When landing in Sochi, the Boeing-737 caught fire. There were 166 people on board.

The accident occurred at the airport of Sochi (Adler). The plane "Boeing-737" when landing caught fire, rolling out of the runway. He rolled in the direction of the river bed, damaging the wing fence. According to the latest data, the side stand eventually collapsed completely. The frames show that the left wing of the liner is almost completely destroyed.

In the local emergency department noted that the aircraft caught fire left engine. The incident occurred around 2: 55 (MSK). The fire of the aircraft was eliminated by the efforts of several fire brigade calculations. It took an hour.

There was a 166 man on board. They were urgently evacuated. Six of them were injured and burned. It is reported that four passengers needed emergency medical care. They were taken to one of the clinics.

A few minutes ago, it was reported that the Sochi airport continued to work normally.

The plane arrived in Sochi from Moscow. He belonged to the company UTAir.

It is noteworthy that the incident with the ignition of the engine on the plane of a Russian airline is not the first in the last few days. Earlier, the left engine caught fire on the Tu-204, which flew to Sochi from Ufa. The plane had to be returned to the airport of departure.

Comments

[Cabbage]

We bought junk in the West for cheap, here are the results ..

[user1212]

And why are so many "parasites" in the world investigating incidents with airplanes if there is you, who can easily establish the causes of fire from a photograph?

[kebeskin]

Eye as they say diamond. We definitely need to appoint a comrade as the chief expert of the Russian Federation for accidents in transport. The rest are unnecessary. We’ll save so much budget.

[Cabbage]

Quote: kebeskin

Eye as they say diamond.

It’s not a diamond for a long time ..)))

Quote: kebeskin

We definitely need to appoint a comrade as the chief expert of the Russian Federation for accidents in transport. The rest are unnecessary. We’ll save so much budget.

Not bad, but I’m for the domestic aviation industry, for its revival and EVERYTHING!

[DEDPIHTO]

hehe TU-204 is also western junk? A private airline seems to race for profit in the first place, and not timely maintenance of the fleet.

[For example]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

A private airline apparently race for profit in the first place, and not

Definitely. But in the United States, Germany, France, Japan, Canada ..... there are entirely state-owned airlines and they are chasing cleanliness in the cabin, delicious lunch and warm slippers for passengers.

[Random]

Quote: For example

there are state-owned airlines and they strive for cleanliness in the cabin, delicious lunch and warm slippers for passengers.

Absolutely right Most recently I flew from Moscow "Turkishami" to Antalya, and to Moscow on "Siberia" and from Moscow to Rostov on "AFL" ... to be honest ... in terms of the entire level of service and comfort ... our "quietly rest on the sidelines"

[igorka357]

And so they have a rest .. you Turkish stewardess excuse me for a blowjob or something ..?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: For example

..here are in the USA, Germany, France, Japan, Canada ..... there are entirely state airlines and they are chasing ..

You seem to have decided to touch everyone around, it turned out funny. And what are these Western state-owned companies called, please remind

[igorka357]

It’s very funny of course .. if the airline put slippers for passengers in the first place, then let White order it right away, since for any airline safety is in the first place, the speed of transportation and profit from them are in the second .. well, then passenger comfort ! And there are no serious state airlines .. remember this!

[Random]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

A private airline seems to race in the first place

Be surprised, but ANY A / K in the first place is .. PROFIT

[LSA57]

Quote: Random

Be surprised, but ANY A / K in the first place is .. PROFIT

like any normal person. make money to support a family

[Random]

Quote: LSA57

like any normal person. make money to support a family

So yes .. but only at A / K the costs of maintenance and maintenance are still added Wake up surprised, a nose-plane is like cognac - with "age" it "gets more and more expensive" (meaning its .. "content") + to this the airports want the same .. "eat", well, all sorts of companies like the Federal Air Transport Agency, etc. .d.

[igorka357]

An interesting comparison of an airplane with cognac .. then of course they explained about maintenance and maintenance .. but you will forgive the cognac for serving .. and keep .. ?

[mgero]

Nu Aeroflot derjit gosudarstvennie dengi v avshorax, a na eto che skajite?

[Random]

Quote: mgero

Nu Aeroflot derjit gosudarstvennie dengi v avshorax, a na eto che skajite?

Aeroflot is a state-owned company, so any expenses and expenditures are compensated from the budget, and all "private traders" ... be so kind as to seek "reserves", that is. "climb" into loans, etc.
Moreover, a state-owned company can afford to "play on tariffs" .. to put it in the language of the 90s ... by banal dumping (In September 2017, it was precisely "for this reason" that JSC VIM-avia went bankrupt.)

[Piramidon]

Quote: Koal

We bought junk in the West for cheap, here are the results .... I'm for the domestic aviation industry

None of the "aviation industry" is immune from this

Earlier, the left engine caught fire on a Tu-204 aircraft, which flew to Sochi from Ufa.

[user1212]

Quote: Koal

Not bad, but I’m for the domestic aviation industry, for its revival and EVERYTHING!

So who is against something. That's all, well, or almost everything, for the revival of the Russian aviation industry. But by making such unfounded accusations you cover the real perpetrators who are actively interfering with this very aviation industry. As an example: you threw it, the public outcry went the wrong way, the investigation took the path of least resistance, politicians reported a solution to the next problem and support the aviation industry, and the scum that sells left-hand parts continues to row loot and TUShki, Sukhiye pr.

[Wolverine]

Quote: Koal

Quote: kebeskin

Eye as they say diamond.

It’s not a diamond for a long time ..)))

Quote: kebeskin

We definitely need to appoint a comrade as the chief expert of the Russian Federation for accidents in transport. The rest are unnecessary. We’ll save so much budget.

Not bad, but I’m for the domestic aviation industry, for its revival and EVERYTHING!

Well done, do not give up ...

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Wolverine

Quote: Koal

Quote: kebeskin

Eye as they say diamond.

It’s not a diamond for a long time ..)))

Quote: kebeskin

We definitely need to appoint a comrade as the chief expert of the Russian Federation for accidents in transport. The rest are unnecessary. We’ll save so much budget.

