VTsIOM states: The protest sentiments of the Russians began to decline. Seriously?

The All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VTsIOM) presented the results of the study, which is devoted to the level of protest sentiment among Russians in connection with the proposed reforms (primarily in connection with the reform of pension legislation).

VCIOM claims that the level of protest sentiment in Russia from July 53 percentage points fell to 44-x. It is stated that only 39% of Russians consider possible social protests in the region of their residence. 36% of respondents said they want to take part in actions against pension reform. At the same time, 71% of those who declared their unwillingness to participate in protest actions motivated their position by saying that “rallies and demonstrations are useless”. At least, this is the interpretation that VTsIOM offers.

Two days earlier, VTsIOM published regional election political party ratings. At the same time, the monitoring service claims that the United Russia party is leading in each of the eight subjects of the federation selected for studying public opinion. The results voiced by VTsIOM are as follows: Yaroslavl and Arkhangelsk Oblasts - at “ER” about 29%, in Yakutia - 46%. In the Ulyanovsk, Smolensk regions, as well as in the Nenets Autonomous District, the Republics of Bashkortostan and Kalmykia, the results of United Russia are in the interval from 29 to 46 percent.

It is noteworthy that the ratings of the president and the government of VTsIOM several days before the single voting day in the Russian Federation did not dare to publish (at the moment).

Comments

[Snail N9]

VTsIOM president and government ratings for a few days before a single voting day in the Russian Federation did not dare to publish (at the moment).

So it is with the "protest mood" among the people ...

[siberalt]

The authorities will know their rating on election day. But the fact that the authorities do not want to listen to the people is a fact.

[AUL]

The authorities are counting on the issue to slowly lower the brakes. This VCIOM (with reduced social responsibility) is working in this direction.

[Sweetheart]

Quote from AUL

works in that direction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6grKq_2qkGM

[NIKN]

It is stated that only 39% of Russians consider social protests in the region of their residence possible.

Can you name the region in any way? In our village, only Grandfather Yegor is not opposed, he didn’t sober up after yesterday and does not understand what this is about, but if he hangs over he will vote for five ...

[Skif83]

So hangover protest electorate.

[SlavaS]

Well, it's better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv6BIrNTeSs

[Antares]

Quote: GradusHuK

although the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon still could not stand it and said that the USSR is still listed in the UN and there are no borders between Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

This fake has been exposed for a long time. The Secretary General didn’t say this, and Muntean didn’t even apologize for the lie. Fake is tenacious.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: siberalt

The authorities will know their rating on election day. But the fact that the authorities do not want to listen to the people is a fact.

Come on!!! Get their 76,69 ... The paper will endure everything. The percentage of turnout is much more interesting ...

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: siberalt

The authorities will know their rating on election day. But the fact that the authorities do not want to listen to the people is a fact.

Come on!!! Get their 76,69 ... The paper will endure everything. The percentage of turnout is much more interesting ...

And what is the percentage of turnout? There is no lower threshold, and if only 2 million United Russia party members vote to vote + bring their grandmothers, grandfathers, bugs, cats and mice, then with the appearance of 15-20% (yes even 1%) of the total population of the country, the elections will be declared valid. People, do not sit at the stove! Nobody will bring you anything on a dish!

[Gradus HuK]

That's it! The 1977 Constitution, like the 1991 referendum, has never been canceled! But the eReF constitution was never adopted! The people woke up! Big changes are waiting for us!

[shark]

On election day, the government will raise its rating. A little bit, percent by 126

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: shark

On election day, the government will raise its rating. A little bit, percent by 126

It will not lift, but they will draw affiliate offices .. if to be exact.

[Gradus HuK]

shark (Vladimir) Today, 16:16 Whose power is it?

[Svarog]

Quote: siberalt

The authorities will know their rating on election day. But the fact that the authorities do not want to listen to the people is a fact.

What do you think they do not know their rating?

[Bull Terrier]

Yes, she does not care) how many protests came out? 1500 people?)))

[Gradus HuK]

sibiralt (Oleg) Today, 14:26 RF this LLC is a fact! What kind and whose people should she listen to?

[another RUSICH]

Do not interfere with "servants" living in their parallel world

[Vend]

So September, the children went to school. And from the opposition lately they went to rallies

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Wend

And from the opposition lately they went to rallies

Right?
What is it like?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShvU3otI6rA
Bravo Ulyanovsk !!! Perhaps the only city where really significant and massive protests! And the rest, sleep on, wake up when you have to go to work with a hump and arms pulled to the ground in 60-65, provided that you still have health and work itself, but then the train will leave!

[faiver]

looked well done Ulyanovsk Communists

[Vend]

Quote: The Swordsman

Quote: Wend

And from the opposition lately they went to rallies

Right?
What is it like?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShvU3otI6rA
Bravo Ulyanovsk !!! Perhaps the only city where really significant and massive protests! And the rest, sleep on, wake up when you have to go to work with a hump and arms pulled to the ground in 60-65, provided that you still have health and work itself, but then the train will leave!

No matter how. Rating article. And the opposition was created by schoolchildren and students. It would be right to pass a law prohibiting people who have not reached the election age from going to rallies.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Wend

And the opposition was created by schoolchildren and students.

Lying.
It is clear that the ostrich’s position is characteristic of the guards. Hiding in reality and not seeing the processes going on in the country is all the worse for those who imitate, and not really do something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpHoYOmop_w

[YasenPen]

Quote: Wend

And the opposition was created by schoolchildren and students.

... lie after lie ... and this is a "nerd" with a poster and schoolchildren in a circle? Or do you state this as a participant in the Moscow protests?

The VTsIOM is only right in my opinion (as a protest participant, agreed with the authorities on the demonstration) - the people are embittered, but do not give up, although there has been a visible decline in the number of people (in Omsk by 2-2,5 times) who disagree with the pension reform, an increase in VAT, a planned increase in everything and everything, Kiselev-Solovyov’s lies through all channels of a zomboyaschik, corruption and terrifying unemployment!
PS Suggest what can be done at least in the September 9 elections:
1. Ignore them;
2. Be sure to go and vote for at least someone, but not for EdRosov;
I think, as before, in the upcoming elections, the main result will be not participation (how many and who will vote for whom), but how they will calculate. But how to eliminate juggling?

