Protest against pension reform. Zyuganov: the danger of a new split

In the center of the Russian capital, the most recent rally against the proposed pension reform by the government is taking place. Recall that on the eve of the CEC of the Russian Federation announced that it would not support the idea of ​​the Communist Party to hold a referendum on the "pension" issue. According to Ella Pamfilova, the question is not properly formulated, and she is ready to help her reformulate.

The Communist Party responded by participating in a mass march against raising the retirement age. On the eve, the head of the party Gennady Zyuganov spoke about the current situation:

The main contradiction today is the difference between foreign patriotic and internal liberal policies, which continue to ruin our economy. The main danger is the growing split in society, which is also transferred to the regions. 20 richest regions have revenues 7 times more than 20 poorest. What is wrong with the Pskov region, in which the salary is on average 70% less than in the Leningrad region?

Zyuganov calls the main ideologists of the pension reform:

I remind you, with the approval of Prime Minister DA Medvedev, the Communist Party faction did not vote for him. We have proposed an increase in budget for 10 trillions. It seems that everyone agreed, but they do nothing. We suggested not to approve Kudrin. Even from the pro-government majority of the State Duma, 100 people declined to vote for his candidacy, and they did the right thing! Today, Kudrin, Siluanov, Oreshkin, Nazarov determine the economic policy of the government. By the way, Nazarov is the main author of this cannibalistic pension reform. It is included in various structures under the government. This is a man who was trained in Canada, where he trained. Then he went to England, and today we determine the financial and economic strategy.

According to Zyuganov, strangeness reveals itself: the majority in the Duma favors raising the standard of living (including pensioners), fighting corruption, but at the same time, the pro-government Duma majority did not want to ratify the 20 st. United Nations Convention against Corruption.

According to the leader of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, this situation leads the country to a split.

One of the actions against raising the retirement age holds Sergei Udaltsov, who said that his procession gathered about 50 thousands of people.

From the statement of Udaltsov:

Now the action on Sakharov Avenue is ending, the police are behaving politely, there are no detainees. New protests will be held soon.

The organizers of the march called for making conclusions before deciding who to vote for at the regional and municipal elections in September of this year.

Comments

[Altona]

I welcome the popular protest and fully support it. Power itself rocked the notorious boat.

[Dashout]

I agree and fully support it (protest)!

[MPN]

Quote: Altona

I welcome the popular protest and fully support it. Power itself rocked the notorious boat.

And I welcome, only without Udaltsov ..

[prapor55]

For Udaltsov, you shouldn’t be wrong in such a way for people to mistake, maybe in 2011 he was mistaken, didn’t wonder why Udaltsov’s term, the new gapon for all the arts, only aayayay and even not always. I'm talking about Navalny, if not clear.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: prapor55

For Udaltsov, you shouldn’t be wrong in such a way for people to mistake, maybe in 2011 he was mistaken, didn’t wonder why Udaltsov’s term, the new gapon for all the arts, only aayayay and even not always. I'm talking about Navalny, if not clear.

If someone was an American poop 7-8 years ago, then he will remain an American poop.

[prapor55]

Pelevin, Babitsky did not hear? Maxim Kalashnikov is also an American turd? One needs to look at life more broadly, but more closely at people.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: prapor55

One needs to look at life more broadly, but more closely at people.

That's it ! More closely!

[CALL.]

Zyuganov calls the main ideologists of the pension reform:

[Mr Credo]

About the funded system, this is of course bullshit! How can one accumulate if the price rises ahead of inflation? Those (funds) who collect money for the accumulation of course profitable. After 40-30 years, either the donkey will die or the padish will move the horses! And you have their money today! We can talk about accumulation at zero inflation. But talking about savings with annual inflation is stupid!

[smile]

prapor55
I do not like pension reform.
Totally.
Frankly, I even thought that the initial inflated retirement ages in the discussion process would be reduced - especially for women.
I would do just that - first I would overestimate the age and then "take into account the opinion of the working people." But it is not important. Another thing is important - but what can you offer when the ratio of the number of officially working and pensioners is reduced to the extent that it is now? You know about the bias in demography. What is the so-called "Russian cross"? Do you understand that options are not enough? Or not ?, So what do you think should be done if previously there were four to five employees for one pensioner, and now two or three? I am convinced that you have no options ..... And the suspicion creeps in that those who are indignant want everything and a lot, but they don’t want to pay anything at all .... :))))) As always, the gorlopans ... .
2. A traitor is a traitor. What the daredevils, I believe, has long been clear to everyone who listened to him and asked what he had done. And he never ceases to be a traitor .. And when you try to raise this eeee ... organism. To the shield, the question arises - who are you, if you defend the interests of a real patented traitor?
And as for - it’s peculiar to make mistakes ... damn it, did he really repent? :)))) He admitted that he was mistaken, having been raised and supported by overseas owners? Yes, no ... I don’t seem to hear him admit his mistakes ... but did you hear? What really repented? And if not, why do you think that he considers his betrayal to be erroneous actions? :))) I would like to hear the answer ... :)))))

[MAGGNUM]

Yes, no one even thinks about the above. Moreover, 60-70% after retirement continue to work up to 70 and older. You look at the teachers in schools - there are many young people there. And all this stench comes from the fact that the dogs were thrown a bone and they dragged it. They will accept this law, they will feel a bit and calm down. 90% of these hamsters did not even try to find and read this bill. They believe in pictures.

[Mr Credo]

And how many 70-year-old loaders work with us today? By the age of 70, does 50 kg only become easier from many years of training? What about pressure, varicose veins, hearing, reactions, stamina, teeth after 50? We will hold competitions who will run 100 meters faster and lift more weight? What do doctors say about bone condition? Does age not matter? Are these stupid people in the USSR who made the TRP norms taking into account age?

[kitt409]

Though the pictures - do they somehow change the essence? Raising the retirement age?
Do they work like that, say? (
The difference between the ability to work and the OBLIGATION to work need to be explained? And where have you already created where to work? And, the whole rostrud will control, everyone is already scared) you might think, they will write in books like that, yeah, shchazz)

[Mr Credo]

Is this a comment against scientific technological progress? If one excavator replaces 100 diggers, is it unprofitable !? A hundred diggers will be deducted to the pension fund more than one excavator!

[Mr Credo]

What traitors are we talking about? Not about those who immediately called the United States after the election? Not about those who entered the WTO? Not about those who want to integrate into the global economy? And what are the names of those who work with offshore companies, and who should be called heroes? Those on the Forbes list? Who is the hero of our time?

[Svarog]

Quote: MPN

Quote: Altona

I welcome the popular protest and fully support it. Power itself rocked the notorious boat.

And I welcome, only without Udaltsov ..

Why without Udaltsov? Udaltsov-this is the leader of the "combat" wing of the Communist Party, so that they would listen to the party and this must be had ..

[smile]

Svarog
You can answer, but the Communist Party knows that it has a “combat wing”, which is led by the upbringing of our most inveterate probable friends?
The Communist Party recognizes that it has a "combat wing", which, if it is really combat, is nothing better than the illegal armed formations of the North Caucasus ?.
Sorry, but the Communist Party-a normal party. She won’t do it. On the little things, like a normal man, an ordinary oligarch, as a candidate - will do. It has a right, after all. After all, Grudinin was not prosecuted in connection with the expiration of the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution. So they have the right. And he has the right - since our law enforcement agencies have worked poorly ....
This is normal in a state of law.
But the combat wing ..... for a normal party in modern realities - this is abnormal. Or is the daredevil trying in this way to push the law enforcement bodies of the Russian Federation to ban the Communist Party? It won’t work out that way. The Communist Party disowns them. And transplant potential fighters. And all business.
Admit it, you yourself came up with this nonsense about the "combat wing", or did Zyuganov tell you? If you yourself - okay, God be your judge .... but if Natsik or you know whose henchmen really got into the Communist Party and created a military wing there, then it’s sad for the Communist Party ... But feathers should be pulled out from the wings - these creatures are no less dangerous than the Igilovites - they even have close goals the same - to ruin the existing statehood ... and then .... but there will be no sweat - we transmit, like rats, both those and these ..

[dSK]

Quote: smile

This is normal in a state of law.

According to Zyuganov, find themselves oddities: the majority in the Duma stands ....for the fight against corruptionbut at the same time the pro-government Duma majority still there was no desire to ratify the 20th art. United Nations Convention against Corruption.

The first time I agree with Gennady Andreyevich.

[Mr Credo]

Damn! Is the combat wing in Orthodoxy also a myth? But the FSB and the police is not a military wing of power?

[Mr Credo]

This is when Grudinin managed to become an oligarch? When did he get on the Forbes list? Grudinin has less money than Ksyusha and he is an oligarch !? And 400 million Ksyusha, is she a rogue? Do we all oligarchs live in the same house with the workers? Or does a servant live in a house of oligarchs? We do not have territories only for the rich (only for whites)?

[smile]

Mr Credo

Sorry to be late ....
And what, the huckster, quite awkwardly hiding his loot .... - the ideal of the Communist Party? Well, I suppose you already learned about the sad story about the wrong declarations?
damn, as you look at it, and seditious thought will arise-yes, damn it, Putin, a greater communist than all similar leaders of the real Communist Party in bulk .....
Pelyad ... disgusting .....
I personally feel particularly unpleasant about the excessively arrogant lies of the huckster Grudinin, who is trying to represent himself as a communist .... I don’t give a shit who has more money - from the sternum-huckster, from the Ksenia-horse ... or from their real owners - what, damn it, do we have a difference? Maybe they steal in different ways (the huckster is probably more, since there is more opportunity), but they are all the same sssssssotttttts .... such things .... they even have similar slogans ... do you think this is a coincidence? :)))))

[Serg65]

Quote: Altona

Hail popular protest

Is it folk?

the pro-government Duma majority did not have a desire to ratify the 20 art. United Nations Convention against Corruption.

So Zyuganov will be the first to fall under this article, lobbying for Hodor’s interests will be immediately remembered!

[New Year day]

Quote: Serg65

Hodor’s lobbying interests will be immediately remembered!

then someone will recall the lobbying interests of Sechin and Miller. Life is like that

[prapor55]

And such a life and the earth is round, it’s incredible only to be fools from the party in power. And among the people, grandparents of under-pensioners are already boiling yesterday such words in the yard said that I believed that I did not know all the salty Russian!

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Serg65

So Zyuganov will be the first to fall under this article, lobbying for Hodor’s interests will be immediately remembered!

how would you not remember the lies and lobbying of all sorts of interests ... from prokhorovyh to promissory notes, together with the Sechins and Potanin ..

[Captain45]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Altona
Hail popular protest

Is laughing People?

I went today for the sake of interest in a rally against pension reform. The leadership of the Communist Party rally first launched Zyuganov’s speech, then indignant citizens and the main message went - down with the anti-people government and the President, who did not keep his promises. He stood, listened, when it came to “down”, I think I heard it somewhere, then I remembered - 2014god “Panda get!”. Well getnuli and what's next? I asked one of the leaders - well, they defeated them, the leaders, and removed them. Then what? Who will come and lead? Well, naturally - Gennady Andreich, he is for the people and will lead to a bright future ... Nooo, guys, the Communist Party has already led me into a bright future. Do not want anymore.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Captain45

already led me into a brighter future. Do not want anymore.

Then you and EP, they have already promised the same so that Putin already shies away from them.
The CPSU tell you led ..ugu. It seems that you were in that CPSU rusty from greed ... I have a friend, now I’ve fled to Voronezh so that I wouldn’t spoil my face with shu = trigger .. well in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, managed to rot two enterprises. Yes, to believe in liberal values, exactly in 1991 .. Maybe someone lives in Voronezh. You’ll meet Leviev. I can brave the horn between the brains .. still .... secretary for working with young people in Zheleznovodsk was a shifter. And now you believe them, to this day.

[Captain45]

Quote: The Swordsman

Then you and EP, they have already promised the same so that Putin already shies away from them.
The Communist Party, you’ve been led by ..ugu. It seems that you were in that Communist Party like rusty roofing out of greed ...

To begin with, he was not a member of the CPSU and did not come close, so the redhead and the rest commies were not related to me, like all this shellup, that in the EP, the Communist Party and other clumps. Although he was not a dissident, he felt outward falsehood and tried to stay on. And about the fact that the CPSU led, so it led the whole country and me, as a citizen of the USSR, according to the leading and guiding role enshrined in Article 6 of the Constitution of the USSR 1977 of the year.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Captain45

me, as a citizen of the USSR, in accordance with the leading and guiding role enshrined in Article 6 of the 1977 Constitution of the USSR.

Exactly? When and by whom was article 6 canceled? Who is there and where have you-Yeltsin and K already led you? Well, so turn your questions to yourself, blame yourself.

[Captain45]

Quote: The Swordsman

Exactly? When and by whom was the 6 article canceled?

You don’t know the history of modern Russia, well - Article 6 of the Constitution of the USSR was stopped in December 1991 of the year, and the article itself was excluded along with the Constitution of 1977 of the year with the adoption of the Constitution of the Russian Federation in 1993. And me, just like you, of course, if you lived in Russia, Yeltsin and Co. led me towards capitalism. Well, he led me, but I didn’t go, but you apparently ran skipping, pulling up his pants. This is the end of the discussion because I do not see the point.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Captain45

You don’t know the history of modern Russia,

You don’t know her at all.
"Article 6 of the 1977 Constitution read:" The Communist Party of the Soviet Union is the guiding and guiding force of Soviet society, the core of its political system, state and public organizations. The CPSU exists for the people and serves the people. "Https://ria.ru/spravka/20100314/21385585
5.html

CANCELED March 14, 1990.
They pulled out a ridge from the country, received what they received. Teach History. And not interpret any tsipko yes swanidz.
All the rest of your writings, has absolutely nothing to do with me, you see what you are describing, you are ashamed to admit who you were running for ...

[sabakina]

Quote: Captain45

Yeltsin and Co. led towards capitalism. Well, he led, but I didn’t go,

Socialism hates you, they did not go to capitalism. Let me ask you then, where did you go? Into anarchism?

[Sergej1972]

This article was canceled back under Gorbachev, in 1990. By the way, see the comment below.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Captain45

but inwardly he felt outgoing falsehood and tried to keep on further

Well, except for the party (sometimes) falsehood, in the USSR there was a decent social sphere. Maybe it was worth going with a fake to figure it out? all the more so because the principles of the social state of value were worth fighting for.

[demo]

Do not compare Putin and Yanukovych.
I always thought that one state employee (Ministry of Internal Affairs, KGB, GRU) worth a dozen bandits.
For many indicators.
Therefore, the comparison is not correct.
Did you forget why the Rosguard was created?
Only one is not taken into account.
Any guardsman is a potential senior citizen.
And not everyone will resign as colonels and generals.
And everyone has parents - older people.
And conversations in families do not strengthen a person's desire to drive those who come up with the same demands as their hard-earned father and mother.
This is the cornerstone.
For which the unshakable power of GDP can cling to and collapse.
And so everything is well calculated.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: demo

And so everything is well calculated.

Yeah .. there is such an opinion .. this government, after a resounding victory in the presidential election, was collected exclusively for retirement stabbing, like a damper. If the reform of the pension genocide of Russians can be carried through without costs, then this collective will wisely distort the country further, about the same as it was with Viktor Stakanovich. And if the people still rebel, then this whole company will be easily sacrificed. Something like Kindersurprise Kirienka covered default. History repeats itself.
http://zavtra.ru/blogs/ya_ne_uveren_chto_pravitel
_stvo_dozhivet_do_noyabr_skih_prazdnikov

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: The Swordsman

Yeah .. there is such an opinion .. this government, after a resounding victory in the presidential election, was collected exclusively for retirement stabbing, like a damper.

Rather, the gentlemen act according to well-known manuals: "unpopular reforms should be carried out at a high rating of the authorities." The guarantor rating will drop critically - reform may be slowed down.

[Svarog]

Quote: demo

Do not compare Putin and Yanukovych.
I always thought that one state employee (Ministry of Internal Affairs, KGB, GRU) worth a dozen bandits.

That's for sure, Putin is worth a hundred bandits ..

Quote: demo

For which the unshakable power of GDP can cling to and collapse.
And so everything is well calculated.

Putin calculated

[123456789]

Quote: demo

And everyone has parents - older people.

To recruit orphans to the Russian Guard

[Fox]

Quote: demo

I always thought that one state employee (Ministry of Internal Affairs, KGB, GRU) worth a dozen bandits.

and after the service I made another conclusion — a different bandos was more statesman than a general, such as Reimer ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Captain45

The CPSU has already led me into a brighter future. Do not want anymore.

And where does the "light bourgeois" country "United Russia" lead to? Edrosky Yar do you want?

[Mr Credo]

But has capitalism already or not yet led to a brighter future? Cars and sausage today is not ideal? A free travel abroad of Russia?

[White and fluffy]

Dear Yuri !!! if you don’t want a bright future, you will end up in an electronic concentration camp.

[White and fluffy]

I objected to Yuri but for some reason the comment was printed on ...

[Stas157]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Altona

Hail popular protest

Is it folk?

Do you think aligarchic? Thinly noticed, damn, but I did not think!

[dSK]

Quote: Serg65

Zyuganov is the first to fall under this article.

In an adequate state retroactive law does not have.

[Gradus HuK]

Have to answer for anti-people laws!

[KLV2018]

Quote: Altona

I welcome the popular protest and fully support it. Power itself rocked the notorious boat.

but they give out medals to the footballers.
need a tribunal for St. Petersburg. and the new Nuremberg trial.

[Phil77]

Well, then you got to the bottom of the players! They played with dignity badly, wouldn’t leave the group again wrong! They are in no way involved in this action, let's not be distracted. And will the St. Petersburg tribunal arrange themselves?

[KLV2018]

Quote: Phil77

Well, then you got to the bottom of the players! They played with dignity badly, wouldn’t leave the group again wrong! They are in no way involved in this action, let's not be distracted. And will the St. Petersburg tribunal arrange themselves?

no of course, but the time will come.
and the skills of the foot-ball players will soon be tested by the Champions League.
and Akinfey will have a new record.

[123456789]

Quote: Phil77

Well, then you got to the bottom of the players! They played with dignity badly, wouldn’t leave the group again wrong! They are in no way involved in this action, let's not be distracted. And will the St. Petersburg tribunal arrange themselves?

The revolution devours its children The words spoken before the execution by the famous figure of the Great French Revolution, Georges Jacques Danton (1759-1794). He became one of many victims who died from recent associates.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I welcome the popular protest and fully support it. Power itself rocked the notorious boat.

You need to stop talking nonsense ... The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has already ruined the USSR, and now instead of discussing this reform with specialist economists, they just decided to get political dividends ...

Zyuganov - just mediocrity and a fool ...

In Russia there are 145 million people 42 million pensioners in Russia, in Japan, with their life expectancy and economic level at 127 million people 30,8 million pensioners !!! And also the public debt is more than 200% !!!

Do you even realize what nonsense you carry when yelling - that you are against pension reform? And why can you pay pensions only with figures and facts, and not with stupid slogans like the Communist Party ?!

Already today the budget of the RF PF — 7,1 trillion rubles and 3,5 trillion — is tranches from the federal budget !!! Of the 15 trillions of the federal budget, 20% is pensions, and tomorrow you will have to pay more and more to retire spending on the army and navy, on the development of infrastructure, science and everything else !!!

And what then to do if oil falls again to $ 30, you thought ?!

[naidas]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Do you even realize what nonsense you carry when yelling - that you are against pension reform?

I agree with you, but we must not stop at pensions, go further and cancel salaries, we need the population to work for coupons. After all, how many stadiums, bridges, palaces and other things can be built, and there will be something to export abroad, then it will be possible increase investment in the US economy.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

No need to exaggerate, pensions have not been canceled and the budget of the pension fund has not been reduced by a penny ... The reform only assumes that the increase in the total number of pensioners will gradually slow down and those who are older will receive more, and up to 65, and so most work ...

