this person makes a promenade, distorted him like vinegar, he grabbed a piece of iron and launched it directly (it was difficult to miss because of the dimensions of that madame but it blew through)!
      As a result, you will not believe! cut off the fish! Everyone around is caught, and we have everything as before, and the opening of the trawl, and the echo sounder writes the fish entering the trawl, and we take out miserable tons and a half! And it did not stop until the mining team pulled the spare trawls, armed and tuned! And this is TIME! And money and work!

      Maybe someone would tell did not believe! But ... he himself was present at this!
  6. Professor
    26 May 2012 09: 31
    0
    shorter if something happens ...

    In which case it is better not to get to them:
    The best Soviet women snipers of the Great Patriotic War
    Lyudmila Pavlichenko - destroyed 309 enemy soldiers and officers (among them 36 snipers) ...
    Or Rugo - destroyed the enemy 242 ...
    1. viruskvartirus
      viruskvartirus 26 May 2012 09: 53
      +8
      Professor ... you are right about snipers ... but imagine a submarine leaving for six months in autonomous mode and a woman, even if she will be at least 1000 times awesome specialist, for men she will be a woman .... with all the consequences .... Well amers can ... I would have selected according to external data .... so that the autonomy field of all women - in the hospital, men in the madhouse ...
      1. Professor
        26 May 2012 10: 17
        -1
        You see, firstly, they do not go to the autonomous region for six months.
        Secondly, over there in Saudi Arabia, women are not allowed to drive a car alone - "no matter what happens sexually."
        IHMO, if they want, let them serve.
        1. kontrzasada20
          kontrzasada20 28 May 2012 00: 02
          +2
          The professor has such infa in the mid-30s - the first sex toys for men appeared. These were rubber dolls, which were first used in the Japanese Imperial Navy, the crews of Japanese submarines were ordered to use this tool to satisfy carnal desires in the deep sea. The Germans also adopted this samurai experience - in 1941, the Nazi dictator ordered the Danish doctor Olen Hannussen to start the production of artificial women for the Kriegsmarine submariners, and they were supposed to be all exclusively Aryan in appearance - with painted blue eyes and blonde hair. After the war, the secret to the production of dolls was exported to the United States, and until the very end of the 80s, their appearance did not undergo practically any changes.
          More details: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1934464 Here the Americans are constantly modernizing and experimenting.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 31
        -4
        Can you even imagine the burden of working on a submarine? Real load? Rather, there will be a breakdown of a man on a man (not sexually, but psychologically). A woman on a boat can act as a deterrent, did not think about it?
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 27 August 2012 19: 52
          0
          Quote: Pimply
          A woman on a boat can act as a deterrent


          Then I agree! It happens but ... still not on the nuclear submarine!
    2. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 26 May 2012 10: 06
      +7
      Depart from the topic, dear, these are different things - a lone sniper and a woman in a male team (especially in a confined space).
      It is in your civilized world that everyone is equated with everyone - they make hermophrodites from people.
      Thank God, until they argue with nature)))
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 26 May 2012 11: 40
        +1
        Here is another demo! Practicing the practical skills of the Iranian female special forces.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 31
        -5
        Dear, calling nature ordinary stupidity is an old tradition
        1. Tjumenec72
          Tjumenec72 26 May 2012 16: 48
          0
          Typical liberalistic crap about gender equality.

          A man and a woman (if they are straight) look at the world from different angles. This is not connected with personal qualities and upbringing, but with sexual characteristics (the harmonies still manage us).
          And it is necessary to relate to these circumstances with understanding and to use them wisely (including in the service).
          And the different "fighters for equality" there are pursuing completely different goals - by doing so, they are trying to play down THEIR DAMAGE.

          YOU ARE GAY?
          1. Roman 75
            Roman 75 26 May 2012 17: 02
            -3
            Quote: Tjumenec72
            This is not connected with personal qualities and upbringing, but with sexual characteristics (the harmonies still manage us).


            Well, you may be controlled by "harmonies" ...
            But, fortunately, for most people, the leading is still rational activity.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 26 May 2012 17: 10
            -4
            Yes? Surprisingly, I was serving with women nearby, and somehow I didn’t notice that they were bad soldiers and officers, and that somehow hormones especially influenced them. True, it is amazing how practice refutes superstition?
  7. Odessa
    Odessa 26 May 2012 09: 37
    +7
    So in the publication it is clearly written that due to the shortage of men, women are being replenished.
    1. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 26 May 2012 10: 10
      +3
      What is wrong!
      It’s the same as taking a person of a different specialty for a vacant position ... it won’t help, but the staff is staffed - they’ll serve you.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 33
        -2
        You know, the biggest nonsense is to determine how much a person is suitable for a position not by personal qualities, but by the color of his skin, his nationality, and the fact that he has between his legs.
  8. Stasi.
    Stasi. 26 May 2012 11: 07
    +8
    Women can serve and adequately carry out military service. But on a ship and a submarine together with men, nothing will come of it. The mixed crew is unreliable. One way or another, but women will be harassed and all this will be to the detriment of the service. Warfare is for men; war has no female face.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 34
      -5
      Already serve, and not one year. And the submarine has less chance of harassment than the big ship - the work is too hard and there is too little space.
  9. Stasi.
    Stasi. 26 May 2012 11: 33
    +11
    As Peter the Great ordered: "Women should never be taken aboard the ship, but if you take something that will be enough for the whole crew."
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 34
      -2
      And when did he specifically say this, and in which year?
  10. Enjoy
    Enjoy 26 May 2012 11: 39
    +6
    If Americans invented the complete physiological equality of the abilities of men and women, then why they (girls) do not fly on jet planes?

