Washington and Phanar prepare a split and fratricidal massacre

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In the midst of the diplomatic and legal crisis that swept the Orthodox world after the Patriarch of Constantinople took clear steps to legalize the divisive nomination "UOC-KP" and grant it the status of "autocephalous church", the US State Department announced its intention to oversee the "promotion of religious freedom " in Ukraine.





State Department spokesman Samuel Brownback arrived in Ukraine. He will stay there until September 19. He holds intensive meetings with Ukrainian politicians and religious leaders. The purpose of his talks is “efforts to protect and promote religious freedom.”

Indeed, religious freedom in Ukraine is under threat: the killing of priests, the attack on believers, the arson and seizure of temples, the desecration of shrines have become common events for the country that won the “revolution of dignity”. And always the victims are Orthodox Christians, clerics, monks and parishioners of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate, and as criminals (murderers, arsonists and blasphemers) militants of nationalist groups, which are inflicted and lead to pogroms by schismatic and Uniate "priests".

Did the State Department decide to defend the religious freedom of the Orthodox?



However, Brownback himself, who is in charge of the US State Department for religious freedom, dispelled all doubts during a meeting with Parliament Speaker Andrei Parubiy on September 12, who said that in Washington they were ready to help Kiev with the implementation of the decision to establish an independent church in Ukraine.



“At the stage of making a decision on the provision of a tomos on autocephaly of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, we do not interfere. But if such a decision is made, we will support it, and if we can be useful at the implementation stage, we will be happy to help, ”the ambassador-at-large said.

On the same day, September 12, the representative of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, Metropolitan of Gallia, Emmanuel (Adamakis) announced that the creation of a local independent church had begun in Ukraine.



Participation in this tragic US event for world Orthodoxy is obvious. It was active, and, perhaps, decisive throughout the development of this crisis. Recall that evil tongues have long called the Patriarchate of Constantinople "Washington." And not only because the main part of the parishes of the Communist Party, which has a scanty flock in Turkey, is located in the United States and in Canada. But also because the political structures of the United States have powerful levers, including financial ones, to influence the decisions taken at the Phanar (the place where the residence of the Patriarch of Constantinople is located).



Incidentally, Vladimir Legoyda, chairman of the Synodal Department of the Russian Orthodox Church for Church Relations with Society and the Media, recalled that "Patriarch Bartholomew himself complained about the attempts to influence his actions by his flock in America and the political forces of the United States."

However, in this case, Bartholomew is unlikely to complain, since in the case of the Ukrainian self-saints' schismatics his tasks completely coincide with the American ones.



Bartholomew is very painful in the influence of the ROC (the largest Orthodox church on the planet) and in every possible way tries to “restrain Moscow”, which he considers the main obstacle to finalizing himself as an “Eastern Pope” and turning Fanar into a Vatican-like one. And the attempt to “bestow autocephaly” on Ukrainian schismatics, and those who wish to join them, is a game all-in. Put up Moscow - he won. Moreover, the visit of Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill to Istanbul with a view to settling the Ukrainian question on Phanar was regarded as a willingness to recognize the primacy of the "universal" patriarch. If Moscow rejects the unlawful decision of the Primate of the Communist Party, Bartholomew, mobilizing his supporters in the local churches, try to present the Russian Orthodox Church as an outcast of the Orthodox world.

Washington and Phanar prepare a split and fratricidal massacre


“An alternative Orthodoxy will be created, as part of which its Russian version will be portrayed as standing on the sidelines of the overall process,” Boris Mezhuyev, a political analyst and American analyst, noted the views of Constantinople and noted that “the United States wants keep the Orthodox world under control. It is clear that the Russian Orthodox Church is a serious political player not only at the expense of the Russian state, but also because of its capabilities ... ”

Recall that the former US President Barack Obama called the promotion of “LGBT values” the main task of US foreign policy. Trump was rumored to have tried to free American politics from such an orientation, but he was not allowed to do this. Be that as it may, these and similar tasks to promote "tolerance" have not been eliminated.



The categorical rejection by Orthodoxy of sodomy, the female "priesthood", the change of sex, and other "progressive trends" promoted by Washington around the world, seriously upset the American leadership. Under Obama, the structure was created in the State Department, to which the said Samuel Brownback belongs.

The then US Secretary of State John Kerry, announcing the creation of a new department in the foreign policy department, which will determine the State Department’s policy on interaction with religious communities in foreign countries, noted that “closer cooperation with religious denominations is needed to address global challenges.”

At the same time, Melissa Rogers, the director of the White House’s bureau for interfaith partnership and cooperation, at that time spoke about the three main tasks of the Department of State for working with world religions. Firstly, the unit will have to promote sustainable development and more effective provision of humanitarian assistance, secondly, promote pluralism and human rights, including the protection of religious freedom, and thirdly, to enhance global and national security.

That is, it is not only the rights of sodomites, although they (“pluralism and human rights”) also occupy an important place in the work of this department of the State Department.



By the way, Fanar is working in this direction. Publicist Yegor Kholmogorov noted that “The documents proposed for Crete (Pan-Orthodox Council on Crete in 2016, which was ignored by the Antioch, Georgian, Bulgarian, Russian Orthodox Churches), most of all resembled the program of the US Democratic Party of the United States of the Obama era - Orthodox, retold by the Orthodox language - globalism, liberalism, tolerance, ecology ".

It should be noted that against the background of the “Ukrainian” crisis for the audience, an event almost unnoticed remained no less destructive for world Orthodoxy than the question of Ukrainian “autocephaly”. One of the decisions of the August Synod of Constantinople Patriarchate was the approval of a second marriage for priests - widowed or divorced, which is a flagrant violation of the Apostolic rules and requirements set forth in the Apostolic tradition, and has already been characterized as an "adulterous heresy."



It is noteworthy that Bartholomew tried to get approval for this “revolutionary initiative” in Crete, but received a categorical refusal of all the participants in the meeting. And then he simply carries out the solution he needs through the synod of the CPC, almost by itself.

