Working up to ninety is great and easy!

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The image of the dark present and black future of Russia. Pension reform, amicably supported by United Russia, will lead to unemployment and impoverishment of the Russians. Against the background of popular protests against the reform imposed on top, which the authorities covered with a ball game, Putin’s rating collapse was recorded. This is written by foreign publications.


I want to eat. Russian deprived of all rights. 1992 Photo of the Year (www.globallookpress.com)




On the "Military Review" you can find readers' comments, the authors of which point to the lack of interest from the West, from human rights activists, from the US State Department on pension reform, which in Russia are strongly pushed by gentlemen in power. As so, some commentators are indignant: the advocates of true democratic values ​​are silent! “That is, I suppose, they categorically agree with this kind of democracy?” - inquires, for example, one commentator.

No, democracy advocates are not silent. In the largest Western media, we find a lot of materials on the topic of pension reform, promoted by the Russian government and the United Russia party. Another thing is that other Russian media for some reason bypass such materials side. And we risk looking through to read “The Washington Post”, “The Independent” and other “the” from abroad. And we will also pay attention to human rights materials.


Vladimir and Karl. 2018 Photo of the Year (www.globallookpress.com)


Large openDemocracy portal (oDR), an independent global media platform with over 8 million visitors per year, its pages dedicates analyzing social and political issues and even (oh, horror!) "seeks to educate citizens to defy power and encourage democratic debate around the world." Human rights - the main landmark of the site, and openness - the main method. This portal addresses “tough questions about freedom, justice and democracy.” Of course, the oDR stands for freedom in Russia and throughout Eurasia.

In late July, the site oDR came out material Anastasia Gein, correspondent for Znak.com, on pension reform in Russia. The report is called “The increase in the retirement age in Russia: six real stories.”

Six Russian citizens told the journalist what they thought about the upcoming reform. These six are among the first to experience the effects of pension reform. These are men born in 1959-1963, and women born in 1964-1968. In a few years they will reach retirement age.

Victor Moshkin from Yekaterinburg will soon be 55 years old. He is an engineer at the Sverdlovsk Regional Radio and Television Center. It works with electrical installations and devices (work in high-risk conditions). Already, he has "certain health problems." Who will need an engineer who will not pass a medical examination (employees of the company undergo a medical examination annually)? Already, Victor is not able to work at heights. “It’s impossible to find a job in 55,” he notes. And he adds that his colleagues are also excited by the pension reform. “I did not see anyone who would agree with this [reform],” he states. - Maybe the deputies in the State Duma don't care: their job is to sit in parliament. But our work is physical. ”

Marina Tsai from St. Petersburg - 51 year. “Despair is what I feel now,” she says. No, she is not an engineer, she is a designer in a small company. But the woman was about to retire in four years: she already has difficulty moving because of arthritis in her lap. In addition, one of her eyes sees poorly. Marina's work experience is 27 years. She likes the job, but she is not sure that she can work for a few more years. “If I lose my job, I will have no one to rely on,” she adds.

The next of the six is ​​Catherine Denina. “My father will not live to retirement,” she says. - Because of this reform, our entire family will suffer. We live in Bryansk, my father Sergey turned 55 in March of this year, and my mother Valentine is now 54 of the year. On July 1, our whole family went to a rally against raising the retirement age. I also wrote a letter to the presidential administration. We understand that our father will not live to retirement. He needs constant hospitalization due to his state of health and his work, and we pray that he is still alive by the time he is 60 years old. My mother should start working as a cleaner, but the pain in the joints is so strong that she barely falls asleep at night. And the government asks them to continue working ... ”

Sergey Denin, in question, is a veteran of the war in Afghanistan. His current job is difficult: he is a blacksmith, working on rolling stock. This job is very difficult to do in 55, and what will happen in 65? ..

Tatyana Astakhova, 52 of the Year, St. Petersburg, a health and safety officer at a construction company, said in an interview: “I have only one demand: the government must resign, and the president should be impeached.” “Just a year ago I was completely apolitical,” Tatyana recalls. “But now, faced with this blatant injustice, I want to do something ...”

Igor Sotnikov, 53, unemployed (making a living from investments), Ekaterinburg, says otherwise. He is convinced that the current scenario "we have already seen in Ukraine." People take to the streets, led by protesting persons - from Navalny to the Communists. First they talk about pensions, then they shout: “Down with Putin!” This scenario was run in Ukraine, and this is “the whole purpose of this reform,” Igor is sure. "Pension reform is initiated by the International Monetary Fund, whose headquarters is in the United States," concludes Sotnikov.

Yulia Voevskaya, postal operator, 50 years, Balashikha, considers the reform “a blow to the heart”. In her opinion, the “reforms” that the government is pursuing are “endless”. Julia did not plan to retire in five years, but was hoping to receive pension payments. “My vacation coincided with the World Cup. I happened to be in different regions of Russia. It all looked like a feast during the plague. Everything is great, people are funny, police are smiling, foreigners are happy. Meanwhile, the population is shocked, people are literally in tears! Because everyone in the regions is waiting: their mothers will receive their pensions, additional pennies for the family, or not ... ”

Oliver carroll in «The Independent» calls the bill on raising the retirement age in Russia "controversial" and reminds that it led to protests. For the project in the first reading only the ruling party "United Russia" voted. Moreover, several deputies of the ruling party, still known for their demonstrative loyalty, "mysteriously absent from the vote."

The controversial issue of pension reform has been repeatedly raised over the past two decades, but the government has repeatedly chosen a “deferment”. And it turned out that reform began to advance in the least favorable economic times. Most Russians from 2014 have faced a real wage cut. “The prospects are bleak,” the British columnist is convinced.

“According to state polls,” adds the author of the material, “the trust rating of Mr. Putin fell to a record low from 2011 onwards - below 38%.”

Even according to state sociologists (who, we will note in parentheses, the Western press traditionally does not trust), 8 from 10 Russians do not agree with the plans of the government. In Russia, there are protests against pension reform.

Critics accuse the state of the fact that the project of pension changes was announced without any discussion a few hours before the start of the football match between the national teams of Russia and Saudi Arabia. True, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov insisted that it was a coincidence ...

In some regions of the Russian Federation, the journalist reminds us that the proposed retirement age is lower than life expectancy: in Chukotka, in the Far East, the average life expectancy for men is 60,33, which is almost five years lower than the proposed retirement age.

“Putin’s hand” remained “strangely hidden” throughout the whole process of promoting reform. His press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, “distanced the president from the unpopular bill,” the journalist writes. State media “are under strict control,” they were even “ordered to avoid the word“ reform ”in order to avoid associations with“ chaotic ”1990 years, but instead adhere to a line emphasizing the need for reform. However, “an attempt to isolate the good king from the bad boyars may not turn out to be quite successful”: the president’s ratings “are steadily declining” in parallel with the decline in government popularity. This is “the first time that this happened after the annexation of the Crimea in the 2014 year,” the Briton states.

And here is another “coincidence”, the author writes further. On the eve and on the voting day, the Russian military released several videos showing tests of new weapons: Avangard and Dagger. Russians, Carroll reminds, as a rule, support the president’s foreign policy position, as opposed to domestic politics. And propagandists, apparently, decided to play on this.

Washington Post publishes material from the Associated Press.

It is noted that President Putin is apparently “trying to alleviate” public anxiety about pension proposals, and therefore declares that he will listen to “all opinions” on this issue.

Activists from the communist parties and parties advocating the liberal market held rallies around the country before the Duma vote. Protests show "unusually broad resistance to changes in pension plans."

Influential British newspaper "The Financial Times" ridicules Putin's attempts to give the people "bread and circuses." If the second (football) is all right, then the first is “difficult”. People themselves gave the Kremlin spectacle: in 45 cities (excluding those where the football championship was held), people went to protest rallies against raising the retirement age.

The ball game did not save Putin from a rating crash. His rating fell to its lowest level in almost five years. This happened even in spite of the fact that “the responsibility for the reforms was shifted to the unfortunate Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev,” the authors of the material say ironically.

Pension reforms will hit older voters and provincial laborers, who were previously an important component of Mr Putin’s electoral base, the newspaper reminds. The average life expectancy of men in the Russian Federation is below the new retirement age in 47 from the 81 region of Russia, the authors point out.

