On the "impeccable" Chinese diesel broke

The border guard patrol ship (PSKR) "Flawless" (project 22460) is waiting for the replacement of the Chinese diesel engine, reports Mil.Press FlotProm.

According to the source of the resource, the diesel engine crashed during tests at the end of August - the crankshaft jammed, the liners were cranked. In addition, 30% nozzles have flowed.

It is expected that in the near future a new engine for the Flawless will be brought from China to Almaz (manufacturer of the ship), where they will replace the faulty unit. After this, the ship will again go to sea. Shipbuilders expect to pass the DSCR on time.

The resource reminds that initially the sentry project of this project was equipped with MTU 16V4000M73L (Germany) engines, but later, due to sanctions, the Chinese diesel CHD622V20CR was chosen.

In the autumn of last year, two Chinese engines installed on the Rook boats broke down during the sea trials. And in the spring of this year, due to problems with the Chinese unit, the commissioning of the Vyshny Volochek small rocket ship was postponed.

The construction of the "Impeccable" is carried out at the St. Petersburg shipbuilding company "Almaz". PSCR was laid in May 2017 of the year and launched in April of this year. The contract for its construction was concluded in 2014 year. The ship's displacement is 630 T, the travel speed is up to 30 knots, autonomy is 30 days.

Comments

[Alexey-74]

And so it will be constantly, until our own will establish the production of engines .....

[Andrey Yuryevich]

The border guard patrol ship (PSKR) “Impeccable” (project 22460) is waiting for the replacement of the Chinese diesel engine

mate ... mate ... mate again ... what were you waiting for? "import substitution" mate. it is better to wait for your own than to dishonor.

[Inok10]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

mate ... mate ... mate again ... what were you waiting for? "import substitution" mate. it is better to wait for your own than to dishonor.

... well, except for redrawing Avatars, there is a desire and literacy what thread to do? ... Andrey Yurievich ?! ... well, at least "bring it up, go don't bother me" ...
... at the moment ... KMZ eats its bread for good reason ... the following dimensions have been prepared for production:
- 23 / 2x30 (pre-production assembly is in progress);
- 18/20;
- 16 / 17
... casting all your own! ... including complex and aluminum ... ... the most "delicious news" not earlier than October of this year ... in general for such insiders, now they give from 10 years or more ... Strict regime ...

[ver_]

... you can wait until the carrot conspiracy .., the oars must be ...

[XXXIII]

Quote: Thrall

Stalin would have already shot a couple of thousand Chinese for such a setup, who turned this engine with files

On the nose is the third world one, and here the engine broke down, we must abandon the engines or let them collect under our control the FSB. And if we always find that glue for the engine, for the ISS they found it, a trifle, but we have ....

[Dead duck]

Quote: XXXIII

need to abandon the engines

right and go to a well-tested time

[sir_obs]

right and go to a well-tested time

Here, and to put the oars of those same Chinese

[Dead duck]

Quote: sir_obs

right and go to a well-tested time

Here, and to put the oars of those same Chinese

we ourselves abundantly find someone to put on oars ...
we will revive the old tradition, so to speak

[venik]

Quote: sir_obs

Here, and to put the oars of those same Chinese

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Unfortunately, they (in the sense of the Chinese) have flippers flying at maximum speed !!!

[mlad]

need to shoot those who can’t do their own engine

[bk316]

need to shoot those who can’t do their own engine

Can you make your own engine?
No - shoot!
Yes, to do sharashka engines!

[ver_]

..clister every morning every day of every day ...

[forcecom]

unfortunately, this will also be the case after the establishment of production; we still have to lick the process technology and eradicate sloppiness.

[Alexey-74]

Well, you need to start sometime .... and so with an eye on some circumstances, they will not bring to good. Today, China is a partner, and tomorrow it is unknown ... and the question is where will we buy engines later?

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: Alexey-74

And so it will be constantly, until our own will establish the production of engines .....

