Once again about the awards. Fair accusations from Catherine the Great

As I understand it, the topic will not cool. Discredit of state awards continues, and this time Putin himself took the baton.

No, of course, there are Athletes and there are athletes. There is Larisa Latynina, Irina Rodnina, Vladislav Tretiak. And there are state awards for these athletes. And I am sure that not a single person in his right mind would dispute the Order of Latynina. Yes, nine-time Olympic champion, nine-time world champion, seven-time European champion Larisa Semyonovna Latynina.

And there is the Russian national football team ...

It was once accepted that for the victory, which glorified the country, people were presented with state awards. It was ok.

But it was in a normal country. Now the times are different. I would say almost Ukrainian. That is, if there is no peremoga / victory, it must be organized. From any zrady.

So, I fully agree with Catherine the "Great" Gamova that the past action in the Kremlin is Zrada. And let Gamova be perplexed, I will have indignation.

What kind of merit is? I'm still on the title of "Honored Master of Sports."

I just remind those who do not know, the title of Honored Master of Sports is given in Russia for 1-3-place at the Olympic Games and for 1-place at the World Championships. But not for the release of the final in 1 / 4!

According to the current regulations, the title is assigned to:

- champions and prize-winners of the Olympic, Paralympic and Deaflympic Games;
- world champions in the disciplines included in the program of the Olympic, Paralympic and Deaflympic Games, - in individual competitions, including relay races, groups, couples, etc., competitions in team games;
- World and European champions, winners of the World and European Cups, who also collected the required number of points in accordance with a special table;
- “as an exception” - “for an outstanding contribution to enhancing the prestige of the Russian Federation and Russian sports at the international level, while showing exceptional courage and skill”.

And then right golden rain poured. It is clear that "as an exception." We have here some exceptions in the country are crawling. Then, as an exception, the Hero of Russia will be hanged, then the order "For merits to ..." The main thing is that the article should be appropriate.

And, most importantly, for what? For the lost match and 8-e final place. Well, a decent exception, nothing to say.

I understand everyone who received the title of PJS deservedly. And on the basis of their merits expressed. Gamow, Musersky ... Well, sorry, I love volleyball. He played in his youth, and played well.

And I understand the athletes whose merits were simply discredited. Dmitry Musersky, who supported Ekaterina Gamova, the central blocker of the Russian national volleyball team, has the right to do so. Yes, he is ZMS. Olympic champion 2012 of the year, champion of Europe (2013), winner of the World Cup (2011), two-time winner of the World League (2011 and 2013 years), winner of the League of Nations 2018 of the year.

Yes, for the London Olympics he received the title of the PJS and the Order of Friendship. Deservedly? Try to argue.

And Gamow, who was the first to criticize the situation, is also not offended by the titles:

- two-time Olympic silver medalist (2000 and 2004);
- two-time world champion (2006 and 2010);
- two-time European champion (1999 and 2001);
- World Cup silver medalist (1999);
- Silver medalist of the World Champions Cup (2001).

Orders, however, Catherine was surrounded, but there are two medals of the Order "For services to ..."

And I translate immediately for non-lovers of large texts. Honored people reproach the sports authorities for the fact that other people were undeservedly awarded with a highly respected title in the sports environment.

Where football players had “exceptional courage and skill,” is a bit incomprehensible. With broken legs played? No, they always played like this before. Just this time, apparently, the fractures have successfully grown together.

In any case, a flight to the quarterfinals is no reason to equate this company with the winners of the Olympic Games or the winners of the World Cup.

But let the current champions and honored masters of sports discuss this.

In my opinion, the football players deserve the praise. Yes, jumped above the head. But this is absolutely no reason to humiliate the athletes, who from year to year were winning medals of various denominations to our country. Especially since the ball kickers have not produced anything.

But back to the state awards, which were originally discussed.

Just want to note that I perfectly understand the principle of the charter in another monastery. It’s not for me to change it, of course, but ...

Who we have today awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky?

“Grounds for awarding:

The Order of Alexander Nevsky is awarded to citizens of the Russian Federation, replacing civil service positions, for special personal services to the Fatherland in the state-building, many years of conscientious service and the high results achieved by them in the performance of official duties, in strengthening the international authority of Russia, the country's defense , science, education, culture, art, health protection and other merits, as well as citizens of the Russian Federation for high personal advances in various sectors of the economy, research, socio-cultural, educational and other socially useful activities.

Citizens of the Russian Federation may be awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky, as a rule, provided that they were previously awarded the Order of the Russian Federation, and persons serving in civil service positions must also have a total civil service experience of at least 20 years.

Outstanding foreign political and public figures, representatives of the business community of foreign countries can be awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky for their merits in developing multilateral cooperation with the Russian Federation and assisting in its socio-economic development. ”

To begin with, Mr. Cherchesov had no right to this order at all, as can be seen from the statute. He was not awarded with other orders of Russia, was not a civil servant of 20 years, did not show high personal achievements in "other socially useful activities."

Among other things, 2,5 million euros - sufficient payment for the lost quarter-finals. But let's not fumble in other people's pockets, we are talking about a state award.

The award was awarded contrary to the statute. It is clear that the monastery is not ours, and you can spit on the statute. It's just another "hochunchik" Mr. President.

By the way, modest. So it was possible to give the whole team and Heroes of Russia to give. After Kiriyenko - easy. But, apparently, for this, it would really be necessary to win the championship.

I wonder what the holders of the Order of Alexander Nevsky, who were awarded them for real services, would have said about this. Yes, if you look at the lists (there are two of them, published and hidden) of the recipients, there are also enough of everyone ... Potanin, Deripasok, Gref and Rogozins. But with these, everything is clear. Do not give up yours, reward yours.

And what about those who are real?

Rollan Martirosov - Chief Designer Su-34.

Valery Gergiev - artistic director and director of the Mariinsky State Academic Theater.

Alferov Zhores Ivanovich is a physicist, the only one among our living Nobel Prize laureates who lives in Russia.

Tereshkova Valentina Vladimirovna - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs.

And so on.

In general, unlike its predecessors, the current order of Alexander Nevsky is in fact a reward for loyalty and long service to government officials. The military among the awarded is, but their number is scanty.

But well, if this is an order for years of service, where is the coach? Yes, the Russian team can be called a state institution. Full And it represents the interests of Russia precisely in the international arena.

For comparison, I will cite as an example a person from volleyball.

Vladimir Romanovich Alekno, coach including the Russian volleyball team.

When Alekno in 2007, the Russian team became the silver winner of the World League, European Championship and World Cup. The Silver of the World Cup brought the Russian national team a ticket to the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, where the team won bronze medals. They did not renew the contract, and after a year Alekno left the post.

22 December 2010 was held the second coming of Alekno in the Russian men's team. In 2011, under his leadership, the national team for the first time in the Russian stories won two tournaments at once under the auspices of the FIVB - the World League and the World Cup, winning, together with the last victory, the right to participate in the London Olympics.

There, Russian volleyball players won Olympic gold medals for the first time after the Soviet team won the 1980 Games of the year.

Olympic "gold" and "bronze" as a result. In terms of awards - the Order of Honor for the "gold" of London.

An interesting alignment, right? For the Olympic "gold" - 14-th order in a row, for 8 place on the World Cup - the fifth.

Well, I can only congratulate Mr. Cherchesov (although he doesn’t care three times) on joining the “friends” cohort, and we sympathize. The state awards of Russia are getting cheaper, and soon, probably, they will repeat the dismal fate of the awards of Soot Umalatova. That is beautiful, but funny.

It's a shame. For orders, for those who were awarded them for the right and for services. It's a shame for that hysteria, which staged stupid fans ballping. It's a shame for all the cheapening image of the country.

Especially for the overly touchy fans of this game: pay attention, I did not say a word about Akinfeev and Ignashevich.

Comments

[Vard]

They always reward those who fell into the arm .. and a huge number of those who deserve to be lost in weightlessness and worry about it is senseless ... In fact, any award is a decoration ... I have such a type ... And you have less glitter. ..

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Some still manage to nullify their awards while sitting in the State Duma.

Tereshkova Valentina Vladimirovna - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs.

Tereshkova is 81 for a year, and she holds onto her chair like an octopus with tentacles and supports the bill on raising the retirement age. Let it fly into space once, prove that after 60 life is just beginning.

[Yaroslavl]

I support completely .... they say it is true that authority is earned for many years, and is lost in five minutes .... and VV it turned out .... the people in Yaroslavl are shocked by such "servants" of the people

[For example]

An interesting alignment, right? For the Olympic "gold" - 14-th order in a row, for 8 place on the World Cup - the fifth.

Some kind of Olympiad, horseradish knows where and your world championship! What do you compare?
This is sarcasm, suddenly not clearly expressed.
Eighth place is where in general? We got to insanity. Well conducted a show. Enough. Reward for participation and orders to give it a mockery of the victories of everyone else.
PORN !!!
ps and after all, no one can refuse - they will gobble up with shit. Sport remained somewhere in the USSR. Putin says sport is out of politics?

[For example]

In general, I understand the President.
How much dough to spend and everything to nothing? All for the sake of some foreigners? This is not right.
We defeated everyone! Eight more than one! This is our victory! And so the President awards and confers honorary titles !!! And now the awards to the winners shout about victory! Hooray!
ps And there were fireworks, women and barbecue? Otherwise, it’s not a celebration.

Well it had to be so managed? We had a really good championship. The holiday was. People rested from problems, from Solovyov and other telegol.
And then with his foppishness he lowered everything below the baseboard.
All is not enough for him.

[Tatar 174]

I’m making such a mistake, they will raise the pension issue despite all the popular protests, and then those who can live to this age will also be awarded with orders and medals and titles of all sorts? After all, it will be akin to a feat - to survive until retirement! It’s not for nothing that these awards took place, so that we get used to something, so I’m koumeka. And our football team - really well done! Only here the football lottery in the form of a penalty has failed. Sorry.

[yehat]

it can be awarded in different ways.
could throw money, and better from some fund of "joyful fans", and not from the budget for a very modest 8th place.
and how they did it is elementary unprofessionalism and an insult to those who deserve more and do better.
but I want to remind you of the other side - how much easier it is to become a world curling champion than to reach the 1/2 finals of the World Cup. This factor is also there.
and it is impossible to formally equate the achievements of all sports in stages.
obviously, a differentiated approach is needed.
But there are comparable things. For example, the skier who won prizes at the World Cup nifiga worked no less than the players, and I suspect that there is much more competition there and that for some reason he doesn’t have so many goodies.
In general, I support Gamow in essence. But one cannot blindly appeal to the formal description of the honored master, trying to use this as an argument. It is already outdated and incorrect.

[Olgovich]

Quote: For example

Some kind of Olympiad, horseradish knows where and your world championship! What do you compare?
This is sarcasm, suddenly not clearly expressed.

Evaluating on one scale achievements, for example, in curling (volleyball) and football, stupidity is utter.
CEO of LLC from three people costs much less than the 5th or even 100th Gazprom manager.
Who is watching (playing) Gamova volleyball? Units. Who is watching (playing) football? The whole world!
And the competition, respectively, is there in dozens of times higher.
And the achievement of the 5th place in the World Cup, respectively, costs many times more than the 1st place in volleyball.
It is obvious.

[Ugrumiy]

Well, why then in hockey? A lot of "Nevsky"? Or is this sport watched by units and the “red car” cannot be compared with the “miracle” football players?

[Stas157]

Why did you attack our poor president! I am sure that he was guided by the very best motives, Vladimir Vladimirovich really wanted, from the shoulder of his shoulder, to bestow on the tsaristly distinguished athletes, and at the same time to appear in the rays of glory ... Well, well, nothing is impossible for our sunshine! He is to anyone (whether he deserves it or not!), If he wants, even the Star of the Hero, even the order there, or the title of Honored, to pay money, even his last hours he can hand over ... It’s easier and more pleasant than all the people retirement pay.