    And what, it is necessary for US feminists to push the idea that the distribution of pilots should be 50/50 and not only in the BTA or in helicopters. In one fell swoop, without a single shot -50% of the enemy Air Force)))

    It’s just the men who are afraid to fly on raptors - they would pick up exalted housewives, heal them of the great mission not to drop the honor of women in front of cowardly males and forward))
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 45
      0
      Surprise but fly. And on planes and helicopters, and in different countries. And they become excellent students in combat courses.

      For example, the professor below brought the American army, and I will give the Israeli.



      Roni Zuckerman. 2001 year, if not mistaken. The first woman is a pilot of a modern fighter in Israel. Roni Roni grew up in a family with martial traditions. Her grandfather Yitzhak (Antek) Zuckerman and grandmother Tsivya Lyubetkin are the heroes of the uprising in the Warsaw ghetto. Roni's father and mother served for many years in the IDF. The best on the course, and, as a consequence, grabbed many thanks. To make it clear: the pilots' course is a brutal selection and a huge dropout, an incredible competition. Moreover, before her, women were already both pilots and navigators.

      Another example of this year. Former compatriot. Aleph's life path (this is not a name, but a literal replacement, in Israel, the names and faces of the pilots hide), despite only 22 years of age, it is really impressive. Together with her parents and five brothers and sisters, she moved from St. Petersburg to the small Israeli town of Afula more than twenty years ago. In 1997, her parents divorced, her father moved to another country, and her mother raised six children alone. Having taken up sports at the age of nine, Alef became the country's champion in several sports disciplines in the graduating class of the school. Then she was invited to participate in advertising campaigns for clothing manufacturers.

      The girl was waiting for a brilliant career in the modeling business. But, having received a bachelor's degree in technology and communications at the college, Alef, while being called up for military service, expressed a desire to master the profession of military pilot. Sports coach Alef (by the way, also a native of the former USSR), who worked with her for many years, said about his pupil: “She has a steel character. She will always achieve her goals. ” After several interviews and checks, the girl was accepted to the military aviation school. In 2011, five more girls graduated with Alef ShBA. This year it is planned to accept at least as many cadets to school. The military operations in which Alef took part are not reported to the press (this also applies to all other pilots). It is only known that, having been imbued with the difficult fate of the family of the new cadet, the pilots of the Ramat-David air base, to which Alef was assigned, took patronage of her younger brother and sister. Last they even raised money for a trip to Europe.

      Sport, not called in the article - boxing. Well, and according to the 2011 year, the entire course was completed by 24 women.

      1. apro
        apro 26 May 2012 16: 12
        +2
        Well, with Israel everything is clear, there are few of them, and if the women do not serve them they will be crushed, but in general an interesting country exists for 60 years, has been fighting for 60 years, can’t win in any way?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 17: 12
          -2
          Russia exists how much? And as many can’t win, if you proceed from your logic. There are wars - but victories, like, no. Do not you think that in your logical reasoning the error then creeps in?

          And that is, you want to say that women are worse in other armies?
          1. apro
            apro 28 May 2012 00: 24
            +3
            Well, women everywhere I didn’t see the same across the scar, but the fact that Israel cannot organize normal relations with its neighbors is a fact.
      2. Horde
        Horde 26 May 2012 17: 34
        +1
        to cope with the small need for ladies-pilots in such overalls is probably problematic? I read somewhere that for such purposes, the ladies invented a plastic nozzle that could be used while standing, with special accessories such as aerosols to remove unpleasant odors. It was discussed at various sites that most of them were inclined to think that it was inconvenient, but better naturally. smile
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 17: 43
          -1
          There is such a thing - diapers for adults 8)
  11. Professor
    26 May 2012 11: 52
    +4

    If Americans invented the complete physiological equality of the abilities of men and women, then why they (girls) do not fly on jet planes?

    More how they fly:
    First female operational & combat-ready F-22 pilot







    Afghanistan
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 26 May 2012 12: 46
      +4
      Better women than such a clown. Professor +!
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 26 May 2012 12: 50
        +7
        Quote: Odessa
        Better women than such a clown.

        Esther, you opened my eyes wink After such a "dedication", a man's working organ remains only ... oops, and therefore such a number of "gays" in the American army wassat
        I would like to see their "initiation" into tankers laughing
      2. phantom359
        phantom359 28 May 2012 12: 38
        0
        Odessa, 5 points. )))))))))
    2. phantom359
      phantom359 28 May 2012 13: 27
      +1
      Professor, Well, funny faces. Obviously, the complexes are hammering. Have you begun to fly for self-affirmation? In order for at least someone to pay attention to them. Horror. You won’t drink so much.
      1. Professor
        28 May 2012 20: 28
        0
        You won’t drink so much.

