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NATO Concern: Armata's Secret Opportunities for Baltic Superiority

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NATO has responded to statements by Russian officials that by 2022, 132 units of armored vehicles on the Armata platform will enter the troops with the further transfer of dozens of such armored vehicles to the troops. First of all, attention is drawn to which parts in the territory of the Russian Federation will receive the first serial Tanks T-14 "Armata", the characteristics of which are carefully studied by the "partners". These are units in the territory of the Western Military District, and therefore NATO is already declaring the need for a “technological response”.




Talks about the "technological response" in the North Atlantic military bloc are going on against the background of news from the US military about the actual uselessness of heavy armored vehicles transferred to the Baltic countries, including Abrams tanks, which participate in endless exercises and maneuvers at various levels. It is noted that the scenario itself maneuvers often have to be reviewed already in their process - due to the fact that the tank units of the US Army simply can not pass the entire predetermined route. The Baltic infrastructure is simply not ready to “let through” heavy armored vehicles in the volumes necessary for NATO in the necessary NATO terms. The problem, including, in the "unintended" bridges. Therefore, the exercises are transformed into "parquet" and "demonstration" instead of real, with the development of tactical positions, as noted by the participants themselves.

At the same time, it’s noted in the blogosphere of Western countries that Russia can turn this minus of NATO in the Baltic States into its own plus. And “for this very purpose”, the Armata platform was created, which will be a horror for NATO armored vehicles in the Baltic States. In other words, the discussion in NATO circles boils down to the fact that the newest Russian armored vehicles "have secret opportunities that will allow it to operate effectively" in the conditions of the "Baltic swamps."

A concrete example is also being discussed, when the Russian tank T-14 "Armata" will be more effective than Western models. As an example, given the German technology and "weakened defense of the turret of the tank" Leopard-2 ". It is weakened, as noted, by the use of the PERI-R17A1 panoramic surveillance device. Placing the device in a special shaft in the front (frontal) part of the tower reduced the size of the reservation. At the same time, PERI itself may be ineffective in forest belts and on rugged terrain, making the “poorly protected tank easy booty of“ Almaty ”. At the same time, the specific "secret possibilities" of the Russian T-14 Armata are not reported. Like the gopher, which no one sees, but he is?

Apparently, the purpose of discussing this topic in NATO circles is to request new funds for the needs of the alliance, which, having come close to the borders of the Russian Federation, continues to assert that Russia is the main threat. Under this “threat”, explicit tales are written about the transformation of the Baltic states with its forests and marshes into a tank battlefield.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 2 September 2018 09: 57
    +2
    Oh! would be faster! And we want to see!
    1. bratchanin3
      bratchanin3 2 September 2018 11: 04
      -1
      Interesting, but why do we need you? No, I’m dead, so dead!
      1. Theodore
        Theodore 2 September 2018 17: 32
        -1
        So I do not need you! See the hotz armata! And not on the parade ground ......
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 2 September 2018 13: 16
      +4
      Wait for the trochs ... Well, it’s not an evening! If you have a battery, you’ll have a whistle (that is: a woman-flowers; children-ice-cream ...), and a super-tank ....
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    1. Thrall
      Thrall 2 September 2018 10: 04
      +9
      One track only smile
      1. Nikolai
        Nikolai 2 September 2018 10: 24
        +8
        Secret possibilities of "Armata" for superiority in the Baltics
        Yes, and in Texas he has normal advantages not only in the tribaltics ...
      2. venik
        venik 2 September 2018 10: 27
        +8
        Quote: Thrall
        One track only smile

        =========
        "- Mother! Get out of here as soon as possible: here soon the tanks will pass ...
        “But where will they be here?” Narrow right there !!
        - THESE - will pass !! They have ONE caterpillar!
        - Lord! They were inventing what the hell !!! ... "(feature film" Reciprocal move ") laughing good
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 2 September 2018 11: 00
        +8
        Quote: Thrall
        One track only smile

        Is anyone in doubt? wink
      4. AleksSandro
        AleksSandro 2 September 2018 20: 33
        0
        Well, so that hovercraft, there are also swamps
      5. 97110
        97110 2 September 2018 20: 47
        0
        Quote: Thrall
        One track only smile

        Coastal swimming?
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    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 2 September 2018 12: 47
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      +4
      And which tank will be effective in forests? No.