[Stas157]

In other words, sublimation occurs, when a person cannot do a great thing, he subconsciously satisfied with less. That is, the more the Guarantor understands that he cannot raise the level of the whole nation to a decent level (pensions, average salaries, falling birth rates ...), the more and more generously he bestows on the units surrounding him! Compensation, as it were, immediately becomes easier for a while, he is so generous, no one pity anything!

[credo]

Quote: Stas157

Why did you attack our poor president! I am sure that he was guided by the very best motives, Vladimir Vladimirovich really wanted, from the shoulder of his shoulder, to bestow on the tsaristly distinguished athletes, and at the same time to appear in the rays of glory ... Well, well, nothing is impossible for our sunshine! He is to anyone (whether he deserves it or not!), If he wants, even the Star of the Hero, even the order there, or the title of Honored, to pay money, even his last hours he can hand over ... It’s easier and more pleasant than all the people retirement pay.

Before ironicizing over the President, he can really read paragraph 11 of Order No. 25.10.2017 of the Ministry of Sports of Russia dated 919, “On Approving the Regulation on Awarding Honorary Sports Ranks,” the one that the author of the article briefly stated:

Quote: Stas157

“As an exception” - “for his outstanding contribution to enhancing the authority of the Russian Federation and Russian sports at the international level, with exceptional courage and skill shown.

That is, if you approach formally, the President did not go beyond the law and the titles most likely were awarded to football players as an exception, given the fact that the national team has not shown decent results in the recent history of the country, with the exception of 2008, and clearly increased its authority Russian football both in the country and in the international arena. Look at least at the FIFA rating.
So in this regard I am on the side of our President. But I can’t agree with the fees of our players in some major league clubs and consider them undeserved. However, this also applies to players from other countries, where football has long been turned into a business and not an excellent and spectacular team game.
In general, the topic of awards and titles, if we ignore the past championship, is quite unfair and painful, since this is a very subjective issue. Take, for example, the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, when tens of thousands of Red Army fighters and civilian volunteers died in the first days and months of the war in unequal battles with an overwhelming number of opponents, without being awarded any titles or awards.

[Stirbjorn]

However, this also applies to players from other countries, where football has long been turned into a business and not an excellent and spectacular team game.

There all clubs are private, and we have the majority, at the expense of the budget

[credo]

Quote: Stirbjorn

However, this also applies to players from other countries, where football has long been turned into a business and not an excellent and spectacular team game.

There all clubs are private, and we have the majority, at the expense of the budget

And what does that change?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: credo

And what does that change?

The fact that their salaries are justified

[credo]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Quote: credo

And what does that change?

The fact that their salaries are justified

What, the opinion of shareholders? Then between the shareholders (owners) of foreign and domestic football clubs there is no difference.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: credo

What, the opinion of shareholders? Then between the shareholders (owners) of foreign and domestic football clubs there is no difference.

They have state corporations and city (regional) budgets of teams do not contain - how much they earned, how much they received. The difference is huge!

[yehat]

they have a large part of the income of football players and clubs from advertising and selling branded rubbish like Messi shirts.
we don’t have it at all. Only budget support.
And, by the way, there is an element of fascism here - why should those who are indifferent to him and like, for example, biathlon or hockey have to put up with very expensive football support? This is the total money spent on the needs of some rabid sectarians.

[KLV2018]

Quote: credo

Quote: Stirbjorn

However, this also applies to players from other countries, where football has long been turned into a business and not an excellent and spectacular team game.

There all clubs are private, and we have the majority, at the expense of the budget

And what does that change?

Loot budget is not being sawn.

[Pax tecum]

Here's another, if anyone remembers-limitless cynicism or cynical chaos.
In 2015, Sechin's son Ivan received the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, II degree, which was awarded to him by President Putin. Ivan Sechin is the First Deputy Director of the Department of Joint Offshore Projects at Rosneft.
According to the decree, Sechin Jr. was awarded "for his great contribution to the development of the fuel and energy complex and many years of conscientious work." 25 years and many years of work?

And yes! If you gave a second degree, then probably the third was already?

This leveling of the value and value of state awards has already pulled up ...

[Pax tecum]

These words from the article can summarize:
"The discrediting of state awards continues, .. people were awarded state awards. It was normal.
But it was in a normal country. Now the times are different. I would say almost Ukrainian. "

Sovereign capitalism and its manifestations, so to speak ...

[Stas157]

Quote: credo

That is, if you approach formally, then ... ... as an exception

The president has too many of these exceptions, which, by virtue of quantity, have already become the rule! If you do not touch the Star of the Hero - Karlov, then it is impossible not to notice that ALL oligarchs, stars of show business (including those who hate Russia, such as Makarevich), are all awarded various state awards.
By what principle are awards distributed at the top? Yes, simple! Who is closer to the oligarchic elite! If you are an elite or so, then you are much more likely to receive a reward. The achievements of ordinary people notice less, and if they notice, they don’t evaluate as highly as their own.
Football players were at the peak of interest, which is carefully promoted about the imperious media. Well, how not to reward yourself after that! After all, holding the mundial and its success the top (and rightly so) entirely ascribes to itself. By rewarding football players with higher Kremlin awards, they seem to raise the significance of a football event.

[credo]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: credo

That is, if you approach formally, then ... ... as an exception

The president has too many of these exceptions, which, by virtue of quantity, have already become the rule! If you do not touch the Star of the Hero - Karlov, then it is impossible not to notice that ALL oligarchs, stars of show business (including those who hate Russia, such as Makarevich), are all awarded various state awards.
By what principle are awards distributed at the top? Yes, simple! Who is closer to the oligarchic elite! If you are an elite or so, then you are much more likely to receive a reward. The achievements of ordinary people notice less, and if they notice, they don’t evaluate as highly as their own.
Football players were at the peak of interest, which is carefully promoted about the imperious media. Well, how not to reward yourself after that! After all, holding the mundial and its success the top (and rightly so) entirely ascribes to itself. By rewarding football players with higher Kremlin awards, they seem to raise the significance of a football event.

I believe that Adam and Eve lived in paradise just fabulously. They did not need anything, including and clothes and at the same time they had everything they needed. But they wanted more and they were expelled from paradise for this. The life of mankind has changed after that, but people still at a subconscious level remember paradises and strive to achieve them in various ways, including such as awarding ranks and awarding prizes. And the authorities are also aware of this human weakness, which she uses. But this is not the greatest sin.
The current human life is not perfect, but this is not a reason to reproach the President for not being able to change it overnight.

[AUL]

Quote: credo

The current human life is not perfect, but this is not a reason to reproach the President for not being able to change it overnight.

Something it dragged on overnight - for 18 years with a tail! After World War II, they were the first to go into space in 12 years, after 16 - Gagarin took off! And the devastation was greater than in the 90s, and it was necessary to build more, and the situation around the country was, to put it mildly, on the verge of war. But then they could! Maybe because they stole less?

[your1970]

Quote from AUL

through 16 - Gagarin took off!

- And what exactly did the flight of Gagarin bring to the country?
The US already knew what we have IS long-range carriers of nuclear weapons. Moreover, they knew that in Reich in 1944, the issue of man-guided missiles was already being worked out, and some of the missiles went to the USSR. Thus, the question of defense disappears
Industry? Well, it spurred, but with big distortions and inefficient investment.
What remains ??
That's right, the prestige of the country !!! here they say we are what we can train ..
The World Cup and our players worked exactly on the same thing, on the prestige of the country - "We can, when necessary !!!"

Quote from AUL

And the devastation was more than in 90, and it was necessary to build more

-There are nuances: in 90-1) there were no prisoners (which it is enough to feed with a bandand and not shoot under the mood), 2) could not be attached to the plant without the possibility of quitting, 3) and so on-there are a lot of any differences
And then they stole enough - Whose legend was that “MININ” had Sharapov, the station’s chief — who stole echelons in the WAR — when the execution was organized like two fingers on a fence. And this wasn’t an author’s invention, there were many such cases ...

[AUL]

Quote: your1970

- And what exactly did the flight of Gagarin bring to the country?

If you really do not know this (well, except for the PR of the country), then I will not undertake to explain it to you!

[your1970]

Quote from AUL

Quote: your1970

- And what exactly did the flight of Gagarin bring to the country?

If you really do not know this (well, except for the PR of the country), then I will not undertake to explain it to you!

-the positions of obtaining benefits that I have given either have not received benefits, or have received not in proportion to the efforts / means / resources expended ...
please give an example - where Gagarin’s flight benefited at once - and not after 10-20-30-50 years (as in science)

[victor50]

Quote: credo

The current human life is not perfect, but this is not a reason to reproach the President for not being able to change it overnight.

You mean - to an even worse side ?! But, mind you, he is trying hard !!!

[RESEARCHER]

Enough already to envy and anger. Ours were champions of the Olympic Games in football more than once. For football, this is an average amateur-youth tournament and more. And how can you equate the 3rd place at the Olympics with the first place at the World Cup for football to obtain the title of VMS. I quote the author.
“I’ll just remind those who don’t know, the title of Honored Master of Sports is given in Russia for 1-3 places at the Olympic Games and for 1st place at the World Championships. But not at all for reaching the quarter finals!” .
Well, turn on your brain, and whoever does not have it, it is better to disconnect from the ether.
I have the honor.

[populist]

RESEARCHER (LEO
Well, turn on your brain, and whoever does not have it,

You didn’t succeed in turning on your brain ... The author is right in everything and yes -

Now the times are different. I would say almost Ukrainian ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: RESEARCHER

Ours were champions of the Olympic Games in football more than once.

Already 27 years as not ours.

Quote: RESEARCHER

And how can you equate the 3 place at the Olympics with the first place at the World Cup

Then let them officially equate to 8.

[For example]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Then let them officially equate to 8.

Good idea!
Let fools fight for the first place, and we will fight for the eighth! Arranging a nationwide walk upon reaching eighth place. And why trifle - the star of the hero!
Let the damned bourgeois celebrate their worthless victories! We know who the hero is! We will take all the eighth places and there will be a holiday, and there will be awards, and there will be a standing ovation to the party and the government, and there will be honor and respect for the president!
Eight is an infinity sign that went to rest on the side.
It will be a BREAKTHROUGH !!! A breakthrough to infinity ... or an eternal breakthrough !!!

[yehat]

the appeal to the letter of the definition is incorrect, you are absolutely right, but Gamova said something else.
She said that the assignment of ZM to football players is the destruction of the authority of this title and this is true.

[97110]

Quote: Vard

They always award those who fell into the arm ..

In 1986, being in the orderly ranks of the 455th separate heroic civil defense regiment, he was periodically excited by a delivered messenger order: "!! Urgently two fighters for a government award !!! The regiment at that time, having completed the construction of the winter tent camp, had not done anything heroic yet, I just waited for it to be sent to the roof and periodically cleaned the cowsheds and pigsties soiled by irresponsible cows and sows on the collective farms upon incoming commands. none of the government awards I have presented for the cleaning of manure ... the President has not yet been in the country ...

[freddyk]

Quote: Vard

They always award those who fell into the arm ..

Here is another story. Here, the royal award, well done men, did not shame the king-priest. I thought it would blush, but here is such a pleasant surprise. Yes, people around the world say that Putin’s merit. How not to reward for this, well done, deserve it.

[AUL]

Of course, heroes! Not only did not fly out in the first game, but still managed not to merge the second! Well, then beyond the limits of human capabilities! Heroes, definitely!

[edasko]

Putin - Cherchesov: “They played beautifully”

[your1970]

Quote from AUL

Of course, heroes! Not only did not fly out in the first game, but still managed not to merge the second! Well, then beyond the limits of human capabilities! Heroes, definitely!

- I’m embarrassed to remind you - FORMER champions flew EARLIER than ours ...