        It all depends on how to dress them up. wink
        1. Che
          Che 31 May 2012 11: 19
          +2
          Professor,
          How many operations did Madonna slut endure. Buranovskie grandmothers are alive and this is some kind of carrion.
  12. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 26 May 2012 12: 17
    +3
    There is an old omen, "a woman on a ship is in trouble."
    On long hikes - it is always an alluring temptation ...
    And these are hormones. One of my old friends often says - where ....... (woman) - there is misfortune ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 54
      -5
      Old signs, for the most part, are superstition and fear. Even earlier, witches were burned.
  13. Horde
    Horde 26 May 2012 12: 34
    +5
    there is still the problem of a female leader, a female officer-commander. Performing commands without being 100% sure of their correctness is already to jeopardize the performance of a combat mission. In essence, historically, a man is the main man-woman relationship, therefore female supremacy over oneself is not always easy for muzhiks. Under the feminine, personally, I would never wish it.
    1. Horde
      Horde 26 May 2012 12: 45
      +2
      women must know their place and this place is not in the army
      1. snek
        snek 26 May 2012 15: 06
        +6
        Quote: Horde
        there is still a problem a female leader

        Quote: Horde
        women should know their place


        Oh, sorry machine no time. So I would like to see how you lady from the picture will tell where her place is.
        1. Horde
          Horde 26 May 2012 15: 28
          +2
          So I would like to see how you lady from the picture will tell where her place is.


          It seems Katka 2? tell you how many favorites this lady had? Ponyatovsky, Orlov, Potemkin, Zubov - these were completely independent politicians with a naturally-specific function under the empress. Take any woman ruler the same picture. A woman is headed, but men give orders.
          1. chukapabra
            chukapabra 27 May 2012 19: 42
            -3
            Quote: Horde
            It seems Katka 2? tell you how many favorites this lady had? Ponyatovsky, Orlov, Potemkin, Zubov

            Well, let's be honest, she had them all the same, and not vice versa.
            In general, women deserve much more attention and respect as leaders, engineers and officers. There are many examples, it makes no sense to give.
          2. kontrzasada20
            kontrzasada20 27 May 2012 22: 46
            0
            Excellent Horde (3) just plus +
        2. Professor
          26 May 2012 16: 12
          +1
          Bravo!!! + 1000000000
          Here are two more "housewives":

          1. Horde
            Horde 26 May 2012 16: 16
            0
            Here are two more "housewives":


            only the top one has opened and who is she?
            1. kagorta
              kagorta 26 May 2012 16: 25
              +2
              Golda Meir is one of the creators of modern Israel and the Prime Minister. She ordered Mossad to destroy the Arab terrorists who committed the Munich tragedy. Due to setbacks in the war, Loan Day transferred power to Yitzhak Rabin.
              1. Horde
                Horde 26 May 2012 16: 36
                -2
                Golda Meir is one of the creators of modern Israel and the Prime Minister.


                aah ... I read that Golda Meir requested permission from Stalin to create Israel.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 26 May 2012 17: 17
                  +2
                  You have a bad history. No one asked Stalin for permission to create. The USSR had an interest - and he showed it.

                  Golda Meir was not at the head of state at the time of its creation - and later. But, nevertheless, was one of the founders. You have little knowledge and a lot of prejudice. Before you enter into a conversation - read more, and not yellow newspapers or pseudo-historians, but something more serious.

                  And never mask your own illiteracy with the words: "I've read it somewhere." Will laugh
                  1. Horde
                    Horde 26 May 2012 19: 43
                    +2
                    You have a bad history.


                    , and you like normal?


                    Golda Meir admits that the purely political motives behind Stalin's pro-Israel policies became clear to her and to other Israeli leaders much later: “The recognition of the Soviet Union following the American one had other roots. Now I have no doubt that the main thing for the Soviets was the expulsion of England from the Middle But in the fall of 1947, when the debates were taking place in the United Nations, it seemed to me that the Soviet bloc supported us also because the Russians themselves paid for their victory at a terrible price and therefore, deeply sympathizing with the Jews who suffered so badly from the Nazis, they understand that they deserve their state "(Meir, 1990b *).

                    Arriving at the Meyerson Golda Moishevna Union later Meir and the creation of Israel links of one chain Stalin was tolerant of the Jews, because he now thought it was clearly mistaken that the creation of a Jewish state would be gaining a strong ally. Meir came to the Union like the Israeli ambassador to enlist the location of the country's leadership, to ask for military assistance (Israel had 3 months of hatching), and to establish ties with Soviet Jews. The Union was in fact an ally of Israel and supplied a significant amount of weapons in the war against the Arabs.
                    So, both politically and militarily, and economically, the USSR was not opposed to Germany repaying Israel to Israel, exporting all industry to Israel, one of the creators of Israel was Stalin.

                    You have little knowledge and a lot of prejudice. Before you enter into a conversation - read more, and not yellow newspapers or pseudo-historians, but something more serious.


                    keep your advice with you "bumpy"

                    Will laugh


                    I can imagine if the "pimpled" laugh is a disgusting sight.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 26 May 2012 19: 56
                      +4
                      Mironov quote? Oh well. smile I repeat, read serious literature.