As experts have repeatedly stressed, the development of the country requires improving the investment climate, strengthening property rights and creating independent courts. Instead, “the Kremlin prefers to replace private investment with government spending, which is typical of Putin’s May decrees,” observers summarized. The championship is over, and now "the Russians will be poorer than they could be."


* * *


Several years ago, the Russian press laughed a lot at B. Obama: they say, not the president, but the lame duck. "Lame ducks" in the United States called presidents who went for a second term. On the second and last.

In 2018, Putin also went on his last date. (Some of his fans, however, think differently, even think of the royal throne for an irreplaceable president.) And since the last time in the Kremlin is last, popularity with the electorate is no longer required. And lining up in one row: the pension bill, the increase in VAT, the price of gasoline ...

Oh, of course, this is a joke! There is no row. All matches. There is not even “Putin’s hand” that foreigners often see. In dreams see.


Photo: twitter.com/navalny


Putin has nothing to do with it. The bad oligarchs, the liberal government, Medvedev, Navalny, Khodorkovsky, ukropropaganda, the State Department and the IMF are to blame for everything. These are all of them, and Putin alone is not able to fight off enemies. That is why he loses his rating, as a character of a computer game loses his “health”, on which various monsters press.

Comrades, let's rally around Putin! We provide him a rating in 86%! And even in 90! Working up to ninety is great and easy!

Or are we all agents of the State Department and all-propalschiki?

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  1. +40
    28 July 2018 09: 07
    What can I say ... in September we will see ... If the Edro are overturned in the elections, then yes ... we have the right ... and if not ... then we tremble further ...
    1. +49
      28 July 2018 09: 21
      that they are now up to the ratings, they have dug in for 6 years, and they will squeeze out all the juices from the people.
      1. +72
        28 July 2018 09: 33
        By 2018, the entire population of Russia was divided into the following separate social groups:
        - oligarchs 187 people
        - corrupt officials 579 000 people.
        - criminals suspected of calling for a change in the existing political system 138 people.
        1. +16
          28 July 2018 09: 52
          Quote: Cat Marquis
          Marquis the Cat

          There would be minuses - I would have slapped it without thinking. With the following, ahem, explanation:
          Firstly, the button accordion. This shnyaga here flickered a dozen times.
          Secondly - the joke is oak, to the extreme.
          Thirdly, people who do not belong to any of the three categories are not mentioned. And there are many such people.
          Not good. Undemocratic negative
          1. +3
            28 July 2018 10: 56
            There is no minus to sculpt, but an article
            280 Article. Public calls for a violent change in the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.
            1. Public calls for a violent seizure of power ...
            This is to the prosecutor.

            Quote: Cat Marquis

            3
            Cat Marquis (Marquis) Today, 09:33 ↑
            By 2018, the entire population of Russia has split .....
            - criminals suspected of calling for a change in the existing political system 138 people.


            Such dividers should be planted in the square so that the children can see what the lack of desire to go to school and the excess alcohol leads to.

            The inhabitants of the country are indignant at the failure of the people in power, and some bastards want to organize another unrest in Russia for this matter.

            The first thing that needs to be done is to restore LTP and send such “dividers” to court, so that there would be enough free time to sleep only .... occasionally.
            1. +29
              28 July 2018 14: 25
              Quote: For example
              280 Article. Public calls for a violent change in the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.

              The idea of ​​EP on pension reform?
              Yes, it’s time to apply to them, along with the entire liberal hangout in the economy, finances, and culture.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRzotmeuGfs
            2. +24
              28 July 2018 14: 47
              Quote: For example
              There is no minus to sculpt, but an article
              280 Article. Public calls for a violent change in the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.
              1. Public calls for a violent seizure of power ...
              This is to the prosecutor.

              Quote: Cat Marquis

              3
              Cat Marquis (Marquis) Today, 09:33 ↑
              By 2018, the entire population of Russia has split .....
              - criminals suspected of calling for a change in the existing political system 138 people.


              Such dividers should be planted in the square so that the children can see what the lack of desire to go to school and the excess alcohol leads to.

              The inhabitants of the country are indignant at the failure of the people in power, and some bastards want to organize another unrest in Russia for this matter.

              The first thing that needs to be done is to restore LTP and send such “dividers” to court, so that there would be enough free time to sleep only .... occasionally.

              but do you offer people to be patient and silent or assent to Putin's?
            3. +38
              28 July 2018 15: 12
              Quote: For example
              The inhabitants of the country are indignant at the failure of the people in power, and some bastards want to organize another unrest in Russia for this matter.

              stop And who is to blame? Are these "bastards" or anti-people, politically and economically untenable for the preservation of social guarantees and political rights to life for the common people in the country, oligarchic-capitalist power? Which does not want to change its general line in the country for its own enrichment - it strangles people with taxes, destroys small business and the middle class, aggravates the pension system, etc. - and doesn’t want to leave the government for anything, but only digs into it?
              Which ones will you be from?

              Here you recalled a story. So here in history, the source of all revolutions was precisely the socio-political failure of the ruling elite in the country. And then what do you then put in your accusations of the cat of the Marquis "cart" in front of the "horse"? This is wrong, illogical.
              Well, the Marquis cat repeated a bitter joke for other sites, like the one that says “Well, here you are, grandmother, and St. George’s Day!”.
              Quote: Marquis Cat
              By 2018, the entire population of Russia was divided into the following separate social groups:
              - oligarchs 187 people
              - corrupt officials 579 000 people.
              - criminals SUSPECTED in calls for changing the existing political system 138 463 001 people

              Let's take a look at this bitter joke. Since you from scratch accused the Marquis cat of allegedly unlawful calls for a violent seizure of power ..
              Quote: For example
              There is no minus to sculpt, but an article
              280 Article. Public calls for a violent change in the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.
              1. Public calls for a violent seizure of power ... This is to the prosecutor.
              Quote: Cat Marquis (Marquis) Today, 09: 33 ↑
              By 2018, the entire population of Russia was divided ..... - criminals suspected of calling for a change in the existing political system of 138 463 001 people.
              Plant such divisors per stake in the square
              Firstly. There are no calls here. There is a statement of the fact that the current power minority in the Russian Federation is divorced from the majority of the people 138 463 001 people. We can say that it is opposed to the whole people - in its entirety. And what - is this, in your opinion, not true? True. Putin's rating fell to the 2012 level of the year. This means that in his rating among the people we "drove"; and the historical annexation of Crimea, and the Crimean bridge, and the World Cup-2018, and much more. All these merits have been lowered into the rating toilet. And who is to blame? And the economic bloc of marketers in the Medvedev government is to blame, with edros in the State Duma, FS and Putin himself headed!
              And what do you suggest? Think about what you yourself offer!
              And you suggest you do not just change nothing in power, but start
              by antediluvian coercive repressive measures to tighten the screws on the majority of the people in favor of the continuation of the country's socially unsound policy of the upper classes. And this is nothing but a way to establish fascism in the country.
            4. +7
              29 July 2018 12: 00
              And what is wrong? Or we bastards (guzzling wolf) do not see what is happening in the country? Go vote for your happy EDR
              1. +1
                29 July 2018 12: 06
                Your vocabulary is yours RESPECT
            5. +5
              29 July 2018 12: 21
              Quote: For example
              1. Public calls for a violent seizure of power ...
              This is to the prosecutor.
              For example, two of you here asked with shovels, they’ve been looking for a long time, but you’re hiding in VO ... Get out from under the sofa, I don’t have enough of these two with shovels to drink tea ...
              R.S. My procurator gave the go-ahead.
            6. +2
              31 July 2018 14: 36
              Quote: For example
              The first thing that needs to be done is to restore LTP and send such “dividers” to court, so that there would be enough free time to sleep only .... occasionally.

              Perhaps they themselves were resting in these dispensaries? We went through this to sleep enough, and even then, occasionally. For YOU, who think in terms of eugenics, people are nothing - amorphous mass, plasticine yell !!! You, my friend, are not afraid, in which case, according to the court, get into the wrong cohort ?!
            7. 0
              2 August 2018 00: 04
              Thanks for the comment. But unfortunately there are few of them. Sober thinkers bypass such stuffing. And lunatics who consider themselves intellectuals and advocates of justice fly like flies on known substances. Look ahead of the planet all the same faces.
              And because the hypocrite is how much in vain - in another article, they shout with foam at the mouth and we are for Russia, and then for its destruction. We shout for justice, and then we ourselves judge everyone by their own rules. The article about Skripals is condemned by the Western media, and when it is profitable for them they are presented.
              This is a crowd, and it has its own rules. The intelligence of the crowd is equal to its most stupid member. And this crowd just give the bait, immediately show themselves in all their glory. You don’t even have to provoke. You read the comments and marvel at it — it’s true that whom God wants to punish — it deprives him of reason. And then in response to the representatives of the crowd I will say secret words - you are zombied by propaganda and do not understand anything.