Not all at once. The Germans in 1909 founded production to rive engines of the desired level. The MTU was founded by Maybach himself.

[tap]

Even China does, bad, but does. Russia is not. Is ballet even ahead of the rest? And so in the Big Chinese dancers will jump.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Chinese products have normal quality ... they need to be serviced on time and not as necessary

[Snail N9]

Chinese products have normal quality ... they need to be serviced on time and not as necessary

I join. This is for those who are not familiar with diesel engines: "cranked", "leaked" and like "all at once" - like a "revelation" like: this is what "bad" Chinese equipment is. But in fact, if the injectors "flowed" (and there is probably a combined "pump-injector"), then yes, they need to be changed according to the schedule and the sprayers should not "grind" to save money (which is what we usually do), namely, change. And once the bearings turned over (as I understood - frame bearings), then it could only be one thing - they worked or started up without oil - the oil pump either broke or did not turn on or faulty instrumentation (the pressure was not shown) or something happened to the filters, was one worker left me with a rag after cleaning the crankcase ... And by the way, if this happened during the tests (after the repair), then if the "main" - "frame" bearings were "rolled out", they could "roll" the wrong repair size (wrong number) and even not check the "break-displacement" shaft .... I know how we do "repairs", on "warriors".

[Alexanast]

I know how we do "repairs" on "warriors".

Try to present at least one operation to VP ... Urinate ...

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Snail N9

if the injectors "flowed" (and there probably is a combined "pump-injector") then yes, they need to be changed according to the schedule

Read carefully - during the tests According to the source of the resource, the diesel engine broke down during the tests at the end of August - the crankshaft jammed, the liners turned. In addition, 30% of the nozzles leaked .. If they immediately started pouring what kind of nozzles are they ?????? What kind of fuel equipment? There is not a word about fuel quality.

Quote: Snail N9

And once the bearings are rotated (as I understand it, they are frame)

Not frame but frame. Probably the Chinese left the rag in the crankcase, or does the quality of the metal leave much to be desired, as well as the units? In any case, the German MTU is an order of magnitude better and better than the Chinese CHD622V20. we will not stretch ..

[mlad]

the engine is completely new and the need to change nozzles and bearings did not make sense, and if you change it after a few hours of operation, then you need such a dvigun

[Alexanast]

Quote: Not a liberoid Russian

need to be serviced on time, not as necessary

What to serve ... On trials .. new

[Snail N9]

If the tests are "new", then there it is necessary to observe a bunch of procedures for de-preservation, initial launch, "initial-step run-in", "entering the modes" and so on. Are you sure all this was followed? What happened to the cooling? First of all, and secondly, what kind of diesel engine was it? Really "new"? I've met more than once (and almost always) in my practice, when our amateurs "as cheaply as possible" bought in China (and not only in China) refurbished diesel engines and other equipment, which, before that, for several years lying around somewhere in garbage ... or "warehouses".

[Alexanast]

when our amateurs "as cheaply as possible" bought in China

I don’t know how your lovers are ... And here I am, in order to shove some rubber band into the spare parts,
every day from VP I listen to what he thinks about me ... That the manufacturer is not the one then why two, not one .. .
Not to mention the list and scope of work ...

[123456789]

But is it not customary to call the Chinese representative to launch the Chinese diesel engine in the Navy?

[Marconi41]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

need to be serviced on time, not as necessary

What to serve? The diesel flew on trials. We read carefully (According to the source of the resource, the diesel engine broke down during tests ...)

[NIKN]

A broken by the fact that the Chinese? And the option of inappropriate service is excluded? No, I’m not a marginal, but I’m already tired of statements from the press, I don’t know all the specialists from whom. Everything breaks down and everyone, won’s the Rosroils won’t surpass the Chinese

[Nasrat]

Quote: NIKNN

A broken by the fact that the Chinese? And the option of inappropriate service is excluded?