                      Authorization and support in voting at the UN are a few different things, agree. Permission, again, no one asked. Support - asked to provide, and the request was in respect of different countries. What to say about your level of understanding of questions if you do not even recognize portraits of historical figures? 8)

                      And nerves treat, rudeness is quite a trivial reaction when you have nothing to say
                      1. Horde
                        Horde 26 May 2012 20: 33
                        +2
                        Pimply,

                        Mironova quote? Oh well


                        Uhudshansky? smile

                        your persistent and even unhealthy desire to push women into the army is based, I suspect, on the excessive use of Hollywood products, as it does not fit your advice to "read serious literature." makes its way among armed militants. "Serious literature" describes army work as hard, dangerous and exhausting. Examples of women in war are heroism, the highest tension of spiritual forces, which is not typical for the beautiful half of humanity. The use of women in war. not in the traditions of our people. Look what happened in France during the occupation.

                        http://onlyfilms.ws/load/ljubov_i_seks_vo_vremja_okkupacii_amour_et_sexe_sous_l_
                        39_occupation_2011/10-1-0-12981#5YKt7#G47aM
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 26 May 2012 20: 44
                        +1
                        Dear, I repeat. I served with women side by side even 10 years ago in time (I will make a reservation, not in the Russian army), and then in reserve. And again - women, for the most part, perform combat missions no worse than men.

                        And when they say - not in tradition - for this, as a rule, they hide the narrowness of views and unwillingness to look the facts in the eyes. Ezer Weizman, the head of the Israeli Air Force, has long believed that the woman’s business is to sit at home and knit socks. The practice of recent years, when almost three dozen women have gone through one of the most difficult courses in the army — and they have gone well, it is worth noting — it showed that women can and can serve.
                      3. chukapabra
                        chukapabra 27 May 2012 19: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        worth noting - showed that women can and can serve.

                        Yes, I met girls with such self-confidence and ambitions, and such eggs that the guys are far away. Believe me, the woman (with us) is definitely not a victim and does not look at herself as at number two in the family and life. Locals got used to it, for example, it took me a lot of time and still annoying. But to tell the truth, girls are no worse than men as officers.
                  2. Bear52
                    Bear52 27 May 2012 02: 07
                    +1
                    Yes, you, my friend Pupyrchaty, not even a teacher - a preacher, in my opinion! belay
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 27 May 2012 02: 31
                      0
                      Never claimed for either
            2. Professor
              26 May 2012 16: 34
              +3
              There Golda Mer and Margaret Thatcher
              1. Che
                Che 31 May 2012 11: 27
                +1
                ProfessorWell, these two deserve only contempt, and condemnation.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 55
        +1
        Ingenious. Could you elaborate on the place of women in life?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 55
      -1
      So this is not a man, if his ego is in the first place, and not the performance of a combat mission
  14. Aventurinka
    Aventurinka 26 May 2012 12: 45
    +11
    Well, again, twenty-five. lol
    I have formulated a small addition here. In addition to the temptations (purely natural and hormonal), harm to the female body, the substitution of life values ​​and the growing tendency towards a unisex person ...
    Army, this is a place of potential danger. That is, in principle, during the service, emergency situations will systematically occur. Purely male teams in such cases are psychologically focused on solving assigned (military) tasks, under extreme conditions.
    If there are females in the team, the psyche of the man begins to fail. She is determined by nature to provide protection to a woman. In this (natural, which you can’t argue with) the installation in an emergency begins to overlap the installation to complete the task.
    Thus, the man will subconsciously be distracted from the primary task (he is a serviceman), trying to ensure maximum safety for the woman next to him. Perhaps at the cost of his own life, which in a purely male collective could not have happened ...
    Why all this is me ... I am against women in such places in the army in PEACE time. A woman has a place in the army, but not like that.
    I am often asked in the comments, supporters of unisex in professions are asked to clearly explain their position.
    Here gradually, thanks to members of the forum, I begin to formulate my thoughts into text.
    Maybe I'm not right.
    1. Vyalik
      Vyalik 26 May 2012 15: 07
      +2
      I completely agree with you. In peacetime, women in the army do not belong. During the war, this is another matter. There and the teenagers got to the drawers without getting to the machine control, they opened drawers, but this is during the war. Of course, if women want to serve so much for them to recruit purely female crews, although I have no idea how a woman can torpedo a ship on which women and children sail?
      1. Aventurinka
        Aventurinka 26 May 2012 15: 44
        -1
        Quote: Wyalik
        I can’t imagine how a woman can torpedo a ship on which women and children sail?

        And this, by the way, is also ...
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 15: 58
      0
      Now there is no peace time. Now constantly - fighting. In Russia, for example, hostilities are ongoing on a regular basis. During the years of the Great Patriotic Woman, they carried out combat missions perfectly, including in mixed crews. And subsequently, in different countries, female warriors have repeatedly affirmed with the fact that a woman can and knows how to fight.
      1. Aventurinka
        Aventurinka 26 May 2012 16: 48
        +2
        I don’t argue with you that
        Quote: Pimply
        that a woman can and knows how to fight

        I say that the presence of a woman prevents a man from adequately performing his work.
        From a personal example - even in my youth (15 - 17 years old), if we walked down the street and was told to "turn around and run from here to there", I first followed the command, and then found out. One illustrative example was enough for me, and the cries - "No, I won't leave you" stopped forming even in my thoughts.
        1. Roman 75
          Roman 75 26 May 2012 16: 57
          -4
          Quote: Aventurinka
          I say that the presence of a woman prevents a man from adequately performing his work.


          Claaassno! This is "logic"!
          That is, to me, as soon as my closest colleague (or closest colleague? smile how right?) is a pretty woman, is it absolutely impossible to work ?!