[Claymore]

Quote: Clear

But how to eliminate juggling?

First of all, do not leave blank newsletters.

[Vadim237]

Ulyanovsk urgently needs to be overwhelmed with work - an order, two hundred planes to drop, so that there would not be enough time for any rallies.

[Gradus HuK]

Swordsman (Nikolai) Today, 15:04 A rally cannot be decided! The people woke up the truth is not all! Big changes await us! My homeland of the USSR is being restored! Even through their so-called illegal laws, they lose! Go to the USSR!

[Iline]

And yesterday in our city (a little more than 200 thousand people), 400 people attended the rally. Moreover, the rally was held in a rather lively place.
Or people do not understand that this reform concerns not only himself, but also his children and grandchildren. How then will they look into the eyes of their heirs? Or will they yell that the children MUST support their parents?

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Wend

So September, the children went to school. And from the opposition lately they went to rallies

even kindergartens and nurseries forgot ...

[Vend]

Quote: Yuyuka

Quote: Wend

So September, the children went to school. And from the opposition lately they went to rallies

even kindergartens and nurseries forgot ...

I remember on the Moscow ring and children of kindergarten age were brought.

[Conductor]

Yes . VTsIOM is still a manipulator. it will wait for pu and mu that the miners with their helmets will insist on them.

[1970mk]

Funny)))) Vladimir Putin: “Problem number 1 is to make a decisive breakthrough in improving the living standards of Russians” .. and it immediately started ... gasoline ++, prices for everything ++, taxes ++, do not live up to retirement and where the money of those who did not live to go away? And everything was quiet! The continuation of +++ will obviously still be and now there are no protests, they are still ahead.

[Claymore]

Quote: 1970mk

Funny)))) Vladimir Putin: “Problem number 1 is to make a decisive breakthrough in improving the living standards of Russians” .. and immediately it started ... gasoline ++, prices for everything ++, taxes ++, do not survive until retirement

When pronouncing this phrase, Putin accidentally had one word - “Task No. 1 - to make a decisive breakthrough in raising the level of cost the lives of Russians

[kebeskin]

Maybe the Russians are people in the Duma and in related departments.

[Gradus HuK]

The Russians are people citizens of eReFii but such citizens do not exist! No one ever deprived us of Soviet citizenship!

[aristok]

retirement pyramid

[Proxima]

Quote: aristok

retirement pyramid

It may happen that the pyramid will no longer be built on anyone

[reservist]

no, it will be so ...

[Proxima]

Quote: reservist

no, it will be so ...

Or maybe it will be so This is about social protests. History clearly shows how social protests turn into rebellion and criminality ...

[Vard]

Not a good trend ... people realized that they didn’t decide anything ... So the authorities themselves ... and we ourselves ...

[reservist]

Quote: Vard

the authorities themselves ... and we ourselves ...

remembered ...

[Vadim237]

With some, and without cremation, sand pours.

[reservist]

not without it

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Proxima

Quote: aristok

retirement pyramid

It may happen that the pyramid will no longer be built on anyone

what is this thought introduce compulsory insurance against premature death before retirement

[Observer2014]

aristok (Paul)

retirement pyramid

This is perhaps the best and most understandable illustration of what is happening. The power in the gathering of cowards and crooks was covered by the siloviki. So I would like to ask in case of war would you do without us? Well, well, we are all in attention .. Or did the siloviki still have the mind and conscience and will be with the people?

[uskrabut]

Quote: Observer2014

Or do the siloviki still have the mind and conscience and will be with the people?

The "siloviks" are the same people and they live in the neighborhood, I suppose you have to drink vodka together.

[parusnik]

At the same time, 71% of the number of those who declared their unwillingness to participate in protest actions motivated their position by the fact that "rallies and demonstrations are useless."

.....

[Loess]

It is noteworthy that the ratings of the president and the government of VTsIOM several days before the single voting day in the Russian Federation did not dare to publish (at the moment).

So not the president and choose. And he is not a member of the party.

[Volodin]

Quote: Less

So not the president and choose. And he is not a member of the party.

And 2 a month ago, when VCIOM published ratings, chose the president or was he at that moment in a certain party?

[Loess]

Quote: Volodin

And 2 months ago, when VTsIOM published ratings

Yes, somehow I do not mark on the calendar the date of publication of the president’s ratings. In principle, I don’t care about them. It’s just amusing to watch how in the local news feed at the end of the article they unobtrusively set the direction in which to think) And this mainly concerns news related to domestic politics) And I don’t mind if you are interested in the president’s rating - discuss on health, Build conspiracy theories and do not deny yourself anything.

[Volodin]

Quote: Less

discuss on health, build conspiracy theories

It is strange that a statement of fact causes such a violent reaction in you - "with conspiracy theories" ...

[Loess]

Quote: Volodin

Strange

Yes, what is the reaction? Just expressed his humble opinion ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Less

It’s just funny to watch how in the local news feed at the end of the article they unobtrusively set the direction in which one should think) And this mainly concerns news related to domestic politics)

On foreign policy and armaments - the same canoe. Yes, an interesting (but not original) way of presenting material. Well, as you can see, people are being conducted, they are included in the "discussion." Hey, hey, the resource has to go somewhere.

[Alf]

Quote: Volodin

Did he belong to any party at that time?

And at that moment he was an impostor, a self-nominated guilty person.

[dr.star75]

A big hello can be imposed on the VTsIOM. Now the survey is conducted by the service associated with the FSO. She really monitors the situation, issues conclusions for the president. Moreover, it monitors the situation not only in Russia. but in the specific region where the survey is being conducted, without informing local authorities.

[asv96]

In general, all of this channel with pension and VAT is exactly the way to outrage the people so that it starts to bawl. To create tension in the country of willows, such a moment can be pushed through. The fact of the referendum’s refusal on this undertaking seems especially strange and it’s a pity that only the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are fighting for it, and the rest are not straining. That would be a precedent with a referendum. At rallies, it is necessary to demand its holding and not the fact of what happened to the pension, since according to the constitution, the GDP does not have the right not to sign these laws. But it has a veto and a meek one. Today, in Jekab, a deputy generally said a strange twist at a meeting of workers that this reform was generally proposed by the position and they were supposedly not to blame for it, only the people had a question and why then vote so unanimously.