From the text:
According to the source of the resource, diesel engine failure occurred in tests at the end of August - the crankshaft is jammed, cranked the liners. In addition, 30% of the nozzles leaked.

Service say no? ...

[Mr Credo]

And they could drive the engine at the stand, and then install it. Whose flag is there in the photo? Obviously not Russia. Although the colors match but are arranged vertically. In the Russian flag, colors are arranged horizontally.

[Serg65]

Quote: Mister Creed

Russian flag colors arranged horizontally

So this is .... putinoids, what will you take from them?

[igorka357]

Are you sick of cretinism, a disease? Then, at all Olympiads and the World Cup, the same flags are not correctly hung out .. for all countries at all !!! Before getting clever, you should think about it!

[Nikolai]

Quote: Nasr

diesel engine failure occurred in tests

What are we talking about then? everything is according to plan, did not pass the test, it is not clear what to blame "Perfect"?

[NIKN]

Quote: Nasr

According to the source of the resource, the diesel engine crashed during tests at the end of August - the crankshaft jammed, the liners were cranked. In addition, 30% nozzles have flowed.

I don’t see the problem as such, it didn’t pass and didn’t pass. It was not for nothing that Zumwalt mentioned the turbine from rosroils jammed, it’s not the Chinese to blame? Although you can blame them .. they will endure a lot. And where was our acceptance and was it competent to accept at all.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: NIKNN

And the option of inappropriate service is excluded?

Hmm ... Here it is ...

In the autumn of last year, two Chinese engines installed on the Rook boats broke down during the sea trials. And in the spring of this year, due to problems with the Chinese unit, the commissioning of the Vyshny Volochek small rocket ship was postponed.

And all the breakdowns during the trials (trials, Carl).

[Mr Credo]

And all the breakdowns during the trials (trials, Carl). Like lucky that not after !?

[Corn]

Next comes the question, why do Chinese ships with Chinese engines break extremely rarely, constantly running around without idle repairs?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Corn

why do Chinese ships with Chinese engines break extremely rarely, constantly running around without idle repairs?

Not the fact that they run. There are simply a lot of them, so the illusion of "constant presence" is created.

[parusnik]

Hopefully, on the patrol ship, only the Chinese engine ...

[Thrall]

The captain is most likely Russian

[Non liberoid Russian]

Well, obviously not Belarusian ... all of your captains are engaged in shrimp fishing

[parusnik]

Yeah ... Our company, three years ago, bought two pilot boats built at the Moscow shipbuilding plant .. The boats are good, "luminium" with "cast iron" are ours ... And the rest is German ... Even fuel, oils, we buy the appropriate ones .. because they don't use domestic ones ... they tried to replace them somehow, they almost ditched the engines ...

[Mr Credo]

The captain is also from China! What !? If we use everything imported, so in full! Let's not be trifled! You give imported workers and consumers to imported equipment !!! Hooray comrades, gentlemen and partners !!!

[Chills]

Chinese and broke, broke and Chinese ... A vicious circle of some kind.

[nathanael]

Well, they found it from someone to take .. They still have not learned how to make high-quality metal ...

[Nasrat]

Quote: Nathanael

Well, they found it from someone to take .. They still have not learned how to make high-quality metal ...

Well, here you got excited ... China is the world leader in steel production, and by a wide margin ..
China's steel marking

[Mr Credo]

But the products of Russia are the standard of quality !?

[gukoyan]

... They still have not learned to smelt high-quality metal "...

If the crankshaft is jammed, the liners cranked, it may not be the metal itself, but the banality of oil starvation, the oil pressure may not be enough, or the liners were badly fixed from the factory, so the wedge caught the crankshaft, and then the liners turned, but if during sea trials then the grease failed. Do not be afraid again Nigrol flooded)

[loki565]

We have to do our own engines, not to buy Chinese trash .... even Ukraine can make engines, but we can’t ...

[Vard]

Lure specialists ... Common world practice ... and the problem is solved ...