      But you guessed the fix! Hovercraft!
      1. Varaga
        Varaga 2 September 2018 19: 14
        +1
        That is, flying. )
    4. kozerog
      kozerog 2 September 2018 15: 46
      +2
      Y-yes ... naturally, but this is understandable for those who are adequate, but in the "free, democratic" West, those who are able and willing to "crumple their skulls", judging by the cries and "statements", are very few ... they have their whole brain on their stomachs works...
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 2 September 2018 17: 31
        +2
        Quote: kozerog
        in the "free, democratic" West, there are very few who are able and willing to "crumple their skulls", judging by the cries and "statements" ...

        hi
        But we have "not to take to become", but for how long? - there is a lot of competition and a lot of competitors.
        1. Varaga
          Varaga 2 September 2018 18: 51
          +1
          In the photo, the Basalt anti-ship missile system. And the ship is one of the Project 1164 Atlant cruisers.
          "Moscow", "Varyag", "Marshal Ustinov". Unfinished in Ukraine proper "Ukraine".
          I personally visited the Varyag (formerly Chervona Ukraine in the Black Sea Fleet).
        2. AleksSandro
          AleksSandro 2 September 2018 20: 42
          0
          A little clarification: "Mach" is, as you know, the speed of sound. At the ground, it is 330 m / s, therefore, 1200 km / h, am 10 M = 12000 everything is correct. But as the altitude increases, the air becomes more rarefied, the speed of sound increases, and the kinetic heating of the aircraft skin (be it an airplane or a rocket) decreases and allows you to develop an even greater speed (not in swing, but in km / h). So 12000 is not the limit
    5. Varaga
      Varaga 2 September 2018 18: 36
      +2
      FLYING TANK will be effective in forests and swamps.
      :)
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  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 September 2018 10: 05
    +9
    I am amazed at these NATO idiots. You need to know history. The Germans got the most from us in the head, so they are not very eager to conflict with Russia, because they know it hurts. After all, any idiot understands that it will be more expensive for himself to fight with us, but there is no mind, no, and again no. Do the Tribalts really want to try on their own skin what a "Russian weapon" is.
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 2 September 2018 11: 07
      +6
      Quote: Ros 56
      These NATO idiots amaze me.

      Sorry for my imagination, but NATO is now exactly displayed on this, we all know frame:

