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Minsk-2 blown up and ...?

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The resonant murder of Alexander Zakharchenko, which occurred in Donetsk, caused a strong reaction in certain circles of the DPR and Russia. I don’t even want to talk about Ukraine. There, these certain circles turn inside out for joy.

So, what is known for today.

Zakharchenko was mortally wounded in the restaurant "Separ" during a memorial dinner in memory of Joseph Kobzon. The guard of the head of the republic died on the spot. Zakharchenko himself died in hospital from head injuries incompatible with life.



In addition to Alexander Zakharchenko and his security guard, six more restaurant visitors died, including one child. Total hit 11 people. But, quite possibly, the list of victims is not complete.

Among the victims there are two significant political figures for the republic - the head of the Ministry of Finance of the DPR, the vice-premier Alexander Timofeev (call sign “Tashkent”), the organizer of the event and the head of the youth wing of the local Oplota, Natalya Volkova.

The explosion occurred around 17-30. Judging by the destruction and fire, the power of the explosive device was not less than 800 grams in TNT equivalent.



The technical details of the attack, and there is no doubt about this, will not be known soon. And not really, they are important. Is there a result. So the goal is achieved. Therefore, today it is worth talking about something else. About the premises and causes of this crime.

Alas, but the murder of the head of the republic was expected. A couple of years ago, we wrote that Alexander Zakharchenko was being hunted. Moreover, it was already clear then that in the closest circle of the head of the republic he was “leaking”. Remember the unexpected shelling of the city district, where Zakharchenko arrived, "Gradami".

To say that Zakharchenko badly guarded, it is impossible. One of the authors personally met with Alexander and is well aware that the guards were well organized. "Batu" took care. But...

With full confidence today we can say that the traitor or traitors who leaked the "secret" information about the location of Zakharchenko at a specific time and place in the Ukrainian specialists, are in the "near circle".

In fact, everything is more prosaic. Perhaps some are distracted by some pretentiousness: “Head of the Republic”, “Ministry of State Security”, “Deputy Prime Minister” and so on.

It is probably worth it to descend from heaven to earth, and to understand that in the "republic" an area of ​​half of the Donetsk region, and with the population even less, for such an operation it is not necessary to particularly strain.

The organization of the assassination of the head of the semi-region will not require such tricks as it seems at first glance. Especially when it comes to the former Ukrainian territory. Half the case, wrest territory from Ukraine. The second is to snatch Ukraine from the heads of the inhabitants of the territory.

This, in fact, as a statement of the facts of many murders, which by no means could not do without help "on the ground".
It is clear that in all cases "their own" helped. It is very difficult to imagine that an absolutely left body could enter and shove a mine into a lamp. And knowing the way of life and the psychology of Ukrainian brains, it is generally unrealistic to imagine the appearance in the cafe, located under the hand of the head of security Zakharchenko, “aliens from that side”.

Well, only in the case that with the guts bought by the head of security.

And in our case, a waiter, an electrician or a night guard is enough to turn things around.

By the way, one of the guards has not yet been found. Disappeared somewhere. But these are arguments in favor of the poor.

In any case, Alexander Zakharchenko is no more, most likely, there is no longer “Tashkent”, which Zakharchenko frankly protected, but the point is not that.

The bottom line is that, in principle, all the structures of the DPR have long needed a thorough cleaning. And, according to our information, this cleaning was to begin as soon as possible. Zakharchenko was not listed, his figure suited absolutely all levels. On 146%.

"Tashkent" is a completely different alignment. This gentleman had already become the talk of the town, and if we were told that they had put mine on Timofeyev, it would not have caused surprise.

Another question, who was asleep and in a dream saw Timofeev smeared on the wall, would hardly have started to grab Zakharchenko with him.

Really, if it is not gentlemen from Kiev. This is the more the better.

Thus, the question arises about the purpose of the attack.

The classic “intimidate the citizens of the DPR” looks like a rather pale and frank foolishness. There, who is intimidated - has long been a citizen of Russia and lives in Perm or Rostov. Just destroy Zakharchenko as a person? Also doubtful. Although, it is these versions that will be most actively exaggerated in the media.