              But I want to disagree - most of the residents are outraged by the failure of the authorities. They are just outraged. There is no need to go far - psychologists have long described this behavior. When people have something wrong, they need reasons for indignation. No matter what. They will not look for a problem in themselves, they will not understand the situation, they just need to poke to complain and scold someone.

              The crowds in front of our eyes constantly create the prerequisites for various unrest, and this ... this supports them. With joy, reading and listening to provocateurs, with joy, looking for where else who will be cheated and scolded.

              But to act - but why? The crowd loves only scolding while sitting on the couch and skipping beer. Who went to the rallies and showed their opinion against this law? Crumbs!
              The crowd has no opinion or desire. Just scream.

              And now the main thing is to say and speak out for ourselves - no, we don’t need it. We are happy to support the provocateurs, tore off the hat with a scream. Ugh.
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          3. +5
            28 July 2018 11: 29
            This is a variant of the old joke ..., after the expulsion of Adam and Eve from paradise, crime was generally 100% .....
            1. 0
              29 July 2018 13: 26
              Quote: wooja
              This is a variant of the old joke ..., after the expulsion of Adam and Eve from paradise, crime was generally 100% .....

              What? Angels in the joys of two button accordions tore? belay
          4. +16
            28 July 2018 11: 44
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            There would be minuses - I would have slapped it without thinking.

            A pity that they canceled. I'm all for it!

            "And they line up in one row: a pension bill, an increase in VAT, gas prices ..."

            It seems that people began to guess that something was wrong and scratching their turnips, trying to digest the huge flow of information that fell on him in the form of impending regular (experiments) pension reforms, VAT and other taxes.
            Dear Mart hi Thanks for the article, there is something to think about, but how to react to all this and answer is a question for all of us. drinks
            1. 0
              1 August 2018 02: 06
              Those who voted "For" I want to remind the poem of the English poet Robert Burns "... The donkey will remain a donkey, although you showered it with stars - where you need to act wisely, he pops his ears."
          5. +21
            28 July 2018 13: 19
            That's for sure. Not everyone counted. Still, according to medical statistics, 15% are just idiots - 20 million people. Moreover, some of this cohort even write here. Now democratic and good!
            1. 0
              28 July 2018 13: 43
              Quote: DVTamga
              Still, according to medical statistics, 15% are just idiots - 20 million people.

              I am scared by the numbers you quoted. hi Maybe medicine is not so powerless here? lol
              1. +1
                28 July 2018 15: 53
                Well, here's how to see who will benefit from glycine and who should be treated with current.
          6. +2
            29 July 2018 12: 25
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Not good. Undemocratic negative
            Roma, if the referendum in Crimea is annexation, then what is democracy? ...
          7. +3
            31 July 2018 16: 08
            Viktor Moshkin from Yekaterinburg will soon turn 55 years old. He is an engineer in the Sverdlovsk Regional Radio and Television Center. He works with electrical installations and devices (work in high-risk environments).
            This is a quote from an article. I have such an opportunity - to check for the presence of a person with such a surname in the state of television and radio centers throughout Russia. I am surning my name - there is Moshkin, but he is not an engineer, Alexey, and works in Altai, and not in the ECB. Crap, not an article.
            And if about the "reform" - now all future pensioners will not get about 800 thousand (men) or a wooden lemon (women). Total business. But they don’t take a job already in 50 years, and in 60 - even more so.
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        2. +8
          28 July 2018 15: 24
          Quote: Marquis Cat
          By 2018, the entire population of Russia was divided into the following separate social groups:
          - oligarchs 187 people
          - corrupt officials 579 000 people.
          - criminals suspected of calling for a change in the existing political system 138 people.


          not badly said, but if in this country all the juices are squeezed out of people, for example, in Ukraine, Russians just kill Russians and Putin, like the Russians don’t give a damn.
          1. 0
            28 July 2018 16: 44
            It’s what “all the juices” they are squeezing out of you - they would have become a mummy long ago, if it had been so in reality.
            1. +5
              28 July 2018 17: 22
              Quote: Vadim237
              It’s what “all the juices” they are squeezing out of you - they would have become a mummy long ago, if it had been so in reality.


              this money is the equivalent of labor, but what about muna were pin_ dos on the mun or weren’t?
        3. +8
          28 July 2018 16: 22
          I forgot about the security forces and the army that guard these officials
        4. 0
          1 August 2018 06: 01
          There is also a caste of prosecutors and other law enforcement agencies.
      2. +16
        28 July 2018 09: 54
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        that they are now up to the ratings, on 6 years they dug in

        As Zhukov said: "In the army, I and the sergeant command." If we choose the local government, which will change much sooner than the 6 years pass, the upcoming elections on the 9 of September of this year, then no matter how the Duma puffed up, any of its bad laws can be ignored for any reason, there are a thousand reasons to not comply with them.
        "The suite makes the king." So let's make the retinue the way we need it.
        All to the polls! Down with EP !!!
        1. +9
          28 July 2018 10: 56
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          that they are now up to the ratings, on 6 years they dug in

          As Zhukov said: "In the army, I and the sergeant command." If we choose the local government, which will change much sooner than the 6 years pass, the upcoming elections on the 9 of September of this year, then no matter how the Duma puffed up, any of its bad laws can be ignored for any reason, there are a thousand reasons to not comply with them.
          "The suite makes the king." So let's make the retinue the way we need it.
          All to the polls! Down with EP !!!

          Why doesn't the president help change the retinue? Can he turn to the experience of 37?
          1. +3
            28 July 2018 11: 03
            Quote: free
            Why doesn't the president help change the retinue?

            The suite is struggling to arrange a crisis of power in the country — their foreign owners need it to start tearing Russia apart — they thoroughly studied the experience of Crimea. I think that Crimea and Chechnya will not go to the secession, but at the expense of Bashkiria and Tataria, I’m not sure that these republics were preparing their fighters for perestroika, they were only waiting for Chechnya to end ... Their militants haven’t gone anywhere, they are waiting for an occasion and sponsors with cookies ...
            1. 0
              28 July 2018 11: 56
              FSB smashed them neither training camps in the mountains
              1. 0
                28 July 2018 12: 07
                Quote: Fitratovich
                FSB smashed them neither training camps in the mountains

                The camps were destroyed, but people remained ...
            2. +5
              28 July 2018 22: 23
              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: free
              Why doesn't the president help change the retinue?

              The suite is struggling to arrange a crisis of power in the country — their foreign owners need it to start tearing Russia apart — they thoroughly studied the experience of Crimea. I think that Crimea and Chechnya will not go to the secession, but at the expense of Bashkiria and Tataria, I’m not sure that these republics were preparing their fighters for perestroika, they were only waiting for Chechnya to end ... Their militants haven’t gone anywhere, they are waiting for an occasion and sponsors with cookies ...

              So I’m not talking about that. You’re saying that you need to change the edro in the elections, no one is against. But why shouldn't the president help us in this common business? After all, the service is in his fist. And you look, the rating would cease to fall, and maybe it began to grow .
              1. 0
                29 July 2018 07: 23
                Quote: free
                why don't the president help us in this common cause

                The fact that we are balancing on the verge of decay, I already wrote. Now a little about something else.
                Putin once said in one of his interviews that he wants Russia to develop even after his departure. I convey the meaning - not the exact quotation.
                We already had Stalin, who helped people feel freedom, but after his death, everything returned to normal. Whatever the process is not reversible, the people must realize their strength and their responsibility for their choice. Putin provides such an opportunity.
                About ratings. They are raised by the Democrats, so that it would be easier for them to hide behind them. The wider the back of Putin, the easier it is to create ugliness.
                1. +3
                  29 July 2018 09: 21
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: free
                  why don't the president help us in this common cause

                  The fact that we are balancing on the verge of decay, I already wrote. Now a little about something else.
                  Putin once said in one of his interviews that he wants Russia to develop even after his departure. I convey the meaning - not the exact quotation.
                  We already had Stalin, who helped people feel freedom, but after his death, everything returned to normal. Whatever the process is not reversible, the people must realize their strength and their responsibility for their choice. Putin provides such an opportunity.
                  About ratings. They are raised by the Democrats, so that it would be easier for them to hide behind them. The wider the back of Putin, the easier it is to create ugliness.

