In Russia, it declared its readiness to revive the A-40 Albatross project. The answer to China?

After reports from China that one of the stages of testing of an amphibious aircraft was completed, in our country they began to talk about readiness to revive a previously existing Soviet project. RIA News With reference to the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation reports on work on the project to resume production of the A-40 Albatros aircraft.

Such a statement appeared before the beginning of the exhibition “Gidroaviason-2018”.

Previously, informed sources reported that the A-40 "Albatross" will replace the amphibious aircraft Be-12 by the year 2020.

The first flight of the world's largest amphibious aircraft took place in the USSR in 1986 year. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the project was actually frozen. In 2012, Russia announced its final closure. However, in 2016, statements from individuals in the aircraft industry and the military sphere began to appear that it was time for Albatross to set back on the path to the implementation of the previously created project.

For your information:
A-40 - multi-purpose aircraft. The maximum take-off weight of A-40 is 90 tons. Crew - from 4 to 8 people (depending on version). Maximum speed - 800 km / h. Patrol time - up to 12 h. Practical range - 4 thousand. Km. Seaworthiness (wave height) - 2,2 m. Combat load - up to 6,5 tons of various weapons, including (primarily) anti-submarine. On the plane set about one hundred and fifty world records.

Comments

[ANCIENT]

Fortune tell on a camomile whether or not to build a plane, what can it be! Not fed up with fairy tales? ?? They grab onto everything, and then again they close all projects, and the results go to China.

[Non liberoid Russian]

that is not the topic, then the universal crying .... snot let a hundred times a day is not tired?

[ANCIENT]

Judging by yourself isn’t tired, Mr. idiot, the bearer of pink glasses? ??

[Non liberoid Russian]

wow, how offended we are, Mr. whiner ... continue to carry the negative in every topic, cry for a bright past .... you aren’t capable of more ... by the way, we didn’t drink vodka together, you should contact me, yes and I don’t drink with depressive whiners

[ANCIENT]

And now, dear, answer for your writing -Where did I poke you? ? And with you it’s more expensive to drink vodka — you can stay sober, and without pants! !! Remove the pink glasses, or the arches press on the brain, hence the negotivist in coping with the opponent! !!

[For example]

Alexander S, I agree with you. Tears and snot flow like a river. And judging by the minuses of such a majority here.
Everything is gone, the plaster is removed ....
If you don’t cry, then you’re a fool, you walk in pink glasses and a liberal There is no choice or bitterly or shittyon damn.

Getting a minus for serving a headscarf for the snotty is a good sign.

It’s a good thing to start the production of a new and necessary aircraft for the country. I wish good luck to the manufacturers and a large portfolio of orders in addition.

Nostalgic for communism, answer why are you so annoyed by any information about the start or resumption of production of goods and equipment?

[ANCIENT]

Avon you are as buggy, comrade under the nickname "For example"! You, too, look in pink glasses, so it is useless to explain common truths! You don’t see, perhaps, our government has seven Fridays every week, the decision changes spontaneously, constant strains like "we will do, we will not do, we will not do" .. first of all, those who are engaged in production are very much hampered work! Because now they started doing it, and tomorrow they stopped work !!! The country's authorities have no firmness in decision-making !!! Is my position clear to you ???

[bulvas]

Quote: ANCIENT

You don’t see whether our government has seven Fridays in a week, the decision changes spontaneously,

And where is the power?

You in your righteous indignation inattentively read the message

More attentively:

in our country they started talking about readiness to revive a pre-existing Soviet project

A company representative said that if necessary, the company is ready to start production.

If there is a customer, they will do it, if not, they will not


What are the pink glasses?
What kind of stuff?


Calm down and don't be nervous

[NordUral]

My friend, where did you see information about the start of production?

[bulvas]

Quote: NordUral

My friend, where did you see information about the start of production?

I almost did not answer the "friend"

Do not be lazy, insert quotes that you answer

[Skifotavr]

Quote: For example

Nostalgic for communism, answer why are you so annoyed by any information about the start or resumption of production of goods and equipment?

Perhaps because in a couple of years this renewal is always canceled, and the money goes unclear where.