          Julia, please do not make such generalizations, do not transfer your phobias, prejudices and errors to all ...
          1. Aventurinka
            Aventurinka 26 May 2012 18: 31
            +1
            Apparently you, Roman, are having some problems. You do not read very carefully.
            Quote: Aventurinka
            Thus, the man will subconsciously be distracted from the primary task (he is a serviceman), trying to ensure maximum safety for the woman next to him.

            Sorry, but this is my opinion that a man is a warrior, a defender, and so on. And I'm glad that I am mostly surrounded by such. If you are not like that, then the conversation does not make sense and can be over.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 26 May 2012 18: 37
              -2
              My sister served in the army. And it is quite adequate. And he served with different women. There are those who are not capable of serving at all. But you would be surprised how much you yourself can be adapted to the army.
            2. Roman 75
              Roman 75 26 May 2012 18: 58
              0
              For God's sake.
              Your opinion is your opinion.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 17: 20
          -2
          The logic is amusing. Some woman - yes. And if a woman is a country's boxing champion, like Alef (symbol, real name is not indicated), who now graduated with honors from the Israeli military combat pilots?
          1. Aventurinka
            Aventurinka 26 May 2012 18: 40
            +4
            Apparently, you are a supporter that everyone should be equal in rights and responsibilities. I have traditional views. And I think that nature has its own role in society.
            This is the end of the conversation. You do not understand me. To a woman. Which wants men and women to remain in the world ... And not unisex people.
            By the way, I have a belt (I won’t say what) in taekwon-do, sports categories (different) in parachuting, hiking, mountaineering, I can shoot, as you can see on this site, I can do everything regarding repair in an apartment, education and the profession of a geologist.
            This is not to tell me about what a woman can do. I know that I can do almost anything. Not once checked.
            And still I remain in my opinion. I am happy that my husband will push me behind his back ... even knowing that I can stand side by side and on an equal footing ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 26 May 2012 18: 47
              -2
              Why do not I understand? I’ll understand. I even want a woman to remain a woman. Totally agree. I just want the woman to have this very choice - to go to the fleet as an officer, or to be only the mother and guardian of the hearth. So that there are no artificial restrictions for a woman in the place of work or service, just because she is a woman. I want personal qualities to dominate, not that between the legs, or skin color.

              Yes, I am for equality of duties, because I believe that both women and men should serve, and that’s all. Because the army rallies society. The question is what to do in the service - again, a question of personal qualities. Because it’s better for someone to serve in the hospital and in kindergarten in alternative service, and for someone it’s better to fight terrorists, and this and that is important. BUT, again, who does what should be determined not by gender, but by what people are.
            2. chukapabra
              chukapabra 27 May 2012 19: 54
              -2
              Quote: Aventurinka
              Apparently, you are a supporter that everyone should be equal in rights and responsibilities. I have traditional views. And I think that nature has its own role in society

              \ A woman can be both a wonderful mother and an officer. There is no need to generalize, nor all men are the same, like women. There are men who are more than women and vice versa. I believe that everyone should be given the opportunity to show their qualities and dreams wherever they want. And if a woman feels that she is capable, give her such an opportunity. After all, we are talking only about volunteers, no one shoves forcibly
      2. Che
        Che 31 May 2012 11: 36
        +1
        Pimply,
        Amer wage wars throughout their short history. And in Russia these are your special operations.
    3. Bear52
      Bear52 27 May 2012 02: 11
      +2
      Dear Aventurinka, but in my opinion, they are even very right! This aspect of disorganization, as you said, is very possible! "+"
    4. Podojdi
      Podojdi 27 May 2012 11: 49
      +5
      With a woman, the entire male team will go crazy. Some will be heroic, they will forget about safety measures, others will vomit out, show that they are dominants, that is, they will humiliate other soldiers. There will be constant skirmishes and stuff. The spirit of the team will fall, there will be no trust, some nit-picking and competition are unhealthy, what kind of task can be discussed then? Everything will fall. And the girl / woman will not be very comfortable in such conditions.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 27 May 2012 13: 42
        -2
        That is, judging by you, men's groups are completely composed of mentally unstable maniacs who are not able to adequately perceive reality? Damn, how are they in the armies of different countries, where women serve, and even regularly fighting each other, something not decided? Amazing.
  15. Prophet Alyosha
    Prophet Alyosha 26 May 2012 12: 52
    -1
    Well, let it go! May decrease blue !!!
    1. Ataturk
      Ataturk 26 May 2012 13: 39
      +5
      Quote: Prophet Alyosha

      Well, let it go! May decrease blue !!!


      Imagine what kind of army it will be. Les-bi-yang-ki, pe-di-ki, go-mo-se-ki, racists .... and now more women.

      Interestingly, critical days do not affect the quality of their work?
      Or if my husband is in trouble or a boyfriend, I didn’t work well at night, I came angry to the whole masculine ....