Not bad, but I’m for the domestic aviation industry, for its revival and EVERYTHING!

Well done, do not give up ...

Yeah. The underground member Mikhan does not surrender to the enemy ... now he writes at the beginning of the text, heh heh, as a call sign.

[igorka357]

It cannot be, this is our good old friend Vitaly Mikhan-he-he "uravpredvsekhshashkoy poseku" .. ???

[Flies]

Well, for the most part, he's right.
I know what technique the helicopters of this company fly on and the principle of service (a complete economy) means it takes haste.

[Random]

Quote: user1212

And why are so many "parasites" in the world investigating incidents with airplanes if there is you, who can easily establish the causes of fire from a photograph?

So yes, but I’ll just give you some OFFICIAL "figures" and statements of the directors of UTair, but make the "conclusions" yourself
1.UTair Airlines is the last of all airlines in the country.carrying out passenger transportation undertook to update and expand your fleet.
2.UUTair There is a large-scale park renewal program, it was planned to be launched in 2018 g., but the situation forced postpone plans for 2019told President of UTair - Passenger Airlines Pavel Permyakov.
3. The fleet renewal program is designed until 2025, 5–7 new planes will arrive annually, Permyakov says. First of all, age-old Boeing 737-500 (there are 32 of them in the park) will be decommissioned. (we already consider it became 31 - photo in the article).
4.UTair is the only major airline in 2014–2017. did not update or expand the fleet.
Well, like that ... if in short

[user1212]

Quote: Random

First of all, age-related Boeing 737-500s will be decommissioned (there are 32 of them in the park), (we already count 31 photos in the article).

Just specify how 108 people were on board the 132-737 local 500-166?

[Random]

Quote: user1212

Just specify how 108 people were on board the 132-737 local 500-166?

Did not read the printed text to the end Boeing 737-800 aircraft with registration number VQ-BJI "laid out" There were 9 aircraft of such a modification, it became ..8th
Thought and fingers are ahead .... vision Thanks for the ... "hint"

[user1212]

737-800 have been delivered since 1998, and this board made its first flight on October 30, 2002. The plane is not new, but its peers quite fly to the EU, that is recognize it as obsolete trash can not. IMHO 1.krivoruky techies or left parts 2. formal maintenance of the aircraft. But nevertheless, the cause of the fire should be established by specialists, and we can only guess from photographs and make assumptions

[Random]

Quote: user1212

The plane is not new, but its peers quite fly to the EU, i.e. recognize it as obsolete trash can not. IMHO 1.krivoruky techies or left parts 2. formal maintenance of the aircraft. But nevertheless, the cause of the fire should be established by specialists, and we can only guess from photographs and make assumptions

I agree with all of you stated!

[LSA57]

Quote: Koal

We bought junk in the West for cheap, here are the results ..

"Earlier, the left engine caught fire on the Tu-204, which flew to Sochi from Ufa."
and how to comment on this?

[Nikolai]

Quote: LSA57

"Previously, the left engine caught fire on the Tu-204, which flew to Sochi from Ufa. "
and how to comment on this?

Maybe with SOCHI what is wrong? And this one in Sochi And that one was going there too ..

[user1212]

Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich

Maybe with SOCHI what is wrong? And this one in Sochi And that one was going there too ..

The vacation season is evidently affecting. Recently the World Cup passed, they also drove equipment as they could

[igor67]

and how is it? it’s strange only why in VO this incident was not in the news

[LSA57]

Quote: igor67

it’s strange only why in VO this incident was not in the news

there was no time. retired discussed

[donavi49]

Well, your Junk is also not very. The brand of the engine is visible there. A fire in flight is a more serious emergency than rolling out and a technical error of almost 100%.
Roll-out on 70% - crew error. That is, he would have decomposed the most-presumable Tu-204 in these conditions.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Koal

We bought junk in the West for cheap, here are the results ..

at least you would have read about the weather conditions first ... heavy rain and wind up to 23 m / s at the time of landing do not affect? As a rule, any major catastrophe occurs for more than one reason, a chain of seemingly insignificant "trifles" leads to it. Especially if a person also participates in it. If there are no talents of Vanga, you should not make conclusions so categorically.

August, according to statistics, takes first place in the number of accidents, and in our country, in general, for any bad events. So the human factor is likely to be the main one in Sochi. One thing is good - no casualties.

[Random]

Quote: Yuyuka

at least they would read about weather conditions first ... heavy rain and wind up to 23 m / s at the time of landing do not affect in any way?

They are absolutely right +, but ... they have the main thing ... Economy ", if there is economy, then there is a" bonus "and most, I'm not afraid of this definition, the AWESOME fact that they have a LEGAL COMMANDER MAKES A DECISION ... that's all. ..no weather, no wind, no stones from the sky ..... ONLY HE IS ONLY .. "the king and God and ... his own boss" ... but the fact that there is a minimum of an airfield, a minimum of an aircraft, a minimum of the commander himself, which at the extreme M \ M did not fly .. "never", at best on a simulator, citizens do not pay attention to this, unfortunately.
Well, plus the level of training ... without "belittling" the merits and skills of the pilots of the old guard of the civilian fleet, but the current youth (their level of training) .. leaves much to be desired
On my own "sitting" I felt that when flying to the capital and back (two different companies) - the conditions are a million to a million. A glide path call ... "like a bull ... but ... well, this is a saome", " "3-storey house", naturally awesome flight. It removes the "gases" (well, that is not for the checkpoints) and annoys them .. how to result .. crashing on the lane with overload ... well, much more than 3 (all luggage racks opened and ... showered from them ) it is good that without the "goat" (the speed of approach and touch is very small).
Something like this

[LSA57]

Quote: Random

THE COMMANDER MAKES A DECISION ... everything ... neither the weather, nor the wind, nor the stones from the sky ..... ONLY HE IS ONE .. "the king and God and .. his own boss" ..

one Pole tried to prove the opposite
a total of 14 investigation

[Random]

Quote: LSA57

one Pole tried to prove the opposite

Such cases .. "carriage and small" cart ... an extreme case in Rostov-on-Don on March 19, 2016.
The crash of the Boeing 737-800 in Rostov-on-Don, which killed 62 people, occurred due to the actions of the pilots. IAC experts came to such conclusions.
Pilots moved the stabilizer of the airliner to the “dive” position, as a result of which the aircraft began an “energetic decline”.
The Federal Air Transport Agency has already demanded that airlines operating Boeing, conduct retraining and additional training for pilots.