The working generation should pay pensions and the fact that this money is not enough is the fault of the younger generation, not the authorities ... Those who work today indicate a lower salary in order to pay less taxes, and the rest is received in an envelope or in general everyone receives black, and then they begin to whine that in hospitals there are no doctors and small pensions ..

[helmi8]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Pensions must be paid by working generation and the fact that this money is not enough is the fault of the younger generation, and not the authorities..

What are you talking about ... And where are the jobs for the younger generation? And where will retirees work with increasing retirement age? And listen less to those who claim that there were five workers per pensioner. Now there is one robot for five pensioners, and for one hundred - an assembly line. And explain to me - how will an increase in age affect pension growth, provided that the number of employees does not change? Weak?

[Genry]

Quote: helmi8

How will an increase in age affect pension growth, provided that the number of employees does not change?

Mathematics? Logics? ....
Just to the number of employees, the number of those who have not retired will be added. And the number of pensioners will decrease accordingly (plus income to the pension fund and divide by a smaller number of pensioners).

[helmi8]

Quote: Genry

Just to the number of employees, the number of those who have not retired will be added

How will it be added if the number of jobs has not increased ???

[Genry]

Quote: helmi8

How will it be added if the number of jobs has not increased ???

In Russia, the number of jobs depends on the number of employees. Guest workers are recruited unlimitedly.

[Mordvin 3]

[quote = helmi8] And where are the jobs for the younger generation? [/ Quote]
Yes, go to any store, there are guards needed. We have a thieving people. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not save, although now there are one and a half times more than in the whole USSR.
[quote = Ratmir_Ryazan] and before 65, and so most work ..

Do they work from a good life? And do not about Japan. There, for example, the same police come out in 65 years. And there are no guest workers. And with black salaries a problem. Is it difficult to put things in order here? And the progressive tax in Japan reaches 50%. And here the Accounts Chamber counts the trillions that are flowing offshore, and no one is moving. Still, it is easier to cancel pensions in part of the population.

[helmi8]

Well, listen to the powerful people shut their mouths ... Are there any other doubts?

[Galleon]

Well, to whom does this woman say everything? They do not care. I didn’t think that Tereshkova, Rodnina would betray us ...

[basal]

Yeah! Who told you that the working generation should pay pensions? Not liberal economists? No?
And who owns the bowels of Russia? Oh yes, the oligarchs. And those who plow them and must pay the costs ... We live beautifully, ladies and gentlemen! Who else do we owe in life ???

[Vadim237]

The subsoil belongs to those who deal with them: it develops deposits, transports, stores, processes, sells, invests in repairs, equipment, pays taxes to the budget and those who own shares in these companies - those who plow them - workers get paid , These companies are led by oligarchs. sponsor the development of mechanical engineering, sports complexes and much more - So what are your presentations to the oligarchs?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vadim237

The subsoil belongs to those who deal with them: it develops deposits, transports, stores, processes, sells, invests in repairs, equipment, pays taxes to the budget and those who own shares in these companies - those who plow them - workers get paid , These companies are led by oligarchs. sponsor the development of mechanical engineering, sports complexes and much more - So what are your presentations to the oligarchs?

You see a foreigner ..?
Article 9 of the Constitution of Russia Text Art. 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation in the current version for 2018: 1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis for the life and work of peoples living in the corresponding territory. 2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.

Source: http://konstrf.ru/9
Famously 90 shahrais fussed, now the bowels of the oligarchs and their servants belong ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

So what are your presentations to the oligarchs?

Yes, such that they grabbed it all for nothing, like the Dutch among the Indians of Manhattan. How was Berezovsky and Abramovich suing?
- Is it true that you bought a company worth several billion for 200 million with other people's money?
That sniffs, puffs, and mutters:
- True...
Berezovsky is happy. The court question to him:
- Is it true that the bulk of your business partners disappeared in the middle of nowhere?
Now he pouts like a tomato, and squeezes out:
- True..
Abramovich rejoices ...

[Vadim237]

Well, at the expense of everyone, I would not argue that some oligarchs made their fortunes in trade - not in resources, in the development of IT and construction. All those who stole this money - they simply will not be able to keep it and increase it, like Berezovsky, in the end the thief became bankrupt.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

some oligarchs made their fortunes in trade — not in resources, in the development of IT and construction.

Yeah, like Polonsky. Abramovich also earned his first money from trade, it was necessary to cut down the forest under the road to the military unit, so he sold this forest to a neighboring village. And there was nothing to cut, the men drank everything themselves. Although, maybe a bike.

[free]

Quote: Vadim237

The subsoil belongs to those who deal with them: it develops deposits, transports, stores, processes, sells, invests in repairs, equipment, pays taxes to the budget and those who own shares in these companies - those who plow them - workers get paid , These companies are led by oligarchs. sponsor the development of mechanical engineering, sports complexes and much more - So what are your presentations to the oligarchs?

You didn’t confuse anything buddy? Read the Constitution!

[Freeman]

Quote: free

Quote: Vadim237

The subsoil belongs to those who deal with them: it develops deposits, transports, stores, processes, sells, invests in repairs, equipment, pays taxes to the budget and those who own shares in these companies - those who plow them - workers get paid , These companies are led by oligarchs. sponsor the development of mechanical engineering, sports complexes and much more - So what are your presentations to the oligarchs?

You didn’t confuse anything buddy? Read the Constitution!

It’s just that we “honored with our attention” by Mikhal Borisovich Khodorkovsky.
And he has a “firm conviction” that

[Vadim237]

The fact of the matter is that in the land of the people - and the acquired joint-stock.

[helmi8]

Quote: basal

And who owns the bowels of Russia?

[Vadim237]

And what kind of income they wanted to distribute there - if they had accepted it, the budget would be left without money, and all the mining companies without further development, there would be nothing for free.

[Setrac]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The working generation should pay pensions and the fact that this money is not enough is the fault of the young generation, and not the authorities ...

The fact that this very “young generation” is less than it should be is the fault of those same pensioners, someone at one time did not grow a replacement for himself.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

The fact that this same "young generation" is less than it should be is the fault

Do not shift the blame of the grief reformers onto the shoulders of the population.
It’s like you are guilty that the country with 90 suffered losses, including demographic losses, no less than from Hitler’s invasion. So there’s demand from you.

[Setrac]

Quote: The Swordsman

Do not shift the blame of the grief reformers onto the shoulders of the population.

Well, of course, "grief reformers" are to blame for the decline in the birth rate!

Quote: The Swordsman

It’s like you are guilty that the country with 90 suffered losses, including demographic losses, no less than from Hitler’s invasion. So there’s demand from you.

You confuse something liberal, I still studied in the nineties, served, and what did you do to improve the demographic situation? Because of people like you — there are no young people in the country who want to live “for themselves”, there is simply no one to support the elderly.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

Well, of course, "grief reformers" are to blame for the decline in the birth rate!

Will you say no? Can you prove it?

Quote: Setrac

You confuse something liberal

I’m not confusing you with anyone. But it’s not easy to prove to you that this is a very malicious audience. It’s impossible. So don’t bother with your legs and do not splash the monitor in an attack that is clearly not related to me " the exciting state of your psyche.

Quote: Setrac

I still studied, served in the nineties, and what did you do to improve the demographic situation? Because of people like you — there are no young people in the country who want to live “for themselves”, there is simply no one to support the elderly.

While you were “teaching” something there. How you served, and not gaining the mind. You had to eliminate some people, some where, so that people like you would not lose something at all.
So it’s not so loud about your dubious merits ...

[Setrac]

Quote: The Swordsman

Will you say no? Can you prove it?

Obvious things do not need to be proved, our government is to blame for many things, our people, if they are to blame for something, are the demographic problem, the drop in the birth rate is entirely the people's fault.

Quote: The Swordsman

I’m not confusing you with anyone.

These are your personal problems. Who are you confusing with?

Quote: The Swordsman

so don’t bother with your legs, do not splash the monitor screen in an attack of a clearly not related “emotional state” of your psyche.

Oh, how bent, respect.

Quote: The Swordsman

never mind

This is you so about those who defend their homeland, cognitively in terms of the concept of your priorities. It's so stupid to risk your life for the sake of others - your Westernist egocentrism was understood from the beginning.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

This is you so about those who defend their homeland,

I’m all about you.
And you do not pretend to be such a kind of Ilya Muromets, who pleases Russia, to boast of merits, and even imaginary ones, and your cries about your “merits” allow you to think so that you have merits., Minuscule .. it will endure everything. boast ... nonexistent .. But okay, something else is important.

Quote: Setrac

These are your personal problems. Who are you confusing with?

I didn’t drink with you at the Brudershaft, I didn’t sit in one trench, you’ll poke your wife at the same time, if there is one, for lack of find another object, and if you please, please.

Quote: Setrac

- Your zapadensky egocentrism was understood initially.

Your stupidity touches ... I rarely laugh like that. But in this case, everything that is described here is described as ivas, a true sofa anika-warrior. Merit with a gulkin nose, conceit above the roof ..
Can you prove that I have at least some relation to the West in general and the Westerners in particular?
Rather, you. If for that matter, you can safely build into the "Crimean officers", or rather it will.

[Setrac]

Quote: The Swordsman

you do not pretend to be such a kind of Ilya of Muromets, who rejoices for Russia, to boast of merits, and even imaginary

It’s all in your sore imagination, I don’t know what it pins you so.

Quote: The Swordsman

Can you prove that I have at least some relation to the West in general and the Westerners in particular?

But you don’t bother yourself with evidence?

Quote: The Swordsman

It’s like you are guilty that the country with 90 suffered losses, including demographic losses, no less than from Hitler’s invasion.

Why should I prove something?

Quote: The Swordsman

I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, I didn’t sit in one trench

but where do you go to the trenches if you have all the military

Quote: The Swordsman

somehow served, and not gaining mind

go to you zapadlo

Quote: The Swordsman

More likely you. For that matter. Feel free to "Crimean officers"

Pure shoulder straps are a clear conscience.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

in a sore imagination

You are self-critical about yourself.

Quote: Setrac

But you don’t bother yourself with evidence?

you forgot how to read .....?

Quote: Setrac

Why should I prove something?

Because you are trying to lie and dodge, I remember here. I don’t remember, it’s not solid, but it gives you a person who is not too educated.

Quote: Setrac

but where do you go to the trenches if you have all the military

I, unlike you, had to be there. You are a rude type who seems to have been far from those places. Where it is quite possible to get something worse than a jerk to a pot from an ensign. Commander VO.

Quote: Setrac

go to you zapadlo

Poke if you please your spouse or what replaces her to you.

Quote: Setrac

Pure shoulder straps are a clear conscience.

Mediocrity is always trying to glorify itself, although it would be by quoting a purely criminal proverb that came to the troops during the time of the Khrushchev. After permission to take criminals into the army.

[Vadim237]

There is one problem with raising the retirement age - the absence of taxes in the budget from the work of 15 million people, which is at least 2,5 trillion rubles.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vadim237

There is one problem with raising the retirement age - the absence of taxes in the budget from the work of 15 million people, which is at least 2,5 trillion rubles.

The main problem is the lack of world-class personal income tax on 1 Russian citizens whose incomes are above 700 rubles a month. And the difference between the minimum wage and payment of "effective".

[Vadim237]

In fact, this figure is 7000000, the number of millionaires in Russia.

[Freeman]

Quote: Setrac

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The working generation should pay pensions and the fact that this money is not enough is the fault of the young generation, and not the authorities ...

The fact that this very “young generation” is less than it should be is the fault of those same pensioners, someone at one time did not grow a replacement for himself.

And again the slaves are to blame
And again let the whole system down.
Guilty for not giving birth,
New slaves to replace. (c)

I am 26 years old, my child is four, and I am not going to start a second one. Ask why? And where and why will I give birth to it, to which world, to which system, to this wild capitalism, or what? I do not want to give birth to slaves for today's moneybags.
Polina Nechaeva. "Soviet Russia" November 5, 2002 No. 100

[Setrac]

Quote: Freeman

And again the slaves are to blame
And again let the whole system down.
Guilty for not giving birth,
New slaves to replace. (c)

Take the spite to spite the oligarchs so as not to be a slave.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

Take the spite to spite the oligarchs so as not to be a slave.

Do you find the slave's fate sweeter?

Well, your choice is clear, Mr. Liberal ..

Everyone chooses for themselves
woman, religion, road.
Serve the devil or the prophet -
everyone chooses for himself.

Everyone chooses by themselves
word for love and for prayer.
A sword for a duel, a sword for a battle
everyone chooses for himself.

Everyone chooses by themselves.
Shield and armor. Staff and patches.
The measure of final reckoning.
Everyone chooses by themselves.

In the Russian language there is a clear naming for people who are ready to justify anything. For the sake of their owners, the word Kholuy in the Ozhegov dictionary
Kholuy, m, m. (Contempt). 1. Servant, footman (obsolete.). 2. trans. Same as footman (2 digits). || adj. Kholuisky, th, th.


The word Kholuy in the Ephraim dictionary
Accent: lackey

m. obsolete.
The contemptuous name of a person who belonged to the lower classes and therefore deprived of human dignity (in the speech of the nobles); footman, servant, boor.
m.
He who cringes, lacquers; low worshiper.
Used as a swear word, which names such a person.

The word Kholuy in the dictionary D.N. Ushakova
FINE (or halyuy), lackey, · husband. (· Contempt).
1. Also, that boor in 1 · znac., Preim. about the servant, the footman (· Dorev.). “Let us pray to the Lord for the longevity of the master!” said the lackey sensitive. " Nekrasov.
2. trans. Sneak, low worshiper (· simple.).
Everyone chooses for himself ....

[Setrac]

Quote: The Swordsman

Do you find the slave's fate sweeter?

Slave - from the word to work, and those whom you call slaves in Russian are slaves.

"This noble work habit
It’s not bad for us to adopt with you ...
Bless the work of the people
And learn to respect a man. "
Nekrasov N.A.

Quote: The Swordsman

A sword for a duel, a sword for a battle

A stupid verse for puberty teenagers, like a “sword”, “a sword”, but there is no plow and hammer in it, go work, it's so boring to work, but eat up all

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

Stupid verse for puberty teens

Undoubtedly, the teenager does not understand the meaning of what was said.

Quote: Setrac

"This noble work habit
It’s not bad for us to adopt with you ...
Bless the work of the people
And learn to respect a man. "
Nekrasov N.A.

But this is not about you and not about you.
about you here
The bakery smells of burned baking.
The butcher smells like foul meat.
Carbon monoxide gas smells stove.
The milkman smells like sour sour cream.
Smell the miners with burning methane.
The journalist smells like a dead duck,
As a perfume department ”prostitute.
The surgeon smells of an unsuccessful anesthesia.
The milkmaid smells of evening manure.
Shaggy scent smells of the skin torn off.
Cesspool ... You know how.

[Setrac]

Quote: The Swordsman

The bakery smells of burned baking.
The butcher smells like foul meat.
Carbon monoxide gas smells stove.
The milkman smells like sour sour cream.
Smell the miners with burning methane.
The journalist smells like a dead duck,
As a perfume department ”prostitute.
The surgeon smells of an unsuccessful anesthesia.
The milkmaid smells of evening manure.
Shaggy scent smells of the skin torn off.
Cesspool ... You know how.

“A pig will find dirt everywhere” is a Russian proverb.

[Freeman]

Setrac (Sergey) Today, 18: 26
Take the spite to spite oligarchs, so as not to be a slave

Do not wait.

[Setrac]

Quote: Freeman

Do not wait

Yes, I did not expect

[dauria]

The working generation should pay pensions and the fact that this money is not enough is the fault of the younger generation,

This is everywhere called the "financial pyramid." When the following pay the previous ones. And where did the money of the previous generation go? That's right, pro ..., ahem, they ordered .... But the other is good. This is a generation without immunity against capitalism. Submissive, silent, executive, disciplined. And for some reason the authorities are afraid of them. It takes time to become extinct. Fools. Here are young people from 18 to 30 - here is their mortal. Patriotism? Please, but money forward. Have children? Please, but money forward. Defend power in the police and the Russian Guard? Please, but money and retirement are 40 years ahead. Discipline in the workplace, labor before sweat? Please, but money ahead. Ah, whips, whips, unemployment? Oh well. They are either on the neck of the state, or they work for themselves. And they will remember the class struggle. They have immunity order. MONEY, then everything else.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: naidas

I agree with you, but we must not stop at pensions, go further and cancel salaries, it is necessary that the population works for coupons.

yes yes, this is exactly what Ratmir_Ryazan and his ilk will eventually come to.

Quote: naidas

After all, how much then can you build stadiums, bridges, palaces and other things, and there will be something to export abroad to offshore, then you can increase investments in the US economy.

Well, what are you really dreaming- Ratmir_Ryazan, cut in the bud?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In Russia there are 145 million people 42 million pensioners in Russia, in Japan, with their life expectancy and economic level at 127 million people 30,8 million pensioners !!! And also the public debt is more than 200% !!!
Do you even realize what nonsense you carry when yelling - that you are against pension reform? And why can you pay pensions only with figures and facts, and not with stupid slogans like the Communist Party ?!
Already today the budget of the RF PF — 7,1 trillion rubles and 3,5 trillion — is tranches from the federal budget !!! Of the 15 trillions of the federal budget, 20% is pensions, and tomorrow you will have to pay more and more to retire spending on the army and navy, on the development of infrastructure, science and everything else !!!

Respected! You are a victim of false pro-government propaganda of terry neoliberals in the power of the Russian Federation. They tricked you!
Everything is not at all how you write. You interchange the cause and effect between each other and come to completely wrong conclusions, which only aggravate the situation in the internal economic situation of the Russian Federation with all the ensuing consequences.

The hidden meaning of pension reform # Boris Kagarlitsky. Published: 29 Jun. 2018

[Vard]

Ten percent of the Forbes list income and all problems have been resolved ... why in France the tax is up to ninety percent, and we have six with dividends ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

According to Ella Pamfilova, the question is formulated inappropriately, and she is ready to help reformulate it.

oh you cunning zhezh ass! she doesn’t remember from school that "from a rearrangement of the places of the terms ..."

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

There is no tax in France in 90% and dividends in Russia are paid 13% as with any other income by individuals, and not 6% ...

[Vard]

And the truth ... they reduced it to forty-five ... but on dividends on a stitching ... there is such a loophole ... still 6% ...

[Vadim237]

What do you think that these taxes from the Forbes list do not pay income taxes, as well as personal and non-movable property - you are mistaken, they pay 30% of the annual profit.

[Vard]

But for this ... that would not pay taxes ... and there are offshore ... by the way there, and many state-owned companies are saved from taxes ...

[udincev]

Quote: Vadim237

these taxes from the Forbes list do not pay income taxes, as well as personal and non-movable property - you are mistaken, they pay 30% of the annual profit.

In offshore countries, too, 30% !!?

[Vadim237]

These companies only transfer profits to offshore companies work here and pay taxes in Russia - otherwise the tax will not go down

[123456789]

Quote: Vadim237

These companies only transfer profits to offshore companies work here and pay taxes in Russia - otherwise the tax will not go down

These companies sell products to offshore subsidiaries below cost. As a result, there are only losses in Russia, and all profits are offshore

[Vadim237]

If this were true, our budget would not have received several trillion rubles, but since the largest suppliers of raw materials are state-owned, there can be no talk of such a scheme.