                  You started talking like a priest saying that the Lord wants you to prove yourself and therefore leaves you face to face with all kinds of injustices and hardships of life, and then you will be rewarded according to your affairs. Boris is unconvincing, not convincingly. If Putin is like you just tell him it is imperative that people show who they really are. And trying to play the dark leads people to believe that Putin and the edro government are one and the same.
                  1. 0
                    29 July 2018 09: 28
                    Quote: free
                    If Putin is the way you tell him, it’s absolutely imperative to prove himself so that the people can see who he really is

                    He who sees, he sees, he who hears, let him hear.
                    I understand that for more than a thousand-year history of Christianity in Russia, we have been taught that there should be someone alone who is for everyone. In the United States, a system has been created that does not depend on the will of the president, but also on the will of citizens. But we need to build such a system that it works for all of us, and for this we need to realize ourselves. Otherwise, everything will end with the departure of Putin and the time of hard times will begin again like 90's ...
                    1. +1
                      29 July 2018 10: 50
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Quote: free
                      If Putin is the way you tell him, it’s absolutely imperative to prove himself so that the people can see who he really is

                      He who sees, he sees, he who hears, let him hear.
                      I understand that for more than a thousand-year history of Christianity in Russia, we have been taught that there should be someone alone who is for everyone. In the United States, a system has been created that does not depend on the will of the president, but also on the will of citizens. But we need to build such a system that it works for all of us, and for this we need to realize ourselves. Otherwise, everything will end with the departure of Putin and the time of hard times will begin again like 90's ...

                      And again by! I didn’t speak in our place, I said why he won’t help us !? He has more opportunities than any of us. So why doesn’t it help?
                      1. 0
                        29 July 2018 11: 43
                        Quote: free
                        I didn’t speak in our place, I said why he won’t help us !? He has more opportunities than any of us. So why doesn’t it help?

                        I will answer with two quotes from smart books.
                        “Indeed, Allah does not change what is with people until they themselves change what is with them.” (Quran 13: 12)
                        “... the Kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they will not say: behold, it is here, or: behold, there. For behold, the kingdom of God is within you ”(Luke 17: 20-21)
                        Do you propose that Putin become Stalin, that we again build a bright future for everyone, and what will happen after Putin is gone? Another restructuring? Another robbery of something that does not understand the people? We have already gone through this. Do not step on the same rake.
                        If there are still questions - write in a personal. hi
                      2. +1
                        29 July 2018 19: 26
                        Quote: free
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: free
                        If Putin is the way you tell him, it’s absolutely imperative to prove himself so that the people can see who he really is

                        He who sees, he sees, he who hears, let him hear.
                        I understand that for more than a thousand-year history of Christianity in Russia, we have been taught that there should be someone alone who is for everyone. In the United States, a system has been created that does not depend on the will of the president, but also on the will of citizens. But we need to build such a system that it works for all of us, and for this we need to realize ourselves. Otherwise, everything will end with the departure of Putin and the time of hard times will begin again like 90's ...

                        And again by! I didn’t speak in our place, I said why he won’t help us !? He has more opportunities than any of us. So why doesn’t it help?

                        Eh Boris! Don’t do it in a personal way, why don’t you like it? Your post phrases below do not explain anything. Because phrases about God do not at all reflect a person’s actions even if this is a president. Boris is weak and not at all convincing, there’s nothing to tell you. I understand. It is unlikely that people need a president who himself does not want to do anything.
            3. +1
              31 July 2018 14: 44
              Quote: Boris55
              The suite is struggling to arrange a crisis of power in the country - this is necessary for their foreign owners to start tearing Russia apart

              Take a broader look - what if not ?! What if, under these slogans, a new serfdom is being prepared ?! I’m not sure of anything anymore - we just HAVE all of us! And who, the question is not even the second ..... what difference does it make!
          2. +2
            28 July 2018 14: 16
            ..in 37 it was easier - only the radio was, and then under proper supervision ..
          3. MPN
            +2
            28 July 2018 14: 41
            Quote: free
            Maybe he will turn to the experience of the 37th?

            Well, well, the first thing that will be is a significant reduction in the participants in the discussions on the VO website ...
            1. +1
              28 July 2018 19: 40
              Quote: MPN
              Quote: free
              Maybe he will turn to the experience of the 37th?

              Well, well, the first thing that will be is a significant reduction in the participants in the discussions on the VO website ...

              Oleg-Mart will go first, and after him many of us ... a steam locomotive.
          4. 0
            1 August 2018 02: 20
            free:
            In this case, it is not the retinue that makes the king, but Putin is made by his curators to whom he is completely subservient.
          5. +1
            1 August 2018 14: 11
            Quote: free
            Why doesn't the president help change the retinue? Can he turn to the experience of 37?
            Do you think Stalin was omnipotent ???
            Transcript of the meeting of the Military Council at the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR 1-4 June 1937

            Petrovsky. With Ivan Panfilovich Belov, we also spoke frankly that the question obviously rests not only on Turovsky, but goes much further, because we observed the lives of these people, saw who was connected with whom. Ivan Panfilovich even said that he directly hates, cannot look indifferently at Uborevich, and I told him that the question in Ukraine also affects Yakir. But beyond this, we did not lead. There was not enough Bolshevik courage to go and raise the question of where it should be. Therefore, the reproach of the people's commissar must be fully accepted, for we did not complete the matter in the sense of raising questions before Comrade Voroshilov.
            Take Ukraine. I commanded the 14 Cavalry Division there, and therefore I will allow myself to speak of cavalry. Cavalry is not united in Ukraine. Is there chervonets, it seems, as if its own organization, where no one is allowed.
            Budyonny. Ukrainian.
            Petrovsky. Yes Yes. there is Kotovtsy and were Kotovtsy, and there is budennovtsy. I came to Ukraine in the 14 division as a Budyonnovsky and felt disgusting. Comrade Voroshilov knows my anti-cavalry mood, not in the sense that I do not like cavalry ...
            Stalin. It is unprofitable for the Budennovites.
            Petrovsky. I am a Budyonnovts, and so on. Budyonny considers me a Budyonnovts.
            Stalin. In Ukraine, it is unprofitable to be a Budyonnovts.
            Petrovsky. Quite right, unprofitable. I came to Yakir and told him: “Iona Emmanuilovich, you can’t work like that anymore, the cavalry is divided into 3 different groups that are at war with each other and which are set against each other. ” After some time, I managed to leave the cavalry in the Moscow Proletarian Division, and I did not finish this matter. It’s my fault.
            Stalin. This is the worst.
            "
            that is, Stalin knows everything knows (and everyone knows that!) - that the cavalry was divided into 3 units, having a war at the doorstep, but can’t do anything ....
            Shoot - helped? Schaz !!! and entered the war with the contradictions in the cavalry
        2. -1
          3 August 2018 18: 52
          And here it is, you can’t go to the polls so that the king’s retinue gets nervous.
      3. 0
        30 July 2018 19: 43
        But we must start smoking, otherwise these will be forever (more precisely, while the masters of the West allow), but with us everything will be very sad, I’m not talking about children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
        It is necessary to fight, but within the framework of the law, not succumbing to provocations.
    2. +6
      28 July 2018 10: 41
      It would be nice to analyze the number of employees and the number of pensioners. Because many payers simply do not live up to their retirement. In addition, all large state-owned companies pay extra to their retirees. Government officials receive pensions directly from the budget and they are higher than simple, which is absolutely unfair, given the results of their work. Millionaires generally do not pay pensions.
      1. +5
        30 July 2018 19: 46
        The best statistical report is given by grave signs in cemeteries. With the date of birth and death. there, the "ours" power has not yet thought of banning knocking them out on monuments and crosses.
    3. +10
      28 July 2018 11: 51
      Quote: Vard
      What can I say ... in September we will see ... If the Edro are overturned in the elections, then yes ... we have the right ... and if not ... then we tremble further ...