[LSA57]

Quote: Random

Such cases .. "carriage and small" cart ...

disaster in Yaroslavl. the commander took off, the co-pilot slowed down

[NN52]

Sergei

And you wanted them to come out on the "butt" on the meter?
Recently (two weeks ago), I flew in the air (from Nizhny to Vnukovo to the Asia-Pacific Region, from Moscow to the Ministry of Water Resources on this Boeing, but of course the crew is probably different), back from MinVOD by Aeroflot, Boeings, as a result, did not attach only on one ... When the teeth do not click ...
But one landing with grinding, it was nice ...
Well, and probably not quite "", but a re-separation, it was in three landings ...

The site does not allow you to write an aviation term, about re-separation, then in quotation marks ...

[Random]

Quote: NN52

And you wanted them to come out on the "butt" on the meter?

okay ... let's give admission to "citizenship" .... let it be 1,5 , but let them be kind in the calculation of 550 ..... "fit"
Dmitry, it was always pleasant for you when you "untwist" on the main struts first the rear pneumatics, and then the front ones ... and the K3-63 is triggered by Ny only when the front pillar is lowered

[Pete mitchell]

Sorry, you are using the correct terminology, are you connected with military aviation? I'll take the liberty of upsetting you anyway

Quote: Random

Quote: Yuyuka

at least they would read about weather conditions first ... heavy rain and wind up to 23 m / s at the time of landing do not affect in any way?

And 23 m / s from which side? Have you seen limitations 737?

Quote: Random

fall out on the end of the "3-storey house", naturally awesome flight

You are mistaken, if they do everything right, then the butt ends at the height of a 5-storey building and there will be no flight

Quote: Random

On my own "sitting" I felt that during the flights

You have to be more modest, who told you that your "seat" is capable of evaluating a correctly performed Boeingy landing? Who said that soft is right, especially under adverse conditions. For the sake of fctm's interest, find, discover that the world does not stand still. I will ask again: are you connected with military aviation?

[Random]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I'll take the liberty of upsetting you anyway

Oh .. for nothing you ... "started" ... oh, nothing
I will not write a lot of "bukFF" .. here is korotenbko. One of this and one "movie" ... I hope nothing further "explain and tell" is not necessary about .. high approach at increased speed?

Quote: Pete Mitchell

You are mistaken, if they do everything right, then the butt ends at the height of a 5-storey building and there will be no flight

Are you serious??? Disappointed ... "at the end"

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Random

Quote: Pete Mitchell

I'll take the liberty of upsetting you anyway

Oh .. for nothing you ... "started" ... oh, nothing
I won't write a lot of "bukFF" .. Are you serious ??? Disappointed ... "at the end"

Well, I modestly do not advise you to compete in fluently English, in the system I was asked to leave classes and not to appear again, not that level.
You wrote one phrase and immediately demonstrated how far you are from modern aviation. It is not my business to give advice, but do not argue with Cook, the person is clearly in the subject, though fully updated.
If you want to continue the discussion, first look at least at fctm and read about papi in general, please do not come back without it.
PS Show cartoons to grandchildren; nobody has canceled documents yet

[Random]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Well, I modestly do not advise you to compete in fluently English, in the system I was asked to leave classes and not to appear again, not that level.

I wrote to you, I wrote to you, and then ... I spat ... "Why am I making excuses to you" and trying to prove something?
Therefore, multiple:
1. Where you were asked to leave is your problem .. go, but I don’t have to advise anything either. and then
I, too .. can advise where you need to ... go!
2. Sincerely Cook-Ohm, if you haven’t noticed, we are just TALKING or TALKING a conversation.
3. Why not look at the airplane flight or, more precisely, the ILE for actions during the approach using various systems? I already know that "citizens" only enter the AP and the automatic altitude control is moved from the ALT position to the APR position, already ... EVENT
4. Why should I study your lighting equipment when we have our own SSP-2?
I understand that they rushed to "protect" my friend, "a rip on the chest", although no one "upset" him
WE DISCUSSED the possibility of ERRORS that could occur during a POSSIBLE PREPARATORY PREPARATORY PROCESS and ERRORS when entering the LANDING.
I brought YOU specifically a PHOTO of such errors and a VIDEO, but you like that ..... "rested their forehead against the gate."
Therefore, let me take my leave and .. I ask you not to bother me more .. "for nothing"

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Random

Therefore, allow me to take my leave and ... I ask you not to bother me.

Take your leave for God’s sake and don’t talk out loud about things that you don’t understand well: the world does not stand still.
If APP engagement is an event, then excuse me how everyone flies ...

[Random]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

and don’t talk aloud about things that you don’t understand well: the world does not stand still.

That ... essentially there is nothing to answer ... and a bear can be taught .. "took off, scored 1000 feet, turned on LNAV, VNAV and ..... you can call a stewardess (there is such an anecdote)

Quote: Pete Mitchell

If APP engagement is an event, then excuse me how everyone flies ...

Therefore, I have already written to you (modern advanced) that you are "operators" and "move" tied along the VT and MVL in the GP and in everything ...
But ... ambition .....
You’d have to take it once to aerobatics ... what would you understand ... what is it ... to fly and you "hold" on the APP up to 140 feet .. because on the hands and on the arrows ... hell you can go.
Okay ... relax ..avia dudes

[NN52]

Random
Sergei
Well, you are hot "Finnish" guys with a Tramp ... One is stubborn, the other is even more stubborn))))
Colleagues, but do not wave us a gram of commercials of 100 pure, for example?
And then we "fly" ... And to the complex too ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Random

once for aerobatics to bring ... what do you understand ... what is ... to fly

Why take it away, I myself flew, never dreamed of a civilian career, it happened, but that's a different story. Not only did I fly on airplanes for aerobatics, but also in helicopters. And he visited civilians in places where not everyone is allowed.
I grappled with you, because I do not consider it possible to measure professional work by the comfort of someone's seat, it was superfluous.
Half a Two, on a hundredth it is always please, you know

[Russia]

God averted the tragedy! A speedy recovery to the victims. So rest after that with such shock and memories. One can see well-known difficulties with luggage.