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Vard

They always reward those who fell into the arm .. and a huge number of those who deserve to be lost in weightlessness and worry about it is senseless ... In fact, any award is a decoration ... I have such a type ... And you have less glitter. ..

I repeat, maybe about the order of Alexander Nevsky, just in addition to the article

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation D. Medvedev dated September 7, 2010 No. 1099 “On measures to improve the state award system of the Russian Federation” established that the Order of Alexander Nevsky is again included in the state award system of the Russian Federation, and its statute and description have been approved [8] . The badge of the Order of Alexander Nevsky of the Russian Federation reproduces the design of the pre-revolutionary order.

that is, the statute of the order was changed during the renaming of "police" to "police" and other "successes" of Medvedev’s rule. And if you look at the lists of awarded oligarchs, then as one comrade used to say, "Again, vague doubts torment me ..."

[Glory1974]

They always award those who fell into the arm.

I immediately remembered the army saying: Punish the innocent and reward the uninvited.

[Phil77]

As the PM said: * they wanted the best, but it turned out as always! *

[Bastinda]

"1. The Order of St. Alexander Nevsky was conceived by Peter I for rewarding for military merits. However, the order established after his death on May 21 (June 1), 1725 by Catherine I (" in retribution of labor, for the raised nation ") began to be used to encourage civilians.
2. Order of Alexander Nevsky - Soviet award of the Great Patriotic War. It was established by a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of July 29, 1942 simultaneously with the Orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov to reward the commanding staff of the Red Army for outstanding services in organizing and directing military operations and for the successes achieved in the battles for the Motherland achieved as a result of these operations.
3. By the decree of the President of the Russian Federation D. Medvedev dated September 7, 2010 No. 1099 “On measures to improve the state award system of the Russian Federation” it was established that the Order of Alexander Nevsky is again included in the state award system of the Russian Federation, and its statute and description have been approved. "
And with what does the majority associate Alexander Nevsky? With a warrior? Or a foot ball?
And who is involved in the sale of memory and its discredit?
Why change the statute of the order? What would a great-grandson, upon learning that his grandfather was awarded the Order of Alexander Nevsky, ask: Does he play football?

[dSK]

Quote: Bastinda

Why change the statute of the order?

What education of patriotism can be spoken about if Gorbachev was awarded this order?

[prapor55]

Unfortunately, Gorbachev was awarded the Highest Award of Russia, the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called. The then President, popularly referred to simply as Dimon, awarded his teacher in 2011.

[Volodya Nigmetov]

I meet Seryozha Fomin and he is a hero of the Soviet Union ... the theme is as old as the world It is a pity that Putin was drawn into this story and sweet gingerbread is always unfairly visible Apparently Russia needs its new iconostasis but where is the guarantee that it will not be used again for its own and especially close ones. Apparently you need to take the world as it is and laugh at some gentlemen and heroes because they deserve it. I don’t think Putin decides specifically on awards to whom that Who solves the issue?

[Bastinda]

It’s a pity that Putin was dragged into this story

So maybe the walkers, to send tsar to the tsar? And then, after all, he probably doesn’t know how evil boyars are making a fool of him?

[freddyk]

Quote: Bastinda

So maybe the walkers, to send tsar to the tsar? And then, after all, he probably doesn’t know how evil boyars are making a fool of him?

Well, yes, there is an experience of “walking”, though sad (St. Nicholas did not appreciate.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: freddyk

Quote: Bastinda

So maybe the walkers, to send tsar to the tsar? And then, after all, he probably doesn’t know how evil boyars are making a fool of him?

Well, yes, there is an experience of “walking”, though sad (St. Nicholas did not appreciate.

Well, why go so far? Last year, they tried to fight Plato — a truck convoy was stopped far from Moscow ... Now there are very effective methods against all kinds of “walkers” —only they will still wear shoes, and they will be exposed in all mass media as “enemies of a resurgent Russia” going to overthrow the government ... Poklonskaya only dared to step from the "party line" to the "curve path" of reason, as the "honored" deputies with their "beaks" immediately jumped out ...

[Karabin]

Quote: Volodya Nigmetov

It’s a pity that Putin was dragged into this story

What!? Again!?

[freddyk]

Quote: Karabin

Quote: Volodya Nigmetov

It’s a pity that Putin was dragged into this story

What!? Again!?

Yeah :-) Some kind of Putin is not good, all the time he is being "dragged" somewhere :-) Again, I contacted a bad company. And so the boy is good, kind, he loves animals :-)

[Ren]

Quote: Bastinda

And with what does the majority associate Alexander Nevsky? With a warrior? Or a foot ball?

Well, the phrase "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword!" attributed to Alexander Nevsky.
And you can read it like this:
“Whoever comes to us with the ball will die from the ball!”

[97110]

Quote: Bastinda

And who is involved in the sale of memory and its discredit?

Capitalism, duck ... We do not understand. Drummers of capitalist labor are honored, we need to remember our place, who have not survived, the period of survival is to get ready to survive ..

[rotmistr60]

Regarding the awards, I have already expressed my opinion on the first publications of this news. But about this

Now the times are different. I would say - almost Ukrainian... if there is no change / victory, it must be organized. From any hell

I do not agree with the author. It turns out the Crimean bridge arose from zrada, our successes in Syria from zrada, new weapons from zrada, etc. If the author believes that "almost Ukrainian times" have come to the country, this is his full right. I do not think so.

[belly]

Um ... It’s clear that I’m doing a stretch, but we are stupidly watching the number of heroes of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. It is very revealing.

[yehat]

Crimean bridge is a stupid result of a series of stupid decisions.
A solution that solves the problem is disproportionately expensive and half-hearted.
It was necessary to help normally in the east of Ukraine - it is ten times cheaper than the bridge
and there would be a normal land route to the Crimea.
The economic sense of the bridge can appear only when the economy grows in Crimea 4-5 times, but there are no prerequisites for this at all and the government does nothing to somehow compensate for the construction costs by improving the economic situation.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: yehat

It was necessary to help normally in the east of Ukraine - it is ten times cheaper than the bridge and there would be a normal land route to the Crimea

The likelihood of a full-scale war with VNA + Young Europeans + USA (through a proxy) - do not consider? IMHO in vain.

Quote: yehat

The economic meaning of the bridge can appear only when ...

The bridge already has a meaning now - there is a normal automobile (and there will also be a railway) communication with / Crimea.
What is the "economic meaning of the bridge" - I don’t know, enlighten, be beavers ...

Quote: yehat

the government does nothing to somehow offset the cost of construction by improving the economic situation

I don’t understand anything at all ...
The bridge is a state-scale project. RF Why do you think that the cost of it must be compensated precisely due to the fact that

Quote: yehat

in Crimea, the economy will grow 4-5 times

This is also a question, if that

[yehat]

You need to fight in Ukraine, but in the media, lawyers, human rights activists, and your achievements, not tanks.

in Crimea there were ferry services. What is the rationale for building a bridge?
Comfort of movement by car to the beach, sorry, not an argument. In addition, I repeat, for the same money, the Russian Federation could well have control over the entire coast of the Sea of ​​Azov.
And this is the same bridge, only land.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: yehat

You need to fight in Ukraine, but in the media, lawyers, human rights activists, and your achievements, not tanks

That's true, somehow I can’t connect it with your

Quote: yehat

It was necessary to help normally in the east of Ukraine ...
and there would be a normal land route to the Crimea

Quote: yehat

in Crimea there were ferry services. What is the rationale for building a bridge? Comfort of movement by car to the beach, sorry, not an argument

And what, only tourists are transported to Crimea? And they eat and drink there, excuse me?
How automobile (and in the future, I repeat - train) transportation differs from ferry, I think it’s clear ... intuitively.

Quote: yehat

I repeat, for the same money, the Russian Federation could well have control of the entire coast of the Sea of ​​Azov

I do not understand. IMHO - without war - could not be like that. Well, it just couldn’t, for any money

[yehat]

you don’t understand much.
war is the last argument, not the main one, and this is exactly the argument that the states (and their puppets in the EU) provoked, leading to the Yugoslav scenario! all the other arguments that existed before that were safely blown away, moreover, having spent $ 2012 billion on this in 14-11 alone, not counting the rest of the years. Thanks to Zurabov and other figures.
Instead of humanitarian convoys to the Donbass, it was necessary to send propaganda convoys to the village of Ukraine, to Kiev and other regions, to expand sane information resources, and at least a little better to take care of the situation inside the Russian Federation, and not in the Sea of ​​Azov. And when the troubles began, it was necessary not to wait for the most advantageous position (in the Surkov style), which turned out to be a huge cost afterwards, but to immediately take the initiative, protecting the Russian-speaking population and actively intervening in the campaign in Ukraine and organizing a real alternative to the meat grinder, first of all not power, and economic, ideological and cultural. But this has not been done. Even now, no one understands their future, if suddenly some territory moves to the Russian Federation.

Instead of the normal priorities of integration and assimilation (see how empires expanded in history), we are building the Crimean bridge, grabbing sanctions and pursuing a whole bunch of false goals, wasting useless and scarce resources.
Do you think the bridge, the Olympics, the World Cup in football - is this nonsense? This is an incomplete reform and rearmament of the army, it is the ugly attempts of the next pension reform, this is an increase in VAT, this is a deterioration in the situation of the military-industrial complex and much more.
Be sure that the country will pay three times for every global stupidity and it already pays.

[your1970]

Quote: yehat

And when the troubles started, it was necessary not to wait for the most advantageous position (in the Surkov style), which turned out to be a huge cost afterwards, but to immediately take the initiative, protecting the Russian-speaking population and actively intervening in the campaign in Ukraine and organizing a real alternative to the meat grinder, first of all not power, and economic,

1) who would let you into the Ukrainian village with propaganda convoys?
2) with a meat grinder it’s like? They are fighting on the other side of the front line -and we are working damned creating an economic alternative? They are shooting at us -and we are rebuilding schools / plants?

[yehat]

no need to get out of context. The fact that hostilities began is already a disaster. Previously, it was necessary to tear the veins.

[edasko]

The bridge is a state-scale project. RF Why do you think that the cost of it must be compensated precisely due to the fact that ...

But what about my friend! What kind of abstraction is “a project of state scale. RF”? No one in their right mind, under the conditions of an oligarchic state, will do something simply for beauty or, God forgive me, for the good of people. Crimea is an important military facility (this is where it all started), a very climatically promising area for capital construction (tourism, housing). And the relevant structures will surely beat their own, in fact, not so much money spent on the construction of the bridge. Look for an interview with Rottenberg.

[edasko]

Well why. The Crimean bridge is purely economic and serves primarily for the benefit of investors, who in turn serve to make a profit. In Crimea, it’s kind of like a construction boom. There are some incomprehensible Syrian successes ... How many times has the commander-in-chief already declared victory and the withdrawal of ours? And Hmeimim almost every day planes terrorize. We were stuck there for many years. Have you seen a lot of new weapons? Only one “Dagger-Iskander” seems more or less alive. There was also a lot of talk about “Armata” and SU-57, but now it seems like they’re not needed

[SHURUM -BURUM]

As they wrote here yesterday, I completely agree with the thought that there is only one victory - when you are the first!
There is no other victory!

[alstr]

And if you recall Nemov, who did not become a medalist at the Olympics, because of arbitrariness?
There is a concept - a moral victory. By the way, in the Second World War there were thousands of such small victories.

[amateur2]

"Tereshkova Valentina Vladimirovna - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs." And why is Tereshkova better than Cherchesov in relation to the order of Alexander Nevsky?

[Efgen]

Interestingly, but in other countries? Have players of the French national team been awarded the Legion of Honor? How many US state awards does Michael Phelps have for each of the Olympiads?

[3vs]

People need to be distracted from the "pension reform"!
But, it turns out another point of tension, already in the sports community.
The guarantor of the constitution seems tired, I would not want a repeat of Leonid Ilyich ...