      The key posts are everywhere their people. Panfilova will work hard to earn her salary.
      So what elections ...
      1. +2
        28 July 2018 14: 01
        I absolutely agree with you ... you don’t have to run to the barricades with cobblestones - this is death for the country, but with pure thoughts and reason to go to the polls ...
        and everyone should use their right to choose, and not sit out on the couch, swearing drunk and Putin, and the government with deputies ... that’s what we get best of all ...
        1. +1
          29 July 2018 12: 38
          And between whom actually choose? between conditional Putin and conditional Zyuganov-Navalny? And what exactly is the difference?
          And they don’t go to the elections not because of the mythical merger of the “cattle” with the sofa, but because in fact people are much smarter than the authorities think of them, they all see and they all understand that they have no real choice, which means that they vote where, in principle, nothing is solved, there is no sense for them either.
          1. +2
            30 July 2018 22: 30
            Would you pass by, my friend. Do not agitate us for not participating in the elections.
            1. 0
              31 July 2018 12: 24
              If you allow yourself to send me, I won’t stay in debt either - well, come on, baby ... to the polls, there for the people like you, the hosts built special corrals with the words "Communist Party", "LDPR", " SR ", there you can dream sweetly about the possibility of a real choice. And it’s nice for you to amuse the virtual FSB, and the Masters of life will get real legitimacy and the opportunity to milk “cattle” with impunity, because cattle itself, personally, delegated such a right to them. Idyll. Stability. Built for ages.
      2. 0
        30 July 2018 19: 48
        But it is necessary to control the elections. Cleverly without breaking the law. Fix 100% of those who came to the polls and compare with the result. Then a competent appeal to the courts and again fixing their work. And so in everything. The power of the people will break the power of thieves and crooks!
    4. +14
      28 July 2018 15: 04
      Edro? Knock over? Yes, not even funny! March "fair" elections. As they hinted that the authorities didn’t give a damn about who the people would vote for! That spit 146%! Or are they seriously convinced that 76% of citizens cast their vote for IT? Not funny even in a cube ...
      "It’s important not how they voted, but how they counted!" (with)
      1. 0
        30 July 2018 19: 49
        Control and control again. And forget about the sofas and cottages on election day!
    5. +3
      28 July 2018 15: 17
      interesting for Putin 76% and that all for raising the retirement age, for inflating prices for goods, utilities, gasoline, because Putin passed the Russians in the Donbas, but hobnob with the Jews, because they constantly cut military programs, for a huge percentage bid when their breeders can not use their own money. Are people really such fools? But maybe 76% is fiction and deceit? Then closer to the truth.
    6. +16
      28 July 2018 19: 00
      Quote: Vard
      If Edro overturned in elections

      In elections, you will never overturn them. It’s necessary to go and vote against, but there is no need to build illusions
      1. +1
        30 July 2018 19: 52
        We must vote not against these, but in favor of ours. The unity of actions of candidates from the people and the people themselves will not allow us to deceive us as brazenly as they did in March.
    7. +2
      29 July 2018 01: 14
      We have to start all over again hi
    8. +1
      31 July 2018 15: 38
      Do not worry, Solntseky will cancel the election results in case of failure of the EP. And it will continue to be 6 years in advance.
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  2. +5
    28 July 2018 09: 08
    Oleg, with all due respect to you and your materials, but this topic is honestly starting to annoy. But this is not expected from you
    Comrades, rally around Putin! We will return him a rating of 86%! And even in 90! Work up to ninety - great and easy!
    Nevertheless, I am right and the policy of the site has really changed from neutral to anti-GDP. Sorry.
    1. +6
      28 July 2018 09: 21
      Nevertheless, I am right and the policy of the site has really changed from neutral to anti-GDP. Sorry.
      I agree. Something with public "conclusions" is going wrong.
      1. +52
        28 July 2018 09: 36
        Quote: Terenin
        from neutral to anti GDP

        You know, in the first elections he voted and campaigned for him. And now, I have an extremely negative attitude both with him and his politics. Capitalism or not capitalism is not important. The important thing is that he is lying looking into his eyes. It is no different from Gaidar, Chubais and Co. All the same, but only in profile.
        1. +21
          28 July 2018 10: 46
          And you are not the only one, support +++.
        2. +12
          28 July 2018 12: 22
          Quote: Silvestr
          The important thing is that he is lying looking into his eyes. It is no different from Gaidar, Chubais and Co. All the same, but only in profile.

          the team is one, what differences can there be, except that “Chubais is the strongest of us” does not hide behind the violinists, therefore “we have a lot of money”
        3. +2
          30 July 2018 19: 54
          Silvestr! You huge +! Before the election, he still believed a little that he wouldn’t lie. But he lied and lies to us further.
    2. +30
      28 July 2018 09: 23
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Sorry.

      sorry site? Putin? people? who feel sorry for? the first two, neither cold nor hot, only the third will be affected. so, is it better to be silent?
      1. +4
        28 July 2018 09: 28
        You're right! Neither the site nor the authors of my "sorry" is not cold and not hot. I understand that everyone needs to feed his family, but abruptly change beliefs within six months (especially for some) this is called differently.
        1. +18
          28 July 2018 10: 28
          Why confuse the concepts? Do not change, it is called differently, rather it is an understanding that changes in domestic policy are NOT expected, at least in the near future ...
          For a long time I had no questions about foreign policy, now they begin to appear even there - do we have enough money for retirement? Then why do we regularly spend this money on humanitarian aid in Syria? Why, instead of my mother, they feed someone in the SAR (VISIBLE)?
        2. +31
          28 July 2018 10: 51
          Marshal try to understand one thing, people supported Putin hoping for a change, The fact that Medvedev and the company will be removed from the eyes.
          And here it is for you here, poorly eat citizens for a football action, chew on Dagon for five and eight years.
          And such a long silence of the guarantor caused a lot of questions, and his speech is not unambiguous. And people remember his promises not to raise the retirement age.
          Note those Putin are touched to a much lesser extent than Dmitry and edrosnyu.
          Well, to change beliefs, the phrase against the background of certain promises is ambiguous in two ways.
          So this is not a change of belief, but a response of citizens to deception.
          Everything is expected and fair, what is it like to say hello to such an answer.
          1. +14
            28 July 2018 13: 23
            True said. Nevertheless, it is not clear that there is money in the country (although fools say that it is not), the president’s support is awesome (there was). It would seem - build a bright future. But somehow the authorities are not in a hurry to do this. And then dubious thoughts begin to climb. What if the king is not real!
      2. +2
        28 July 2018 11: 48
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Only the third will be affected. So, is it better to be silent?


        The third extra is the law.
        The third must go .. hi
      3. +1
        30 July 2018 19: 55
        Someone on VO, I will not point a finger, really wants us to shut up and reconcile.
    3. +15
      28 July 2018 09: 31
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But Comrades did not expect this from you, we rally around Putin! We will return him a rating of 86%! And even in 90! Work up to ninety - great and easy!

      it's sarcasm, i think so
      1. +4
        28 July 2018 09: 44
        it's sarcasm, i think so
        Ask Oleg Chuvakin, he always wrote interestingly and with a soul. I used to like his articles on "ZZ" (The Rotting West), but then they disappeared. Given the fact that some authors changed their shoes on the go since January this year, I can’t even imagine sarcasm or a new position. But writing is not bad.
        1. +22
          28 July 2018 09: 50
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Given the fact that some authors changed their shoes on the go since January this year, I can’t even imagine sarcasm or a new position.

          perhaps they didn’t “change the shoes”, but received insight? it happens.
          1. +2
            28 July 2018 10: 00
            enlightenment?
            Were you blind before with your life experience, education, worldview? Is it strange?
            1. +18
              28 July 2018 10: 33
              rotmistr60 (Gennady)
              Were you blind before with your life experience, education, worldview? Is it strange?

              Exactly; many were “blind,” and now their eyes opened and people became aware of the complete failure of their past idol.
              1. +2
                28 July 2018 10: 36
                All liberal hapota applauds you.
                1. +14
                  28 July 2018 10: 45
                  Quote: rotmistr60
                  All liberal hapota applauds you.