[ANCIENT]

It’s good that there were no casualties! The crew is definitely well done! !!

[Vyacheslav73]

A few days ago I arrived from Sochi, as I think, I’m feeling uneasy ... It’s good that there are no victims. Now it’s interesting, what was the reason for rolling out of the lane ?, because there 747s sit down without problems ...

[faiver]

Now I wonder, what was the reason for rolling out of the strip?

- weather

[Piramidon]

Quote: faiver

Now I wonder, what was the reason for rolling out of the strip?

- weather

+ failed engine, on which reverse thrust did not work.

[Nikolai]

the data is very sparse. The concept "caught fire on landing" is somehow annoying In my opinion, it caught fire earlier, while the fire affected the landing gear niche, then landing with a damaged pneumatic, with destruction, as a result of rolling out ... Well, it seems, it is difficult to assert without details ...

[faiver]

it was reported that this was the second attempt to land this aircraft, due to heavy rain with gusty wind ...

[Krasnodar]

Glory to Gd, carried

[Guillon]

When will we get rid of the pursuit of profit and put safety first, as in Soviet times !?

[Corn]

So in the USSR, planes fought be healthy, at least as often as rotting bourgeoisie.

[LSA57]

Quote: Corn

So in the USSR, planes fought be healthy, at least as often as rotting bourgeoisie.

I know at least 2 cases that are not words

[Guillon]

They always fought, but now the attitude to safety is not the best!

[Million]

Here he is, a wild grin of capitalism! They will carry people to the junk until the plane finally falls apart

[Cook]

And what is the information that the incident happened due to malfunctioning equipment? They know firsthand how Utah helicopters fly. And what does this have to do with airplanes? Saving on THAT, how is it? Are they saving on filters? Do you know how airworthiness is monitored and maintained? After all, they have nothing to do with the work of civil aviation, but they write all sorts of nonsense. Roll-outs on landing, most often, are due to crew errors, and not due to equipment. And it’s not at all such a rarity, out in the old Rostov airport on the Don, this happened regularly, due to the peculiarities of the runway. God grant that there would not be dead and severely wounded. The aircraft, apparently, will be difficult to recover, if at all possible.

[Flies]

Quote: Cook

They know firsthand how Utah helicopters fly. And what does this have to do with airplanes? Saving on THAT, how is it? Are they saving on filters? Do you know how airworthiness is monitored and maintained? After all, they have nothing to do with the work of civil aviation, but they write all sorts of nonsense.

Believe it or not, I KNOW. I know how to change units from side to side. I know how one technician sits at the "points" (instead of two) and solves problems not related to his specialization using a satellite phone. I know that according to all the documents one cannot dig into the "utyrkas", but that doesn't make it any easier. I know how in small private companies (despite the fact that they are hayut), the equipment is often IN ORDER more well-groomed, and this is precisely thanks to the above-mentioned supervision. Because "Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi". If taken for Iovi- Utah.
And do not think that you are here alone associated with GA.

[Cook]

I don’t think so. Answer whose registration helicopters are youtes? And whose Boeing? Hence the difference in approaches to PLG. What is Article 83 bis know? Who supervises how and when the country of the operator is not the country of registration? To transfer all the problems of operating helicopters to an airplane, at least not correctly. Swap procedure in the process of troubleshooting, and removing the service unit from the idle side, is not welcome, but not prohibited. Do you know what the elephant is called now? A maintenance technician for airframes, engines, and electrical equipment, and according to the law, can carry out certain types of work on AEER. In general, now the line between mechanics and avionics is very arbitrary, I do not see any problems in this. If there is a spare block on the point, the elephant can also change it, and if there is no block, the most ingenious racer will do nothing. Yes, and troubleshooting under supervision of a maintenance coordination center is a legitimate thing. ”

[Random]

Quote: Cook

And what does this have to do with airplanes? Saving on THAT, how is it?

Direct
1. The man simply confused the periodic maintenance and inter-flight training, especially at the intermediate landing aerodrome.
2. What does the Certificates and CURRENT condition of the aircraft do?
3. Roll-outs most often occur from vehicle failures, but that does not exclude errors in the piloting technique.
4. In the "old" airport, God himself commanded to roll out especially from MK pos -220gr not only is the strip .. "humped" (elevation difference of about 3 meters) so also .. at an angle

[Cook]

Here you are, it is immediately evident from military aviation, but also comment on things that, roughly speaking, are not very versed. Utah helicopters are registered in Russia, and accordingly, the maintenance of LG is carried out by the Russian authorities. But for airplanes, Bermuda registration and supervision are carried out by Bermuda authorities. How it looks in practice: twice a year a couple of inspectors come to a specific board. They spend on the analysis and preparation for issuing a certificate of airworthiness for one aircraft, a working week. This includes: physical inspection of the aircraft, analysis of all documentation for maintenance, verification of the correctness of personnel actions. Now everything is stored in electronic form; getting information about any work performed from the system is not a problem. Inspectors have a very good salary, and it is not possible to bribe them. I have sufficient experience working with the authorities of the LG Bermuda and Ireland to confirm this. In addition, regularly, at least once a year, easa arrives for a couple of weeks to check the airline’s technical division for compliance with the maintenance certificate and regulatory requirements. In addition, almost all companies undergo an IOSA audit, where they are checked for compliance with safety standards. Add here, checking the basic facilities of the airline, Rosaviatsia. Plus quality control system checks, etc.
Therefore, I wrote that the condition of aircraft of various registration is controlled in different ways, and it’s at least incorrect to transfer any flaws from helicopters to airplanes.