[123456789]

Not in the eyebrow, but in the gla

I have good lawyers, and there is an excellent roof in Moscow.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

You need to stop talking nonsense ..

rather you ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has already ruined the USSR, and now instead of discussing this reform with specialist economists, they just decided to get political dividends ..

do not confuse the CPSU and the Communist Party, rather "edro" -the heir ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Zyuganov - just mediocrity and a fool ..

but who argues ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In Russia there are 145 million people 42 million pensioners in Russia, in Japan, with their life expectancy and economic level at 127 million people 30,8 million pensioners !!! And also the public debt is more than 200% !!!

and now, wise guy, compare the natural resources and the turnover of hydrocarbons ... yes, our communal apartment should be free ... with our population and resources.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Already today the budget of the RF PF — 7,1 trillion rubles and 3,5 trillion — is tranches from the federal budget !!! Of the 15 trillions of the federal budget, 20% is pensions, and tomorrow you will have to pay more and more to retire spending on the army and navy, on the development of infrastructure, science and everything else !!!

maybe you just don’t need to steal?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And what then to do if oil falls again to $ 30, you thought ?!

Yes, we thought that the economy should not only be developed in raw materials, and pipes should be pulled in all directions ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In your Communist Party have nothing to do with the Communist Party? ))) It turns out in the EP all the Communists fled ...

Russia has natural riches and more of them than Japan, but most of this in the earth is potential income, and in order to get it all this must be obtained and sold ...

Natural resources are not infinite and they belong not only to the current generation, but also to the future, and you need to spend this money not just to eat, but also to develop the Russian economy and industry to such a level that you can somehow live when the resources run out ...

Here, in order to get off the resource needle, it is necessary to develop industry and infrastructure, rather than stupidly gobble everything, simply because everyone wants to retire at 55, and not at 65 as in the whole developed world ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

It turns out in the EP all the Communists fled ...

Will you announce the lists or find them yourself? It’s obviously hard for you .. oh well. Read who you listed and who used to “work”. True, they were not communists. So ... a card-part-ticket from selfish interests, no more .
http://hrist-commun.narod.ru/commun_edinorossy.ht
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[udincev]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

So, in order to get off the resource needle, we need to develop industry and infrastructure, rather than stupidly devour everything,

Everything is correct. Only the head of government, in the fat, fat oil years, said: "Why do we need to do this when we can buy." Judging by current politics, this principle, despite the sanctions, the fall in oil prices and other prominences, has not changed.

simply by the fact that everyone wants to retire at 55, and not at 65 as in the entire developed world ...

You propose that all the sins of the government be attributed to unfortunate retirees who began to live longer (?), And in short to the bearer of power - the people (as in the Constitution). Are people tired of wearing such power on their necks?
Why, when the USSR existed, "the whole developed world" did not raise the retirement age, did not increase the length of the working day? The question is rhetorical! So what? Suddenly, from the nineties in the whole "developed world" of scientific and technological revolution and progress sharply turned back, did labor productivity fall? No. The USSR simply did not become and the transnational power holding in the "developed" should be received from this dividend, which pays for the expenses previously incurred in the fight against the USSR. And for linking the number of pensioners to workers and the size of pensions, one should ask the authorities that show their incapacity or antisocial (unconstitutional, since the Constitution speaks of Russia as a social state). I don’t know what’s worse, but in both cases they need to leave without severance pay and parachutes.

[Captain45]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Yes, our communal apartment should be free ...

HALYAVAAAA ..... An eternal dream ..... That by the pike command, then a gray wolf, then a humpbacked horse, but only if SAAAM, not with your own hands.

[naidas]

Maybe not a freebie, but like in Turkmenistan?

[Captain45]

Quote: naidas

Maybe not a freebie, but like in Turkmenistan?

In Turkmenistan, however strange it is, there is no fairy tale about Ahmed and a camel that fulfills all his wishes, but we have Emelya with a pike, Ivan with a gray wolf, etc., etc. You won’t believe it, but in Turkmen, as in Uzbek fairy tales, the Dekhanin waved a ketman, dug aryks, and for some reason, we sleep under a barn, then scoop up a bucket, and there and "that's where the suit went against me!"

[Setrac]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

and now wise guy, compare the natural resources and the turnover of hydrocarbons ...

An additional product is created by people, not "natural resources", people are the main wealth, therefore Russia is not richer than Japan because the population is comparable in number.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

An additional product is created by people, not "natural resources", people are the main wealth, therefore Russia is not richer than Japan because the population is comparable in number

What a stupid thing ... more than 100 billionaires, what are they creating? And half a million millionaires, what have they created? Ah ... the first was stealing everything that was created during the USSR, the second speculating or appropriating the lion's share of what people produce ... they settled down pretty well, they dragged Japan together. .interesting, but in Japan, people are paid the same kind of beggarly colonial wages? Can it be compared with Europe at least. who gets what and how much? https: //news.ners.ru/sravnenie-zarabotna
ya-plata-v-mire-i-rossii.html
Having 60% of useful mineral resources, having a second world economy for 90 years, you like were given the country to the level of the third world, what are you proud of? A lot of speculators? Merchants of different calibers? Is this the core and support of the country?

[Setrac]

Quote: The Swordsman

What nonsense ... 100-odd billionaires, what are they creating?

This is unknown to me, honesty and wealth are incompatible opposites.

Quote: The Swordsman

and half a million millionaires, what did you create?

And where does the comparison of the Russian and Japanese economies? Do you think there are no oligarchs in Japan? Well, of course, these are highly cultured Japanese, where are we-bast Russians! did you want proof of your liberal views? But they are all evidence.

Quote: The Swordsman

Having 60% of useful minerals

This is where these numbers come from - about 60% of minerals? 60% of what? From a spherical horse in a vacuum? When is the vacation to end so that all shkololo leaves the site?
You know how you can translate arrows, you can not answer, I already read all your answers and I know in advance what you say.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

This is unknown to me, honesty and wealth are incompatible opposites.

Random event. Regained consciousness?

Quote: Setrac

And where does the comparison of the Russian and Japanese economies? Do you think there are no oligarchs in Japan? Well, of course, these are highly cultured Japanese, where are we-bast Russians! did you want proof of your liberal views?

This is your nonsense-

Quote: Setrac

An additional product is created by people, not "natural resources", people are the main wealth, therefore Russia is not richer than Japan because the population is comparable in number.

What are you now refusing your words?

Quote: Setrac

Well, of course, these are highly cultured Japanese, where are we-bast Russians! did you want proof of your liberal views?

again the loss of reality .. consciousness left you .... unfortunately. You have obvious problems with understanding what is written.

Quote: Setrac

This is where these numbers come from - about 60% of minerals? 60% of what?

Well, those numbers for you. I hope that you are able to learn elementary numbers, and not pull out your favorite number, with, for example, indicating 1% of the world?
https://sdelano-u-nas.livejournal.com/9711957.htm
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Quote: Setrac

When is the vacation to end so that all shkololo leaves the site?

Do you have vacations all year round?

Quote: Setrac

You know how you can translate arrows, you can not answer, I already read all your answers and I know in advance what you say.

Well, again, you are self-critical about yourself, in a slightly allegorical form, for the sake of a red word, even a branded one, you recall it very much with your indefatigable boltology.

[Setrac]

Quote: The Swordsman

What are you now refusing your words?

You just need to read the dialogue from the beginning. There, a certain “Andrei Yurievich” compared Russia and Japan, supposedly Russia should live richer for more natural resources, and then a certain “Swordsman” got in and let's wave his sword, look, do not cut anything to yourself in your non-native zeal there.

Quote: The Swordsman

Do you have vacations all year round?

I told you - I know all your answers in advance.

Quote: The Swordsman

you recall it with your indefatigable boltology.

So you yourself have chosen a nickname, a swordsman - a man with a mark on his forehead.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

There, someone "Andrei Yuryevich" compared Russia and Japan, supposedly Russia should live richer for more natural resources,

Do you doubt that having a lot of resources, unlike Japan not having them, Russia should not live worse ??

Quote: Setrac

I told you - I know all your answers in advance.

To invent for me what I did not say, you are trying, it turns out crookedly.

Quote: Setrac

So you yourself have chosen a nickname, a swordsman -

You apparently do not understand the vennm business and the names of these or those fighters of the Ancient World and the Middle Ages, since you don’t understand what the SWORDS are, and what the Swordsmen are. Do not try to fantasize. You get it bad, learn at least something ...

[Setrac]

Quote: The Swordsman

Do you doubt that having a lot of resources, unlike Japan not having them, Russia should not live worse ??

I have already answered above - by which welfare is achieved - not by natural resources, but by supplementing. The mass of resources in Russia is a myth invented by the lebiroids to justify their assaults on the Russian government.
They have a warm climate - opened the window and the "coolants" were blown into the room, and we are forced to extract gas for heating.
They have small distances between cities - we are forced to spend on transport a HUGE amount of oil, cement asphalt.
And so on many points. They have huge resources, and we are forced to extract a LOT of minerals just for survival.

Quote: The Swordsman

To invent for me what I did not say, you are trying, it turns out crookedly.

Got stuck - does not let go?

Quote: The Swordsman

You apparently in vennm business and the names of those or other fighters of the Ancient world and the Middle Ages do not understand

And what is there to understand? There wasn’t such a military unit - a swordsman and that’s it, even get out of the way.
But there were servants - who wore swords for the warriors - the same lackeys that you talked so pathetically earlier, but I'm sure you don’t think yourself? So what remains - the bearer of the label - how do I know, maybe in the same way in Russian you swim like fish on ice?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Setrac

Do you swim like fish on ice?

Judging by the chosen manner of expression, you are swimming ... like something in a famous proverb, however you are not surprised.

Quote: Setrac

And what is there to understand? There wasn’t such a military unit - a swordsman and that’s it, even get out of the way.

SWORDS in the New Dictionary of the Russian Language Efremova:
I m. 1. A warrior armed with a sword. Ott. The servant of the knight, who carried his sword behind him. 2. Member of the German Ecclesiastical Order,

Quote: Setrac

Got stuck - does not let go?

yeah. according to your writings to see who and where stuck ..

Quote: Setrac

The mass of resources in Russia is a myth invented by the lebiroids to justify their assaults on the Russian government.

Sir, you are at school for geography for the fifth grade. Where did you study the presence of minerals in the country? Lesson, walked? It seems that not only geography, but also Russian.

Quote: Setrac

lebroids

The word is written-LIBEROID. The verification word LIBERAL ..
So all your nonsense

Quote: Setrac

They have a warm climate - opened the window and the "coolants" were blown into the room, and we are forced to extract gas for heating.
They have small distances between cities - we are forced to spend on transport a HUGE amount of oil, cement asphalt.
And so on many points. They have huge resources, and we are forced to extract a LOT of minerals just for survival.

Not worth a damn, you are here voluminously and unconvincingly. Tried to justify those same liberoids .. cache in my head ..
The realities are
http://geolike.ru/page/gl_4382.htm
And one must truly be a liberoid, supported by someone like you, in order to be able to manage in a country that has all this, to live so poorly, by exporting raw materials.

[Vadim237]

“More than 100 billionaires — what are they creating? And half a million millionaires — what have they created?” “Millions of jobs, and all of their companies create a lot of things, from petroleum products to software and high-tech products, the same thing to half a million millionaires - what would speculate, it is necessary to produce something.

[kitt409]

Yes, to speculate, it’s quite enough to buy cheaper and sell more expensive)

[cesar65]

But we built exactly the capitalism that the Soviet propaganda painted in its image.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

In your Communist Party have nothing to do with the Communist Party? ))) It turns out in the EP all the Communists fled.

it's in fact ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Russia has natural riches and more of them than Japan, but most of this in the earth is potential income, and in order to get it all this must be obtained and sold.

but who would doubt ... only the "seller" all 99% are lying around ...

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Natural resources are not infinite and they belong not only to the current generation, but also to the future, and you need to spend this money not just to eat, but also to develop the Russian economy and industry to such a level that you can somehow live when the resources run out ...

and what "developed"? what?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Here, in order to get off the resource needle, we need to develop industry and infrastructure, rather than stupidly gobble everything, simply because everyone wants to retire at 55, not 65, as in the whole developed world ..

in how ... people who have worked their own, are to blame for being alive. brilliant! they are also guilty of 20% VAT, but is it okay that in China, 16% VAT for their population? why are you rubbing your ears! pensioners, paid their debts to the state during their lifetime, it’s good to grind rubbish ...

[Captain45]

Quote: cesar65

But we built exactly the capitalism that the Soviet propaganda painted in its image.

Quite right, just as the CPSU presented capitalism to the people, so it built it according to its views and for its convenience.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Captain45

Quite right, just as the CPSU presented capitalism to the people, so it built it according to its views and for its convenience.

Hahahaha !! sir. you amuse me more and more .. This, for example, should be Yasin or Chubais, the other communists should write down different shakhraevs ... In that case, write down everyone in Yer-aliens, with Nibiru. It fully corresponds to your logical constructions.

[Captain45]

Quote: The Swordsman

At the same time, for example, Yasin or Chubais, the rest of the different communists there should be written down ...

But weren't Yasin and Chubais members of the CPSU?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Captain45

But weren't Yasin and Chubais members of the CPSU?

You are clearly an alien ... you distinguish the carrier of Idea from the carrier of the cardboard. Changeling adaptation? Do not distinguish? Well, exert yourself, turn on the reserves of the brain, think about the difference between one and the other ...

[Captain45]

Quote: The Swordsman

You are clearly an alien ... you distinguish the carrier of Idea from the carrier of the cardboard. Changeling adaptation? Do not distinguish? Well, exert yourself, turn on the reserves of the brain, think about the difference between one and the other ...

You are the same balabol as the instructor of the propaganda department of the CPSU district committee. Who, apparently, you are, only now in the Communist Party.

[Gennadich]

Congratulations, the question you did not answer and shamefully leaked .. The bearer did you

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Captain45

You are the same balabol as the instructor of the propaganda department of the district committee of the CPSU. Who, apparently, you are

When you are caught on complete ignorance of what happened and on lies. Something seems to be around you. You know the abnormal state of the psyche. So, you sit less on the Internet, it’s harmful ..
To refute what I said. You are not able. Consequently, you issued the whole tirade about yourself.

[albert]

Quote: Captain45

But weren't Yasin and Chubais members of the CPSU?

Just like Pu and Medvedev

[Doliva63]

Quote: cesar65

But we built exactly the capitalism that the Soviet propaganda painted in its image.

Someone from the "close circle" then said: propaganda, of course, embellished socialism a little, but it spoke the absolute truth about capitalism. So what was built here?

[udincev]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Do you even realize what nonsense you carry when yelling - that you are against pension reform?

And you? When yelling for increasing PV and manipulating numbers.

[Stas157]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

You can answer only with figures and facts, and not with stupid slogans like the Communist Party

Already today the budget of the RF PF - 7,1 trillion rubles and 3,5 trillion - these are tranches from the federal budget !!! Of the 15 trillion federal budgets, 20% are pensions,

Where do you get the numbers about 20% of the budget? Give sources! In the State Duma, deputies spoke only about 8%! And, 20% is all completely social obligations including pensions too. Unlike other countries, in Russia, there was always a disproportionate amount spent on the maintenance of the state apparatus and the power block, and very little on social obligations and pensions, including. In any case, in Putin’s last speech, he said that now there is enough money for retirement! But they say, in the future, if, thanks to the Rosstat, life expectancy increases, then there will not be enough money.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I welcome the popular protest and fully support it. Power itself rocked the notorious boat.

You need to stop talking nonsense ... The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has already ruined the USSR, and now instead of discussing this reform with specialist economists, they just decided to get political dividends ...

Zyuganov - just mediocrity and a fool ...

In Russia there are 145 million people 42 million pensioners in Russia, in Japan, with their life expectancy and economic level at 127 million people 30,8 million pensioners !!! And also the public debt is more than 200% !!!

Do you even realize what nonsense you carry when yelling - that you are against pension reform? And why can you pay pensions only with figures and facts, and not with stupid slogans like the Communist Party ?!

Already today the budget of the RF PF — 7,1 trillion rubles and 3,5 trillion — is tranches from the federal budget !!! Of the 15 trillions of the federal budget, 20% is pensions, and tomorrow you will have to pay more and more to retire spending on the army and navy, on the development of infrastructure, science and everything else !!!

And what then to do if oil falls again to $ 30, you thought ?!

Communist Party ruined the USSR ?! Stop talking nonsense!

[prapor55]

We just understand everything, it’s not clear only where your dad has already prepared a place for you in the State Duma or Gazprom?

[Ross xnumx]

The main contradiction today is the difference between external patriotic and internal liberal policies, which continue to ruin our economy.

What do you consider patriotism in foreign policy? Tense relations with the only fraternal Belarus remaining to us? Or patriotism, when all surrounding Russia are connected by purely mercantile interests? Or the fact that the former socialist countries no longer want warm, friendly Russian hugs and kisses? There is no difference. That in foreign policy selfish interests, that in domestic. And these interests are directed to the continuation of the genocide (bloodless and violent) of the titular Russian nation. The isolation from the life of power is so enormous that they have already ceased to notice the people "swarming" somewhere below. They are unaware that in regions where in Soviet times people were "kept" high in relation to the 1st belt of salaries, decent supplies and a huge number of jobs with the opportunity to earn. What is domestic policy? Do not pay salaries at gold mines? Or sell fish necessary for a healthy diet in an ice coat at a price one and a half times higher than meat? Domestic policy - is it when all the energy resources in the country are sold, resold, and they come to the buyer in a “wild, bully up” form? This is when people were divided into castes? When does a wallet rule? When is the police replaced by the police, and the latter by a social movement?

Impudent, soulless people. Why don't you get drunk in any way? Do you have little spilled blood and ruined lives in the 90s? You no longer understand that popular anger can be so merciless that you will be scared not only in any corner of Russia, but also in the world? Bloodsuckers ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ROSS 42

Impudent, soulless people. Why don't you get drunk in any way? Do you have little spilled blood and ruined lives in the 90s? You no longer understand that popular anger can be so merciless that you will be scared not only in any corner of Russia, but also in the world?

here we have ...

[Golovan Jack]

Blood, sweat, sand ... ahem, dung, and girlish tears ...

Quote: ROSS 42

Do not pay salaries at gold mines?

Can you provide a source of information?

Quote: ROSS 42

to sell fish necessary for healthy eating in an ice coat at a price one and a half times higher than meat

Is Putin to blame?

Quote: ROSS 42

in the country, all energy resources are sold, resold, and they come to the buyer in a “wild, upstairs” form

What kind of "resources"? Situations with electric power and benz, for example, are very different ...

Quote: ROSS 42

people divided into castes

Where is it? And in what is expressed?

Quote: ROSS 42

militia replaced by police

By and large, no matter how to call her - anyway she did her job. No? You checkers, or go?

Quote: ROSS 42

the police are replaced by the police, and the latter by a public movement

But in more detail about the "social movement", which is replaced ... polymilitia?

Quote: ROSS 42

popular anger can be so merciless

You are trolling here ... in black, I would say. And something it reminds me of ... Deja vu, you see la ...
PS: try to answer the questions nevertheless, and then your tactics - croaked, and into the bushes - already starting to bother me ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Already today the budget of the RF PF — 7,1 trillion rubles and 3,5 trillion — is tranches from the federal budget !!! Of the 15 trillions of the federal budget, 20% is pensions, and tomorrow you will have to pay more and more to retire spending on the army and navy, on the development of infrastructure, science and everything else !!!

You would know where the money from retirement comes from and you wondered where the rest of the money from the GDP accumulated in Russia goes. The budget does not provide for pension payments and is not taken from the budget. By the way, look at the size of Russia's external debt and the size of budget funds for servicing the public debt:

[New Year day]

Quote: ROSS 42

where did the retirement money come from and wondered where to go

here they go

[Energetik81]

About Japan, you boldly slashed it. They retire in Japan at the age of 65 with an average life expectancy of 81,9 for men and 87,3 for women. Such is their normal life expectancy. And nothing, enough money, even without oil. And for 18 years, the authorities have beaten the bucks, they have not developed production, state companies have privatized, and now there is no money for retirement. There was a normal pension system with a funded part, no, you have to chop everything up, come up with a ball system, chop it up again, say that there is no money and we will not pay pensions. We will not: most men will not live to be 65 years old.