[Labrador]

Readiness is too mnongo somehow. Tryndet not tossing stones.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: ANCIENT

and they all grab it, and then again they close all the projects, and the results go to China.

Yes, they rush about, A-40 or A-42 turboprop is a ready-made platform, and the Il-114-300, MS-21 must also be adapted for the Navy.

[serg.shishkov2015]

if true, the news is great! still, the Yak-141 would be revived!

[Chertt]

Quote: serg.shishkov2015

still, the Yak-141 would be revived!

For what purpose ? "To be." From what platforms it will work, for what purposes. In general, for what tasks does the Russian army need an obsolete "vertical"
Our defense industry already has a lot of really necessary projects underfunded

[PSih2097]

Quote: Chertt

What platforms will it work from?

from any, even from such ...

Quote: Chertt

In general, for what tasks does the Russian army need an obsolete "vertical"

you might think that the same Su-27 platform is already so outdated, but the Yak-41 will be newer ...

[serg.shishkov2015]

Thanks for the support! thanks to the Yak-141 I met with the magazine Wings of the Motherland and fell in love with this plane!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: PSih2097

from any, even from such ...

The problem is that for a quarter of a century, as we have no monstrous Soviet shipping companies, defective managers have sold everything they can. There, for the Syrian express, I had to buy junk from the Turks.
The fleet has only one ship, from which it is possible to lift and to which it is possible to land the KVVP aircraft. But none of the sailors will allow replacing the air group of full-fledged classic multipurpose vehicles with undersized KVVP with their radius and combat load. The Navy buried the idea of ​​Ustinov and Amelko with great difficulty 35 years ago "and let's arm 1143.5 with Yakovlev machines".

Quote: PSih2097

you might think that the same Su-27 platform is already so outdated, but the Yak-41 will be newer ...

Hehe hehe ... the beginning of the development of the Yak-141 - 1974.
Let me remind you that 1143.5 in the order of development was developed just for the Yak-141 - and only the appearance of the latest Su-27 and MiG-29 put an end to this undertaking.

[NordUral]

Well, why do you need it?

[askort154]

I hope common sense will prevail. Such a plane is simply necessary for our country. Annual forest fires throughout the country are increasing every year.
And the Ministry of Defense would not mind having such a "universal".

[Commissar_77]

Money is needed on the plane. Ready to give up your pension? If yes, then no question, there will be a plane!

[Non liberoid Russian]

I already thought about retirement and do not remember))))) continue to whine and cry

[bessmertniy]

It’s not a pity to give up another pension. And crying over her is not worth it. It would be better to do it more frankly - so that people themselves save their pensions instead of the state. At the very least, this booth would have stopped when the pension money was pulled aside, and then they say that it is not enough.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: askort154

Annual forest fires throughout the country are increasing every year.
And the Ministry of Defense would not mind having such a "universal".

What is the Be-200 not happy with ?!

[SOF]

Quote: Stirbjorn

What is the Be-200 not happy with ?!

.... probably, at least in size .....

[Piramidon]

Quote: SOF

Quote: Stirbjorn

What is the Be-200 not happy with ?!

.... probably, at least in size .....

The Be-200 copes with its tasks within the framework of the Ministry of Emergencies.

[SOF]

Quote: Piramidon

The Be-200 copes with its tasks under the Ministry of Emergencies

... and no one argues with this statement .... for MO, perhaps, "too small" ....

[Alexey RA]

Quote: SOF

.... probably, at least in size .....

That's right - you need to make such a seaplane so that the rivers and lakes are small for him, and he could refuel with water only at airfields or on rivers such as the Volga and Lena.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Alexey RA

Quote: SOF

.... probably, at least in size .....

That's right - you need to make such a seaplane so that the rivers and lakes are small for him, and he could refuel with water only at airfields or on rivers such as the Volga and Lena.

The A-40, in the first place, is not built to extinguish fires (which does not prevent it from doing this in large bodies of water), but for anti-submarine missions, patrolling the far sea zone and rescue operations.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: neri73-r

A-40, first of all, is not built to extinguish fires

Let me remind you how it all began:

Quote: askort154

Such a plane is simply necessary for our country. Annual forest fires throughout the country are increasing every year.