[Cook]

Perhaps in military aviation, you are rolling out more related to technical problems, there are brake parachutes and all that. But in GA, these are mostly crew errors, see the statistics yourself. If on the aircraft, there are permissible malfunctions in anti-skid and brakes, then it is not allowed to operate it on runways covered with precipitation.

[Random]

Quote: Cook

Perhaps in military aviation, you are rolling out more related to technical problems, there are brake parachutes and all that

Well, you have a reverse ... I mean "my own combat aircraft", not VTA, that's me about TP.

Quote: Cook

If on the aircraft, there are permissible malfunctions in anti-skid and brakes, then it is not allowed to operate it on runways covered with precipitation.

In Rostov there was ARZ№..not to be confused with ATB, which was the same
Then there was also A \ K "......" and so. TK enters the left console and seriously "crumples" it (Tu-134) (I was present there at that time), the plane to the plant ... there was more Tu-134 ... (in storage).
In two days I am going to fly to ...... I find out on the ADP who and what is the same and ... I am surprised to learn that there is a "wrinkled" car, but with a whole console
I hope you don’t need to tell what "SCOPE" of activities and work should have been carried out so that the plane could fly five
Oh yes .. the most important thing .. so to speak, the highlight is that the aircraft remained in storage without ... "console"

[Cook]

Reverse, on modern engines, not like before)) It gives only a brake impulse. You know, the reverse when calculating the required runway length, if it is dry, is not taken into account at all. As for the volume of work, I will not say, if you just squeezed the wing sock, by the way it is removable, then you can rip it off from the other. I don’t think I would find someone who, for example, would fly with a damaged power set of the wing, they would be torn for damage to the aircraft, but not fatally, but for a catastrophe it’s a prison.

[Random]

Quote: Cook

As for the volume of work I won’t say, if you just squeezed the wing sock

No, there they "crushed" specifically the middle part (SCHK), with serious damage to the caeson and a ruptured fuel tank

[Cook]

That is, they hid the most serious damage, quietly changed the SCHK, and in flight? The plant and the airline are far from the same thing, there are too many witnesses and accomplices. Sorry, but I do not believe. More like a bike, but I myself can tell as many as you want, I live for a long time. Or did you want something else to say? What does this case prove?

[Random]

Quote: Cook

Sorry, but I do not believe. More like a bike, but I myself can tell as many as you want, I live for a long time.

Well .. I will not dissuade

[Random]

Quote: Cook

Here you are, it is immediately evident from military aviation, but also comment on things that, roughly speaking, are not very versed.

Konstantin, dear, I do not pretend to be an expert on GA, but what I know, I know:
1. I know what Uteyr is both a helicopter component and an aircraft component.
2. You have completely described the system, how it works, but missing important details that are key. And somehow, your inspectors check everything according to the finished TECHNICAL DOCUMENTS for maintenance and draw information from the electronics (written done, it means done) but but in fact.
When I was "standing next to the An-12" already in civilian life, the representatives of the design bureau came to the plant, where the fully OPEN airplane was standing, and according to the list of WORKS provided by the BULLETIN or REGULATIONS, the correctness of DEFECTATION is checked, then the WORKS performed according to FACT, and not. ..on papers like yours And after that a joint conclusion is prepared and the paper goes to the Federal Antimonopoly Service and, based on these documents, a DECISION is issued for ... renewing the aircraft and renewing the certificate of airworthiness

Quote: Cook

Therefore, I wrote that the condition of aircraft of various registration is controlled in different ways, and it’s at least incorrect to transfer any flaws from helicopters to airplanes.

That's why we are talking on different topics; you are about control, and I am about real-life work

[Cook]

You give an incorrect example. Airworthiness supervision is carried out by the state, right? Where in your case is the state (front, federal military aviation, Federal Air Transport Agency, etc.)? It sits and waits for the paper that will be brought to them: a) the operator and b) the representative of the design bureau. Incidentally, the parties are mutually interested. You, give an example of a semi-legal extension of a resource, on an airplane in which this same resource has ended, it doesn’t matter between overhauls or designated. I’m talking about the renewal of the certificate of airworthiness, which will be renewed once a year, with an intermediate six-month inspection, to an airplane on which all the work stipulated by the maintenance program is carried out in full, defects and malfunctions are timely eliminated, and the resource is not expired. Why, in this case, a representative of the Design Bureau is needed. Regarding the fact that the representative of the design bureau or LG authorities is personally present at the completion of the ballots or services, and they check the actual performance of the work, well, what kind of fairy tales, and why the quality control service then?

[Random]

Quote: Cook

Where in your case is the state (front, federal military aviation, Federal Air Transport Agency, etc.)? It sits and waits for the paper that will be brought to them: a) the operator and b) the representative of the design bureau. Incidentally, the parties are mutually interested.

You yourself answered all the questions.

Quote: Cook

You, give an example of a semi-legal extension of a resource, on an airplane in which this same resource has ended, it doesn’t matter between overhauls or designated.

Any resource ... that by the clock, that by the flight ... EXTENSION is done ONLY SO!
KB ... is it at the forefront or authorized persons?
Have you ever wondered why Volga-Dnepr suddenly became concerned about selling its 124s to the Air Force? And why all the An-12s that fly over the hill "have any flag except ours"?
And "ours" fly only with us?
That's right ... because WITHOUT KB ... all pieces of paper ... these are ... "pieces of paper"

[Piramidon]

Quote: Million

Here he is, a wild grin of capitalism! They will carry people to the junk until the plane finally falls apart

Flight accidents also happen with new aircraft. It depends on who designs and builds and maintains them.

[LSA57]

Quote: Piramidon

Flight accidents also happen with new aircraft. It depends on who designs and builds and maintains them.

yes everywhere they find a "wild grin"
apparently every day before bedtime "capital" Karlushi Marx re-read

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Piramidon

..cidents also happen with new planes. It depends on who designs and builds and maintains them.

To be honest, 737 is not the last in this series. As old William Shakespeare used to say: all is well that ends well

[NN52]

Pete mitchell
Hi Tramp!