[rpuropuu]

We have to do our own engines, not to buy Chinese trash .... even Ukraine can make engines, but we can’t ..

The Soviet Union acted very wisely . To prevent migration, production was evenly distributed across the republics, in the same Tajikistan aircraft were built, and in the Baltic states electronics and cars ... That is precisely why Ukraine got many production facilities that we do not have now, and not because they are born engineers "From God"
PS Of course you need to do your own engines. It seems to me that it’s much easier than launching the Union to the ISS .

[Mr Credo]

PS Of course you need to do your own engines. It seems to me that it’s much easier than launching the Union to the ISS soldier. #Yes! If we already have a gas station hose from partners, then you don’t know what is easier and skeptical about impot substitution. And the presence of a mass of trucks of foreign cars does not strengthen faith in the recovery of the Russian economy.

[Serg65]

Quote: rpuropuu

planes were built in Tajikistan

No aircraft built in Tajikistan! Airplanes were built in Uzbekistan!

Quote: rpuropuu

in the Baltic States, electronics and cars

What brand of cars did you make in the Baltic states?

Quote: rpuropuu

It seems to me that it’s much easier than launching the Union to the ISS

Oh my friend, it seems to me that it’s also easier, but the Kolomenets, Dagestanis and Yaroslavl’s have not learned how to do 50 for years ship diesel

[PPD]

Quote: Serg65

What brand of cars did you make in the Baltic states?

RF 2203, RAF 977, for example, Riga, Jelgava.
Base Gas 24 at 2203

[Serg65]

Both RAFs mentioned by you are not cars at all!

[Mr Credo]

So is Ukraine! The whole world community helps them! And Russia has sheer sanctions! What engines can be without the help of the West !? See for yourself! We ourselves cannot, the West does not help. What to do? Go on oars and sails?

[Serg65]

Quote: loki565

even Ukraine can make engines, but we can’t.

Does someone bother you? Probably Putin?

[CAT BAIYUN]

As from my point of view, the Chinese and diesel are not joint concepts. Well, they don’t do really high-quality things. And if they do, then their cost is exactly the same as everyone else. Here the question is not even in the Chinese, but in those financially responsible people who ordered these units. What is the conversation with the Chinese?
“We have to do this.”
- Let's do it. 100 dollars. 3 year warranty.
- Is it cheaper?
- Let's do it. 80 dollars. One year warranty.
- And even cheaper?
- Let's do it. 50 dollars. Warranty only for inclusion.
So maybe it's not about the Chinese ... And they give kickbacks to the account "once" and in decent amounts.

[Nasrat]

The dialogue in your comment - confirm ....

[Flatter]

So diesel was ordered by metal receivers.

[Demon_is_ada]

No The son-in-law works at a factory of heavy mechanical presses, so the Chinese bought ALL the technical documentation for the press, but they mastered only light, large machines they can’t And they sent their specialists to their factory and so on and so forth ... in general, after seven years they said that they would buy ours. And with technical documentation at the factory itself, it’s full of priest, it’s not painted at all what they do At first, the son-in-law fought as best he could, then spat, as a result, if the chain of generations was interrupted, then the press could not be done. There, the nachtsekh has his own notebook, the locksmith has his own with secret records. Two presses don't look alike

[CAT BAIYUN]

But, by the way, what question came to mind .. And what, the military acceptance was not done right? Maybe someone is special in this matter ... the whole tyrnet is replete with announcements on the profile of "military acceptance", etc ... Now in the Russian Federation does someone really exercise such control in full?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: KOT BYUN

But what, military acceptance wasn’t done?

So in China they bought dviguns. But it’s also interesting, do they have military representatives there or not? There are probably for their own. It seems that our trash cheaper. I read, for example, that China drives the highest grade juice concentrate to the USA, Canada and Europe, the middle grades - everyone else buys, and ours - the lowest. And after all they write on the packaging, bastards, that for children, and even they are balabolyat that we should be happy, otherwise the juice would have cost us a pretty penny.