      After this video, I am cautious about the fact that the woman is at the helm, no matter on the tank or plane ...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8GQHpMIYJg&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=
      PL4DBE762B9D7AAA5F

      if you want, you won’t be able to make the same accidents as women do.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 16: 05
        -3
        Lesbians, blue, and so on. is in any army. And in large quantities. Constant homosexual relations did not prevent the Greeks (in particular, the famous Spartans) and the Romans from being the best fighters in their time. It all depends not on the color of the skin, with whom the person is sleeping, or what is between his legs, but on the personal qualities of the people in the team, on professionalism.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53VvgY9RdWI

        After such a video? Unfortunately, in Hebrew, not found in English. The girl is a pilot of a combat helicopter.
      2. Kamilla
        Kamilla 27 May 2012 01: 04
        +3


        Well, yes, now women, where without them ....
      3. chukapabra
        chukapabra 27 May 2012 19: 57
        -1
        Quote: Ataturk
        Imagine what kind of army it will be. Les-bi-yang-ki, pe-di-ki, go-mo-se-ki, racists .... and now more women.

        No different from the society from which they emerged.
        Quote: Ataturk
        After this video, I am cautious about the fact that the woman is at the helm, no matter on the tank or plane.

        I don’t know, the blonde’s wife, of course, is still the same, but she drives beautifully, the sister (not blonde) drives the same well drinks
  16. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 26 May 2012 13: 38
    +5
    Who thinks there will be less blue? There will not be, on the contrary there will be more. How many women, one, two, in short, not enough for everyone. What will do those who all day looking at the girl, love each other.
  17. Krilion
    Krilion 26 May 2012 13: 57
    +5
    I remembered the movie "Raise the periscope!" ... I recommend watching ....
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 26 May 2012 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: Krilion
      I remembered the movie "Raise the periscope!" ... I recommend watching ....

      Also, this film immediately came to mind. Yeah there was a good diving officer good
  18. snek
    snek 26 May 2012 14: 16
    +5
    I don’t even know how to convey this to most commentators, but the harsh truth of life is that the main difference between men and women is the selection of genitals. I must say right away that I am not special in submarine control, but something tells me that h.y. is not a key authority in controlling this machine.
    1. apro
      apro 26 May 2012 15: 02
      +1
      And the hormonal state of a woman is?
      1. snek
        snek 26 May 2012 15: 10
        +4
        I don’t even know how to convey this terrible information to you, but hormones are present in the organisms of both sexes. I would venture to suggest that you mean the so-called menstruation, which are transferred by different women in different ways. I would venture to suggest that those women who experience a strong influence of the period on the psychological state (and there are relatively few of them), then they themselves will not want to go to the fleet. Moreover, it is worth noting the greater resistance of the female body to stress, which is important in the context of underwater warfare.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 26 May 2012 16: 07
        -2
        Do you understand this better than the psychologists who supervised the program? And it’s okay in one country, but not in dozens.

        Even in Pakistan.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU1UCO0DbPI
    2. Roman 75
      Roman 75 26 May 2012 16: 40
      0
      Quote: snek
      I must say right away that I am not special in submarine control, but something tells me that h.y. is not a key authority in controlling this machine.


      snek, the organ you mentioned is, unfortunately, the key in controlling the brain of some men ...
  19. ivan 92
    ivan 92 26 May 2012 15: 26
    +6
    Looks like in the USA there are no peasants who have not come before those who served before the service to curse dir ZHINKAMI laughing
    1. Aventurinka
      Aventurinka 26 May 2012 15: 49
      +1
      laughing Well said!
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 26 May 2012 16: 32
      +8
      Better ours, they still can not find.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 26 May 2012 17: 01
        +2
        And one more RUSSIAN LADY!
  20. Maks111
    Maks111 26 May 2012 17: 08
    +4
    I don’t understand if a woman will serve somewhere in the headquarters, well, a signalman there or draw cards. But in the field with a gun to run (and run in the United States) is too much. Israel is one thing - there are not enough men there. It is another matter during the GREAT war to appoint women to auxiliary posts as nurses, signalmen, etc.
    A woman will always remain a woman, even if she is VERY well prepared both PHYSICALLY and psychologically. Women TYPE OF THINKING is different - they are emotional creatures, but men are not!

    At least you look at the women teachers (teachers) and compare them with male teachers. Teachers for a man are much harder to lose their temper (in most cases) than female teachers. In addition (in my opinion), a male teacher is unlikely to take revenge on his students, and a female teacher may well be. No wonder in other Greece teachers were only men.

    Yes, even in the BIBLE, in the Old Testament, the Lord said that the Israelites would have recruited males from the age of 21 (I do not remember the quote literally), then the Lord lowered the age bar due to the defeat of the Israelites (for their unbelief).



    Moreover, if women fight, then who will give birth to children?


    In general, the people, why are we soaring because women are not recruiting for military posts in our army, but in the army of our potential adversary. So this is only for us wink
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 17: 22
      +1
      I’m personally worried because determining the dignity of a person by the fact that he has in his pants, who his dad is, and what color his skin is, and not by personal qualities is Russia's misfortune. In the West, this is also enough - but at least there are attempts
    2. Roman 75
      Roman 75 26 May 2012 18: 03
      -1
      Quote: Max111
      Women TYPE OF THINKING is different - they are emotional creatures, but men are not!


      Oh, oh, when Zhirik yells from the rostrum so that the riot police are frightened - this is not emotional ... This, one must think, his cold mind is so manifested ...
      And to bring such a pretzel out of oneself is an impossible task, to see ... He throws himself with glasses from what is sustained, calm and acts exclusively balanced ...
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 26 May 2012 18: 08
        +4
        Quote: Roman-75
        Oh, oh, when Zhirik yells from the rostrum so that the riot police are frightened - this is not emotional ... This, one must think, his cold mind is so manifested ... And to get such a pretzel out of himself is an impossible task, to see ..