Quote: neri73-r

that does not stop him from doing this in large bodies of water

And if the place of the fire does not have a large body of water with dimensions sufficient to reduce, planing with water intake and climb?
It is precisely this problem that the Yankees faced: it turned out that Canadian twin-engine boats discharge more water per day than a four-engine monster - despite the fact that the load-bearing capacity of Canadians is several times less. The reason was simple: for Canadians, the requirements for the length of the reservoir were much lower, which means that there was a higher turnover rate - the choice of reservoirs was wider and less shoulder from the point of water intake to the fire.

Quote: neri73-r

and for anti-submarine missions,

What for? Why should a PLO aircraft exchange the payload mass for the mass of the structure required to ensure landing on and taking off from the water? How does the PLO airplane help landing on water? Overshot Gus? Isn’t it easier to load additional RSL in its place?
In addition, the PLO aircraft should always be in the radio communication zone with the RSL exhibited by it in the patrol area. EMNIP, communication is in the VHF range - so it is highly not recommended to go down the plane, because it is a horizon.

Quote: neri73-r

patrolling the far sea zone

Again we exchanged the mass of fuel for the mass of the structure. What does not suit an ordinary passenger plane as a base for a patrol officer? He certainly has fuel efficiency and payload mass brought to the maximum - no one needs swallows and lightweights.

Quote: neri73-r

rescue work

Salvation most often occurs in a storm, or at least SMU. A seaplane may simply not land on water.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: askort154

I hope common sense will prevail. Such a plane is simply necessary for our country. Annual forest fires throughout the country are increasing every year.

I’m embarrassed to ask - what, is the Be-200 enough to extinguish fires already? Need A-40?
And second, if the Taganrog plant failed miserably the order of the Ministry of Defense for the Be-200s already worked out in the series, then when will they make the first Albatross? After 10 years?

[Letnab]

Quote: askort154

I hope common sense will prevail. Such a plane is simply necessary for our country. Annual forest fires throughout the country are increasing every year.
And the Ministry of Defense would not mind having such a "universal".

We worked on extinguishing both the Be-200 and the Il-76 tanker, there is a lot of noise on TV, colorful shots, but it’s not good enough, often just a negative option, such as the dissolution of the fire due to the fault of large aviation (real cases), inability to work at high speeds in conditions of severe smoke in the area of ​​fires (they really interfered with the work of small aircraft in servicing fires, but at the same time they could not even decrease due to smoke). But nothing about it! Well, the image of the state in the person of the Ministry of Emergencies will suffer ...
The most important negative point is the overspending of funds allocated for extinguishing forest fires and air patrolling. After the end of the spring fire hazard period, flights to the air patrol stopped almost completely due to lack of funds ... okay in the summer, the rains were lucky, so to speak, but the autumn began, the taiga was drying up, the foliage, the grass withered ... but there was nothing to put out ... And again lies from the leadership of the region ...
Aleksey RA correctly expressed about the Canadian seaplanes, such for extinguishing forest fires and it is necessary to produce. Large airfields are not required for basing, as for the Be-200 and Il-76, selection of reservoirs for water intake is much easier due to fewer restrictions. Well, much more can be written

[self-propelled]

Quote: askort154

Annual forest fires throughout the country are increasing every year.

can Be-200 (like a fire plane) need to build more? quietly being built. verified accessory, technology worked out ... just pay.

and the MO is better to have a working machine (that is, "a tit in the hands") than a practically prototype ("pie in the sky"). for A-40, raise everything again, pick up, work out

[Fox]

regenerators, marching on the far side of the moon live ... neither the production of nor skilled workers, nor vocational schools, training these workers ... glory Peje, Th ...

[ltc35]

I don’t know how it is in the country as a whole, but in Altai most of the vocational schools and technical schools are already closed. From a dozen years ago, to make any part of metal was not difficult. There were plenty of turners ready for exclusive. And now even a normal welder is hard to find. Maybe at the factories that have not yet closed and remained training centers, but overall the picture is sad. I have no doubt that there are smart heads ready to give new ideas, but with qualified personnel, sadness is universal.

[Wilderness]

Training shops are a non-core asset, they were thrown off a long time ago, alas. And vocational schools / vocational schools were dispersed. For some time they went to the Soviet "reserve" of personnel - in Soviet times, schoolchildren underwent training at "patron" factories and state farms, receiving a working specialty. Now this resource has dried up.