Is there really a big flight? And reverse to failure?
And if they entered from the second approach, then the weather was still that ... (rain and wind up to 23 m / s). Wasn’t fate to leave for a spare?
Again, students and fuel economy probably ....

[Cook]

Most likely a flight. SMU, wet strip, night, visual illusions, etc. When you re-enter it happened, let's see what will motivate the failure to spare.

[Random]

Quote: Cook

Most likely a flight.

Probability is almost 100%

Quote: Cook

SMU

Quote: Cook

visual illusions, etc.

So what? Go to "systems" and ..nefig rummage through the "window ... look for a strip with a glance."
"Gathered the arrows in a bunch" and sit .. "smoke" especially on Bobik (two AP and another ATD fairy tale ) the military "groan in quiet envy and sadness)

Quote: Cook

When re-entry happened

I already wrote in the comment above .... The trouble is that you (the "citizens") have a COMMANDER who makes the DECISION ... not the OPP, NPP, NShS and VK like our military) sorry, I'm an "ancient" person, I FAPs .. not usual. as well as GSVTMTRF .... you can say hell ... there used to be MinTrans and FAS, how simple and beautiful it was)
But someone minus you, probably .. 2 upset "someone ... not deservedly? Correct, +

[Cook]

And here I am, for example, getting sick of how a person who is not on the plane can make a decision for someone who is ultimately responsible for the safe outcome of the flight, including his own life, if that? How will a commander who is not used to doing this on the ground make smart decisions in the air?

[Cook]

What you write about, really, if the approach and landing were carried out automatically. I do not think that with such a wind, they planned an automatic landing, there are restrictions. I think I went into the machine, then changed hands, somewhere it blew, somewhere I could not immediately determine the height of the beginning of alignment. The plane is very volatile, perhaps a small one was not immediately delivered, and it whistled in the lane. Gadgets, for which you envy, reduce the crew to two people, you yourself know which co-pilots are gifted, so it turns out that often the cap itself works for everyone.

[Random]

Quote: Cook

And here I am, for example, getting sick of how a person who is not on the plane can make a decision for someone who is ultimately responsible for the safe outcome of the flight, including his own life, if that?

Wrong approach ..categorically:
There is a LEVEL (or opportunity) both for an airplane and for a person and ground systems .. and if it is WRITTEN or there is a tolerance of 100/1000, but in fact 50/800 ... then don’t fuck.

[Cook]

This approach is accepted all over the world. I see that you have very misconceptions about the decision to fly to GA. Everything is the same as you write, there is a minimum of an aircraft, there is at the airfield, there is a PIC. Landing below the minimum is a prerequisite for an accident, a rather severely punished violation. About making a decision: the commander arrives for departure, undergoes a medical examination, gets acquainted with the technical condition of the aircraft, looks at the actual weather, looks at the forecast, looks at the load, is finally determined with refueling, checks the flightplan calculated by the automated system, conducts a briefing with the flight attendants, makes a decision and go ahead, aircraft. Preliminary information transmitted via an Internet to a service tablet is available for initial analysis four hours before departure. Here's something like this, in general terms. Cap is responsible for everything, so he does everything himself, why does he need someone else? What about you? Are you waiting for all the "good", and the flare gun from the porch?))

[Random]

Quote: Cook

This approach has been adopted worldwide. I see that you have very misconceptions about making a decision to fly to GA. All the same as you write, there is a minimum of the plane, there is an airfield, there is a FAC.

There is that is, but in fact .... How everything was actually "observed" for 7 years.

Quote: Cook

there is a pic.

Well, well, well ... how does he get it .. is it m / m? not "the performance of control and training flights with m / m weather"? And what is your .. "gap" m / m between his "confirmation"? Or received 100/1000 and 60/800 in the AZP and this is forever, like a pension for the deputies
Yes ... "the flightplan calculated by the automated system" is SOMETHING, that is. calm ShPP and IShR is ... "Stone Age" ...... have you forgotten about the NL-10M?
No wonder the "people" modern pilots in GA they are called .... "operators".
And if the "computer" of that .. that's all ... "mouth full of earth"?

Quote: Cook

What about you? Are you waiting for all the "good", and the flare gun from the porch?))

So yes .. only a green rocket from .. "balcony" and not from the porch

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Cook

This approach has been adopted worldwide. I see that you have very misconceptions about making a decision to fly to GA.

Juice, dear, you argue with a man who is clearly a former military man, most likely a boss of some sort, probably a long time demobilization and is very far from the level of development of modern aviation. He at least never saw fcom limitation, fctm, papi and poorly represents modern sop, srm, ...
Sunday after all, you have to rest

[Random]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

He at least never saw fcom limitation, fctm, papi and poorly represents modern sop, srm, ...

Again decided to .. "shine" because he warned ... it’s not necessary ... it will hurt, well, or at least .. not conveniently, in front of grateful listeners
So ... on points:
1. AFM is an analogue of the RLE of a domestic aircraft, and not FCOM .
The most basic document, which contains certification restrictions on flight operation and information on how to fly on this aircraft, operate the system in normal and emergency situations.
FCOM not a bit like the solid RLE of domestic aircraft, however, it is often associated with it. Make no mistake ...... .
FCOM is issued by the manufacturer in order to provide crews with information necessary for operation (for example, aircraft systems). And also - to offer your vision of interaction procedures.
FCOM consists of two volumes (Vol 1 and Vol 2) and QRH.
And Limitations is just a chapter on the limitations on the flight operation of an airplane and its systems..
In it, the Boeing offers both AFM restrictions (AFM Limitations), as well as additional restrictions that are not AFM restrictions, but, nevertheless, are considered important for Boeing performance (Non-AFM Limitations).
2.FCTM in principle, a sbrnnik of very good and useful information and recommendations about kkak interact and HOW to fly on this plane - both in normal and not very situations.
And if the FCOM contains standard procedures - i.e., actions that NEED perform reports that NEED to be said in order to complete one or another stage of the flight, then FCTM contains detailed information HOW do it.
About "lighting engineering" and so on ... I won't be anymore ... I'm probably tired, and indeed ... that I "hired" LIKBEZ ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: NN52

And reverse to failure?