[Fungus]

The reward of football players is to distract from pension reform? What do you smoke lad?

[3vs]

I do not smoke and I do not advise you!
By the way, neither Cherchesov nor any of the players hinted, I am not worth it!

[Yaroslavl]

even Fedya Smolov)

[populist]

3vs
People need to be distracted from the "pension reform"!
But, it turns out another point of tension, already in the sports community.
The guarantor of the constitution seems tired, I would not want a repeat of Leonid Ilyich ..

Nobody wants such a repetition, but it already exists.

[Cat Marquis]

Yes, nevermind, these trinkets are not appreciated by the people now, everyone perfectly understands how they are awarded and for what. Even the "hero of Russia" is perceived with a grin "after some odious awards.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Marquis Cat

Yes, nevermind, these trinkets are not appreciated by the people now, everyone perfectly understands how they are awarded and for what. Even the "hero of Russia" is perceived with a grin "after some odious awards.

I can not agree with you. Among those awarded with all kinds of awards, there are a lot of quite worthy of these awards. And if the unworthy is in their ranks, this is not a reason to treat the worthy with neglect. Let's not mix flies with cutlets. It’s not the fault of E. Gamova that they called her equal with the detonators, it’s the fault of those who called her.
The author of the article is a fat plus.

[Stas157]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And if the unworthy is in their ranks, this is not a reason to treat the worthy with neglect. Let's not mix flies with cutlets. It’s not the fault of E. Gamova that they called her equal with the detonators, it’s the fault of those who called her.

Of course, it’s not Gamova’s fault that she was leveled with the detonators, and nobody treats the worthy with neglect! But, we are talking about something else, not about award recipients, but about award recipients, and about these awards themselves. But this is already a big problem! Because have direct fault award-givers, in that they devalued these awards, rewarding them not quite deserved, and not those award recipients to whom they really should belong by right!

[yehat]

But what about those who received the title and award of the hero and stood on a par with those who received all this, but did not deserve it? Not everyone knows what Gamow has achieved, but many know that a number of awards were not deservedly issued and this casts a shadow over all the heroes.
Somehow they joked about Brezhnev’s titles of a hero. But I want to note that I don’t know about the last star, but he definitely earned all the others honestly. But the last star cast doubt on everyone else. This is how rash awards destroy the authority of those who made real feats. And to those who organized the incorrect rewarding, I would apply serious penalties, because such a thing is far from a joke.

[your1970]

Quote: yehat

But I want to note that I don’t know about the last star, but other he definitely earned honestly.

-everything three previous?
allstarting with 1966 - for a great contribution to the development of the country and in connection with his birthday ....
Order of Victory - Colonel ???? !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote: yehat

And to those who organized the incorrect rewarding, I would apply serious punishments, because such a thing is far from a joke

Alas, they died a long time ago. well, at least canceled the Order of Victory

[yehat]

All 3 first stars Brezhnev got quite the job.
maybe the reward is excessive - not for me to judge, but for the concrete great work.

[your1970]

Quote: yehat

All 3 first stars Brezhnev got quite the job.

-The hero of social work would be for the cause - and the GSS was there sideways

[prior]

For lack of a stamp - they write in simple.
Now the order of Alexander Nevsky can be equated with the status of the medal of the collective farm named after 31 kilometers of the Mozhaisk highway. Hurray to the heroes of the Order Bearers.

[Moore]

Almost every such event for the next depreciation of awards has a specific name, surname and position.
As a rule, this is some kind of referent bug behind the First One, who in time whispers to the boss yet another “killer” idea, which (he knows for sure - VTsIOM Gaidar vowed!) Will surely be supported by a people who don’t have souls in the First.
Here comes the Kinder Surprise GR, which has ruined the country of the cavalier of the highest order of Russia and their name is Legion.
There are truth and rare exceptions when the First one shoots himself in the foot himself - for example, Kukuruznik’s personal decision to award Nasser the title “Hero of the Soviet Union”.
And all these spit on the real gentlemen of orders and heroes look extremely disgusting.

[Royalist]

Roman, you raised a very important and painful topic: DISCRIDITATION of state awards. Unfortunately, this started back under Brezhnev, and now the caricature is already taking shape.
In the 30s, awards were given to sparingly and truly honored people. And now, collectors really appreciate the orders of the Red Banner and the Red Star until 1943 because they really were a rarity.
Brezhnev took the first step to descritization of awards: to award him with an order in connection with his birthday. I have great respect for the components, but it’s a tradition to award a GSS star for every start. Remember how the people said: "flew for a new star." And Now, the Order of Courage is an analogue of "soldier George", even those who don’t smell gunpowder are awarded, and the star of the Hero of the Russian Federation, an analogue of the GSS, is awarded even to PASSERS.
It is possible, through the deputies, because among them there are also worthy people, to raise the issue of a more critical approach to the presentation of awards

[alstr]

Well, it started obviously earlier. Even George was given for length of service.
If we talk about the Soviet period, it all started with a medal of 20 years of the Red Army.

As for the astronauts, then (and now) is a huge risk. It was simply presented to the people as a walk (to promote the Soviet system), but in fact, how many minor accidents and incidents were (and indeed there are). So the Heroes of the astronauts are absolutely deserved. Another thing is that thousands of testers who have lost their health but provided space flights have not been deservedly forgotten.

And the depreciation of awards - it has always been that someone was unhappy.
Let's just remember the Second World War. That those soldiers (and not only soldiers, but also civilians) who have fulfilled their military duty to the end are not worthy of rewards? Moreover, they performed feats for which they then gave the Hero (Matrosov’s feat to help us - but he was not the first).

Or at least remember Lyalin, who saved a torpedo boat and all the wounded on board at the age of 13 (including his adoptive father), wasn’t he worthy of the GSS, but he received only the Order of the Red Star?
And there are so many. It’s just that someone was lucky enough to catch the eyes of the authorities or the press, but someone didn’t.

Everything is the same here. The team was in sight. Played with dignity. Therefore, received awards. Yes, most likely the awards do not quite correspond to the level of merit. Yes, all under one comb trimmed. But forgive me - the level of merit is an estimated thing and the President has the right to such a choice.
And most importantly, that has always been and always will be.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Royalist

And Now, the Order of Courage is an analogue of "soldier George", even those who don’t smell gunpowder are awarded, and the star of the Hero of the Russian Federation, an analogue of the GSS, is awarded even to PASSERS.

Here recently on the net such a paradoxical post came across

The Hero of Russia Ramzan Kadyrov once accused another Hero of Russia, Sulim Yamadayev, of involvement in the murder of his father, Hero of Russia Akhmad Kadyrov. As a result, Hero of Russia Sulim Yamadayev was killed in Dubai and, on charges of his murder, the Dubai police put another Hero of Russia Adam Delimkhanov on the international wanted list. The brother of the murdered Hero of Russia, Ruslan Yamadayev, also a Hero of Russia, was also killed in Moscow by other, as yet unidentified Heroes of Russia.

[yehat]

DESCRIPTION OF STATE AWARDS. Unfortunately, it started under Brezhnev

it began a long time ago, for example, in the war, various cunning rear crews beat out award sheets from the front line (for example, I’ve exempted you from the stew’s warehouse, but you awarded me the award list), but the practice of undeserved awards in the government began under Khrushchev, and not under Brezhnev and it is an element of personnel policy changes after Stalin.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: yehat

DESCRIPTION OF STATE AWARDS. Unfortunately, it started under Brezhnev

it began a long time ago, for example, in the war, various cunning rear crews beat out award sheets from the front line (for example, I’ve exempted you from the stew’s warehouse, but you awarded me the award list), but the practice of undeserved awards in the government began under Khrushchev, and not under Brezhnev and it is an element of personnel policy changes after Stalin.

No, dear. GK Zhukov hung his military orders on his boobs without thinking about the fact that by this act he offends the dignity of all the soldiers of the Red Army deservedly received the same awards. So even under I.V. Stalin this trouble was.

[yehat]

the trouble was, and I said it too, but it did not concern top management

[parusnik]

..Ndaa ... Znarok defeated the Germans on ice, and Cherchesov received the Order of Alexander Nevsky.

[Yaroslavl]

Znark has a German passport, let him give him there

[Mihail28]

From the statute of the Order of Alexander Nevsky (Russia, not the USSR)
3. The Order of Alexander Nevsky may be awarded to prominent foreign political and public figures, representatives of the business community of foreign countries for their services in developing multilateral cooperation with the Russian Federation and in assisting in its social and economic development.

[sxfRipper]

By the way - there was a medal in tsarist Russia For zeal. They specially invented it for merchants, manufacturers ... It didn’t come to the order (black bone after all), but the merits of many were much more abrupt than those of the white-blood nobility.
PS - my uncle earned the Order of Alexander Nevsky (the one Stalinist) then with blood. Probably turned upside down ...

[yehat]

the Stalinist order was with real stones, and now it is cheap jewelry.

[sxfRipper]

The Stalin Order was for concrete deeds. And not for hzch in the aggregate of their deeds.

[Jurkovs]

The punishment is not guilty. Rewarding is not involved. The proverb, however, was not born from scratch.

[bober1982]

They are tired of everything - both, honored masters of sports, and not deserved. Vanity is ordinary, envy, friend-friend hate, this is called professional sports, it cannot be otherwise. It always has been, it always will be.

[yehat]

Vanity vanity. But here I will say so - I am an amateur chess player. I play at the level of a decent FIDE master, I used to play at the level of a weak master of the USSR, but there is no international rating. I am offended that some little peanut who does not know how to play, bought a rating tournament and has already become a “master", and I’m nobody. And it’s a shame to Gamova that the “nobody” team was equated with her. And this is normal. I don’t see what to be ashamed of. And such questions need to be raised.
It’s just worth understanding that if a team of clowns is popular with fans, this does not make them cool athletes. Well, they would give them the title of Honored Artist of Russia. That would be more accurate.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

It is disgusting that there are simply no words. In general, the topic is very correct. The discrediting of the awards did not begin yesterday, but this is not easier. And yes, indeed, when you look at some of our “heroes” in your head, the Patients quote goes like this: “Loop the dog’s reward for you!”

[Loess]

- “as an exception” - “for an outstanding contribution to enhancing the prestige of the Russian Federation and Russian sports at the international level, while showing exceptional courage and skill”.

Does the rise of the national team from 70 to 26 in the ranking according to the results of just one tournament not fall under this formulation?

Discredit of state awards continues

In my opinion, some authors discredit analytical journalism, but for some reason their conscience does not torment them ...

It’s a shame for the hysteria that stupid fans of mending staged.

So I’ve never been a fan of football, but it seems a little strange to me that the author’s pathological desire to insult entire categories of citizens who have an opinion different from that of the author ... For a whole week the author refrained from insults ... Or even two ... Weeks. .. And again ... At the same time, the author sincerely resents when someone comments in the same way in the comments about him (the author) ... Double standards?

[Karabin]

Quote: Less

Is the rise of the national team from 70th to 26th place in the ranking according to the results of only one tournament

After preliminary lowering from 55 to 70.

Quote: Less

the author’s pathological desire to insult entire categories of citizens,

Is it just an insult? And the distribution of state awards and titles anyhow to whom, is that?

[Loess]

Quote: Karabin

Is it just an insult?

With regard to you, you can consider such statements at least praise, it is your right. However, media resources should not fall to a similar level.

Quote: Karabin

And the distribution of state awards and titles anyhow to whom, is that?

Envy is a bad feeling.

[edasko]

Does the rise of the national team from 70 to 26 in the ranking according to the results of just one tournament not fall under this formulation?

Misses. This is where "exceptional courage and skill"? Did they play with broken legs? Are they guaranteed to sacrifice their health? Have they shown enchanting football?
In general, the topic was raised by our deserved volleyball player, who has the right to judge others. Because she deserves it. People! But how did you get confused! There is no such achievement in sports - 8th place. This is about nothing. The hysteria inflated by the media out of the blue due to unpopular decisions in the social sphere.