        Roman, Zhirinovsky's PR and Zhirinovsky politician (commerce in the field of politics) are completely different types. By himself, Zhirinovsky is an intelligent and educated person (see his biography). In order to cut the loot, I created an image and a party for myself. It is simply beneficial for him to pose as a "hysterical patriot." Excerpts he will have more than many wink
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 18: 20
          +2
          Surprise, but according to studies, women are more mentally stable than men.

          On average, men find a slight advantage in terms of overall activity, aggressiveness, mathematical abilities, and women - in the manifestation of empathy, emotional empathy. Apparently, many of these differences are genetically determined.

          Thus, morphological and physiological gender differences are manifested in the specific structure of the body and genitals, in the differences in the hormonal sphere and the proportion of hormones, in the features of the appearance, in the level of physiological processes, the degree of physical strength, in the structure and functioning of the brain.

          S. Geodakyan, putting forward a gender theory of interhemispheric asymmetry, analyzes some differences in the structure of the brain in men and women. For example, it was recently found that women in some parts of the corpus callosum (an important part of the brain) have more nerve fibers than men.

          This may mean that women’s hemispheric connections are more numerous, and therefore the synthesis of information available in both hemispheres is better. This fact may explain some gender differences in the psyche and behavior, including the famous "female intuition." In addition, the higher indices found in women associated with linguistic functions, memory, analytical abilities, and subtle manual manipulation can be associated with greater relative activity of the left hemisphere of their brain. But creative artistic abilities and the ability to confidently navigate in space are noticeably better for men. Apparently, they owe these advantages to the right hemisphere of their brain.

          Men and women, when they overcome life's difficulties, behave in different ways. The former resort to the help of intelligence, volitional and physical strength, sometimes aggressive reactions, are straightforward. Women more often overcome obstacles with the help of cunning and dexterity, their aggressiveness is reduced, but the verbal and communicative solution to conflict situations is stronger. In extreme conditions, men seem to be more calm, calm, and women are excitable, emotional (cry, or scream, or complain), but in fact it turns out that the latter are more resistant to stress, able to withstand it without significant damage to health.
        2. Roman 75
          Roman 75 26 May 2012 18: 35
          -3
          Quote: Aleksey67
          Roman, Zhirinovsky's PR and Zhirinovsky politician (commerce in the field of politics) are completely different types. By himself, Zhirinovsky is an intelligent and educated person (see his biography). In order to cut the loot, I created an image and a party for myself. It is simply beneficial for him to pose as a "hysterical patriot." Excerpts he will have more than many


          Alexey, Zhirika I mentioned solely as an example. Not the essence of it, in its place could be anyone.
          Another thing is important - it is in demand. I know a lot of people (men, oddly enough) who are simply thrilled with Zhirinovsky. And, unfortunately, not even from what exactly he says, but from the style of his public speaking.
          So much for the "unemotionality of men" ...
          1. Aleksey67
            Aleksey67 26 May 2012 18: 40
            +2
            Quote: Roman-75
            I know a lot of people (men, oddly enough) who are simply thrilled by Zhirinovsky

            Since ancient Rome the slogan "Bread and circuses" has not lost its relevance. The VVZh cannot give bread to the people, but he knows how to roll up the show so that then for weeks they discuss how he summoned Gorbachev to a boxing match, how he doused Nemtsov, how he “lowered” Pugachev, etc. And politics is important that the name is always heard ... By the way, when a similar "showman" Mitrofanov appeared nearby, he immediately "pushed him"
            1. Roman 75
              Roman 75 26 May 2012 19: 05
              -4
              Quote: Aleksey67
              Since ancient Rome the slogan "Bread and circuses" has not lost its relevance. The VVZh cannot give bread to the people, but he knows how to roll up the show so that then for weeks they discuss how he summoned Gorbachev to a boxing match, how he doused Nemtsov, how he “lowered” Pugachev, etc. And politics is important that the name is always heard ... By the way, when a similar "showman" Mitrofanov appeared nearby, he immediately "pushed him"


              Yes, that is absolutely true.
              But, sorry, if such a clown for more than twenty years has not just been an eyesore in a zombie duroscope, not only pours all garbage on the radio, but also steadily gaining a passing percentage in the Duma - is this not evidence that men are very, very are emotional?
              Indeed, you must admit, Zhirik acts exclusively on the emotional component of the audience. And she did not form it from one of only forty-year-old aunts with a failed personal life ...
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 18: 26
      +1
      In extreme conditions, men seem to be more calm, calm, and women are excitable, emotional (cry, or scream, or complain), but in fact it turns out that the latter are more resistant to stress, able to withstand it without significant damage to health.
      1. Aventurinka
        Aventurinka 26 May 2012 18: 46
        0
        Sorry, but this stress resistance is inherent in nature. For it is vital for a woman (as a potential mother) purely physically.
        Nevertheless, I can’t cut my arm off without anesthesia in order to take out a broken piece of a splinter from there ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 26 May 2012 18: 51
          +1
          And what does this prove? Do you think there are a lot of men among men? The pain threshold is an individual matter, as is psychological stability. And I’m saying that personal factors, of each person, should determine.

