From the left to the anarchists: rallies against pension reform were held in St. Petersburg and Moscow

A rally within the All-Russian protest against pension reform, organized by the communists in St. Petersburg, gathered about 5 thousand people on Saturday, reports EADaily.

This event was the first coordinated action in the city on the Neva after the World Cup 2018. The rally was held at the Finland Station. It was attended by representatives of various parties and movements - from the left to the anarchists.

As the representative of Yabloko, Boris Vishnevsky, said, the deputies who voted for raising the retirement age have their conscience atrophied.

Representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation called for a campaign to recall the deputies who are poorly versed in domestic policy.

Are we, having worked all my life, do not deserve these pension crumbs? It is necessary to withdraw the deputies who supported the pension reform! In addition, we have the Constitutional Court, where we also need to defend our rights,

said a member of the Communist Party Marina Zvereva.

She also recalled the problems with housing and communal services and the so-called free medicine, many of which people are unable to pay.

Members of the Russian socialist movement announced the beginning of work on holding pickets against pension reform in August so that by September, when a new wave of protest actions is launched, a larger number of citizens will be mobilized.

We do not ask about the political views of those who apply to us, we simply unite with opponents of reform, otherwise it will pass, and it will not give anything good to society,

said the representative of the motion.

Portraits of deputies of the State Duma and the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg, who approved the reform, at the end of the action were defiantly thrown into the trash bin.

The resolution adopted by the protesters said that if the reform was adopted, the Russian government would have to resign. Government resignations were also demanded by residents of Ulyanovsk, Kalga and Volgograd.

In Moscow, according to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, about 100 thousand people came to the rally. Participants in the event called the pension reform “predatory”.

People went under the slogans “There is no pension reform by Medvedev!”, “Pension reform - the forerunner of the demographic abyss!”, “Down with the capitalist ministers!” And others.

Comments

[Vadim237]

For this, you can lose your job and generally sit down.

[Gennadich]

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs, because you’ll dismiss it, a chain reaction will begin and they will begin to smash the administrations .. and we are afraid of losing their work-a vicious circle .. the country slaves, the land of the masters ... although they still haven’t pressed it yet .. The Russian people, although they can be squeezed for a long time, still there is a limit

[Greg Miller]

It is necessary with a petition to the "good king" to bow to go ....

[Gennadich]

and it’s better to ask on your knees

[Sergey39]

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees. You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change.

[Alex 2016]

In Japan, in general, they die at work, but were not lucky and survived, the old one became, then they drag it away and throw it up the mountain. So what? Do the same? Or maybe immediately kill at birth? What are the savings on nurseries, kindergartens, etc. etc. will be. The budget will grow! And gastrobayters will work too. Fat a bunch of uniform rast!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alexey 2016

In Japan, in general, they die at work, but were not lucky and survived, the old one became, then they drag it away and throw it up the mountain.

What is still being dragged? In Japan, 16 life expectancy is longer than in Russia. And they retire in 70 years. That is, if we retire on average for 13,5 years, then they have 17.

[BAI]

There, at work, they die at the age of 15 due to a 35-hour working day.

[Mordvin 3]

Then where does the digit in 87 years come from?

[mig29mks]

"it dies from him, but which ones survive until they live old")))))

[Yasen Ping]

Do you know about Japan well? they are dying out as a nation ..

[vindigo]

and South Koreans followed

[kenig1]

What do they scoff at, they deliver them to the mountain on a cruise ship.

[dSK]

Quote: kenig1

on mountain

Pension reform is inevitable - life expectancy in Russia is growing,
but an increase in retirement age should not overtake her.
Gaidarites bring people to the "white heat" twisting nuts.
Russia's resources make it possible to gradually increase the retirement age. We must learn from the positive experience of other countries - for example, Germany.
To carry out the first stage - an increase of three months per year to 63/58, it will take 12 years.
The second stage - an increase of one month per year for men and two for women - to 64 / 60, it will take another 12 years.

[dgoncovch]

and introduce a progressive tax and security officials must leave like everyone

[solzh]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz.

But to be honest, for example, on the drum, how the Chinese live there. We are not Chinese, we are citizens of Russia.

Quote: Sergey39

You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change.

Two frogs. taken from the link https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3119767/post106
921595
Once upon a time there were two frogs. They were friends and lived in the same ditch. But
only one of them was a real forest frog - brave, strong, cheerful,
and the other was neither one nor the other: there was a coward, a lazy person, a dormouse. About her even
they said that she was not born in the forest, but somewhere in the city park.
But still they lived together, these frogs.
And then one night they went for a walk.
They walk along a forest road and suddenly see - there is a house. And near the house
cellar. And from this cellar it smells delicious: mold smells, damp,
moss, mushrooms. And this is just the thing that frogs love.
So they quickly climbed into the cellar, began to run and jump there.
Jumped, jumped and accidentally fell into a pot of sour cream.
And they began to sink.
And of course, they don’t want to drown.
Then they began to flounder, began to swim. But this clay pot
there were very high slippery walls. And the frogs can’t get out of there.
That frog, which was a lazy one, swam a little, blabbed and
thinks:
"Anyway, I can’t get out of here. Well, I'll flounder in vain.
Only nerves for nothing to scuff. I'd rather drown right away. "
She thought so, stopped floundering - and drowned.
And the second frog - it was not like that. She thinks:
"No, brethren, I will always have time to drown. It will not leave me. Or rather, I
still floundering, still swimming. Who knows, maybe I have something
and will come out. "
But only - no, nothing comes of it. No matter how you swim, you won’t go far.
The pot is narrow, the walls are slippery - do not get out the frog from sour cream.
But still she does not give up, does not lose heart.
“Nothing,” he thinks, “as long as I have strength, I’ll flounder. I'm still alive
- means you have to live. And there - what will happen. "
And so - our brave frog is fighting with his last strength
frog death. Well, she began to lose consciousness. Already choked.
Now she’s pulling her to the bottom. And here she does not give up. Know your paws working.
Jerking paws and thinking:
"No. Don't give up. Naughty, frog death ..."
And suddenly - what is it? Suddenly our frog feels that under her feet
no longer sour cream, but something solid, something so strong, reliable, like
land. The frog was surprised, looked and saw: no sour cream in the pot already
no, but she stands on a lump of oil.
“What is it?” The frog thinks. “Where did the oil come from?”
She was surprised, and then guessed: it was she herself with her paws from
liquid sour cream solid oil knocked down.
“Well,” the frog thinks, “then I did well, which I didn’t
drowned. "
She thought so, jumped out of the pot, rested and galloped to her
home - to the forest.
And the second frog remained lying in the pot.
And never did she, darling, see white light again, and never
never jumped, and never croaked.
Well. If you are telling the truth, then you, the frog, are to blame. Not
lose heart! Do not die before death ...

[ver_]

.. was not too lazy to write so much? ..

[solzh]

There are great features called copy and paste

[rodus]

Great chef!
Glad to see everyone present in good health! ;)))

[Greg Miller]

Or maybe the Chinese became the first economy in the world yet not because of a lack of pensions? Maybe due to the fact that there they still shoot for corruption, and do not send "Chinese Helicopters" to lead ....

[Logall]

So in Belarus, too, there seems to be no corruption ... So why aren't you the second or third world economy?
I respect the people of Belarus, but we Russians will figure it out on this issue!

[210ox]

Alexander, Greg is the same Belarusian as me ...

Quote: Logall

So in Belarus, too, there seems to be no corruption ... So why aren't you the second or third world economy?
I respect the people of Belarus, but we Russians will figure it out on this issue!

[Vlad.by]

Quote: Logall

So in Belarus, too, there seems to be no corruption ... So why aren't you the second or third world economy?
I respect the people of Belarus, but we Russians will figure it out on this issue!

Ha ha 3 times ...
They made fun!

[sir_obs]

[quoteMaybe due to the fact that there they still shoot for corruption,] [/ quote]
In China, only those who are identified as passers-by are shot from above. There is a very strict hierarchy and discipline on this account, a centuries-old tradition. Squinting at China is not worth it, it is a rather specific and complex apparatus, which they rule over and nothing happens without their knowledge.
And corruption is everywhere and in the West, which we are given as an example in the first place. The European Parliament itself came to the conclusion that about 20 percent of all transactions in the union goes to all kinds of kickbacks. In the states, it is simply legalized and citizens pay taxes on money, which are essentially bribes, but are called lobbying. In Japan, in general, this was elevated to the rank of art (as they usually do) and even came up with a special word.
So. That it is not necessary to mow to the West, they will not teach us how to deal with what they themselves cultivate.

[Phil77]

Plus, this is truly effective economic management! Chinese goods have conquered the whole world, of course there are questions about the quality, but they are in demand. Moreover, the question is price + quality very flexible.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz.

In China, they receive in the cities and the public sector, and these are very significant sectors, in fact, only rural workers in private business do not receive it.

[parusnik]

You are mistaken and private business workers receive, it doesn’t matter rural or urban .. The owner pays the contributions to the pension fund and the employee ..

[MstislavHrabr]

Indeed, there are pensions in China. There is no pension tax of 35%, which stifles the producer ...

[udincev]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world

Tales about the Chinese who are buzzing, and you tell the first economy of the world on the wrong site ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz.

Not tired of repeating this nonsense?

[oh how]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees. You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change.

in general, they get it, but not all. Plus, their income level is growing.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz.

The Chinese receive retirement for men from 60 and women from 55. It is difficult for the rural population with pensions to not deduct pension contributions and therefore can only rely on social pensions.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz.

receive. Women retirement age of 50 years (at work with manual labor) and in power at 55 years. Men retire at 60 years.

Quote: Sergey39

To become the first economy in the world you have to tighten your belts to work like bees

to become the first economy in the world there must be a progressive taxation scale, low VAT, low energy prices in the country (all this is in China but not in Russia) and then the economy will grow, and with it the well-being of the people.
The average salary in China for two years has doubled from 30 to 60 thousand rubles with our money, and in Russia it is not growing. In China, VAT is constantly decreasing (now it is reduced to 16% and in our country it is increased to 20%).

It is useless to tirelessly drag a honey into a state honeycomb as a bee if from these honeycombs the honey will go only to support state drones.

[Mstivoy]

Only stupid and lazy people, like the mantra, repeat “there is no pension in China,” study the question before writing.

[spirit]

What do you say) the Chinese receive a pension and budgetary and corporate and income taxes of up to 50 thousand rubles are canceled in ours) so this will tell you Kiselev how bad it is in China

[Gennadich]

quote = Sergey39] The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees. You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change. [/ Quote]
hi lahti 2-your training manual is rotten

[BAI]

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz

You will laugh, but the pygmies of Africa and the Indians of the Amazon also live without pensions. Why then overthrew the king?

[Gnefredov]

Do not write us down as “Asians”. Give you free rein, you still tell about Chad (such a country in Africa). Separate flies from cutlets.