“Thus, the Patriarchate of Constantinople clearly demonstrated that it considers its opinion above the position of the whole church (by which it itself implies the position of the Cretan Council), and the decision of its organs — even above such councils, for which it recognizes the status of all-Orthodox. This is in its pure form a copy of Roman Catholic papism, in the coordinate system of which the pope is revered above the Ecumenical Council, ”points out Archpriest Andrei Novikov, a member of the Synodal Biblical and Theological Commission and the Inter-Congregational Presence of the Russian Orthodox Church.

It is obvious that both of these decisions, which caused rejection and categorical disagreement of the majority of local churches, now provoke an almost inevitable split of the Orthodox world.



And as we know from storiesAny split is new wars and blood. And the current will not be an exception. Thus, the adviser to the deceased head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, Alexander Kazakov, said that if Ukrainian dissenters received a tomos about autocephaly from the patriarch of Constantinople, the conflict in the Donbas would flare up with a new force.

In his opinion, the decision of the Patriarch of Constantinople will provoke a new round of conflict, where the religious factor will be one of the main ones. “I think it will flare much wider,” said Kazakov.



In addition to the Donbass, there is every reason to expect bloody religious conflicts on the territory of Ukraine itself, into which even yesterday’s “twin cities” will be drawn. It is no secret that in the hastily created today at parishes of the UOC-MP there are quite a few participants of the “ATO”.

But, I think, this scenario is quite desirable for Washington writers.

It is impossible not to recall how Adolf Hitler was going to “equip” the religious life in the seized Soviet lands.



“In any case, the creation of united churches on more or less extensive Russian lands should be avoided. It is in our interests that each village has its own sect with its own ideas about God. Even if, in this way, the inhabitants of individual villages become, like Blacks or Indians, adherents of magical cultures, we can only welcome this, since thereby the separating tendencies in the Russian space will become even more intensified ... "(G. Picker," Hitler's table talk The rate of the German High Command (1941 — 1942) recorded by Heinrich Heim and Henry Picker and published by the latter. ")



And if for the Führer, as we see from this quotation, it was enough to destroy the spiritual and national unity of the Russian people, then for American carriers and “defenders of religious freedoms” it is important to sow parts of a great nation in a suicidal massacre.
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  1. +3
    14 September 2018 05: 30
    fratricidal religious wars in the 21st century .... science fiction 19-20 centuries nervously smoke ....
    1. +6
      14 September 2018 06: 19
      This is more than likely. It’s just that in such a situation, perhaps people will eventually decide who they are along the way.
    2. +1
      14 September 2018 06: 21
      Uh-huh ... In the spirit of "invoking a crusade"! What else could you think of to provoke Russia to war? No, well, that worked before. How to make money without a war? Why don't they start a war ?!
    3. +10
      14 September 2018 06: 41
      There have never been religious wars in the world! Any war is a war of human passions. The ingredients of any war are pride and economic interests! In this case, it will not blaze any more than it can blaze. Can blaze faster, yes! The current situation with the schismatics in Kiev and Constantinople is one of the components of attempts to weaken Russia! The modernist politicians from the "church" are schismatics, heretics do not know the grace of God! These are subjects of earthly passions, that's what you need to understand and resist them! The Russian Orthodox Church, being the Apostolic Canonical principle, is One and Holy!
      1. -8
        14 September 2018 06: 57
        Quote: Oper
        There have never been religious wars in the world! Any war is a war of human passions. The ingredients of any war are pride and economic interests! In this case, it will not blaze any more than it can blaze. Can blaze faster, yes! The current situation with the schismatics in Kiev and Constantinople is one of the components of attempts to weaken Russia! The modernist politicians from the "church" are schismatics, heretics do not know the grace of God! These are subjects of earthly passions, that's what you need to understand and resist them! The Russian Orthodox Church, being the Apostolic Canonical principle, is One and Holy!

        that's it .... we're done. Oper to you, to the library, then to the church, or vice versa ... you are illiterate ... completely. don't even answer. you are not interested because you are not educated.
        1. +8
          14 September 2018 07: 59
          They said disgust and do not even answer ?! Well, if I am illiterate, then it’s darker than you are a man even by day with fire, at night with lanterns to look! Your hatred of the Orthodox Church is your business. But where should I go and what to do does not concern you at all! Be more modest and do it yourself. You, in your anger towards the country and the authorities, are only interested in a very narrow circle of people similar to you, and only in the competition of vulgar insults!
          1. +1
            14 September 2018 10: 20
            Quote: Oper
            The current situation with schismatics in Kiev and Constantinople is one of the components of attempts to weaken Russia!

            but is it possible in Russia to institute criminal proceedings on the fact of inciting inter-religious wars and ask Erdogan to give us the schismatic Bartholomew? I do not think that Erdogan will hold on to him much. He himself is a pastor from the USA. With the neutralization of Bartholomew, the split process might have stopped ...
            1. +2
              14 September 2018 11: 26
              The Phanar schismatic is not the main person involved in this action.
            2. 0
              14 September 2018 12: 32
              But is it possible in Russia to institute criminal proceedings on the fact of inciting inter-religious wars and ask Erdogan to give us the schismatic Bartholomew?

              found someone to consult lol
      2. +2
        14 September 2018 07: 07
        Quote: Oper
        There have never been religious wars in the world!

        He arrived from Palestine
        Military glory is fallen
        He through the whirlwinds of battles and dreams
        The cross on his shoulders carried
        Quote: Oper
        The Russian Orthodox Church, which is the Apostolic Canonical principle, is One and Holy!

        There were many apostles. What kind of talk are you talking about?
        1. +2
          14 September 2018 08: 01
          About all, including Equal-to-the-Apostles Saints.
          1. -3
            14 September 2018 08: 07
            Quote: Oper
            About all, including Equal-to-the-Apostles Saints.

            And about Judah? laughing
            1. +3
              14 September 2018 08: 21
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And about Judah?