[dr.star75]

With this reform, the slag is full. In Ukraine, which is steeped in IMF debts, it was the IMF that promoted this reform, we have no debts to it, and its reform is being promoted again!

[Snail N9]

Are we again dependent on the IMF?

We depend on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which depends on the IMF, that is, we are always dependent, dependent and will depend on the IMF ....

[udincev]

Quote: dr.star75

Are we again dependent on the IMF?

When were we independent of them? Now through debts, then the composition of the government, And now the president has clearly shown that there too ...

[dr.star75]

Maybe it's time to change something?

[udincev]

Undoubtedly. The problem is that the people in Russia are atomized. Therefore, the ideas are so perverted about "whip" and "butt".

[Claymore]

Quote: asv96

Since, according to the constitution, GDP does not have the right not to sign these laws

It has.

But it has a veto and a meek one.

What? )))
After vetoing the bill should be revised, and in the rejected version, it can be adopted only if 2/3 of the State Duma and the Federation Council vote for it.

[Snail N9]

It’s necessary to squeeze and tolerate ... everyone now, it’s difficult ....

[16112014nk]

Unfortunately, the lash of the butt does not kill. Power with tenacity of a rhino will push through the reform that suits it. The interests of the people for her in 25th place.

[udincev]

Quote: 16112014nk

Unfortunately, the lash of the butt does not kill.

So it’s time to become aware of yourself as a butt and to raise the question of the referendum not about PV, but about the unconstitutional activity of the whip (power).

[Igoresha]

So it’s time to become aware of yourself as a butt and to raise the question of the referendum not about PV, but about the unconstitutional activity of the whip (power).

Yu. I. Mukhin talked about a referendum of some sort and served

[udincev]

Quote: Igoresha

Yu. I. Mukhin talked about a referendum of some sort and served

Yuri Mukhin and the team proposed a referendum on reporting and control of power. The idea is wonderful, although difficult to implement (the whole thing is in the details). As far as I remember, Mukhin conditionally, the rest really sat down for the proposal to hold a referendum on this matter. Allegedly - extremism (the implementation of such proposals by any government as a sickle ...).

[tv70]

Modestly somehow, dear. Take a place rating further, the people will be killed.

[Giants]

Quote: 16112014nk

Power with tenacity of a rhino will push through the reform that suits it.

Not certainly in that way. It is the IMF that has put a crunch on our kind of power. As the president spoke, as if independent and cool, it is necessary to treat this with understanding.

[rocket757]

Blah, blah, for the future "convincing victory"!
Shaw, then none of my acquaintances who had been for it before, and after that they were sharply opposed, did not change their minds back! Jumping and shouting with foam at the mouth became less, so the people got tired of yelling into the empty, yes, but the anger at those holding power did not go anywhere! Gurgles in quiet, but for now.

[reservist]

there are a couple of familiar pensioners who are not even against the increase in the retirement age, naive people, in all seriousness hope to receive "a thousand for retirement" ...
Well, those who are under 40, while this topic is not particularly concerned ...

[rocket757]

My grandfather also voted for the drunk when they gave them a thousand ??? I did not keep track of what I myself and Korya still ... Grandfather feel sorry for! He worked all his life, and died during such a goat-goat-alkanaft. Ugh, remember disgusting.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: reservist

there are a couple of familiar pensioners who are not even against the increase in the retirement age, naive people, in all seriousness hope to receive "a thousand for retirement" ...
Well, those who are under 40, while this topic is not particularly concerned ...

I must say right away not mine, stole from here https://eot56.livejournal.com/137446.html
When I went to the collection of signatures against pension reform, I knew that from all polls the vast majority of the population was against reform, but I did not imagine what kind of condition this population was in. There was still some hope that even now, when the population understood that they were trying to reach the bones, it would become less amorphous, less lethargic, less indifferent. The reality turned out to be completely different.
The first thing that catches your eye when collecting is a very strict gradation of people. This reform divorced young people and the elderly, our peers and middle-aged people in different angles. For the first time, a strange impression was created that now everyone is for himself. It is not necessary to say that society believes such and such: deep down, the whole society is against pension reform, but it is so divided and individual groups are so isolated from each other that we can only talk about representatives of these groups.
Here comes a woman, it is clear that she is already retired. She does not sign the appeal, but only contemptuously throws: “I am already a pensioner, I don’t care”, but to the question “what about children, grandchildren?” no less contemptuously answered "let them work." There are many of them. The myth that pension reform will add money to retirees in the current pension turned out to be very contagious and some of the pensioners really set on those who have yet to retire. For such people, signature collectors are enemies who are trying to “steal” money from them, and those who have not yet finalized their retirement are loafers. Grab your head and move on. Here comes a man of about 45, on the proposal to sign, he simply waves his hand and pronounces the sacred "Eeeeehh." He gave up. He is against this reform, but he surrendered, it is easier for him to say his magical "eeehh" than even to put a signature. Signature is a struggle, but he no longer wants to fight.
Here come the women of pre-retirement age, seeing a poster they speed up a step and hide their eyes. They respond to the proposal with a sign - “we cannot”. They are scared. It’s very scary that they will find out about it at work and there will be problems.
Fear is generally some disembodied companion of this reform and the struggle against it. Everything is saturated with fear and it is completely incomprehensible where he came from.
Continuation read yourself https://eot56.livejournal.com/137446.html

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: reservist

there are a couple of familiar pensioners who are not even against the increase in the retirement age, naive people, in all seriousness hope to receive "a thousand for retirement" ...
Well, those who are under 40, while this topic is not particularly concerned ...
Reply

[Vadim237]

The victory will be convincing - my forecast for 60-70 percent in the current election will be with EP.

[rocket757]

In principle, this is not a global election, so, for some extra rations to register!
Fundamentally, this can not change anything, only the level of anger of the people will show, and then not everywhere.

[reservist]

in 279 BC e. King Pierre said a phrase thanks to which he is still remembered.

If we win another such victory, we will finally perish

[Vadim237]

In the yard is the year 2018 from the birth of Christ - so they will not perish.

[reservist]

in the 80s, too, it seemed that nothing could happen to the USSR ...

