Themselves to blame for raising the retirement age: need to give birth more

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In the next issue of the channel “Ushi Mashut Oslom”, a Russian political analyst, media expert Oleg Matveychev discusses the need to raise the retirement age in Russia. According to the political scientist, such an unpopular reform is a consequence of declining fertility, which began in the beginning of the 70 of the 20 century and led today to the fact that there are more pensioners in the country than the working population that contains them.

He is convinced that the reform criticized by society direct result of the actions of the citizens of this society, referring to the generation of 70-80's.



It was these people who started and supported restructuring, demanded changes, exchanged the country for “ripped jeans and chewing gum”, participated in the collapse of the Soviet Union, in which there were many social guarantees, including a guaranteed pension. It was these people who, in 90, evaded taxes and did not support the pension system, now, having reached the retirement age, began to demand a decent pension.

Oleg Matveychev is trying to predict further developments in the event of the abolition of the new pension reform. He believes that by 2030, Russia will need more than 4 millions of new working-age population to support retirees. With a low birth rate, such a figure can only be achieved with the help of migrants and thus go along the path of development of modern Europe, which today suffocates from these same migrants.

Nevertheless, a political scientist takes the same Europe as a model and, after analyzing world statistics, says that in all developed European countries, the retirement age is 65 years and above.

Raising the retirement age, according to the expert, is a universal global trend, which Russia cannot avoid.

The next opinion from the series "support the government initiative" and "the people themselves are to blame."

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  1. +22
    13 August 2018 15: 32
    media expert Oleg Matveychev

    How did these media experts get me ... sit somewhere in the office on the couch drinking coffee with champagne and they still teach us ... they themselves did not hold anything heavier than a computer mouse

    It is these people who in the 90s evaded taxes and did not support the pension system

    In gives ... scribbler ... forgot to say how the enterprises went bankrupt in the 90s the hardest time was ... how thousands of people threw themselves out into the street ... as you like and survive ... well, this liar Matveychev.
    1. +16
      13 August 2018 16: 49
      It should be recalled that "these people" voted in a referendum to preserve the USSR. And then they took away their home country, a decent job, all their personal savings and threw them into poverty.
      And each "of them" worked and earned his pension for sure.
      1. +9
        13 August 2018 18: 23
        Quote: kasatky
        It should be recalled that "these people" voted in a referendum to preserve the USSR. And then they took away their home country, a decent job, all their personal savings and threw them into poverty.

        For Oleg Anatolyevich Matveychev, born 1970, professor at the Higher School of Economics, such "revelations" are forgivable, because he evaluates those who are older than him and not so successful in comparison with him, according to the principle - "You are poor because you do not work well."
        And after all, he is well aware that the population of the RSFSR for the most part voted in favor of preserving the USSR, but nevertheless lies about the 90s without blinking an eye.
        1. +1
          13 August 2018 19: 14
          HSE gives a weird alternative to the mountain.
          they want to cancel pensions - please, do not expect responsibility from us.
          The "fathers" kept the cows, but "now" they are gone - neither fathers nor cows.
          bredyatina puzatenkoVO scribblers. how many of these "tummies"
          1. +7
            13 August 2018 23: 56
            This blogger, a paid-up profane apologist for the new government pension reform to raise the retirement age from 55 / 60 to 63 / 65, has no idea in genuine economics and sociology. His scientifically untenable conclusions cannot be accepted by society as a guide to action.

            At the same time, of the non-verbal signs, there is one rather important circumstance - a blogger on video burrs.
            The question arises. Why do neoliberal (i.e., ultra-bourgeois) reformers necessarily have any sign of biological degeneration? For example, Egor Gaydar constantly disgusted his lips all the time during the conversation.
            Besides. All of them are a paranoid type of person who, for the sake of their narcissistic revolutionary leaderism and the implementation of their crazy ideas, are ready to easily commit genocide of the population in the country.
            Why did they schizophrenically categorically consider their paranoid ideas and consider it the ultimate truth, exalting themselves above the people and appropriating only to themselves the right to build a social system at their sole discretion.
            These degenerate people are simply ENEMIES of the PEOPLE and a healthy part of the country's population!
            We are dealing in the country and the world with LIBERAL Fascism of the 21 century.

            Chubais Do not think about the people, well, let 30 millions of inhabitants die out. Posted on: 21 Feb 2018
            1. +1
              1 September 2018 01: 56
              Tatyana
              For example, in many issues of this Oleg Matveychev, I agreed with him. About the Russian Orthodox Church, for example, about Syria.
              But in the issue about raising the retirement age, I just hate it. The logic of the capitalist is to give birth to more slaves, so that I, Olezhka, are rampant, and you, writhe at me.
          2. +3
            14 August 2018 11: 54
            The problem with deductions to the FIU is very, very easy to solve!
            PFR liquidate (but not retirement, as a class ...).
            Pensioners to pay pensions from the budget from the savings after cancellation
            all sorts of construction of the most-most bridges to Russky Island, Crimea Island, Sakhalin Island, Kamchatka Island (etc.), cosmodromes in the tundra and railways, roads at a price of 10 billion per 1 km in the Southern Federal District, Olympiads and world championships for residents of the "Far West" ....... plus the rent for oil and gas (as they say about oil and gas in advertising - "National property").
        2. +2
          13 August 2018 19: 14
          HSE gives a weird alternative to the mountain.
          they want to cancel pensions - please, do not expect responsibility from us.
          The "fathers" kept the cows, but "now" they are gone - neither fathers nor cows.
          bredyatina puzatenkoVO scribblers. how many of these "tummies"

          STILL WOULD CANCEL OFFSHORE AND "CAPITAL OUTFLOW"
          it's time to change the tone of lamenting about the "BAD PEOPLE"
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    2. +7
      13 August 2018 18: 58
      It is not necessary to take Europe as a model. For Europe, the USSR was the model of the pension system. In Europe, they live in retirement for 15-17 years, and among those who lived to see it, 7-9. And after the reform - it will be a year and a half. The system needs to be changed, moreover, urgently. Or we will reach a complete zugunder.
      1. +3
        13 August 2018 19: 05
        All Power to the Soviets!
      2. -6
        13 August 2018 22: 53
        Quote: siberalt
        The system needs to be changed, moreover, urgently. Or get to the full zugunder.