[Gradus HuK]

Ratmir_Ryazan Today, 15:38 And what then to do if oil falls again to $ 30 you thought ?! STEAL cease holding power!

[olimpiada15]

Ratmir_Ryazan, contributions to the pension fund must be paid just like now in%, but with the wage bill, the wage fund, because if the salary is distributed as follows: 100 ordinary employees 12 thousand each, and 10 managers 1 million each, total (12,000 * 100 + 66,3 * 10) * 0.22 + (1000-66,3) * 0,1 = 1198 thousand per month, with wages (12 * 100 + 1000 * 10) * 0,22 = 2464 thousand, it turns out in two times more will come to the FIU if contributions are charged from the wage bill. What does the difference in s / n, even in government agencies is unjustified. For example, a scandal - the last surgeon leaves the district hospital, because the salary is small, and patients from villages come day and night, for health reasons, i.e. worked the day, and at night they call and it does not pay. It turned out that the wage bill was spent on 4 administrators, relatives of the head physician, but there was no money for doctors. Who is paid ten times more? Yes, those who play solitaire in the office, or like Mary and her friends in a major. As a result, the pension for those who conscientiously worked out 40 years, often lost their health due to hard work, does not reach the minimum, and there is an additional payment from the FIU. And the second consequence, an ordinary person s / n spends mainly on domestic goods, stimulating demand, developing production, and majors spend a million on Western goods, because production in the country is waning. So the government is obliged to regulate these issues, they receive big salaries and privileges for the state to develop, and not serve the West, but they do not care about the country, which is why the people are indignant. Old age comes to a person and it is natural, according to human traditions, another generation takes care of the elderly, but what kind of torment do people from the Russian Federation expect? Salaries low, inflation eats up scanty accumulations. In the USSR, 10 to 20 rubles / month. it was possible to save up money for a cooperative apartment without tension - the money remained solvent, and a monthly salary in the Russian Federation in 5 years would become a modest dinner, i.e. 80% of the population are not able to save up for old age. And the young generation solves the problems of creating a family and children with difficulty. That is what we are talking about, about homelessness. If there is no short economy in the country, there is a colonial appendage of the global economy in which people have a place as long as they are strong, have a profession, become weak, have lost working capacity, and you are homeless. Having sold all the resources, investing budget money in big private business, whose profits flow to the west, and bankrupt enterprises and debts remain in the country, the government decided to build an economy on the basis of fees from a population that has no decent salary, there are problems with work, and where is the country heading for?

[astepanov]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

tomorrow you will have to give retirement more and more to reduce spending on the army and navy, on the development of infrastructure, science and everything else !!!

This is demagogy. There are more siloviks in Russia than in the USSR, together with the republics - and they do not produce anything, but they retire early. And the point is from them: they can sweep the old woman at the rally, and stop the drug trafficking, or they can put a thief like Serdyukov. They would be silent about science: our science is the Skolkovo and Rusnano laundries, and the RAS was turned into a laughing stock, the higher education system was essentially destroyed, and the university science died even without convulsions. . Latent unemployment is the wildest, in the province the most common job is trading on the market for 200 rubles a day, the most common profession in the country is the security guard. What do the guards do? How many guards were in the USSR?
To hell with money in the country, it is worth introducing a progressive tax - and there is enough money for everything. Yes, even return the money from offshore. The Chinese can squeeze their thieves, while our thieves are protected by the state. Legitimate, you say? Well, so deputies accept laws under themselves.
Pension reform is carried out privately, other options for improving the living standards of pensioners are not considered, only two remain: to die in poverty or die at work. No economic calculations were given, there was no open discussion. To this music, figures like Navalny and Zyuganov dance - and people begin to believe them. And it can end with a lot of blood, and not because of the reform, but because of the chronic lies of Medvedev and his camarilla. And Putin, too, has an increasingly pale look.
By the way, why shouldn’t the servants of the people be equal with the people they care about so much in pensions, why shouldn’t they be tied to the national average, say, two average for the deputy snout, three for the ministerial, four for the prime minister? After all, do not agree ....

[GibSoN]

In Russia there are 145 million people 42 million pensioners in Russia, in Japan, with their life expectancy and economic level at 127 million people 30,8 million pensioners !!! And also the public debt is more than 200% !!!
Do you even realize what nonsense you carry when yelling - that you are against pension reform?

It's like him .. who are you? Representative of authority? What do I personally and, in general, all the rest care about the sexual difficulties of the authorities? They sit there for what, so that the people would give them advice on how to work? Study the constitution. They have long been out of line with their position. Everything else, lyrics!

[Svarog]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In Russia there are 145 million people 42 million pensioners in Russia, in Japan, with their life expectancy and economic level at 127 million people 30,8 million pensioners !!! And also the public debt is more than 200% !!!

You mixed all liberal values ​​in a heap and try to pass off as the only correct reality ..
1. The ratio of the number of pensioners and workers is direct evidence of the mediocrity of the authorities in the economy ... For 20 years, children have not given birth, all the gains that they painted turned out to be fake ..
2. What does the number of pensioners have to do with it? I mean, where did you get the idea that workers should pay the pension? Why state then? And the natural resources that are the property of the people, where are the dividends from them? Here we are told that there is no money .. bullshit ..

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But today the budget of the RF PF — 7,1 trillion rubles and 3,5 trillion — these are tranches from the federal budget !!! Of the 15 trillion federal budgets, 20% are pensions, and tomorrow you will have to pay more and more to retire for the army and navy, for the development of infrastructure, science and everything else !!!

PF stolen, once again ..

[kitt409]

Why are you trying to hang noodles for us, it is precisely that the pensions were abolished ACTUALLY - who will receive them if many simply DO NOT survive physically?
and it’s not necessary about the FIU — there would be a good computer there, for the middle city and NOT such palaces that they walled off almost everywhere ...
Well, about the percentage of the salary that officials receive on retirement and the usual hard worker, which you DO NOT write, there is a difference at times, and the deputies do not offend themselves - their pension after 5 years is more than 40
So DO NOT NEED US TO TELL THESE TALES ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

what then to do if oil collapses again to 30 dollars did you think ?!

Are you sure you are shouting at that “hole”? Has anyone looked at the pension situation from a different angle than the ruling regime? A huge number of migrants work in the country, and a significant number of illegal-semi-illegal! Huge amounts are not paid by "entrepreneurs" to the Pension Fund! Following the able-bodied migrants, their families were trampled into Russia; it turned out that they can grab more benefits in Russia than the “native” citizens of Russia! My housewife, working in the maternity ward, is horrified: the wards of the maternity ward are filled with giving birth to “Turkic women”! In kindergartens, privileges for large families ...... "Türks" use this! And in the "government" they keep quiet: why should considerable benefits go to non-citizens of Russia? These considerable benefits are worth a lot of money! That's what the budget is losing! According to some reports, the number of migrants in Russia almost reached 10% ... A number of sociologists in the world claim that this "percentage" is critical, after which social tension, instability appears in the society (country)! The current regime of power wants to postpone the retirement age at a time when age discrimination has long prevailed in labor hiring! The problem of labor resources can be tried to be solved by creating, for example, municipal unitary enterprises (MUPs), where to attract retirees who wish to work. In life, it happens that an enterprise becomes "not profitable" ... goes bankrupt ... problems arise. This is not threatened by “retirement” MUPs or “problems” are minimized! In the event of "unprofitability" such a municipal unit may calmly suspend its activities for a while .... because retirees have a "float" -pension. I admit that my proposal is not a panacea; but this is an example that you can look for other solutions and, probably, they can be found! But the ruling regime behaves like a "famous" official with an organ in his head instead of the brain!

[Sergej1972]

I think we must confront our people with an honest choice - either a very small pension and retirement at 55 for women and 60 for men, or an increase in pension with a simultaneous increase in the retirement age. Although I myself, frankly, would choose the first option.)

[ludrosia]

I also welcome and join the protest against raising the retirement age.

[sib.ataman]

The pot slowly but surely boils!

[Boa kaa]

The tsar’s father vowed to tackle internal problems ... But again he entrusted everything to Plyushev and his Petersburg assistants with liberoid views and beliefs ... And then he will say that he was misunderstood.
In fact, he says beautifully ... It remains to show will and get down to business: to establish life in his country, and not to deal with Gazprom’s problems abroad. (Although this also needs to be done.) IMHO.

[KLV2018]

Quote: BoA KAA

The tsar’s father vowed to tackle internal problems ... But again he entrusted everything to Plyushev and his Petersburg assistants with liberoid views and beliefs ... And then he will say that he was misunderstood.
In fact, he says beautifully ... It remains to show will and get down to business: to establish life in his country, and not to deal with Gazprom’s problems abroad. (Although this also needs to be done.) IMHO.

Tryndet, do not toss the bags.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The tsar’s father vowed to tackle internal problems ... But again he entrusted everything to Plyushev and his St. Petersburg assistants with liberoid views and beliefs

hard capra ... glad to see you! Hello Sasha!

[prapor55]

Has Gazprom solved the problem abroad like Shoigu or, isn’t it?

[Altona]

Quote: MPN

And I welcome, only without Udaltsov ..

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Now everyone is protesting, the Communists, the Left Front, the Right-wing Russians, the liberal non-systemicists of Navalny. Now it will be massive. Sergei, in principle, though he is PR himself, but he is well done as an organizer. Well anneals. Now is not the time to share the protest. The authorities themselves will begin to send in provocateurs and break up the protest. The Communist Party of course worked poorly; there are no mass rallies anywhere. The authorities quickly stifled the protest under all pretexts.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Altona

Now everyone is protesting, the Communists, the Left Front, the Right-wing Russians, the liberal non-systemicists of Navalny. Now it will be massive.

Eugene, there is nothing better than catching fish in troubled waters ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Altona

The authorities quickly stifled the protest under all pretexts.

Of course ... in our town, a place of protest was allocated places on the most remote outskirts of the town, nothing goes there.
But in the center there are beer stalls and restaurants and bureaucrats' offices .. how can they allow a rally against slavery, and even in the center?

[Nord2015]

Quote: The Swordsman

.in our town, under a protest rally allocated places on the most remote outskirts of the town, nothing goes there.

We have the same. Weekdays, time from 18 to 19, and even deaf on the outskirts of the city. The cities we have are most likely different, but the authorities have the same scenario - to hush up and hide.

[Freeman]

Quote: Altona

Quote: MPN

And I welcome, only without Udaltsov ..

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Now everyone is protesting, the Communists, the Left Front, the Right-wing Russians, the liberal non-systemicists of Navalny. Now it will be massive. Sergei, in principle, though he is PR himself, but he is well done as an organizer. Well anneals. Now is not the time to share the protest. The authorities themselves will begin to send in provocateurs and break up the protest. The Communist Party of course worked poorly; there are no mass rallies anywhere. The authorities quickly stifled the protest under all pretexts.

You're right. I myself was at this rally.
The people came under different flags - from "black" anarchists, "red" - communists and "leftists", to "imperial tricolors" - nationalists.
There were "deceived equity holders", several small unions (teachers and air traffic controllers).
But Shmakov’s “blue trade unions” did not exist.

Communist Party of course worked badly

The organization of the rally was appreciated "by the C grade." It all started before the appointed time. Apparently because of the heat and so that people do not languish in front of the fences. I arrived at 12, at the declared beginning of the procession (although where to "walk" there, 500 meters and all), and there was already a rally, the beginning of which was announced at 13 o’clock. The people freely came and went (heat), therefore, "inside the perimeter" really was at the same time no more than 5-6 thousand. The bulk was in front of the podium (with an area of ​​approximately 30x200 meters) for the remaining 300 meters, people freely "flandered" in groups and alone.

[Masya masya]

Zyuganov again on horseback, however, like Navalny ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Masya Masya

Zyuganov again on horseback, however, like Navalny.

one on the imaginary, the other on the virtual ... in general, this is the same "horse" ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Masya Masya

Zyuganov again on horseback, however, like Navalny ...

Masya. Do you really put an equal sign between them?
And how do you like Andrei Makarov and Nazarov, a young man 35 years old. Who made pension reform?
Doesn’t it reach you that the bulk is a power project? In order to pop the Gapon, protest to merge or substitute protesters under the Criminal Code?

[Masya masya]

Quote: The Swordsman

Quote: Masya Masya

Zyuganov again on horseback, however, like Navalny ...

Masya. Do you really put an equal sign between them?
And how do you like Andrei Makarov and Nazarov, a young man 35 years old. Who made pension reform?
Doesn’t it reach you that the bulk is a power project? In order to pop the Gapon, protest to merge or substitute protesters under the Criminal Code?

Pop Gapon simply ours and yours, betrayed some, set others up ... the main thing is to earn ... how do these differ from him?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Masya Masya

pop Gapon is simply ours and yours

Before you write anything, take care to find out who they were and for what the penny got this priest.
Therefore, the analogs between hapon and bulk are quite true to themselves.
But the fact that you do not understand what is the difference between the Gaponavalny and other Zhirinov’s from the Communist Party in general and Zyuganov in particular, is your misfortune, not dignity., Unfortunately.

[Masya masya]

But the fact that you do not understand what is the difference between the Gaponavalny and other Zhirinov’s from the Communist Party in general and Zyuganov in particular, is your misfortune, not dignity., Unfortunately.
Communist Party in general and Zyuganov in particular, your trouble, not dignity., Unfortunately.

maybe somewhere, I don’t understand something, I just know that on this topic only the lazy will not want to rise ... Zyuganov-rating, Navlalny-grandmother ... to each his own ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Masya Masya

Zyuganov- rating, Navalny- grandmas ... to each his own ...

If you think so primitively ... then it becomes clear, your country is taken out under your feet, and you believe in fairy tales.
The topic of what? And what are you talking about?

[Masya masya]

Quote: The Swordsman

The topic of what? And what are you talking about?

Well, about pensions ... and then what? I had 90s ... I won’t go to barricades ... maybe I’m primitive, you know better from the side ....

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Masya Masya

I won’t go to the barricades ..

Are they asking you there? Or you’ve got so settled since 90. That you are warm and soft. But how is it for others ... are you not interested?
Strange people you are ... revolutions do not happen on their own, they are being prepared, and not those who you angrily throw accusations at, but those who do everything for the sake of indignation in society, even despite the instincts of self-preservation, believing that people are already fooled to insanity, is it really not clear ?? This is elementary.

[Masya masya]

I beg! forward to the armored car !!! lead yourself !!! elementalism!

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Masya Masya

I beg! forward to the armored car !!!

Climb. Do you know the address of the nearest armored car \ tank?

Quote: Masya Masya

lead yourself !!!

And so, yourself, from the sofa, no way? Everything is as if someone else, others, you are difficult to climb from 90 and you're already scared, maybe all the same yourself?
It's elementary.

[Masya masya]

Quote: The Swordsman

, you are difficult to climb from 90 and you're already scared, maybe all the same yourself?

well, you are easy ... go ahead! who holds you for the folds?

[air wolf]

Now no one will vote for EP and Poklonskaya will be taken by the Liberal Democratic Party, here the fun begins! And now, probably in the next election, Poklonskaya will be president, yet they want this woman)))

[freddyk]

Quote: air wolf

Now no one will vote for EP

So I laugh when "no one will", but pick up their 76 EP.

[Albert1988]

Quote: freddyk

So I laugh when "no one will", but pick up their 76 EP.

More truly, when she will draw them for herself ...

[freddyk]

Or rather, when she draws herself for herself.

Well ess, but the algorithm has long been worked out))

[prapor55]

Yer 146% was already gaining, here in the Omsk region the governor is walking as a self-effeminate, well, they have a new trick like this, LDPR and a growth party, it’s strange where’s the Communist Party? Just a coincidence or a deal? Wangyu turnout 15% with the victory of self-nominated edra with a stable 146%! And then what will Comrade Sue tell us?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: air wolf

Now no one will vote for EP

well, well, well ... you don’t know our grandmothers, they have already polished EP’s brains, except for her, they don’t know anyone .. and young people, ordinary, generally “put” to All elections ... here you are - "electorate".

[Captain45]

Quote: air wolf

Poklonskaya will be president, yet they want this woman)))

How do they want, where do they want? Although it is not harmful to want, it is harmful not to want, especially a woman

[Altona]

Quote: Masya Masya

Zyuganov again on horseback, however, like Navalny ..

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Navalny is just not there, he eats lobsters "for our and your freedom."

[Masya masya]

Quote: Altona

Navalny is just not there, he eats lobsters "for our and your freedom."

eating lobsters, keeps his hand on the pulse ... for him there is someone to tear his throat ... why bother yourself?

[Shahno]

Yeah not bad. But far to Trotsky ...

[Masya masya]

well, the scale is not the same ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Altona

Navalny is just not there, he eats lobsters "for our and your freedom."

as if Medvedev and a hedgehog with him, eat radish and drink kvass ... yes, it eats the same way ....

[BAI]

It must be indicated that the materials used are KP. It was possible to bring a photo with a red Cadillac.

[Vadim237]

Zyuganov show everyone an example - retire.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vadim237

Vadim237 (

Set an example and, together with a bunch of Yerovets and Liberal Democrats with other liberals, get out of the country.
Papa Zyu is bad, it’s not for you to judge, since it is intelligible to how and what questions he poses to the authorities. You cannot answer. Therefore, your dubious wishes from the discharge will pile up another pile of dirt.

[Vadim237]

If a dump falls, 260 people will remain without work, 27 productions including the Tactical Missile Arms holding will remain without an adjacency, and the budget without millions of rubles of tax deductions. And if everyone from United Russia dumps abroad, then you can expect economic, industrial and social collapse and a return to the origins of the 90s, since they are the owners of most large companies in Russia, like me, they all organize a business, look for customers, etc. You can leave this all to the entrepreneurial abilities of Uncle Zyu and the companies from the Communist Party, but with a probability of 99,9%, upon returning to Russia, we will all contemplate a gloomy picture, recalling the words from the science fiction film “Arrival” - “Want to Look at the Ruins”

[Egg]

So let them do their own business, and combine business with the Duma affairs ... and it seems to be illegal, no?

[Vadim237]

I meant those who support United Russia.

[Energetik81]

A holy place does not happen empty, bring it down .... I like to listen to effective managers, and have seen enough of them. Here everyone is talking about low labor productivity in the USSR, they just forget to say that all the profit from the plants went to whom? right, the state, and not 6% of the private trader as it is now. So the question is, what is more profitable for society for a nationalized enterprise with lower labor productivity or 6%? I think the answer is obvious, especially since these 6% go to the state all from the same enterprises that were once owned ...

[Vadim237]

Officially, all legal entities must pay 30% of the profits and are currently state owned: Gazprom, Rosneft Aeroflot, Russian Railways, VTB, Sberbank Vnesheconombank, Rosatom and others - what are you going to nationalize there, from 30 to 49% of the shares of these companies - so they there are owners, in the person of foreign companies, private individuals and small enterprises - this is an investment. But in the USSR there was no profit from the plant, there was a planned economy, the owners of all the factories, factories, collective farms and so on were the state, all these factories were factories and others, the state loaded orders with the orders, the final product of all the monumental labor, the state distributed - part of it was sold for border, in order to receive currency, workers were paid salaries. Unfortunately from the principle - I don’t care what and how much to produce, the main thing to produce - the USSR has collapsed.

[Dull]

Quote: Vadim237

If a dump falls, 260 people will remain without work, 27 productions including the Tactical Missile Arms holding will remain without an adjacency, and the budget without millions of rubles of tax deductions. And if everyone from United Russia dumps abroad, then you can expect economic, industrial and social collapse and a return to the origins of the 90s, since they are the owners of most large companies in Russia, like me, they all organize a business, look for customers, etc.

If I understand correctly, are you the owner of a formerly state-owned company, like many United Russia? Privatization in the "holy years"? Without you, just nothing? God, and they still rule us!