If the engine caught fire, then it was most likely turned off. So what is the reverse here.

[Random]

Quote: NN52

Is there really a big flight? And reverse to failure?

In Adler, everything is complicated and .. sunset (layout and glide path over the sea, with all that it implies), relief ... (without the afterburners after a certain milestone, it’s practically impossible to go to the second round) narrow sector of approach at the rate .. well, etc. etc.
Therefore, in reality it is always ... (a little higher and a little bit .. "at revs"), so if you get a high approach, but at an increased speed, and if there is still no rain and no "grip", then it is guaranteed a chance to "try soil density" behind the runway

Quote: NN52

Wasn’t fate on the spare to leave?

And at "whose expense" is this event? ... "They" (citizens) have this ... "strictly"

[Cook]

Caring for a spare is not punished in any way; moreover, it is interpreted as a competent decision. When landing on a substitute under weather conditions, take-off and landing and maintenance fees are taken less. True, you will have to pay for kerosene in full.

[Random]

Quote: Cook

Caring for a spare is not punished in any way; moreover, it is interpreted as a competent decision.

Come on it is you as the head of the company .. "making excuses."

Quote: Cook

When landing on a substitute under weather conditions, take-off and landing and maintenance fees are taken less.

Do not invent , and navigation, and Approach, CIRCLE, LandingStart, Taxiing 4 hours of parking will be given free of charge and then as expected .. for the type and for each kg of cargo ... well, everything else + ATO be so kind to pay ... + passengers for .. "discomfort"

[Cook]

Tell me, on the basis of what will be punished. You don’t think of it when it was paid to passengers for meteorological reasons? Your approaches are very old-fashioned, for a long time everyone understood that one catastrophe or a serious incident is much more expensive than the cost of one extra take-off and landing. Admit, the Flight Manual, which airline did you read?

[Random]

Quote: Cook

Tell me, on the basis of what will be punished.

Officially, of course not, but past the award ... "you fly like plywood"

Quote: Cook

You have very old-fashioned approaches

So I am already "ancient" .... how ... well, we will not elaborate further

[Cook]

There are no bonuses in the pilot’s payment, only the salary and the flight hours, plus the extra charge for class and night, you won’t select them.

[Random]

Quote: Cook

There are no premiums for paying a pilot,

Well yes ... in my time they paid up to 40% of the "salary", now they say that where, how, but ... no more than 18% -20%

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Random

And at "whose expense" is this event? ... "They" (citizens) have this ... "strictly"

Well you really are Random Listen, everything above is already written there and Juice this constantly proves that since you retired, the world has gone ahead and aviation too: you have a poor idea of ​​modern aviation, and even more so if aviation is represented by -737 for example. They do not sell airplanes, they sell everything: training, fcom, sop and even part A if necessary.
And yet, the "citizens" of the Russian air fleet are simply "crushed" by such ideas about go around, in the world this is not at all the case. Probably I will say a seditious thing, but as long as Russian aviation flies on Boeing, airbuses and others, it will not be a trendsetter. So forget everything you remember, the world has gone ahead

[Random]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

They do not sell airplanes, they sell everything: training, fcom, sop and even part A if necessary.

Do you even understand what you are writing about?
That is, you can sell the plane ... and if you need his native forms, passports, flight and technical operation manuals and all the technical descriptions of the aircraft, engines and all components and assemblies .... this ..."... And if need be"
Change the avatar of the F-14 and Lt. Pete Mitchell to .... "Teapot"

Quote: Pete Mitchell

sop and even part

And this is generally ... not amenable to any "comprehension"

[Pete mitchell]

Funny, I said - the world has gone ahead and those who are familiar with this all perfectly understood. At Juice ask

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Random

Change your profile with F-14 and

Do not upset me that you also know military aviation poorly - my picture is my picture

[Pete mitchell]

Uoy, the cons have appeared ;-)
Random , about the educational program: passage of the end of the strip to a standard equipped strip of 50 ft, which is ~ 16-17 meters. The height of one floor is about 3 meters. Total end passage at the height of a five-story building: because you can freeze the ass in a puddle in a puddle, be careful.
I understand the experience, knowledge and rejection of modern flight rules, I also don’t like a lot, but “I have to live in the proposed circumstances”, circumstances suggest boeingi, airbuses. To order the music, you have to fly your own planes, and you still have to follow international standards. What has to offer - aviation authorities - go ahead. And to scoff with strangers and offer your seat as a measuring tool, excuse me 'not camilfo'. Have a nice day

[Random]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Random, regarding the educational program: passage of the end of the strip to a standard equipped 50 ft strip, which is ~ 16-17 meters. The height of one floor is about 3 meters. Total end passage at the height of a five-story building: because you can freeze the ass in a puddle in a puddle, be careful.

Go and .. "kill" the wall. ...... from a height of 50 ft, an alignment maneuver (FLARE) begins, then lowering to a height of 27ft, then holding and .. landing.
You sure .. "fly" on a Boeing ... or in a dream on a ... "broomstick" ????? !
DON'T KEEP OUT !!!

[Pete mitchell]

I’ll tell you one tricky thing, just don’t worry: read the manual, finally.
You are out of circulation and take it easy. Although it doesn't surprise me, I bring "Africans back to earth" from time to time. Do mercy, don't come back, I'm tired of you

[Pete mitchell]

Will you please calm down: you looked at QRH AUTOLAND, did you hear about CATIII? It’s funny. Remember Juice - You have a very misconception about modern aviation. Google it - not quoted

[Pete mitchell]

Look for enlightenment part D. Maybe the time curve will fall into place, though ..
Calm down there retired, take care and health to you

[Pete mitchell]

By the way, are you all-knowing ours, did you recognize the plane on my avatar? Suggest? Not F-14

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Random

from a height of 50 ft, an alignment maneuver (FLARE) begins, then decrease to a height of 27ft, then stand ...