Showdown between your own? More interesting, but there is a nuance. We repeat that Zakharchenko arranged ours in all respects. I wouldn’t have arranged it - they would have organized a "fly-fly" in the style of the Carpenter.

Spin Markets Zakharchenko family - well, by local standards tidbit. But the markets for Zakharchenko's wife are open, and anyone who wants to buy cheaper or get a gift for free will definitely run into questions from the relevant people from the relevant authorities. With a question like "you almost goat, Kemu parish decided to give?".

Most of all in a situation, Kiev definitely wins in general and Poroshenko in particular. Why? Let's imagine further developments.

Donbass scared? Ready to give up? Ridiculous. Intimidate those who are already at war more than grandfathers in the Patriotic War? No, not serious somehow. Everybody wanted to spit there for a long time on all these Minsk agreements and all the talk of "big politicians" about peace and friendship, about the forgiveness of deaths, about the need to preserve unity ...

The second nuance. For several years now, the press has used the common phrase that Kiev does not want to talk directly with the Donbas. Today, there is probably no politician who did not say something like that. And let me ask you, will Donbass want to talk to Kiev after this murder? But in Kiev, they also understand this.

Moreover, Poroshenko is clearly looking forward to the start of a big war. As the most radical part of the Ukrainian, and indeed, to be honest, Russian society.

In any case, today we can speak directly about the undermining of the Minsk agreements. This is a complete failure of the diplomacy of appeasement. And here it’s not even the death of one of the signatories. The thing is, it will start tomorrow.

Political and legal aspect: Zakharchenko was the leader of the unrecognized territory, a separatist, a terrorist and so on according to the version of Kiev and the rest of the world with a few exceptions. However, he was a figure voted by real people.

Any other person who will represent the DPR, even if in Minsk, it is ... like, to formulate it ... a less legitimate figure.

So - the election, anyway. Not the best time for a political show, but nowhere to go. Fortunately, there are people in the DPR who can still (not Pushilin) ​​become the successors of the work of Alexander Zakharchenko.

And here is the nuance again. Elections are not according to the Ukrainian scenario and legislation, which are voiced by the same Minsk ones - an additional trump card for Kiev.

In general, the situation is so-so, the elections are bad, without elections, too. The acting deputy of “Tashkent” is better than nothing, but on the whole the situation is not optimistic.

The fact that the situation as an order plays on Kiev is clear and understandable. The only question is in what form Kiev will realize the obtained advantage, military or financial. But this is a topic for another discussion.
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  1. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 September 2018 06: 36
    +10
    Sadly, Zakharchenko's death does not change anything. Ukraine has long made a decision - the return of Donbass without any "federations" (ie - "tough). The Kremlin continues to play solitaires of economic," gas ", military, electoral risks and has not made its" decision ". Well, Russia will be asked only if the next time you have to save (the budget or brothers from Donetsk).
    ps The temporary identity of the manager from the "Miner" system is depressing. Under the "drain" - just right.
    1. Sxron
      Sxron 2 September 2018 07: 42
      +11
      Quote: samarin1969
      Sadly, Zakharchenko's death does not change anything. Ukraine has long made a decision - the return of Donbass without any "federations" (ie - "tough").

      So it was originally conceived, no agreements (although they could have promised anything and this conflict would not have happened) .. Squeezing out the Russian-speaking population (if in plain text it is genocide) shelling, murders, etc. The Minsk agreements began immediately after the "Ukrop boilers" .. We did not expect such a rebuff!
      Now they are stupidly shooting the leaders of New Russia and constantly bullying Russia ..
      Here's what to do with them ..?

      They do not understand for good ..
      1. krops777
        krops777 2 September 2018 12: 50
        +2
        The Minsk agreements began immediately after the "Ukrop boilers" .. We did not expect such a rebuff!