      Let's remember "this is my catch" and the 90s.
      Who is here in whose role, who is Sher Khan from a distant land, who is a jackal herald, and who are hungry wolves is clearly visible. And if the Sher Khan knows his strength, he is wary of answers, then his entourage believes that he is omnipotent.
      Everything is exactly the same now in life. And therefore, you need to always have fire at hand.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 September 2018 11: 10
        +1
        I agree, but who is your tobacco? Scumbags or banderlogs? Or something joint?
      2. AleksSandro
        AleksSandro 2 September 2018 20: 51
        0
        Cool comparison, but in the cartoon it was a bit different. There, "hungry wolves" were positive characters, friends of Mowgli and Akello (as well as Baloo, Bagheera and Kaa - also positive characters). Sher Khan had only a small smelly jackal as an ally, which everyone kicked. And in today's reality, "hungry wolves" are not our friends. Although everything is clear with the jackal
    2. Huumi
      Huumi 2 September 2018 11: 13
      -8
      So, as they say, we had to sweat and have to sweat and put millions in the ground, and one of the reasons is their high technical storage and well-developed industry. Yes, they fought online already, and during the winter war we had from a request for airstrike to its deposition took place a day. and ours bombed, plus or minus three kilometers, which then after the end of the war was sorted out and discussed at the very top with the question, “What is the matter, comrades? Why is it worth nothing to invest millions in aviation?”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egkKAZm5_x0
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 September 2018 11: 34
        +8
        Did you see +/- or read where? Why did Hitler get mad at Goering when, in August, Preobrazhensky bombed Berlin a bit. And do not repeat stupid things about technical maintenance and other nonsense. Those technical store is better for those whose equipment wins, but has no masquerade coloring. Yes, German tanks were more comfortable than ours for the crew, and the T-34's cross-country ability was much higher, and not the Tiger, but the thirty-four was recognized by the whole world as the best WWII tank. You can find a bunch of examples on aviation when the Germans bombed their own, so sometimes you do not need to build unsuccessful bombings in the system. Judging by the comments you pulled different things from different places, but you don’t know the essence. And the last, the losses of our soldiers and German are quite comparable, but the fact that ours did not destroy the civilian population of Germany, unlike the destruction by the Germans of our civilian population, just testifies to the supremacy of the spirit of the Soviet soldier over the Nazis. So dear close and do not shine with such a nickname.
        1. Huumi
          Huumi 2 September 2018 11: 42
          -8
          I dropped the link to the historian with an almost minute-by-minute consistent story about the events of the Finnish war with shorthand. For technical maintenance, we haven’t even made a turbo aircraft engine in the whole war! and if you think that we had a super duper diesel engine on t 34, then the Germans upset the Junkers as far back as 36 on air diesel engines, Sherman was delivered to us with diesel engines (the condition of the commission for Lend-Lease deliveries) there were 2 of them what made Sherman an extremely comfortable and quiet car — Read a book — Tanker on a foreign car. The same goes for Valentine. About the bombing of Berlin. Not from that page as the text says. About comparable losses? Can you see the mockery? You are kind of just walking the milestones of the war and count the losses of only the main operations and battles. Or you just went to school in the 80s and besides holding textbooks you didn’t hold anything or you are just too lazy to read something and you go on insults. I have the right here write comments and you don’t have to tell me to close it or not. The technical inventory is the same, the Germans fired at 38, homing. There were torpedoes, bombs, 2 types of serial missiles. We couldn’t even put the engine on the stand for 5 tons of thrust !! ! Here I decided to surprise the T34 that we wanted to remove from production by the year 41, a new tank was already developed; 14 sets of armored hulls were manufactured; and the T34 was completed and it was withdrawn from production as not appropriate
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 2 September 2018 12: 05
            +6
            You were mistaken, I graduated from school when you probably weren’t in the project, and re-read books, enough for a good library. And you don’t stutter about airplanes at all. Yes, there was no jet like the British and Germans, and there couldn’t be, we had no bread to feed everyone. And the Shermans did not win the war, but the thirty-fours and the KV with the ISs, and the miracle of the Grabin’s gun ZiS-3, not at all diminishing the merits of other designers. And the conversation did not go not for the Finnish war, but for the Second World War, but that nobody argues in the Finnish fucked up. The issue should always be considered comprehensively, and not pull out certain facts. The Germans did not expect such resistance and in places were horrified. After all, they did not publish it before and no one knew how they were pounded in boilers, oddly enough in 41. He himself recently learned that tank battles were no worse than the Kursk Bulge. By the way, where did the blitzkrieg go? The one who comes to the enemy’s territory and signs on the Reichstag always wins, the Germans couldn’t at our Reichstag, but we could, and we don’t have to throw mud at our soldiers.
            1. Huumi
              Huumi 2 September 2018 12: 51
              -5
              The Germans didn’t get into the boilers in 41, and even if they went on the flanks and attacked, the reaction was quick, look at the Baltic operations as an example. Regarding the blitzkrieg, it doesn’t seem strange to you that the Germans stood at Moscow for 3 and a half months ? What they gnawed then almost three years from our land? Do you feel the difference? time difference? What are the boilers? What are you talking about? And no one here is pouring mud on our soldiers, here something you made a mistake and I'm sorry, but you went to the wrong library and read the wrong books ... The Germans were terrified and therefore reached Moscow already in three months ... Probably out of fear ...
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              2. Wilderness
                Wilderness 2 September 2018 14: 28
                +3
                I apologize for wedging myself into your debate. Regarding 3 months and already in Moscow - just the benefit of the sudden start of the war, the first hit - it means you have an advantage. But did they survive? And then, in the 44th they answered? And how they answered! About the losses. Combat - about the same. At the beginning of the war we have more, at the end - the Germans. My grandfather began to fight in the 44th, he was just talking about the mountains of German corpses, complete chaos, rout and a mess. Although he noted that the Germans fought fiercely.
                1. Huumi
                  Huumi 2 September 2018 16: 02
                  -1