[New Year day]

Quote: Sergey39

To become the first economy in the world you have to tighten your belts to work like bees

Do you plan to become the right economy with a salary of engineers of 15-20 thousand?

[SSR]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees. You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change.

Kitays, go labot here forum of Russia.

Quote: Alex 2016

In Japan, in general, they die at work, but were not lucky and survived, the old one became, then they drag it away and throw it up the mountain. So what? Do the same? Or maybe immediately kill at birth? What are the savings on nurseries, kindergartens, etc. etc. will be. The budget will grow! And gastrobayters will work too. Fat a bunch of uniform rast!

Wow Japan!

Oh guys, we will have everything!
Through the "poop", but will be.
It is necessary to go out to the "rally"; many do not remember where this "concept" comes from.

rally
meeting
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gathering
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, collection
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[Deck]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz

Complete lies. Just from a business trip - I asked the locals.

[Foxmara]

It's just that a friend has outdated information. Really did not receive. But China has everything planned for decades to come. There is also an improvement in life. The country is governed by one party. Under the direction of one person. It is possible to write plans for 50 years in advance.

[passing]

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz.

stop talking nonsense. Before you write something, you need to read something. Well, for example, what did the Chinese leader report to at the last party congress.
He himself is illiterate, and people believe.

[Guillon]

This is only half the battle! The other half is the execution of embezzlers with confiscation!

[reservist]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz.

about Chinese pensions have already painted higher ...

To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees.

There were no and no pensions in Thailand, what about the Thai economy?

[valek97]

Lies, there are pensions there, do not lie ...

[Logall]

The most interesting thing is that the path to the rally in Moscow was not easy: entire blocks were closed so that people would turn circles around in the heat ... Many simply did not reach! And they explained that for the sake of preventing riots. Although they didn’t do such tricks with football fans!
It turns out that with foreigners it is kindly, but with your people you can in every way ...
There should have been more rallies in the country, but
But, as for the organizers of the rally, it was also a manipulation: the Communist Party of the Russian Federation speculates on popular discontent with the reform and is "cheap and cheerful" gaining points ...

[MPN]

- The economy is in the ass. It keeps only on the flow of free money,
which is steadily declining. The country has long been producing nothing but
Ponte. The general decline in morality among the population. Read books - considered
zapadlom. Men, women and even children drink, smoke and randomly
getting fucked. Squealing rulers - on the show-off. They long ago looked up from
reality and believe in their divinity. Permanent and useless
provocations and quarrels with neighbors. The rampaging security officials have long been unable
protect the country, but regularly rob their own citizens ...
“Eugene, stop reading the newspapers.” Go learn lessons.
“So I teach.” We were asked about the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

[spirit]

You are right, during the late decline of the Western Roman Empire, philosophers wrote:
Scientists, philosophers, and even less educated people were not held in high esteem. In rich houses began to invite more jesters, actors) nothing reminds you

[Vlad.by]

Where are you doing the show-offs?
For example, I produce a tool for the food industry and something else.
Although formally a pensioner. Working.
And I’m not complaining. True, I am an employer, although no one bothers you to start your own business.
You look and the question of retirement age will go by the wayside. No?

[Gennadich]

it seems to me that you are a small businessman lying, you should be worried about tariffs, taxes are unreasonable for everything ... what a bad businessman you are ...

[Mstivoy]

All these "businessmen" swear and cannot understand why this is so the people are not satisfied ....

[Gennadich]

Yes, they’re a star dear, now I have a little service, it’s more difficult to be satisfied every year ... some energy tariffs are 2 times higher than that of the population, and as a business? Okay, I take the quality ... but the people don’t compared to the 16th year

[Vlad.by]

Well, I'm bad. you never know.
But I exist and produce at least something.
What is the point of lying to me? In front of you, white and fluffy, get upbeat? So, you know, a lot of honor.
You yourself that “produce” what’s useful, well, except for the show-offs?

[Mstivoy]

What is the point of lying to your interlocutor, it seems to me that lying is just to convince you of “much honor” and of course, I’m sure he is also a very large and well-known businessman like you, but this does not prevent him from being extremely concerned on the issue of pension reform. But at the expense of you, I can’t be so sure that something tells me that you are not honest enough with your interlocutor and all your “produce” is limited to “production of show-offs” because judging by your comments you are an extremely motivated interlocutor. I re-read your comment. What are you all positive, a businessman and a pensioner, and a “freebie” from the state in the form of a pension you are ready to give to the ministers, but I just can’t understand what is your personal opinion and the people's attitude? Or your figure and your chatter about what you, it seems to me, is possible! businessman and maybe! senior citizen, what does it mean in this particular conversation?

[Mr Credo]

And who does not allow EdRu to score points?

[demo]

It is too early.
It is necessary on Sunday in January .............
Hapon has not yet appeared.

[Phil77]

Quote: demo

It is too early.
It is necessary on Sunday in January .............
Hapon has not yet appeared.

Well, there are enough candidates for the role of Gapon! They will bring them to the bushes to the square.

[DMM2006]

Lyoshenka Navalny is best suited for the role of Gapon. If we compare their roles in public life, then one person is straightforward.

[freddyk]

Quote: Greg Miller

It is necessary with a petition to the "good king" to bow to go ....

How to Nikolashka? Notably then went.

[DMM2006]

So people already went on Sunday, January 9 (22), 1905. I think everyone remembers the result. Do you really think that now those in power will react differently?

[izya top]

Quote: Gennadich

and this is what they use .... your cowardice.

[Gennadich]

discharge counted-hello prigogine and Lahti 2

[Foxmara]

And my tribe did not go to rallies. I walked through the woods. Pumped up muscle. There were problems with studying. He went to the army knowingly. He returned. There is a closet in the shoulders, although before that it was not a sloop. With the study problems are gone. Not a conscious type. Everything for yourself, nothing for Lesha.

[sir_obs]

in the west for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs

Enough of the snowstorm, enough. In the west, policemen would come and break everyone. And the job is not afraid of losing someone who doesn’t have it or such a situation that it is better to be completely unemployed.

[Gennadich]

typical slave thinking of a nightingale swallowed by droppings

[Borisovich]

Quote: Gennadich

that's what they use .... your cowardice ..

And yours? What are your actions, specific, what are they? Did you picket, go on strike, go on hunger strike in the end? Or sit in front of the clave and blame others for cowardice? And you?
You can object to anything, but bring YOUR specific action.

[Gennadich]

my specific act was I at a rally-swallowed? Yes, and on the couch-account, to be dissatisfied is already something than to voluntarily slavishly argue .. shah and mate

[Borisovich]

Quote: Gennadich

my particular act was me at the rally

And I was. Then what? You yourself wrote

Quote: Gennadich

Why is it just rallies?

And suddenly here you are, but I was specifically at the rally, and this is my specific act.
And about the sofa, aren't you from the trench "practical" advice?

Quote: Gennadich

they’d go out on weekdays and paralyze the work of transport and energy, for example, the authorities would pay attention ..

Where are you? Have you paralyzed the work of transport or energy? Oh, but you went to the rally !!!!!!!!!!!! So, let someone paralyze, and you look from the couch and advise something else. Oh well.......
You contradict yourself.

[Gennadich]

another plum and verbiage-congratulations ... I’m not working in transport and not in the energy sector, otherwise the boycott would have been swallowed?

[Borisovich]

Quote: Gennadich

.. I’m not working in transport and not in energy

So lie on the rails. Stop the train.
And then after all there are only cowards all around, one you d'Artagnan
Gaponovshchina smells of your posts.

[Gennadich]

Well, nothing, sober up even from such reforms, unless of course you are not good ... there is no third ...

[Borisovich]

The third is just given. I'm on retirement. Gap on.

[Gennadich]

and if you’re retired, don’t go anywhere at all — you’ve already worked out yours and get yours ... !!! and the brain that is completely absorbed by the TV doesn’t work for you anymore and your opinion is empty .. then the future of the country discusses the problem .. !!!

[_Sergei_]

Gennadich (George) Today, 21:54 ↑ New
another plum and verbiage-congratulations good ... I'm not in transport and not in the energy sector

He would lay down on the rails, block the way for a steam locomotive, or hang himself on wires.

[Gennadich]

troll leaked-expected for Putinists

[Vlad.by]

no, okay! All here are trolls and Putinists, he is alone in white. (shroud?)

The agenda in the army has not yet arrived?
Go work, earn!
And then all the freebies from the state are waiting ...
The West (in general and in particular) lives better because it works better, and not because its "state" contains.

[Gennadich]

I’m not going to feed more lakh anymore .. until

[HMR333]

No, they have unions and therefore, and not because of the pogroms!

[NordUral]

Yes, George, we are cowards and idlers, moreover, we are dull before our eyes.
After all, it is clear that with these that are now in power, after some time, neither Russia nor us will be.
But I think that it is necessary to act within the framework of the law, but constantly and decisively. And all the people! Then in the elections we will win and oust them from power.
A rebellion is when there is no other choice. But, if we are united, then in a peaceful way you can return the country to the people.
On the 9 of September, the elections, the first after the March, so it is necessary to begin to vote in large numbers, and not sit out at the dachas or rest on the sofas. And for those who claim to be leaders, discard personal ambitions and go to the polls on a united front.

[smile]

Gennadich

Sorry, but can you tell me in which countries of the West the “courageous” revolutions took place, which helped lower the retirement age? But in almost all Western countries the retirement age is the same as we want to introduce now? And how, the discontent of the "free" Western people greatly helped him?
Do not be shy - please tell us. :)))
Or are there all the slaves?
Are you foolishly carrying such nonsense, or are you an acclaimed provocateur who suggests paralyzing the country's transport and energy system here? I would especially like to hear the answer to this question.
By the way, the cries about the blessed west, which are "non-slaves" - are very reminiscent of someone else ... well, you know, we have such neighbors who, in the hope of liking the "free" west, set their house on fire .... And which one is much better become?
It’s interesting, since the “free west” is an idol for you, what kind of political movement can you attribute yourself to? :)))) Well, not to the Communists, that's for sure. After all, someone who, and they despise such Westerners. Is not it? :)))
I remind you for ... ignorant - there are completely legal ways to defend their legitimate interests. And those who do it by illegal methods in the "free" west are crushed like bugs.

[Gennadich]

Well, a thinking person is a provocateur ... well .. bear on, they are already seriously discussing bicycle taxes ... that's what you need

[Golovan Jack]

Are you adequate, in general?
They tell you:

Quote: smile

there are completely legal ways to defend their legitimate interests

And you to this:

Quote: Gennadich

take it further, they are already seriously discussing bicycle taxes ...

Where is the connection, dear?
PS: and what is there for the "bicycle tax", share a reference, since not scrap.

[Gennadich]

keep a link to bicycles .. yes and google yourself-yesterday they already said on NTV .. on the federal channel https://news.drom.ru/62349.html/

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gennadich

keep a link to bikes

Thank you, I didn’t.
However, this is not a "tax" (which is paid annually, for example), but a recycling fee (GYYY ... idiots ...), once upon purchase.
It is called, as I understand it, “to help the domestic manufacturer” (this charge is not levied on the buyer for domestic bicycles).
Although - IMHO - the crap, of course, is utter.