        Before you change anything, you need to ask yourself: "What have I done myself in order to receive a decent salary?"
        It’s not worth it, the right thing is to compare the USSR with today's Russia. In those times that have gone from us, the scheme (for a man) was simple - he studied at school, served in the army, and returned, got a job at the enterprise, with an initial salary of 120-150 p / month.
        Today, such a scheme does not work. Almost everywhere they ask for a document on education (a university diploma is preferred), it is advisable to have work experience. Why? Yes, no employer has the time and money to train a new recruit. Came to work? Get started!
        And you need to start from school - do not skip classes, quietly smoking on the school porch. Get a certificate of secondary education, go to university. And choose a profession that is not just prestigious, but one that gives you the opportunity to earn decent money. This category does not include "office plankton", lawyers and other managers with "left diplomas".
        "It's hard to learn, easy to fight."
        And do not pour crocodile tears - I will not live, I will die .... Do not drink alcohol excessively, increase your professional level, strive for the best.
        I studied in high school for 8 years, then 4 years in a technical school. Then - 6 years in a nautical school. And every 5 years you have to pass a "test of knowledge and skills" in the form of renewal of diplomas and certificates that give the right to work in the specialty. And I do not see crowds of applicants at the gates of both secondary and higher educational institutions that train future captains and mechanics. "The bad ones in the sea are dumb!" This is now the slogan of both the youth and the aged failing students and idlers.
        Note that there are 4 people on the site of "active" sailors. And we rarely "go on the air." Because of how we work. And none of the sailors sang the song "Oh yeah-a-a-ate, give me a pension-yu-yu ..." there is no time to cry "in the waistcoat" and to admit inability to support the family.
        "Why get married and have children if you can’t feed yourself?"
        1. +6
          13 August 2018 23: 20
          My wife and I raised five children to my feet, and you? Raise children - do not scrub the deck. Before you talk, look at yourself and look, you are our humanitarian! And as a retirement retirement, I’m already 30 years old soon. I have the honor!hi
          1. 0
            13 August 2018 23: 38
            Quote: siberalt
            Raise children - do not scrub the deck.

            Deck the deck - do not grind the tongue ....
            Quote: siberalt
            And in retirement after length of service, I’m already like 30 years soon.

            Then what are the cries for changing the system that gave you a pension?
            Or does the glory of Navalny keep you awake?
            "Freedom to Yuri Detochkin!"
            1. +2
              14 August 2018 00: 04
              You kind of wrote that you received education, and what prevents you from understanding that your opponent cares about other people, and about your kids?
              Not everyone lives according to the slogan - my hut is on the edge ...
              And do not confuse the change of system and the struggle for elementary rights ...
              1. 0
                14 August 2018 00: 12
                Quote: kitt409
                You kind of wrote that you received education, and what prevents you from understanding that your opponent cares about other people, and about your kids?

                How? "Will we destroy the whole world of violence? ..." The Sumerian neighbors have already "changed the system" on the Maidan with the same motivation "We will protect our own and other people's children!"
                Posting comments is not protection, it is populism. I warn you against this - do not try to change overnight what has been built for years, decades and generations. Start with yourself!
                Quote: kitt409
                And do not confuse the change of system and the struggle for elementary rights ...

                Come on .... Did you also go to a rally in support of Navalny?
                1. +3
                  14 August 2018 09: 15
                  It was with ourselves that we first of all started: it’s enough to sit upright and wait until the next step of our power will be the introduction of serfdom, and what they liked, they already have money, the government also, it’s time to move on to this, right? am
                  "How are you? Are you only considering the revolutionary path? In this case, it should surprise you - besides this there is another one - EVOLUTIONARY, we have just arrived a couple of weeks later, judging even by the conversations in transport - from grandmothers, ER waiting for a big bummer, July 28 did not go to rallies, got sick, the next September 2, I’ll definitely go.
                  And you, apart from Navalny, apparently do not know other names? He is not interesting to me.
                  By the way, the fact that the system that has evolved over generations does NOT work anymore does not bother you7 It seems like not, but why?
                  Not to mention the fact that a conditional hard worker can take 40 years off his salary by unfastening in the PF, and starting work at 18, he may not reach his pension - he just died and that, his long-term deductions wherever he goes, he native? Figures, and this is considered normal system operation ??? - TO THE TOPK SUCH A SYSTEM !!!
                  1. +1
                    14 August 2018 11: 06
                    Quote: kitt409
                    Not to mention the fact that a conditional hard worker can take 40 years off his salary by unfastening in the PF, and by starting work at 18, he may not reach his pension - he just died and that, his long-term deductions wherever he goes, his relatives?

                    Well, how long can you - "Will he live or not live?" If you look at the groups of mature alkanauts clustered in every courtyard or near garages, they do not set goals until dawn. they live according to the principle "chipped in, drank - the day went well," so their families are being taken to the churchyard in wooden jackets.
                    Where do pension contributions go? Do you know how the country's budget is formed? Or are pensions to those who have served in the Army or the Ministry of Internal Affairs system sent from Mars? You are so worried about YOUR pension that you completely forget about others who will retire after you. And the statistics are such that there are more and more retirees, and less and less willing to work with deductions to the Pension Fund.
                    Do you complain about small salaries? And what did you do to make your salary exceed the average? Studied? Improved qualifications?
                    We have no other government! But only Maidan-like may think that by changing the government, the "era of golden capitalism" will come overnight. Ask the members of the forum from Israel - how the economy of this country became, how they plowed and continue to plow at work.
                    1. +3
                      14 August 2018 16: 05
                      After "we have no other government" is not even interesting anymore, continue to continue to believe that it is not), interesting. Are you expecting that you are not in Russia? And as I understand it, the prospect of getting your relatives into something like serfdom doesn’t scare you either, it would be interesting to understand the reason for such naivety ...
                      Are you still tired of sticking out your type of improvement? - continuous mantras about study and advanced training, don’t worry, I personally studied and improved my qualifications, and received education, additionally, so write about someone else to Alconauts ...
                      And what are you all the time about Maidan and so on? It has already been written above - not revolution, but evolution, the difference between these concepts seems to you, you need to clarify additionally, it happens ... laughing
                      And they didn’t try to answer the question themselves - why did they want to work with contributions to the PF ?? that the government is not involved in this ???
                      And the most important thing in the end - I DO NOT worry about my pension, I have been receiving it for more than XNUMX years, but I do not care what will happen next, and I will not sit exactly according to the principle "my house is on the edge" ...
            2. +3
              14 August 2018 12: 05
              Wow ... For people like you, not just "Your shirt is closer to the body", it has already grown into your body.
              And, the "shirts" of those around you are simply alien and dirty - a flaw that prevents you from enjoying life.
              1. 0
                14 August 2018 12: 30
                "Do not judge .. and you will not be judged ..." And take your shirt.
  2. +18
    13 August 2018 15: 33
    Something is already beginning to get bored with such talk "about raising the retirement age." Volodin is already rustling about the abolition of pensions. Then the Government must honestly admit that the economy has gone bad. If you are offered to save yourself, in which financial institutions? Who will then also crumble and plunder citizens' money? How long?
    1. +17
      13 August 2018 15: 52
      Quote: Altona
      Something is already beginning to get bored with such talk "about raising the retirement age." Volodin is already rustling about the abolition of pensions.

      Volodin - let him report for his plot and the country house-palace ... The number of officially working Russians is 71 million. The average salary in Russia is 800. This is only 000% of the amount from which the employer pays 36% in the PFR. How much is it in rubles? 000 53: 22 x 36 = 000 53 rubles !!! Total is paid to the pension fund monthly - 22 14 x 943 14 943 = 71 800 000 1 072 rubles !!! Retirees in Russia - 907 million people. The average pension according to Rosstat is 400 rubles. Every month for payments to all pensioners, 000 x 42 = 000 rubles will be required. What other money do you need? belay
      1. +6
        13 August 2018 16: 32
        The calculation, it seems to me, is not entirely correct.
        Do not explain what the figure is 53%
        Quote: ROSS 42
        This is only 53% of the amount from which the employer pays 22% in the FIU.

        And I would also like to know how many IPshniks with an income of up to 300 thousand rubles are in the number of employees who pay a fixed payment to the PFRF in the amount of 26545 rubles per year, or 2212 rubles per month? As well as other beneficiaries.