[Vadim237]

I have my own production and repair base in the Volgograd region, I started my business in 2007 and continue to this day. And neither my grandfather nor I had something to privatize in the 90s, the business began almost from scratch.

[Dull]

Quote: Vadim237

I have my own production and repair base in the Volgograd region, I started my business in 2007 and continue to this day. And neither my grandfather nor I had something to privatize in the 90s, the business began almost from scratch.

They entered EdRo in order to maintain business contacts and receive orders from the “feeder”? Maybe they felt like a new "master" and rushed into a society of their own kind? Money was found for starting a business. Didn’t party members help from the budget? I do not believe in fairy tales about "self-maid" in our realities, and even work in the defense industry. Now, all my life I need the "approval" of my benefactors. Are you sure of your indispensability? Change, if you go against the course. And not brave United Russia took away from such businesses. A little administrative resource and everything is normal. However, I do not exclude the possibility that you got the business from such a poor fellow.

[Vadim237]

They took a loan twice and no one took anything, I didn’t join United Russia, I just support them by what they have done, and have done a lot since 2000.

[Dull]

Quote: Vadim237

They took a loan twice and no one will take anything,

It’s a shame to say, but once I was framed by a raider seizure. The client brought a copy of the company’s sale agreement certified by a notary. I filed a lawsuit with him in arbitration and won it in court. When they washed the solution, the client blabbed that it was a "linden". I did not say anything, but told my opponent how to draw up a cassation. Justice has triumphed, but since then I have never contacted any copies of documents without an original. So don’t be afraid that they won’t take it away. For trouble, you don’t need much, and if you also have an experienced lawyer with a necessary judge ...

Quote: Vadim237

I just support - by what they have done, but have done a lot since 2000.

Have you ever thought why the principle of change of power was invented? Any irremovable power lives by inertia, it does not require updates and improvements, as a result of which it degrades and is destroyed. Thus, any monarchy and any other regime with irremovable leadership perishes. By the way, the USSR collapsed also due to "carriage races". You do not support that. Sometimes, you need to tell the truth to a person so that he realizes that he is wrong and has a chance to correct himself in time, and not to succumb to him, pushing him to the edge of the abyss.

[Vadim237]

I don’t get in touch with the copies either, I have good lawyers, and there is an excellent roof in Moscow.

[Dull]

Quote: Vadim237

I don’t get in touch with the copies either, I have good lawyers, and there is an excellent roof in Moscow.

So we have come to the source of your "approvals." It is not profitable for you to change something in power until it touches you. I'm afraid it will affect everyone, because after the riot in the country there will be neither "boyars with the lads", nor their families ....

[kitt409]

Well, a catastrophe will come if EP escapes)))
I must upset you - this is not so, "a holy place never happens”

[amateur2]

"Years to a hundred, we grow up without old age. Year after year, grow our vigor." V.V. Mayakovsky, "Good!". Medvedev, Matvienko and almost all of EdRo remembered Komsomol youth and decided to realize the poet's dream.

[Masya masya]

Quote: amateur2

Medvedev, Matvienko and almost all of EdRo remembered Komsomol youth

I will not part with the Komsomol, I will be forever young!

[Altona]

Quote: Serg65

Is it folk?

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Well, the voice of the Zaputin showed up, the patriot of Gazprom. He pulled out his wooden saber for the president.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

Zaputin's voice appeared, Gazprom patriot

The transition to a discussion of the opponent’s personality is the first sign of a lack of clear reasoning, isn’t it?

[spektr9]

Jack, did you extend the funding, you drown for power again

[Golovan Jack]

Are you at a dance at Altona today, or what?
In vain ... no one will appreciate, no hands

[spektr9]

No, I just love Jack talking to you, by the way, how are you?

In vain ... no one will appreciate, no hands

Give, Jack, for good luck my paw)

[Golovan Jack]

Well, here's another ... feed you for free ... free

[spektr9]

feed you for free

Jack, you’re completely lazy, at first you are barking that you will not attend topics about pension reform for free, now you don’t want to talk for free Well, you can die from laziness

[Gradus HuK]

spektr9 New ↑
Today, 15:17 Uhhh ... Pat the table! Have washed a doggie!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: spektr9

Give me, Jack, luckily a paw for me

Yeah ... and the key to the apartment where the money is.
I will give your wish to Jack, wake up here - we will discuss this with him.
But, I’m afraid that you won’t get off with one paw, it’s better to take a hospital one in advance ... you’re somehow not trained to joke

Quote: GradusHuK

Pat the ceiling!

Look - you will fall - you will completely deteriorate

[spektr9]

dogs somehow not trained

Jack I’ll give you a bone with an engraving "for pension reform" - you will immediately pick up on your back and roll over and belly substitute

Look - you will fall

Are you afraid that you will be hurt? Don’t be afraid, we won’t give you an offense with the whole forum, you are our attraction

I will pass your wish to Jack

Jack, if you’re still blinking in this body, it seems that evil spirits have captured your body, you need to call the ritual of egocentrism the most important thing, otherwise you will soon take control of your body and also start to resent all the people, can you imagine what horror?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: spektr9

can you imagine the horror

Few? On yet

[Shahno]

It hurt you very much ... "To defeat the enemy, you need to forgive him."

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Shahno

It hurt you very much ...

Not at all. I am on duty at work on a remote site, where a quarter with a month closes. In my free time I’m kicking a bastard (well, this one, for example).

Quote: Shahno

"To defeat the enemy, he must be forgiven"

It is right
But what kind of enemy is this? So, the troll is small, disposable

[VALERIK_097]

is there a quarter? ..... are closing with a month.
The second quarter last month ended, and the third why it turned out so short)))) You apparently were mistaken.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: VALERIK_097

You apparently made a mistake

They told me so. And my business is small - jambs in the data edit, on request, with the deadline "the day before yesterday"
But in general - the French office, they all are not like people ... maybe the truth is the quarter

[spektr9]

Few? On yet

Jack, are you going on a diet? I’m sure, again, you’ll break like today

[Golovan Jack]

Arrows decided to cross? Go ahead ... I’m almost kind today, order is at work, I’m sitting here, I’m kicking a bastard ... don’t be offended
Conde is working, on street 31, at home 21 ... a blunder

[spektr9]

I’m almost kind today, I’m sitting at work, I’m kicking the bastard.

Well, in principle, it’s clear why you drown for raising the retirement age, Jack

do not be offended

Jack, what are you saying, how can you, because you are entertaining such a wonderful forum, me. In general, the soul of the company ...

[Masya masya]

Novel!
when people do not have reasonable arguments, they become personal ... spit!

[tagil]

But dissident avenue of Sakharov doesn’t bother you, is everything normal with this? And he is right, show at least one MP not in words but in deeds.

[Freeman]

Quote: Tagil

But dissident avenue of Sakharov doesn’t bother you, is everything normal with this?

Imagine - YES.
Until 1990, the prospectus was called Novokirovsky. And now, only part of the avenue bears the name of Sakharov. Another part of it is named after Masha Poryvaeva - Participants in the militia of Moscow, partisan reconnaissance, executed by the Nazis.
And Sakharov himself is an ambiguous character (in contrast to the current "liberals") - a thermonuclear bomb for the defense of the country, he did this.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Freeman

Yes, and Sakharov himself is an ambiguous character (unlike the current "liberals") - a thermonuclear bomb for the defense of the country, he did it

It is ambiguous, yes, there is a physicist Sakharov, and there is a man of sugars, so a physicist is worthy of courtship, and a man by the name of sugars is not worthy of respect at all. Apparently, sometimes you need to remind some of what and who called for sugars to harm the USSR / Russia.
In 1979, he will publish a letter condemning the introduction of Soviet troops into Afghanistan on the pages of leading Western publications. Prior to that, he had not published such letters condemning the American war in Vietnam or the Middle East wars of Israel. And he will not condemn either the war of England and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, or the American invasion of Granada or Panama.

As a true intellectual and humanist, he knew how to condemn only his country. Obviously, believing that the condemnation of other countries is the business of their intellectuals and humanists.
https://sovsojuz.mirtesen.ru/blog/43412420170/Agr
essivnyiy-gumanist- (ADSaharov)
Remember what rubbish this humanist was grinding from the rostrum of the Congress, about the actions of the Army in Afghanistan
a sketch from nature ... of a humanist .. "In 1982, young artist Sergey Bocharov, enchanted by the legend of the" freedom fighter ", would come to Gorky to Gorky - he wanted to paint a portrait of the" people's protector. "Only he would see something completely different from the legend : "Andrei Dmitrievich sometimes even praised the USSR government for some successes. Now I don’t remember what it is for. But for every such remark he immediately got a slap on the bald head from his wife. While I was writing the sketch, Sakharov got at least seven times. this world star resignedly smashed s, and it was evident that he was used to them. ""

[Movement]

Altona
Well, the voice of the Zaputin showed up, the patriot of Gazprom. He took out his wooden saber for the president

And people like you always hang labels on people who have a different opinion.
How dare they!
They express a different opinion that differs from mine and my associates.
Well, surely the bots of the Kremlin are not otherwise.

[Radical]

Quote: Vadim237

Zyuganov show everyone an example - retire.

Sooner still - Homeland is in danger!

[spektr9]

It seems that people are beginning to realize that if they sit at one point and not go out like this, they will accept serfdom

[saigon]

The people are starting, but the power is something that they can’t understand.
I don’t understand only from the excess of mind, or because of the lack of it, the funny guys ruin the latter, which still connected the people, citizens with them.
In connection with the peculiarity of the formation of the Russian state, faith in the good tsar and goats of boyars is present in the mentality (change the tsar for the president, there is only one) and, so to speak, the boyars we will call them so they killed faith in the tsar. The subtle nuances of psychology should be taken into account above the so-called boyars' forces, and history is not alright.
In general, the country was split by a belief in power and its justice collapsed and this is bad.
All the arguments of the authorities are not perceived (and how to accept for truth the nonsense that the reform supporters bear) Now, bring not even good arguments will not be useless.

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

The transition to a discussion of the opponent’s personality is the first sign of a lack of clear reasoning, isn’t it?

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What argument is needed for you? You yourself are the first rude "with a head out of order", "there is no logic." So go for a walk with your dog in the garbage can, look for arguments in the rubbish bins of Putin and Medvedev. And besides, you are a "business optimizer." You need excessive socialization knife to the throat.
PS Again decided to stand up for the IMF and the World Bank? Argumentator pancake.

[Golovan Jack]

Hamite, Altona. And it is often fraught sideways
In addition, I repeat:

Quote: Golovan Jack

The transition to a discussion of the opponent’s personality is the first sign of a lack of clear argument

We’d have a rest for a week or something ... you are our fighter with a redhead, ardent and tireless

[Altona]

Quote: Vadim237

Zyuganov show everyone an example - retire.

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Rashkin is better.

[solzh]

Quote: Altona

Rashkin is better.

Totally agree but, in my opinion, he should not be the head of the Communist Party ... The party elite will not let him in to replace Zyuganov ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: solzh

but, in my opinion, he should not be the head of the Communist Party ... The party elite will not let him in to replace Zyuganov ...

Yes, calm down ... is this question important now?
It’s much more important for some people who are completely confused to get through ... and you read replicas of others here and ... you’re not so surprised, but there’s just no word, what a mess in the head and rehash of all dem and liberahinei ..
Here already with Ep, those with at least the remnants of conscience remained. They ran ... and you share all the posts of the Communist Party ..

[rocket757]

Unified with the supreme, they themselves tyuked their fans ...... who where!
My trembling half, the identity ceased supreme "love" all of a sudden! When she counted the year before her retirement !!! I personally could not convince her in any way, no matter how I tried! I’m not a macho man, I don’t ride bears .... and I don’t have such a bald spot!

[solzh]

Quote: The Swordsman

Is this question important now?

And yes and no ... The question of leadership is important ... It is important because of who will lead the party forward and the people will follow him ... This issue is not important because it was necessary to raise this topic before, although would a couple of years ago ...

Quote: The Swordsman

it’s more important for some completely confused to reach

We are discussing the topic of raising the retirement age for about a month and a half ... The topic of the wrong economic and political line of the government is even more ... What is the result? No result ... On the site, someone was able to reach out to someone and set the right path? I do not know such cases ...

Quote: The Swordsman

Here already with Ep, those with at least the remnants of conscience remained. Ran ...

But in the next election, EP will win again with a big advantage ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: solzh

But in the next election, EP will win again with a big advantage ...

The price of such "victories" is known.

Quote: solzh

. On the site, someone was able to reach out to someone and set the right path? I do not know such cases ...

Five to seven years ago, here some sang absolutely demolished songs, others didn’t, others saw the light. Some hit monarchism. Nothing and it will pass.
Remember this. Khrushchev? Well, he strove to jump above his fly ... the lesson is not learned?
I’m watching a video with the participation of Sivkov. I’m the one who often writes articles on military-political issues. That’s reasoning ... here you don’t have to be a professor so that you don’t hear directly the trotsky motives in his reasoning, you need to say what are the risks of these ideas ?

Quote: solzh

It is important because of who leads the party forward and the people follow him ...

Are you a member of the party? I don’t, therefore, this question. Purely internal party, they decide.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: solzh

Quote: Altona

Rashkin is better.

Totally agree but, in my opinion, he should not be the head of the Communist Party ... The party elite will not let him in to replace Zyuganov ...

free advice: forget both Zyu and Rashkina, both worked out material. yes and the Communist Party too is muddy, there’s not a party, here Man is needed, but a party later.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

free tip

This kind of advice is akin to Goebbels advice — give up.
You before you advise something there. Learn to think.

[solzh]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

here it’s not a party, here Man is needed, but a party later.

but in the end we will get a new "United Russia" ... and everything will return to normal again ...

[prapor55]

I agree, “there are a lot of real violent, there are not enough leaders” because the poet was right.

[Million]

Well, at least something useful Zyuganov did ... The program for the utilization of pensioners is a crime!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Million

Well, at least something useful Zyuganov did ... The program for the utilization of pensioners is a crime!

did not, but broadcasted ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

and broadcast it ...

Why did you suddenly get so fussed? Yes, he went to the State Duma, went on the air, the central heating channels simply received instructions to keep silent about such an assessment of all this Medvedev's fuss. Consequently, Zyuganov did what you aren’t capable of. Apart from shouting from the couch ..

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Are you at a dance at Altona today, or what?

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IMF and World Bank dancer on the wire. The secret agent of the State Department, "not believing in government."

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

State Department secret agent, "not believing in government"

You yourself ... agent. Svarscheg

[23424636]

Quote: air wolf

Now no one will vote for EP and Poklonskaya will be taken by the Liberal Democratic Party, here the fun begins! And now, probably in the next election, Poklonskaya will be president, yet they want this woman)))

Yes, she’s serious, Natacha, Moscow blatot didn’t have time to seduce her with her jamon, as she kept a compass for the revival of Russia according to the military motto “For Vera, Tsar and Fatherland”, and follows him in Moscow offices. At the expense of Zhirinovsky, she is unlikely to go to this son of a lawyer, he is slippery, he loved Dimona. If the patriarch trusts and blesses her, she may very well draw on the leader of the Monarchist Party and the heat will be rare because all the fat Moscow Gascons will choke on a kosher crab ...

[AUL]

With all due respect to Natalia, the Monarchist Party has no chance! At least because of the name.

[prapor55]

The name is secondary, the leader and the program are important.

[Mountain shooter]

And most importantly, there are no special economic prerequisites for this reform. The budget is in surplus, oil is above 70, industrial production is growing. Food security in the country is pretty good. And what was to launch SUCH? They would quietly introduce a voluntary extension of the retirement age. If you want a pension 15% higher, stay a year. Etc. At least up to 70! What was necessary, so inept and mediocre?

[Vadim237]

The budget in Russia consists of the price of 43 dollars per barrel and 62 rubles per dollar, all of which goes higher on the “Reserve Fund” airbag, which has noticeably decreased since 2008.

[Million]

Do not confuse the CPSU and its individual members and the Communist Party. These are two different parties.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The CPSU and the Communist Party is the same party with the same ideology and the same theme as fools in its ranks, who instead of developing the real economy live with slogans ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Communist Party just nits, uh

Yeah ..... Yeltsin applauds you in a coffin.
United Russia and the Liberal Democratic Party. Together with the Union of Right Forces and others like them, they’re directly “saviors of the fatherland”, Nazarov, the author of the reform is not your cousin, these are the pupils of the West who are ruining the country.

[rocket757]

Guys spit on this "parrot". Ass do. knows just a couple of phrases, repeats where not long after!

[Black sniper]

For me so lu

[Black sniper]

For me, the Communists are better than the bourgeois!

[Vadim237]

Given that Russia's GDP has grown from 7 trillion rubles in the 2000th year, to 92 trillion in 2017 - so the EP, yes - the savior of the fatherland.

[rocket757]

The question is, do you yourself believe in what you write .... all these crafty calculations, translations !!!
If this was a joke, then okay.

[Vadim237]

There is no need to believe - it is necessary to see, and I see how many ports, roads, factories and factories were built in the cities during this time, the army was modernized, and much more - without being higher, this would not have been the same as the bridge to the Crimea.

[rocket757]

You can do simple counting. Not to notice that something was built and restored is stupid, but then again, with what to compare ??? The USSR could not work, a completely different country was in everything. with a period of tagging and drunk, so here is the direct gain of the current authorities, or rather the complete loss of the previous government.
The main assessment, for me, is how the working people live !!! After all, this state should be for people, and not vice versa !!! So, the current authorities have no victories in this matter, but what else is coming !!!
Continue to do different calculations .... only the zrada is already on your doorstep with such a cheerful exclamation - Yeah, they didn’t wait! And I ran to you and to anyone / everyone! -

[Vadim237]

I and my friends will not have any zerads - business has been profitable for 11 years in a row - on the horizon there is only expansion and striving for the best.

[rocket757]

What can I wish for - good luck.
Another memo - don’t give me a gop, bye .... well, bye.
To remind that we have a lot of people just working, honestly working without a bulldozer, and they are definitely waiting for zrad under such a government ..... it seems not worth it, everything is in order for you.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vadim237

Given that Russia's GDP has grown from 7 trillion rubles in the 2000th year, to 92 trillion in 2017 - so the EP, yes - the savior of the fatherland.

This is if you consider financial transactions of a dubious kind, and if you consider reality, alas and ah. Where do you and EP report some victories.
Not trade is the backbone of the country, cut it on your nose, not financial speculators and bankers, not intermediaries of all kinds give real GDP and GNP, but the real production with you with Ep is very bad.

[rocket757]

And they and we, unfortunately, with real production, GDP, and certainly with the well-being of the people, aren’t so old, and the old people of the present and future, these figures really intend to exterminate!
The working people are also not very respected among them ... because laws are passed only on the final enslavement of the working class and the unlimited power of the rich who serve them.

[Vadim237]

Russia is in a market economy, and a market economy, it is supply and demand - has made sold, rendered services, bought, sold, the effectiveness of the enterprise, it is determined by how much you spent and how much you got from it. And what are these dubious financial transactions nationwide? Compared with the 2000 victories of dofigins: minimal public debt, the rise of agriculture and agricultural machinery, the end of the war in Chechnya, almost two more roads, the modernized army, the active development of mechanical engineering, instrument engineering - thanks to Rostec, people began to relocate from Soviet barracks and emergency housing, the nuclear industry exploded high, in Russia they began to make tomographs and modern medical equipment - something in cooperation, something themselves, and finally a share e raw export took 57% of the GDP.