Quote: Gennadich

Yesterday they said on NTV ... on the federal channel

Well, I don’t have a TV !!! (c) a joke.
Catch a plus.
PS: and about "where is the connection" - you, like, prefer to forget?

[Gennadich]

Well, the recycling fee, although not tax, but unnecessarily climb into your pocket .. so call it at least something tax at least money should be given

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gennadich

unnecessarily climb into your pocket.

I agree, my definitely ... buy a bicycle or something, until they introduced

[Gennadich]

I’ll buy a bicycle with a specialist if something, so that the initiator doesn’t feed anything from me

[smile]

Gennadich
:)))
It is especially touching when people like yourself call themselves “thinking people” ... :))) Sir, is it really so important for you to praise yourself? Or did someone deceive you by telling you what you think? Well ... in both cases - my condolences .... :)))
By the way, I do not argue that you are "thinking" ... and I'm even sure that you are a person ... :)))))
But in essence of my statements you do not answer ... therefore, you have nothing to object to ..... and I'm right .... After all? Or not ? :)))
In general, it is very unfortunate .... :)))) It is very unfortunate that you do not live in our territory and it is difficult to hold you accountable for the acts provided for in our Criminal Code. .... Or are you our citizen? Feel free to tell the public .... :)))

[MstislavHrabr]

Did your dad a provocateur never work anywhere?

[Gennadich]

my dad died in Afghanistan, so by .. and then provocations, well, bear on

[APASUS]

Quote: Gennadich

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid to lose their jobs

In the West, you can live on unemployment benefits, do we have a lot of living at the maximum rate of 5000 rubles? And given that everyone has children and loans, a mortgage (take your political preferences out of the banks for banks and take it out!) The attitude to work is very serious, or do you think Navalny will pay you extra

[Gennadich]

Yes, you already open your eyes, your bulk is the same thief jester!

[Sergey ippon]

but in the low allowance there is also a plus, the Arabs do not go to permanent residence!

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

I went to the rally, out of 630 thousand inhabitants, 500 people came!

Quote: Gennadich

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs, because you’ll dismiss it, a chain reaction will begin and they will begin to smash the administrations .. and we are afraid of losing their work-a vicious circle .. the country slaves, the land of the masters ... although they still haven’t pressed it yet .. The Russian people, although they can be squeezed for a long time, still there is a limit
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I went to the rally, out of 630 thousand inhabitants, 500 people came!

[Gennadich]

that's it, Russia is weak not because Putin and thieves .. but because the people ... and Putin and thieves are just those who are worthy of the people

[Foxmara]

Quote: Gennadich

.in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their job, because if you dismiss, a chain reaction will take place and administrations will already begin to smash

This is where you saw this in the west? The last time I remember France, where there were a lot of blacks from the former colonies and where there are still places where the police are afraid to go, which does not speak in favor of democracy in France, but only in the direction of the inability to control their "citizens". Otherwise, something I do not recall such cases. Unless, of course, Ukraine is considered to be the west, where the regional state administrations were really smashed, but not because of dismissal, but for grandmas issued by the State Department and other Western organizers of the Maidan. By the way, and even in France, pogroms were not at all connected with work. The killings of blacks. The Italians are on strike because they want to work less, the Greeks because of the cutback in social programs, but I do not remember the pogroms of the administration.

[TAMBU]

yes yes .. here in the West ... here in the West ... dispatchers and carriers have first-class unions, and a convenient position for protest. Any of their absenteeism is immediately a million-dollar loss to the owner. Teachers sometimes protest ... in the West. There is also information about the protest of workers in factories in the West, but there is little data on the fulfillment of their conditions. unions are all bought and overbought. The rest are silent in a rag ...

And the last one. In the West, getting a job (any) is like winning a lottery. Losing work there is complete ... p ... sail ... there is no need to tell stories about the West.

[Flyer_64]

in the west for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs

There are trade unions. And with us they only collect contributions.

[Dietmar]

Yes, you, my friend, is not the only one!

[Yarik]

we have no west

You can't go with a vinci, and without it, the Russian Guard (with a small letter).

[ancestors from Don]

Why on TV screens about pension robbery (I can’t call it a reform) argue artists, athletes and just any stray dandruff and there is not a single worker or village worker ??? Ask them before they pick up the pitchfork.

[Mr Credo]

On this topic, it is better for doctors from polyclinics and hospitals to give interviews. Better they talk about the good health of 50-60 year olds.

[spirit]

Because people with a low social standard) and artists lie under any authority

[Foxmara]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

Why do TV artists talk about pension robbery (I can’t call it a reform)

This is elementary, Watson, because it is they who are sitting on the blue eye. This is their job. Well, because most of the artists are intelligentsia, bought in the bud by partners. What they order, it broadcasts.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Gennadich

Why is it just rallies?

It depends on how many people come out, in 2011 even liberal rallies were frightened

[Gennadich]

yes, although then the word liberal was not yet understood

[Foxmara]

Quote: IvanIvanov

2011 even scared liberal rallies

Mink revolution? )) Then it was funny, they unwound it on fakes, later this wick was screwed up and it became impossible to shoot video about the "carousel", at least in each section there was a camera. And even later there was Ukraine, and after that the desire for a radical change in everything in the country was lost in most even minks.

[HMR333]

and where did you see what in the west you achieved something in France? or in the usa? and there and there hard acceleration that's all! so it’s not worthwhile comparing the West and each state has its own economy, which means that it’s in many ways incorrect to compare its nuances! they are rallying deputies, I mean it would be better if they offered something practical, for example, they received salaries not of 400 thousand, but of 200 - 250 and the rest would be retired, that would be the case!

[Mr Credo]

The nuance seems to be the same everywhere. Show that scientific and technological progress is an evil that reduces the number of employees. Forward to the past! To plow and manual labor!

[Vadim237]

And all our pensioners would have received, from this reduction in the salaries of officials, 400 rubles each.

[NordUral]

This is not the case. It's just a matter of morality.
The fact is that this government, or rather the organized crime group, by no means wants to develop production in the country.
Which will fill the country with both necessary products and taxes on all the needs of the country. The guarantor promised us 25 million of new jobs. Where are they? But recently he listened to him at a meeting with volunteers from football, so he said something completely different about new jobs. Not about creating, but about REDUCING jobs, was nonsense about the digital economy and a lot of other things, which I won’t comment on - will be banned.

[Vadim237]

Production in Russia is developing independently of them, and 25 million jobs are simply not available for them. and in the next 10 to 15 years, they will not appear.

[Borisovich]

Quote: HMR333

deputies, I mean, it would be better if they offered something practical, for example, they received salaries not of 400 thousand, but of 200 - 250, and the rest would be retired, that would be the case!

He took 200 tyrov from each servant of the people, multiplied by the number of servants in the State. Duma, divided by the number of pensioners in the Russian Federation !!!!!! At 2 rubles 63 kopecks per month per capita turned out.

[vadimtt]

Borisovich, you are taking it somewhere wrong - the deputy’s salary is not income, but a nice empty bonus, the amount for pocket expenses. The place of the deputy is so expensive not because of the salary.

[Alexey Sobolev]

Totally agree!

[Fungus]

In the West, rallies almost every day and with violence. And there’s no sense. So hat your rallies.

[Panikovsky]

Quote: Gennadich

what’s the point of just rallies? we don’t have a west-ride .. yes and then they went on the weekend and did not boycott the work of airports and transport hubs ... they would go out on weekdays and paralyze the work of transport and energy, for example, the authorities would pay attention. .and so did not notice

There are a lot of things, St. George, rallies are taking place in all cities, this cannibalistic reform will not take place, the people are against it, and they must reckon with it. Maybe they will go to the polls and study candidates under a microscope. Everything, Alice Zvizdets, not a single core will slip, I vote for the Communist Party, the only socially oriented party.

[Gennadich]

I hope that you are right, I would like

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[Boris55]

Quote: Gennadich

we do not have a west-not rolling ..

Does it roll in the west?
Tell me, what did the rally “Pay for it’ ”give? A million rally in France against same-sex? And the rallies against Trump?

[Gennadich]

it was precisely these were rallies and not protests with a boycott .. I just wanted to say about this about the wallstreets

[Foxmara]

In the occupation, the difference between the white ribbons here and here was clearly visible.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Gennadich

what’s the point of just rallies? we don’t have a west-ride .. yes and then they went on the weekend and did not boycott the work of airports and transport hubs ... they would go out on weekdays and paralyze the work of transport and energy, for example, the authorities would pay attention. .and so did not notice

Are you from maydanutyh, or what? All this crap with the pension reform, initiated by Westerners in the government, is designed for people like you. They desperately need to stir up the Ukromaydan variant in Russia.

[White and fluffy]

Yes, the word doesn’t work on unscrupulous people; you need a whip or a batog.

[Pravodel]

This, it seems, is already version 3 of the reform, one can lose count, one that even the boys in short pants did not dare to do in the 90s.
The need for pension reform has really matured and has long overripe. But this does not mean that the pension reform should be carried out as proposed by the government: we will give you an additional 1 thousand rubles. per month, you will live happily and happily, and shut up. Pension reform must begin from the other end: not with people, not with retirement age, but with preferences, with pension benefits that pensioners who retire at 35-40 years old enjoy. That's where the dog is buried !!! If half work for retirement benefits, not even reaching the retirement age, and with a substantial pension, then what can we talk about ... No pension fund can stand it.
The ballerina retires at a privilege of 35 years due to the loss of the ability to dance. Moreover, she loses her ability to work, cannot work until she reaches the retirement age for women?! ... If she cannot work at retirement, she must receive a disability pension, but not an old-age pension ...
The military, having served in the Navy in a submarine, retire at an old age of 35 years. Healthy men, that they can’t work, they need a pension.
Examples can still bring a bunch. Everyone can think for himself. But the main thing here - early retirement before reaching the general retirement age - this is the true reason for the shortage of funds in the pension fund.
If the government took care of retirees, then one would have to do differently: those who have earned a pension on seniority, on a benefit: ballerinas, military, doctors, teachers, etc., should receive it only when they reach the retirement age common to all. If they cannot work, they must receive disability and disability pension. In all other cases, these people must undergo retraining and work until they reach the general retirement age, earning a second pension. And that would be fair.
Pension reform in the form in which it is proposed by the government is not fair and, rightly, causes indignation of the people. The government is pulling not for those reins for which it is necessary to pull ... It is necessary to deal with beneficiaries, and not with pensioners ...

[Guru]

And who will feed their families, that would go out on weekdays ???

[Vend]

Quote: Gennadich

what’s the point of just rallies? we don’t have a west-ride .. yes and then they went on the weekend and did not boycott the work of airports and transport hubs ... they would go out on weekdays and paralyze the work of transport and energy, for example, the authorities would pay attention. .and so did not notice

We already went through it in 1917

[Dietmar]

Your comment is very similar to "Call for riots, extremist activities and participation in uncoordinated mass (public) events.". I notified the site admin about this.
Once again, blink something like that, I will send a link to the Prosecutor General's Office.