        With 36000 rubles of salary, a contribution to the PFR should be 7920 rubles (22% of the payroll fund).
        1. +2
          13 August 2018 16: 42
          Quote: Comrade Beria
          With 36000 rubles of salary, a contribution to the PFR should be 7920 rubles (22% of the payroll fund)

          Vo-in ... even the speaker skidded slightly Yes
          1. +2
            13 August 2018 17: 56
            This is not a speaker brought it Rosstat issued such a figure.
            1. 0
              13 August 2018 18: 09
              Quote: private person
              Rosstat issued it

              This is not Rosstat issued, it is Ross42 "I gave out" ... I folded my boots with cucumbers, and you, of course, liked the amount.

              Read a little higher that Comrade Beria wrote. He just wrote everything very true Yes
              1. 0
                13 August 2018 19: 31
                Romka, you're wrong.
                1. +1
                  13 August 2018 19: 55
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Romka, you're wrong

                  And what exactly is it? wink
      2. +7
        13 August 2018 16: 54
        These are the figures of Rosstat and other sycophants are resting. And in truth, where is the money of the pension fund? But what about the words of our "respected" example: "Not money, but you hold on!" Where is Dim's money?
        1. +1
          13 August 2018 20: 37
          Quote: private person
          And in truth, where is the pension fund money then?


          If interested, follow the link:
          http://www.pfrf.ru/files/id/press_center/godovoi_otchet/annual_report_2017_1.pdf
          Everything is painted there.
          1. -2
            13 August 2018 20: 46
            Quote: Comrade Beria
            pfrf.ru/ files / id / press_center / godovoi_otchet /annual_report_2017

            That's them, so them ... on the tinsel documents ... official!

            And then they write, wrestlers with co-op regime, it’s not known what ...
        2. +1
          13 August 2018 21: 39
          The money from the pension fund went to pay off the tsar's debts to the French, who were allegedly thrown by Lenin in 1917. That was what Putin was ordered to do. Russia owes everyone, no one owes Russia - the motto of our liberals. So what? lol
          1. -3
            13 August 2018 21: 50
            Quote: siberalt
            Pension fund money went to pay royal debts to the French

            And what about Martians?

            Quote: siberalt
            So it was ordered to Putin

            You personally, that ... commanded? Or was they holding a candle?

            Quote: siberalt
            So what?

            But nothing. Fuck you very much, meaninglessly ... that's what Yes
            1. 0
              13 August 2018 21: 59
              To understand the meaningless ochchchchen need to be able to. But this is for psychiatrists. With whom you will lead, as they say. recourse My thesis is not from scratch, but there’s simply no time for links to sources. I think that the forum people are fairly informed. For them, and my comments. Excuse me, if something personally is not right for you with deep regret for me. hi
              1. -1
                13 August 2018 22: 05
                Quote: siberalt
                siberalt

                Blah blah blah next ...

                Quote: siberalt
                and there’s just no time for links to sources

                But how empty it is to drive here - so you have plenty of it negative
      3. +1
        13 August 2018 20: 01
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: Altona
        Something is already beginning to get bored with such talk "about raising the retirement age." Volodin is already rustling about the abolition of pensions.

        Volodin - let him report for his plot and the country house-palace ... The number of officially working Russians is 71 million. The average salary in Russia is 800. This is only 000% of the amount from which the employer pays 36% in the PFR. How much is it in rubles? 000 53: 22 x 36 = 000 53 rubles !!! Total is paid to the pension fund monthly - 22 14 x 943 14 943 = 71 800 000 1 072 rubles !!! Retirees in Russia - 907 million people. The average pension according to Rosstat is 400 rubles. Every month for payments to all pensioners, 000 x 42 = 000 rubles will be required. What other money do you need? belay

        Settlement with YaPa?
    2. +6
      13 August 2018 15: 59
      Quote: Altona
      If it is proposed to save by yourself, then in which financial institutions?

      in these
    3. +5
      13 August 2018 20: 50
      Volodin "rustles" on purpose. The more scary he tells, the sooner they will agree to the less scary. And to whom does he give it! Does he think the people are stupid cattle? I have completely lost the coast ... the chosen one "people's"! belay
  3. +8
    13 August 2018 15: 36
    ...... yeah ... the evening ceases to seem languid ... especially after Volodin’s statements.
    1. +10
      13 August 2018 15: 42
      Quote: Kent0001
      especially after the statements of Volodin.

      This is where he scares the people of Russia in general to stop paying pensions because of a "hole" in the budget? Well, this is generally a masterpiece !!!!! I have not heard such impudence from the authorities for a long time. After Chubais, he seems to be the first! In his place are others after such words are resigned. But he seems to have a conscience hidden in the safe deposit box of an untouchable. That is why he behaves so unbridled, confident in his impunity.
      1. +6
        13 August 2018 18: 37
        Not just everything in Volodin’s words. He openly admits his intention not to fulfill social guarantees of the state.
        Himself to think of this or received permission?
        Such statements are worse than any sanctions, they kill the remnants of faith in the institutions of power, at least he understands this or not.
        Anger and hatred of the promoters and campaigners for pension reform is complemented by contempt for them
        The name of the United Russia party already sounds strange, after all their efforts to destroy unity in the country.
        We will wait for the president to say that he is not abandoning his own.
        Let's see who is ours.
        1. +6
          13 August 2018 19: 00
          Where did he come from this Volodin? Before him was Naryshkin, a very seasoned man. And this one popped up like a cork. She recommended that the reporters change jobs, to which the liberal member molested, now he has decided not to pay pensions to the people ...
        2. +3
          13 August 2018 22: 13
          Well done, "saigon"! More than 90% of the people of Russia think the same way. Let's see what will happen in September, when our boyars with a southern, ocean tan, after summer vacations, and the same deputy holidays, return to Russia from the people to collect tribute. Have missed, however.hi
          + 100500!
  4. +6
    13 August 2018 15: 44
    . He believes that by 2030 Russia will need more than 4 million new working-age population to support retirees.
    I would prefer such migrants, if they are necessary:
    1. +1
      13 August 2018 15: 50
      Cool car ... and the operator works smartly .... bravo hi
    2. +9
      13 August 2018 16: 01
      The State Duma in the Russian Federation is an anachronism, if you do not call it through "e". It's time to get rid of mediocrity, cut off not only from state activities (they positively solve only their own selfish issues), but also from the public life of the country. They could not even live a month on the minimum wage, which they themselves approved ... am
      A cool car !!! good
    3. 0
      13 August 2018 16: 34
      Think! It’s not necessary to introduce a 10% recycling fee on bicycles, but a pension fee on robots with CNC, rather than tax breaks, as it is now.
    4. +7
      13 August 2018 16: 43
      Quote: Hypatius
      I would prefer such migrants, if they are necessary:

      Before the modernization, our company had a large percentage of manual labor and the number of employees was 600 people. After the modernization of manual labor, it became much less, but the number decreased threefold, to 200 people. The wage fund decreased by 2 times, as for more skilled labor, wages increased. The volume of production has not changed. Profit grew slightly, property tax increased, and significantly.
      From all this it follows that contributions to the Pension Fund began to be paid 2 times less from the enterprise.

      Here is such an oil painting.