              He was equal to everything else. His deed shows that even the closest one can betray, a person is weak ...
            2. -1
              14 September 2018 09: 25
              Mordvin, probably even such a fool about such matters knows about Judas, well, maybe mother or grandmother told you ... I won’t tell you anything new and I’m unlikely to help you with anything. Each person is the smith of his own happiness. Laugh, joke of course once smarter nothing comes to mind.
              1. +2
                14 September 2018 09: 37
                Quote: Oper
                Mordvin, probably even such a fool on such topics knows about Judas, well, maybe mother or grandmother told you ...

                Neither mother nor grandmother told me anything.
                Quote: Oper
                Each person is the smith of his own happiness.

                Not at all. We are all dependent, as we live in society, and are not spherical vacuum horses.
                Quote: Oper
                Laugh, joke of course once smarter nothing comes to mind.

                Since you are getting involved in theological disputes, then explain what the word "SLAVE" means.
                1. 0
                  14 September 2018 11: 33
                  With you in theological disputes ?! For myself, I do not consider it possible to interpret on my own, to justify the doctrine of God! As well as the related teachings on morality and forms of worship of God! This is a matter for knowledgeable specialists. I can only tell you that theology, religious studies, as well as the philosophy of religions are concepts of completely different order. What can I argue with you about ?!
                  1. 0
                    14 September 2018 11: 41
                    Quote: Oper
                    What can I argue with you about ?!

                    And you now seem to be broadcasting out of the blue, I carefully read you.
                    Quote: Oper
                    This is a matter for knowledgeable specialists.

                    I was arguing with one priest here, because he could not answer me the question of why the church encourages the installation of monuments to white whales.
                    Quote: Oper
                    I do not consider it possible to interpret for myself

                    Well, and I, in turn, do not want to accept creeds as the ultimate truth.
                    1. +1
                      15 September 2018 19: 18
                      I was arguing with one priest here, because he could not answer me the question of why the church encourages the installation of monuments to white whales.

                      And you did not try to find out from the priest why you were born laughing
                2. +1
                  17 September 2018 03: 34
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Neither mother nor grandmother told me anything


                  I am sincerely sorry for you ...
        2. +1
          14 September 2018 08: 14
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          There were many apostles.

          13 the most famous that are mentioned in the scripture (13 - became Matthew, instead of the betrayed Christ, Judas Iscariot).
          1. 0
            14 September 2018 08: 22
            Quote: Tank Hard
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            There were many apostles.

            13 the most famous that are mentioned in the scripture.

            The savior was numb, and stamped in the hearts
            on the surface of the water with his foot,
            You are truly a fool, and Andrei is in tears
            Wandered home with gudgeons ... winked
          2. 0
            14 September 2018 08: 26
            Quote: Tank Hard
            13 the most famous that are mentioned in the scripture (13 - became Matthew, instead of the betrayed Christ, Judas Iscariot).

            He is not strong in writing, it does not bother me, he read something like that.
            1. -1
              14 September 2018 08: 31
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              In the scripture is not strong, it does not bother me

              There are many, you should like the USA ... Yes
              1. +1
                14 September 2018 08: 40
                Quote: Tank Hard
                There are many, you should like the USA ...

                Oh la! I’ve never expected such nonsense to myself. I do not like the United States. Let people like Edik Poplar go there.
                1. -1
                  14 September 2018 10: 57
                  Mordvin, you and Russia today do not like it, and in general, you are not strong in the Holy Scripture except the USSR and the authorities and the Russian Orthodox Church, but you are trying to comment ... And why did you think about all this yourself? Comment on what you don’t know ... Laugh at what you don’t know ... Not all thoughts in your head are yours. Overpower yourself and turn to the priest at least once they will explain to you about this. Perhaps even take the opportunity to see how terrible this happens to other people, you can get smarter and understand what you can joke about, and what’s better not to come near!
                  Having read even half of the comments here regarding heretics’s attempts to split the Orthodoxy, the rest do not want to read anymore. What do we wonder at Ukraine and Ukrainians if in Russia itself there are so many haters of the Orthodox Church?!?! See, it’s just some of the bells ringing! People seem to be discussing Russian attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church in considerable numbers, starting to pour dirt on ... Russian Orthodox Church !!!!!! They make faces, blaspheme ... What can be said here except how - may the Lord make you wise! Although I’ll personally add it. Militant atheists and other Bolsheviks in attempts to destroy the traditional Russian foundations completely underestimate the Orthodox flock considering it a bunch of old women and some kind of marginal persons! I will give you free, but very valuable advice - in trying to counter something, you need to at least get a little deeper into the essence of the issue. The Orthodox faith is primarily the faith of warriors and there are many examples of this. Continuing to mock the Russian faith, insulting it, you will be very soon surprised and discouraged in your ideas about believing Russian people. Do not go in there, which has nothing to do with you! Unfortunately of course.
                  "An armed warrior is terrible in battle; and he who is clothed in faith is terrible to invisible enemies (St. Ephraim the Syrian, 30, 198)
                  "In the battle for the faith, may your ministry end on earth; the crown of righteousness will be the course of your life (St. Ephraim the Syrian, 33, 134)
                  1. +3
                    14 September 2018 11: 20
                    Quote: Oper
                    Militant atheists and other Bolsheviks in attempts to destroy the traditional Russian foundations completely underestimate the Orthodox flock

                    I agree.
                    So far, people are alive, as in the video, Russia is also alive.
                    1. +2
                      14 September 2018 11: 41
                      Thank you, unfortunately I do not know your name. I looked with pleasure.
                    2. 0
                      14 September 2018 17: 46
                      How many times it was precisely these who substituted Russia)))). But you tell me - which Avramist denominations are the most common in the world? The correct answer is Halal and Catholics. And they became so because they are closer than the rest to God? No, because when they met resistance, they did not disdain to take up sabers and swords. That is precisely why they are the most numerous and, as a consequence, the most powerful.
                      1. 0
                        14 September 2018 19: 41
                        Quote: znavel
                        But you tell me - which Avramist denominations are the most common in the world? The correct answer is Halal and Catholics. And they became so because they are closer than the rest to God? No, because when they met resistance, they did not disdain to take up sabers and swords. That is precisely why they are the most numerous and, as a consequence, the most powerful.