[Loess]

Quote: edasko

In general, the topic was raised by our deserved volleyball player, who has the right to judge others.

I believe that the award decision is also made by people who have the right to do so.

Quote: edasko

There is no such achievement in sports - 8 place. This is about nothing. Hysteria, bloated media out of the blue

For many commentators, even the gold of the hockey team at the Olympics was not an achievement either.

Quote: edasko

Did they play with broken legs? Are they guaranteed to sacrifice their health?

Unless you exaggerate, then

Quote: edasko

In general, the topic was raised by our deserved volleyball player, who has the right to judge others

this well-deserved volleyball player also does not perform with broken legs.

Quote: edasko

Hysteria, bloated media out of the blue

Quite right, I see no reason for tantrum.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Less

I believe that the award decision is also made by people who have the right to do so.

Wrong to believe. This decision was made by people with the power to ignore the statute of the award.

Quote: Less

this well-deserved volleyball player also does not perform with broken legs.

Only now the volleyball player deserved this award, but the players did not. Who is worthy, and who is not worthy, is not decided by the GDP and its people - there is a provision in which the conditions for rewarding are prescribed. In general, in a normal system, the award’s statute is a law that is higher than the one holding power, but once again, our GDP has shown that there is no law in the Russian Federation, only his desire

[Loess]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Wrong to believe.

People making decision on the award do not have the right to do so? An interesting layout ...

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In general, in a normal system, the award’s statute is a law that is higher than the one that holds power, and yet our GDP has once again shown that there is no law in the Russian Federation

Do you propose holding a referendum on rewarding football players or not?
“Grounds for awarding:
The Order of Alexander Nevsky is awarded to citizens of the Russian Federation ... for special personal services to the Fatherland ... and for the high results they achieved in the line of duty, in strengthening the international authority of Russia, ... and also citizens of the Russian Federation for high personal achievements in various industries ... and other socially beneficial activities. "
I am not going to argue or justify anyone in the matter of serving and receiving state. awards, but in this case the formalities, in my opinion, are met.
As for the volleyball player, she certainly has the right to her own personal opinion. Well, the fact that her opinion is taken as the basis for an attempt to raise another "wave of popular anger" is not a question for the athlete.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Less

People making decision on the award do not have the right to do so? An interesting layout ...

That's right. Dont Have. And, you know, one thing is when it had to be explained to sailors in 1904 g (Semenov has such a moment in his memoirs):

A small but characteristic detail: bypassing the batteries, I congratulated Georgy XV gun’s commander, Malakhov, who, being wounded, after dressing, immediately returned to his cannon and continued to carry out his duties.
It was strange to see how this man, who had just boldly looked at the face of death, suddenly dropped his eyes, flashed with joy, and either embarrassed or incredulously said: "This ... is so much like the authorities ..."
I was even angry.
- Which bosses? Understand you, fish head, that you deserve the statute! Here neither the commander nor I - we dare not! The authorities will not give it - you can reach the Tsar himself! Demand by law! ..
Everyone fell silent around, looking either with curiosity or sometimes with distrust ... It seems they first heard that the law is higher than the will of the authorities ... I hastily went on, wondering myself what I had made unexpectedly breaking out the phrase: supported or undermined discipline? ..

But to explain this to a seemingly competent person in the 2018 year ... Damn, where are we going at all

Quote: Less

Grounds for rewarding

The grounds for awarding Russian in white say for what achievements the award is given, and there is no way out to the quarter-finals. And besides, there are other conditions listed by you. This is done in order to, in an exceptional case, reward a person for other actions not related to the listed achievements. Therefore, the cited section does not fit at all - the quarter-final does not fall under its action

[Loess]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

But explaining this to a seemingly competent person in 2018

Uh ... you painted so happy, as if you awarded the players with the medal "For Courage" ... No, of course, to compare an athlete and a fighter is a strong move, they love it here. Especially when you need to turn something upside down. But this is not a correct comparison either in morality or in the status of the award, can you find it?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Less

Uh ... you painted so happy, as if you awarded the players with the medal "For Courage" ... No, of course, to compare an athlete and a fighter is a strong move, they love it here. Especially when you need to turn something upside down.

Loess, I am completely disappointed. Let me explain to you once again, you are a modern serf. In a normal society there is a LAW, to which EVERYTHING is jurisdictional. The statute of the medal / order is the LAW, which is above all, including the will of the president, who, in fact, is a GUARANTEE that the law of the Russian Federation will be implemented.
Therefore, a situation where the president is VIOLATING the law, which he, in fact, must guarantee is absurd by definition. And it doesn’t matter in relation to whom this is done - to a fighter, an athlete, a housewife, and even (do not believe it!) A bum. And in your little world

Quote: Less

this is not a correct comparison either in morality or in the status of the award

That is, you do not care about the violation of the law by persons who must protect it. Just think, some kind of athlete, this is not a fighter, why would he obey the law? It’s terrible that you don’t even understand what you are writing about - you are defending the right of the powers that be to illegal actions against us, mere mortals. That is, you protect their permissiveness.

[Loess]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Therefore, the situation when the president is breaking the law

Ahh ... so what are you talking about ... We’ll come back to the “serf man”, I think ... And as for breaking the law - read my comment above, I described there for what reason I do not agree with this definition, but for some reason you circumvented this moment with your liberated consciousness.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Less

but for some reason you circumvented this moment

In general, as I think, I described it very clearly in the comment above. But if for you it is too difficult, then I can easily repeat.
The statute of the order (medal) includes certain rules of rewarding - it spells out cases for which particular achievements a given award is given. However, the statute cannot be written out for all occasions, so usually one of the points is given something like what you quoted

Quote: Less

for special personal services to the Fatherland ... and the high results achieved by them in the line of duty, in strengthening the international authority of Russia

however, the law a priori implies "other than those listed in other paragraphs of the statute"
That is, this paragraph gives the right to award a person who has done something that is worthy of being awarded this order / medal, but it is not indicated in the statute. And in this case, this paragraph applies.
And if it’s even simpler, the application of one paragraph of the statute should not contradict others.
That is, you can’t award a person with the title of VMS if the statute expressly states that you need to win the World Championships or Europe, and the person has only reached the quarter finals - this is a violation of the conditions of the award, even if the VMS can be awarded for some "special merits" - the quarter-finals cannot be “special merits” since they do not directly reach the specified in the statute
And no paragraph can be applied if the person does not meet the minimum requirements for the award (in the case of Nevsky - this is 20 years of experience for a civil servant and the presence of a state award)

[Loess]

If it’s so important for you to impose YOUR opinion on me, then take the trouble to find arguments more convincing than a simple play on words.

[alstr]

Well, Zhirkov, for example, played on injections and is now recovering. Someone played right after injuries (if you think it’s easy, you’re mistaken).

[edasko]

No one belittles the merits of our football old men. But there is Dziuba, who previously mowed down from the national team. Now took up the mind - so reward it? The man did his job as he was supposed to do. Do not jump over your head. About work. Much has already been said about the salaries of football players, and the point is not envy. There is a concept - the commensurability of labor and its payment. Professional sports, especially football, have long turned into a show, into the Karabas-Barabas theater, as Solovyov said, do not be remembered by night. The owner of the theater wanted and bought a new doll for tens of millions. And she pays what she wants. We are not talking about the commensurability of labor and payment. Just so the owner wants. Well, the dolls are a little greyhound. And what happens? When clubs play inside our championship, 90% want to take the gag when watching matches, but the hosts are happy and are measured by dolls. And then, it turns out players for the national team can not be found. Then it is clear that the national team glued together hastily from the elderly and mediocre youth, taking such a prestigious 8th place causes an unhealthy excitement. Who do we want to trick? If in concepts, in conscience - it’s clear that there is no result. We were waiting for the World Cup, hoping for something. So what? To admit that "our hopes are our problems" and everything down the drain? Then it’s good, let's believe that everything is deserved, everything is conceptual.
It turned out a bit messy, please forgive. I think the thoughts are clear.

[Departure]

For such a salary and bonuses and with such medical care, it is certainly not painful and difficult. Vryatli harder miner in the face. Especially when you consider that, from year to year, people raise a lot of bucks to push these stumps from the budget into the private sector, then it’s a sin not to play a little better than nothing. And so once a year the stick shoots. Just do not say that they defended the honor of the country, they had already drunk it for a long time in bars before important matches.

[yehat]

Does the rise of the national team from 70 to 26 in the ranking according to the results of just one tournament not fall under this formulation?

misses because they reward for achievements, and not for returning to normal
our players did not jump above their heads at the World Cup. They just crap less than they usually did after perestroika.
Or do you want to start extolling the victories of our team over frankly weak teams?
Well, yes, in comparison with the epic game with Andorra, this is an achievement. Milking someone. But for sane people - no!

[edasko]

2015 News:

Igor Sechin’s son Ivan, who has been working at Rosneft since March 2014, has been awarded for “many years of diligent work” and “for his great contribution to the development of the fuel and energy complex”. The decree on awarding Sechin Jr. with a medal of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland II degree was signed by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

And he was as much as 25 years old!

[Olgovich]

For a lost match and 8th final a place

Not the 8th, but 5th. a place.

Departure in the quarter finals there is absolutely no reason to equate this company with winners of the Olympic Games or winners of the World Cup.

Departure is not a reason, but 1/4 finals-condition for the country, and even what!
The whole country was buzzing with happiness after the victory over Spain! A huge sense of pride in the country, this has not happened for a long time and will be remembered for many decades and it is worth a lot.
If the World Cup, say, handball, is watched by units from the world, then the World Cup is watching The whole world. And fifth place there and costs accordingly.
The President awarded people who managed to make the Russians feel a sense of pride and joy at the World Cup in their native land, and did the right thing!.

[edasko]

This is where "ALL the country was buzzing with happiness"? Do you even understand anything in football? The team that put the “bus” in front of their gates and won the penalty (count by chance) against Spain, which was not its own - is this an achievement worthy of rewards? Maybe our team showed an outstanding game in football terms? The only thing that can be credited to our players is that they played NORMALLY! The way they should always play (taking into account their outstanding skills). Then they did not go publicly to thump in taverns, did not begin to laugh and publish strange gestures on the Internet. They played and behaved professionally and humanly. No more. For this, of course, you must award a medal. And pride, for example, I do not feel. It is strange to be proud of the half-dead team in the game plan that miraculously left the group. Well, yes, there was a strange hysteria in some places. But this is to the doctor.

[parusnik]

That's right, Vasily .. and the game with Uruguay put everything in its place when our player was removed, the team already conceded two goals ... And the matches with Spain and Croatia are a lottery game, but they do not always win this game .... Once happiness, twice happiness - have mercy on God! It’s necessary to have some skills sometime. This is A.V.Suvorov about the game of our team ... Yes, and the players barely scraped it ... Ignashevich certainly respected, but didn’t play him until his retirement age, because there was no replacement. .. And then, our professional clubs disappear faster. than they appear .. And if they appear, not for long .. for example Tosno ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: edasko

This is where "ALL the country was buzzing with happiness"?

IN RUSSIA!

Quote: edasko

Do you even understand anything in football? The team that put the “bus” in front of their gates and won the penalty (count by chance) against Spain, which was not its own - is this an achievement worthy of rewards? Maybe our team showed an outstanding game in football terms? The only thing that can be credited to our players is that they played NORMALLY!

They played perfectly in the match with the Croats and lost, consider it by accident.
And the Spaniards made themselves out of "not themselves." But world champions and Argentines didn’t succeed. Absolutely.

Quote: edasko

And pride, for example, I don't feel. It is strange to be proud of the half-dead team in the game plan that miraculously left the group. Well yes, there were places strange hysteria. But this is to the doctor.