      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Cool car ... and the operator works smartly .... bravo


      But it will earn for the same amount much less than a few men with chainsaws, respectively, contributions to the PF will also be less. This is the flip side of technological progress.
      1. +1
        13 August 2018 18: 32
        Quote: Comrade Beria

        Before the modernization, our company had a large percentage of manual labor and the number of employees was 600 people. After the modernization of manual labor, it became much less, but the number decreased threefold, to 200 people. The wage fund decreased by 2 times, as for more skilled labor, wages increased. The volume of production has not changed. Profit grew slightly, property tax increased, and significantly.
        From all this it follows that the contributions to the Pension Fund began to be paid 2 times less from the enterprise

        You can indiscreet question - and 400 people freed from your company where did they go? Indeed, under normal government (the owner of the country), they had to be transferred (to maintain continuous experience) at another enterprise, which would be deductible for these 400 people. As a result of increasing labor productivity at your enterprise (as a result of modernization), your workers (remaining) began to earn more, the people who were freed were employed at another enterprise and produce the products that the country needs, satisfying the requests of the country's citizens, the Pension Fund was not injured. So, dear, from your modernization there are some pluses and no minuses. Clear business - all this under the normal, active government.
        1. +4
          13 August 2018 19: 43
          Krasnoyarsk, do you know what staff reductions are? Three months of severance pay and then myself, dear!
          1. +1
            13 August 2018 22: 10
            Quote: sabakina
            Krasnoyarsk, do you know what staff reductions are? Three months of severance pay and then myself, dear!

            Vyacheslav, read the last sentence of my post.
        2. +3
          13 August 2018 20: 51
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Indeed, under normal government (the owner of the country), they had to be transferred (to maintain continuous experience) at another enterprise, which would be deductible for these 400 people.

          But will another company need people with low qualifications?
          Part of it, citizens of the Russian Federation, if age was right, were sent to an early retirement pension by agreement with the Pension Fund, part of it was simply reduced with the payment of benefits. There were Gaster, those were fired after the contract expired. (They always expire when they need it).

          And yes, you stayed in the USSR when you were busy with everyone like a written bag. Now so (according to Marx): you get as much as you cost yourself. Labor power (again according to Marx) is a commodity that is sold.
          So you need to raise your price.
          1. 0
            13 August 2018 22: 19
            Quote: Comrade Beria

            But will another company need people with low qualifications?

            Of course, if they have a shortage of slaves. forces, they will be happy and unskilled workers. Man is not a monkey, he is training.
            I repeat once again - Russia needs an active government. And not those who - "no money, but you hold on."
        3. +4
          13 August 2018 22: 17
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          After all, under normal government (the owner of the country) they had to be transferred (to maintain continuous experience) to be arranged at another enterprise, which for these 400 people would be deducted to the PF denyuzhku

          Well, you fucking give ...

          show me now a state where such fabulous living conditions - I’ll go there to live, completely.

          Just do not show. Because there is no such state, in nature there is no request
          1. +3
            14 August 2018 08: 18
            Quote: Golovan Jack

            Show me now the state where such fabulous living conditions exist - I’ll go there to live, completely.

            Roma, and you and I have profiled such a state. And now we believe everyone there, Medvedev, Siluanov and others like them, that there is no other way, that Russia simply needs to be integrated into the world economy. a system otherwise she khan that not raising the retirement age of death is similar. and many more, many things we thinklessly believe.
            If all these Zhirinovsky, Volodin and other trawl-la (there should be quite a literary word on this place, but the admin will consider it an insult again and will give me another warning, but I don’t want this at all) they talk about the USSR, they only say about the bad, which undoubtedly was, but they never talk about the good, and yet it was much more than bad.
            Yes, all of you, Roma, understand without me.
            1. 0
              14 August 2018 12: 18
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              ... but you and I have profiled such a state ...

              Yes, there are many of those who "profuse" ... but the question was:

              Quote: Golovan Jack
              show me now a state where such fabulous living conditions

              , and "now" I did not highlight it in vain.

              No? That's all, the question is settled. And right a hundred times Comrade Beria:

              Quote: Comrade Beria
              Now so (according to Marx): you get as much as you cost yourself. Labor power (again according to Marx) is a commodity that is sold. So you need to raise your price

              Everything else is chatter and nothing.
              1. +1
                14 August 2018 23: 42
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Everything else is chatter and nothing.

                That's right, Roman. Just don’t express your dissatisfaction anymore on this or that issue that concerns life in Russia.
                My simplest requirement for the Russian government is to work, i.e. to fulfill the duties assigned to it, you pass off as trembling and "nothing".
                Why is it so difficult for you, or not yet given, to understand that the quality of your life is the result of actions or inaction of the government?
                Have you ever wondered - why do you personally need a state? Just to pay taxes? Or maybe for something else?
                That is when you will understand why the state is for you, what are its functions, when the demand for the government will become for you personally and for millions of novels and comrades Beria (who cited the quote from Marx taken out of context and therefore acquired a completely opposite meaning) the norm, and not cham- then supernatural or quivering "nothing", life in Russia will begin to change.
    5. 0
      13 August 2018 22: 24
      I don’t understand something. Has this operator killed dozens of retirees with other highly productive labors? So it turns out progress is killing those who keep retirees, not demographics !? Then the question. Why demography does not bother the income of officials and oligarchs? Or for them the decline in population is not relevant?
      1. +2
        14 August 2018 08: 33
        Quote: Mr Credo
        I don’t understand something. Has this operator killed dozens of retirees with other highly productive labors? So it turns out progress is killing those who keep retirees, not demographics !? Then the question. Why demography does not bother the income of officials and oligarchs? Or for them the decline in population is not relevant?

        You are undoubtedly right in speaking of demography. She really said her word in the ratio of working - senior citizen.
        But I repeat once again - there are at least two ways out of any situation. And "our" government does not even think to consider another way of filling the PF. And in this regard, I have a question, is the government concerned about filling the PF? Maybe raising the retirement age, they solve completely different issues?
  5. +9
    13 August 2018 15: 46
    In the 70-80s, there was a decrease in the birth rate to 2 children per family, all because of the housing issue. But I remember KEChI’s house in the yard a huge number of kids, noise and harmful old people. That’s the 90s, the priorities have changed. Give me everything in the family joy will appear, in these houses pensioners have no rest no din from the street, no one is climbing attics or basements playing war games.
    But we have had serious changes that now there are not enough places for children in the first grade, up to 18 first grades in one village I had to open, and school textbooks.
  6. +2
    13 August 2018 16: 03
    Now let's think calmly, without emotion. In the above, there is its own homespun truth. Of course, in many ways the author went too far and did something wrong, and he didn’t touch the generation of the 70s and 80s - how old was he during the late perestroika? What did it decide then and was able to solve in general? I’m 78 years old and in the early 90s I didn’t give a damn about the GKChP, the shooting of parliament, inflation and banditry - I was more interested in what kind of film will be shown in the video salon around the corner today and who will be in the main role - Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris, yes, it’s as if Fedka’s classmate would find out where he bought such a cool wall poster with the Terminator.
    Well, in the 90s and at the very beginning of the 2000s, there was a mess. But later they brought some sort of order, but still. Now let's ask - isn't it our fault in the current situation? Did we all work "in white", expelling to the PF? They rejoiced at the payment of the capital, without thinking at all where the fireballs came from - and they came and are coming from the PF. We tried by hook or by crook to retire early. And how many fake invalids "for a common disease" were divorced in those years, who worked as loaders, but at the same time received a disability pension?
    This is it!
    1. +9
      13 August 2018 16: 21
      And now we ask - is it our fault in this situation?