[mvd ru]

“Down with the capitalist ministers!” that's for sure that it’s not a minister, then a capitalist

[Yarik]

What is pop, such is parish. A fascist state, all the signs. And the further, the more. For what the ancestors fought - it is not clear, here are their fascists. Khazin and Delyagin are pretty good about that.

[izya top]

Quote: Yarik

What is pop, such is parish. Fascist state, all signs

burnt out?

or is the salostan having fun here?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: iza top

Quote: Yarik

What is pop, such is parish. Fascist state, all signs

burnt out?

or is the salostan having fun here?

Yes, citizen, it’s hard for you. You always have a choice only between Putin and Navalny. They don’t tell you about other options, but they can’t think for themselves. So, according to your logic, since there are no other options, you will personally have to campaign for Navalny. Why? But Navalny is younger than GDP, and GDP is not immortal. Well, as one option will be everything, and with you Zaputinians it’s hard with others and there is no choice, there will be nothing to choose. Be a supporter of the rest, i.e. Bulk. With what I personally congratulate you.
PS Well, what kind of Zaputinsky trolls went. Zadornov satirist spoke about the Americans, but then scored the same.

[Gennadich]

a satirist, he exaggerated for the sake of humor ... and at the expense of the Lakhta trolls, there’s no work going on and stupidly plundering the allocated funds simulating violent activity, and the trolls are the most stupid and cheapest ones for ibd

[Panikovsky]

Quote: mvd ru

“Down with the capitalist ministers!” that's for sure that it’s not a minister, then a capitalist

Right Ivan. New nobles to their new homeland, i.e. on ... th! Roughly speaking, go to Sechins, Lysins, Mordashovs, Friedmans with Vekselbergs, and other husks away and forever. Take your ministers with bureaucrats of a lower rank, take with you. You can take the deputies of the State Duma with you, this rotten ballast. Already primrose, you bastard, you and your children with your proteges.

[Dietmar]

Whose will you be?

[Vadim237]

The result of all these meetings is a large part of the people; this reform is not of interest.

[Uncle lee]

Still as interested .... Many did not know where and when, places changed and bans were put up ..... And this is only the beginning.

[nadezhiva]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Still as interested .... Many did not know where and when, places changed and bans were put up ..... And this is only the beginning.

In the age of the Internet, problems with public warning? Schoolchildren come to rallies Lesha more organized than here. Laziness here is unbearable and weekend holiday.

[Uncle lee]

I have all the gadgets and the Internet and Skype and I specifically looked at all local sites, and so: Information appeared only AFTER the rally. AND then unauthorized !

[NordUral]

Yes, Hope, we are lazy and cowards. And they are not very strong in mind, if we can’t understand - so, they behave relatively softly only because those from the Union are still alive.
We will leave our children already, and the grandchildren will curse us, finding ourselves in an early feudal system, and even with the grip of German fascism.
With chips in the ass, or even just with a charge in it, which can be exploded at any time.
And in the soft version - at one point to deprive of everything by cutting off oxygen in this paradise digital economy. And die of hunger if you are trying to rebel. Everything goes to that.
Therefore, we, the old man from the Union and the Soviets, simply must not let this come true. For the future of children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren ...
And it is possible that it will be scary, but there is no way out. Or victory in the election, or victory in the barricades. The first is still possible, but the time for this is melting. Jackals in power also understand this.

[Observer2014]

Uncle lee (Vladimir)

Still as interested .... Many did not know where and when, places changed and bans were put up ..... And this is only the beginning.

I fully agree with you.

[NordUral]

To combat this, there is the Internet! We need to actively communicate on these topics and notify people. Let the notion of the Americans (methods of the orange revolutions, in our case the Red Project, work for the people of Russia.

[Foxmara]

Quote: NordUral

Let the notion of the Americans (methods of the orange revolutions, in our case the Red Project, work for the people of Russia.

In only one case can it work for the people of Russia. If used at home, in the USA. We don’t need these consequences for hell - a civil war is not the best that can be in a person’s life. I’ll keep silent about the external occupation.
I remind you that the techniques of the orange revolutions work for one purpose - the unwinding of the flywheel of violence, and the mutual violence of the crowd and the authorities, until it becomes possible to forcibly change the power of trained militants under the guise of skakuas.

And not very strong mind

Well, something like this..

[NordUral]

Not everything needs to be adopted. But here for the consolidation of the real patriots, they are quite applicable. Not rallies, but crowding out of power by legal means.

[AUL]

I looked for the sake of interest, where they allowed to hold a rally in my native Kursk. It turned out at the cinema Mir! This is such an outskirts, where to get from other parts of the city is very problematic and long! The question is - why not in the center, on Red Square? After all, all sorts of demonstrations were always held there, and nobody bothered!

[NordUral]

After all, all sorts of demonstrations were always held there, and nobody bothered!

And it really bothers!

[poquello]

Quote: Vadim237

The result of all these meetings is a large part of the people; this reform is not of interest.

it’s a lie, it’s not so interested so far so

[Vadim237]

With this reform, it will be the same as with the abolition of benefits in 2006 - they will make noise and forget.

[poquello]

Quote: Vadim237

With this reform, it will be the same as with the abolition of benefits in 2006 - they will make noise and forget.

) make noise just started

[NordUral]

Do you work for this?

[NordUral]

Do not rely on this, 237!

[Mr Credo]

But like mundaleals, they roamed like nothing! And on the olympiads too!

[poquello]

Quote: Mr Credo

But like mundaleals, they roamed like nothing! And on the olympiads too!

so about mundial then from all media and for a long time

[NordUral]

It has not yet reached us, at least, to the bulk of the people that these reforms, and not only pension reforms (although this is the main one), will lead the country to destruction. And wherever possible, it is necessary to explain to these people what awaits their children and grandchildren.

[Mstivoy]

Only stupid this reform is not interested

[Vadim237]

Well, since you have 42 million retirees and 7 million millionaires are stupid, then you are definitely super-genius.

[Mstivoy]

Reread again what I wrote, since they did not understand the first time, there is nothing difficult to understand.

[Vadim237]

I have listed those who are not interested in this reform.

[Mstivoy]

Re-read and? Is it still difficult for you to understand what I said? I will help you, your statement that “The result of all these rallies is a large part of the people, this reform is not of interest” is at least mistaken, and to be exact, it’s completely opposite. By the way, I hope you understand why I did not answer your comment in a neighboring topic, where you say that "socialism has outlived itself", in my eyes this statement is so stupid that I did not find it necessary to comment on it, I hope you find the answer for yourself and to this question ...

[Vadim237]

And why socialism has become obsolete - no one needs a beggarly leveling answer, everyone wants freedom of action, freedom of movement and freedom of choice in a socialist system, where everyone should feed everyone, this will not happen - the collapse of the USSR confirmed this.

[Mstivoy]

Your statements about socialism are so stupid and ridiculous, it's just an extravaganza ... Before you say anything, study the topic, but for now you look like a funny clown in the eyes of others, discussing the topic in which the “oak oak” consciously or unconsciously reproduces the lie about some leveling and deprivation. It seems that the Volgograd "businessmen" do not know that in 1991 the citizens of the USSR overwhelmingly voted to preserve the social and political structure of the state.

[NordUral]

And how did they tell you this? What is the first, what is the second.

[Gennadich]

but in general, remember the passive people, all sorts of people happy with power (except for those who are at the trough) or just sloppies and opportunists .... until you do politics, then politics doesn’t stop working on you, and the bottle will automatically approach yours ... hiding you substitute your head in the sand, as a result, from the back your head will still hurt .. and the fire gets to the hut

[Greg Miller]

In August of the 91st, standing on the barricades at the White House, it was necessary to think about it ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Greg Miller

In August of the 91st, standing on the barricades at the White House, it was necessary to think about it ...

Learning from mistakes, it's time for us to grow wiser

[_Sergei_]

You make mistakes in Moscow, and the whole country should learn from them?

[Vadim237]

And what gave you this standing there?

[NordUral]

I agree with you, we turned out to be idiots, I certainly. But it’s time to get smarter already, because we are being trained so effectively, it’s time to understand where we came from.

[rotfuks]

A similar law was passed in France during the time of Sarkozy, so 1.5 million people took to the streets of Paris with protests. But they still pushed the law. Here other forms of protest are needed.

[Gennadich]

push through then push through - but seeing this protest anyway adjustments made

[Observer2014]

rotfuks (Ivanov Ivan)

Here other forms of protest are needed.

Are these for example?

From the left to the anarchists: rallies against pension reform were held in St. Petersburg and Moscow

Yes. For this abomination concerns all.

[Yarik]

Here other forms of protest are needed. Are these for example?

A pair of determined military.

[Mr Credo]

Well, without the participation of the military, power seems to be nowhere and never changes. Or will Shoigu hold protests? If the rallies are held further, the media will be involved in the case and will talk about the financial fraud of the organizers and their foreign financing and accounts over the hill. About fraud and offshore people from power modestly keep silent. Since the 90s, we have been advancing the ideology of class superiority. Only the upper class can express an opinion. The lower one should only obey implicitly and not express dissatisfaction!

[nadezhiva]

Quote: rotfuks

A similar law was passed in France during the time of Sarkozy, so 1.5 million people took to the streets of Paris with protests.

Feel the difference. 5 thousand and 1.5 million

[NordUral]

Not protests - this is an occasion for the shooting of machine guns. And one should not hope that the lured armed formations, and there are already more of them than the Russian Army, will turn weapons against their masters.
We must use their own weapons - democracy and win the election. But this requires the unity of the People, and we are not yet a very smart population, the electorate. But life will make or grow wiser, or become slaves of this bastard.

[Svetlana]

Quote: NordUral

We must use their own weapons - democracy and win the election.

To use their weapons, they must first be taken away. We do not have media controlled by them - they belong to the oligarchs, nor the means to control the mass fraud in the elections, nor the capital to acquire this. In 90 all competent and professional journalists were bought for good money to fool people from the TV screens, and whoever did not want to be bought, that fate befell Vlad Listyev, Artyom Borovik, Dmitry Kholodov and others. And how many were those who voted for Putin, but drew 76%, although he scored 30% on all Internet opinion polls on the Internet. But Grudinin, the only real representative from all the opposition parties and associations, was turned into some kind of monster, and he was an oligarch, and a fraudster, and a malicious evader of alimony, and in general Karabas-Barabas some, even though the rape had not yet been sentenced. The people are being led, because professionals are doing this, although often everything is sewn with white thread, it’s enough to just think and it’s clear why such harsh baiting is done, but we are weaned from thinking, they scare Ukraine with new insatiable thieves, and the old have stolen their lives and descendants from 1000 and they are not enough.