        The trouble is that Russia did not give the squeeze on the ukronatsiks and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, now not only the Minsk agreements would be autonomous in the broad sense of the word, and even I suppose the birth of a new state - Novorossia would take place.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 2 September 2018 20: 35
      +4
      I agree with you. The authors, for some reason, did not consider the option indicated above, and with him Zakharchenko was a dangerous witness. He knew a lot. Lots of. Any receiver will be able to make the face of Alexander Rodionovich Borodach and say "I don't know," blaming everything on his predecessor ...
      1. dSK
        dSK 2 September 2018 23: 27
        +1
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Any receiver

        Dmitry Viktorovich Trapeznikov (born April 12, 1981, Krasnodar, USSR)

        In April 2016, he was also appointed Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Donetsk People's Republic and head of the Department of Internal and Foreign Policy of the administration of the head of the DPR.
  2. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 2 September 2018 06: 47
    +7
    The fact that the situation is being ordered to play in Kiev is clear and understandable. The only question is in what form Kiev will realize its advantage, military or financial.
    Considering the fact that the junta turns any dubious "change" into an unambiguous "zrada", then in this case they will not get anything but hemorrhoids. Zrada is already being realized in the sense that one of the participants in the process of establishing peace in the Donbas was killed, who, along with Germany and France, was the same guarantor of the fulfillment of the Minsk demands. In fact, by committing this terrorist attack shortly before the presidential elections in Urkaina, Poroshenko struck himself off the list of those with whom one can negotiate about something and thus practically committed political suicide.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 2 September 2018 11: 15
      +2
      In fact, having committed this attack shortly before the presidential election of Urkaina, Poroshenko deleted himself from the list of those with whom it is possible to agree on something and thereby practically committed political suicide.
      .... Dmitry, maybe a "third" party did it all the same ...? .. Precisely in order to delete Potroshenko as a party to the negotiations .. this "third" party, after a long joint work with his ward, is familiar with his obstinacy .. Potroshenko, does not look like a suicide .. But the fact that you noticed that the attempt was completely before the presidential elections in Ukraine is really interesting ..
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 3 September 2018 15: 02
      0
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Considering that the junta turns any dubious "change" into an unambiguous "zrada", then in this case they will receive nothing but hemorrhoids.

      If, as the website constantly states, Minsk is beneficial for Ukraine, then why should they kill Zakharchenko ?! Most likely, as written in the article, this is a showdown business in which Zakharchenko was killed by a trailer.
  3. Boris55
    Boris55 2 September 2018 07: 32
    -1
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov, A. Staver
    Minsk-2 blown up

    What is this? belay In your opinion, it turns out that if we say Gorbachev dies, then perestroika will be canceled and long live the USSR? laughing
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 2 September 2018 08: 36
      +2
      What is this? belay Do you think that if we say Gorbachev dies, then perestroika will be canceled and long live the USSR? laughing

      Dear, what century you live in, what you spotted remembered, or thumped for almost forty years.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 2 September 2018 07: 33
    +14
    Regrettably to write, the LDNR for Russia is like a suitcase without a handle and it's hard to carry and it's a pity to leave ... And now the reason has appeared ... Not right away ... The elections in Ukraine will take place, and after them everything will begin ... Zakharchenko was the core for Donbass, the core has been removed ... Minsk-2 has essentially been denounced ... The militia, there is no one to fight for and nothing for ... Yes, and somehow it is necessary to establish relations with the United States, and these are concessions ... financing of the murder of Zakharchenko was taken over by a "third party" .. The organizers and performers, real, of course, will not be found .. And they will appear later, somewhere in neutral countries ... Alas, the idea of ​​the "Russian World", about which so much has been said , dying before our eyes ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 2 September 2018 07: 56
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      Regrettably writing

      how sad this fact is, but you are right.
      Quote: parusnik
      Militias, there’s no one to fight for anything ... Yes, and relations with the USA somehow need to be established, and this is concessions ...

      I believe that we will see these concessions a little later. LDNR is eliminated in one way or another. Neither Russia nor Ukraine needs them.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 2 September 2018 08: 21
        +6
        LDNR is eliminated in one way or another. Neither Russia nor Ukraine needs them.
        ..Moreover, Russia has repeatedly said that it is for the territorial integrity of Ukraine .. So from the realm of fiction .. if LDNR were given the opportunity to liberate their territories by seizing several areas outside these areas, it would be possible for LDN to exist, there would be no killings of Givi, Motorola, Batman, Zakharchenko .. Yes, and bargaining would be appropriate .. The era of fair revolutions in the world is over, the era of gang revolutions has come ...
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 2 September 2018 07: 56
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      Zakharchenko, was the core for the Donbass, the core was removed .. Minsk-2 was essentially denounced.