      Of course have! The main fault is that they took various villains and talkers into power. Because as a heart, not a mind, after watching a TV. It's time to fix it done. How? Everyone at school taught history.
    2. +1
      13 August 2018 18: 33
      Quote: NKVD Commissioner
      In the above, there is its own homespun truth.

      There is of course a truth, but in this case the author reversed the cause and effect. Pensions caused a decline in the birth rate, but not vice versa.
      Quote: NKVD Commissioner
      Now let's ask - isn't it our fault in the current situation? Did we all work "in white", expelling to the PF?

      So let them reform in this direction. Those who paid in the Pension Fund - those who did not pay, those who did not pay - do not pay those pensions.
      Anticipating your objections in advance - if a woman is a housewife and has not worked a day in her life - then she is a mother-heroine with eight children, so tie her pension to the number of adult children.
    3. +1
      13 August 2018 22: 29
      About "fake movers" in the USSR ... belay No, well, even the great science fiction Herbert Wells cried! crying
      In the latter, the USSR had a law to choose a pension for itself either from earnings over the past two years, or from five in a row over the past ten years. According to the piecework wage system (if you understand), the registration of the norm of fulfillment for the "pre-retirement officer" (two years before the release) began completely, with the payment of part of the registration after receiving the salary at the cash desk. But this is in any way significant for pensions, and even more so for the state, was not reflected in percentage terms of the amount of pension payments (less than a tenth of a percent). I just know this data from those statistics. The same Brezhnev laughed at this and praised the people for their "ingenuity." But the production plan was overfulfilled. So what? It was good for the state and pensioners. winked
    4. 0
      13 August 2018 22: 32
      But nothing that the state has ceased to guarantee jobs? If a person worked for himself throughout his life and did not ask anything from the state, is he dependent? But he worked for himself and for society! Why are officials and oligarchs silent about demography and lack of money? Why don’t oligarchs say that a decrease in population reduces their (oligarchs) income? The officials have no such problems either. Why are they only with pensioners?
  7. +2
    13 August 2018 16: 13
    And give retirees the opportunity to work.
    1. +2
      13 August 2018 16: 36
      Quote: Conductor
      And give retirees the opportunity to work.

      And who forbids.
      My father is a military pensioner, he went out for a vacation in 1988 after 27 years of service, a flight of 10 thousand hours and two business trips to Afghanistan. He relaxed for half a year and went to work in the Energy Execution Facility as an ordinary locksmith. Once lucky, they rebuilt the cottage they were able to give him a loan of 5 thousand rubles, although others took it but for some reason paid it with difficulty. The unique cottage turned out, the house on stilts, decommissioned oxygen cylinders, a plot on a slope. They entered the house in a rage, and now we live in a rebuilt house to this day, it stopped working in 2008, 63, it was just that the workshop was closed, or else it would have been. Not when he didn’t hope for retirement and normal only after 2006 and now it's not bad at all.
  8. +16
    13 August 2018 16: 17
    Well, again the zombies hummed "It is our own fault that they did not die before retirement. We gave birth to little. We didn’t press you enough."
    But in fact, everything is simple. Money is stolen, and to pensioners horseradish with oil. But, for example, in China, about which zombies say that there is no pension at all. They lie, as always.
    “Look at China: there, on the contrary, a gradual decrease in the retirement age by five years has begun - to the level of 55 for men and 50 for women. In a press release from the Chinese Communist Party, this decision says that one should not worry about the possible consequences for the economy. : "In the age of technology, when machines can increasingly replace hard human labor, any state is obliged to take care of the rest of its citizens and gradually improve their living and working conditions."
    This is exactly what, I am sure, the path of Russia should look like. Back in 1952, Joseph Stalin, in his work "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR," raised the issue of switching to a 5-6 hour working day so that the citizens of the country could spend the rest of their time on their personal life, development and recreation. And this is a very correct direction. People should live a full life longer, and not die of hopeless labor, as the ideologues of the pension reform are proposing to us today. "
    1. 0
      13 August 2018 18: 35
      Quote: Old Fuck
      rather than die from hopeless work

      In the USSR, it was called "noble labor"
    2. +4
      13 August 2018 19: 27
      The fact that you, comrade, are arguing from a Marxist perspective, is wonderful! However, for this capitalist camarilla, all these arguments ... like fog! They live for profit and they do not care about the aspirations of the people!
      Return Soviet power, for starters in the restored RSFSR - that’s what you need to think about and ACT! The Bolshevik Party ... without it we won’t move thieves, usurpers, restorers of capitalism!

      For the dictatorship of the proletariat!
      1. -3
        13 August 2018 21: 03
        Quote: Pyotr Ivanov
        For the dictatorship of the proletariat!

        70 years dictatorship, dictatorship, but not dictatorship. laughing
        1. +1
          15 August 2018 12: 10
          Quote: Comrade Beria
          Quote: Pyotr Ivanov
          For the dictatorship of the proletariat!

          70 years dictatorship, dictatorship, but not dictatorship. laughing

          Even as a dictatorship !!!
          For example, such an article was written in the Constitution - Every citizen has the right to work guaranteed by the state. Does today's constitution guarantee the right to work? And today, does the state guarantee a citizen anything? And why then to a citizen a state that owes nothing to a citizen?
    3. -1
      15 August 2018 18: 08
      Money was not stolen, but not stupidly paid - by 15 million citizens who have 10 trillion rubles in their hands, not burdened by any taxes.
  9. +10
    13 August 2018 16: 20
    According to the political scientist, such an unpopular reform is a consequence of a decrease in the birth rate


    no, this "reform" as a result of social stratification of society and the unwillingness of the authorities to go for any distribution of the pie from the country's income. The existence of a welfare state when the bulk of the income of this state goes into a private pocket is impossible.
    And the decline in the birth rate is a consequence of the "bonds of freedom and democracy of liberalism" that came to us after 1992, but simply liberal "values". When healthy children are sent in chopped pieces to the trash bin after an abortion, and sick children are nursed from birth in incubators, then collected by "the whole Russian world" for their treatment, such a state is doomed to extinction.