I am truly sorry for you.
PS critic Gamow was already ... European champion over the "most powerful" volleyball team of Croatia. And she blew the finals of the Olympics (in the spare). Ah, a great achievement! And not shy ZMS ....

[edasko]

Gamova's achievements:

With the national teams of Russia
As part of the youth team of Russia: world champion (1997 and 1999), silver medalist of the European Championship (1998).
As part of the student team of Russia: silver medalist of the Universiade (1999).
As part of the Russian team:
two-time silver medalist of the Olympic Games (2000 and 2004),
two-time world champion (2006 and 2010), bronze medalist of the world championship-2002,
two-time European champion (1999 and 2001), bronze medalist of the European Championships (2005 and 2007).
silver medalist of the World Cup (1999),
silver medalist of the World Cup of Champions (2001),
winner (2002), silver (2000, 2003, 2006, 2009) and bronze (2001) winner of the Grand Prix.
With clubs
11-time champion of Russia (2000/01, 2001/02, 2002/03, 2005/06, 2006/07, 2008/09, 2010/11, 2011/12, 2012/13, 2013/14, 2014/15) , silver medalist of the championships of Russia (1998/99, 1999/2000, 2003/04, 2004/05, 2007/08).
4-time winner of the Russian Cup (1996, 1997, 2010, 2012), finalist (2007, 2008, 2011, 2013, 2015) and a bronze medalist (2005, 2006) of the Russian Cup.
champion of Turkey (2009/10), winner of the Super Cup and Cup of Turkey (2010),
Champion League winner (2013/14), finalist (2002/03, 2006/07, 2008/09, 2009/10) and a bronze medalist (2000/01, 2011/12) of the Champions League.
bronze medalist of the CEV Cup (1998/99), finalist of the Tor Teams Cup (2005/06).
winner of the club world championship (2014).
Personal
2000: The best blocker of the final stage of the Grand Prix.
2001: Highest scoring player and best blocking World Champions Cup.
2003: the most productive player in the final stage of the Grand Prix.
2004: The most productive player and the best blocker of the Olympic tournament.
2004: Europe's best volleyball player.
2006: the most productive player in the final tournament of the Grand Prix, the best serveer of the “Final Four” of the Champions League.
2007: Prize “Glory” in the nomination “For the will to win”.
2007: the most productive player in the European Championship.
2007: the best forward of the “Final Four” of the Cup of Russia.
2008: The best forward and most productive of the Champions League group stage.
2009: The most productive player in the Final Four of the Champions League.
2010: The most productive player in the Final Four of the Champions League.
2010: MVP (most valuable player) of the World Cup in Japan.
2010: the best athlete of the year according to the audience of the TC "Russia-2".
2010: MVP and the best striker of the “Final Four” of the Cup of Russia.
2011: the best player in the championship of Russia - the owner of the Prize Lyudmila Buldakova [14].
2011: the best forward of the “Final Four” of the Cup of Russia.
2012: The most productive player and the best forward of the European Olympic qualifying tournament.
2012: the best forward of the “Final Four” of the Cup of Russia.
2013: the best player in the championship of Russia - the owner of the Prize Lyudmila Buldakova [15].
2013: the best striker of the “Final Six” of the Cup of Russia.
2014: MVP and the most productive player in the Final Four of the Champions League.
2014: MVP and the best diagonal club world championship.
2014: the best player in the championship of Russia - the owner of the Prize Lyudmila Buldakova [16].
2017: Diploma of the International Fair Play Committee (CIFP) in the nomination “Jean Borotra Trophy for an Impeccable Sports Career”

Is there a conscience? Have something to be proud of? Has the right to criticize others? At least one of the current players stood nearby? Akinfeev alone can only ...

[yehat]

Akinfeev is good, but not so much.

[Olgovich]

Quote: edasko

Is there a conscience? Have something to be proud of? Has the right to criticize others? At least one of the current players stood nearby? One Akinfeev can only.

Volleyball is NOT good at FOOTBALL for football — neither by the popularity of the game, nor by the number of players, nor by the money that goes on there. You still curling equate
И competition there naturally -in tens , hundreds of times less!
In football, respectively, reach fifth place -in deyast times harder than 1st place in volleyball.
What's not clear?

[edasko]

All clear.
The male population of Croatia is 2 019 055 people.
The male population of Russia is 67 people.

In football, respectively, to reach fifth place is more difficult in ten times than in first place in volleyball.

So it's like watching. If we consider ourselves a yard team, which, by right, the hostesses of the World Cup allowed to play real football, then yes. The result is super, all medals and diplomas. Squeal and tantrum on all channels. Plebs rejoices.
And if I start from the 2008 European Championships, I can say that there is no game, that team has disappeared, instead of it a miserable likeness.
That's all. We lower the bar and enjoy the victory in Saudi Arabia until hiccups - remember how it was recently. In 2008, these Saudis and Egyptians would have passed without straining, and now it was presented as a feat worthy of a reward.
Let's end with the following - if SUCH victories suit you and you recognize them as great achievements worthy of rewards - for God's sake, let it be. The other half of our people SUCH victories are not impressive. They aim for more. Give them a real victory, without fools. Probably they still remember what victories the country gained (not necessarily football).

[Olgovich]

Quote: edasko

The male population of Croatia is 2 019 055 people.
The male population of Russia is 67 people.

And?

Quote: edasko

Let's end with the following - if SUCH victories suit you and you recognize them as great achievements worthy of rewards - for God's sake, let it be.

I admit worthy of awards, of course

Quote: edasko

The other half of our people SUCH victories are not impressive. They aim for more.

no and no. And everyone is aimed at more. and rightly so. But the accomplished is wonderful.

Quote: edasko

Probably they still remember what victories the country gained (not necessarily football).

Are you about 91st?

[edasko]

And here is the 91st? What are you talking about? I had in mind sports victories - years of dominance in hockey, when apart from the 1st place there were simply no others for us, victories for our skiers, skaters, victories for our football clubs in European competitions. "But the accomplished is wonderful" -
"The greatest wealth of man is the ability to be content with little.
For the small is always in stock.
(- Lucretius.) "
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[yehat]

I would award football players for good work with a medal of merit or assign them the title of Honored Artist of the Russian Federation. This is normal
And the assignment of the titles of ZM and a number of other excessively sharp buns are inadequacy.

[NordUral]

When there are no victories, one must imagine them. And not the State with us since 91, but the organized crime group disguised as a state.
It is time to restore statehood and independence to the country.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

I’m embarrassed to ask: have you already built toilets of gold, as your Lenin promised back in 1921? Can you fulfill your previous promises first before promising something new?

[NordUral]

You deal with these gold toilets in your head. Do not fakes on VO dissolve the toilet.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

and here is a literal quote, my unlearned village friend:
“When we win on a global scale, I think we will make gold latrines on the streets of several of the largest cities in the world. This would be the most“ fair ”and illustratively edifying use of gold ...”
IN AND. Lenin
“On the significance of gold now and after the complete victory of socialism”
November 5 1921 city
Bite? Come on, keep the promises of the leader.

[NordUral]

You have a little sense of humor, buddy.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

and you have education. Why, no matter how Stalinist, it’s certainly unfamiliar in the square? But the sectarian faith is higher than the roof. Go to Jehovah’s witnesses. They need martyrs just now for faith.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergey Horuzhik

and here is a literal quote, my unlearned village friend:
“When we win on a global scale, I think we will make gold latrines on the streets of several of the largest cities in the world. This would be the most“ fair ”and illustratively edifying use of gold ...”
IN AND. Lenin
“On the significance of gold now and after the complete victory of socialism”
November 5 1921 city
Bite? Come on, keep the promises of the leader.

The fact is, Sergey, that you have an outhouse thinking.
In your opinion, in Lenin's words, the main thing is latrines, toilets, made of gold. And for a person with normal thinking, the main thing in his words is that gold is just metal and nothing more. Lenin, probably at that time still did not know that gold possesses properties that are very necessary in electrical engineering, electronics, and therefore believed that it could be used for the manufacture of toilets.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

I’m afraid that Lenin didn’t know much at all: his brain volume was below the average level, only 1340 cc, that is, he was no genius at all, but an ordinary idiot who gave simple answers, according to his mind, to complex questions of the present .Many of his answers we still disentangle and can not disentangle.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergey Horuzhik

I’m afraid that Lenin didn’t know much at all: his brain volume was below the average level, only 1340 cc, that is, he was no genius at all, but an ordinary idiot who gave simple answers, according to his mind, to complex questions of the present .Many of his answers we still disentangle and can not disentangle.

Despite the fact that you are a giant of thought and your brain is 7 cubic meters. see. You have not mastered a single volume written by "the usual idiot." But if such giants of thought as you had bothered to get acquainted with the creative heritage of the “idiot”, neither 91 nor 93 would have happened, and a lot of bad things would not have happened.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

Stupidity, please write. And history in no way depends on the rubbish written by Lenin. On the contrary. He could not predict anything in his works and completely failed with a prediction of the future. Leninism died, and he was just a dead-born theory right away .. But these events did not happen if Lenin had listened to criticism of Plekhanov and Martov back in 1917, who warned him about such a development of events. So, you have read the wrong authors.
Your answer is not counted. Try calling a friend. Glory to the great durkain!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergey Horuzhik

Stupidity, please write. And history in no way depends on the rubbish written by Lenin. On the contrary. He could not predict anything in his works and completely failed with a prediction of the future. Leninism died, and he was just a dead-born theory right away .. But these events did not happen if Lenin had listened to criticism of Plekhanov and Martov back in 1917, who warned him about such a development of events. So, you have read the wrong authors.
Your answer is not counted. Try calling a friend. Glory to the great durkain!

Lenin is not a fortuneteller, so he did not predict anything, he simply built a crumbling state. And it was not he who was falling apart, but your forerunners-democrats who made the king abdicate. And what kind of development of events did Plekhanov and Martov warn? Is it not that a counterrevolution will occur in the USSR anyway and that everything will return to normal?

[Sergey Horuzhik]

I see that you are not aware of Plekhanov’s dispute with Lenin. But the essence of the dispute was that Plekhanov believed that Russia was not ripe for socialism (which was absolutely true according to Marx’s theory), that socialism is possible only with a certain development of productive forces, which in Russia there is no proletariat, that not socialism will be built, but state-monopoly capitalism in the most archaic form, etc. Which happened in fact. And Lenin replied that we would develop productive forces and that while there was no proletariat, there would be a party instead. And as a result, a system of the dictatorship of the party, that is, partocracy, was built. With a new class of party bureaucrats instead of the bourgeoisie. Subsequently, this new class became the new current bourgeoisie. This is the reality. Question: if there was a return to capitalism anyway, then millions of victims and other suffering in vain? Was it impossible to achieve the goals of the development of the state in a less costly and bloody way? It is in the answer to this question that the difference lies between me and people like you.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sergey Horuzhyk

.Question: if there was still a return to capitalism, then there were no millions of victims and other suffering in vain?
Why did you mom give birth in such torment? After all, you will die anyway.

Was it not possible to achieve the goals of state development in a less costly and bloody way?

Well, then you have signed up with the giants of thought, so indicate this path so that you can eat kebabs and not kill the lamb.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: NordUral

It's time to restore statehood and independence to the country

Here you are in no way tired of carrying any nonsense. What, to the crow, an organized criminal group? What and how are you going to return? Means, methods?
Sofa strategists, inconsolable evolutionaries, I'm sorry, Goss

[yehat]

Yes, in fact, they are no longer masked. Look at how brazenly the laws began to cram.
these are the methods of organized crime groups. They just do what they can and spit on everyone.
In addition, the story of Chichvarkin, the sale of a magnet and a number of other events clearly shows that the stalls are pressed, the scales just changed, but the people are the same and the methods of organized crime.

[belly]

Wonderful people. Louis, who, 14: "Awarded not for something. Awarded for something."

