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Construction of the second and third Chinese aircraft carriers will begin in 2013 — 2015.

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Construction of the second and third Chinese aircraft carriers will begin in 2013 — 2015. and 7 will last for years, it will be “medium aircraft carriers with a conventional power plant,” said Tsai Deshen, head of the National Security Bureau of Taiwan, on Monday, speaking to deputies of the Legislative Yuan. Thus, the construction of ships can be completed in 2020 — 2022, he noted, according to a report by the China Times.

Tsai Desheng noted that the first Chinese aircraft carrier - the former Soviet Varyag Tavkr completed in Dalian - has already completed 5 trips to the sea for testing. The ship can enter the battle of the Chinese fleet already by the end of 2012. Nevertheless, it will be used, at least initially, as a training one, although its military use in the future cannot be ruled out.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 24 May 2012 11: 25
    +4
    So China has imperial ambitions!
    1. Redpartyzan
      Redpartyzan 24 May 2012 11: 28
      +3
      We’ll then build the aircraft carrier. Vysotsky promised something now he was fired. Can someone clarify the situation?
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 24 May 2012 11: 31
        +3
        while designing
      2. Enjoy
        Enjoy 24 May 2012 12: 29
        +5
        Quote: Redpartyzan
        We’ll then build the aircraft carrier. Vysotsky promised something now he was fired. Can someone clarify the situation?

        Do we need him? Provided that
        - a non-nuclear aircraft carrier is almost money down the drain, and a nuclear one is just dofigis
        - under it you need the appropriate ship and aviation grouping + coastal infrastructure
        - our most important assets in our country, inside the continent, to protect their fate the army and Strategic Missile Forces
        - there are no megacities on the ocean coast, and the existing 4 coastal zones apart from the Caspian Sea are tightly isolated from each other

        I’m not against the construction of aircraft carriers, but I am not a categorical fan of Russian AUG.
        1. Neighbor
          Neighbor 24 May 2012 16: 16
          +1
          Quote: Enjoy
          Do we need him?

          Maskumum 2 pieces - it is desirable to have !!! - although - optional!
          The same TARK Peter the Great - will be 10 times cooler !!!
          Here are a couple more - Petrush - just doesn’t hurt !!!
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            Yoshkin Kot 24 May 2012 17: 07
            +2
            it seems like a couple of the same type are going to be driven into the docks for reconstruction, so that there will be brothers in parsley, there will be
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              Yoshkin Kot 24 May 2012 17: 36
              0
              http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/11442_01.html тут про "Орланы"
      3. YARY
        YARY 24 May 2012 12: 59
        +7
        I don’t know how and who will attack us but, China the first thing to do is bring Taiwan back. Fact. recourse
        1. Andrey_K
          Andrey_K 24 May 2012 16: 53
          +1
          Taiwan itself will join him, voluntarily.
          Everyone knows how to do this - a little orange revolution and you're done.
          Or the Taiwanese elite decides to follow the path of Hong Kong - also an option.
          When two countries consist of one people, there is no problem to unite.
          Now the Chinese Communist Party itself does not want to do this - superfluous brainwave - so you can lose power.
          And their economies have long been working together.
          1. sahha
            sahha 25 May 2012 04: 05
            0
            Quote: Andrey_K
            When two countries consist of one people, there is no problem to unite.


            That's just Russia with Belarus and Ukraine as they can not ...
      4. VAF
        VAF 24 May 2012 13: 43
        +4
        Quote: Redpartyzan
        Can someone clarify the situation?


        It seems that you yourself participated in the discussion of the article: Why did Anatoly Serdyukov remain the Minister of Defense?

        Or it seemed to me???

        And so, so far and have not understood anything .... ??? recourse
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 26 May 2012 18: 02
      +1
      Already appeared long ago. This is just another embodiment of them.
  2. General_Nogay
    General_Nogay 24 May 2012 11: 29
    +4
    Their ambitions appeared a long time ago, but now they have begun to realize them!tronin.maxim,
  3. Svistoplyaskov
    Svistoplyaskov 24 May 2012 11: 31
    +2
    One of the many speculations on the topic of future Chinese aircraft carriers:
    1. tun1313
      tun1313 24 May 2012 11: 42
      +1
      Yes, and the launch from the catapult, surely the drawings of it have already rested the coulters. :)
      1. Eugene
        Eugene 24 May 2012 12: 09
        +1
        And in front of the "island", what are "basalts"?
        Without a slanting take-off deck, somehow not cool. And the issue with catapults is open.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 24 May 2012 13: 53
          +1
          If there is an ordinary GEM, then the catapults will be steam, for EM catapults you need a nuclear power plant and not one ...
          And in front of the "island", what are "basalts"?

          Yes, PKRy, but here are what it remains in question.
        2. VAF
          VAF 24 May 2012 14: 51
          +3
          Quote: Eugene
          And the issue with catapults is open.