    If the authorities put pressure on the people to accept the pension reform and blackmail them with the abolition of the state part of the pension, then such a government is guaranteed to be kicked out, despite the horror stories “bear with it, otherwise it will be like in Ukraine.”
  10. +7
    13 August 2018 16: 27
    Advice was accepted: a 54-year-old woman has already given birth in a neighboring area. This is not a solution to the problem of not having money. The population is sitting "on the pipe", so it is necessary to get rid of the population, or at least from most of it. The question of how to do this in modern conditions requires a creative approach.
  11. +12
    13 August 2018 16: 33
    Is it that 40-50 fifty year olds are to blame? Where did this creature come from?
    While some sausages and freedoms were pounding with helmets on the rails demanding and listening to the drunk Boriska, others were already rushing across the Caucasus. This is probably this expert from the media people pulled from burning villages and villages personally?
    Who is he to judge us for demographics?
    1. -1
      14 August 2018 20: 56
      Yes, they are to blame. Or did they actually give birth to three or four children? Not? No, they did not give birth. They sang songs, thumped, told how the good west would provide everyone, it is only necessary to arrange elections of two or more candidates. punish, perhaps not immediately, but guaranteed.
  12. +9
    13 August 2018 16: 35
    allowance for the care of a child under 3 years = 50 rubles. I’ll say 20 thousand to my kindergarten for my city, and this is even if the child has been in the queue since birth and has already turned 3 years old. they took money allegedly for cribs. after three months, another manager already said you personally didn’t give me anything to deal with the old one, or the child will have nowhere to sleep. refused to take the second time, but arrogance is amazing.
  13. +5
    13 August 2018 16: 35
    "These people are exactly" sounds outrageous. Several tens of millions - and all "just these". Did this political scientist check the lists? - An empty load of some kind. From under the gate. In other words, from a well-fed comfortable chair.
    1. +10
      13 August 2018 16: 52
      they always have the people to blame for everything. birth has fallen - it is the people who think about themselves only do not want to give birth. There are many pensioners - it’s the people’s fault that there are too many pensioners. salaries do not grow aching - it's just that you work a little. taxes have been rising for 10 years (thorough repairs, VAT, real estate by cadastre, plato ...) - they themselves are to blame. seniority was raised for retirement from 5 years to 30 points + 15 years - the people are also to blame. and Putin is good, he is always for the people ... his environment is simply liberal. only he himself is gaining this environment.
  14. +7
    13 August 2018 17: 00
    -And who are you?
    -I am Volodin!
    -We are all volodiny here.

    He, like many others, mentioned how many unemployed people per worker. But how everyone from his circle did not indicate how much of the national income, from what is earned and mined, is appropriated by this very circle!
  15. +3
    13 August 2018 17: 09
    Quote: Commissioner of the NKVD
    Now let's think calmly, without emotion. In the above, there is its own homespun truth. Of course, in many ways the author went too far and did something wrong, and he didn’t touch the generation of the 70s and 80s - how old was he during the late perestroika? What did it decide then and was able to solve in general? I’m 78 years old and in the early 90s I didn’t give a damn about the GKChP, the shooting of parliament, inflation and banditry - I was more interested in what kind of film will be shown in the video salon around the corner today and who will be in the main role - Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris, yes, it’s as if Fedka’s classmate would find out where he bought such a cool wall poster with the Terminator.
    Well, in the 90s and at the very beginning of the 2000s, there was a mess. But later they brought some sort of order, but still. Now let's ask - isn't it our fault in the current situation? Did we all work "in white", expelling to the PF? They rejoiced at the payment of the capital, without thinking at all where the fireballs came from - and they came and are coming from the PF. We tried by hook or by crook to retire early. And how many fake invalids "for a common disease" were divorced in those years, who worked as loaders, but at the same time received a disability pension?
    This is it!

    I am 77 and completely agree with you BUT raising the retirement age is not an option. Let them first put things in order with these "fake" pensions, wages in envelopes, and taxes. By the way about taxes, the company "horns and hooves" does not pay taxes for 3 years, then declares itself bankrupt and a month later a new "hooves and horns" appears with a new manager and everything is in a circle. Have you ever wondered if at least from the above things you would not have to raise the retirement age.
    1. +1
      13 August 2018 22: 44
      Yeah! In some rooms money is confiscated from others in offshore, and citizens are to blame! If all the offshore money is returned to the country, maybe our citizens will not have to work at all!
  16. +4
    13 August 2018 17: 57
    Money from the PF is not necessary to steal, and in general the coffers are robbed, then they will be enough.
  17. 0
    13 August 2018 17: 58
    Nevertheless, I did the right thing, that I did not hope for the state - I wanted to spit on retirement ... I earned it myself. Of course not an oligarch, but I can make ends meet. By the way, I saw how the liberals took away all my savings from my parents who worked for more than 25 years in the extreme north, if someone knows what 20000 Soviet rubles will understand. So you can call it the accumulated experience in communicating with the state.
    1. +5
      13 August 2018 20: 07
      Not everyone has a commercial vein. Selling 20 liters from your cow to neighbors is one thing, opening a small store and not getting burned out is another. Personally, neither in kindergarten, nor in school, nor in school have I been taught to trade.
      1. 0
        13 August 2018 20: 28
        Quote: sabakina
        Personally, neither in kindergarten, nor in school, nor in school have I been taught to trade.

        I was taught, I sold seedlings in the country. That would go to the section on Karate-Do, Goju Ryu, 10 rubles a month.
  18. +5
    13 August 2018 18: 08
    It is these people who in the 90s evaded taxes and did not support the pension system
    99% of these people did anything to survive elementary! They were not up to the taxes after their native country threw them.
  19. +10
    13 August 2018 18: 15
    - Grandfather, what is supercinism?
    - Supercinism, grandson, is when the country's government closes factories and plants at once, quietly throwing millions of its citizens out into the street, and after twenty years it requires the same people half a century of experience to receive a pension, while portraying surprise and misunderstanding in the absence of such.
    1. -3
      14 August 2018 20: 54
      Our citizens have little brains, unfortunately, they were not taught to use them. Therefore, such nonsense is quite popular in society.
  20. +6
    13 August 2018 18: 16
    I do not want to enter into a polemic with the government’s preventists, but the fact that the generation of 70-x-80x started the perestroika. last century - a lie! It was started by those who were already at the helm, and Soviet laws did not allow them to turn around in the field of ordinary theft. Thus, this generation of the so-called "thaw", who wanted everything at once, including for their children, whose idea was conformism in different forms, rather than serving the Motherland and giving birth to children. As one of the philosophers of the nineteenth century said, “having destroyed the nobility, society will encounter a triumphant boor, the meaning of life of which will be money-grubbing.” Which we have.
    1. +1
      13 August 2018 18: 56
      But the philosopher did not indicate who destroyed the nobility in the Russian Empire?
      The nobility in Russia was formed as a military estate, obliged to serve the state as a military force.
      And due to the fact that the surplus product in those conditions was small (low productivity and no industry) villages with peasants were given for the maintenance of military people.
      But at one such beautiful moment, the nobles were not allowed to serve, and the villages were not taken away.
      From that moment the destruction of the nobility began, the existence of this class lost its original meaning, and already during the WWII the gentlemen of the nobility were not enough to form the officer corps (well, the gentlemen did not want to serve the state in the military field) .And so the philosopher may be right
  21. +9
    13 August 2018 18: 17
    "Hurry, you all would have died. Not a single budget fits because of you" - this is how the ministers reflected at their meeting.
    In truth, pensioners thought the same thing about ministers.
    ____________________

    Do not put off until tomorrow what you can do today. Tomorrow it can be banned
    ____________________

    As they say in the State Duma:
    Great is Russia, but there is no one to rob.
  22. +5
    13 August 2018 18: 18
    Quote: NKVD Commissioner
    Did we all work "in white", expelling to the PF?

    -------------------------
    Aha, whitewashed, in the 1994-1997 barter era. Well, you put it bluntly.
    1. 0
      13 August 2018 20: 16
      On this barter in our apartment a small Funai TV, a Funai video player, a radio tape recorder drew. On New Year the director of workers congratulated. And so in life would not buy ...
      1. +1
        14 August 2018 13: 41
        Quote: sabakina
        On this barter in our apartment a small Funai TV, a Funai video player, a radio tape recorder drew. On New Year the director of workers congratulated. And so in life would not buy ...