[Alexey Sobolev]

The swamp protests even today, when 1,5 nerd-schoolboy comes out, are still two big differences ... Well, you must admit, the author ... So VTsIOM is not so wrong! People are starting (long ago) to live a lot better than before and there is no reason to go to the square for the sake of the ghostly promises of the protesters. The mess in Ukraine, as well as the revolution of 1917, which led to a civil war, science and people are far from fools, on whom all the same protest barkers are counting ...

[The Siberian barber]

People begin (long ago) to live a lot better.

Yes!
"life has become better, life has become more fun ..!" (c)

[rocket757]

And people do not pay attention to inviting, although they are heavily attached to the indignation of VERY MUCH!
And for a "new better life" do not need la-la, in our outback, if you do not work to the end, many, especially lonely, DO NOT SURVIVE!
YOU SEE as GRANDMAS IN THE PHARMACIES Crying !!! I SAW !!!

[uskrabut]

Quote: rocket757

in our remote places if you don’t work to the end, many, especially alone, DO NOT SURVIVE!

Did you mean work after retirement? So we were deprived of this privilege to receive both a pension and a salary, and after all, only in this way an acceptable amount was obtained for living. Now, plus another five years of poverty, no one is going to bring salaries to the level of developed countries, unlike the retirement age.

[Alexey Sobolev]

in our remote places if you don’t work to the end, many, especially alone, DO NOT SURVIVE!

Have you tried to change your place of residence to another one where there is work? And you try ...

YOU SEE as GRANDMAS IN THE PHARMACIES Crying !!! I SAW !!!

And I have seen. This is very sad. Truth! But this is not a reason to go to protest. This is an occasion to help grandmothers targeted. Why Navalny being unemployed goes on vacation in Monaco (or where?), And does not help target such grandmothers. He has money - make a fund to help grandmothers and help, and do not drive jerks to rallies for clubs and sights of the FSB cameras (smile - you are being shot). Any rally costs money: paraphernalia, payment of assistants, and more. Buy grandmother tablets and tubes for the whole world that helped Marya Ivanovna from the heart and call for help - organizes a rally promising $ 10000 for illegal detention and travels to Monaco.
Ask if I help myself? I help. His own. I can’t alien (if only urgently), because I do not have the opportunity to go on vacation in Monaco ...

And Navalny does not help grandmothers because he doesn’t have money for that. For another ..

[The Siberian barber]

[quote = Aleksey Sobolev] [quote] in our province, if you don’t work to the end, many, especially lonely people, DO NOT SURVIVE! And you try ...
[quote] YOU SEE as GRANDS IN PHARMACIES Crying !!! And I SEEED !!! [/ quote] And I saw. This is very sad. Truth! But this is not a reason to go to protest. This is an occasion to help grandmothers targeted. Why Navalny being unemployed goes on vacation in Monaco (or where?), And does not help target such grandmothers. He has money - make a fund to help grandmothers and help, and do not drive jerks to rallies for clubs and sights of the FSB cameras (smile - you are being shot). Any rally costs money: paraphernalia, payment of assistants, and more. Buy grandmother tablets and tubes for the whole world that helped Marya Ivanovna from the heart and call for help - organizes a rally promising $ 10000 for illegal detention and travels to Monaco.
Ask if I help myself? I help. His own. I can’t alien (if only urgently), because I do not have the opportunity to go on vacation in Monaco ...

"targeted", the whole country is thrown off for treatment for children
Why doesn't the state help them, "ADDRESSED" ???
It is clear that on the wave of general discontent various "crooks" are climbing to power!
But, based on your logic, the people should "stand in the stall" and perceive infringement of their rights without indignation!)))
And what if they call to "sell, each kidney, because of a hole in the budget" ????
Of course, I exaggerate, but still ?!

[Alexey Sobolev]

Why doesn't the state help them, "ADDRESSED" ???

Because it is not the task of the state. The state provides the conditions for the existence of citizens, but citizens ensure their own quality of life. Wealthy people who appeared after the collapse of the USSR were rich not because the state targeted them help, but because they themselves took the initiative. Notice that I do not distinguish between honest people and thieves. Initiative is a property of every person. So, initiative people rarely live poorly - only those who are not too lucky for some reason. The non-initiative, of which we have the majority, or simply those who are afraid to make decisions, never live richly. By the way, I'm relatively uninitiated myself ..

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Alexey Sobolev

Why doesn't the state help them, "ADDRESSED" ???

Because it is not the task of the state. The state provides the conditions for the existence of citizens, but citizens ensure their own quality of life. Wealthy people who appeared after the collapse of the USSR were rich not because the state targeted them help, but because they themselves took the initiative. Notice that I do not distinguish between honest people and thieves. Initiative is a property of every person. So, initiative people rarely live poorly - only those who are not too lucky for some reason. The non-initiative, of which we have the majority, or simply those who are afraid to make decisions, never live richly. By the way, I'm relatively uninitiated myself ..

For any model of state. devices, more uninitiated / uninitiated people))) The point is not about "rich and poor"
The question is different: with what fright, the state, is slowly taking off various guarantees to the population that this population had ??))) Is this a sign of a good state ???? Judging by the protests, people don’t like it))) The authorities are simply obliged to draw the appropriate conclusions, and this applies not only to the pension reform, it’s just like a climax ..
No matter how it turns out: / "the lower classes do not want, but the upper classes cannot" (c)

[Alexey Sobolev]

The question is different: with what fright, the state, is slowly taking off various guarantees to the population that this population had ??

Pensions canceled in Russia? Or what? No canceled. In Russia they have changed (they will change for sure) the retirement age. Those. change certain conditions for the existence of a certain category of citizens. At the same time, some preferences and benefits are introduced. Some may be canceled. But which guarantees were canceled in Russia - I do not know and have not heard about it. Do not give out fears as real. Look at the situation with a simple look. The state has not withdrawn any obligations!
The state, I repeat, has changed (will change) some conditions.

By the way, I’ll throw you Temko ... This young-age pension reform will probably not affect modern young growth. Why? And how many pension reforms have been since the beginning of the 90s? You do not remember? And I remember - maybe ten. Every three years, something changes. Sorry, but I'm more than sure that by the time I retire, my eldest daughter will see completely different conditions than we see now. Well, what's the point of breaking spears now? It's easier to work for 5 years. All the same, you’ll stay to work, only from the state you will begin to receive one and a half chervonets later ... By the way, I’ve been retired for 5 years already ...