[Gennadich]

you're right, but right now, false patriots and lahti will peck you

[AUL]

Quote: Gennadich

you're right, but right now, false patriots and lahti will peck you

Well, the sixth column (sixes, simply) has nothing to fear. They are, of course, throaty, but they all know the price. Let them vote! The dog barks, and the caravan moves on! (Folk wisdom).

[izya top]

I somehow listened to the explanations of the economic situation to justify the increase the only thing that made itself

[mik0588]

It is necessary to take a closer look at what is happening in Russia. Those global gentlemen who planned the destruction of the Soviet Union and who are now sending control signals to our officials, ministers and deputies through various intermediaries, set as their goal, at least, to halve the population of Russia. That is, frank genocide is visible here. And the deputies press the buttons because they get their 30 pieces of silver. By today's standards, these are very good pieces of silver, but still they are pieces of silver. Pension reform is by no means an economic program, it’s just programming a social cataclysm.

[AUL]

So what is the reform of the pension system? What is being reformed? The retirement age is just stupidly rising, and what a system it was, it remains so!

[mik0588]

Pension costs in Russia are very soft for the economy.
The volume of total annual payments is about 7.5 trillion rubles, or 7.5% of GDP.
In countries of eastern Europe, it is 9% -12%, Poland, Portugal, France - 14%, in Italy - 16%.
Those. we see that the load on the economy in Russia is lower.
Why it happens ? Russian workers receive low wages.
The cost of labor in Russia is underestimated, hence the low pension contributions. We live in the era of the initial accumulation of capital and are a hundred years behind in our historical development, and if someone thinks that this strip will end quickly by itself, then deeply mistaken.
The implementation of neo-liberal policies has been laid for several decades to come, and as a result, people will only get worse.

[freddyk]

Quote: mik0588

Pension costs in Russia are very soft for the economy.
The volume of total annual payments is about 7.5 trillion rubles, or 7.5% of GDP.
In countries of eastern Europe, it is 9% -12%, Poland, Portugal, France - 14%, in Italy - 16%.
Those. we see that the load on the economy in Russia is lower.
Why it happens ? Russian workers receive low wages.
The cost of labor in Russia is underestimated, hence the low pension contributions. We live in the era of the initial accumulation of capital and are a hundred years behind in our historical development, and if someone thinks that this strip will end quickly by itself, then deeply mistaken.
The implementation of neo-liberal policies has been laid for several decades to come, and as a result, people will only get worse.

That is, your opinion that capitalism in the West has evolved to social benefits to the working people. And my opinion is that this “fault”, the merit of the Soviet state, it was its very existence that made Western capitalists think about their people. By the way, the Union did not exist, they immediately began to squeeze their own, there was no one to compete with.

[Vadim237]

"Those global gentlemen who planned the destruction of the Soviet Union and who are now sending control signals to our officials, ministers and deputies through various intermediaries." - Yeltsin and Berezovsky from "space" established a connection - that’s the signal.

[mik0588]

These characters at one time did not pass, but rather felt, or will you deny? And raising the retirement age is one of the IMF requirements (there is still a lot of interesting things in the form of "recommendations", go to the site).

[Vadim237]

Maybe, besides the IMF, we’ll attach something else to the pension reform, Viktor Ivanovich, having cut into a transformer and chopped off a half-house - but this past thunderstorm the day before was to blame, and the management decided to send him to retire, six months later, at 61, and then bang, reform as salvation - it's his fault, luck smiled at him twice.

[ancestors from Don]

The paradox of a change in consciousness, yes, I voted for Putin, yes I believed him that these would be years of breakthrough and victories, but the first doubt crept in when he left the incompetent government of Medvedev in full force (the question is who stopped them for 18 years ???) and now when anti-people’s laws are being adopted with a rate of fire as from the “hail” multiple launch rocket system, I am on the side of the people, I will be with him.

[Ivan Ivanov]

An attack by the authorities with an open visor will allow many to figure it out, but in general Putin’s economic views could be understood by his surroundings, speeches at forums, joining the WTO with a weak economy without patronage, monetization of benefits, etc. .. he is 100% liberal, only with international ambitions, Unlike EBN, which incidentally opened the center, the signal is unambiguous

[AUL]

More new gifts are being prepared - a recycling fee when buying a bicycle and the introduction of a fee for picking mushrooms in the forest.
The state has been put on the brink of bankruptcy by the authorities, and meanwhile, 10-12 billion bucks are leaking out over the hill monthly!

[Vadim237]

Bankruptcy, no, Russia has one of the lowest public debt in the world - $ 50 billion.

[Mr Credo]

Well, about leaking, it's like looking at it. If Russia integrates (integrated) into the global economy, then this is not the export of capital abroad. There are no borders anymore. There is a world order. And all these sanctions, they are not against Russia, but for attracting Russian elites to world orders. Our elite seems outraged by the sanctions, but they themselves wanted a complete entry into the global economy!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Mister Creed

but they themselves wanted complete entry into the global economy!

They wanted to vote, and they were shown a famous place. Moreover, the world order means that transnationals will ride around the necks of the working people, i.e. no easier and no chance of a change.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote from AUL

More new gifts are being prepared - a recycling fee when buying a bicycle and the introduction of a mushroom picking fee in the forest

It’s not you who at one time read the tax on village toilets (like a toilet)?
Is there already such a tax, or will it just be?

[Vadim237]

Soon, a tax on dogs will be introduced - the larger the dog, the higher the tax. It’s like with the new law on potatoes already planted - she will not show the passport to the inspector, and there will be no stamp on the tubers that it corresponds to the seeds allowed for planting in Russia.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

... the larger the dog, the higher the tax ...

... I would be very surprised if it were the other way around
I have an average dog, how to pull the thread

[PiP]

Quote from AUL

The state has been put on the brink of bankruptcy by the authorities, and meanwhile, 10-12 billion bucks are leaking out over the hill monthly!

I’m even wondering why we haven’t been "explained" yet - "that these are dividends from foreign investments that foreign partners invested in Russia."

[Vadim237]

And they don’t need it - the main thing is to hear a ring and scream louder “They plunder us”.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote from AUL

Still new gifts are being prepared - a recycling fee when buying a bike

The great thing is that they take it from the consumer, you might think it was produced at the time of purchase. For me, the fact of the collection indicates the need for a planned economy and the provision of resources for recycling / restoration. For example, in the USSR, they were obliged to plant a forest when cutting, now Canadian forest management is taken as a basis, where the forest is equated with minerals, i.e. row until you rake, then change the place.

[Svetlana]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

The paradox of a change in consciousness, yes, I voted for Putin, yes I believed him that these would be years of breakthrough and victories, but the first doubt crept in when he left the incompetent government of Medvedev in full force (the question is who stopped them for 18 years ???) and now when anti-people’s laws are being adopted with a rate of fire as from the “hail” multiple launch rocket system, I am on the side of the people, I will be with him.

And my first doubt arose when Yeltsin brought him by the handle. The second - after Kursk, the third - after Nord-Ost. And then - one sheer disappointment, and the further, the more. The factories that did not open under Yeltsin, but those that were being closed, more and more privatization, further systematic killing of education, medicine, science - all this only speaks of the continuation of the Yeltsin era only at a slower pace and to high-sounding speeches.

[Awaz]

Duck tell all the same residents of Moscow and St. Petersburg - how many people really came out? And then in the next topic I was quickly banned for this question. In my town, with a population of 80-100 thousand, about 1000 people came to protest. And if in Moscow and St. Petersburg it came as much as the official propaganda from the TV says, well then I don’t know ..

[_Sergei_]

In our city of 140 thousand. 40 people gathered, and even then representatives of the parties.

[Awaz]

Well, duck - and what do we want? No one cares deeply about all this. Even before the rallies began, everyone complained that they were afraid to go there, that they would be beaten there and put in cells. And in social networks all the heroes.
I kept thinking that at some point, when people would pay for everything themselves, they would begin to demand from those who give money, results. But along the way - people do not learn anything and infantilism rolls over.
A year ago I came across errors from the tax and as a result of analyzing the situation I found a decent number of people who were also affected by the tax and invited them to unite and punish this office in full, but no one agreed at all. All stupidly paid what they showed and calmed down. And then when at the local forum I talked about my victory and that the tax not only canceled all claims and pennies, but also paid taxes for me a year in advance, a couple of people still turned to me with help in this thread, but when I told the algorithm of actions, as I understand it, they spat on all this ..

[Svetlana]

Quote: AwaZ

And then when at the local forum I talked about my victory and that the tax not only canceled all claims and pennies, but also paid taxes for me a year in advance

Non-fables do not need to be told. Are you an accountant or lawyer?

[Awaz]

neither a lawyer nor an accountant. I just don’t like being deceived. For my life, I "argued" with the tax (more than once) with the housing and communal services with gayts and just with the cops and everywhere, with proper preparation, I won, or we agreed on a peace.
I’ll tell you a little secret: the basis for paying tax is a notice received from the tax. If you do not receive, you can not pay. There is not a single item in the tax code that would force you to search for receipts yourself. Moreover, all this worked until the age of 18 in Ur. They could not even count the penalties, nor the fines and had no right to charge taxes for the last three years if you did not receive notices from them. Could only through the court calculate the last tax period.
Yes, for this I had to do a little self-education, but it's worth it.
I lost only once in my life in a dispute with government agencies, and only because I got in touch with "professional" lawyers.

[Svetlana]

Quote: AwaZ

neither a lawyer nor an accountant.

It can be seen. You carry such a blizzard. I do not need to open such "secrets". It makes me laugh from them.

[Fungus]

Few people came out. Everyone has a summer house, outdoor recreation, with family, or at home. Why would they push around at this rally unnecessary to anyone?

[reservist]

Quote: AwaZ

And if in Moscow and St. Petersburg it came as much as the official propaganda from the TV says, well then I don’t know ..

see for yourself
this is shot on the 28th

it's the 29th

maybe the 29th and there were about 5 thousand, but the 28th obviously came more (although 100 thousand is unlikely to pull)

[Awaz]

Ok, I see. First, the density is visible, then it weakens. It is difficult to estimate the number of people, but it is unlikely that even ten thousand will be typed. But really if 100 thousand came out - one could at least somehow hope, but what for, all of this is needed by no one. Everyone, like Ukrainians, sit at home and wait for someone to do everything for them, and then they will remove the cream ...
Nobody wants to fight for their money ...

[reservist]

Quote: AwaZ

Everyone, like Ukrainians, sit at home and wait for someone to do everything for them, and then they will remove the cream ...

well, so one people ... though divided / poisoned ...

[Flatter]

Rallies are a dumping of social pressure, a process natural and controlled by the authorities. They will not change anything.

[Ivan Ivanov]

They will change if it doesn’t come out like now 1.5 people

[Flatter]

The rallies were under the slogan of the abolition of pension reform. This means that the rest of the regime is satisfied with the policy of the authorities. The authorities can put a "+" on themselves. They will correct, edit, and agree
I am.

