"Sapsan": plywood dummy?

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To post on Facebook, hosted About a month ago, Sergey Sgurts, director of the Defense Express information consulting company, until today, few have paid attention. “Inside,” as the author himself called it, was dedicated to the Independence Day of Ukraine, on the occasion of which everything new that the Ukrainian military industrial complex could create during the years of independence will be shown in Kiev.



The salvo fire system “Alder”, MLRS “Verba”, 155-millimeter self-propelled guns “Bogdana”, and most importantly, operational-tactical complex “Sapsan” - all this will be shown at the parade in honor of the Independence Day of Ukraine 24 of August, Sgurets revealed.

It would seem that an unremarkable stuffing about power in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to which everyone had long been accustomed, should not have provoked a resonance, if it were not for one “but”: in the commentary to the director of Defense Express, an employee of Yuzhmash, who questioned the veracity, came laid out "insider". This is what the media paid attention to.

OTRK "Sapsan"? There is no such OTRK, it simply does not exist either in hardware or in technical documentation, Alexey Vasilenko wrote, noting that the only OTRK “Thunder” never “Sapsan”, and it is done not at the expense of the defense department and not at all for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Under the announced “Defense Express” complex there is no base and nothing at all that could promote the project, and the only thing that can be shown in Kiev is a plywood dummy on a wheelbase, the design bureau officer said.

Indeed, in Soviet times, the Ukrainian military industrial complex was developed quite well, and everything that the Ukrainian defense industry is showing today is nothing more than slightly modernized Soviet armament, but in the case of the Sapsan story different. Based only on this fact, it is necessary to recognize that the future of OTRK, the foundation for the creation of which somehow served the “Thunder”, whose export potential turned out to be small, is questionable.



Nikolai Sungurovsky, director of the Kiev Razumkov Center, noted this point as far back as 2012, expressing confidence that without foreign customers, the project can be considered unprofitable at the ROC stage. In the same year, in the wake of discussing the promising OTRK for its army, some Ukrainian officials even spoke in favor of buying Russian Iskander, which, given today's realities, is a mythical scenario.

The problem of modern Ukraine and its military-industrial complex, experts say, lies in the fact that export prospects are the starting point for the creation of one or another weapon, and not domestic needs of the country, which is why the lion's share of weapons created by Kiev ends its way at the prototype stage, and sometimes and the one before. The same models of equipment, which bring to a seemingly logical conclusion, become victims of haste and underfunding, which is the cause of technical errors. Vivid examples: "Stronghold", "Bucephalus", "Hammer".
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  1. -1
    17 August 2018 06: 23
    Oh, how ... Why be afraid ... Plywood rockets ... They jumped and jumped to ...
    1. +5
      17 August 2018 07: 15
      Quote: Vard
      Why be afraid ... Plywood missiles ...

      Let’s not be engaged in "hat-shaking". Big money is pouring into the defense industry of Ukraine. Time will tell how effective these infusions were.
      1. +1
        17 August 2018 08: 36
        Quote: svp67
        Let’s not be engaged in "hat-shaking". Big money is pouring into the defense industry of Ukraine. Time will tell how effective these infusions were.

        While Ukrainians exhibit plywood models, you can be sure that they will not create anything serious with such an attitude to the matter.
      2. -3
        17 August 2018 10: 47
        No no no. You can not do it this way. It is necessary to represent Ukrainians as narrow-minded pot-headed embroiderers-raguli, digging the Black Sea with Nazi armbands on their sleeves, under the protection of "Javelins" and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The only way. "Kisel TV" - rules .... wink
      3. 0
        17 August 2018 14: 41
        And can I answer you now: the money does not flow into the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, and the pockets of officials through the Ukrainian military-industrial complex. So far, they only succeed, an example of this, all of their weapons projects are ending with ANYTHING! So only if Plywood missiles.
    2. +5
      17 August 2018 15: 02
      Quote: Vard
      0
      Oh, how ... Why be afraid ... Plywood rockets ... They jumped and jumped to ...