                  Gennady! You noticed that the whole dialogue against GDP and liberals has been deleted. And you say that the site is against GDP!
              2. +4
                28 July 2018 11: 32
                Exactly. And the king is naked!
            2. 0
              30 July 2018 19: 57
              Not all are so wise by life experience and knowledge, as some gentlemen on the site. I will not poke in names. Many hats already smoke with might and main.
          2. 0
            28 July 2018 10: 16
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            perhaps they didn’t “change the shoes”, but received insight? it happens.

            Or the team passed laughing
            In the words of Uncle Fedor’s father, the sums go off one by one, and here - they all broke loose ...
            1. +3
              28 July 2018 10: 32
              Quote: Boris55
              Or the team passed

              everything's possible.
              1. 0
                28 July 2018 15: 27
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                everything's possible.

                An interesting point of view (~ from the 1 minutes):
            2. 0
              30 July 2018 19: 58
              So you said about yourself.
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              2. +1
                28 July 2018 10: 36
                Quote: Silvestr
                he is the main liberal

                We never heard the word sarcasm, no ...
                Look at the movie, maybe you will understand what it is.
                Sylvester, you are not stupid, like, a person. Why troll something so thick? Disappoint request
                1. +11
                  28 July 2018 10: 38
                  I do not like sweeping accusations. I am a liberal! It’s ridiculous.
                  1. +4
                    28 July 2018 10: 41
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Me and the liberal

                    Ummm ... Your education is ruining you.
                    The word "liberal" in the newspeak has long (having lost its original meaning) means something like "radish" (a bad person).
                    Just as the word "legitimate" does not mean at all what it originally meant, but something like "cute and kawaii."
                    It is not healthy, but that's it request
                    1. +6
                      28 July 2018 10: 43
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      The word "liberal" in the newspeak has long meant something like "radish" (a bad person).

                      exactly! hi
                      1. +1
                        28 July 2018 11: 58
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        I am a liberal!

                        Yes, you are my friend handshake? hi
        3. +8
          28 July 2018 11: 54
          Quote: rotmistr60
          I used to like his articles on the topic "ZZ" (Rotting West), but then they disappeared.


          Well, maybe the west has ceased to rot, but are we slowly starting to?
          We must also open our abscesses, especially since we are all more interested in our problems. It’s painful and unpleasant, but it’s necessary, otherwise it’s completely rotten ... alive. hi
          1. +7
            28 July 2018 14: 35
            Arberes Today, 11:54 ↑ New
            Quote: rotmistr60
            I used to like his articles on the topic "ZZ" (Rotting West), but then they disappeared.


            Well, maybe the west has ceased to rot, but are we slowly starting to?
            We must also open our abscesses, especially since we are all more interested in our problems. It’s painful and unpleasant, but it’s necessary, otherwise it’s completely rotten ... alive.

            So already ...
            Over the past 6 years, we have added 6-7%. The world added 30%. China -70%.
        4. +12
          28 July 2018 12: 43
          The president changed his shoes. Why can't people change shoes?
    4. AUL
      +13
      28 July 2018 10: 04
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Nevertheless, I am right and the policy of the site has really changed from neutral to anti-GDP. Sorry.
      And I am sorry that the GDP pursues a policy that is directed against the people who once voted for it.
      Given the fact that some authors changed their shoes on the go since January this year, I can’t even imagine sarcasm or a new position.
      And you do not give yourself the trouble to think, what caused such a change in position? Perhaps people have quite objective reasons? People generally tend to change their position in changing conditions!
      PS "While I am the president, there will be no increase ..."
      1. 0
        28 July 2018 10: 23
        Quote from AUL
        And I am sorry that the GDP pursues a policy that is directed against the people who once voted for it.

        And what did you personally dislike about the May Decrees of Putin that define our life?
        1. AUL
          +18
          28 July 2018 10: 29
          That they are not being executed!
          What did you like?
          1. 0
            28 July 2018 10: 31
            Quote from AUL
            That they are not being executed!

            Yes, Putin only entered the month for a new presidential term!
            Concretization of the "May decrees" is the government. In September the Duma will convene and will approve the country's budget. How much the May decrees will be funded by the government and the Duma, how much they will be implemented.
            1. +20
              28 July 2018 10: 39
              Quote: Boris55
              Yes, Putin only entered the month for a new presidential term!

              so his decrees of 12 of release are not fulfilled
              1. +1
                28 July 2018 10: 41
                Quote: Silvestr
                so his decrees of 12 of release are not fulfilled

                So we liked it - we again brought into power those who under-executed those decrees.
                1. AUL
                  +7
                  28 July 2018 12: 50
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  so his decrees of 12 of release are not fulfilled

                  So us I liked it - we again brought into power those who under-executed those decrees.

                  So ... Urgently specify - who are you?
                  1. 0
                    28 July 2018 12: 54
                    Quote from AUL
                    So ... Urgently specify - who are you?

                    I clarify. When i talk we - these are all those who came to the Duma elections and as a result, with deafening success, defeated EP.
            2. +10
              28 July 2018 11: 32
              Quote: Boris55
              Concretization of the "May decrees" is the government.

              As I understand it, such a macar fulfills the decree "To provide an age threshold for a healthy life up to 67 years"?
              1. 0
                28 July 2018 11: 37
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                As I understand it, a decree is executed in such a way

                But with a makar, this is already the prerogative of Medvedev and his Duma. Any problem has many solutions. We entrusted our problems to the EP and its chairman, Medvedev.
                1. +6
                  28 July 2018 11: 59
                  Quote: Boris55
                  We entrusted our problems to the EP and its chairman, Medvedev.

                  Well, yes, they chose. Well, even though my conscience is clear, I did not vote for them.
                  1. 0
                    28 July 2018 12: 09
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    Well, even though my conscience is clear, I did not vote for them.

                    I also smile
                2. AUL
                  +2
                  28 July 2018 12: 51
                  Quote: Boris55
                  We entrusted our problems to the EP and its chairman, Medvedev.

                  It is when?
                  1. 0
                    28 July 2018 14: 18
                    Quote from AUL
                    It is when?

                    18 September 2016.
                3. +7
                  28 July 2018 14: 14
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Any problem has many solutions. We entrusted our problems to the EP and its chairman, Medvedev.


                  Any problem has a surname and a position! wink
                  Now in the next election there will be a Sabbath of BDSM, and again, “with all my heart” will win .... you know who lol
                  "Because more for whom" wassat
        2. +6
          28 July 2018 22: 10
          Quote: Boris55
          And what did you personally dislike about the May Decrees of Putin that define our life?

          Borya, with the May decrees defining our life, Putin and everything that he allegedly signed, kill yourself against the wall. Personally, I do not like this body made up for Putin, lying, not blushing, at every step, mumbling like a cow for every uncomfortable question.
        3. +1
          30 July 2018 20: 02
          Their impudent demonstrative default. And the lack of dissatisfaction of the guarantor with this sabotage. Even praised the government. And should I like it?
      2. +1
        28 July 2018 10: 39
        AUL
        People generally tend to change their position in changing conditions!
        We are Pskov (Pskov) .... film "We are from Krondstat"?
        1. +2
          28 July 2018 11: 19
          Quote: rotmistr60
          We are Pskov (Pskov) .... film "We are from Krondstat"?

          "Born of the revolution"
          1. AUL
            0
            28 July 2018 12: 54
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: rotmistr60
            We are Pskov (Pskov) .... film "We are from Krondstat"?

            "Born of the revolution"

            No, all the same, "We are from the Krondstat" The episode with the interrogation of a "foreigner".
            1. +1
              28 July 2018 13: 13
              means repeat
              1. AUL
                0
                28 July 2018 15: 41
                Quote: Silvestr
                means repeat

                Kinolyap is simple.
        2. +1
          30 July 2018 20: 15
          Not everyone, Gennady!