[reservist]

Quote: Alexey Sobolev

Well, what's the point of breaking spears now? It's easier to work for 5 years. All the same, you’ll stay to work, only from the state you will begin to receive one and a half chervonets later ...

Have you had any job search experience after 50?
Raising the retirement age will add several million workers to the labor market, predict, pls, what will happen to the average salaries (from which taxes are paid) and purchasing power (which determines the demand for goods and services)?

[Alexey Sobolev]

Raising the retirement age will add several million workers to the labor market, predict, pls, what will happen to the average salaries (from which taxes are paid) and purchasing power (which determines the demand for goods and services)?

Yes, nothing will change ... Believe me ...

[reservist]

on word ? Or are there any calculations?

[Alexey Sobolev]

Have you had any job search experience after 50?

Just! In May, he stopped one job and taking the initiative already at the end of June began working on another job. I am in the topic that I work now, a pro and therefore did not have to search for a long time. Those who do not have anything in their hands look for a long time, and professionals on the road do not wallow at any age.
By the way, I have been retired for 4,5 years (due to a sore) and in 2 months I will already start "over 50" ... :))

[reservist]

Quote: Alexey Sobolev

in 2 months I will already start "over 50"

those. job search experience after 50 no

[reservist]

Quote: Alexey Sobolev

I am in the topic that I work now, a pro and therefore did not have to search for a long time.

in any field of activity, high-class professionals do not say that there is a lot of people and it’s really not a problem to find a job, but in the country there are about 70 million workers and most of them have quite a normal average qualification and they get a typical average salary, and here they are basically form the environment in which we all live ...

[Claymore]

Quote: Alexey Sobolev

Because it is not the task of the state. The state provides the conditions for the existence of citizens, but citizens ensure for themselves the quality of existence

Open the constitution, dependent. )))

[Freeman]

Alexey Sobolev Today, 17:09
Why Bulk ... does not help target such grandmothers. He has money - make a fund to help grandmothers and help ...
Buy granny tablets and tubes for the whole world that helped ...

That is, you propose to continue to collect money from citizens for treatment of unfortunate children, using SMS, instead of organizing a decent health system?
Then I have a question - Why do we need a state?

[Alexey Sobolev]

That is, you propose to continue to collect money from citizens for treatment of unfortunate children, using SMS, instead of organizing a decent health system?

I do not offer anything. And even more so to collect money through SMS. Have you been taught little? Well send SMS. If I can help anyone, then only knowing whom. I already ran into swindlers with SMS, though it was a very long time ago. Since then he has become wiser and I do not believe. Want to believe - your right.

Then I have a question - Why do we need such a state?

Well, if you do not need such a state, then who keeps you in it - go to the one that suits you. Can you find it? Even though I am not satisfied with "such" state, I understand the living conditions in it and use what these conditions give me. A fitter? No more than each of the citizens of "such" state (or any other). Just don't waste my time on stupid protests and rallies. It's better to go fishing ...

[Doliva63]

Residence - to another, when under 60? Yes, you are sick, my friend! Here you should urgently move to where you will be treated. May be.

[Alexey Sobolev]

Residence - to another, when under 60?

Then do not whine once you have found an excuse for your own fears and laziness ...

[uskrabut]

Quote: The Siberian Barber

"life has become better, life has become more fun ..!" (c)

Creep has become better! Horror has become fun!

[Alexey Sobolev]

Creep has become better! Horror has become fun!

What's so much funnier? Today or 20 years ago?

[faiver]

the sum does not change from the change of places of terms ...

[Alexey Sobolev]

the sum does not change from the change of places of terms ...

Excuse me, have you already been 40 years old? If not yet, then I'm sorry, but you are not in the subject. You do not quite understand what it is about.

[faiver]

I really understand what I mean, and I already have 40 ...

[Alexey Sobolev]

Then there are two options:
1. You lived 20 years ago without paying attention to what is happening around, because everything was materially good for you (as is now obvious). I don’t know the specialist, you were highly paid in some topic or just stolen - the tenth thing ...
2. You are a stupid person that you do not see the difference between the standard of living 20 years ago and the current one. Well, between the actual situation in the country. Not political in the sense, but there is banditry, the war in Chechnya and other mess.

[faiver]

I had everything in material terms (as it is now) and I did not steal, but I do not live and live in a vacuum, but among people, the sovereign's people both rob the country and rob, just the payroll changed (and not completely) , no banditry? they just changed a little, and in some places they survived, other mess? and he is in place - “effective managers” are all around in leadership positions, the optimization of healthcare and education is in full swing, and so on. etc., five years before 2014. people were able to work up a little "fat" which is now eating up, and part of the "fat" has been worked up due to active consumer lending ...

[Alexey Sobolev]

Those. you now walk the streets with an eye out gopniks around, you drive a rusty foreign car 15 years old on broken streets, you don’t go to one of dozens of hypermarkets (maybe in your city there isn’t such a thing, I don’t know), you don’t execute ANY documents in one of the MFCs in one window, stand in queues in clinics, in hospitals you have plaster pouring from the ceiling, there are no drugs in pharmacies? So? Sorry, but if so, then this is probably the problem of your city (region), and not the whole country. Yes, I live in fairly good conditions (in St. Petersburg) and these conditions have changed dramatically over 20 years. Obviously, the merit of the authorities is here. Here is an example: in St. Petersburg (as well as in Moscow) at almost every intersection there is a pointer to the intersecting streets and a pointer to the distance to the next next streets. This appeared to some extent thanks to me (he was SMS farmed by the city authorities and asked what could be done), and when I saw this in Moscow I suggested. For which I received a personal thank you from Valentina Ivanovna (sit dear Sosulya in Moscow and do not get out). But the point is not in me, but in the fact that the city authorities attended to and WORK! And now living in St. Petersburg is much more comfortable than 20 years ago. And there is work (you can find) even despite the large number of migrant workers. Those. here in St. Petersburg the conditions are really better than many where in the country, but this is the result of not only money, but also the WORK of the city authorities. Those. the authorities provided conditions for people, thereby fulfilling their direct task. You say that I will go to oppose? No! The jerks who have not seen these changes, or simply fools who want to themselves do not know what and do not appreciate what they have and appeared over the past 20 years, will go against.