          Since prototypes are already being tested, the question is already at the closing stage!



          1. Eugene
            Eugene 24 May 2012 14: 55
            +1
            Didn’t you really work it out yourself? Or did the Ukrainian brothers surrender the secret?
            1. edge
              edge 24 May 2012 15: 41
              0
              Yes, just copied the thread
              1. snek
                snek 24 May 2012 17: 58
                +2
                Quote: hert
                Yes, just copied the thread

                In the photographs veteran.air force is an experimental electromagnetic catapult. It has nothing to do with the thread.
                1. Sergh
                  Sergh 24 May 2012 23: 21
                  +1
                  Russia refused to sell aerofinhers to Chinafor the first Chinese aircraft carrier - rebuilt from the Soviet ship "Varyag", on which they were not mounted. In 2007, Kanwa exclusively announced from St. Petersburg that the PRC was purchasing four aerofinishers developed at the Central Research Institute of Marine Engineering and manufactured at the Proletarsky Plant. All Russian aerofinishers and brake hooks are manufactured at this enterprise. In the past, China also purchased some components for the destroyers of projects 956E and 956EM on it, Periscope reports.
                  A source at the plant told Kanwa that the Chinese have visited the plant many times, declaring their readiness to purchase at least four air arrestors (the source used the term "purchase"). The negotiations took place at the Rosoboronexport office, during which the plant representatives made special presentations for the Chinese side, and the Chinese also requested technical information and materials.
                  In 2011, during a regular visit to the plant by a Kanwa correspondent, an authoritative source unexpectedly announced that the negotiation process was facing difficulties, and the leadership of the Russian defense industry may have decided not to sell air finishers to China.
                  According to the source, China managed to get brake hatch samples for the combat training aircraft JL-9 and the copied J-15 in Ukraine, instead of purchasing them directly from the Central Research Institute of Ship Engineering and the Proletarian Plant.
                  What could have caused Russia's refusal to sell aerofinishers to China at the very last moment? Regarding the purchase of Russian technologies for the construction of an aircraft carrier by the PRC, Kanwa repeatedly asked questions to representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and always received an official response with the following content: "Strategic weapons systems are prohibited from export to the PRC. Aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, nuclear weapons production technologies - all of them fall under the category of strategic weapons. "
                  However, as Kanwa immersed himself in the study of the issue, it began to appear that the real reason for the ban was not only the "ban on the export of strategic weapons systems to the PRC", but also Russia's dissatisfaction with the PRC's copying of the Su-33 carrier-based fighter. The Central Research Institute of Marine Engineering has supplied two aerofinishers to the Indian aircraft carrier IAC under construction and the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier being upgraded. The Central Research Institute also assisted in the construction of a land based training center for carrier-based aviation in Goa.
                  In 2007, a source told Kanwa that the design and manufacture of aerofinishers is a very difficult task, and currently only Russia and the United States have such capabilities. "In the past, one aircraft carrier usually used four air arrestors, but the new Indian AB has only three installed, which speaks of the reliability of Russian systems."
                  Recently, a representative of the Rosoboronexport company told Kanwa the following: "China really wanted to buy aero finishers for an aircraft carrier, but we did not sell them to them." This confirms the assumption that there are no Russian aerofinishers in China. In 2006, the director of the Central Scientific Research Institute of Marine Engineering and Proletarsky Zavod told a Kanwa journalist that the PRC was planning to purchase four air arrestors and that the parties had held several rounds of negotiations. But in 2011, he said that "unexpectedly we received an order from Moscow, and all our contacts with the PRC were frozen. In other words, we cannot supply China with aerofinishers and any other equipment for an aircraft carrier."
                  The Russian Foreign Ministry made a statement a little later that "strategic weapons systems and technologies will not be supplied to the PRC."
                  All of the above fully explains why the air arrestors were not delivered to the Yanliang flight training center by August 2010, and why the air arrestors were not installed on the Varyag aircraft carrier during its first sailing out to sea. According to Kanwa, the construction of a Chinese aircraft carrier could face significant difficulties.
                  According to the representative of Rosoboronexport, old samples of air finishers remained on the territory of Ukraine, and it is likely that China can buy them. But, according to Kanwa, even if this operation can be carried out, these air finishers can only act as reference samples. There are not many aerofinishers on the territory of the NITKA training center.
                  After buying aerofinisher samples and studying the design of the brake mechanism, it may take some time before China develops its own aerofinisher.

                  http://www.media-office.ru/?go=3304924&pass=9c7d38bc7a39a1b6dbbacef460265c69
      2. edge
        edge 24 May 2012 15: 40
        0
        but no one gives them the braking system, and without it all the wings are in the water ...
        1. Eugene
          Eugene 24 May 2012 15: 52
          +1
          And Yen has long had a question. Is it THREAD with a springboard, in what place did the catapults then? Or within the framework of one complex were 2 lanes - one with a springboard, and relatively speaking, a semi-abandoned one with a catapult?
          1. VAF
            VAF 24 May 2012 22: 39
            +2
            Quote: Eugene
            Or, within the framework of one complex, there were 2 lanes - one with a springboard, and relatively speaking, a semi-abandoned one with a catapult?