[Vasyan1971]

Not a bit surprised. I am surprised that someone pays money to the Chinese for their shoals. And not only Russia, by the way.

[_Kotegpushisteg_]

how many percent of the vaunted armata of China is the question of questions!

[faiver]

But what about the situation with Kolomna diesel engines?

[Alexanast]

But what about the situation with Kolomna diesel engines?

The Kolomna plant does not produce and never produced a diesel engine of this class.
This is a question for another plant.

[faiver]

I understand the Kolomna diesel engine the size of this boat?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, Chinese engines are not reliable, they themselves need to produce engines, maybe at first they will not be much better, but at least we will be independent in this regard from suppliers and spare parts ...

[iouris]

It seems that this government has successfully got rid of the basic industries of industrial science and competencies. Is that right?

[keeper03]

It is necessary to do Domestic diesels, otherwise we will hope for the "bourgeois" to have them!

[Monster_Fat]

I can't understand ... how a Chinese diesel engine could break down on "Flawless" .... how, in general, something might break there .... he is "Flawless" ....

[gukoyan]

In this world, not everything is perfect and impeccable)

[Monster_Fat]

But, after all, they say, what do you call the ship, so it will "float" .... What, in today's Russia it "does not work"? It remains only to enjoy the "cartoons" ....

[gukoyan]

Well, it doesn’t matter ... They will draw a cartoon like "Perfect" walks the seas to the okeans and he doesn’t care about anything)) garbage question, would there be a desire)

[Ros 56]

So it is necessary to demand the penalty and the new diesel engine in a complete set. And you as narrow-eyed wanted, they like money account.

[Thunderbolt]

speed - up to 30 knots

Thanks to the Chinese comrades, 100% confidence in this is no longer there, because you do not know what and when will fly next time.

[_Ugene_]

Interestingly they have on their warships the same reliability of units

[Vittt]

Quote: Alexey-74

And so it will be constantly, until our own will establish the production of engines .....

I give 76%, which will continue to be so.

[gukoyan]

Interestingly, and on Chinese ships too often engines fail?

[Vittt]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

The border guard patrol ship (PSKR) “Impeccable” (project 22460) is waiting for the replacement of the Chinese diesel engine

mate ... mate ... mate again ... what were you waiting for? "import substitution" mate. it is better to wait for your own than to dishonor.

Remember in the cartoon about Captain Vrungel - "as you name the ship, so it will float to you." So here it is, on the contrary - "whatever you call the ship, it will not float for you." Flawless ... (many idiomatic expressions).

[Vittt]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Quote: Snail N9

if the injectors "flowed" (and there probably is a combined "pump-injector") then yes, they need to be changed according to the schedule

Read carefully - during the tests According to the source of the resource, the diesel engine broke down during the tests at the end of August - the crankshaft jammed, the liners turned. In addition, 30% of the nozzles leaked .. If they immediately started pouring what kind of nozzles are they ?????? What kind of fuel equipment? There is not a word about fuel quality.

Quote: Snail N9

And once the bearings are rotated (as I understand it, they are frame)

Not frame but frame. Probably the Chinese left the rag in the crankcase, or does the quality of the metal leave much to be desired, as well as the units? In any case, the German MTU is an order of magnitude better and better than the Chinese CHD622V20. we will not stretch ..

Oleg, please, do not do this anymore - "without source". Of hopelessness -

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Vittt

Oleg, please, do not do this anymore - "without source". Of hopelessness -

I apologize, There is a sin, sometimes in a hurry to convey the idea of ​​neglecting spelling.

[tank66]

A couple of years ago I flew from Ufa to Samara on a boat, like I drowned near Kazan. It’s not the point. I climbed into the engine room. / deflate, Wassermann put on a project the manager. And let them copy along the way, and the developments for a couple of years will appear ... For the incentive - deputy pensions promise

[vadimtt]

It doesn’t work out that way, for a high-speed boat, a high-speed diesel engine is coming, with a boost, I suppose.