[faiver]

here Moscow with St. Petersburg and lives off the rest of the country, somewhere somewhere above in the messages there is a link to YouTube where the average salary in the Ulyanovsk region is announced - 14tysyach (FOURTEEN THOUSAND) rubles.

in hospitals, plaster is pouring from the ceiling

- I haven’t been in hospitals for a long time, but I don’t seem to be streaming in polyclinics, BUT the queues haven’t gone anywhere, and to hell with them, they’re not treating them in polyclinics, but they are documenting me. They made an elementary diagnosis last two months in the last two months
in Germany, the salary of the federal minister is higher than the average salary in the country by 4-6 times, in Russia by 20-50 times
The whole country in St. Petersburg and Moscow will not be able to live, then there will be nobody to feed them ...

[Alexey Sobolev]

That is, in other words, I saw both bad and good. I understand the difference. If everything was bad for you (not for you personally, but where you live), then you cannot compare, and then for you a change of place of the terms really does not change anything. Then I was not quite right and I needed a third point: 3. You both lived in poor environmental conditions, and you live without noticing the difference. Thank you for this involuntary hint - I’ll accept it from now on :))

[reservist]

why, after all, is there a difference between bad and terrible ...

[reservist]

Well, they haven’t reached the default state of 98, but the tendency to put it mildly, is more than alarming ...

[Alexey Sobolev]

Are you an economist? HSE Professor? :))

[faiver]

So can you be an economist or professor at the HSE?

[reservist]

there is never an economist, but in order to understand the obvious, after all, specialized education is not always necessary ...

[Alexey Sobolev]

Yes! "life has become better, life has become more fun ..!" (c)

Compared to what period?

[Vadim237]

Yes!
"life has become better, life has become more fun ..!" (c) - It's like anyone, I personally just fine, in spite of tax increases, orders every year more and more.

[rocket757]

Quote: Alexey Sobolev

in our remote places if you don’t work to the end, many, especially alone, DO NOT SURVIVE!

Have you tried to change your place of residence to another one where there is work? And you try ...

YOU SEE as GRANDMAS IN THE PHARMACIES Crying !!! I SAW !!!

And I have seen. This is very sad. Truth! But this is not a reason to go to protest. This is an occasion to help grandmothers targeted. .............
Ask if I help myself? I help. His own. I can’t alien (if only urgently), because I do not have the opportunity to go on vacation in Monaco ...

And Navalny does not help grandmothers because he doesn’t have money for that. For another ..

The fact that we need to answer this call ... is not, does not fit, I will not name, I do not know such a definition,
In short, the fact that this needs to be answered will send me to the ban for sure !!!
I would answer a man, no matter what, I won’t .... God be his judge!
About Monaco, Navalny and other liberals, struck out, this nonsense is not interesting ....

[Alexey Sobolev]

Well, go to yourself if you have nothing to say ...

[Declarant]

I now have something to say, or rather ask. How do you get a job? And how much do you get paid for each comment?

[The Siberian barber]

Quote: Vadim237

Yes!
"life has become better, life has become more fun ..!" (c) - It's like anyone, I personally just fine, in spite of tax increases, orders every year more and more.

Glad for you personally!)
But, the vast majority do not!) Therefore, they go to rallies!

[Vadim237]

Something I did not see at these rallies the vast majority - one thousandth came out, the population of cities of millionaires.

[rocket757]

We have not yet learned that we need to go out and for the sake of something important, for all of us, for example. We still dream of marrying someone .... but Danko or something similar we don’t have now, Gaponov, Susaninikh, in fact (yes, admirers of HERO will not take offense at ruining the enemy’s strength, but he led nowhere), these are. Worse, these guides to nowhere, do not risk anything and really want to climb on our shoulders to the very top.
If you want, if you don’t want, it pulls you to look into history and look at the experience of the ancestors .... The Bolsheviks and their comrades were able to overcome everything, to defeat.
There was an IDEA - A GOAL, WERE LEADERS, and our people gave strength!

[vatov]

In Nizhny, they no longer recommend going to the rally on September 9.09.2018, XNUMX, because they are not authorized, they are scared by the consequences.

[Alexey Sobolev]

And rightly so. It is even more correct to say not "frighten", but "warn". Not necessarily imprisoned, but problems may arise later. When applying for a job where you may be required to trust the state. Do you understand that you once opposed ...

[Vadim237]

Everyone who leaves will be deprived of pensions - it should be scary.

[Alexey Sobolev]

I wonder on what basis :)) Do not write nonsense ..

[Vadim237]

That's me - cut off.

[Awaz]

this is a typical excuse for kitchen outrages. Her, we are opposed, but we are afraid that we will get bored with cops. And why didn’t they go to authorized rallies? Oh yes cho - I have a sick grandmother, I went to her dacha to cultivate potatoes .. and so on and so on ..

[3vs]

People, come vote in the morning!
And see if there are ballots in the ballot boxes before the ballot starts.

[igorbrsv]

And what should it be? Full bins?

[igorbrsv]

My wife will sit there. I'd rather ask her. She, too, retire

[Shkodnik65]

The fact that "it does not matter how they vote, but it is important how they count" has not been invented today, but VTsIOM is well-known forgive ... here, and counts as they say, or does not count at all, just a talking head.
This is unpleasant: they pushed the warrior with the hard workers with their foreheads, well, like the military is directly to blame !!! What a pension from 45 or 50 years. Sometimes you just feel hatred in the posts, poison drips from the monitor: fat warrant officers, overwhelmed by the power-fed officers, ready to almost shoot civilians "protecting" their dog. Think about it, colleagues, because we, those who are older, went through this in the 90s. We are simply bred, like that broom to break one by one. The fact that such a whistle in the country, including with pensions, is not the old demobilized major to blame and the truck driver, so let's not gnaw each other. Moreover, I very much doubt that the army will shoot at people, not those times, and people understand that in the crowd they are the same hicks as they are, and fat cats are in a completely different place.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Shkodnik65

The fact that "it does not matter how they vote, but it is important how they count" has not been invented today, but VTsIOM is well-known forgive ... here, and counts as they say, or does not count at all, just a talking head.
This is unpleasant: they pushed the warrior with the hard workers with their foreheads, well, like the military is directly to blame !!! What a pension from 45 or 50 years. Sometimes you just feel hatred in the posts, poison drips from the monitor: fat warrant officers, overwhelmed by the power-fed officers, ready to almost shoot civilians "protecting" their dog. Think about it, colleagues, because we, those who are older, went through this in the 90s. We are simply bred, like that broom to break one by one. The fact that such a whistle in the country, including with pensions, is not the old demobilized major to blame and the truck driver, so let's not gnaw each other. Moreover, I very much doubt that the army will shoot at people, not those times, and people understand that in the crowd they are the same hicks as they are, and fat cats are in a completely different place.