          Here is what he wrote before the March elections. And many, very many also do not change anything.
          Of course, I have changed since the end of 80's, but this is a good part of my life. And it was impossible not to change. they drew us some perspectives, but in the end they drew what we now have - organized crime groups in power.
    5. +24
      28 July 2018 10: 14
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Nevertheless, I am right and the policy of the site has really changed from neutral to anti-GDP. Sorry

      dear. and you did not think that
      anti GDP
      gave birth to anti-people actions of the authorities? if the government acts for the benefit of who will blaspheme it? if, excuse me, you are sickle according to your troubles, and you are an asana? do good and you will be good, but if it’s bad ... praise the authorities and the president personally, and most importantly, reasoned.
    6. +16
      28 July 2018 10: 18

      rotmistr60 (Gennady)
      Oleg, with all due respect to you and your materials, but this topic is honestly starting to annoy

      Your annoyance is understandable and not surprising. Putin's supporters are annoyed by the most important socio-political topic on which he showed his true negative attitude to people, to the people as a whole. negative
    7. +3
      28 July 2018 10: 54
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Oleg, with all due respect to you and your materials, but this topic is honestly starting to annoy. But this is not expected from you
      Comrades, rally around Putin! We will return him a rating of 86%! And even in 90! Work up to ninety - great and easy!
      Nevertheless, I am right and the policy of the site has really changed from neutral to anti-GDP. Sorry.

      Why? Why did this happen?
    8. +20
      28 July 2018 12: 12
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Sorry.

      It’s certainly easier to lay down, but when suddenly the salary is lower than the Chinese one, they collect 2.5 million from each family from scratch, leaving them practically without work in their old age, you will think about it in captivity.
      Are you all import substituting?
    9. +6
      28 July 2018 16: 23
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Nevertheless, I am right and the policy of the site has really changed from neutral to anti-GDP. Sorry.

      Everything is in your hands and head, write the corresponding article to restore balance.
      For example: the cat Motya from a pro-Putin site, and he closed the discussion of government actions, there is nothing to answer him to people.
  3. -1
    28 July 2018 09: 16
    The large openDemocracy portal (oDR), an independent global media platform with over 8 million visitors per year,
    What? Global ?? From 8 million a year ??? Then the Rain channel is just an intergalactic messenger. And all the whimpers about the collapse of the GDP rating are simply copied with hohlosmi.
    1. +12
      28 July 2018 09: 31
      Quote: Serge Gorely
      all the whimpers about the collapse of the GDP rating are simply copied from hohloos


      "The spontaneous trust rating of politicians is headed by Vladimir Putin - 37,9%. The second place in the list is taken by Sergey Shoigu - 14,6%, the third - by Sergey Lavrov - 11,3%.
      The electoral rating of the United Russia party was 25% according to the results of the poll from June to 1 in July. "VTsIOM, July 38,1, 6 Link.
    2. +7
      28 July 2018 10: 32
      As for the whimpers with hohlosmi, I don’t know, But I know one thing for sure - if there were elections now - I wouldn’t vote for the GDP, and something tells me) that there are a lot of such people ...
      1. BAI
        +1
        28 July 2018 10: 51
        September 9, you can vote if there are elections in the region.
        1. +6
          28 July 2018 13: 35
          Elections, that is, only doubts are taken as an account ...
    3. AUL
      +3
      28 July 2018 13: 00
      Quote: Serge Gorely
      And all the whimpers about the collapse of the GDP rating are simply copied with hohlosmi.
      Of course! Rallies all over the country will be held tomorrow, where they will demand that the car "Cortege" be taken from the GDP. To exclusively carry it (GDP, not a car) on hand in gratitude!
  4. +3
    28 July 2018 09: 21
    It is best to chat and accept pension reform. To laugh, groan, as in the days of "Yes, Yes, No, Yes," and adopt with endurance worthy of the best application proposed by the "government" laws. Well, in fact, the trade unions, which, in general, are not at all, but nominally still remaining, are silent, like aliens, the youth do not understand what is at all, dreaming of one thing: "When the hell takes you ... "(they themselves taught what to blame for the mirror?), those who have already retired, just stupidly pray to God that he allowed them to be born earlier and enjoy consuming the spruce TV that spills from the TV screens. And the generation of 60-70's? .. Well, after the 90's there are not so many of us left, half are without children, therefore, the house is work, the rest are at least poorly arranged, or make ends meet, and retire -submission and so did not count. Rally, vote? It is foolish to speed up the process, because those who come to the “change” will act even more brazenly and quickly. So, everything is fine, gentlemen, everything is going according to plan. Capitalism, it is capitalism in Africa, and even more so in Russia.
  5. +4
    28 July 2018 09: 26
    crying it's over, we all die ... crying
    1. +7
      28 July 2018 09: 36
      Quote: Masya Masya
      crying it's over, we all die ... crying

      "everything will be fine, but if not, everything will be very bad ..."
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        1. +2
          28 July 2018 13: 12
          love
          Quote: Cat Marquis
          we will “break through”!

          - Where didn’t we disappear?
          - Yes, almost everywhere! lol
          1. +1
            28 July 2018 14: 32
            ..we were everywhere, even in a deep ass - occasionally ..
    2. +6
      28 July 2018 12: 58
      Quote: Masya Masya
      crying it's over, we all die ... crying

      Sooner or later.
      But to live to 75 is now: "a matter of religion." Spite!
      hi
  6. +2
    28 July 2018 09: 52
    Well, complete unanimity. It is impossible to raise the retirement age, but it is necessary to raise pensions.
    Turn the situation around. And let's raise a protest - and advocate for REDUCING the retirement age. Men - up to 50, and women ... Well, from 30 ... Which of the women is recognized at his age. laughing and all require. Now, I’m paid a small salary, I’ll go and demand a raise ... A businessman will raise it (well, suppose). But his competitor is not. As a result, the workshop (factory, company, ...) goes bankrupt. And you find yourself "on the street" with your big salary. And completely inappropriate qualifications requests.
    Does this arrangement suit you?
    The same situation with pensions. Want a big one? And at 50? But for the state to pay? - then to the army, and to the generals. Or in the nuclear industry. "To the North" ... Well, etc. Yeah, not hunting "in boots", but hunting freebies, and early? Then you need to look for another planet. In this place - no.
    1. +13
      28 July 2018 10: 53
      Your alignment is very distorted for some reason, if you change the rules of the game after it started, well, you sat down to play the fool, trumps announced clubs, but five minutes after the start of the game trumps suddenly and changed - now there will be a tambourine, it’s To yours, is it normal, or is it time to apply candilabobers?
      if they announced that for citizens of that year of birth, the rules of the game from that year would be like that - there would be an order of magnitude less questions ...
      P.S. If I hadn’t wallowed with a cough, most likely bronchitis (then I would definitely go for an action
    2. +8
      28 July 2018 11: 09
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I get paid a small salary, I’ll go and demand a raise ... A businessman will raise it (well, suppose). But his competitor is not. As a result, the workshop (factory, company, ...) goes bankrupt.

      I, so that because of the increase in the salary, the enterprise would go bankrupt, I have not yet seen or heard such a thing. If it does not bother you, can you give an example?
      1. +3
        28 July 2018 11: 27
        Quote: solzh
        I, so that because of the increase in the salary, the enterprise would go bankrupt, I have not yet seen or heard such a thing. If it does not bother you, can you give an example?

        Let me explain to you on your fingers:
        - there is you, a good entrepreneur who pays his employees twice as much as your competitor
        - let’s say yours and competitors work equally efficiently, but
        - while your costs are greater than that of a competitor. And the profit (that can be invested in the development of the office), respectively, is less.
        - accordingly, you inevitably begin to lag behind in development (and who does not develop at all - they eat that, this is one of the laws of the market) from a competitor. And the competitor begins to overtake you.
        - with such a development of events you will be eaten with inevitability. Not necessarily tomorrow, but in a very visible period of time.
        So clearer?
        1. +8
          28 July 2018 11: 33
          Only now you are missing one very important detail, well, “... let's say yours and a competitor’s office work equally efficiently ...” (c) - with a salary twice as high and, accordingly, you have the opportunity to CHOOSE QUALITY PERSONNEL, this is unlikely ...
          1. +1
            28 July 2018 11: 49
            Quote: kitt409
            Only now you are missing one very important detail

            Not me, but you:
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Now, I’m paid a small salary, I’ll go and demand a raise ... A businessman will raise it (well, suppose). But his competitor is not. As a result, the workshop (factory, company, ...) goes bankrupt

            Nothing is said about the "recruitment of personnel" under the conditions of the task.
            Other, although true, but "outside the scope" of the issue under discussion.
            Somehow request
            1. +6
              28 July 2018 13: 30
              Did you decide what was the problem here?)
              Well then, decide for YOURSELF, but in general it’s somewhat different here)
              1. +1
                28 July 2018 13: 59
                Quote: kitt409
                Did you decide what was the problem here?)