      “Minsk” is signed not by citizen Zakharchenko, but by a representative of the DPR authorities! Has the power in the DPR changed? No! So why fear you think that after the murder of one of the representatives of the authorities in the DPR, "Minsk" has become illegitimate?

      By the way, why were there no such cries when Plotnitsky was replaced?

      Can you imagine what the World would become if all that is signed by one leader of the country, after his death it all became invalid?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 2 September 2018 08: 07
        +4
        Minsk-2 is essentially denounced .... So it’s written to me. And not that these agreements are not legitimate .. Legitimacy and denunciation, different concepts ... Google can help you ...
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 2 September 2018 08: 29
          +2
          Quote: parusnik
          Minsk-2 essentially denounced ...

          Googled:

          Denunciation, denunciation (from fr. Denoncer “to terminate”) - state refusal from his prisoner of international contract.

          And when did the DPR, or Ukraine, manage to formalize the refusal from "Minsk"? laughing
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 2 September 2018 09: 34
            +7
            Give, examples of the implementation of the Minsk agreements by the Ukrainian side on points ... And we will continue the conversation further ... laughing And thank God you finally figured it out. What is legitimacy and denunciation .. Google helped ... laughing
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 2 September 2018 10: 08
              -1
              Quote: parusnik
              Give examples of the implementation of the Minsk agreements by the Ukrainian side on points ...

              Everyone knows that the Minsk Agreements are not being implemented. But also everyone knows that no one offered something new in exchange for them, which could lead to their signing by both parties.

              The positive role of the Minsk Agreements is that they deter both sides from full-scale hostilities. No one wants to break them first, which means they work!

              Everyone who opposes them, or casts doubt on them, essentially stands on the side of the West (USA), on the side of Poroshenko, who dream of drawing Russia into the war, so that our guys die for their freedom, so that we do not spend our resources on development, and to war.

              Pressure is exerted on us all over the country, both within the country (pension reform, etc.) and from the outside (sanctions, etc.). The goal is the destruction of Russia by any means.

              Quote: parusnik
              And thank God you finally figured it out. what is legitimacy and denunciation ..

              I hope that Google helped you understand the terms and express your thoughts more meaningfully in the future.
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 2 September 2018 11: 01
                0
                Somehow I don’t really need Google, except to look at the maps ...
                Everyone knows that the Minsk Agreements are not being implemented.
                .... Consequently, they are formally denounced, and unilaterally denounced ... But about the denunciation, there was no official announcement and the corresponding document was not signed .. Although sometimes this is not required, an official notification to the other party is enough ..
                Zakharchenko, was the core for the Donbass, the core was removed .. Minsk-2 was essentially denounced.
                “Minsk” is signed not by citizen Zakharchenko, but by a representative of the DPR authorities! Has the power in the DPR changed? No! So why fear you think that after the murder of one of the representatives of the authorities in the DPR, "Minsk" has become illegitimate?

                ... In what part, in your words, my thought is not expressed meaningfully .. And your meaningful answer about legitimacy ..? I write about denunciation, you ascribe legitimacy to me. Justify ....
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 2 September 2018 11: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: parusnik
                  I write about denunciation, you ascribe legitimacy to me. Justify.

                  do not waste time on it, as it is spinning in a frying pan. Press it, goes to the bottom. You see, it does not answer you.
                2. Boris55
                  Boris55 2 September 2018 11: 21
                  0
                  Quote: parusnik
                  Zakharchenko, was the core for the Donbass, the core was removed ..

                  In the place of Zakharchenko, as well as in place of Plotnitsky, another "core" will come - a holy place is never empty. Is the role of the individual in history great - yes, great. Is Zakharchenko's death critical in relation to the "Minsk agreements" - no. Why? Because the people of Donbass will not rush into the arms of Ukraine with cries of "Moskalyak on Gilyaka" tomorrow. There will be worthy people in his place.
                  To talk about the collapse of the "Minsk Agreements" is to wishful thinking. hi
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 2 September 2018 11: 16
                -4
                Quote: Boris55
                The pressure on us is on the whole front, as within the country (pension reform, etc.)

                and who presses inside the country? Clinton
                Quote: Boris55
                and from the outside (sanctions, etc.)