            All right, Zhenya, only not 2 lanes, but on the same lane of the 3rd block.

            The main facilities of the complex - take-off and landing blocks - along with catapults extended like a thread, towards the sea, simulating the deck of an aircraft carrier.
            These works were carried out by specialists of the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant and the Leningrad Proletarian Plant.
            They mounted and tested domestic steam catapults, air finishers, and then a springboard to ensure that horizontal take-off and landing aircraft were based on aircraft carriers.
    2. 755962
      755962 24 May 2012 20: 31
      +1
      I like this option more.
      [img] http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4656&d=114
      3311056 [/ img]
      Length: 333 m
      Width: 95 m
      Draft: 33.3 m
      Displacement: 108,000 t
      Total space: 328,000 m3
      nuclear power plant, two-level flight deck, two-level hangar.
  4. maratenok
    maratenok 24 May 2012 11: 45
    0
    tronin.maxim,
    well, that's for sure imperial ambitions
  5. SergeyN
    SergeyN 24 May 2012 11: 51
    +4
    Yes, China is better off switching from ground forces to the Navy, Amer will nerve sore and we will be calmer wink
  6. ANTURAG
    ANTURAG 24 May 2012 11: 52
    +3
    Yes, let them build their huang guangs. Americans are nervous laughing
  7. awg75
    awg75 24 May 2012 12: 27
    +3
    YEAR 2040__ Air Force news ___ "40 Chinese aircraft carriers with escort ships (!!!!) went on a friendly visit along the western coast of the USA. The army of our great country, the USA, pretending to be rags, sent blowing kisses to the passing fleet."
  8. Gavrilon
    Gavrilon 24 May 2012 13: 44
    +3
    4 Mistral is already not bad !!! But here we are lacking aircraft carriers for sure. Well, China beauties sincerely happy for them. Not us so China will become the second pole and the balance of power will reign. am "An empire of evil will rise"
  9. PSih2097
    PSih2097 24 May 2012 14: 01
    +2
    The first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier (with a nuclear power plant) with a displacement of 93000 tons, named Type 085, should be built between 2015 and 2020 at the same shipyard. In terms of its dimensions and characteristics, the ship's project corresponds to the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk, the design documentation for which, according to some sources, China secretly bought from Russia (below is the drawing of the Ulyanovsk TAVKR, below is the alleged type of AB "type 085").


    At the same time, by 2010, the Chinese military plans to complete the modernization of the unfinished Takr Varyag, which is supposed to be used as a training aircraft carrier for training deck pilots and maintenance personnel.

    The final approval of these new plans took place in the fall of 2008. At the same time, a special body was created as part of the armament department of the PLA Navy headquarters - “department number 048” (or “engineering and technical department for aircraft carriers”), whose tasks include coordinating efforts and overseeing the construction of aircraft carriers with a conventional power plant, as well as the organization of procurement in Russia of carrier-based Su-33 fighters. The importance of this body, created for interagency coordination, is confirmed by the fact that the head of the department has a rank corresponding to the level of the deputy minister, although he is directly subordinate to the PLA Navy chief.


    Thus, the construction of the ex - "Varyag" (as a kind of training and combat aircraft carrier) is currently in full swing; a couple of its clones of Chinese construction are on the way; in the future we can see the Chinese version of "Ulyanovsk".
    The main characteristics of promising aircraft carriers of the Chinese Navy
    At present, China is modernizing shipbuilding enterprises (Dalian and Jiangan shipyards), and is also preparing the infrastructure for basing ships of large displacement.

    Aircraft carrier type 089
    With the commissioning of the third dock of the Jiannan shipyard, Chinese shipbuilders were given the opportunity to begin building their first own aircraft carrier. It is possible that construction has already begun, and officially it will be announced, for example, on October 1, 2009 - on the 60th anniversary of the founding of the PRC.
    According to the plan, the construction of the first aircraft carrier with a displacement of 48000-64000 tons with a conventional power plant should be completed in 2012, so that in 2012-2015 the construction of the second aircraft carrier of the same class is also completed.
    According to reports, the main equipment for equipping these aircraft carriers was purchased in Russia. At the same time, a number of Chinese companies also entered into contracts and received contracts for the development and production of individual components and systems for the aircraft carrier. Thus, the supply of steel sheets for construction will be carried out by the Shanghai Baoshan Metallurgical Plant ("Shanghai Baoshan gantiechang"). Steam turbines of the TB-21 type, manufactured by the Chinese company Ludunchan, and allowing the ship to reach speeds of up to 30 knots, are likely to be selected as the power plant. Although it is possible that China may purchase Ukrainian-made gas turbine engines, for example, the DA80 / DN80 type (export version of the UGT-25000 engine) of the Zarya-Mashproekt enterprise, with which the Chinese destroyers of the Guangzhou and Luyan-II class are already equipped.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 24 May 2012 22: 39
      0
      PSih2097, stop-stop, what year is this article, something strange about "type 089"? I have not heard anything about the beginning of its construction. Moreover, Russia drew a donut from a donut to China on the Su-33, although they rolled something of their own on the knee of the J-15, thanks to the Ukrainians for the gift of the T10K, but it was still a crude-rough model.