                        I'll tell you. For now the most powerful USA, and literally before the USA - England. What denominations are there? How do Latin American countries differ from the USA (Mexico for example) and why? And so - a deuce to you on your own topic. Well, if you take the place of the devil's advocate, they should be wiser. By the way, why is there no point in serving the devil for a man? wink
                  2. +4
                    14 September 2018 11: 26
                    Quote: Oper
                    Mordvin, you do not like present-day Russia, and in general, you are not strong in the Holy Scripture except the USSR and the authorities and the Russian Orthodox Church, but are trying to comment

                    I read both the scripture and the atheist's guide.
                    Quote: Oper
                    traditional russian basics

                    Oh oh Is it traditional?
                    Quote: Oper
                    in trying to counter something, you need to at least get a little deeper into the essence of the issue.

                    Verify the truth. For example, I can even tell you how Orthodoxy differs from Catholicism.
                    Quote: Oper
                    The Orthodox faith is primarily the faith of warriors and there are many examples of this.

                    I do not argue. There are many such examples in any religion.
                    Quote: Oper
                    Continuing to mock the Russian faith,

                    You are wrong. I do not scoff at faith, I do not like those who, hiding behind faith, do not very plausible deeds. For example, on the buckles of the Wehrmacht soldiers the inscription "God is with us" flaunted.
                    Quote: Oper
                    Do not go in there, which has nothing to do with you!

                    It has. I am baptized, and who asked for my consent when I was baptized?
                    Quote: Oper
                    An armed warrior is terrible in battle; and clothed in faith is terrible to invisible enemies

                    Atheism is also faith.
                    Quote: Oper
                    Fighting for faith

                    Quote: Oper
                    There have never been religious wars in the world!

                    Yes, you father, contradict yourself.
                    1. 0
                      14 September 2018 16: 32
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Oh oh Is it traditional?

                      For Russians, for sure, but probably not for Mordovians. You like stones recently ceased to worship and immediately switched to Lenin? smile
                      1. +1
                        14 September 2018 17: 42
                        And what are your crosses made of? What about the icons? It's funny to hear about Mordvinian beliefs from a gypsy)))))
          3. +1
            14 September 2018 08: 57
            the first apostles were 12, Matthew and Judah were originally among them.
            In addition to these 12, 72 are also known, and the individual apostle Paul, who is not on either list.
      3. +6
        14 September 2018 10: 11
        Quote: Oper
        The current situation with schismatics in Kiev and Constantinople is one of the components of attempts to weaken Russia!

        no, this is a break in the last strands connecting Russia and Ukratna. After this, it remains only to record the complete departure of Ukriana with all the ensuing consequences. Brzezinski's covenants will be fulfilled.
      4. BAI
        +3
        14 September 2018 11: 26
        There have never been religious wars in the world!

        Yah? But what do historians all over the world study?
        Religious wars are a series of armed clashes in Europe of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries between Protestants and Catholics. The religious reformation of the XVI century caused a number of wars in Europe, both internecine and international.
    4. -1
      14 September 2018 07: 02
      This is clearly not the last front open against the Slavs. They will try to beat wherever possible. The so-called "partners".
      1. +3
        14 September 2018 07: 28
        Russians are killing Russians ... What else is needed for a holiday in London and Washington?
      2. +1
        14 September 2018 10: 12
        Quote: Sergey985
        This is clearly not the last front open against the Slavs

        Are Ukrainians not Slavs? Ukraine itself is interested in this
  2. +5
    14 September 2018 06: 24
    I can assume that the Lord deeply cares which of the creatures that inhabit the Earth, collects money in some territory. These bearded fat men in expensive jewelry are not thinking about the Lord. It seems to me.
    1. +2
      14 September 2018 07: 05
      Quote: Deck
      I think so.

      Apparently, he does not care ...
    2. +3
      14 September 2018 08: 03
      The Lord gave man the right to choose! Do not shift human "merits" onto God! Does it mean that you still admit the existence of God? Or is it just another reason to say nasty things, Andrei Yuryevich?
      1. 0
        14 September 2018 17: 51
        Yes, yes, it was he who made the choice, while through someone else the whole Old Testament, he selflessly helped the Jews conquer, survive, conquer. Either stones from the sky onto the heads of enemies, then the sun stopped in the sky so that the brave Jews could obscure the enemies fleeing from them, then they will terrorize enemy soldiers, they will sink the army in the waters of the sea, then they will bring down the city walls))))) everything is human, yeah))))
    3. +2
      14 September 2018 09: 26
      All churches use religious tales for wealth and power. Therefore, competition for money and power easily takes military forms. Politicians use church tales and paraphernalia to label "friend or foe". Nobody cares about the rest. None of the churchmen believe in God, because they see the kitchen up close. My wife sang in the church choir of one of the central Moscow churches - I looked at people and heard a lot of stories ...
      1. +2
        14 September 2018 10: 25
        Quote: meandr51
        heard a lot of stories ...