[Awaz]

you probably were not at the rally. It is clear that people were called to the rally under the pretext of canceling the pension reform, but in fact, from what I heard, it was a call to replace the authorities. In the same place, everything was mainly organized by the Communists and they (at least in words) called for a change of government and the recall of all deputies who voted for this pension reform. The Communists, of course, are cowards and they really will not dare to do something, but maybe if all the people massively begin to at least come to hang out at such meetings, they will be able to repel something.

[Vadim237]

Derive - you don’t have anything to do.

[Vard]

Or maybe all this is done on purpose ... To wake up our swamp ... To raise the social activity of the masses, so to speak ... You look at what laws we have ... As in a kindergarten ... This is not ... Don’t go there ... our people are infantile ...

[Yarik]

“Black Colonels” .... well, let there be “Lilac Colonels” or “Beige Generals” there. Not the point. The main thing is to demolish this ... my nah.

[Lexeus]

Ukraine has already been dominated - some thieves have replaced others .... to hell ...

[parusnik]

That's the trouble, no matter where you spit, the wedge is everywhere ... Some flies haven’t drunk blood yet, and when they get drunk it’s not clear, while others fly around to sit in their place ..

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Lexey

Ukraine has already been dominated - some thieves have replaced others .... to hell ...

Well done! Make it your credo. Tolerate, otherwise it will suddenly be worse. And God forbid, someone from your family will be humiliated, beaten, robbed, raped. In accordance with your creed, be silent and endure, otherwise it will become worse. And do this everywhere in life!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Leshy1975

Leshy1975

Listen, and who are you to distribute teachings to people here (in boorish form)?
1975 is the year of birth, or what? If yes - so you are still green, maybe a little sting?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Leshy1975

Leshy1975

Listen, and who are you to distribute teachings to people here (in boorish form)?
1975 is the year of birth, or what? If yes - so you are still green, maybe a little sting?

you press your, troll

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Leshy1975

you press your, troll

Well, who is the troll here - this is a debatable question ... but to be rude is not good, especially for the older ones.
And with the year of birth, I guessed the campaign

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Leshy1975

you press your, troll

Well, who is the troll here - this is a debatable question ... but to be rude is not good, especially for the older ones.
And with the year of birth, I guessed the campaign

Jack, sincerely glad for you, but guessed the year of birth, were there really any options what this means. And I, all zaputintsy, warned you for a long time. Will for the GDP, without regard to logic and conscience, "drown" the brain will be curtailed and you will not be able to think. Throw until the process has become irreversible.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Leshy1975

And I you, all Zaputinians

Did you write me in favor? Hello ...
I am not for I am against. Against gevolutions, all the colors of the rainbow, and the man who call for them. Because I perfectly imagine what such a revolution (and, God forbid, successful) will inevitably end.
In short, it will not end in anything good.
And to fight with a red-haired redhead - yes, fight for your health ... only without kipesh.
That's all

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Leshy1975

And I you, all Zaputinians

Did you write me in favor? Hello ...
I am not for I am against. Against gevolutions, all the colors of the rainbow, and the man who call for them. Because I perfectly imagine what such a revolution (and, God forbid, successful) will inevitably end.
In short, it will not end in anything good.
And to fight with a red-haired redhead - yes, fight for your health ... only without kipesh.
That's all

Well, why lie then. Yes, all your comments (over the past half year, I have not read before) against those who are dissatisfied with the authorities. Even those who simply, without any hint of any revolution, disagree with the current government. And they themselves are never against the authorities. And if you are so against revolutions, then you must understand that the power itself leads to a tense mood in society and this is fraught with a minimum of instability. And then at least once they asked simply the question why she needed it and whether they understood what they were doing. But this is not there either. So what you Jack is FOR, precisely for the current government. (and for this, the method on any topic is the same everywhere, take the opponent to procedural subtleties and "drown" there, even forgetting about the essence of the dispute). Indeed, that’s all.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Leshy1975

Well, why lie

We follow the broom more closely, we hold ...

Quote: Leshy1975

Yes, all your comments ... against those who are dissatisfied with the authorities

Against the d'Ebils, calling for "power" - definitely.
Against those with tongues (and brains) braided from time to time.
Do not generalize, you do it badly.

Quote: Leshy1975

And they themselves are never against the authorities

Should I scream everywhere that power is byaka? Who should? And why should I do this when there are such and such - almost every second?

Quote: Leshy1975

And then at least once they asked simply the question why she needs it and whether they understand what they are doing

It seems to me that I even know the answer to this question. But you definitely won’t like this answer.

Quote: Leshy1975

the method on any topic is the same everywhere, take the opponent to procedural subtleties and "drown" there, even forgetting about the essence of the dispute

The sun, there is a saying: "the devil is in the details." So - this is a very correct saying.
Well, the fact that local contestants, as a rule, do not own the subject of the dispute is their sadness. Not mine

Quote: Leshy1975

Indeed, that’s all.

Exactly

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Leshy1975

Well, why lie

We follow the broom more closely, we hold ...

Quote: Leshy1975

Yes, all your comments ... against those who are dissatisfied with the authorities

Against the d'Ebils, calling for "power" - definitely.
Against those with tongues (and brains) braided from time to time.
Do not generalize, you do it badly.

Quote: Leshy1975

And they themselves are never against the authorities

Should I scream everywhere that power is byaka? Who should? And why should I do this when there are such and such - almost every second?

Quote: Leshy1975

And then at least once they asked simply the question why she needs it and whether they understand what they are doing

It seems to me that I even know the answer to this question. But you definitely won’t like this answer.

Quote: Leshy1975

the method on any topic is the same everywhere, take the opponent to procedural subtleties and "drown" there, even forgetting about the essence of the dispute

The sun, there is a saying: "the devil is in the details." So - this is a very correct saying.
Well, the fact that local contestants, as a rule, do not own the subject of the dispute is their sadness. Not mine

Quote: Leshy1975

Indeed, that’s all.

Exactly

Watch your broom (d'Ebilov), this is first.
Secondly: "Against the d'Ebils calling for" power actions "- definitely.
Against those with tongues (and brains) braided from time to time.
Do not generalize, you do it badly. "
And what seemed to you bad in my generalization, if you yourself agreed in this in the first two sentences? Or do you disagree with the fact that you agree?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Leshy1975

And what seemed to you bad in my generalization, if you yourself agreed in this in the first two sentences?

You have a bad math, apparently.
Of the two particular allegations (“against supporters of force” and “sometimes against tongue-tied”), there is no much more general “for the actions of the current government”.
Mathematically, this is exactly so.

Quote: Leshy1975

Or do you disagree with the fact that you agree?

Troll me, dear, better not even try. You do not shine.
By the way, it’s funny that the most interesting of what I said:

Quote: Golovan Jack

It seems to me that I even know the answer to this question. But you definitely won’t like this answer.

for some reason you were not interested.
Well, no - and do not. It’s easier for our people, I’m in a lulu in half an hour (tomorrow is Monday, I remind you), and I don’t have enough time to chew you the essence of this proposal.
Then adieu ... for today

[_Sergei_]

Goblin1975 Today, 21:16 ↑ New
Well done! Make it your credo. Tolerate, otherwise it will suddenly be worse.

Like you rode on the Maidan. And now Russia is blamed for everything. Who will you blame?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: _Sergey_

Goblin1975 Today, 21:16 ↑ New
Well done! Make it your credo. Tolerate, otherwise it will suddenly be worse.

Like you rode on the Maidan. And now Russia is blamed for everything. Who will you blame?

Like I jumped? Yes, I was not in the trenches of Donbas, but the DPR militia supported money. At the call of the heart. Who will I blame? Myself and I will. If I continue to watch how the GDP with friends robbed and continues to rob the country. And people like you support him in this and, together with him, push the country to trouble. But that’s why I don’t sit, while I’m just agitating. And yes, if this happens, now I will go out. For you on the Maidan, for me on the square. Decembrists, for example, also write down in the Maidan? Write down, I’m not ashamed of such a society. And for the greater, you have Zaputinians, neither memory nor conscience at the same time. All your arguments and examples come down only to Maidan and Navalny. Because you, with your "leader" of GDP, are ordinary temporary workers in the country. With a short memory of temporary workers and logic, snatching now and more, and what happened before and what will happen after, you are no longer interested. From here, from such temporary logic and memory, and all the arguments, only what is now, and now only the Maidan. Which, incidentally, is also the merit of the "wise" leadership of GDP. Instead of the belt of allies on the borders, he achieved (well, or profuka) the belt of hostile states. So his fault is undoubtedly there. Everyone here is already adults. And everyone chooses for himself a suitable society and examples for promises and leaders. In my conscience. And I can say: I have the honor. Tell you like this before the people: GDP with its close people and those who are now campaigning for it.

[White and fluffy]

To be continued ... Be a worthy terpun, tolerast, waiting, behave like a wise gudgeon

[Chicha squad]

Oh, how many people came to pour on the fan. Joke.

[HMR333]

who would stink a rotten apple!

[tank64rus]

Today, we raised the price of fares by 5 rubles at once; there were 18, it became 23 rubles. Something in the photo of people is a bit much for 5 thousand people.

[16112014nk]

That's just not a radio or a zombie about rallies not a word. But in spite of the summer season and the heat, thousands of people protest against cannibalistic reform. But the bulk of the people will not see this, and the government uses it in its anti-people interests.

[Signaller]

Well gone and what ?? In total, from 6.5 to 12 tons of people. This is so the internecine of the Communist Party and the parties that joined it .. Comrades swim finely. The people are silent silently.

[Vadim237]

The Communist Party of the Russian Federation as a party, already a corpse, floating along the river.

[HMR333]

you would whine in Ukraine the exact same pension reform is accurate and that there is a general salary of gg prices, guards so you can also find work and do what they say as a handyman or just walk all the communal apartments above pensions so you would complain!

[dgoncovch]

they got it already with their reforms. Since the 90s everyone is reforming and there’s no sense. Only the bourgeoisie are getting richer

[mavrus]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees. You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change.

So in China and sometimes I shoot oligarchs ...

[_Sergei_]

Which oligarchs were shot in China? They pray with them along with Mao.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: _Sergey_

Which oligarchs were shot in China?

Liu Han at least. And what should they pray if property is confiscated in China?

[_Sergei_]

The property is confiscated from those who are shot and those who did not fall into the nomenclature and are not close to Xi Jinping.

[Altona]

Quote: Gennadich

what’s the point of just rallies? we don’t have a west-ride .. yes and then they went on the weekend and did not boycott the work of airports and transport hubs ... they would go out on weekdays and paralyze the work of transport and energy, for example, the authorities would pay attention. .and so did not notice

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Doesn't roll? Do you know that the authorities are afraid of media coverage of these meetings? And there are cameras and foreign media, which the authorities are even more afraid of. And when the cameras grab political slogans "Down with the government," then in the West they will begin to talk about the illegitimacy of the current government. So it is not necessary for philistine talkers to hush up the genocide of the people. People, simple hard workers came out yesterday and said a word. These are not philistine comments here to write.