      And in nuclear ship installations, the Chinese are generally full of lamers, because they will do business, devils, and they will be beaten on planes. And hovercraft trains and an EM catapult on an aircraft carrier, which is like comparing a river barge with an SSBN, are united only by the fact that both live in water. Incidentally, we must not forget that the Ukrainians were completing the "Varyag" for them. I heard that the Ukrainian finishers also screwed them up, although the data has not been verified.



      Concrete model of an aircraft carrier in the steppe intended for training take-off and landing pilots of carrier-based aircraft of China.



      Guys, now can you imagine which Chinese aircraft carriers are cooking up? Well, they have a lot of people ... will break through to the XXX century, if they do not kill us with a trailer!

      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 May 2012 03: 32
        +1
        Sergh,
        stop-stop, what year is this article, something strange about "type 089"? I didn’t hear anything about its beginning of construction..

        Do you have personal informants in the Chinese General Staff and in the Politburo?
  10. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 24 May 2012 14: 03
    +1
    The Chinese are silently doing their job. and rightly so. they pursue their interests.
  11. PSih2097
    PSih2097 24 May 2012 14: 05
    +2
    Aircraft carrier type 085
    The first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier (with a nuclear power plant) with a displacement of 93000 tons, named Type 085, should be built between 2015 and 2020 at the same shipyard. In terms of its dimensions and characteristics, the ship's project corresponds to the unfinished Soviet aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk, the design documentation for which, according to some sources, China secretly bought from Russia (below is the drawing of the Ulyanovsk TAVKR, below is the alleged type of AB "type 085").



    After the completion of the construction of two aircraft carriers of the Type 089 project in the third dock of the Jiannan shipyard, in 2015-2020, it is planned to build the first aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant (displacement of 93000 tons), called the Type 085, on the basis of the same shipbuilding capacities. It is assumed that in size and armament this ship will be an analogue of the unfinished Soviet heavy nuclear aircraft carrier Ulyanovsk and is comparable to the American attack aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan. According to preliminary estimates, the aircraft carrier will be equipped with equipment for the ejection take-off of carrier-based aircraft, and the basis will not be a steam catapult, but magnetic, as China already has experience in building such systems (trains on a magnetic cushion in Shanghai).

    Chinese AB by 2020:

  12. PatriotizTAT
    PatriotizTAT 24 May 2012 15: 12
    0
    Well done Chinese ... and Putin is selling shares! our property with you, only here for some reason there’s not a line about it, it’s no less important ... maybe it’s such that Narrow will not have to fight with us!
  13. dengy12
    dengy12 24 May 2012 16: 25
    +3
    ehh, it's a shame for the power recourse
  14. Yoshkin Kot
    Yoshkin Kot 24 May 2012 17: 10
    0
    people, and aircraft carriers, like catamaran or trimaran, who did not design in the world?
    1. snek
      snek 24 May 2012 18: 05
      +1
      As far as I know, no one went beyond just ideas and fantasies - it will be an incredibly complex design and how it will behave for many years of operation - this is a difficult question. Moreover, the classic aircraft carriers completely cope with the assigned tasks. Regarding fantasies and ideas:


      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 24 May 2012 18: 21
        +2
        understandable, then, folk art and only
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 25 May 2012 03: 38
          +1
          On the AB catamaran scheme, many copies were broken, we had two underwater hulls from the 941 project RPKSN in our underwater part of the prospective AB, though I saw this in the magazine, and for a long time, I can’t take off the picture.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 May 2012 03: 31
        +1
        the lower one is not even AB, but a helicopter carrier, because yak 141 is closed ...
  15. sahha
    sahha 25 May 2012 04: 02
    0
    Quote: Andrey_K
    When two countries consist of one people, there is no problem to unite.


    That's just Russia with Belarus and Ukraine as it can not ...
  16. Idunavs
    Idunavs 27 May 2012 15: 05
    0
    they still have to suffer for a long time, until the thread is tortured)
  17. RostovPapa
    RostovPapa 1 June 2013 20: 47
    0
    While Putin in power there will be no aircraft carriers