                But didn’t anyone predict?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 2 September 2018 13: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  do not waste time on it - how it’s spinning in a pan

                  Are you ready to bet 100 green with me that nothing will happen with the Minsk Agreements?

                  Quote: Silvestr
                  and who presses inside the country? Clinton

                  Under the Western elite formed during perestroika.

                  Quote: Silvestr
                  But didn’t anyone predict?

                  This is clear to the student that the stronger we become, the stronger we will be pressed, but this does not mean that we must surrender to the narrow-minded barbarians who have arranged an ecological, economic catastrophe in the World and put the World on the brink of death.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 2 September 2018 08: 46
      +3
      .Militia, there’s no one to fight for anything ..

      The breeze then, it turns out, is not only blowing in the sails, but also for some in the head the last brains have blew out. It’s necessary to write such nonsense, there’s nothing to fight for. For their children, for parents, for sisters and brothers, for their home, for their way of life. For the blood and death of those who defend the Donbass, not for life, but to death, and not write all sorts of crap. People like you, Vlasovites, must be put up against the wall without trial, according to the laws of wartime.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 2 September 2018 09: 32
        +10
        Yes spit, those for whom the LDNR is a bargaining chip, on children, sisters, brothers, home, way of life ... on the blood shed in battles ... They have their own interests ... They do not consider this ... They have their own way of life .Dollars, at home abroad, yachts .. The civil war has been going on for four years .. Our "partners", as they are called, have done NOTHING to ensure that the Ukrainian side fulfills the points of the Minsk agreements, there are no sanctions, pressure on the Ukrainian A simple example, Ukraine pirates on the seas .. "Partners" are silent .. It turns out that everything is within the framework of international laws ... Ukrainians are shelling the LDNR, silence, from the partners .. But Russia is imposed a proposal to bring international peacekeeping forces into Donbass , by the way, the proposal of Ukraine ... Well, I have no brains, blew out ... you must have blown your brains out ... Think ..
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 2 September 2018 09: 54
          -3
          How did you spin, as if under a pitchfork. Immediately found the guilty, the Russians are to blame. Whose flag you have posted, look again and think about what you personally did, except to pound the clave. Who do you blame for non-compliance YOURS interests. Where is all your Ukrainian pride, which you quickly threw under the feet of banderlogs, Donbass alone did not give up and through blood, through death, continues to fight. And you are a compromiser and potential, but no, not potential, you are a real traitor. I have nothing more to tell you. When everything settles down, and this will happen, do not cross out your comments. It is useless, they will remain with us and we will remember you all.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 2 September 2018 11: 04
            -1
            I have nothing more to tell you.
            ... Yes, you couldn’t even say it, since your brains were puffed hi
  5. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 07: 34
    +4
    Worst of all, a war may well begin now, but in a new form. The DNR does not prevent anything from starting to do everything in a mirror. The destruction of senior officers, top officials of the regions ... and you can’t say that you do not have the right ... they still have. But is it worth it?
  6. Uma palata
    Uma palata 2 September 2018 07: 52
    +4
    In the trees, the binoculars of Newton - who benefits, who steered the murder of the leader of Donbass, who performed. Americans taxied, svidomity performed - just like with a Boeing. Americans who are from the number of the old woman Hiloy accomplices, they need war to make money in the war. And to find a specific artist where, from all angles, the outskirts feel hell ... There were those who during the war — during that war, with the Europeans who bravely fought and the hero was like most of the Donbass soldiers today. But how many creatures were there, the Germans licked the boots, and their descendants continue the Deed work. They will give current to the road.
    The Sumerians can now easily smash the Donbass climb, killing the enemy leader. With the Sumerians, the owners-Americans demand results, for feeding, the return is real.
    1. Sxron
      Sxron 2 September 2018 08: 00
      +4
      Quote: Uma Palata
      But how many creatures were there, the Germans licked the boots, and their descendants continue the Deed work.