Wildly, I apologize and take my words back: if you land like this, then the flight is really provided. I think these are translation difficulties, do you want the original to be sent both to the machine and normal hand-to-hand combat? Maybe you don’t need to translate? The authors generally compared the translation with the original or saved it on the translation, then it’s clear

[donavi49]

Well, this is a roll-out. Usually rolling out due to the fault of the crew. Less often, on reception (for example, in Brazil, the grooves were not cut, as a result of aquaplaning). It is extremely rare for failure and then combined with crew / reception errors.

[Cook]

Do not consider it impolite, but here it’s more correct to use the term: rolling out of the runway. Rollout happens from a hangar.

[vladimirvn]

Moscow. September 1. INTERFAX.RU - A passenger Boeing flying from Moscow rolled out of the runway after landing at Sochi airport, a source in the city's emergency services told Interfax on Saturday.

"The Boeing 737 landed in Sochi on the second attempt, but the crew did not keep the plane in the runway and it rolled out of bounds, having previously received damage," said the agency's source.

It is reported that the plane crashed into a fence, after which it caught fire. "The Boeing rolled out of the runway, and then, overcoming the safety lane by inertia, hit the parapet and lost its left wing," a source at the airport said. He said that the fire caused by the impact had been extinguished.

[sinnik80]

It is not clear from the news: the engine caught fire BEFORE landing or AFTER. If AFTER, then why did the incident with Tushka drag here?

[faiver]

Quote: greshnik80

The Boeing 737 landed in Sochi on the second attempt, but the crew did not keep the plane in the runway and it rolled out of bounds after being damaged, "the agency's source said.
It is reported that the plane crashed into a fence, after which it caught fire. "The Boeing rolled out of the runway, and then, overcoming the safety lane by inertia, hit the parapet and lost its left wing," a source at the airport said. He said that the fire caused by the impact had been extinguished.

[Berkut24]

This is a good case for raising the question of allowing Boeing to fly in the Russian sky. If the United States considers it normal to justify its desires with any nonsense, then why can't we? You can offer Europe a good deal on the Airbus issue.

[Cook]

You can of course, but the fact is that Airbus installs equipment manufactured in the USA on its aircraft. Over with Iran, how it happened: they concluded a contract, they managed to deliver what was unsold at the plant. And then a ban from mattresses followed, and all sailed. Well and still, the transition from the operation of one model of the aircraft to another, the process is not cheap.

[ODERVIT]

Such incidents, alas, are sad weekdays for everything that is heavier than air, but at the same time moving in airspace. They will figure out the reasons, carry out complexes of measures to exclude repetitions. The main thing is everyone is alive.

[iouris]

The causes and consequences of aviation incidents are too different to be poured into one bottle. If in Ufa the crew acted professionally, then in Adler, most likely, the cause of the accident was a piloting error: the crew overestimated their capabilities in very difficult weather conditions or landed due to fear of material sanctions for "excessive consumption" of fuel and "losses" due to landing at an alternate airfield. The death of the St. Petersburg Tu-154 near Donetsk, the recent disaster in Rostov-on-Don did not lead to a change in algorithms. The owners consider their strategy to be the only correct one.

[Cook]

How do you imagine the financial sanctions for the crew for leaving the alternate aerodrome? Rather overestimate your capabilities.

[iouris]

I specifically imagine: a deduction from the salary of the crew, a decrease in position or even dismissal. For example, near Donetsk, the pilot decided to save about 500 kg of kerosene and tried to occupy the top echelon on an overloaded liner and the plane fell into a flat corkscrew. In Rostov, the crew waited a long time when conditions improved instead of leaving for Krasnodar, in the end they took a huge risk, which did not materialize. The airline management regarded the actions of the crew as correct, despite the loss of life.

[Cook]

And what, did the crew try to take such a risk because of 500 kg of kerosene? I assure you, now there are no sanctions for overspending kerosene, as well as bonuses for its savings. If you have unplanned savings, it means that in the navigational service, the flight calculators calculate the flight too rudely. Purely specifically for what will be punished? For excessive fuel consumption? And I will say that I took too much for greater safety. I am responsible for this, therefore I have the right. And if the amount of additional fuel is justified, no one will say a word. As for the dead colleagues, making a decision to take off, they imagined approximately the true height of the front. Nobody wants to sit with their noses home in a non-basic airport, while on a heading flight, so they decided to fly, and when they took off and found that the front was very high, they made the erroneous decision to jump. I don’t know if they considered the maximum possible echelon in terms of this mass and temperature, apparently not. If they returned, then they would have questions about the correctness of the decision, and not for saving. And it’s not an adult, returning from the floor of the road, maintaining the authority of the commander is also an important matter. The second case is associated with savings indirectly, the crew made a mistake procedurally, when leaving for the second round, and not during the landing, believe me, those sanctions that could apply to him could not make them take such a risk. Most likely, the reluctance of any unnecessary haemorrhoids associated with a spare one, excessive self-confidence, somewhere there was hope, and everything turned out in the most unfavorable way.

[iouris]

The crew did not "try", but specifically killed themselves by killing the passengers. It was a long time ago, although in Rostov - a fresh case, and the operator is foreign, the pilot, it seems, was a Cypriot. However, let's wait for the publication of the results of the investigation of the accident in Adler.

[Captain45]

The plane arrived in Sochi from Moscow. It was owned by UTAir.
And again UTAir. The second serious incident with the aircraft of this company. The first was with the Mi-8 on Vankor. "Something is wrong in the Danish kingdom" (c) William ours, Shakespeare.

[Beby]

Quote: Captain45

"Something is wrong in the Danish kingdom"

Like in the original it was: "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.", The words "wrong"it is not visible here ... The version of the translation" Something has rotted in the Danish state "will be closer to the original.

[sir_obs]

[seregatara1969]

left motors are burning - do I suspect this alone?

[Cook]

Corioles acceleration think guilty?

[Random]

Quote: Cook

Corioles acceleration think guilty?

Well, yes ... the "accelerometers" are left and .. "the axis is a curve, well, and also on the SINS-ah" boards ".. are" confused "