                  And no one argues about 44 and about what they survived, And they won. And everyone had mountains of corpses, unfortunately how many lectures they didn’t give, facts, etc. and veterans almost all talk about often huge losses with little success, especially in the first period of the war. Even in Stalingrad, according to the historian, a front-line soldier fell for 98 that he returned to this city after the war and lived there until the end, was engaged in calculating losses (for example, the city) for 98, the figure has already exceeded one million, and according to him no one will ever calculate approximately how many died: a huge number of retreating troops flocked to the city in the summer of 42, which often did not have time to record in the states. Especially a lot of blank spots from the boilers of 41-42 when Mannshine defeated 3 of our armies (for example) on the Kerch peninsula and how much was lost in Kharkov’s boiler in 42, the losses are just wild (even officially) compared with them 98 thousand Germans near Stalingrad it’s like this: trifle
                  1. Wilderness
                    Wilderness 2 September 2018 16: 16
                    +1
                    To listen to some of the current historians - so the USSR lost more than there was the entire population (and every year of the war). They now love to pull up fascist propaganda as an undeniable truth. hi
                    1. Huumi
                      Huumi 2 September 2018 16: 50
                      +1
                      You know, I have a military grandfather. The lieutenant for June 41. even there is a photo. I have read many memoirs from his small library. And from memoirs further. A lot of information. Unfortunately, the losses during the war were huge. How many were from 41 to 43 years. how many battles with losses that hair stand on end. The general’s tanker’s memoirs read a book of 70 years! and how they missed. I wrote that all the equipment was knocked out for no more than a month of fighting. They were terrible but gnawed at the enemy and delayed the advance as they could. they took at dawn on June 22 and made a march to the place of the battle schedule and managed to meet the enemy
                    2. mavrus
                      mavrus 2 September 2018 17: 31
                      +1
                      In what kind of World War II ... If we with only the White Finns lost more than the population of the entire Soviet Union together with the allies of Mongolia and Tuva.
                      1. Huumi
                        Huumi 2 September 2018 17: 35
                        -2
                        The losses in Finland amounted to about 250 thousand ... approximately. I wouldn’t be foolish about this topic. If you so want to believe everything that Mo Russia writes is the flag for you. They already contradict the numbers themselves. So much they got angry. I myself right now, recently from the Jagljärvi came from a cop. that is, from the winter war. I myself soaked up places and nature. Go like a thread, for general development
        2. Huumi
          Huumi 2 September 2018 17: 04
          0
          Here’s the story for you by the way. Germans, the sovskaya part attacked the artillery brigade on the march, from the flanks. Our guns didn’t have time to deploy and shoot. We all were killed. One soldier stayed alive that climbed a tree and after ours approached he told what ss sheep were women and adolescents and finished off the wounded. from pistols. According to the veteran, we got upset at the little guy, got angry and then put down guns and smashed the nearby town first. After that we went in and out. And as he said when we left the other side no ss sheep or women or children remained in the town ...
          1. AleksSandro
            AleksSandro 2 September 2018 21: 38
            +2
            The feeling that this "empty / rotten bazaar" will not have an end-edge, if you do not dot all the "and". Some references to some "historians". And historians like Jews have how many, so many opinions. In the 90s, a certain ex-major of the KGB was popular, who imagined himself an ex-general of rezun-suvorov (a great historian !!!) with his "Icebreaker". This is one thing. Then, in the 2000s, a whole team was created to "counter the falsification of history" headed by Svanidze. This is different. Whom to believe? The "kink of the stick" was observed on both sides, especially from the first one. indeed, our potential was not lower than the potential of the enemy, which we exceeded in many respects, and the technique was no worse. One of the main tanks of the Reich was "Lux" with a barrel caliber of either 20 or 30 mm, and the "Schmeiser" (MP-40) replicated in our films was only in the special forces, the rest used rifles. But we allowed the enemy to reach Moscow and the Caucasus. Why? Not because the soldier was bad. Or weapons. Because our bureaucracy, the fear of making independent decisions without looking upward (in order to cover our ass) played a cruel joke: the battalion commander asks for advice from the regiment, he from the divisional commander, he calls the commander, he ... and so on to the very headquarters and "Coba". In the meantime ... It’s too late to do anything. In addition, the best parts of the Wehrmacht that passed Europe and gained good experience were thrown to the east. Well, one should not forget that Adolf Alloizovich plowed all of Europe, and the forces of all Europe were not on our side. In addition to the Germans, the Austrians and their obvious allies (Magyars, Romanians, pasta and Finns) there were also French, Dutch, Danes, Slovaks and others. When in May 1945, Keitel signed the act of surrender with the victorious countries, he, seeing the French, was extremely surprised: why are you winners too ?! But in the first year of the war there were temporary setbacks, then everything leveled off. Zhukov, of course, did not spare people, saying: what trouble? Women still give birth! It was not for nothing that Vissarionich then "lowered" him below the plinth, accusing him of immodesty and ambition, and he was absolutely right! Zhora fell ill with star disease long before the end of the war, regrettably, but it is a fact! And his memoirs are full of lies. whose purpose is to show oneself to the beloved in the best light. But the beginning of the Finnish (winter) war is really a shame. Then, in a 30-degree frost we were advancing in tarpaulin boots, ragcoats, and budenoviks, when the enemy was wearing warm boots, short fur coats and earflaps, put on a white camouflage coat over the top, carried skis with sticks over his shoulder, and a long melee knife on his belt, in hands machine like our PPSh. And all the equipment - tanks, guns, cars were painted white. But the campaign ended triumphantly. And it could not have ended if the necessary changes had not been made (including warm clothes and everything else). But the heads after that also flew. In the sense - many members of the leadership of the Red Army. But they understood the specifics of winter, and near Moscow it was the opposite: ours cannot be distinguished from the Finns from the recent past - fur coats, skis, white tanks.
            1. Huumi
              Huumi 3 September 2018 06: 31
              0
              Many things were lacking in our 41-starting from no connection and yes, the fear of accepting something on our own, and the lack of normal intelligence, there are immeasurable factors and everything is inadequate and led to what we have. dashed off what is supposed to, the pilots "did not fly! what is supposed. What kind of opponents are the Germans or the Japanese? the Germans had a flight time after school for 400 hours, and more for the Japanese in general 600 ... After this, what is the difference from the Soviet pilot pilot?
              There were allies, but with the exception of the Finns and the Romanians, the Magyars, all the other countries there were a couple of creatures, and they did not start "approaching" immediately, gradually. Romanians ... only they showed themselves more or less at Sevastopol ..
  4. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 2 September 2018 10: 07
    +3
    a secret opportunity - this is the height of the tank and weight - will pass under bridges and on bridges
  5. Piramidon
    Piramidon 2 September 2018 10: 17
    +5
    NATO Concern: Armata's Secret Opportunities for Baltic Superiority