[Gennadich]

Well, in 2011, too, it was-very much afraid of the power? then the same

[Altona]

Quote: 16112014nk

That's just not a radio or a zombie about rallies not a word. But in spite of the summer season and the heat, thousands of people protest against cannibalistic reform. But the bulk of the people will not see this, and the government uses it in its anti-people interests.

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Sees the people. Like videos on Youtube, there are 40-50 thousand views each.

[Vadim237]

Music videos have millions of views.

[Altona]

Quote: HMR333

you would whine in Ukraine the exact same pension reform is accurate and that there is a general salary of gg prices, guards so you can also find work and do what they say as a handyman or just walk all the communal apartments above pensions so you would complain!

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Our people live in Ukraine, and we all need to unite Russia anew. Drive Zionist rulers from Russia.

[Altona]

Quote: Flatter

Rallies are a dumping of social pressure, a process natural and controlled by the authorities. They will not change anything.

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Ha, why are they silent in the media? Even the Western media did not really write, because this is a leftist protest, also yesterday, Radio Liberty quipped, "the sucker’s office wants to overthrow Putin." Then I watch how the bourgeoisie immediately at the same time became, as soon as the banner with a sickle and a hammer began to rise.

[Flatter]

And why should they inflate the wave? They will be silent, but belittle.

[Altona]

Quote: tank64rus

Today, we raised the price of fares by 5 rubles at once; there were 18, it became 23 rubles. Something in the photo of people is a bit much for 5 thousand people.

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Some rallies were really small, the people did not know where they were held. But Moscow has done a fine job, and will come even more, the youth was, this is also a plus. Krasnoyarsk, Perm, Penza, Yaroslavl, Kazan, Nizhny, Yekaterinburg. The people are rising, do not want to be indifferent. The power is cowardly, she knows that she is thieving and criminal.

[dgoncovch]

a flame will spark from a spark

[Black sniper]

And then the fire, but the firemen are always ready ...

[Vadim237]

It will rain and flood this spark - do not worry about the flame.

[Altona]

Quote: AwaZ

And if in Moscow and St. Petersburg it came as much as the official propaganda from the TV says, well then I don’t know ..

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There were two waves, at about one o'clock in the afternoon and at 18 o’clock, when the rally itself was already. In reality, there were about 60-80 thousand people, the authorities underestimated 10 times, saying that it was 6,5 thousand.
PS Now there is a rally of libertarians, this is exactly a shnyaga.

[Mstivoy]

Kiselyov TV and not show, show a rally in support of such bills. And IN UKRAINE POROSHENKO CHOCOLATE KING! And IN SYRIA, WE WON ALL! According to Kiselyov, the marginalists, trolls and other US agents are opposed to the bill on pension reform ... If democracy exists, it is only socialist!

[mavrus]

Quote: solzh

There are great features called copy and paste

Then why at the same time did not copy and paste "GOST 32261-2013 Butter. Technical conditions".
It would be generally "short - for forty minutes" and very much in the subject ...

[Black sniper]

Quote: Gennadich

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs, because you’ll dismiss it, a chain reaction will begin and they will begin to smash the administrations .. and we are afraid of losing their work-a vicious circle .. the country slaves, the land of the masters ... although they still haven’t pressed it yet .. The Russian people, although they can be squeezed for a long time, still there is a limit

Trade unions work there, and we have black lists! !!

[Altona]

Here is a rally of libertarians and bulkers. It’s absolutely bespontovy to protest just like that. Such a "protest" only break the protest. Attacks against communists and leftists, unrealistic slogans. It looks like a clownery. The theses go, then some hysterical cries.

[lopvlad]

what's the point just rallies

just rallies are the worst thing for any government (not to disperse because there is no violence there to ban). A protest is such a thing that should mature and for now it will be in its infancy, but it will mature quite soon and become such a monster that the authorities will spoil themselves in their offices.
Russia is on the verge of turmoil, and deliverance will come from the regions as in 1612, and all because in the regions the majority do not even live to be 60, not to mention 65 years.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: lopvlad

what's the point just rallies

just rallies are the worst thing for any government (not to disperse because there is no violence there to ban). A protest is such a thing that should mature and for now it will be in its infancy, but it will mature quite soon and become such a monster that the authorities will spoil themselves in their offices.
Russia is on the verge of turmoil, and deliverance will come from the regions as in 1612, and all because in the regions the majority do not even live to be 60, not to mention 65 years.

I support. The boiler slowly but surely boils. And the fact that our authorities will still throw “wood”, I have no doubt a little. Throw it still, boil faster. Well, by all means. Authorities for irrepressible greed, and to us for myopia regarding this authority.

[Vadim237]

Boil and also cool off safely.

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Vadim237

Boil and also cool off safely.

Nicholas II probably also thought in the same way in 1917, otherwise he would have sat in Petrograd. And also some comrades thought appropriately in 1991, and when they realized it, it was too late. And so of course, history does not teach anything. Prodazha, not you first, not you last.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Leshy1975

And also some comrades thought appropriately in 1991, and when they realized it, it was too late. And so of course, history does not teach anything. Sell, not you first, not you last

That is - do you predict the same revolution?

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Quote: Leshy1975

And also some comrades thought appropriately in 1991, and when they realized it, it was too late. And so of course, history does not teach anything. Sell, not you first, not you last

That is - do you predict the same revolution?

And what exactly confuses? I note the development of the situation in the country and the development of moods in society. For this, I give arguments, including historical. Hit where you want to? So it’s in vain, I understand that the site has “decent” and deeply, even very deeply (some are not even disinterestedly) loyal citizens. Therefore, you will not wait for any public calls.

[Vadim237]

It’s passed three times already - there’ll be no more.

[kefan]

Rallies on the fact of the pension reform are, of course, good, but it looks like the decision was made long ago by TAM, but why else should the DAM government be surprised.

[Samara_63]

Bad idea ... whoever dares to carry out this reform is in danger of great ...

[ludrosia]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees. You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change.

Well, let our deputies not receive pensions and salaries. Let them set an example for the people, tighten their belts and work for a salary of 15 rubles. They will show you by your own example. Before poking at the Chinese, you should contact your deputies and tell them to tighten their belts and work for such salaries and with such conditions as workers have for 000 rubles and for such pensions. And not for deputy 15. What do you think people are a fool?
Everything will change when the people riot.

[_Sergei_]

In Belarus, how many years are they retiring? You look at yourself first, then teach others.

[Mstivoy]

Only degenerates can argue that there are no pensions in China, only degenerates give other countries an example, in favor of raising the retirement age, only degenerates can refer to the ratio of workers and pensioners when trying to adopt such "reforms." The Russian Federation is the heir to the USSR, where is the pension money of the USSR? Where is the money from previous reforms? Where is Mintz wanted through Interpol in connection with the theft of pension savings? Where is the introduction of the PROGRESSIVE TAX SCALE for the super rich?

[Gennadich]

right now they’ll say “start with yourself” and other Fedorov’s crap

[Mstivoy]

Deputies from the Kaliningrad region and Primorye from the United Russia party introduced a bill on offshore in Russia, namely, the conversation is about two islands where income will not be taxed ...

[rruvim]

We already had a large formal offshore - Ingushetia. Are there many production, innovation and other areas?

[Mstivoy]

You do not understand the irony, the bills follow one after another, the bill went first
on increasing VAT, the second was on pension reform (in fact, the legitimization of theft of pension savings), and after the bill on offshore in the territory of the Russian Federation (in fact, the territory where the legislation of the Russian Federation does not work and, as a result, legal tax evasion)

[Mentat]

Quote: Gennadich

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs, because you’ll dismiss it, a chain reaction will begin and they will begin to smash the administrations .. and we are afraid of losing their work-a vicious circle .. the country slaves, the land of the masters ... although they still haven’t pressed it yet .. The Russian people, although they can be squeezed for a long time, still there is a limit

And what do you have to do with the Russian people? Go out of your gracious United States to smash some administration. You’ll quickly get a bullet in your head, and you will no longer write about the land of slaves and gentlemen and the wonderful West.

[Gennadich]

hey lahti 2 - this bot is broken - carry the next one

[Mentat]

Now all evil spirits from all angles will climb on this pain point parasitize.

[Mstivoy]

The main evil has entrenched themselves in ministerial seats and in the parliament and stamps murderous laws, whether it be pension reform or the VAT law or the law on offshore.

[Gennadich]

one evil spirits here writes comments in support of thieves (you)

[Sergey ippon]

and who created this pain point? and constantly creates such points on the body of the people?
NATO villains?
damn omega?
filthy bandera from the outskirts?
did not guess?
the government of the Russian Federation by including the regime-genocide of the population.
St. Petersburg organized crime group is thinking more and more about our people, and the more they come up with something, the more difficult it is for an ordinary person to live.

[Sergey ippon]

he is there the most important

[wooja]

the Communists completely handed over something ...., banks, mail bridges ... but very scary ...

[Vadim237]

The Communists in 1991 surrendered the whole country, or rather threw it.

[ludrosia]

Quote: Mentat

Quote: Gennadich

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs, because you’ll dismiss it, a chain reaction will begin and they will begin to smash the administrations .. and we are afraid of losing their work-a vicious circle .. the country slaves, the land of the masters ... although they still haven’t pressed it yet .. The Russian people, although they can be squeezed for a long time, still there is a limit

And what do you have to do with the Russian people? Go out of your gracious United States to smash some administration. You’ll quickly get a bullet in your head, and you will no longer write about the land of slaves and gentlemen and the wonderful West.

In the United States, they would have sent such anti-people lawmakers with property confiscation long ago.

[Gennadich]

I will say more, they would not even have penetrated this system

[ludrosia]

Quote: Greg Miller

It is necessary with a petition to the "good king" to bow to go ....