      It was they who took revenge by climbing out of all the cracks .. They appreciated Russia a lot and made more nasty things .. Khrushchev released them all and presented Crimea in addition.
  7. Semurg
    Semurg 2 September 2018 08: 02
    -3
    Recently my wife had a meeting of classmates. There was one classmate who after 92 moved from Kazakhstan to Lugansk. Now I came to my parents in Shymkent. In general, according to her stories, this whole venture with the LDNR was not worth a damn. Being a resident of such a rebellious territory is a complete kaput. She is relatively lucky to have her parents' housing, but she has no citizenship of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which means she has no official job. The post is mainly addressed to our homegrown fans of the "Russian world", who began after 2014 to raise a wave in our branch of northern Kazakhstan, do you need it?
    1. Sxron
      Sxron 2 September 2018 08: 36
      +10
      Quote: Semurg
      In general, according to her stories, this whole idea with LDNR was not worth a damn. To be a resident of such a rebellious territory is a complete kaput

      Full kaput say .. Well, well ..
      Quote: Semurg
      The post is mainly addressed to our homegrown fans of the "Russian world"

      In Kazakhstan, it is remembered that our brother was squeezed into the eyes, they spoke bluntly, and they behaved insolently in the border areas .. Forgotten Semurg? And many Russians remember it well ..
      This is how the Iskander crews located nearby .. (just kidding!)))
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 2 September 2018 09: 18
        +1
        in the east of Ukraine the grievances were sitting the same, supposedly they don’t hear Donetsk. And people like you, Mikhanov, they were being encouraged, and now they either live under the art or balk around the world.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 2 September 2018 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: Semurg
      In general, according to her stories, this whole idea with LDN was not worth a damn

      I do not pretend to be true, but in Crimea there are so many refugees from the Donbass and everyone on very expensive cars has been renting housing for years. There is money.
      There is a poorer one - they work semi-legally. But home, no way.
      On the other hand, a friend in Ukrainian territory works as a carrier in his own KAMAZ, he is building a house. He gave birth to children. satisfied overall
      This is the situation.
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 2 September 2018 14: 36
      0
      but there is no citizenship of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which means official work
      In the Republic of Kazakhstan, it’s just easy to get a stateless job under an agreement with the employer
  8. Peter Tsar
    Peter Tsar 2 September 2018 08: 06
    +5
    This is extremely sad. But alas, there will be no significant changes.
    Such softness and indecision on the "eastern" side will lead to many more victims. As the thought now walks and forces itself: "In the event of active hostilities there will be hundreds of victims, and thanks to Minsk, we have only one, two, two and three hundred per day, and this is excellent." It's not the same for everybody.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 08: 48
      -3
      What do you mean by decisiveness? Recognition? So it will not help. In this case, we just have to officially enter into conflict with our army. These half-poker in half-sneakers will not calm down. 4 years died, and after recognition they will recede? I don’t believe it
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 2 September 2018 14: 46
        +1
        And what do you mean by decisiveness
        There is no easy solution. It is to create problems and Gordian nodes that the West creates a sanitary cordon Ukraine
  9. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 2 September 2018 10: 01
    +2
    Geographically, I am very far from the LPNR, so I don’t know all the nuances of relations within the people of the unrecognized republics, but Russia's impotent behavior towards the LPR speaks volumes. Perhaps this may offend someone, but I think that separatism is more likely a negative phenomenon for any government and any state than a positive one. For some reason, it so happens that the first wave of enthusiasts - patriots (separatists) and romantics either physically knocked out, or fled to cities and villages. I think that this is not accidental, and little-controlled and initiative leaders (passionaries) are not needed for a stable state. Perhaps Russia has already faced the mentality of the Abkhaz to recognize the independence of the LPNR without looking back? What prevents Russia from recognizing the LDNR and really helping these republics ?? It is clear that Krajina will no longer be in the orbit of Russia and "flirt" with Krajina more expensive.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 2 September 2018 11: 25
      +1
      Quote: bratchanin3
      It is clear that Krajina will no longer be in the orbit of Russia and "flirt" with Krajina more expensive.