        You are more fortunate. But to us, the administration, offered wheelsets to pay salaries. We have refused. I’ll come ..... in a word - probably unwise. Although they could also be understood, what else could they offer?
  23. +1
    13 August 2018 18: 43
    Quote: Deck
    Because as a heart, not a mind, after watching a TV. It's time to fix it done. How? Everyone at school taught history.

    Everyone taught history at school ... They understood it differently ... Personally, I am for Stolypin’s policy .. As you understand, I am a lover of Maidan and pink revolutions ... Reread history again ... For some reason, in stable states that exist for a long time without revolutions and wars (European) people generally live not bad ... Example .... Sweden
    1. 0
      13 August 2018 22: 34
      Quote: 30 vis
      Personally, I am for Stolypin’s policy

      That is, you are for the "Stolypin ties"? Do you know that it was Stolypin who destroyed the Russian community?
      Yes, do you actually have an idea about the Russian community?
    2. +1
      13 August 2018 22: 49
      And cooperation with Hitler is a business!
  24. +1
    13 August 2018 19: 12
    In the next issue of the Ears of Mashut Oslom channel, Russian political analyst and media expert Oleg Matveychev discusses the need to raise the retirement age in Russia.
    I didn’t know that there was something funnier than Kargeimazov ...
  25. +4
    13 August 2018 21: 08
    Having given birth to a child ... The family is in poverty ... Having retired ... The family is again in poverty ... I mean those who work ... So calls to give birth more ... this is a provocation ...
    1. -4
      14 August 2018 20: 53
      It is necessary to give birth to more than one child, it is necessary to give birth 5.
      Before retiring, you need to make sure that it is big on its own: accumulate, acquire real estate, attach children.
      Poverty is a purely voluntary matter; if you want to be a beggar, be it, but not the Gundi.
  26. 0
    13 August 2018 22: 20
    the article is custom-made and, again, blah blah, maybe someone thinks, and after all, the truth is, we give birth to few who say well, we must raise the pension one!
    we are like an ant on a bulldozer. we understand that something is happening but what exactly and for what
    No one knows.
    it's only the beginning.
  27. -2
    14 August 2018 20: 51
    This is as if obvious. It seems to me that the author works on grants from the State Department, presses on emotions, to turn off the brain among readers.
  28. 0
    15 August 2018 06: 46
    if the government were adequate, then by decisive measures it would be possible to increase the population in a couple of years by several million non-migrants at once.
    1. -1
      15 August 2018 18: 12
      In two years - this is just a magic wand, can do
  29. -1
    26 August 2018 14: 33
    He said it right. And our people are never to blame for anything. Our people always try to make themselves look like some kind of fool Ivanushka, whom anyone can deceive. But it requires the right, being a fool, to decide something.

    And in the 90, the people are to blame too. In 80, smart people warned what would happen in the transition to the market. Similarly, on television from the same high stands. Now there are no rights to complain that something was being shut down there in the 90s.

    But in ukrov poke, that they say "they were warned" - this is always welcome with us.

    And yes, I would have looked at how, in the 41, when martial law was declared, citizens said that they should now work with the fig without days off and holidays, they were not to blame for the German attacking.
  30. +1
    1 September 2018 01: 22
    parasites-lurkers who want to live at the expense of the people. Genocide of their people, which ultimately will lead to the consequences, which are described in the proverb: "Who does not feed his soldier, his people feeds another soldier and another's people or becomes a slave to another's soldier and from a foreign people. "I will explain below.
    How does an increase in the retirement age contribute to an increase in the LABOR population of the country? An increase in the retirement age absolutely does not increase the able-bodied population of the country. An increase in the retirement age does not give rise to new able-bodied people. And it forces those who have already worked out and survived to retirement and must rest on a well-deserved pension (men aged 60, women). - at 55 years old, military and law enforcement agencies - at 45 years old, and others due to harmfulness). It makes people genocide. It ruins old people at work - it takes them to death from hard work. FOR WORKERS TO BE BORN, And DO NOT RISE PENSION. The fact that you raise the retirement age will not cause more workers to come out of it. From this, the old people will bend to work in a coffin.
    And in order for the workers to appear, they must give birth. And in order to give birth, create conditions for people. -Provide housing for families with children — so that mom, dad and child have a place to live — give families with children FREE housing. And a good salary for father and mother - so that dad and mom can pay for utilities and keep children and raise them.
    The most intelligent and able-bodied ones will leave Russia. They will not wait for your retirement in the grave. Others will simply not work. And in the end, everything will come to the point that a popular rebellion will be raised. And the first to be raised are those who already there will be nothing to lose, namely, PENSIONERS. And what do you bring the policemen to crush grandmothers and grandfathers ??? Suppress pensioners - after the pensioners will go their children and the children of their children. Then, military and law enforcement agencies. For they have parents, children, wives.
    Want to solve the problem of migrants? So I’ll disappoint you. You’ll ruin your people, and will you bring in migrants? -Well, these same migrants will cut off your boshki after 5 years. Because first of all they will send saboteurs to you in Russia. They will capture Russia and you- they will throw and kill. And there will be no one to protect you, for you will kill your people, Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, by raising your retirement age. And migrants will bring their laws, and will not obey yours. And they will turn you into slaves.
    And also as an option, I’ll tell you such an option. You will commit genocide of the people, ditch the pensioners. People will give birth, you will not see this outrage over the people, over people. You will lose soldiers, army, workers, peasants, there will be nobody to work, there will be no one to protect you. Well done, the invaders will come and fly your heads off your shoulders, or you will be slaves to other soldiers. BECAUSE THOSE SOLDIERS HAVE YOUR GOOD FELLOWS. YOU ARE NOT ... GONE.
    And also, as an option, the people will raise a rebellion. For the first time, those who don’t have anything to lose will either be killed: they either die at work, or riot PENSIONERS. Then their children go. Then there will be a wave of military and law enforcement agencies, because you will give the order- crush retired parents.
    And THEN, SUCH AS I AM AND YOU WILL COME-RESPOND FOR EVERYTHING. YOU WORK EVERY RUBR THAT STORED FROM THE PEOPLE. YOU-WILL BE FIRED FROM THE DUMA, FROM THE MANAGEMENT OF THE COUNTRY, CONFISCATE ALL YOUR PROPERTY, AND YOU-UGRODS-WILL BE MAKED BY EXPLOITING EACH RUBLE WHICH YOU GADA STORED FROM THE PEOPLE, EVERY KOPECHEKU. YOU-KNITTING AT WORKS WORKING OUT OF THE PEOPLE.
    DO YOU HAVE NO MONEY ON PENSION? Where did the money from the books go, what did people save in the USSR ???? Where did the MMM money go ??? You took off your grandmothers to offshore now. They are in the pockets of those in power, on their accounts, in their real estate, villas, cottages, apartments, plots and cars. These deputies - that have proposed and supported raising the retirement age - GET AWESOME MONEY-380 000 and they don’t work, but they live for their own pleasure. So, they can live up to 100 years, receiving grandmothers and living, parasitizing at the expense of the slave-owning people. And the people at work are writhing and dying from overwork, age, old age diseases and infirmities. For a miserable 15.
    You will get what people deserve — you will make people work out while working out all the people's money. You will die from overwork of the people at work during the time — for which you propose raising the retirement age.
    Not a referendum THE PEOPLE JUST VOTED AGAINST THE collapse of the USSR! Oleg Matveychev is a liar! The logic of the capitalist — give birth to more slaves — so that the olezhoks reigned and they — writhe at him.
  31. -1
    1 September 2018 01: 29
    Quote: 30 vis
    Quote: Deck
    Because as a heart, not a mind, after watching a TV. It's time to fix it done. How? Everyone at school taught history.