    Well, of course, when they created "Armata", all thoughts were only about how we could conquer the Baltic states. fool laughing
  6. XXXIII
    XXXIII 2 September 2018 10: 17
    +4
    NATO Concern: Armata's Secret Opportunities for Baltic Superiority
    It can be repeated a hundred times, but the wooden one from Nato cannot be explained, Russia does not need the Baltic States with any sauce. Nato themselves build a civilization there, the USSR was already building, nothing came of it .... laughing
    1. Huumi
      Huumi 2 September 2018 11: 26
      +2
      It’s for sure that our people went to drink beer and have a good rest. And how many factories there were only electronic engineers and an atomic station, they destroyed and closed everything ... However, like ours ...
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 2 September 2018 11: 42
        +2
        Quote: Huumi
        However, as with us ...

        Yes, but at least we are restoring the Russian Federation, even if not all, but still, and they didn’t even think about restoring them; And ukriki also stand in line for the liver, but in the USSR they stood for sausage .... laughing
        1. Huumi
          Huumi 2 September 2018 18: 06
          +1
          Yes ... even if they restored it a bit, although the mother said that she calculated that there were 20 factories in Petrozavodsk ... they didn’t restore anything. The shipyard in the Moscow Region does something like that .... Housing for the plant’s places is still Peter 1 built.Nothing restored
  7. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 10: 52
    0
    What are these possibilities?))) Rises to his feet and quietly sneaks through the forest? Or is the swamp jumping?)
  8. HMR333
    HMR333 2 September 2018 11: 06
    +2
    for the Baltic States, the usual bayonet bayonet was enough))) NATO dreamers are enough to use the Afghan and then the tower will be completely ripped off!))
  9. Приговор
    Приговор 2 September 2018 11: 13
    +2
    The fruits of treason Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Comrade Stalin would have turned over in his grave if he had learned that in OUR Baltic countries the enemies are going to fight with us.
  10. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 September 2018 11: 16
    +3
    What a stupidity! In 1942, the Wehrmacht had a "tiger", superior at that time, all Soviet tanks in performance characteristics. So what? Have the fronts collapsed? Have you surrendered Leningrad? A single copy of armored weapons cannot radically change the course of battles. History has proven.
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 2 September 2018 16: 58
      +3
      A single instance of armored weapons cannot fundamentally turn the tide of battles.
      ------------------------------------!
      Dear, you probably forgot about panthers and leopards, and the Union at that time 70% of the tanks were T-34. hi
  11. Catfish
    Catfish 4 September 2018 01: 43
    +1
    Quote: Black Sniper

    Dear, you probably forgot about panthers and leopards, and the Union at that time 70% of the tanks were T-34.


    Not for the sake of dispute ... "Leopards" appeared a little later, and by that time the unfortunate Wehrmacht had already glued the fins. As for the "Panthers" with "Tigers", there are no words, the tanks are good and our "thirty-four" was significantly superior before its modernization. But how many were in service? And "Panthers", by the way, were quite "raw", suffered from all kinds of "childhood diseases" and it took time to bring them to the "mind". True, here you need to take into account that the modernized T-VI with a new cannon was more than good. hi
  12. snake
    snake 4 September 2018 09: 54
    0
    "Until 2022, the troops will receive 132 units of armored vehicles on the Armata platform" And these are 132 not only tanks, but also BMP T-15. Eh ... How it all began: 2300 t-14 until 2020! Given that the purchase of Armat type is a priority. The only thing is that on time, and even with some overfulfillment of the plan, only Su-34 are made. For the rest, everything is cutting down on the amount of equipment and postponing the deadlines.