[shinobi]

Well, I don’t know where how, but in our city there were vocational schools and vocational schools. There are two specialized universities and 3 technical schools, and this is for 230000 people. Excluding small private shortcuts.

[msm]

And then, I woke up ...

[_Sergei_]

And in Altai we train at the enterprise for those specialties that the enterprise needs.

[Alex66]

And when will the new An-2 be launched? I’ve read about its modernization in the Technique of Youth.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Alex66

And when will the new An-2 be launched? I’ve read about its modernization in the Technique of Youth.

So there was a Bee.

[serg.shishkov2015]

An-14 turned out to be very expensive to operate and did not fill all the niches of the An-2

[abc_alex]

I think very soon. Replacing the An-2 is far from technical and production problems.

[Letnab]

Quote: Alex66

And when will the new An-2 be launched? I’ve read about its modernization in the Technique of Youth.

So in Ulan-Ude, it seems like the serial production of TVS-2 should begin, created on the basis of the An-2 with a significant improvement in performance ...

[inkass_98]

Where to do it, in Taganrog? There they can barely cope with Be-200, but here the car will be more and more specific.
The idea is good, but the implementation is problematic.

[Uncle lee]

In the USSR they did ... And it is still relevant.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Seriously ? Can they barely cope?))))) make them as many as required and ordered

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

can barely cope?))))) make them as many as required and ordered

You tell in numbers how much you planned to build, and how much in fact you did.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Not a liberoid Russian

Seriously ? Can they barely cope?))))) make them as many as required and ordered

Mwa ha ha ... that is, a torn contract for the MO is how much is required and ordered?

PJSC Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex named after G.M.Beriev (TANTK) signed a state contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense on May 23, 2013 for the delivery of two Russian Be-200ES aircraft and four modified Be-200PS aircraft (without function) to the Russian Navy fire extinguishing) with a total value of 8,4 billion rubles. Delivery was supposed to be made under the terms of the contract in 2014-2016, however, the construction of these aircraft (serial numbers 03-09, 03-10 and from 03-51 to 03-54), according to known data, did not advance beyond the initial stage. It was reported that back in 2016, the Russian Ministry of Defense suspended the implementation of this contract.

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And it all ended up that the MO terminated the contract and in court recovered money from the plant.

The Moscow Arbitration Court upheld the claim of the Ministry of Defense of Russia to recover from the Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex named after G.M.Beriev as an advance payment of more than 6,726 billion rubles.

[shinobi]

In Irkutsk.

[Stirbjorn]

Considering that the Be-200 import engines are still having problems with them, in terms of replacing Ukrainian with French

[APASUS]

It's time! Although a decision has not yet been made, but what do we have to replace the Be-12? There is nothing.

[Ros 56]

It is high time, after appropriate processing in the light of the events of the last five years. Create another smut in striped aug and boats.

[shinobi]

All the same, the A-40 was washed down as an anti-submarine amphibian and is not currently needed in its original form. But to create a transport platform based on it with a bias for search-and-rescue operations, this is it.

[Zaurbek]

For this, they made the Be200 .... and taking into account the range of modern medium-haul liners of the B-737 type, why do you need to land on water (this applies to the Russian Federation)? Now it is not the Soviet economy and Military liners need to be unified as much as possible with civilian ones (where possible). And this is the presence of trained pilots, Engines, avionics, maintenance.

[prodi]

propulsion against turboprops?

[Zaurbek]

Where did they see the theater? All the latest threads of long and medium-haul turbojet aircraft are double-circuit.

[prodi]

Quote: Zaurbek

Where did they see the theater? All the latest threads of long and medium-haul turbojet aircraft are double-circuit.

ours versus japanese-chinese

[Приговор]

How many wonderful projects were destroyed by "effective managers"?

[Dikson]

The Ministry of Emergencies would have come in handy such a machine .. And marine rescuers too ..