        Listen more to your wife wink - not yet hear ..
  3. 0
    14 September 2018 06: 26
    The thesis about "opium for the people" is more relevant than ever!
    To conquer China, the Angles muddied the Opium Wars.
    On the Ruin, the same thing happens!
  4. +4
    14 September 2018 06: 44
    The US State Department announced its intention to oversee the "promotion of religious freedom" in Ukraine.
    And then you need to shove your pork snout. Such an opportunity to further increase the national division between Russia and Ukraine, that the Americans certainly cannot miss this opportunity (inspired by them). Where is the USA and where is Orthodoxy? Done at different religious and moral poles. And the Ukrainians are like stupid sheep with joy, swelling with "pride" that the United States is with them. The spilled blood in Ukraine will only add.
  5. +3
    14 September 2018 06: 58
    Nothing can be simplified, because not in words, but in reality there is a hybrid war to assert globalism in a world where America wants to rule the ball on its own. It is for this reason that she is making fierce efforts to eliminate any possible centers of spiritual unification (including religion, if not for all, nevertheless, she acts in this role), and the revival of the resistance movement on this basis. This is the destruction of the foundations of Christianity, the weakening of the Catholic Church, primarily from within, the provocation of a military clash of radical and traditional Islamism (in these conditions, Assad is only a distracting maneuver), followed by the confrontation of the winners with other religions. The split of Orthodoxy has the same goal. In this light, the quoted passage from Hitler’s reasoning clearly shows whose heirs the globalists are and why the United States so fiercely supports the fascist government of Ukraine.
  6. +4
    14 September 2018 07: 10
    When in Donbass "laity" and "parishioners" were carried out with hailstones, the ROC got off with refined quotations from sacred texts. And when the question of ownership came up, it was just a waterfall of energy, including "Greek residents". The Patriarchate has again become a Synod.
    1. -1
      14 September 2018 07: 46
      Quote: samarin1969
      When in Donbass "laity" and "parishioners" were carried out with hailstones, the ROC got off with refined quotations from sacred texts.

      You should write books refined.
  7. +2
    14 September 2018 07: 20
    The biography of Patriarch Bartholomew himself is quite interesting and entertaining, some of his life is an officer in the Turkish army, and this is Greek, such in Greece were considered traitors (after the Turkish massacre of the Greeks), after leaving the Turkish service, studies at the Papal Oriental Institute, further institutes Switzerland, Munich, the Roman Oriental Institute, all this was supervised by the CIA, the Vatican and the Jesuits, that is, they were preparing some kind of influence agents for implementation in the Orthodox churches, they did not even hesitate to publicly declare this.
    What we are observing now is the fulfillment by these agents of all the orders of the CIA, the Vatican, the goal is the destruction of Orthodoxy.
  8. +1
    14 September 2018 07: 21
    Trump is rumored to have tried to free American politics from such a focus, but he was not allowed to do so.
    ... Of course, Trump, was afraid of impeachment and did not, he is ours ... laughing ... And so, returning to a recent meeting in Helsinki, we can state that the parties did not agree on anything ...
  9. +2
    14 September 2018 07: 26
    The mattresses have a lot to learn. They try to go in all possible directions with progressive movements, and do not shun anything to achieve their goals.
  10. 0
    14 September 2018 07: 40
    A wedge of an overseas Orthodox Church has already been driven into Orthodoxy, which drags here the kingdom, White Guard and anti-Soviet. Now another wedge from the Ukrainian side. There is also a Georgian wedge, because the Georgians are also Orthodox, but with us in contra. And the more such dividing lines, the worse for all of us.
    1. +2
      14 September 2018 08: 01
      Quote: Altona
      A wedge of a foreign Orthodox church has already been driven into Orthodoxy

      How, it’s kind of united, not?
      Quote: Altona
      drags here the kingdom, White Guard and anti-Soviet.

      How drags? (And it is difficult to love the Communists of the church, after all the persecutions that fell on it in the last century).
      Quote: Altona
      There is also a Georgian wedge, because the Georgians are also Orthodox, but with us in contra.

      What this is about, in matters of faith, everything is fine with both sides. But maybe something has changed, enlighten us?
      Quote: Altona
      that makes us all worse.

      If you are not Orthodox, you should not care. There are many of them ...
      1. 0
        14 September 2018 17: 56
        How hard is it for a church to love? But what about "love your enemy"? Here the saints will finish the wurst, everything should be in order. But foreigners sang more than once about the need for everyone to repent. that they were once defeated. And something is not heard by the foreign church about the sanctions war and all kinds of horror against us), at least that this is ... not good))))
  11. +1
    14 September 2018 07: 42
    Quote: Oper
    The current situation with schismatics in Kiev and Constantinople is one of the components of attempts to weaken Russia!

    --------------------------
    Is Russia an abstract subject for you? Kiev, too, the mother of Russian cities. Like most of Ukraine, Russian land.
  12. 0
    14 September 2018 07: 48
    In addition to what is written, Fashington wants to launch a bunch of sects in Ukraine such as Jehovah's Witnesses. Separation and schism are forbidden by God. All who contribute to schism and division are damned.
    1. +1
      14 September 2018 17: 58
      You tell the Protestants. Someone he did not curse them at all for the split of Catholicism. Yes, and the Catholics themselves as schismatics did not suffer in any way)))))
  13. +5
    14 September 2018 08: 16
    Quote: Bull Terrier
    This is more than likely. It’s just that in such a situation, perhaps people will eventually decide who they are along the way.

    Yes, spit on this section from the high bell tower. If there are any who will go to this fratricidal war, then this is their business. Let the priests continue to share the church with church utensils and their posts. They will not get miserable to heaven. And they can’t share everything there
    1. -3
      14 September 2018 08: 26
      Quote: Vzdrincher
      miserable

      Previously, this word was not blasphemous, it meant - under the protection of God. But how do people like you know this ... request
  14. +1
    14 September 2018 08: 30
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Altona
    A wedge of a foreign Orthodox church has already been driven into Orthodoxy

    How, it’s kind of united, not?
    Quote: Altona
    drags here the kingdom, White Guard and anti-Soviet.

    How drags? (And it is difficult to love the Communists of the church, after all the persecutions that fell on it in the last century).
    Quote: Altona
    There is also a Georgian wedge, because the Georgians are also Orthodox, but with us in contra.

    What this is about, in matters of faith, everything is fine with both sides. But maybe something has changed, enlighten us?
    Quote: Altona
    that makes us all worse.

    If you are not Orthodox, you should not care. There are many of them ...