The army will be used by civilians and will not be - just the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and Putin's guard.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

The army will be used by civilians and will not be - just the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and Putin's guard.

The army can support the people if they start shooting at people.

[ANCIENT]

Lies of pure water! An explicit order to submit a fake to the people, so that people believe the "official source of information" !!! Only the people in our country are tired of believing lies! !!

[Snail N9]

Since the state is so anxious to "save" the pension fund, and, moreover, it wants to have extra hands on the labor market (it’s just not clear why), that is, there are other (more "humane" for people) options for this "reform", for example, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation proposed leave the terms of retirement the same - 60 and 55 years, but pay not the full pension, but only 60%, adding a few percent to the pension every year with 100% retirement to 67%. For persons who work after 60 years of age, pay only 40% of the pension without an annual increase. Why are such offers not being considered?

[Vadim237]

Mr. Kudrin is now in the Accounts Chamber and has no relation whatsoever to pensions at the moment.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Well, I don’t know how to rebel, but the support of edra in Yaroslavl in my service among 14 people is zero

[Tishka]

That's right, nothing can be solved by the rally, the government spits on them, it is necessary to radically solve the issue!

[Cottager452]

Now it doesn’t matter how they choose or how they think.
Ratings, polls, all this characterizes only how well pro-government political strategists have tuned the television.

[Fungus]

Just people realized that all these protests are a hat. A retirement age everywhere raised except Russia. So a necessary measure. No need to cry.

[reservist]

Quote: Fungus

everywhere they raised their retirement age except Russia. So a necessary measure

yes, a necessary measure
but before "holding" the hands of the labor market, it was necessary to attend to the creation of jobs
before taking money from future retirees, first it was necessary to solve the problem of "gray" salaries from which taxes are not paid
the problem really exists and requires a solution, but they began to solve it at the expense of those who are easiest to "rip off" ...

[Vadim237]

"But before you" hold "the hands of the labor market, it was necessary to attend to the creation of jobs." They are - only there is no one to work, some want to pay a lot, the work is not suitable for others.

[reservist]

Quote: Vadim237

some want to pay a lot,

so serfdom has not yet been returned, which makes it difficult to work where they pay more ...
of course, you can bring the labor market to such a state that they will work "for food", only taxes from such salaries will be received by the treasury "with a gulkin's nose" ...

others do not work.

for example, if health no longer allows, then what is strange about this?
two already deceased relatives stopped turning the steering wheel at exactly 60, they said that it was better to sit at home with their eyesight ...

[Vadim237]

I mean - on the labor market there are no workers of the necessary qualifications, and the specialists are all already employed.

[reservist]

Yes there is such a problem, it’s not enough to train an employee to the required level, then you also have to pay more so that you don’t run away ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Fungus

A retirement age everywhere raised except Russia.

Again, fairy tales about the white bull. The fungus sang. Sound the age of this

Quote: Fungus

everywhere

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Just people realized that all these protests are a hat. A retirement age everywhere raised except Russia. So a necessary measure. No need to cry.

When, when the demonstrations were carried out under the tsar, they also thought so, though later the royal family was slaughtered, and many more to boot ... do not wake it famously, while it is quiet.

[Maverick1812]

Oil is poured into Manitou's ears! Nude Nude!

[Stirbjorn]

Well, everything is logical, after the speech of the GDP, VTsIOM should count it so as to show a decrease in these protest moods, otherwise what happens if it is in vain that he turned to the population ?! VTsIOM is completely dependent on the authorities, therefore it works in one team.

[uskrabut]

Some nevertheless fell for the tragic tone of GDP and even shed a tear. I saw it myself. I don’t understand what else needs to be done to reach some. Can serfdom enter? But even then they will be touched and clap their hands; khalyuyev will not be redone.

[A.]

Something like this approximately.

[Guru]

VTsIOM can be crap in the eyes, and they will speak God's dew.

[Nord2015]

The media stubbornly continues to ignore the protests and the discontent of the people. Talking heads stubbornly prove that black is white. The regional authorities urgently rushed to maintain benefits and report on it on television. Well, why not VTsIOM to join these slender ranks with their imaginary numbers. I can’t argue for everyone, but personally I don’t believe VTsIOM, and the media too. Taught our native state not to believe him.

[Strashila]

Everything is simply disgraceful ... if their opponents nominated one candidate ... it would be the case, and so all these small-town branches blur the voices calling for themselves separately.

[Aingof]

Quote: Alexey Sobolev

People are starting (long ago) to live a lot better than before and there is no reason to go to the square for the sake of the ghostly promises of the protesters.

Speak better? A simple example: in 2013-2014, the average salary in factories and in the city was 15-20k, now 2018 the average salary is 12-18k. Remember the prices of 2013 and now: gasoline, products, electronics. Salaries did not grow; they sagged. Only now in places they began to RESTORE. Many people don’t really eat meat - there is no money. Are we living better? I don’t know how in cities with over one million people, but in the provinces it’s definitely not better. Do you want to earn? Take a shift. Young people are leaving, the population is falling. The province is carefully killed. The only plus is that there are fewer and fewer specialists, and the equipment is becoming more and more complicated, their acute shortage is already felt.

[Vadim237]

What kind of plant is this with a salary of 12 - 18k?

[Aingof]

City of Orsk: CJSC OZEMI, Orsk crushed stone plant, YuUMZ, to list more?
12k rubles a month at the factory for a man is a reality.