[Alexey RA]

The Ministry of Emergencies has a Be-200. And IL-76.
As the practice of the same USA has shown, too large seaplanes to extinguish forest fires are ineffective: few suitable water platforms for water intake + problems with maneuvering and accurate targeting at low altitudes.
And marine rescuers immediately have a question with seaworthiness and the maximum wave height during landing. Because you have to save in the ocean and on a rampage. For rescuers, an aviation complex with a resettable boat is better suited.

[Letnab]

Something similar about the great aviation in extinguishing fires was written above, you are right, they have nothing to do there.

[Alex_59]

It is amusing to read about the desire to resume production of the 32 aircraft of a summer prescription. It is as if in 1970 the year seriously thinking about resuming the production of IL-2.
At one time, he was specially interested in the topic of this aircraft. Why should a sea plane be an amphibian? To land on the water. This should give some serious advantages over a conventional aircraft. Since this is primarily an anti-submarine aircraft, accordingly, due to the ability to land on water, it should be much more efficient than a conventional PLO aircraft. However, as it turns out, landing on water gives nothing in this regard.
Moreover, even such an amphibian can land on the water not always and not everywhere. For example, in the Northern Fleet, weather suitable for landing occurs at sea for about 2 months of the year - the rest of the time it is simply dangerous to land. In the Pacific and Baltic, this will be 4-5 months of the year. On the Black Sea a little more than six months. That is, where the most dangerous theaters from the point of view of an underwater threat, our plane can not land on the water most of the year. And sowing does not gain any significant advantages, but even loses them. At least a plane in the air can move quickly. And when he sits in the water, he loses this opportunity, and does not gain anything new, since he does not have sonar, comparable in capabilities to a full-fledged ship.
As for the rescuer, disasters at sea, as a rule, occur in weather conditions in which it’s difficult to fly, and even lands on water - all the more so. Even the usual IL-76, which in Soviet times had a modification with a landing rescue boat, is much more likely to help.
Instead of spraying forces on such projects, it would be better to drive the Su-57 series and other aircraft.

[Vadim237]

Su 57 expensive pleasure happened.

[san4es]

“Albatross” is time to once again put on the path of implementation of the previously created project.

[Old26]

What I can agree with Sergei Vitalyevich (ANCIENT) is that it is a mess. And often in the heads. We will do, we will not do. It seems that such a term as long-term planning simply fell out of the heads of corporate leaders.
At one time, I came across a book called "The Last Giants of the Empire". The book is about the battleships of the "Empress Maria" class and the battlecruisers of the "Ishmael" class. The book is quite interesting. And among the mass of graphs, drawings and drawings there was something from the "accursed heritage of tsarism." Namely, a table on the planned dates for the laying, launching of these and promising ships and the schedule for the decommissioning of obsolete equipment. Most notably in the table, it covered the period from 1912 to 1930 (THIRTY).
What am I doing. And what about the fact that you can look at least 10 years ahead or have already forgotten how? If you need to create some kind of aircraft (a tank, a rocket, something else) - create it. At the R&D level, no one will say a word to you. Build cooperation, "push" subcontractors to research new engines, etc.
And it turns out, as in a proverb - GO TO HUNT - DOG TO FEED.

Created before the collapse of the USSR, this Be-42 amphibian - excellent. After some time, it became clear that in such a dimension it was not particularly needed. Began to make the BE-200. Fine. But at least for the future it would be possible to understand that Ukraine is a cut-off chunk, that any nationalist who has come to power will by all means put sticks in the wheels of joint cooperation. And so it happened.
1. Middle-class and passenger transport aircraft for the MVL and medium-length lines were produced in Ukraine.
2. Engines for many aircraft - also in the same place
3. Engines for ships - again in Ukraine.
4. Shipyards, where our cruisers and ANKr were built - in the same place

What was difficult to predict? Why did such an industry as the Strategic Missile Forces (it’s clear that this is not an industry, but nonetheless) included the chuyka and for several years was able to recreate in Russia, with Russian cooperation, the critical technologies that were being made in Ukraine then. What prevented this from being done in other areas? But nothing. But if it is not the achievements of our own industry that are put at the forefront, but how to present this to the electorate, it will be so

When several years ago Motor Sich refused to supply D-436 engines for BE-200 amphibians, ours were able to adapt a French engine for installation on it. Excellent. So? It was impossible to create in parallel your own similar engine - in order to make such a decision that you need to be a GENIUS ????
Until the last few days, the BE-200 satisfied everyone. Yes, twice as easy as the BE-42, but with approximately the same range characteristics. But then there was a surprise. The Chinese have created the world's largest amphibious aircraft. And then they remembered that the biggest was always our BE-42 (A-40). Urgently, to surpass China, it is necessary to recreate the production of A-40. Do you need it? Maybe instead of releasing two dozen A-40s, it is better to intensify production, while developing both its engine building and increasing the output of the now-produced BE-200? Or will we measure who has more ????