[rocket757]

The state is for people, not people for the state.
If we have a mobilization economy, and the people are trying to mobilize the working people to the end, it seems even real, then let's mobilize TOGETHER!
There are a lot of questions and complaints to the Communists and the methods of their rule, but EVERYTHING was sure that they almost all accepted all the troubles and works with their people!
Now ALL the working people are sure that all the hardships are crumbling on him, and all the rich, those in power who want to sneeze at his troubles!
How is the formulation of the question encouraging? Whom and what exactly can this state of affairs push?
By the way, all the achievements that still exist in the country. without the participation of working people, ordinary citizens, there is NO way, so why do all the gingerbread go to those who have identified themselves on top ??? Did they try the most, deserve the most?

[ludrosia]

Vadim237
Well, that's understandable. Why then the people do not get at least half the salary of deputies of a united Russia? Why only they are paid such a salary. Did they work instead of the people? Or more? Or, without the people did it all themselves?

[Vadim237]

And we have about 70 percent of the people working for private owners - with them, and demand, for wages, I pay my good, no one complains.

[Vadim237]

How many deputies are there - a maximum of 5000 - 7000 people with such a salary, and there are millions of people, or do you offer cleaners and loaders 400000 to pay?

[rocket757]

We have someone to pay and there is someone rowing without measure, not necessarily in the form of salaries, methods of withdrawal, theft of PAYMENT TAX funds, an infinite number.
Don’t be offended, I’m not saying evil, but sitting under your palm tree, eating a banana grown by yourself, you should not assume that the world around us ends there.
I, too, am not a great connoisseur of everything and everyone, but I was so taught that providing only my loved ones as if everything was fine is a flawed position. There is still a lot of things outside, and in one way or another it will touch you, relatives and finally everyone for whom you have taken responsibility.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The protest against pension reform is supported only by populists like the Communist Party and fools who do not understand that neither the state pays pensions but working citizens from their salaries !!!

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

fools who do not understand that neither the state pays pensions but working citizens from their salaries !!!

Eru propagandist? Or because of infancy you have no idea what penis is and who pays it?
Well, here’s the performance of Zyuganov- so hated by you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwKA_axbqCc
Are you against what has been said? Therefore, you are a social Darwinist, worse than a directly liberal fascist. Try to justify yourself.
And the fact that you have recorded many in the "fools" here is a direct and impudent, abominable expression of the essence of you and the way you exist.

[rocket757]

Nicholas whom do you want to enlighten? This annoying organism repeats just a few phrases. But everywhere.
Spit, chat with intelligent people.

[Gradus HuK]

And the lysobodies and the minions of the oligarchy approve!

[APIS]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The protest against pension reform is supported only by populists like the Communist Party and fools who do not understand that neither the state pays pensions but working citizens from their salaries !!!

Protecting the rights of workers is the constitutional task of the Communist Party. And the close-minded agitators forgot that citizens are the state. And a pension is a rent from invested labor for the good of the state, and not handouts from stolen by officials.

[Altona]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Hamite, Altona. And it is often fraught sideways

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Rude first you, I answer with your own lexicon. If you do not want to rake, then better sit quietly with your dog. Go to Twitter and Youtube, now there are broadcasts of rallies against pension reform. Everyone already knows what you are and who you are.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Altona

Rude first you

Give a quote, do not be unfounded

Quote: Altona

Now there are broadcasts of rallies against pension reform

Well, go - and let them go.

Quote: Altona

Everyone already knows what you are and who you are.

1. This is unlikely.
2. Speaking for everyone is an extremely unhealthy task, and not everyone treats this with understanding.
You mark there at home (c)

[Old Horseradish]

It is necessary to stop the cannibalistic action. Attitude to the elderly is the main moral indicator of society.

[Altona]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And what then to do if oil falls again to $ 30, you thought ?!

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And what to do in the province? There is no industry. The abolition of pensions also paralyzes trade, as it is now in Buryatia, for example. Let’s suggest. Putin says that 10 years can not change the retirement age. WHO PREVENTS PUTIN TO CREATE JOBS AND INDUSTRY IN 10 YEARS? Come on, offer, or are you campaigning only for death after 60?

[Altona]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The protest against pension reform is supported only by populists like the Communist Party and fools who do not understand that neither the state pays pensions but working citizens from their salaries !!!

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Well, let them give people the funded part of the pensions that they handed to Gazprom in the form of $ 32 billion. And the other part was stolen by non-state pension funds. Someone Mintz successfully faded with the money of his pension fund. Let them take from the rich, who are going to create offshore. And how do you want to exploit a person with cataracts? With arthritis, with diabetes? I employed 4 pensioners, a grinder, a thermist, 2 machine tool-tool men, they are all with diseases, but there are simply no other specialists from the word at all.
PS I have frozen about 200 000 of the funded part. So what? Forgive them? They need it.

[Kirill Dou]

The following is funny in the comments to this article: the authorities crap - and for some reason the liberals are to blame again.

Where commenters saw liberals in power in Russia, it’s incomprehensible.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Kirill Dou

Where commenters saw liberals in power in Russia, it’s incomprehensible to the mind

Newspeak lesson, for free, once, I will not repeat:
1. Liberal - radish (bad person). Cowards invented the brakes, and everything bad in this life comes from the liberals.
2. Legitimate - cute, kawaynaya and in general - just a miracle (it doesn’t matter - about a person, a phenomenon etc).

Plate and fork are written without a soft sign, and salt and beans - with a soft sign ...

This cannot be understood, this must be remembered

[Kirill Dou]

Ah, there it is

[prapor55]

Jack is just +++ for a positive answer, right, you answered so badly!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: prapor55

You answered so haphazardly

To the... um ...
My work is this - 200+ users of the system, I alone. This is now, used to be more.
You’ll talk like this for a year - you will learn to say “with pictures”. And I’ve been in this way for more than twenty years, ahem, I’m talking

[prapor55]

I just have a different work profile, but I like a spoonful of positive, in a discussion barrel.

[123456789]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Plate and fork are written without a soft sign, and salt and beans - with a soft sign ...

It will be right: Bun, fork, plate and salt, beans and vermicelli

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Kirill Dou

Where commenters saw liberals in power in Russia, it’s incomprehensible.

Give you a list with the names of the liberals or simply in an enormous way name the structures for the liberal patterns which break the country through the knee.
Start with the HSE, with Nazarov. Canadian student ... Who is Nazarov, I hope you are in the know?

[Kirill Dou]

1. From the fact that a person studied in Canada, he does not become a liberal. Pol Pot (you know this?) Also studied in France (in a country with a liberal ideology) - and what, was a liberal?

2. Liberalism is a clear economic and political theory, with its own criteria (free market, minimal government interference, inviolability of private property, free elections, the rule of law over power, etc.). Tell me at least one reform since 2001 that meets these criteria.

Although no, I will give an example of such reforms myself: "During the leadership of Kudrin, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation carried out a large-scale tax reform: introduced a" flat scale "of income tax at 13%, eliminated sales and sales taxes, reduced VAT and tax rates for profit, the total number of taxes was reduced by a factor of three, many loopholes in the legislation used to evade taxes were eliminated, internal offshore companies, etc. were eliminated. As a result of the tax reform, the tax burden was reduced and for all types of businesses. A budget reform was also carried out, the Stabilization Fund was created, the volume of state external debt was sharply reduced. in Europe"

So yes, Kudrin is a liberal. Here I agree.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Kirill Dou

. Pol Pot (you know this?) Also studied in France (in a country with a liberal ideology) - and what, was a liberal?

No, he was, to your shame, a Trotskyist. And what Trotskyism is and Trotsky himself, the hucksters from Wallstreet are well aware.

Quote: Kirill Dou

Liberalism is a clear economic and political theory, with its own criteria (free market, minimal government interference, inviolability of private property, free elections, the rule of law over power, etc.). Tell me at least one reform since 2001 that meets these criteria.

Blah blah blah. Your so-called pure liberalism has died out by the beginning of the 20th century. But the fact that the heirs of the course of liberalism in the economy and finances were creating in the country is called short-genocide of the population and the killing of the country's productive forces.

Quote: Kirill Dou

So yes, Kudrin is a liberal

Then what are you doing in this phrase, recognizing that Kudrin is a liberal, you do not want to see point blank. That he and his ilk are pursuing a liberal policy brought to idiocy, each subsequent step leads to the worst possible consequences for the sake of your liberal theory .
Remember more often Truman .. with his words- "if Russia will develop in a planned manner as it demonstrates it now. Our free world. Under a threat .... we all have to send in. That would not be allowed," 1946. That’s all your liberalism ..

[Kirill Dou]

1. "No. He was, to your shame, a Trotskyist. And what Trotskyism is and Trotsky himself, the hucksters from Wallstreit know very well

I cited the example of Pol Pot as a refutation of your "argument" about the fact that representatives of the current Russian ruling elite are supposedly liberals, because they studied at a liberal university or in a liberal country. I do not care if Pol Pot was a Trotskyist or a Maoist - the main thing is that he was not a liberal, although he studied in liberal France. You even were not able to realize this.

2. About "pure liberalism" I did not speak. However, there are countries whose state and economic structure is close to that, and there are countries that are far from the criteria of liberalism.

About our 90s. Do you seriously think that the transition from a planned economy to a market economy and from a totalitarian state system to a more or less free one will be easy and without consequences? This does not happen. The upheavals of the 90s were inevitable and needed to be overcome. However, instead of using a truly market-oriented, albeit largely “wild”, economy of the late 90s and turning it into a normal market economy, Putin and his government rolled back, building a stillborn country called state capitalism in the country. Such a system has nothing in common with liberalism.
There was no "genocide" in the 90s. The decline in production, of course, was because in the new market conditions many of the manufacturing enterprises that were previously fully supported by the state turned out to be incapable. Those that were able to survive - survived and already in 1998 started somehow, but to pay for themselves and work. And those that worked inefficiently bent.

3. Next, about Kudrin. Yes, he is a liberal, and when he was Minister of Finance, he carried out liberal economic reforms as much as the current state capitalism system allowed. I have listed his achievements, but he could not completely liberalize the Russian economy, because he is a man, not the Lord God, in order to change the established system with a wave of his hand.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Kirill Dou

About our 90s. Do you seriously think that the transition from a planned economy to a market economy and from a totalitarian state system to a more or less free one will be easy and without consequences?

Reading e
I didn’t read further, this type of nonsense is of little interest, because by all means in all programs it is propagandized by Chubais, tsipko, Svanidzis and other gozman.

Quote: Kirill Dou

There was no "genocide" in the 90s.

And lying again, the country's losses in material terms are comparable to the losses of the country from that war in human losses almost surpass. Moreover, now again the decline in the birth rate is the CONSEQUENCES of 90 years. The excess of mortality over the birth rate is 134 thousand people in ha six months, only for 2018.
Based on the 1990 forecast, the demographic decline was 21,6 million. For all the former USSR countries, this is even greater and equal to 47 million people. The demographic decline would have been even greater if it had not been for the significant migration growth, amounting to about 7 million people over all these years. They are shown in graphs in the green area after 1991. This figure slightly reduced the population decline in Russia, without migrants the population would now be 137 million. Https://kremlinru.wordpress.com/2015/10/1
8 / potery /
Dazhn pro-government historian, Starikov, confirms.
Mikhail Khazin’s website, a year ago, someone compared the losses of the USSR in World War II to the decline in Russia's population after 1991. And they counted minus 9 million in Russia over 25 years. A strange calculation is to compare the USSR, which was 2 times more in terms of population and modern Russia.
When compared with the USSR, it is only with the former republics, and now countries belonging to the USSR.

The population of Ukraine in 1991 was almost 52 million. In 2016, almost 43 million. Here you have another 9 million - not fit into the market.
Belarus, 3 Baltic tigers and Moldova should also be added here. It turns out about 3 million more in 5 countries in 25 years. (Data from Wikipedia and suppose they are true, which I strongly doubt.)
It turns out Russia - 9 million, Ukraine - 9 million, 5 Tigers - 3 million total minus 21 million people over 25 years. Against 27 million in the Second World War (2MB). WITHOUT SHOTS! Katasonov rights or not? Https: //nstarikov.ru/club/73462
General demographic losses of Russia since 1991 to 2010 amounted to about 32 million people. Let us prove it.

Population decline under Yeltsin (excess of mortality over fertility) = 5767922 people

The migration increase under Yeltsin is 4266033 people (only official migrants). Bringing the value of this increase here is necessary, so that it would be clear why the population of the Russian Federation has not decreased much.

The population loss after Yeltsin’s departure and the consequences of the economic genocide unleashed by him, especially from the consequences of default (excess of mortality over birth rate) amounted to 7372918 people (including 2010)

Migration growth under Putin-Medvedev 1623171 people (only official migrants)

Direct losses from the economic genocide of the 90s (as of 2010) counted from the level of zero population growth (as many are born as they die).

5767922 + 7372918 = 13 140 840 people

But in the RSFSR until 1991. there was a constant population growth, which means we must count it, because due to economic genocide, we lost it.

That is, for the previous 10 years before the accession of the drunk Boris, the population growth of the RSFSR amounted to:

148,3 (population of the RSFSR in 1991) - 138,8 (population of the RSFSR in 1981) = 9,5 mil. person (in 20 years it will be 9,5 * 2)

Thus, the total demographic loss since 1991. to 2010 made up

13,1 + 9,5 * 2 = 32,1 million people.

Source: www.gks.ru/wps/wcm/connect/rosstat/rosstatsite/ma
in / population / demography / #
Study.
https://red-army-1917.livejournal.com/23076.html

[Kirill Dou]

Before talking about genocide, you would first at least read the definition of the word))

But if you do not master even Wikipedia, I will give you the definition myself:

"Genocide (from the Greek. Γένος - clan, tribe and lat. Caedo - kill) - acts committed with the intention of destroying, in whole or in part, any national, ethnic, racial, religious or other historically developed cultural and ethnic [1] group as such by:

killings of members of this group;
causing serious harm to their health;
measures designed to prevent childbearing in such a group;
removal of children from the family;
the intentional creation of living conditions designed for the complete or partial physical destruction of this group "

So, what defines this or that action as genocide? right - INTENTION. The extermination of Jews and Slavs by the Nazis was genocide, because it was officially proclaimed the ideology of the Third Reich. The dispossession of the USSR is also genocide, because it was officially proclaimed an ideology. Repression in polska Cambodia is also genocide, as it was officially proclaimed by the state.

Young reformers can be blamed for mediocre governance (although also controversial), but you cannot blame the INTENTION of extermination of the population. Nowhere was this spelled out in state ideology.

First learn the definitions, and then pour them right and left. And that’s funny.

[kitt409]

“... There was no“ genocide ”in the 90s. There was a decline in production, of course, because in the new market conditions many of the manufacturing enterprises that were previously fully supported by the state turned out to be incapable. Those that could survive survived and have already at the very beginning they started to pay off and work themselves. And those who worked inefficiently turned down .... "(c) Do you want to recall a phrase from a certain“ hero ”about those who didn’t fit into the market?
And after this you still say that it is unintentional ??? And is it so - IMHO, no!

[Vadim237]

"Genocide of the population and the killing of the country's productive forces." Yes, yes, yes, this is your statement no matter how it approaches the Bolsheviks and their continuation — comrade Stalin, who destroyed almost half of the village during the collectivization of 1928–1937 — he needed money for industrialization and the guys did not bother, they just started mass raiding seizures of peasant property: land, bread, cattle, tools of labor at home, in the process of these "ultra-genius" actions, there was a famine, from which 7 million people died, and the "cherry three" law became the "cherry" on the cake on August 7, 1932 ah "Fast - Die, but hand over the entire crop. The result of all this - the kapets of the village as such, the CPSU continued this line, collective farms, collective farms, collective farms - and now Uncle Zyu continues to scream about dying villages from year to year - only all his screams become as deaf as the wind sweeping through the interior spaces and the empty windows of abandoned houses, dead villages, which are becoming more and more in Russia.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vadim237

"Genocide of the population and the killing of the country's productive forces." Yes, yes, yes this is your statement no matter how it approaches the Bolsheviks and their continuation — to Comrade Stalin,

you rave? Unfortunately, prescribe a pill for you, as a therapy for severe forms of delirium on near-historical topics. I can’t .. don’t read the turbidity for the night from Solzhenitsyn and other war men.

Quote: Vadim237

"cherry" on the cake, the law on August 7, 1932, the "Law of the Three Spikelets" became starving -

Bah ... at what mossy filing of a spark from a pantry got that they took this nonsense on faith?

Quote: Vadim237

The result of all this is the kapets of the village as such

Are you talking about Yeltsin and his accomplices? 23 thousand villages have disappeared thanks to you.

Quote: Vadim237

about endangered villages -

Are you talking about the current state of the village? It’s self-critical ... however, you are clearly not competent at all in matters of selukak and ballet. And repeating someone else’s stupidity obviously does not add reason to you.

[Kirill Dou]

"Bah ... at what mossy filing of a fire from a pantry got that they took this nonsense on faith?"

“The Law on Three Spikelets” (and according to the scientific Central Executive Committee and Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of August 7, 1932 “On the protection of property of state enterprises, collective farms and cooperation and the strengthening of public (socialist) property”) is a scientifically established fact, confirmed by numerous documentation, including personally the correspondence of Stalin.

If you question this fact, then you ... how to say it, so as not to rattle in a ban ... in general, not a very reasonable person.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Kirill Dou

If you question this fact -

I saw the fact of your lies, now we look at the real law and its requirements.
Well, now we read carefully the law itself

JOINT DECISION OF THE CEC AND SNK OF THE USSR

On the protection of property of state enterprises, collective farms and cooperation and the strengthening of public (socialist) property

7 1932 of August

Recently, complaints of workers and collective farmers have become more frequent regarding the theft (theft) of goods by rail and water transport and the theft (theft) of cooperative and collective farm property from hooligan and generally anti-social elements. Likewise, complaints about violence and threats of kulak elements against collective farmers who do not want to leave the collective farms and honestly and selflessly working to strengthen the latter became more frequent.

The CEC and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR consider that public property (state, collective farm, cooperative) is the basis of the Soviet system, it is sacred and inviolable, and people who encroach on public property should be considered as enemies of the people, as a result of which a decisive struggle against the robbers of public property is the first duty of the organs of Soviet power.

Proceeding from these considerations and meeting the demands of workers and collective farmers, the CEC and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR decide:

I

1. To equate the value of goods in railway and water transport with state property and in every way strengthen the protection of these goods.

2. To apply as a measure of judicial repression for the theft of goods by rail and water transport the highest measure of social protection - execution with confiscation of all property and with the substitution, under extenuating circumstances, of imprisonment for a term of not less than ten years with confiscation of property.

3. Do not apply amnesty to criminals convicted of theft of goods in transport.

II

1. Equate in value the property of collective farms and cooperatives (field crops, public stocks, livestock, cooperative warehouses and shops, etc.) to state property and fully strengthen the protection of this property from plunder.

2. To apply as a measure of judicial repression for the theft (theft) of collective and cooperative property the highest measure of social protection - execution with confiscation of all property and with the substitution, under extenuating circumstances, imprisonment for a term of not less than ten years with confiscation of all property.

3. Do not apply amnesty to criminals convicted of embezzlement of collective and cooperative property.

III

1. To wage a decisive struggle against those antisocial kulak-capitalist elements that use violence and threats or preach the use of violence and threats against collective farmers in order to force the latter to leave the collective farm, with the aim of forcibly destroying the collective farm. Equate these crimes to state crimes.

2. To apply as a measure of judicial repression in cases concerning the protection of collective farms and collective farmers from violence and threats from the kulak and other anti-social elements, imprisonment from five to ten years with imprisonment in a concentration camp.

3. Do not apply amnesty to criminals convicted in these cases.

Chairman of the CEC of the USSR, M. Kalinin

Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR V. Molotov (Scriabin)

Secretary of the CEC of the USSR A. Yenukidze

Source: NW USSR 1932 No. 62, Article 360

[kitt409]

The law, say, is such that you hand over the entire crop ???))) But have you tried to READ IT yourself?))))

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately for my relatives, this coolly affected from 18 people to the 41st
8 survived, and then the war and my grandfather were left alone, at 15.