[Awaz]

Everything has risen in price at least 2 times. Salaries, if they raise it, are minuscule percentages of 2-3 per year. I have already written more than once: in 13, I paid 100 euros for a flat, now I pay 130-150 euros. Even in euros, prices rose, not to mention rubles.

[Doliva63]

Quote: uskrabut

Quote: Observer2014

Or do the siloviki still have the mind and conscience and will be with the people?

The "siloviks" are the same people and they live in the neighborhood, I suppose you have to drink vodka together.

Have you noticed the difference between police law and police law? If the "siloviks" do not want to lose their jobs, then they will not care about their neighbors or about the vodka they drink.

[kefan]

Breshet, all breshet.

[A.]

The president and the government, as well as their accomplices, are some kind of thimbles, they will goof everybody, patriotic parties are ordered to enter power. It’s hard to compete with this gang of Rus-haters.

[APASUS]

As I understand it. The media voiced the wishes of the authorities, not real facts. I especially like the ratings, well, right all the people of the years work to the grave!

[Awaz]

On the Internet, it is very easy for a beech to resent and pretend to be a freedom fighter. Going out into the street is laziness. If millions would take to the streets, even VTsIOM would be afraid to write such nonsense.
Nobody forces you to do anything, just go to a meeting authorized by the authorities and stand where the thread in the crowd is an hour and a half. It may not even listen to the turbidity that organizers carry, but it is not difficult to get out.
Right now, no one will go to the elections either, and the authorities will calmly without witnesses, the results will be "adjusted" as it is convenient for them. Then they will also broadcast to you through VTsIOM that everyone supported EDRo unanimously ... and Putin's rating rose again to 146 percent.

[shirkoled]

Not the activity of the people is falling, but the rating of Putin and Edrosov !!! Putin is a hidden agent of the IMF is following all the orders of the world government!

[ludrosia]

Quote: shirkoled

Not the activity of the people is falling, but the rating of Putin and Edrosov !!! Putin is a hidden agent of the IMF is following all the orders of the world government!

What are you naive. They don’t execute any orders. They do whatever they want. In Syria and in Crimea, they wanted to spit on the IMF and the USA. What are you talking about stupidity? Do you have any brains and heads? Do you know how to think? They are their own rulers.
I approve of Crimea and Syria. I hate raising the retirement age. And all those enslavers and oppressors of the people who offer, introduce and support raising the retirement age.

[ludrosia]

people don’t want to raise their retirement age. they don’t want people to mess up and die at work. And even pensioners who retired at the old retirement age (men at 60 years old, women at 55 lnt, military and law enforcement agencies in 45 years old, harmful conditions and length of service are preserved) -because pensioners have children and grandchildren — and they don’t want their children and grandchildren — so slavishly — that their children grumble and die like slaves.
This applies to the current working-age working population — they understand this well — that few people live up to the current retirement age (men — 60 years old, women — 55 years old, military and law enforcement agencies — 45 years old, harmful conditions and length of service are preserved) .At this age, people become old, weak, sick, weak. How, for example, do men work after 60 years of such heavy work as loaders, on sawmills, on collective farms ??? Or women after 55 years, on collective farms, in the fields, and so on, yes there are many hard professions. Grandfathers and grandmothers at this age barely move, and they still want to raise their retirement age, a real genocide! This is understood by current working-class people.
This is understood even by three-year-old children and young people, and they don’t want such a slave’s share too! -Koryachitsya and die at work. YES THESE-ALL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PEOPLE-any age and gender.

[ludrosia]

Quote: Snail N9

Since the state is so anxious to "save" the pension fund, and, moreover, it wants to have extra hands on the labor market (it’s just not clear why), that is, there are other (more "humane" for people) options for this "reform", for example, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation proposed leave the terms of retirement the same - 60 and 55 years, but pay not the full pension, but only 60%, adding a few percent to the pension every year with 100% retirement to 67%. For persons who work after 60 years of age, pay only 40% of the pension without an annual increase. Why are such offers not being considered?

PEOPLE DON'T WISH ANY PENSION AGE INCREASE!
N I K A K O E !!!
Whoever wants and can work, let him work. No one, do not mind, please work if you want and you can.But forcing the whole nation to raise the retirement age is forced labor, slavery.

[ludrosia]

Quote: Snail N9

Since the state is so anxious to "save" the pension fund, and, moreover, it wants to have extra hands on the labor market (it’s just not clear why), that is, there are other (more "humane" for people) options for this "reform", for example, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation proposed leave the terms of retirement the same - 60 and 55 years, but pay not the full pension, but only 60%, adding a few percent to the pension every year with 100% retirement to 67%. For persons who work after 60 years of age, pay only 40% of the pension without an annual increase. Why are such offers not being considered?

I hate this Alexei Kudrin and everyone who raises the retirement age and offers and supports raising the retirement age. At least some terrorist dunked him. To this Alexei Kudrin, give him a shovel and send the wagons to unload, confiscating his property. airbags. And then he was saving himself money and an apartment and a car and a house. But now, he had to confiscate all his property and money, give Alexei Kudrin a shovel in his hands, and send the wagons to unload. For such money, how people get on such work and with such conditions, like the people. For as many years as this bastard offers to raise the retirement age. Let's see how he zakugolit and quickly remember about retirement.

[Hiw]

Well, I don’t know, I don’t know, in our village they didn’t even know about the first reading, and the further they got the more, they’re almost ready to take up the pitchfork, they don’t understand what kind of garbage people say, switch to black salaries and don’t pay nichrome taxes, but if the government presses it a little, then hell knows that the people will think up ....... not far from the massacre .....

[dmlescs]

What to protest against? Did the USSR give you pensions? But there is no USSR, just the current pensioners then rode for freedom. Blue yellow.

[Altona]

Bourgeois propaganda is always sharpened by falsehood. VTsIOM is one of the centers of lies. The protests are not constant in time, even if they subside now, it is not a fact that they will not break out in the winter, because the deterioration of the situation of people continues.

[aikon1974]

They have at least ssy eyes, all of God's dew.

[ludrosia]

Quote: dmlescs

What to protest against? Did the USSR give you pensions? But there is no USSR, just the current pensioners then rode for freedom. Blue yellow.

What nonsense are you writing? The people were and voted in favor of preserving the USSR-country. The country was ruined and galloped, such as Alexei Kudrin, parasites of the people.