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Old26

Why did such an industry as the Strategic Missile Forces (it’s clear that this is not an industry, but nonetheless) included the chuyka and for several years was able to recreate in Russia, with Russian cooperation, the critical technologies that were being made in Ukraine then.

For the Strategic Missile Forces, they were able to localize only the production of "primers", which was already for the most part on the territory of the RSFSR. The production of the rest of ICBMs, tied to Ukraine, died with the collapse of the Union. Even the P-39, which was formally produced in the Russian Federation, could not be saved - the first stage was made in cooperation with Yuzhmash. The localized Bark never passed the test. And pr.941 was taken out to suck. BZHRK also died due to the impossibility of transferring the production of its missiles to the territory of the Russian Federation.
It is precisely because of the problems with the localization of production that the development of our ICBMs went along such an intricate path - when, instead of creating or developing full-fledged initially heavy solid-propellant missiles (a repetition of the same RT-23 UTTH), new and improved, improved and weighted versions of the Topol appeared, which, by the method of successive approximations, was sculpted, if not a heavy, then an average ICBM.

[Zaurbek]

So the Be-200 has problems not only with the engine .. it is still experienced and is only now becoming serial. And the problem is with the Taganrozh plant, which can only do them piece by piece. Of all the projects being revived in terms of production of SSZH, 30 units / year .... IL-476 - 3 pieces this year, at 19m - 15-18 pieces .... with the rest of the projects so far - the unknown.

[Golovotyap]

I wonder if the Russian Federation has an engine that can be put on this plane?

[Vadim237]

PD 14, PD 18 will come down, only it will be necessary to finalize the marine version.

[exo]

In principle, despite the fact that there is no base for anti-submarine today (IL-114, it’s still small), this is a good option. If only, once again, they did not change their minds.

[Alexey RA]

With the same success, you can make a patrolman and a PLO from MS-21. The degree of localization will be the same.

[g1v2]

I honestly don’t understand why? We at Be200 do not have queues with orders. Why do we need an even larger seaplane? Where is the market for him?

[Alexex]

Is this the answer for Chinese AG600 ?? So they declared it as an analogue of the BE-200 .... to extinguish fires .... the technology of refueling water tanks on the fly ... and cargo amphibian .. side project.

[Altona]

Quote: _Sergey_

And in Altai we train at the enterprise for those specialties that the enterprise needs.

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The company has limited capabilities. All the same, you can’t teach all specialties.

[faiver]

and Pozharsky’s steam-powered airplane or Lebedenko and Mendeleev’s tanks when will we build?

[serg.shishkov2015]

I want to answer all the pessimists - if you scream all the time that everything is gone, it's better not to live! I, in order to live normally, should work one weekend every half a month, today at 6 am Lawn-Next arrived to the eyeballs! two tons and okay, mail, and then the goods are 750 kg and other good, I work, I do not shout, for the good of Russia, Russia must be loved in cloudy weather, and with the red sun it is sweet to everyone!

[Larum]

Another project blah blah. Moreover, not a word about export or civilian use ...
Purely so ...
Although the thing is good in itself.

[Skifotavr]

In 2012, Russia announced its final closure. However, in 2016, statements began to appear from persons in the aircraft industry and in the military sphere that Albatros should be put on the path of implementing the previously created project again.

How long?

[Radical]

Quote: Not a liberoid Russian

wow, how offended we are, Mr. whiner ... continue to carry the negative in every topic, cry for a bright past .... you aren’t capable of more ... by the way, we didn’t drink vodka together, you should contact me, yes and I don’t drink with depressive whiners

Oh, to - we expect from you examples of the "bright" present!