      There is such a thing ....
      it looks like "reportage" this brave "plywood"


      https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201808160823-vsoq.htm

      There is no such page on Facebook, and there is no "employee" of "Yuzhmash" Alexey Vasilenko

      pysy
      not very similar to "plywood"

      1. +1
        18 August 2018 13: 04

        https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201808160823-vsoq.htm

        There is no such page on Facebook, and there is no "employee" of "Yuzhmash" Alexey Vasilenko

        Come on. They say - SBU deleted an important post.
        This is Vasilenko! Who doesn’t know him laughing cone. Zgurets so, let's call him "a pseudo-expert serving the Kiev junta" tongue but to the post on the American social network of a certain "Vasilenko" - this is unrealistic truth. And let's blow the whole news !!!
        I don’t know, honestly, how can I talk already a few news this information fake ....
        the trouble is not that the people don’t understand the difference between a post in the American network of the left account (or even a link to it) and a video (at least). If the people evaluate the link to any person’s post as well as videos and photos and statements by the authorities and professionals alike ... then I don’t know. You can manipulate without straining.
        The main thing is the general trend. Ukraine, a fake, -and everyone will believe you ..
        1. 0
          18 August 2018 15: 19
          Knowing the peculiarities of the Ukrainian government, especially the love of plundering its own population, eyewash, "truthfulness" in statements ... I can say everything can be in Ukraine! And cardboard dummies of missiles, and plywood tanks ... The essence of Svido ukrii in this.
          1. -4
            18 August 2018 22: 49
            Quote: 30 vis
            0
            Knowing the peculiarities of the Ukrainian government, especially the love of robbing its own population, eyewash, "truthfulness" in statements ...

            Excuse me, I’ll throw a spoonful of ointment into a barrel of honey ".... but we have (RF) just wrong?
  2. -1
    17 August 2018 08: 47
    some Ukrainian officials even spoke out in favor of buying Russian Iskanders
    Interestingly, after such an offer, officials were lynched right away or surrendered to the SBU?
  3. BAI
    +1
    17 August 2018 09: 04
    Do not underestimate the Ukrainian defense industry. You can joke as much as you like, but this car took a certain Turchinov out of the fire.

    If not for him, Turchinov would not have existed for a long time.
    1. +1
      17 August 2018 10: 45
      Interestingly, they shot all over the car, except for the wheels ???
      1. The comment was deleted.
    2. 0
      17 August 2018 14: 45
      Judging by the photo, this car was tested for bulletproof protection in the frontal projection, and they dragged it there on a winch, so I doubt that this miracle can, in principle, take a long ride. They sculpted it on the basis of jeeps from GM, but initially the cars were not designed for booking, so they did not go for a long time, everything just broke in them.
      1. +1
        18 August 2018 13: 20
        Quote: Kent0001
        Judging by the photo, this car was tested for bulletproof protection in the frontal projection, and they dragged it there on a winch, so I doubt that this miracle can, in principle, take a long ride. They sculpted it on the basis of jeeps from GM, but initially the cars were not designed for booking, so they did not go for a long time, everything just broke in them.

        wave is possible. After all, Cougar Turchinova came under fire and a wheel was pulled out of him. And here everything is neat.
        It was like this

        The frontier guards of the Kharkov border detachment were given a completely restored KrAZ-Cougar. He entered the factory at the end of April after firing with aimed fire from small arms. On sheet armor and bulletproof glass, 72 fingerprints from 7,62 caliber bullets were counted, while the armor withstood shelling and the crew remained alive
    3. 0
      17 August 2018 16: 22
      This is by chance not the armored car in which welds cracked?
    4. +1
      19 August 2018 21: 01
      What straight did Turchinov take out of the fire? And in what place did Turchinov come under fire and under what circumstances? Did they break through the checkpoint first in the DPR, and then back?
  4. -1
    17 August 2018 10: 52
    purchases of Russian Iskanders, which, given today's realities, is a mythical scenario.