Let them explain, for example, to that grandfather, who is 60 years old, and he, like a snail with a cane moves around, that he needs to work more, because they want to raise his retirement age. To the loader who unloads the cars, the welder who swallows smoke and fluxes, the peasant from which seven sweats on a collective farm get out, that granny who barely keeps her soul in a body, almost in the next world, you tell them how to work with them ??? People - pensioners, and children of pensioners, and those who go to kindergartens, nurseries, schools, and those who are full of strength and work now - ALL people are against raising the retirement age. Because people understand that people are at that age they become old, sick, decrepit, weak. They must have a well-deserved retirement. In the USSR they have a retirement age (men 60 years old retirement, women 55 years old, military and law enforcement agencies 45 years old retirement + pension the harmfulness of all the USSR) and they — made us all “happy” —they all raised the retirement age. Even pensioners — who ALREADY retired according to the USSR’s retirement age — are against raising the retirement age because they have children, grandchildren and such a slave share - they don’t want their children and grandchildren to die at work.
It is not necessary to raise the retirement age, it is necessary to leave the retirement age in place: USSR (the men retired at 60 years old, the women at 55 years old, the military and law enforcement agencies at the age of 45 retired + the observance of the harmfulness pension of all the USSR). And those who want to, voluntarily, of their own will, voluntarily, of their own will, and if they can work to achieve the USSR retirement age (men-60 years old retirement, women -55 years old, military and law enforcement agencies- at 45 years of age for retirement + observance of the pension for the harmfulness of all the USSR) -Let it work, for a salary, without a pension, no one is against it. But force people to force all people to be a riot.
And in order for someone to work, it is not necessary to raise the retirement age, but to create conditions - so that people give birth to children, and when they grow up, work. Generational change. And for people to create families and give birth, it is necessary to create conditions for this - provide families housing, so that there was a place for children and parents to live, give families with children apartments for free. And a good salary for dad and mom so that dad and mom can raise, care, children.
After all, raising the retirement age is against the people, it is forced labor, slavery.
And this is understood by the Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russia the Russian Orthodox Christian. The people do not want the retirement age in Russia to be Russian Orthodox Christian. The people want the retirement age left in place, as now: men at 60 years of retirement, women at 55 retirement years, military and law enforcement agencies — at 45 — AND NOT TO INCREASE PENSION AGE!
Explain to the people, how people will work under old age, when there are no forces and health and old ??? How does that grandfather, for example, work as a loader after 60 years ???? Or grandmother, who is barely walking at 55?
It’s necessary not to raise the retirement age, but to leave it like that. And those who want to work and can, of their own free will. Let them work voluntarily, at will, voluntarily, without coercion. For a salary without a pension. And force everyone not necessary. People are not slaves. In general, they’ve gotten so that people-at work, die right away, maybe, and before they reach retirement ????
These were raised by the retirement age — Alexei Kudrin and Dima Medvedev — to give them shovels in their hands — and send them to unload the wagons with shovels with rubble and clay. Or they would send them to the logging company. With confiscation of property and for such a salary, workers get it. And with all such conditions -like the workers.
And then we’ll see how they quickly remember about retirement and want to retire. And so, of course, they sit in leather chairs, wipe their pants, poke in the nose, eat, drink, heifers love, so they will live up to 120 years .
Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russia, the Russian Orthodox Christian — it is necessary to collect signatures — that they are against raising the retirement age — and bring Putin to the rally and tell and explain to Putin — that the retirement age does not need to be raised. And shoot this on video and put it on the Internet. A.

[Mentat]

Quote: ludrossia

Quote: Mentat

Quote: Gennadich

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs, because you’ll dismiss it, a chain reaction will begin and they will begin to smash the administrations .. and we are afraid of losing their work-a vicious circle .. the country slaves, the land of the masters ... although they still haven’t pressed it yet .. The Russian people, although they can be squeezed for a long time, still there is a limit

And what do you have to do with the Russian people? Go out of your gracious United States to smash some administration. You’ll quickly get a bullet in your head, and you will no longer write about the land of slaves and gentlemen and the wonderful West.

In the United States, they would have sent such anti-people lawmakers with property confiscation long ago.

In the USA, people went hungry and walked with the signs “I work for food”, but at that time they burned food, buried it and dumped it into the sea. So that profits do not decrease.

[Sergey ippon]

will it be different now?

[Placebo]

Rallies showed the government that all the people are against and, if the law is passed, all the responsibility lies with the servants and the galleysmen ... It’s hard to say what will become the tipping point ... but the Russian revolt is terrible and the foreign countries will not save ...

[ludrosia]

Quote: Mentat

Quote: ludrossia

Quote: Mentat

Quote: Gennadich

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs, because you’ll dismiss it, a chain reaction will begin and they will begin to smash the administrations .. and we are afraid of losing their work-a vicious circle .. the country slaves, the land of the masters ... although they still haven’t pressed it yet .. The Russian people, although they can be squeezed for a long time, still there is a limit

And what do you have to do with the Russian people? Go out of your gracious United States to smash some administration. You’ll quickly get a bullet in your head, and you will no longer write about the land of slaves and gentlemen and the wonderful West.

In the United States, they would have sent such anti-people lawmakers with property confiscation long ago.

In the USA, people went hungry and walked with the signs “I work for food”, but at that time they burned food, buried it and dumped it into the sea. So that profits do not decrease.

Now in the United States, for such laws, the power of such lawmakers will be confined with confiscation of property. For forced labor for the benefit of the United States and Americans. For under the laws of the United States, they are enemies of the Americans and the United States.
In the United States, the law and the icon of power is an elite, a symbol of protection, justice, peace. They are given by the people and all the powers and power to protect the country and the people. That is why they even have small children from the cradle, love these professions and the people love and respect them. These are the honorable and respected by the American people positions, professions and elites. Therefore, in the United States, little children play in the police, not in terrorists. Therefore, when the police pass by, even young children of three, they look at them with admiration and envy, their uniforms, badges, and their cars. Therefore, Americans - US citizens - always cooperate with them and help them.

[Gennadich]

do not pay attention to the troll propagandist from Lakhta 2

[ludrosia]

Quote: Mentat

Quote: ludrossia

Quote: Mentat

Quote: Gennadich

that’s what they’re using .... your cowardice ... in the West for some reason they’re not afraid of losing their jobs, because you’ll dismiss it, a chain reaction will begin and they will begin to smash the administrations .. and we are afraid of losing their work-a vicious circle .. the country slaves, the land of the masters ... although they still haven’t pressed it yet .. The Russian people, although they can be squeezed for a long time, still there is a limit

And what do you have to do with the Russian people? Go out of your gracious United States to smash some administration. You’ll quickly get a bullet in your head, and you will no longer write about the land of slaves and gentlemen and the wonderful West.

In the United States, they would have sent such anti-people lawmakers with property confiscation long ago.

In the USA, people went hungry and walked with the signs “I work for food”, but at that time they burned food, buried it and dumped it into the sea. So that profits do not decrease.

It is necessary to equal, not the bad, but the good. Got it, right? Let’s remember about slavery and serfdom. People’s riots and rebellions began when power oppressed their people. Anywhere on earth. Power and all powers were given by the people and God, so that they govern well, and do not arrange the genocide of the people and the country fell.
And if you forget the story, then it will happen again. For no man wants to be a slave and die. People, all the more.

[tchack]

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees. You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change.

It’s good to drive, all civil servants in China receive a pension, and in total more than 300 million pensioners in China.

[Sergey ippon]

he also wrote word for word on the YP resource.
works on a training manual immediately on a dozen sites

[ludrosia]

Quote: tchack

Quote: Sergey39

The Chinese generally do not receive pensions and do not buzz. To become the first economy in the world, you have to tighten your belts to work like bees. You can go to rallies, write comments for complacency, but nothing will change.

It’s good to drive, all civil servants in China receive a pension, and in total more than 300 million pensioners in China.

Civil servants receive a pension in China. And ordinary workers? -No.

[ludrosia]

Quote: Logall

So in Belarus, too, there seems to be no corruption ... So why aren't you the second or third world economy?
I respect the people of Belarus, but we Russians will figure it out on this issue!

How is it that there is no corruption in Belarus? Man, before writing anything about my Belarus, you should at least get a little acquainted with the situation in Belarus.
The people would say to Lukashenka that he remove:
1) Old Man will not increase his retirement age — Lukashenko — has raised his people. So that Lukashenko does not increase, but returns the USSR retirement age (men retire at 60 years old, women retire at 55, military and law enforcement agencies 45 years to retire, keep pensions for harmfulness and danger.) And he who wants to, wants to, voluntarily, at will, wants and can, please, let him work. For a salary without a pension. Nobody is against it. But not you need to force all people as slaves to raise their retirement age. Go explain to grandfather at 60 — who barely stands on his feet — how to work as a loader, or at a sawmill or that grandmother at 5 — who has barely a soul in his body .Uncle Lukashenko, go take a shovel, and work a year as a loader, unload the wagons with shovel: clay, gravel, loose, either on a logging or on a collective farm. For the money that workers receive and with the conditions that people have. Let's see Lukashenko, how are you You’ll quickly remember your retirement. Why are you ruining your people?
2) Dad will not impose a tax on the unemployed for his people. When a person has no job to earn his living, he is also taxed on the fact that he is unemployed. pancake
r -> - logic where ???? !!! ?? A person is not to live for anything, but to him, "on you, my dear man is a tax on the unemployed!" And this man is not dead, because mom and dad are looking after him, children, wife, husband or all together. Therefore, the man did not throw his legs back and did not die. Putin did not introduce a tax on the unemployed. For especially non-believers, the Internet to help.Type in "rallies in Belarus against the unemployment tax 2017" in YouTube. Across the country, in all cities of Belarus.One sad thing is that people came out under white-red-white rags and pagons, and not under the green-red flags and the coat of arms of Belarus.
3) Old Man will not introduce a contract system to his people. Where a man is just a slave. The contract has ended, and the man has been thrown out to die under the fence.
4) Old Man will not make a big difference in salaries between workers and officials, deputies, directors - when a whole workshop of workers cannot receive as much as a factory director, deputy in a month. Of course, bosses must get more workers, their work is more complicated, harder, more responsible, more people are responsible. Well, let them have a salary of three, even four times the lowest paid worker who works a month. They want to get more, many, VERY MUCH, yes no question! -LET THEM SALARY DEPENDS ON SALARY OF THE MOST LOWEST PAYING WORKER WORKING THE MONTH. Let the workers raise their salary — and then their salary will be four times the salary of the lowest paid worker working a month. They are not of service. when Lukashenko, the opposite is true, they have a servant and they are slave owners. What do you think people are dumb, blind and deaf, they don’t see where they live, in elite cottages with a piece of land and even have an elite apartment. Yes, two cars. How they shikuyu and fatten. And the people-teeth on the shelf dries.
5) For Old Man, a person can earn a good one-bedroom apartment or a good solid house with an area of ​​two rooms, a kitchen, a separate toilet and a bathroom, an entrance hall for five years. How much can you earn for a two-room apartment in Belarus, when people are now 14.07.2018. 500-get five hundred (3,6) rubles in Minsk? A loaf of bread costs a kilogram a ruble with something. A liter of kefir, milk 80% is a ruble. And vegetables, fruits, meat, fish ?? And get dressed, put on shoes ??? And should I buy medicines if I get sick? And soap and detergents? And for the rent to give one hundred and fifty rubles? And XNUMX% of people in Belarus DO NOT HAVE OWN HOUSING! -Where do people and their children live ???? Here, besides the rent, they also have to pay for renting a house.
Go-go shopping, take the prices-and then-go through the employment centers in Belarus and take what salaries and jobs people are offered. Even in the same Minsk. You can even make a video on this on the Internet.

[_Sergei_]

From January 1, 2017, the retirement age in Belarus increases annually by 6 months until men reach 63 years old and women 58 years old. Such a norm is contained in the decree of the President of the Republic of Belarus "On the improvement of pension provision".

[ludrosia]

Well, I wrote about this.

[Vadim237]

Soon, Lukashenko’s “heating pad” will break through - and the situation may spin in the Ukrainian scenario.