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    I’m just Orthodox. It does not make sense to decipher your theses. If you are an anti-Soviet and tsarebozhnik all the more and a bourgeois patriot.
    On the issue of association with a foreign church, this association is the union of a parasite with an eaten organism.
    On the question of "loving communists". Of course, you only need to love yourself, your loved ones, to instill obedience and the thesis "the bosses are from God." About "persecution". There are excesses in any government and in any area. But "repression" is the same flag that should be raised higher.
    On the issue of Georgia, the civil conflict over Abkhazia and South Ossetia apparently adds love and solidarity. So with questions of faith, all is well. We believe in one God, but we are fighting in other areas.
    There are many like you, and if everything is fine with you, then live with it.
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    2. +2
      14 September 2018 09: 19
      Quote: Altona
      I’m just Orthodox.

      In my opinion, an Orthodox Christian will not develop the topic of schism, let alone bind Georgia’s Orthodoxy, and so on, to this topic. Orthodox Church Abroad. A believing Christian cannot condemn a church - by definition. This is not a matter of competence; there is someone to figure it out. This is about Orthodox Christian believers ...
      1. +1
        14 September 2018 18: 01
        Duck this definition is not a person, but a cattle)))) And if Orthodox believers are not competent in matters of the church, then most likely we are on the verge of a grandiose nix already from the religious side. This is sad, although it does not concern me in any way, and fascinating - "Game of Thrones" - a new season))))))
  15. +2
    14 September 2018 08: 37
    Quote: Tank Hard
    We talked about such people in childhood - turned around ... Something in the subject - he will understand, the rest - do not ...

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    When there is nothing to say, rudeness begins. About people like you, snob.
    1. 0
      14 September 2018 09: 07
      Quote: Altona
      rudeness begins

      Where is the rudeness? The fact that you do not understand what I said is not rudeness ... request
  16. +2
    14 September 2018 08: 55
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Oh la! I’ve never expected such nonsense to myself. I do not like the United States. Let people like Edik Poplar go there.

    ----------------------------
    Tank Hard is an ordinary troll, his mission is to heal everyone and to assert himself with great aplomb. He is a "great" expert on religion, ideology, an unrecognized genius of analytics. In matters of faith, he is doing well with everyone. Of course, the USSR was a "repressive" state and drove the Christian church worse than the Saudis. Then the foreign church "reunited" with the church that the communists "persecuted". This is all part of the coherent theory of such as Tank Hard. laughing laughing
    1. -2
      14 September 2018 09: 08
      Quote: Altona
      Tank Hard is an ordinary troll, its mission is to treat and assert itself with a huge aplomb.

      What a shame yes? Ek has blown you up. wink
      1. 0
        14 September 2018 18: 03
        And here is no offense, but a well-balanced characteristic))))
  17. 0
    14 September 2018 09: 04
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Vzdrincher
    miserable

    Previously, this word was not blasphemous, it meant - under the protection of God. But how do people like you know this... request


    hi sorry belay You’re the smartest here. I didn’t notice at once. feel
  18. +1
    14 September 2018 09: 09
    Quote: Tank Hard
    What a shame yes?

    --------------------------------
    I don’t, it’s just clear that you are a know-it-all foolish, superficial.
    1. 0
      14 September 2018 09: 22
      Quote: Altona
      I don’t, it’s just clear that you are a know-it-all foolish, superficial

      Then yes - to each his own. Yes
  19. +3
    14 September 2018 09: 11
    something Gundyaev can’t do anything
  20. +2
    14 September 2018 09: 14
    In my opinion, if the UOC is recognized as autocephalous, most priests from the Ukrainian part of the ROC will go there.
    The question is not ideas and faith, but common sense — why transfer part of the money to Moscow if you can keep it at home?
    Orthodoxy in Russia, as a rule, gravitated to power, power is an influx of money and all sorts of benefits up to absurd things like a special right to trade excisable goods and other things, and this has caused a conflict of interest.
    There is no need to look for a particularly religious connotation, ordinary mercantile spirit.
    As for religious conflicts, it’s been around for a long time - for example, the UOC has serious problems in Crimea after 2014, temples are taken away, etc.
    They even appealed to the ECHR there.
    1. -1
      14 September 2018 12: 40
      Quote: Avior
      for example, the UOC has serious problems in Crimea after 2014, temples are taken away, etc.

      The UOC cannot have problems in Crimea, it is one - the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, self-governing with autonomy rights as part of the Moscow Patriarchate, there are no others.
      When they say the UOC (MP) and the UOC (KP) is a journalistic stamp, there is no UOC (KP), have Phil and company, to Orthodoxy he, with his comrades, has nothing to do.
      1. 0
        14 September 2018 18: 07
        Yeah, the UOC (KP) is not there, but the adherents are in power and flutter. There is no placebo, pretending that there is no problem. you can’t get rid of it. Here are really inflated bityuki with weapons and solid reserves.
        1. -1
          14 September 2018 19: 18
          Quote: znavel
          Here are really inflated bityuki with weapons

          Really inflated bityuk, it is really difficult to move with weapons, especially fast and at a remote distance. This is not a Hollywood action movie. This must be felt. However, alternatively gifted to prove something is useless. They have different realities. Yes
          1. 0
            14 September 2018 19: 32
            Oh, what a "pumped-up" argument))))) Is it really hard to move really pumped up? And the peasants do not even know!)))))) And count up, it doesn’t bother them at all from beating parishioners and priests. when they select churches in their favor))))))
            1. 0
              14 September 2018 19: 52
              Quote: znavel
              Oh, what a "pumped-up" argument))))) Is it really hard to move really pumped up? And the peasants don't know!)