[Vittt]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: NIKNN

A broken by the fact that the Chinese? And the option of inappropriate service is excluded?

From the text:
According to the source of the resource, diesel engine failure occurred in tests at the end of August - the crankshaft is jammed, cranked the liners. In addition, 30% of the nozzles leaked.

Service say no? ...

Listen, Eulampius, service, of course, is. But what the hell is such a technique?

[Vittt]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: Nathanael

Well, they found it from someone to take .. They still have not learned how to make high-quality metal ...

Well, here you got excited ... China is the world leader in steel production, and by a wide margin ..
China's steel marking

The fact that they have their own markings is convinced of this by the team of "impeccable" (with a small letter).

[alex80]

Quote: sir_obs

right and go to a well-tested time

Here, and to put the oars of those same Chinese

I immediately remembered the old joke:
Two submarines collided in the Sea of ​​Japan: Japanese and Chinese.
13 officers were killed on the Japanese side, 3000 rowers were killed on the Chinese side.

[mlad]

Russia has always had problems with high-speed engines, the quality of metals is not an insignificant factor, we’ll do rocket engines, there’s metal, there’s no one seriously doing this, so Stalin would say to work out - everything would go well with the moment

[Demon_is_ada]

There are no problems with high-speed ones, even before the war they flew on aviation diesels, the H1 plane disappeared in the Arctic during the Russia-America flight due to weather conditions ... I just don’t think it was necessary so far, now the sea goers will begin to curse, they can do it and start to do it their

[mlad]

[quote = PPD] [quote = Serg65] What brand of cars did you make in the Baltics? [/ quote]
RF 2203, RAF 977, for example, Riga, Jelgava.

drove past the former RAF, sad .......

[kirillovleva]

We fly in space, but we cannot manufacture any engine. Shame on you!

[gukoyan]

Is it fly?

[KVashentcev]

The Chinese sold his soul to the devil, and a week later she broke ...
There are two troubles in China - quality and quantity
...

[gukoyan]

Why?
This is a pattern ... A high-quality product in large batches is almost impossible to produce)

[Larum]

So they wrote the same thing - in trials.
There is a USA aircraft carrier, about 4 years will experience ...
and here you’re probably still in stock for a year

[GibSoN]

Opinions are divided! Some are confident that the Chinese are great (apparently they will save us all from the angry Americans and the Europeans who support them). Others, in every possible way, come up with excuses that initially should work at least with a multiple margin of safety, since we are talking about military products .. But most importantly, this is all nonsense! The main thing is that everything is bad for the "zamvolta" ... I really can't understand .. Why is all the news in the Russian Federation (and not only on special resources such as VO), 90% percent about foreigners? No, I understand why this is so, demand gives rise to supply .. in the case of the media, this is most relevant! But why such a demand ?! Isn't it possible that someone is really interested in a lot more like that of some "uncle from beyond the hill", whom he never saw, did not know and will not see and does not know the situation is? The paradox, however.

[APASUS]

It is interesting why ours chose China, because with all its commitment to the West, South Korea did not announce sanctions to us, why didn’t they take Korean?

[Darth gazgkull]

Made in China - will give ist ... not quite gut.

[LeonidL]

Shame on you! You need to build your own, and not Chinese junk to buy when the Germans stick their nose in the nose! import substitution, au? !!!!

[martin-159]

It was necessary to order the whole ship in China. Repair under warranty. Conveniently.

[Evil 55]

Well, not like that, which means, and "Perfect" .. It's good that not during the database or not in pursuit of some kind of "counter" ..

[SLAVA]

Hmm, I didn’t know the nozzles could leak, maybe the oil seals? Huh?

[gukoyan]

Nozzles? It’s calm ... In short ... A spring that oscillates the spray needle can jam in the open state, and the fuel from the nozzle will be stupidly poured into the cylinder ...