    Everyone taught history at school ... They understood it differently ... Personally, I am for Stolypin’s policy .. As you understand, I am a lover of Maidan and pink revolutions ... Reread history again ... For some reason, in stable states that exist for a long time without revolutions and wars (European) people generally live not bad ... Example .... Sweden

    In Sweden, there are strikes.
  32. 0
    1 September 2018 01: 36
    Quote: EvilLion
    He said it right. And our people are never to blame for anything. Our people always try to make themselves look like some kind of fool Ivanushka, whom anyone can deceive. But it requires the right, being a fool, to decide something.

    And in the 90, the people are to blame too. In 80, smart people warned what would happen in the transition to the market. Similarly, on television from the same high stands. Now there are no rights to complain that something was being shut down there in the 90s.

    But in ukrov poke, that they say "they were warned" - this is always welcome with us.

    And yes, I would have looked at how, in the 41, when martial law was declared, citizens said that they should now work with the fig without days off and holidays, they were not to blame for the German attacking.

    The people were-AGAINST the collapse of the USSR. The people voted in a referendum-against the collapse of the USSR. You are trying to make people a fool.
    And now what is war ??? Now anti-people’s lawmakers are committing genocide of the people, like the Nazis. Against which 41 people have stood up. There are people like you and those who raise the retirement age, and there are fascists.
  33. 0
    1 September 2018 01: 44
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: kitt409
    You kind of wrote that you received education, and what prevents you from understanding that your opponent cares about other people, and about your kids?

    How? "Will we destroy the whole world of violence? ..." The Sumerian neighbors have already "changed the system" on the Maidan with the same motivation "We will protect our own and other people's children!"
    Posting comments is not protection, it is populism. I warn you against this - do not try to change overnight what has been built for years, decades and generations. Start with yourself!
    Quote: kitt409
    And do not confuse the change of system and the struggle for elementary rights ...

    Come on .... Did you also go to a rally in support of Navalny?

    Yes, you post comments parasitizing on the hump of the people.
    And besides bulk, there is a good surname and name-smart and educated and hardworking-Natalia Poklonskaya.
  34. 0
    1 September 2018 01: 52
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: siberalt
    The system needs to be changed, moreover, urgently. Or get to the full zugunder.

    Before you change anything, you need to ask yourself: "What have I done myself in order to receive a decent salary?"
    It’s not worth it, the right thing is to compare the USSR with today's Russia. In those times that have gone from us, the scheme (for a man) was simple - he studied at school, served in the army, and returned, got a job at the enterprise, with an initial salary of 120-150 p / month.
    Today, such a scheme does not work. Almost everywhere they ask for a document on education (a university diploma is preferred), it is advisable to have work experience. Why? Yes, no employer has the time and money to train a new recruit. Came to work? Get started!
    And you need to start from school - do not skip classes, quietly smoking on the school porch. Get a certificate of secondary education, go to university. And choose a profession that is not just prestigious, but one that gives you the opportunity to earn decent money. This category does not include "office plankton", lawyers and other managers with "left diplomas".
    "It's hard to learn, easy to fight."
    And do not pour crocodile tears - I will not live, I will die .... Do not drink alcohol excessively, increase your professional level, strive for the best.
    I studied in high school for 8 years, then 4 years in a technical school. Then - 6 years in a nautical school. And every 5 years you have to pass a "test of knowledge and skills" in the form of renewal of diplomas and certificates that give the right to work in the specialty. And I do not see crowds of applicants at the gates of both secondary and higher educational institutions that train future captains and mechanics. "The bad ones in the sea are dumb!" This is now the slogan of both the youth and the aged failing students and idlers.
    Note that there are 4 people on the site of "active" sailors. And we rarely "go on the air." Because of how we work. And none of the sailors sang the song "Oh yeah-a-a-ate, give me a pension-yu-yu ..." there is no time to cry "in the waistcoat" and to admit inability to support the family.
    "Why get married and have children if you can’t feed yourself?"

    My father and mother had higher education. The father is a technician engineer. The mom is an accountant of the highest category. They didn’t pay much. They raised three children. Do not write nonsense that we value smart people.
    And as for the whining that people say, they won’t live. Go find it, especially unload the wagons after 60 years, or take them to the sawmill or collective shit after 60 years. you will live.
    Something these professions and these workers, no one could replace. So we do not need to tell us fairy tales, that these are unnecessary jobs and light ones. Well, go and work on such "light" jobs if they are light.
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    2 September 2018 01: 07
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    Quote: siberalt
    Raise children - do not scrub the deck.

    Deck the deck - do not grind the tongue ....
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    And in retirement after length of service, I’m already like 30 years soon.

    Then what are the cries for changing the system that gave you a pension?
    Or does the glory of Navalny keep you awake?
    "Freedom to Yuri Detochkin!"

    Cries about changing the system — which this pension and years of retirement — are taking away from us now — raising the retirement age.
    In addition to the poor bulk, there are good people. For example, Natalya Poklonskaya. Natalya Vladimirovna Poklonskaya, who is for the people. She voted against raising the retirement age and does not support raising the retirement age.
    Natalya Vladimir Poklonskaya (born March 18, 1980, the village of Mikhailovka, Voroshilovgrad region) is a Russian politician and lawyer. Member of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of the VII convocation, chairman of the State Duma commission for monitoring the reliability of information on income, property and property obligations submitted by deputies of the State Duma, deputy chairman of the State Duma committee on security and anti-corruption, member of the State Duma review committee federal budget expenditures aimed at ensuring the defense of Russia, national security and law enforcement since October 5, 2016 [4] [5].

    Employee of the prosecution authorities of the Russian Federation (since March 25, 2014) [6] [7].
    Prosecutor of the Republic of Crimea (from May 2, 2014 to October 6, 2016) [8] [9] [10]. Acting Prosecutor of the Republic (from March 25 to May 2, 2014) [11]. State Counselor of Justice, 3rd grade (2015) [12] [13].
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    5 September 2018 13: 18
    Beasts. These same people have already killed one power, now they are killing the country, under the protection and with the encouragement of "our" government. And what other conclusions can be drawn if “our” country is the main investor of the Nazi regime of our “non-brothers” and, therefore, the main sponsor of the war in Donbass. If, in fact, since April, no one has lifted a finger to free and protect their citizens, sailors and ships captured by this non-state, if they allow them to kidnap and convict their citizens for insane terms, showing complete helplessness and unwillingness to decide something, etc. etc. All these people who betrayed their ideals, violated the oath and surrendered, sold, the country to the enemy for plunder, who began and carry out genocide of their fellow citizens, they are all in power, continue to sleep softly and eat sweetly. Given this state of affairs, there is no need to come up with any progress and development of the country even in the future.