              The individual nicknamed "Znvel" does not know the court for this comment. lol
              1. 0
                14 September 2018 19: 56
                But I do not have to know all the nonsense that has accumulated in your cranial organ))))) So, are there still bitiuk that rob you of churches? And then you, I look, the current can fray))))))))
                1. 0
                  14 September 2018 20: 07
                  Quote: znavel
                  0
                  I don’t have to know all the nonsense that has accumulated in your cranial organ)))))

                  Drain counted! Yes
                  1. 0
                    14 September 2018 20: 35
                    What kind of sink? About what? about inflated bitiuk?)))))) You are more careful there with heavy types of marathon))))))))) The reader)))
              2. 0
                14 September 2018 20: 00
                Ida, here you tried to answer about faiths, but slipped about the state. You really do not see the difference between these concepts? And my question was about the influence of these faiths. No one can forget with impunity for Muslims and Catholics. And it became so thanks to their militant spread And you Orthodox, will continue to crush and split. There really is not a single successful Orthodox country. And this is a fact, but you persistently do not notice it)))))
                1. -1
                  14 September 2018 20: 18
                  Quote: znavel
                  Nobody can forget with impunity

                  Rhetoric of poorly educated Gopniks. How is your education?
                  Quote: znavel
                  And my question was about the influence of these faiths.

                  I answered what denominations the most powerful at the moment in the world. But your intelligence, apparently, is so high that you did not understand the answer. laughing
                  Quote: znavel
                  And you, the Orthodox, will continue to crush and split. That really is not a single successful Orthodox country

                  Again, it characterizes you very well. kindle here ... And you don’t even understand, but maybe you do it on purpose? Alternative ... Yes
                  1. +2
                    14 September 2018 20: 33
                    And what we have such jargon already banned? It’s just that you clearly don’t shine with intelligence — I wanted to explain to you on a more mundane one. But here you behaved illiterate ... to put it mildly))))
                    And you called the United States the most powerful - and this is not a denomination))))) And your intellect is nowhere ...)))))
                    And about the prospects of Orthodoxy, you probably read not everything and very selectively, but what else to take from the troll. right? Your Orthodox are really weak and stupid. And you are likely to see another split)))) And what about a successful Orthodox country, what kind of incitement? It's true, bitter, but true. Until you grow wiser and stop humming about the "canons" in the modern world, you will lose everything and everyone. And only your always alternative consciousness, incapable of living this world, will remain to blame.)))))
                    1. -2
                      14 September 2018 20: 55
                      Quote: znavel
                      And what we have such jargon already banned?

                      You don’t know. In our country, lumpen communicate in such jargon.
                      Quote: znavel
                      И you called the United States the most powerful, but this is not a denomination)))))

                      And what denomination is the strongest in the USA? (Probably again I won’t understand what I mean No. )

                      Quote: znavel
                      And your intellect is nowhere ...)))))

                      Compared to yours, absolutely! laughing
                      Quote: znavel
                      and what else to take from the troll. right?

                      Yeah... feel
                      Quote: znavel
                      Your Orthodox are really weak and stupid.

                      Insulting the feelings of believers ... negative
                      request
                      1. -1
                        16 September 2018 03: 43
                        You are mistaken, a heavy bowler, intelligent people are talking in this jargon, communicating with bowlers)))).
                        Duck about the USA no one will understand you. It's about religious issues, not political ones. And here the United States collaborates and fawns before the Vatican. After all, and a half lard of adherents, and with orders, though secretly already, but by a militant church and organizations like opus dei.))))))
                        And tell me, but how can an indication (quite friendly and adequate) about the weakness of the Orthodox, which they turn as they want from the outside, be an insult? Is it possible that not a smart heavy bowler is insulted here?))))
                      2. 0
                        16 September 2018 03: 50
                        Yes, I was thinking, should I show such a moment about faiths. And then again, like a heavy bowler, you will begin to push the economy. Look at the spread of Muslims and Catholics where their countries are located and their numbers. And ask yourself. how they managed to achieve this and why your Orthodox do not succeed))))))) At the same time, you may wonder, is there a god after that?)))) But this is not necessary. I do not really like open fractures of consciousness in people like you. Therefore, the last question is optional)))))
        2. -1
          14 September 2018 21: 33
          Quote: znavel
          Yeah, the UOC (KP) is not there, but the adherents are in power and flutter.

          Demons walked up and down
          1. -1
            16 September 2018 03: 52
            Exactly. and everything goes to the point that they will achieve their goal. I wonder the current, our leadership will look at it, sitting by the river in anticipation of the passing corpse of the enemy? Or will he take decisive measures?
  21. +10
    14 September 2018 09: 28
    Dear Boris, in the comments the readers of "VO", it seems to me, revealed the essence of the work of the United States on the collapse of Orthodoxy in Russia.
    I will quote the words of Field Marshal Alfred von Wandersay, said back in 1899: "After victory on the battlefield, we must begin a struggle against women and children. To convert them to our faith." Already in the 1980s, radical Ukrainians began to destroy Orthodox churches in Lviv. There was no reaction from the labeled person to these facts. Why am I talking about this. I was subordinate in Lviv to the Lenin PO (Ministry of Radio Industry of the USSR), I often had to go there. The assistant to the marked Yakovlev encouraged this. What priests met the Nazis with icons in 1941? Only Ukrainians. The Moscow Patriarchate had to feel the politics of the labeled and drunk. Even then they should have been anathematized and publicly condemned. After all, there were Orthodox figures loyal to Russia during the Second World War. They conducted services with appeals to help the partisans and the Red Army. Remember the support of Kovpak, which was given him by Orthodoxy in the territories occupied by the Nazis
  22. 0
    14 September 2018 09: 32
    It is surprising that in America itself, despite the "blossoming of 100 religious flowers" - there are no "religious wars". Accident? I don't think ...
    1. +3
      14 September 2018 10: 33
      And this is because there is not a single denomination in the state. You can be anyone - a Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Baptist, Englishman, Adventist, charismatic, Orthodox, Catholic, Uniate, Monophysite, Nestorian, Jehovah's Witness, Scientologist, Mormon, Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, even Muslim, Jewish so that you do not try to impose your religion on other people who have their own religion (or not - but they have every right to do so). And at the level of individuals, conflicts happen there, but this is not dangerous for the stability of the state - it does not support any faith, but guarantees everyone the opportunity to profess any.
  23. -2
    14 September 2018 10: 20
    Quote: Tank Hard
    In my opinion, an Orthodox Christian will not develop the topic of schism, let alone bind Georgia’s Orthodoxy, and so on, to this topic. Orthodox Church Abroad. A believing Christian cannot condemn a church - by definition. This is not a matter of competence; there is someone to figure it out. This is about Orthodox Christian believers ...