[Kirill Dou]

And the current deplorable state of the villages is just a direct consequence of the fact that during the time of collectivization, the entire active population of the village (those same kulaks and middle peasants) was redeemed, leaving only the poor, who could fulfill only one function - labor. Accordingly, there was no talk of any agricultural efficiency.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Kirill Dou

And the current deplorable state of villages is just a direct consequence of that

That people like you in 1991-1992t broke into the "leadership" of the country. Inflicting damage to it. Comparable to Hitler.

Quote: Kirill Dou

Accordingly, there was no talk of any agricultural efficiency.

Tales of asphalt peasants from the time of fake Afanasyev how long will you replicate?
"Here is the Investment Schedule for 1934. Only for the repair of tractors, cars and other equipment is more than 511 thousand rubles. Huge money. For telephone installation 20600, for equipment of a veterinary station 10000, for equipment for an oil plant 25000 rubles. And so on. For capital construction and equipment production facilities - more than 750 thousand. Just amazing.
No less surprising is the list of needs for specialists for 1934. "150 tractor drivers, 40 combine harvesters, 21 locksmiths and so on."

Documents from the state archive of the Aktobe region.
Fund No. 85, inventory No. 1, arch. case number 143
http://myaktobe.kz/archives/11...
Where do you condemn what you are not adapted to at all ..

[Vadim237]

In the USSR, agriculture was unprofitable - this is a confirmed fact.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vadim237

In the USSR, agriculture was unprofitable - this is a confirmed fact.

This is a blatant lie.
Unprofitable of 25 thousand collective farms was 1%. Against the background of the fact that they gave all the rest, minuscule.
During perestroika, they began to talk about the need to liquidate collective farms, and one of the arguments was the myth that they were unprofitable and hung with a stone on the neck of the state. There was no big sense in this argument - in the Soviet economy, profitability and loss-making were planned, because procurement prices were determined in a planned manner. But let's talk about the measure. Yes, there were unprofitable collective farms. How many were there and were there large losses in comparison with the scale of the entire collective farm system?
_ * A.N. Yakovlev, speaking of “total lumpenization of society,” which, they say, must be “de-parasitized,” cited the following argument: “The darkness of unprofitable enterprises, collective farms and state farms whose workers do not feed themselves, therefore, parasitize on others "[1]. Here is the measure of the academician-economist: unprofitable enterprises, collective farms and state farms in the USSR - darkness. Although the total number of enterprises and collective farms and the number of unprofitable ones are well known, so that a certain absolute and relatively unprofitable number can be given.
_ * The real values ​​are as follows. In 1989, there were 24720 collective farms in the USSR. They gave 21 billion rubles. arrived. There were 275 collective farms unprofitable throughout the country (1% of the number of collective farms), and all their losses totaled 49 million rubles. - 0,2% of the profit of the collective farm system. In general, the profitability of collective farms amounted to 38,7%. The amount of losses is incommensurable with the size of profit. Collective farms and state farms did not “hang with a stone on the neck of the state” - on the contrary, in contrast to the West, our village always subsidized the city. The argument based on a quantitative measure was false. Http://www.kara-murza.ru/books/Razum/Razum
017.html

[Kirill Dou]

Funny, we are talking about the Stalin era, but for some reason you give information for 1989. The fact that agriculture from the time of Stalin to 1989 has undergone very large changes caused by reforms, you obviously do not know?) It is clear.

[ludrosia]

Vadim237
It's a lie!
The USSR could perfectly provide itself with everything necessary!

[Vadim237]

But for some reason, from 1975 to 85, 7000 collective farms disappeared and 500000 people left - and there was no need to talk about postscripts, they were everywhere. They demanded from them, they did for awards.

[Kirill Dou]

"Here is the Investment Schedule for 1934. Only for the repair of tractors, cars and other equipment is more than 511 thousand rubles. Huge money. For telephone installation 20600, for equipment of a veterinary station 10000, for equipment for an oil plant 25000 rubles. And so on. For capital construction and equipment production facilities - more than 750 thousand. Just amazing.
No less surprising is the list of needs for specialists for 1934. "150 tractor drivers, 40 combine harvesters, 21 locksmiths and so on."


Now explain to me how INVESTMENT confirms profitability?

Do you even understand what profit and loss are? I explain if you suddenly skipped economics lessons at school:

a profitable industry or enterprise is considered if income exceeds expenses.

unprofitable, respectively, on the contrary.

The unprofitableness of agriculture is evidenced by the fact (again, proven by documents) that in 1932-33, a mass famine began in the USSR (and, moreover, in agricultural areas). And I do not need to rub that, they say, the USSR at that time even supplied grain abroad. I delivered, only to the detriment of my own people.

Regarding the "Law of the Three Spikelets" - and no one even says that his wording was poor. Only now he was adopted in the midst of a general famine and did not even hit his fists (though also them), but the poor peasants who stole grain and agricultural tools because of hunger in order to survive.

[Kirill Dou]

And here you have statistics on agricultural production in 20-30 years, during the "effective Stalin"

The number of cattle in 1928 (the last year of the NEP) amounted to 70,5 million heads, and in 1933 (the end of the most acute stage of collectivization) - 38,3 million. Very effective :)

Grain is also interesting. 1913 - 92,3 million tons. In 1940, 95 million tons. It would seem that the figure of 2 million tons rose. However, we look closely at the dynamics. in 1945 this figure is 47 million tons (which is reasonable, because the war), but already in 1960 - 125 million tons. In other words, during the period of collectivization, there was no increase in production at all, although after the Civil War the USSR did not get involved in big wars.

Well, the last. One of the important indicators demonstrating the standard of living in the country (and, therefore, the effectiveness of its economy) is the expected life expectancy.

We look. in 1928, life expectancy in men was 35,9, in women - 40,4. In 1929 - already 33,7 and 38,2 respectively, in 1930 - a slight increase (34,6 and 38,7), but already in 1931 - 30,7 and 35,5. In 1933, it was 15,2 and 19,5. Just think about these numbers - 15 and 19 years. Even in the Neolithic era, this figure was 20-25 years.

The total natural growth rate in 1928 was 21,84, and already in 1929 it was 18,22. Then it fell steadily, fell, fell, and in 1933 it amounted to −18,93 (this is a minus, not a hyphen, if that). Under Stalin, the indicator of the natural increase in the end of the NEP of the USSR did not reach - in 1940, its value was 11,29.

So rub me further about the successes of agriculture under Stalin, yes)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Kirill Dou

Just think about these numbers - 15 and 19 years. Even in the Neolithic era, this figure was 20-25 years.

This is where you dug up such crap?

[Kirill Dou]

http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/knigi/andr_dars_kh
ar / adk.html - times

http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/knigi/andr_dars_kh
ar / adk_pdf / glava5.pdf - two

http://istmat.info/files/uploads/15864/naselenie_
rossii_za_100_let_1897-1997.pdf - three

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Kirill Dou

So rub me further about the successes of agriculture under Stalin, yes

Rub rubbish, I do not advise you.

Quote: Kirill Dou

We look. in 1928, life expectancy in men was 35,9, in women - 40,4. In 1929 - already 33,7 and 38,2 respectively, in 1930 - a slight increase (34,6 and 38,7), but already in 1931 - 30,7 and 35,5. In 1933, it was 15,2 and 19,5.

And where is this nonsense taken from? And ... it’s clear that there is such “goodness” in the shaft, you still present Solzhenitsyn and Voinovich as authoritative experts. Among scientists, this is more credible. Dynamics of Average Life Expectancy in Russia-USSR
(data taken from: Urlanis B.U. Fertility and life expectancy in the USSR. M., 1963. S. 103-104)


Year Average life expectancy in the USSR

1917 32
1927 44
1939 47
1955 64
1956 67
1958 68
1959 69
1961 70
1975 70,4
1980 70,9
1985 71,4
1990 69,5
1995 64
2000 62
2005 60
For those who are interested in the question, read
https://dinlin.livejournal.com/1523.html
A comparison of indicators in Russia with other European countries shows that before the First World War, infant mortality in our country was the highest. This directly affected life expectancy [4].

According to the calculations of V.Ya. Bunyakovsky in 1862, the average life expectancy of the Orthodox population of Russia was 30,87 years for men and 32,45 for women (an average of 31,6 years) [5]. According to S.A. Novoselsky, who built mortality tables for the entire population of Russia on the basis of the census data of 1897, the average life expectancy in 1896–1897 was 32,34. Refined recent calculations have given slightly different indicators [6] (Table 3) .http: //vivovoco.astronet.ru/VV/PAPERS/HI
STORY / HEALTH / HEALTH.HTM
All the accusers are blaming all the blame for the USSR. Not noticing the absurdity of their allegations.
Here is an example-G.V. Khlopin and F.F. Erisman in the encyclopedic dictionary “Russia” of 1898 describe the sanitary situation of Russian cities as very unsatisfactory:

“Mortality in many Russian cities is very high and significantly higher than the mortality of the entire population of Russia. How far from ideal our even most comfortable cities can be seen from the fact that per 1000 inhabitants in 1895 died: in Vienna, 22,0; Brussels - 21,11; Paris - 19,60; London - 18,50; Berlin - 17,75; Stockholm - 16,63; Copenhagen - 16,67. In Petersburg in 1888–92. 27,4 died, and in Moscow in 1887–96. mortality was 28,0 per 1000 population. In Astrakhan, Saratov, N-Novgorod, more than 40 people die per 1000 inhabitants ”
And this is a reference to an interesting question, about mortality.
http://istmat.info/files/uploads/38434/rgae_1562.
33.2638_svedeniya_ob_umershih_po_vozrastam_i_polu
_1933-1955.pdf
In general, all equivocations to the past are aimed at hiding the present.
The Bolsheviks got very mediocre positions from the Republic of Ingushetia: 30 with a small life expectancy in 1914 at a time when in the USA the life expectancy was for 50 years. Under Stalin, the country is making a rapid leap forward, including in reducing mortality from 30 ppm to 8 in 1953. Those. mortality from the largest in Europe and the world becomes the smallest. Life expectancy against this background doubles to 60-plus years. For men, we actually returned to the pre-revolutionary level of lag minus 16-17 years. Now this difference is 12 years old, which is also a shame for a civilized country like Russia was under the Soviets.

We will not deny some success in reducing infant mortality under Putin. By the way, it was it that gave such an impressive increase in life expectancy in recent years, when they were finally able to surpass the Soviet level. After 20 years, yeah. However, if you look at life expectancy after reaching the age of 15 years, the situation looks different:

That's where the real shame is.
http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/app/app4011.php

[Kirill Dou]

"Among scientists, this is more credible. The dynamics of average life expectancy in Russia-the USSR"

Are you from among scientists? Please show me a certificate from the Russian scientific community that they trust your document more, and mine - so, the notions of the "Solzhenitsyn"))

[Vadim237]

Fortunately, I have living eyewitnesses of those events: grandfather, grandmother, and grandfather’s half-brother were lucky that they were long-livers and I believe them, according to their stories, the official collectivization materials were “decorated” - and the reality was cruel. Collected under 10 million, young people began to leave the village for all-Union construction projects, part went to the army - they fled from the beggarly collective farm, all this in the 30s, the villages had no subsidies or pensions, and there were no passports, all this appeared under Khrushchev, but the line of poverty in the villages of the CPSU continued, the peasants were not allowed to conduct private agriculture, and this process continued until the end of the 80s, with an irreversible process - the flight of people from the villages. Although Yeltsin was not even him, the Bolsheviks launched the process of destruction of the village in 28.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vadim237

Collected under 10 million, the young began to leave the village for all-Union construction projects, part went to the army - they fled from the beggarly collective farm, all this in the 30s, the villages had no subsidies or pensions, but there were no passports all this appeared under Khrushchev

Again, arrogant lies.
Here is the Investment Chart for 1934. Only for the repair of tractors, cars and other equipment more than 511 thousand rubles. Huge money. For telephone installation 20600, for equipment at a veterinary station 10000, for equipment at an oil factory 25000 rubles. Etc. For capital construction and equipment of industrial premises - more than 750 thousand. Just amazing.
No less surprising is the list of needs for specialists for 1934. 150 tractor drivers, 40 combine harvesters, 21 locksmiths and so on are needed.

Documents from the state archive of the Aktobe region.
Fund No. 85, inventory No. 1, arch. case number 143
http://myaktobe.kz/archives/11...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: The Swordsman

No less surprising is the list of needs for specialists for 1934. 150 tractor drivers, 40 combine harvesters, 21 locksmiths and so on are needed

Quote: The Swordsman

Documents from the state archive of the Aktobe region

This is for the entire area - is it required?
Then really - an amazing breadth of choice for the villager ... how many "people in place" are there? Hundred? Two hundred?

[16112014nk]

Putin V.V. at one of the forums said: "The most important liberal is me."

[Kirill Dou]

Putin can talk a lot. I value people by deeds, not words.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Kirill Dou

I value people by deeds, not words.

You and Gozman were evaluated ... NEUD assessment. Do you like assessment with Gozman? Well ... sadness is not great if you have the same result. Compare with Sytin or Drandin, the assessment will be NEUD.

[16112014nk]

And our resident doesn’t disagree with words?

[Kirill Dou]

That’s what I’m talking about

[kitt409]

And who else is sitting at the HSE, RANHGIS and other similar offices, and all advise, advise, etc.

[fif21]

There is such a thing as labor productivity! How many times has labor productivity increased from 50 years to 2018? In a normal economy, one currently employed may contain 3 senior citizens! But he has to keep a bunch of officials, an army .....
That's the whole layout! A mediocre government must resign. With such a captain of the liner Russia, the fate of the Titanic awaits us!

[APIS]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I welcome the popular protest and fully support it. Power itself rocked the notorious boat.

You need to stop talking nonsense ... The Communist Party of the Russian Federation has already ruined the USSR, and now instead of discussing this reform with specialist economists, they just decided to get political dividends ...

Zyuganov - just mediocrity and a fool ...

In Russia there are 145 million people 42 million pensioners in Russia, in Japan, with their life expectancy and economic level at 127 million people 30,8 million pensioners !!! And also the public debt is more than 200% !!!

Do you even realize what nonsense you carry when yelling - that you are against pension reform? And why can you pay pensions only with figures and facts, and not with stupid slogans like the Communist Party ?!

Already today the budget of the RF PF — 7,1 trillion rubles and 3,5 trillion — is tranches from the federal budget !!! Of the 15 trillions of the federal budget, 20% is pensions, and tomorrow you will have to pay more and more to retire spending on the army and navy, on the development of infrastructure, science and everything else !!!

And what then to do if oil falls again to $ 30, you thought ?!

Communist Party ruined the USSR is powerful !!!

[mavrus]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Altona

Hail popular protest

Is it folk?

the pro-government Duma majority did not have a desire to ratify the 20 art. United Nations Convention against Corruption.

So Zyuganov will be the first to fall under this article, lobbying for Hodor’s interests will be immediately remembered!

Do you think the protest is considered “popular” only when the bulkers work out “protest bucks” with marsh ones?
And if Zyuganov falls under the article (for lobbying for the interests of Hodor, which I doubt very much), then this does not bother me at all. The main thing is that all these edrosts, and seluvanshchiki of all calibers in the logging, benefit the country

[Black sniper]

I support the protest. The retirement age should be the same for both men and women is 60-61 years!

[Sweetheart]

Quote: APIS

Communist Party ruined the USSR is powerful !!!

Yes .... as a manifestation of stupidity. Indeed, a statement on the verge of doubts about the adequacy of other comments of all kinds writing here ..

[dgoncovch]

enough to feed the hedging elite

[mavrus]

Quote: Masya Masya

Zyuganov again on horseback, however, like Navalny ...

Well, let’s say that Sue is not yet on a horse, but at best “on a pony”. For a long time he portrayed the "system communist" in such a way that he would lead the people right after him against the bourgeois oligarchs and bureaucratic embezzlers. But Navalny ... so he doesn’t pretend to be a horse, he is “more comfortable on a donkey” (more precisely, on donkeys).

[nathanael]

Damn, as it’s already tired ... They say there’s no money for pence. Yes, to introduce a state monopoly on alcohol, tobacco, sugar, salt .. And the money will be like that of a fool of a shag ... The king wasn’t after all. This whole state monopolized .. And the money to modernize the fleet and the army was enough and left for pence .. What kind of woodpeckers in the government sit something new invented ..

[prapor55]

So the king gave all this to his henchmen at the mercy, and their families are big and their offspring are all general. One only did not take into account the sun-faced one, this neo-cause will hand him over at the first good opportunity.

[Doliva63]

However, in September, common sense wins again.

[BAI]

Can. But this can provoke even greater performances.

[PValery53]

For the cannibalistic pension "reform" - the robbery of the elderly people, it is necessary to deprive the initiators, edorosovschiks of the majority in government.

[APASUS]

Our opposition does not need to invent anything! The power itself does everything for it to live and prosper. What kind of reform is failure ........... and everything is covered!

[16112014nk]

... an internal liberal policy that continues to ruin our economy.
Voinovich died yesterday.
Here is the atual expression from his book, "Life .... soldier Ivan Chonkin":
SOVIET POWER SO SO
OBJECTIVELY GOOD THAT EVERYONE
WHO DOESN'T LIKE IT
FULLY OR PARTIALLY,
IS CRAZY.
If you replace the word "Soviet" with the word "liberal", everything will fall into place

[Sweetheart]

Quote: 16112014nk

If you replace the word "Soviet" with the word "liberal", everything will fall into place

And if you remember that all of these Voynovichs, Solzhenitsins, who died and still smoked air like Gorbachev, in particular, are participants in the crime, then everything falls into place ...

[16112014nk]

What crime was Voinovich involved in?

[earloop]

Communist Party, Navalny, Udaltsov, these are the children of Chaos and Revolution (HaRe). The main thing is to stir up, and there: where the lame one will take.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: earloop

Communist Party, Navalny, Udaltsov, these are the children of Chaos and Revolution (HaRe). The main thing is to stir up, and there: where the lame one will take.

Nonsense is complete. You recall the fable. About the horse, cancer and doe, that you can’t do with it ...

[Captain45]

Quote: The Swordsman

Nonsense is complete. You recall the fable. About the horse, cancer and doe, that you can’t do with it ...

Are you from Nibiru or something has arrived, or for sure - you are a spy because every Russian Soviet schoolchild knows that in I.A. Krylov’s fable “Once a swan, cancer and pike ..”, and in A.S. Pushkin "You cannot harness a horse and a trembling doe in one cart ...". You do not know Russian classical literature. You are definitely a Western spy! That would have harnessed you to a cart and like a pike with cancer, so that they ran like a quivering doe

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Captain45

That would have harnessed you to a cart and like a pike with cancer, so that they ran like a quivering doe

Well, here you are with Golovan, Setrak and imagine it from yourself, why are you so fussing? Have you recognized yourself?
Idioms, metaphors, grotesque-you, Captain45, are clearly not understood. So even your reference to the authorities of Russian literature does not justify your fuss.

Quote: Golovan Jack

you made me evening

And how I laughed at your vanity with your comrades .. Continue.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: The Swordsman

remember the fable. about the horse, cancer and doe, what can’t be done with it ...

Fuck ... "three in one bottle," as they say. Fables, I mean, not a beast
Sweetheartyou made me evening

[Million]

"Arbeit macht frei" - in translation means "Labor makes free" or "Labor liberates."
The Medvedev government and edra members also think so ...
PS The inscription Arbeit Macht Frei was at the gate of the Sachsenhausen concentration camp

[Yves762]

Yeah ... Schasss!
If the position “against” in this topic had at least some real chance, all “these” (the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Fair, etc.) would sit quietly and not cuddle. And since the "ones" stick out, then the "against" to be here by definition is useless.
As there ..., with the Strugatsky: "Okay, be" against "..."