    What are the "realities" today? This is the Bgat people! Again, jobs for our industry. Salaries for workers, ice cream children!
    And who will fill the budget? Oh, you ... and .. not at all!
    Or do you want pensions to be completely canceled for people? And they will cancel it after all.
    Business .. he’s so .. don’t put a finger in his ass. Will stamp her foot and the "Skanders" will go where they need to.
  5. +3
    17 August 2018 15: 26
    Believe everything that they write, including in social networks, you should not believe unconditionally. Like the statements of this employee Yuzhmash
    OTRK "Sapsan"? There is no such OTRK, it simply does not exist either in hardware or in technical documentation, Alexey Vasilenko wrote, noting that the only OTRK “Thunder” never “Sapsan”, and it is done not at the expense of the defense department and not at all for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Under the announced “Defense Express” complex there is no base and nothing at all that could promote the project, and the only thing that can be shown in Kiev is a plywood dummy on a wheelbase, the design bureau officer said.

    Let's start with the fact that all OTRK projects in Ukraine in one way or another, but reached a certain stage. Therefore, it is not very correct to say that Sampsan is neither in hardware nor in technical documentation. The Sapsan has been in development for several years. Yes, it’s true, he didn’t get to the hardware, but I don’t believe that there was no design documentation for it. Even "Borisfen", which one might say was the first "paper" project of Yuzhmash, has reached a certain stage. At least there was a preliminary project and a draft design for it.
    The same is with the "Sapsan". Maybe the matter did not reach the operational documentation, but the AP and EP and the materials on research and development were for sure
  6. 0
    17 August 2018 21: 44
    The author's competence is manifested even in the lack of knowledge of the main "accused". If nk am wrong, then the name should sound Zgurets! Through "Z '! What more to read if even such facts are not verified. But the author has a predecessor who two weeks ago described all the shortcomings of the new Bogdan ACS so that he guessed nothing except the caliber. I would not be surprised if after a while "plywood" will be made of special steel. Will the new Predictamus Nastradal then have enough willpower and courage to write one more, penitential article?
  7. -2
    18 August 2018 10: 55
    "Russian President Vladimir Putin said that social networks often lack positive. This point of view he expressed during a conversation with participants in the Mashuk educational youth forum in Pyatigorsk."
    And flooded the positive. True, some "positivist writers" have forgotten about the existence of a well-known saying about the consequences of inept performance of rituals for health.
  8. 0
    19 August 2018 09: 27
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: svp67
    Let’s not be engaged in "hat-shaking". Big money is pouring into the defense industry of Ukraine. Time will tell how effective these infusions were.

    While Ukrainians exhibit plywood models, you can be sure that they will not create anything serious with such an attitude to the matter.

    Whether or not they create it is far from the main thing for the current leadership of Ukraine. The main thing for them is the widespread PR of their every step. And whether it will be a lie or not - this is already secondary, the main thing is to show the population the "achievements", "reversal", "industry novelties" (that it is also doing something). What else does a man in the street need "not well-versed" ... As in the 90s they said: People hawk ... People hawk ...
    1. -1
      21 August 2018 08: 21
      Quote: ASASHOKA
      Whether or not they create it is far from the main thing for the current leadership of Ukraine. The main thing for them is the widespread PR of their every step. And whether it will be a lie or not - this is already secondary, the main thing is to show the population the "achievements", "reversal", "industry novelties" (that it is also doing something). What else does the layman "not well-versed" need?
      Something I know painfully! lol Every day I read about victories and achievements that "have no analogues" ... not in Ukraine! wink
  9. +2
    19 August 2018 21: 05
    All this fuss around the Sapsan OTRK can be general PR - at first they themselves launched a fake, about the fact that it is made of plywood, some of the commentators on the network picked up these, and then they will show the shooting of this complex and Poroshenko will make some kind of pre-election speech, in the style "they thought in Russia that we would not be able to do the OPEN, but we did ...."

    In any case, Russia is neither cold nor hot from this, we have enough air defense systems to bring down all the missiles of the Kiev junta ...