          You have a tae-kwando belt. And the blows you probably received, and more than once, and certainly painful. Did it stop you, make you stop classes?
          1. Aventurinka
            Aventurinka 26 May 2012 19: 03
            +1
            It's not a pain threshold, but a psychological preparation.
            No one stops spray of hot oil when frying meat, for example. This, although expected, is a sudden and kind of accidental pain. Like injuries in any sport.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 26 May 2012 19: 22
              0
              Thats exactly what I mean. Psychological training is quite possible to pass. Learning, again, depends very little on whether a woman or a man undergoes this training.
              1. SSR
                SSR 26 May 2012 22: 41
                0
                in a normal woman ... it’s natural for nature to create ... give birth ... and a ton of everything else .... including moving us to the feats .. for your sake .... and so on and so forth ... Regards. )))
            2. SSR
              SSR 26 May 2012 22: 36
              -1
              splashes of caressed oil ..... and lucie papa fell .... that is, men.))))
  21. Volkhov
    Volkhov 26 May 2012 20: 53
    +1
    The discussion somehow went in cycles in a half measure, but it is necessary to go further - the army should be family, without any vulgarity. For example, the Marine Corps - if instead of boobies there will be families with tractors and cattle, loaded in Magadan, dropped off in New Zealand, they will not give up the bridgehead.
    And you can prepare cattle, my cow made a way out by force and jumped over the fence, hunted shepherd dogs, played football by those who thought badly of her, so everyone is different, the experience of past lives is important ...
    1. snek
      snek 26 May 2012 21: 27
      +2
      Quote: Volkhov
      my cow made a way out by force and jumped over the fence, hunted shepherd dogs, played football by those who thought badly about it, so everyone is different, the experience of past lives is important ...

      Have a snack, comrade! This is very important, but by no means mushrooms.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 26 May 2012 23: 12
        +1
        In Russia, miracles are real, wean from Western stereotypes, otherwise everyone can see that you are not ours ...
  22. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 26 May 2012 22: 26
    +1
    In the 3-th photo from above (where the lady sits at the console of a certain RT-system), the girl is NOT American shoulder straps. More like the Royal Navy insignia
    1. Professor
      26 May 2012 22: 30
      +1
      So it is, the British fleet. good
  23. patriot2
    patriot2 26 May 2012 22: 30
    +1
    Women have every right to serve in the army and navy. But it seems to me that it is necessary to form some units exclusively from women, for example, in aviation - some squadrons of fighter aircraft, either in / transport or in the navy - crews of small tonnage vessels: missile boats, etc., in the ground forces: small mobile crews Radar, communication units.
    1. kontrzasada20
      kontrzasada20 27 May 2012 16: 25
      +1
      As I attended a school teacher's meeting at school, four men and twenty-nine women, men were silent and read the school newspaper, and Women could not decide for three hours on a minor change in the lesson schedule, this insanity lasted three hours and forty minutes, with a discussion of who is more works at this school, and who lives where, I at the end just cried out MOM, RODI ME BACK! You want to submarine THIS .......... to entrust. Well then, I dig a bunker and take up a circular defense. Well, you give a pancake. They are in the store for thirty minutes to choose toilet paper, and you want to entrust the submarines to them. About times, about morals.
  24. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 26 May 2012 23: 03
    -1
    Are they there, have they all gone crazy? With a female crew on a nuclear submarine carrying nuclear weapons, the world will not last beyond the first ministry! Sorry if I offended someone.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 May 2012 02: 32
      -1
      Well, you are not offended by stupidity
  25. Diesel
    Diesel 27 May 2012 12: 02
    0
    Hmm, I always knew that the United States is a degrading nation, then same-sex marriage, then women on ships.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 27 May 2012 13: 39
      -2
      Degradation is the inability to accept new
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 27 May 2012 13: 44
        +3
        Quote: Diesel
        The United States is a degrading nation, then same-sex marriage, then women on ships.

        Against the background of this commentary, the idea of ​​Pupyrchaty clearly appeared (Vol. No. 2)
        Quote: Pimply
        Degradation is the inability to accept new

        Let Pupyrchaty consider me a "degrader", but I don't need anything new (same-sex marriages, bestiality, pi marches ... in the capital, etc.) smile
  26. kontrzasada20
    kontrzasada20 27 May 2012 16: 09
    +1
    [hide] [/ hide] I think this photo says it all. Their every place is always and everywhere discussed. Here are just a kitchen and children are never discussed.
    1. Che
      Che 1 June 2012 08: 09
      0
      kontrzasada20,
      Pretty, however, such a command is probably nice. wassat
  27. Andrey77
    Andrey77 27 May 2012 18: 59
    0
    They fly into space - they fly. Why is there no nuclear submarine either? Tradition is yes. Well, the question "how will they divide"?
  28. alps
    alps 28 May 2012 08: 38
    0
    Yes, what problems will an obstetrician-gynecologist introduce on a submarine, or just Ihtiander’s father, and he will be happy, the submarine left for a year with one hundred people on board, and returned with ten, it’s the USA, if the president is a Negro, then what else to say then !!!
  29. phantom359
    phantom359 28 May 2012 13: 31
    0
    The woman on the ship is wonderful. Especially in American. It remains to confirm homosexuals and lesbians in the crews and everything will be in perfect order. I hope to start burning not only in dry docks.)