      Ukraine has taken an anti-Russian position, and what is bad is not only the authorities, but also the local population. On Tuesday, an employee from Poltava arrives, went to the Sorochinskiy fair. I listen to how things are.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 2 September 2018 12: 07
        +1
        Citizens of Ukraine should not have a pro or anti Russian position, but a pro-Ukrainian one. As I read recently, one Kazakh wrote that he has one country with part of the Russians, but different homelands.
  10. demo
    demo 2 September 2018 10: 34
    +4
    I have a phrase - the Minsk Agreement, causes persistent disgust.
    And if you take into account what I read on the site https://belaruspartisan.by/m/politic/436690/, the same attitude towards such Minsk partisans appears "
    Here you have another brotherly people - Belarusians. They have Zakharchenko and the inhabitants of LDNR - militants.
    "There is a version with the fake murder of Zakharchenko
    The leader of the DPR militants, Alexander Zakharchenko, may not have died in the August 31 blast in the Separ cafe in Donetsk.
    This opinion was expressed to "Apostrophe" by diplomat Vasily Filipchuk.
    He noted that the situation with the murder of Zakharchenko is suspiciously similar to the movie script.
    "The writers, directors, set designers and performers did their best. The Separ cafe, the Kobzon memorial service, the bomb in the lamp ...", the diplomat says.
    He notes that "an explosion of emotion and joy should not overshadow common sense and sober analysis."
    “Moreover, perhaps a lazy one has not read over the past two weeks that it is planned to replace Zakharchenko, that serious changes are coming in the fake“ republics. ”The popular Russian telegram channel even wrote last week that six villas were bought in Venezuela for the most odious LDNR functionaries, who will be sent to a "well-deserved" vacation in the literal sense of the word, "Filipchuk recalls.
    He noted that no one can be sure that on Sunday, September 2, "at the funeral they will really mourn Zakharchenko, and not the body made up."
    He also noted that the real Zakharchenko can "enjoy watching the news of his death over a glass of Margarita somewhere on the Atlantic coast."
    Meanwhile, in Donetsk today they say goodbye to Zakharchenko. The first photos from the funeral appeared. "
  11. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 2 September 2018 10: 38
    0
    Tomorrow was the war. Since if it will be.
  12. L10n77
    L10n77 2 September 2018 13: 17
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov, A. Staver
    Minsk-2 blown up

    What is this? belay In your opinion, it turns out that if we say Gorbachev dies, then perestroika will be canceled and long live the USSR? laughing

    Well, if Gorbachev had been eliminated in 88-89, then the story would have developed differently, not in vain "a good dinner spoon"
  13. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 2 September 2018 13: 50
    +2
    The Minsk agreements were originally "stillborn" and are not worth the paper they are written on. After all, Ukrainians have never recognized Zakharchenko's powers. The only thing that held back the APU from the offensive and destruction of the LPNR was the possible intervention of the Russian army. As long as even a hypothetical possibility of this remains, the "strange war" will continue.
    As for the murder, the authors of the article, I think, are close to the truth, only here:"Squeezing out the Zakharchenko family's markets is a tidbit by local standards " not that.
    Rather, it is about the financial flow through South Ossetia and control over the "Akhmetov" enterprises. This is indeed a pie for which they can kill without batting an eye.
    Well, and "Tashkent" ..., the authors also, in principle, wrote correctly and clearly.
    R.S. Ukrainians all these events at hand, of course.
  14. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 2 September 2018 16: 08
    +1
    Between these lines, the custom-made smell in Kiev is dirty - especially about the "businesses" of the wives of the fighters, meanly killed in the battle against Ukronazism. Who captured the VO?
  15. Victorio
    Victorio 2 September 2018 17: 33
    +1
    I don’t feel like fighting, I lose money too. and if pessimistic, they dragged Novorossia, donbass merged
  16. aristok
    aristok 2 September 2018 21: 50
    +3
    And?
    And what, and ..
    ..a couple of times they menacingly pout their cheeks for the population, Kalantaryan will express concern for the millionth time, and in their circle they will rub their hands from another step to discredit the "Russian world",
    and will continue to drive raw materials abroad, slowly reducing the population that is surplus for the "pipe economy".