But, damn it, Dziuba earned his own! Tea, not arshavins.

[Stirbjorn]

Arshavin won bronze at the European Championships in 2008 for the team, the Dutch didn’t pass the penalty in 1/4, but actually took out

[belly]

I agree. But I remember that "he owes nothing to anyone." And the national team, if intellectually, should, like land, a collective farm. These - worked right up to validol.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Barkun

But I remember that "he owes nothing to anyone." And the national team, if intellectually, should, like land, a collective farm. These - worked right up to validol.

no. Arshavin's team was better. There is 1 moment that many miss.
SAMA HAS PASSED THAT IN RUSSIA Championship !!! And then the Mistresses of ChM.Plus passed simply the opponents of the Arabs are so-so opponents. Uruguay leaked, and Spain had a penalty of 80% possession of Spain and 20% of the Russian Federation. There was no outstanding game it was for them to receive this award.
The national team with Arshavin deserved much more.

[nikvic46]

"..I conquered the three powers ..." "" And a medal for the city of Budapest shone on his chest. "

[Radical]

Quote: 3vs

People need to be distracted from the "pension reform"!
But, it turns out another point of tension, already in the sports community.
The guarantor of the constitution seems tired, I would not want a repeat of Leonid Ilyich ...

Tired of ... people ?!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Radikal

Tired of ... people ?!

just to the point!

[Flyer_64]

The reward for football is compensation for the loss to the Croats. There are lessons from the Sochi Olympics why step on the rake again. So they lost to the "Europeans".

[aybolyt678]

In a country where GOD is called ELITE it is possible to give any rewards to anyone

[AleBors]

There is a discredit of awards and titles. And she is ubiquitous. But it started from the top. And the current action is only a continuation of the deposition of the concept of "merit" and "feat."
And the merits of true heroes are often hushed up. One consolation, everyone will be rewarded according to his deeds ... It’s a pity not everyone here, but still ...

[AK1972]

So bad about the king
The people did not chat in vain
Act strictly according to the law
That is, act on the sly.
Well, I’m right there.
I will reward you for your work
The blacksmiths are given the task
The order will be fettered by tomorrow.

Leonid Vilatov "About Fedot archer, daring youth

[AUL]

Filatov ...

[Heinrich unruh]

In the USSR, as it was, you look at a person with awards, and for them his whole life is in full view. It was immediately clear who was in front of you, and it was appreciated. And closed lists were only for non-public people, those who were engaged in secrets or their closed institutions. And now really for everyone and everyone, everything has depreciated, I support Gamova.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

especially Brezhnev’s life was in full view of the other members of the Central Committee. They gave them orders for every birthday. So, stop lying. You don’t speak at the Plenum with promises of building communism in a short time.

[iouris]

It would be difficult to agree with the rewarding of two or three players of the national team in connection with the termination of their football career, with the rest it was enough to "warmly talk" in a "narrow circle". But the huge money of "respected people" is "invested" in them. We must show that "it was not in vain, it was not in vain."
Why be surprised? Institute of reputation destroyed. Traitors and thieves thrive. Rewards are often given to anyone and for lost battles. Military ranks are assigned to pop singers under vodka (Rosenbaum caperang).

[Karabin]

It is interesting, what awards and titles for similar results at the home World Cup would the wards of Lobanovsky or Beskov, and the coaches themselves, receive in the Union?

[Sergey Horuzhik]

They wouldn’t get anything, because no one in the right mind of the USSR would trust any home championship. And in the import, they would fly, as always.

[Karabin]

Quote: Sergey Horuzhyk

no one in their right mind would trust the USSR

Oh well. For some reason, the Olympics were held in the 80th. And in other sports of the World Cup, albeit less on a large scale than the mundial, the USSR held regularly.

Quote: Sergey Horuzhyk

And on the import, they would fly, as always.

World Championships
4 place at the 1966 World Championship (coach - N. Morozov)
European Championships
1960 European Champion (coach - G. Kachalin)
silver medalist of the European Championship 1964 (coach - Beskov K.I.)
silver medalist of the European Championship 1972 (coach - A. Ponomarev)
silver medalist of the European Championship 1988 (coach - V. Lobanovsky)
Olympics
champion of the Olympic Games 1956 (coach - Kachalin G. D.)
champion of the Olympic Games 1988 (coach - Byshovets A.F.)
1972 Olympic Games bronze medalist (coach - A. Ponomaryov)
1976 Olympic bronze medalist (coach - V. Lobanovsky)
1980 Olympic bronze medalist (coach - K. Beskov)

Quote: Sergey Horuzhyk

Wouldn’t get anything

Departure at the home World Cup in 1/4, it is unlikely that the Union was counted as a success.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

the answer does not count, because it was only about the World Cup. 4 place at the World Cup is not such a high achievement, taking into account that there were fewer participants. And the bronze medalist at the home Olympic Games is a pure disgrace.

[flicker]

What awards and titles for similar results at the home World Cup would the wards of Lobanovsky or Beskov and the coaches themselves receive in the Union?

Yes, no (by the way, the Union team could consist of the best football players of Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, etc.)
It turned out that the World Cup, because of the political situation in the world, turned for us more into hemorrhoids than luck. The probable provocation by Ukraine in the Donbass, the risks of a bycot from the European states, various terrorist attacks during the World Cup itself, and conflicts between fans were very high. Well, and most of all they were waiting for our failure (a little later they will talk more about this) “mud wagons” were already prepared: well-known “specialists”, athletes, commentators, were sick with experience - all had to give a “competent assessment” like football itself, and state policy, it would go for the “worthless money spent,” plus a surprise in the form of a planned pension reform. In short, they were waiting for the storm, but the guys “let us down” performed unexpectedly well - in the end, they drove due to flooding, the burdensomeness of the completed structures and, finally, came off on the undeserving of awards to football players.
So, the football players didn’t allow them to arrange a universal srach and transfer it to the political plane. Well, perhaps it was noted because of Gamow's envy, some more specialists, and the Internet networks were friendly to each other.

[Santor]

So the pension reform has been dragged on .... No matter how poison comes and you have to do it, you had to start it in 15 year .... The deadline is at least 5-7 years and everything will sprinkle. In addition to taking away and sharing what we have already gone through, no one offers anything practical and concrete. We have no other options - either to increase the retirement age or to reduce the number of pensioners ... As in some kind of science fiction film, 65 was executed - execution. Well, there was not enough food and the mother heroine was hiding ...
Well, there is no other way out, all the countries have already gone through this, with a creak they gave birth to hedgehogs against needles .... As soon as pensioners began to live longer due to improved general welfare, this problem arose.

The question is different - first let them provide jobs and jobs and that entrepreneurs would not be hurt by various deductions due to workers by age as they are now.
Bile come from those who are not able to do anything at all themselves.
By awards .... It seems that the championship was not watched .... In my opinion, among the losers were the world champions. That's what kind of person such a person is - envy rushing like a toad smothers me ... I don’t understand other people's money - why I care ...

[NordUral]

The question is different - first let them provide jobs and jobs and that entrepreneurs would not be hurt by various deductions due to workers by age as they are now.

The only true remark you have.
And yet - I am very worried about how my daughter, nephews and nieces, grandchildren, both my and my friends, will live. With these, from this organized criminal group, I am afraid that they will live poorly.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

... and cry and moan and fight against the side of the ship ... Not the Bolsheviks, but the hysterical institutes. What would you sing in a war if you had to fight? Would you cry in the trenches at night?

[iouris]

Quote: Santor

A period of at least 5-7 years and everything will fall.

Back in 1985, it was clear that everything would “crumble”. This was the "pension reform." How did the surname of the surgeon who operated on Yeltsin sound? It seems Dobeika.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Stas157

Vladimir Vladimirovich really wanted, from the shoulder of the shoulder, to bestow on imperially distinguished athletes, and at the same time appear in the rays of glory

soon villages will present with all the inhabitants ...

P.S. You know, some time ago I thought that in vain in the Civil War the Reds destroyed the White Guards - all the same, people were happy with Mother for Russia, they were patriots in their own way.
However, now imagine that you, your wife and children, your house or apartment ... was presented to some Cherchesov for your “heroic” successes for the benefit of the players of the Fatherland!
Yes, for this, the throats must be torn by this “democratically” elected bbl.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: kunstkammer

now imagine that you, your wife and children, your house or apartment ... was presented to some Cherchesov for your “heroic” successes for the benefit of the football players of the Fatherland

Where do you get grass? No, I don’t want one myself, just interested

[Sergey Horuzhik]

they confuse the clouding of their own minds with actions attributed to their opponents. It happens. This is the usual paranoid schizophrenia based on an obsession with some political fix ideas.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

God will punish you for this abomination that you wrote here. Or your Toad, which lives inside of you. Toad is generally the most terrible beast.

[NordUral]

P.S. You know, some time ago I thought that in vain in the Civil War the Reds destroyed the White Guards - all the same, people were happy with Mother for Russia, they were patriots in their own way.

Everything was far from so beautiful - the white movement - the bestial struggle of the nobility and the bourgeoisie for the privilege of living on the hump of the working people.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

How does the right to the privilege of living on the hump of the working people of the party nomenclature differ? Only by name? Or by the fact that you did not manage to draw up a hereditary form of ownership yourself back in 1952?

[ver_]

Quote from dsk

Quote: Bastinda

Why change the statute of the order?

What education of patriotism can be spoken about if Gorbachev was awarded this order?

.. well, the government modestly hides the idea of ​​legitimizing the order of JUDA ..- there are enough applicants ..

[igorra]

The Great Rodnina is so happy for her homeland that in difficult times, she has gone abroad to earn some money, which millions of citizens could not then. The homeland, by the efforts of those remaining citizens, began to rise - this madam is right there, she is already a deputy and again is crying for millions of citizens by signing the law on raising the age of pensions. And who deserves the rewards? Everything is subjective. We accepted, and bypassed athletes raised a howl.

[Lebedev]

Punish the innocent, reward the uninvolved ... Everything is as usual ..

[Sergey Horuzhik]

but I’m wondering: the indignant ZD magazine is able to hit the goal with the ball, hitting the goalkeeper? Or is it just the language of much? Shit, of course, to spit is always more convenient than dying on the field.

[NordUral]

Do you even read what you wrote, my friend. Maybe that will come.

[victor50]

Quote: NordUral

Sergey Horuzhik (Sergey Horuzhik) Yesterday, 13:24
but I’m wondering: the indignant ZD magazine is able to hit the goal with the ball, hitting the goalkeeper? Or is it just the language of much? Shit, of course, to spit is always more convenient than dying on the field.
Sergey Horuzhik
3 NordUral (Eugene) Yesterday, 16:16 ↑
Do you even read what you wrote, my friend. Maybe that will come.

Will not reach! Newly made hamloe, writing illiterate, but suspecting everyone of a lack of education! Poor in power with apologists, since they are forced to use them.

[Sergey Horuzhik]

What, by all means, does the government pay me? So that I, the gentle oppositionists, are rude? Are you too sensitive and concerned about my own fate?

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Golovan Jack

No, I don’t want one myself, just interested

in the secret service you earn money ... or is it just an ideological tapping?
Well, well ... but a village with a hundred souls does not shine for you. Maybe on "merit before ..." - this is the maximum.

[tank64rus]

For a long time for the "elite" it is necessary to establish special awards such as "For the organization of the bath to the authorities." In England there is such an order of the Bathhouse, "For bed services" For a bribe ", etc. etc. But ordinary people will wear their rewards honestly earned. After all, the reward is the respect of others.

[Black sniper]

In Iceland, the players were also awarded. state 1/4 awards and no one hi wai raised, the whole country honored their heroes, and we are always dissatisfied ...