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    That's all you know. Already a schism has been attributed to me. In this case, it is about schisms, Mr. Know-It-All, the church is just one of the institutions in which you can still draw the lines of separation. An article about this. The question of faith should not be mixed here, in my opinion.
    1. -1
      14 September 2018 10: 56
      Quote: Altona
      That's all you know

      Do not overpay, not everything ...
      Quote: Altona
      mister nerdy

      I try to read more. feel
  24. -3
    14 September 2018 10: 21
    Quote: Tank Hard
    In addition to what is written, Fashington wants to launch a bunch of sects in Ukraine such as Jehovah's Witnesses.

    ----------------------
    They have been there for a long time. Or has the White Brotherhood already been forgotten? You have a short memory, apparently overcrowded.
    1. -2
      14 September 2018 10: 53
      Quote: Altona
      Your memory is short.

      Oh and burns ... laughing
  25. BAI
    -2
    14 September 2018 10: 35
    1. The church is separated from the state - this is their showdown.
    2. Each state (including Ukraine) wants to have its own church under control. And will have it.
    3. On the principle - a break with the Istanbul Patriarchate, the Russian Orthodox Church will not go.
    4. For Ukraine, the easiest way to have your own church is Catholicization.
    1. +2
      14 September 2018 18: 37
      Three points are normal, the fourth is stupidity from the TV. In Ukraine, Greek Catholics and Catholics together less than 9%.
      1. BAI
        -2
        14 September 2018 21: 44
        In Ukraine, Greek Catholics and Catholics together less than 9%.

        Who and when did it bother? There were millions of Incas, hundreds of Spaniards. All became Catholics. Before the baptism of Rus, everyone prayed to idols. How the government decides - what kind of god to pray, that will be. No one is going anywhere. The state will be the Church that is beneficial to the state. No one asks the opinion of the population. Christianity went uphill after being recognized by the Roman emperor, and not by the people.
        And Catholicism will always receive the support of the West, plus a further separation from Russia.
        1. +2
          14 September 2018 22: 15
          You write nonsense, complete nonsense.
          Even formally, the church and religious organizations in Ukraine are separated from the state, and the school from the church. No religion can be recognized by the state as mandatory.
          In today's reality, no one will violate these articles or alter them in order to drive everyone into some kind of "state church".
          In fact, this is fraught with unpredictable consequences. And how do you imagine the "alteration" of an Orthodox country into a Catholic one? By presidential decree, all Orthodox Christians are declared Catholics, churches are renamed into churches, priests into priests? This makes no sense.
  26. +1
    14 September 2018 12: 28
    Quote: Whale Land
    And this is because there is not a single denomination in the state.

    Well, yes, well, yes ... Only for some reason I remember the words from the American film about the history of the creation of their special service, in the matter of recruiting: "... At least Catholics ... and then for my sake."

    And it doesn’t seem strange to me that in recent years these words have been replaced by something else in the film ... in translation, of course, I don’t look at their TV-kagals :)
  27. +3
    14 September 2018 12: 43
    The general manager of ROC CJSC is deprived of income from the Ukrainian plot. Devils in robes began to fuss.
    But what Gundyaev was silent when Donbass washed his face with Russian blood?
  28. +2
    14 September 2018 18: 13
    Article from the series "How to scare yourself". The main thing for the author is to be patient and not stop, to remind and intensify all sorts of bloody pictures more often. If you have the willpower to bang your head against the wall while doing this - ideally, several mutually exclusive centers of attention will appear and a neurotic invincible eternity is provided for you.
  29. +1
    14 September 2018 21: 51
    the lord,
    Quote: znavel

    And what are your crosses made of? What about the icons? It's funny to hear about Mordvinian beliefs from a gypsy)))))

    Crosses - from anything. For us it makes no difference. I had a familiar Mordvin, so he told me that his grandfather or great-grandfather, a priest was at a stone of some sacred of theirs.
    So it’s not Mordve to paint about Russian traditions.
    I have nothing to do with gypsies.
  30. +1
    15 September 2018 09: 26
    fratricidal religious wars in the 21st century .... science fiction 19-20 centuries nervously smoke ....

    Well, why, the Americans foresaw this. "The biggest sinner is the one who makes religion a profession." - R. Heinlein. Stranger in a foreign land
  31. 0
    15 September 2018 12: 35
    a moment of sobriety! All religions have equal meaning. For all the good and against all the bad. The difference is in the details. Pork in a hot climate will be a threat. Both breeding and storage. Some ethnic group is less disposed to alcohol, some more. Religious difference since ancient times was an additional marker. Belonging, identity, language, a similar way of life and so on. The Catholic world had: Latin, names, its own threats and aspirations. The Muslim world had its own language, names, threats and aspirations. This is not just the difference in writing and the choice of names mentioned in religious teachings. This is a different world. Many peoples left and returned to a rigid understanding of religion. In many countries, religion has been and is being replaced by ideology. But religious affiliation leaves a mark. Many ethnic peoples have a religious division. Croats and Serbs, Indians and Pakistanis and others. For a long time, various wars and conflicts had a religious justification. From local to global. Between the Christian and Muslim worlds. Between the Sunni world and the Shiite, between Catholics and other Christian. In general, fuel is something else. hi
  32. 0
    16 September 2018 15: 58
    Here is the coming division of the church and will show who the true believer is. It will be possible to witness firsthand which clergymen will be converted in the air, just to preserve their prayer places. I tell you the truth!
  33. 0
    17 September 2018 08: 48
    So, the adviser to the deceased head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, Alexander Kazakov, said that if the Ukrainian schismatics received a tomos of autocephaly from the Patriarch of Constantinople, the conflict in Donbass would flare up with renewed vigor.

    Nothing of the kind will happen. Just Dzherelivsky, - the messenger of the apocalypse and witness of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He can’t come up with anything new.