[UMA-UMA]

The complete collapse of thinking in power. I have no other definition. I will not dwell on the socio-economic sense of reform - this is disgusting. I’m talking about this. People have already taken to the streets and this is only the beginning. The rating is undermined and this is just the beginning. After all, enemies will certainly take advantage of this and support the protest mood, and here you have a swamp. Then someone shoots at the rally, the first blood and that’s all - a bloody riot. And no special services will help. Simple, continuous, widespread nearness.

[T.Henks]

The site seems to focus on the military. And other power. Someone wondered, and from what place does this contingent of citizens take money for weight? I will reveal the secret. From the budget. Not from PF. PF - this is for those with a bipod. And it is regrettable. Those who feed, drink and dress all officials, law enforcement and judicial. And fuss only on pensions of breadwinners. They want to omit them. And what the hell will change. And with advice, and with the bourgeoisie. If pensions were paid to all categories from the budget, and not from the PF type, everyone would have a general pain. And so only the division of the people. As soon as it comes to sharing money. Alas.

[Yan Sergeev]

The decision to increase the retirement age seemed to break something in the soul and consciousness of our people. A veil slept from his eyes, and his gaze showed a true face. The blind, irrational belief in the “wise king”, whom the greedy boyars deceive, with whom no adversaries could do anything, suddenly disappeared. The "king" did it himself. The people received sight. It was that red line, which was impossible to cross.

There was and is a constant mistake inherent in Putin’s rule. It lies in the fact that he categorically refuses to listen to the people, their hopes and aspirations, to act for the benefit of the absolute majority. His circle, for which he works “like a slave in the galleys”: Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais, Kudrin, Gref, Nabiullina, Sechin, etc., comprador and Western capital as a whole - this is not Russia. But this error is constant. This is the original given successor to Yeltsin, with whom the country has been living for almost 20 years. They talked to her, veiled and explained that it should be so, otherwise a bloody gebnya with commies would come and eat everyone. And people believed.

But pension reform has become Putin’s strategic mistake. Because reputational, economic and other losses resulting from its occurrence are many times greater than the hypothetical gain. From an economic point of view, this is like catching fish in the ear with the help of dynamite, when, to get one fish, the whole lake is jammed. In terms of reputation - an irreparable loss. It was naive to hope that 15 million people would quietly and silently accept starvation in a ditch, being thrown out of their apartments for non-payment. And this is a direct consequence of the pension “reform”, when there is no job, no pension. Personally, I, who, despite two higher educations, several retraining courses, rich experience and knowledge cannot find a job, is ready to humbly die of hunger. Tired of it. But there are only ones like me.

[BAI]

I have long decided how to vote on September 9th.

[Royalist]

I get the impression that someone from above decided to thoroughly anticipate the EP: on the eve of local elections, they offer the most stringent pension reform option. Knowing that the people will react negatively.
For what purpose this is done: a) to split the society and thereby help out some people in the international arena; b) introduce EP and an entrepreneur tied to the government in order to “fish in troubled waters” (most likely); c) to “warm up” society and at the last moment the guarantor will intervene, as in the dramas of Aeschylus Zeus, and say: "sha"

[Adimius38]

anti-people’s laws lead to such protests, United Russia is completely divorced from reality. People have the legal right to rally enshrined in the constitution. Their rights must be defended. Pension reform does not concern only one but each of us. Instead of fighting corruption and returning billions to the treasury, raising the tax for the rich, everyone wants to strip the pockets of the most vulnerable sections of the population. Money is not there look gentlemen United Russia

[mavrus]

Quote: Altona

Quote: MPN

And I welcome, only without Udaltsov ..

----------------------------
Now everyone is protesting, the Communists, the Left Front, the Right-wing Russians, the liberal non-systemicists of Navalny. Now it will be massive. Sergei, in principle, though he is PR himself, but he is well done as an organizer. Well anneals. Now is not the time to share the protest. The authorities themselves will begin to send in provocateurs and break up the protest. The Communist Party of course worked poorly; there are no mass rallies anywhere. The authorities quickly stifled the protest under all pretexts.

But now is the time to "share the protest" ... The main thing is not to let the bulkiers and other State Department dogs get on it. Otherwise, the "leading role of the Phashington Regional Committee", if it does not destroy (and already completely) Russia, will reduce the entire protest to clowning, uniting under the banner of edrosov all patriots who do not want the "Russian Maidan."

[Clueless]

Most of all, our central television channels amuse themselves, 1 and 2 .. on them are not a word about the rallies. For that, a bunch of programs that pensioners will live well if they work until they are 65 years old.
Particularly funny, like we will increase pensions by a whole thousand rubles. Yes, your division, go to the store creatures, and you spend this thousand just buying bread, vegetables and fruits in just a couple of minutes.
Moreover, if you put money in a bank, then a pensioner at the age of 65 will receive a pension many times more, and when he dies, the money will be transferred to his children. And then they came up with - like a pensioner died, hooray. the money went to the state, so we raise the retirement age

[Vadim237]

That's about these people you need to talk and help them, and not about pensions tryndet.

[kitt409]

Does someone MAKE you write here? It’s not interesting - pass by, and while we ourselves are able to decide WHAT and where to do it ...

[Royalist]

Quote: earloop

Communist Party, Navalny, Udaltsov, these are the children of Chaos and Revolution (HaRe). The main thing is to stir up, and there: where the lame one will take.

На Кубани был такой" убежденный коммунист" Кондратенко:" меня расстреливать поведут,а я останусь коммунистом", а через определенное время заявляет:" я давно наблюдаю за этими ребятами (ЕР): им можно верить....Коммунистам хорошо лишь, когда народу плохо, они умеют лишь разрушать" А Удальцов по-моему мутный тип

[lopvlad]

Quote: Royalist

Коммунистам хорошо лишь, когда народу плохо, они умеют лишь разрушать

при коммунистах была проведена индустриализация страны,побежден фашизм и самый низкий процент роста экономики был 5% в год перед приходом Горбачева (1985 год).
А сейчас с 2013 года экономика не растет а от падения её удерживают искусственно сокращая и отменяя социальные льготы для населения,вводя и повышая новые налоги и поборы с простого народа.Капиталистам же наоборот предоставляются новые льготы и преференции,предоставляется безвозмездная материальная миллиардная помощь.У нас Роснефть платить подоходный налог в бюджет 12% а простой народ 13% и имеет бензин по заоблачным ценам.

[NordUral]

Мутный тип - так это вы, а не Удальцов.

[Gradus HuK]

Quote: Vadim237

The subsoil belongs to those who deal with them: it develops deposits, transports, stores, processes, sells, invests in repairs, equipment, pays taxes to the budget and those who own shares in these companies - those who plow them - workers get paid , These companies are led by oligarchs. sponsor the development of mechanical engineering, sports complexes and much more - So what are your presentations to the oligarchs?

Недра принадлежат НАРОДУ!

[Vadim237]

Только той части народа, которая эти недра разрабатывает и добывает - халявщики проходят мимо.

[kitt409]

Народом в той части и не пахнет))
Но Вас это, похоже, не смущает)

[Vadim237]

Вы с начало посмотрите сколько человек работает в Газпроме, Лукойле, Роснефти и прочих - а потом городите "заборы" о том, что там народом не пахнет.

[kitt409]

Разницу между "принадлежат" и "работают" нужно объяснять?))
Не надо со мной подобной словесной эквилибристикой заниматься)))
Там , где "принадлежат", народом и не пахнет)...

[SCHMEL]

вопрос сформулирован неподходящим образом, и она готова помочь его переформулировать.

[Altona]

Митинг в Москве.

Митинг в Ульяновске

Митинг в Казани.

Митинг в Новосибирске.
Смотрите другие трансляции о митингах против социального геноцида на Youtube.

[Gradus HuK]

Ульяновцы МОЛОДЦЫ!Митинг впечатлил!

[Valeron45]

Все равно реформа пройдет. Кто бы и куда бы не выходил. Вопрос решен.

[Hadji Murat]

поддерживаю движение народа против повышения пенсионного возраста,в отставку правительство и президента!

[Hadji Murat]

Около 1800 человек собрал митинг против повышения пенсионного возраста и НДС на привокзальной площади во Владивостоке. Коммунисты, дети войны, горожане, активисты штаба Навального оставляли подписи за отмену реформ и требовали отставки правительства и президента, народного суда над чиновниками, продавливающими «антинародные законопроекты», и прекращения «издевательств властей над населением». Подписи приморцев будут направлены в правительство с предложением провести референдум против повышения пенсионного возраста.

[lopvlad]

Нависла опасность нового раскола

раскол уже произошел и это реальность сегодняшнего дня.Раскол между простым народом и властью с её халуями и обслугой.Власть решила превратить народ в рабов и скот а народ против.
Мы в СССР не просто родились свободными людьми,мы родились равноправными гражданами своей страны и такими умрем.
Протест полностью поддерживаю так этот протест за право быть гражданами а не без словесным рабом и работать как скот до сдоху.

[Mstivoy]

Только психически нездоровый человек может быть монархистом, тем самым самостоятельно насаждая на свою больную голову очередную династию уродов, только психически нездоровый человек может ставить в пример завышенный возраст выхода на пенсию в других странах, только психически нездоровый человек может с пеной у рта повторять мантру "на одного пенсионера два работающих" будто бы это что либо значит в данном вопросе, только психически нездоровый человек может обвинять социализм в том что КПСС "сдала" СССР. Истинная демократия лишь в социализме и нигде более , других демократий быть не может.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Пенсии платить должно работающие поколение и то, что этих денег не хватает - это вина молодого поколения, а не власти

ошибаетесь.Демографическая проблема всегда была ответственность власти.
По демографии всегда судили о царе и периоде его правления.
Растет численность населения и крепнет государства значит хороший правитель и власть а не растет или вымирает значит власть плохая и плохой правитель и его бояре.
Единственная заслуга Путина что он остановил Россию от падения в пропасть(остановил распад страны и заставил платить олигархов хоть какие-то подоходные налоги.) но вот от пропасти не оттащил (не провел индустриализацию и не заставил олигархов платить правильный прогрессивный налог за счет чего было бы возможно развитие страны и рост благосостояния народа),современными законопроектами власть может легко уронить Россию на самое дно пропасти при чем вместе с собой.

Такие законопроекты при существующем уровне смертности в России могли в голову прийти либо недоучкам по истории либо циничным подонкам.Кстати хотите прикол.
Тут некоторые депутаты предложили обложить налогом людей чьи родственники не смогут дожить до пенсии а также обсуждают законопроект о введении налога на велосипеды.

[lopvlad]

Quote: troset

С..т деньги где надо взять.

капиталистическое государство ставит превыше всего интересы капиталистов а пренебрегает интересами народа.Буржуй не будет грабить буржуя для поддержки народа.

[Mstivoy]

Коммунистическую партию России необходимо срочно реформировать, они не отображают дух нынешнего времени, а следовательно не понимают природу необходимости решительной классовой борьбы на сегодняшний день... Ленин был на 100% прав, когда говорил о бескомпромиссной борьбе против любого проявления лукавых социально политических устройств государства таких как монархизм и (рыночная демократия)капитализм, по сути своей скрывающих свои хищническую природу, проявляющуюся в виде феодализма и олигархата... Истинная демократия лишь в социализме, других демократий быть не может.

[Vadim237]

Социализм изжитая система - нужна новая.

[kitt409]

Та, которая у нас сейчас, типа лучше?(
И что за очередная попытка - сначала все разрушить, а вот только потом начинать что-то строить...

[Vadim237]

Сейчас ни кто ни чего не разрушает, только строят - 82 миллиона квадратов год

[kitt409]

Вы все на квадраты только измеряете?)
А насчет разрушено - здравоохранение, образование, как начальное, так и среднее с высшим, дальше перечислять?

[Vadim237]

Не знаю что там с медициной - больницы строят, современное оборудование закупают, учитывая последние достижения по математике и физике, на международных конкурсах, с образованием дела идут хорошо .

[kitt409]

Судя по одному из ваших постов, Вы отношение к бизнесу и оборонке имеете?
Я в эти области практически НЕ лезу, по самым разным причинам) но вот Ваши попытки рассказывать о том, о чем Вы имеете достаточно смутное представление - зачем?
Я как раз к образованию некоторое отношение имею и Вы мне рассказываете, что там все хорошо?((( Опять же зачем?
ну а медицина - закупать можно много чего, только когда в городе миллионнике в детской поликлинике, которых на микрорайон числом жителей 250 000 всего три, участковых терапевтов осталось ровно ТРИ, три, Карл, на всех, кто там закреплен, разделить 250 на 3 -сколько будет? И это дети.
В коммерческих больничках есть много чего -НО строго за денежку...
А налоги мы зачем и кому платим, причем уже ой как НЕ первое ДЕСЯТИЛЕТИЕ...
Успехи на конкурсах - это частности, уже многие поняли, что если они себя сами не сделают, то им никто не поможет...

[Vadim237]

"Уже многие поняли что если они сами себя не сделают то им ни кто не поможет" - Наконец то - народ прозревает, что каждый сам кузнец своего счастья, и это очень хорошо.

[kitt409]

На предыдущие вопросы Вы почему-то не отвечаете),
только вот таким понявшим начинают палочки вставлять, чуть только что -то наклевываться в плане развития получается и начинают "помогать", а проще говоря отжимать ...
did not hear?

[ljoha_d]

Нашли повод для раскола страны. Зашевелился муровейник

[kitt409]

Ничего себе - "повод", для многих речь идет о физическом выживании, не знали?Теперь уже знаете...

[ljoha_d]

В этом мало приятного наши местные умники это сделали уже давно только латвия никчёмная страна и используется только как плацдарм и произойти здесь ничего не может, а Россия сейчас сейчас на политической арене в положении окружённой недругами как с наружи, так и внутри со всякими пятыми колоннами спонсируемыми вы сами знаете от куда. Ситуация плохая никто не спорит, но этим скорее всего явно воспользуются как это было на Украине, Ливии, Сирии, да повод был там другой, но общее настроение то-же. Так что момент очень опасный для страны, мыслить надо шире чтоб потом не было поздно. Теперь вы тоже знаете..

[kitt409]

То есть лучше сидеть ровно на ..и вообще ничего не делать?
Извиняйте, ТАК УЖЕ НЕ ПОЙДЕТ - нечего было власти начинать лодочку раскачивать,забираясь исключительно в карманы граждан и никуда более, а то еще немного и все наши капиталисты(предприниматели) , хоть мелкие , хоть крупные (даже тут они есть))), начнут про возвращение крепостного права задумываться...

[ljoha_d]

Я лишь говорю что вся эта ситуация в данный момент довольно критична, очень много уродов у власти ведь страна большая за всем не уследишь, но всё я смотрю сводится к ненависти именно к Путину, вы можете сказать что нам от сюда ничего не видно, но в пределах такой мелкой страны как латвия твориться всё намного хуже пусть кто что не говорил. А тут размеры страны совсем другие должны же люди понимать. Мы русские которые остались здесь пусть на нас давят и не считают за людей гордимся наконец достойным лидером, хотя и среди нас тут есть Иуды ненавидящие и стыдящиеся родины пусть она и далеко. При таких размахах страны (России) и после такого времени беспредела в ней быстро наладить и подобрать всё не возможно вы же это прекрасно понимаете и сами. Шаг реформы в связи с санкциями во внешней политике и ситуации внутри страны вынужденный (я ещё раз повторюсь что я не сторонник таких мер) Но в данный момент это рискованно тюкю начинают на митингах ползать все кому не лень, а именно аппзиционеров которые вообще не работают, а отличии от народа.

[kitt409]

Начнем с начала - ненависти к Путину лично у меня нет, начала оччень не нравится его внутренняя политика, можно сказать. что это НЕ президент отвечает, это да, НО кто ТАКОЕ правительство себе подобрал?
Что Медведев(, что Мутко, что Голикова, список можно продолжить, не говоря уже о более мелких фигурах, типа Сердюкова и Васильевой...
Насчет быстро наладить невозможно - 17 лет достаточно хоть для чегго то?(
И реформа - совсем НЕ вынужденный шаг, есть ой немало вариантов наполнить ПФР, но это нужно к соратникам в карман залезать, а не к народу, вот и решили, что к народу и быстрее , и проще - ну это еще поглядим, у нас в городе выборы в сентябре, вот и схожу как раз...
Меня оппозиционеры волнуют достаточно мало, вот заставить власть услышать глас народа - это более важно - по моему...

[Demon_is_ada]

Заранее прошу прощения за длинный и нудный пост , но прочесть все таки стоит, а потом подумать...
На риторический вопрос "где деньги Зин" есть точный ответ - в метрополии , то есть та самая омерика и ее шестерки. На раннем этапе становления колониальной системы было банальное принуждение посредством войск, однако потом система эволюционировала и работает посредством веры баранов и контроля за финансовыми потоками. Для поддержания веры существует голливуд, и дикая пропаганда (советским политрукам даже не снилась), высшие школы економик, бюджетгые правила и прочая лабуда заточенная под конкретные цели ... бла бла бла... как это работает? Вы видели у Пескова на ручке котлы за пятизначную цену в енотах... а у пыльтриарха? А у молодежи айфончики??? Ну дык вотъ ... мы им эшелоны никеля, моря нефти и тд и тп, а они нам посылочку с котлами из швейцарии и айфонами... Ну и очень правильный товарооборот, еще и должны будете... а як же, ведь курс, внутренние цены, так что равноценный обмен, сальдо в порядке, товарооборот растет усе нормально ... в омерике , а у вас "денех неть, но вы там держитесь"...
Низкий курс рубля выгоден утверждает правительство... вопрос кому? Вот например в Узбекистане он совсем низкий, значит по логике там эффективное производство и они должны жить в раю... ага... тока у нас в селе появился рынок рабов, стоят с утра, продаются... сотни полторы будя... ага... а наши мечтатели в гейропах точно так же стоят... Думаю уловили как это работает? И не надо армий, затрат и тд, дешево и сердито... На дурака не нужен нож, ему покажешь медный грош и делай с ним что хошь... классика аднака... мая спать пошла...

[Penzyac]

Quote: Setrac

Quote: The Swordsman

Do you find the slave's fate sweeter?

Slave - from the word to work, and those whom you call slaves in Russian are slaves.

Всё наоборот, это слово "работать" происходит от слова "раб", а не слово "раб" от слова "работать". В русском языке кроме слова "работа" есть ещё слово "труд" свободное от связи с рабством, т.е. работа - труд вынужденный, подневольный, а свободный труд так и называется - труд и глагол от него будет - трудиться!...

[ANATOLY GAVRILENKO]

ДОСТАЛО! ПАРТИЯ ВЛАСТИ *ЕмРоссию* вспоминает о том ,что мы братья и сёстры ровно за пару месяцев до того как им нужно переизбраться во властные кресла,по окончанию же выборов они же сами начинают саботировать свои же обещания и решения по отношению ко своему же электорату,ПОДКУПАЮЩИЙ ЗАПРЕДЕЛЬНЫЙ ЦИНИЗМ! ЭТОТ ТЕАТР АБСУРДА КОГДА-ТО ДЛЯ НАС (ПРОСТЫХ ГРАЖДАН ОКОНЧИТСЯ) ОКОНЧИТСЯ?

[1536]

Simplicity is worse than theft - это такая поговорка.
В словаре Д.Н. Ушакова слово "простота" толкуется как глупость, скудоумие.
Верить "коммунистам", какие бы маски они не надевали, под какими бы фамилиями не прятались (ну, любят они всякие разные псевдонимы себе придумывать еще со времен Ульянова В.И.), нельзя ни в коем случае. КПРФ - это обычная буржуазная партия, засидевшаяся в "оппозиции", и рвущаяся к власти. Для этого надо "оседлать" народные недовольство и протесты. И вот появился очень "хороший" повод, который можно использовать. Вот это и есть настоящий цинизм!