[16112014nk]

Quote: For example

And then with his foppishness he lowered everything below the baseboard

They took an example from the Fed cashback.
In general, innocent people are often punished. And even more often awarded to the uninvolved.
At the 2002 World Cup, the home team reached the 1/2 finals. No orders and medals were awarded. Received earned from FIFA - and all.

[flicker]

Well, in vain Gamow raised this srach.

with Catherine the Great Gamova

"Great" - in the sense of high. Almost all of her skills came down to her height of 202 cm. There was such a basketball player, Ulyana Semenova. In practice, the tactics of the USSR women's basketball team came down to playing Semenova under the ring (everyone was just waiting for her to finally get under that ring). She probably deserves the nickname "The Great" no less.
Not everyone received the orders, but a great goalkeeper, an experienced defender and head coach who managed to create a worthy team - a team in which NOBODY believed, and many (as I think the author of the article) did expect a deafening failure in order to use this failure in political purposes. And Cherchesov and the guys did not give them this reason. These trolls have now come out.
So the guys are quite worthy of their awards, and it is worthless to other sportsmen to reproach them for this.
Z.Y. moreover, the guys said that they did not play for awards, and did not deserve to throw dirt at them, even if this dirt came from the mouth of the "Great" in the sense of high.

[NordUral]

Nobody throws dirt at the guys. It's about the awards and their motives.

[flicker]

Nobody throws dirt at the guys.

The guys tried as best they could (and it was clear that we were playing without doping, unlike others), they gave all the best. Cherchesov on the penalty shootout:

And that time, and this one after 120 minutes. I went to Zobnin, asked, in my opinion, he did not understand what was being discussed.

Those. the guys were cut down. They jumped above their heads, and let’s say Zobnin received ZMS, he was naturally delighted, and then all of a sudden the athletes colleagues started yelling at Zobnin, you didn’t deserve Zobnin, i.e. give an assessment of his efforts and skills. The wording “did not deserve” is addressed primarily to football players.
By the way, they didn’t play for these titles, and if they were awarded, then you need to congratulate them, and saying “did not deserve” after they received them means, to put it mildly, throwing dirt, but roughly means .... into the soul.
Z.Y. The guys earned the title of ZMS with which I congratulate them!

[Pissarro]

Amazing comments, pitiful envy is evident. Russia held the best championship at the highest level, this is a merit of many authorities hated here and thousands of workers, engineers, etc. Our team performed very well, as the team of the Union and the Russian Federation did not perform. This is a direct merit of the coach, who made a bullet from a known substance. He deserved the order. And to compare any other sport with football is stupid, football is the main sport of the planet, the highest competition, volleyballs and hockey are resting. But there is envy and anger, and I am ashamed of Gamow, who has lost her dignity, who threw this bile into the air. And forum whiners do not exult, they any success of the country as a sickle in the balls

[akunin]

Quote: Pissarro

This is a direct merit of a trainer who made a bullet from a known substance

kill - not killed, but stained.

He deserved the order

and salary and sickly?

Cherchesov’s salary is € 2,5 million per year.

as I understand the order from the bounty of the lords
https://russian.rt.com/sport/news/511394-cherches
ov-trainer-football
Zlatko Dalic (Croatia national team, 0,546) 4 times less

https://www.championat.com/business/article-34303
69-skolko-zarabatyvaet-stanislav-cherchesov-i-dru
gie-training-chm-2018.html

[Sasha_Sar]

Here I read the debate and the thought came. The people would respect Gamow even more if she carried her awards to the sports committee. Her victories would be no less. If at least a dozen athletes passed their awards, and the heroes of Russia "Star of the Hero" in the Kremlin. Maybe something would start to change in this country ?!

[Radical]

Quote: kunstkammer

Quote: Golovan Jack

No, I don’t want one myself, just interested

in the secret service you earn money ... or is it just an ideological tapping?
Well, well ... but a village with a hundred souls does not shine for you. Maybe on "merit before ..." - this is the maximum.

Do not distract him - he scribbles another admin denunciation!

[DED_peer_DED]

Masochism, some ... With this award.

[Cottager452]

There is a vague suspicion that all these rotenbergs, promissory notes have long been heroes of labor.

[DED_peer_DED]

The heroes of social life are “labor”.

[Dzafdet]

I do not understand the indignation of the author. Cherchesov assembled the team out of shit and reached the quarter-finals. A little luck and there would be a semifinal. And with the players everything is clear: they are wooden!

[DED_peer_DED]

So the order is wooden.

[Strategy]

Russian state awards are getting cheaper, and soon, probably, they will repeat the dull fate of the awards of Sazha Umalatova. That is beautiful, but funny.

About Umalatova is not funny: her rewards for the loyalty of the Great Stainless, albeit already non-existent, for services to this Power.
I don’t even want to talk about “Heroes”, even NEMakarov, Bulgakov, soldiers awarded from among the military ...

[Tochilka]

I propose to make a survey here on the merits and answer whether they are worthy of the title or not.

[akunin]

Hiddink, in general, a hero of Russia (if Cherchesov has “Alesander Nevsky”). I praise the team: even if they didn’t win, they fought, for that I bow to them. Putin took advantage of the situevina, saddled the little hunchbacked horse and “Ostap got carried away...” he should have congratulated him, given him some money or a car, but there was too much of an order on his master’s chest.

[Pissarro]

Putin took advantage of the situation

He created this situation. Knocked out the World Cup in Russia, created the infrastructure, held it at an unattainable level, breaking through the blockade and gaining reputation points.

[akunin]

Quote: Pissarro

created the infrastructure, carried it out at an unattainable level, breaking through the blockade and gaining reputation points.

Vladimir is a builder? Dear, what about the people? (with whose money and with whose hands all this was created). Please

reputation points

for more details. lifted sanctions? recognized Crimea? ended the war in Donbass? etc.? within the country, the reputation was covered with a copper basin after the VAT of 20%, after the intensive promotion of the new retirement age and the “detachment” of the guarantor from these problems.

[Pissarro]

Fairy-tale stories that the people organize themselves, collect money and build the Trans-Siberian Railway, BAM, Dneproges, win wars and impose their will on the enemy in spite of stupid leaders are good for the XNUMXth Congress of the CPSU or the spark of perestroika. Anyone who has led a team of at least three people knows what will happen to the work process if you leave it to its own devices and entrust it to the people.

Regarding your reputation, you probably slept through the championship and didn’t see what was happening. Although you are most likely in a state of denial of reality

[akunin]

Quote: Pissarro

are in a state of denial of reality

I can also say about you.

reputation points

Besides the joy of foreign fans and Putin’s invitation to visit Croatia, did you notice? I understand that the people themselves do not organize, but the guarantor gave a general vector, and the oligarchs built it.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Loess,

Quote: Less

If it is so important for you to impose YOUR opinion on me, then take the trouble to find arguments more convincing than a simple play on words

For me, this is completely unprincipled; if you prefer to be a powerless slave under the master - your right, I don’t dare dissuade you. We have a free country (at least in THIS regard for sure). And what can we talk about if the basics of law for you are a play on words?

[ver_]

Quote: igorra

The Great Rodnina is so happy for her homeland that in difficult times, she has gone abroad to earn some money, which millions of citizens could not then. The homeland, by the efforts of those remaining citizens, began to rise - this madam is right there, she is already a deputy and again is crying for millions of citizens by signing the law on raising the age of pensions. And who deserves the rewards? Everything is subjective. We accepted, and bypassed athletes raised a howl.

...abcheto - there are enough athletes in the Duma, it’s strange that there are no God’s chosen ones - however, the head in sports is an extra element .. - sports are a dime a dozen among Jews ...

[victor50]

I liked this team! I refused to watch the previous one since the previous World Cup. The guys, of course, still have to gain skills (well, maybe at least some ). But at least they fought to the end, and that’s very nice. And it’s all the more offensive that those who earned respect for their character and play were overthrown by shameful awards and titles.

[Rusticolus]

Well, from now on we will call all such “exceptional” ones Undeserved Master of Sports. The definition is quite consistent with merit.

[sxfRipper]

Horses and people mixed together... ©
Colleagues, I personally have nothing against awarding Cherchesov the Order of Alexander Nevsky. Taki managed to put together a team that cried until it reached 1/8. She didn’t take up any space at all! Masturbation with counting goals scored and conceded etc... is for the ole patriots and nothing more.
But I fully support Catherine the Great’s position regarding the distribution of ZMS titles according to the list! There are clear criteria for what achievements this title is awarded. These criteria were ignored! Euphoria, you understand. People is gobbling it up. It turned out that he didn’t steal it!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: sxfRipper

These criteria were ignored! Euphoria, you understand. People is gobbling it up. It turned out that he didn’t steal it!

before you spit, read the statutes, not the opuses of an absolutely illiterate apptor

[Rusticolus]

For once, these leg-spinners finally did their job normally (I emphasize, just normally) and are immediately heroes? And now I will be awarded the same titles and orders every day?

[yurikh]

It’s easy to write an article with indignation, but what if you pulled extracts from the Internet and you’re a hero, you understand everything, you understand everything. In reality, we don’t know who they gave it to for what. ZMS is a controversial issue, but after those years of fruitless play, the guys showed a good result. And it’s a shame for Olympic champions to complain. As in our country they are awarded such honors, there is no such honor anywhere else.

[Xscorpion]

. That is, if we take a formal approach, the President did not go beyond the law and the titles were most likely awarded to the football players as an exception, taking into account the fact that the national team has not shown decent results in the modern history of the country for a long time, with the exception of 2008, and has definitely increased its authority Russian football both in the country and on the international stage. Just look at the FIFA rankings.
So in this regard I am on the side of our President. But I can’t agree with the fees of our players in some major league clubs and consider them undeserved. However, this also applies to players from other countries, where football has long been turned into a business and not an excellent and spectacular team game.

I agree that the award was justified, it was the best achievement of the Russian team, which could not fail to attract the attention of the country’s leadership. As for salaries, the clubs pay them; no funds are allocated from the Russian budget for this. And the clubs know better what their salaries are pay, if a football player regularly brings profit to the club, then why not pay him a good salary.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I just remind those who do not know, the title of Honored Master of Sports is given in Russia for 1-3-place at the Olympic Games and for 1-place at the World Championships. But not for the release of the final in 1 / 4!

gentlemen, before writing your articles, study the topic, otherwise you look stupid, to put it mildly

Regulations on the conferment of honorary sports titles
I. Conditions for awarding the honorary sports title “Honored Master of Sports of Russia”
11. As an exception, the honorary sports title “Honored Master of Sports of Russia” can be awarded to athletes for their outstanding contribution to increasing the authority of the Russian Federation and Russian sports at the international level, demonstrating exceptional courage and skill

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Vard

Let's start with the fact that Mr. Cherchesov had no right to this order at all, as can be seen from the statute

"Dear" author, what did you drink before writing this opus?!!!!
According to which of the clauses of the statute Cherchesov cannot be awarded?!!!!

It's a shame. For orders, for those who were awarded them for the right and for services. It's a shame for that hysteria, which staged stupid fans ballping. It's a shame for all the cheapening image of the country.

It’s a shame for a previously not bad site that is going down the drain by publishing blatant unprofessional rubbish

[EvilLion]

Bad boy syndrome.

[Hadji Murat]

stupid ball kicking fans... but this is inciting hatred and, at the very least, a public insult to millions of people....

[Catfish]

Quote: Hadji Murat

stupid ball kicking fans... but this is inciting hatred and, at the very least, a public insult to millions of people....

Inciting discord between who and who? Between the “stupid ball kicking fans” and the same “puck chasing fans”? Don’t you think that world history somehow existed and progressed for thousands of years before the invention of football by the British? And for the “millions of people” who are stuck in the box while they are kicking a ball around, it’s time to strain their remaining polyflexes and finally think about what country they live in and who the authorities in it hold them to be. Although this is unlikely to happen, these “millions” have a soccer ball instead of a head, with all the consequences that follow from it. Those. without them at all!