                The discussion limits are set by the root comment. So, at least it used to be. Something has changed? IMHO no.
                I gave you a quote from the topic starter. Few? Well then I ... wash my hands request
                1. +2
                  28 July 2018 22: 13
                  So what, what is the quote? Does the meaning of this change? In my opinion, no ...
        2. +10
          28 July 2018 11: 43
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Let me explain to you on your fingers:

          I work as a tax consultant, I don’t need to be dismantled, especially on my fingers.
          Regarding costs ... With rising costs, revenue should increase. If revenue growth does not occur, therefore, the expansion of the sales market does not happen the same, then the merchant or sales managers are not doing their job. You
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          So clearer?
          1. +2
            28 July 2018 11: 46
            Quote: solzh
            I work as a tax consultant, I don’t need to be undone, especially on my fingers

            Fine good
            Quote: solzh
            With rising costs, revenue should increase

            It was originally about what you (by a willful decision) took, and doubled the salary of your staff.
            What is the "revenue growth"? Everything is as it is.
            But the costs have risen.
            Do not be lazy, look at how the conversation began - I think everything will become clear to you.
            1. +2
              28 July 2018 13: 59
              The growth will be, albeit not instantly, those who come to a higher salary, as a rule, work better (better), therefore, during the same time they produce more units of production (or better quality) and sales and then revenue grow. t.d.
              1. +1
                28 July 2018 14: 16
                You are still somewhere this one, like his ... eh, I don’t need superfluous preys ... too stubborn, so to speak.
                Once again, where did the discussion begin:
                Quote: Mountain Shooter
                Well, complete unanimity. It is impossible to raise the retirement age, but it is necessary to raise pensions.
                Turn the situation around. And let's raise a protest - and advocate for REDUCING the retirement age. Men - up to 50, and women ... Well, from 30 ... Which of the women is recognized at his age. and all require. Now, I’m paid a small salary, I’ll go and demand a raise ... A businessman will raise it (well, suppose). But his competitor is not. As a result, the workshop (factory, company, ...) goes bankrupt. And you find yourself "on the street" with your big salary. And completely inappropriate qualifications requests.
                Does this arrangement suit you?

                You, having torn out one phrase from the context of the discussion (highlighted in red), begin to shine here with erudition ...
                Indiscriminately. My disrespect negative
                1. +3
                  28 July 2018 22: 11
                  Personally, your disrespect or respect does NOT interest me in any way.
                  And it’s time for you to understand that the situation that the colleague has outlined will simply NOT be in life ...
                  PS With regard to erudition - I didn’t even try to start, why, I’m going here a little with different goals ...
                  1. 0
                    28 July 2018 22: 17
                    Quote: kitt409
                    It’s time for you to understand that the situation that the colleague has outlined will simply NOT be in life

                    I understand that very well.
                    The situation was described in the order of bringing to absurdity (I hope you know what it is) of some, ahem, ideas.
                    Consider this as a task in a textbook, and everything will become immediately clear.
                    All, I'm sorry - I explained the same thing three times in different words, IMHO enough.
                    You understood, did not understand - that is your business.
                    All the best hi
                    1. +1
                      28 July 2018 23: 20
                      Task, say?))) Not existing in nature. but the task)))
                      And all the best to you hi
        3. +11
          28 July 2018 14: 25
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Let me explain to you on your fingers:
          - there is you, a good entrepreneur who pays his employees twice as much as your competitor
          - let’s say yours and competitors work equally efficiently, but
          - while your costs are greater than that of a competitor. And the profit (that can be invested in the development of the office), respectively, is less.
          - accordingly, you inevitably begin to lag behind in development (and who does not develop at all - they eat that, this is one of the laws of the market) from a competitor. And the competitor begins to overtake you.
          - with such a development of events you will be eaten with inevitability. Not necessarily tomorrow, but in a very visible period of time.

          Oh, what an incorrect comparison. We are talking about pension contributions of citizens during their work. Instead of paying them pensions at 60-55, the holder of these insurance premiums decided to reduce the number of those receiving pensions by raising the age that gives them the right to receive earned pensions. Thus, the state receives savings in the amount of 50% due to those who have not survived to retirement, approximately 25% due to inflation of the salaries of future pensioners, etc. .... Note, we are talking about mandatory pension contributions established by the state for each working person. Do you want to cancel them? Then the burden on the business will be less. And, if you also obligate you to work for free, for a cup of pottage, yes, until death? Isn’t something like this happening now? On the "minimum", minus the communal, travel and clothing, can I buy something more than a plate of pottage? And, the desire to raise the retirement age above the survival limits of 47% of the population does not mean “death on the plantation” for them?
          Call for slavery? And, slave, do you entrust expensive equipment? Indeed, it was because of this reason that slavery collapsed, including. Cost reduction? And, do you not consider reducing the payment for yourself-beloved? Often, when speaking about the average salary in a hospital, in an enterprise, in a department, the following happens: the salaries of “topmamagers” are added together with the rest of the employees and divided by the total amount. And if without "topmanagers"? Just moderate their appetites and how will the profitability of enterprises increase? And if you remove the "relatives" from the enterprise and the costs of "representation" in the form of expensive cars and "business trips" with girls for an even budget? A gold toilet with representative "guest houses"? God forbid, you decide on this! laughing
          1. +1
            28 July 2018 14: 37
            Quote: Dumb
            Dull

            I already told you that your nickname is, in fact, correct, but very softened.
            Quote: Dumb
            Oh what an incorrect comparison

            And this is not a comparison.
            Walk to the top of the twig (you should probably be able to do this), and read what and why the comrade wrote there Mountain Shooter.
            There will be questions - ask. Topikstarteru.
            But I don’t need to troll, I can troll myself (c) Yes
        4. +6
          28 July 2018 22: 30
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: solzh
          I, so that because of the increase in the salary, the enterprise would go bankrupt, I have not yet seen or heard such a thing. If it does not bother you, can you give an example?

          Let me explain to you on your fingers:
          - there is you, a good entrepreneur who pays his employees twice as much as your competitor
          - let’s say yours and competitors work equally efficiently, but
          - while your costs are greater than that of a competitor. And the profit (that can be invested in the development of the office), respectively, is less.
          - accordingly, you inevitably begin to lag behind in development (and who does not develop at all - they eat that, this is one of the laws of the market) from a competitor. And the competitor begins to overtake you.
          - with such a development of events you will be eaten with inevitability. Not necessarily tomorrow, but in a very visible period of time.
          So clearer?

          Your jack fingers are crooked because in that case, reduce the amount you put in your pocket and that's it.
          1. +1
            28 July 2018 22: 35
            Quote: free
            free

            I wanted to say something, al ask what?
            1. +2
              29 July 2018 19: 28
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: free
              free

              I wanted to say something, al ask what?

              I’ll say. You're lying!
          2. +7
            29 July 2018 08: 28
            That’s not always what you’re saying right now. Even three years ago I would completely agree with you ... And now the owner of the enterprise where I work is pale ... The equipment has been taken on credit, the parts are 2 times more expensive, 5 years have passed from the moment of opening, taxes started to be torn to the fullest ... Land tax alone costs a huge amount .... It just so happened that the development of the enterprise is rare and there is a lot of free land. And nobody cares that on this earth it is impossible to build something for profit. Communications alone will not allow. Well, you can’t build on heating pipelines, water supply and sewerage lines. All resource-supplying structures squeeze out all the juices. Last year, the price tag was almost doubled for wastewater services! This is not counting the overall increase in services. Food industry enterprises, hairdressers, chemical plants and some others from last year must pay extra for wastewater, if the volume of wastewater per day is less than 30 cubic meters ... * For the negative impact on sewage systems * Now if there are more than 30 cubic meters, then that's all normal, but even less then you negatively affect and pay actually a double tariff ... Is this not discrimination in favor of large holdings and corporations? And the antimonopoly committee is silent for some reason ...
        5. +4
          29 July 2018 08: 05
          Your comment is very rare, with which I completely agree. One tax will crush only with the increase of salary. Many enterprises, due to taxes, go into the shadows. It is not realistic to import everything in our realities, and the dollar and euro exchange rates really put on the brink of ruin a huge number of enterprises depending on foreign components. A ceremony is required for equipment, but spare parts are two times more expensive, there are no analogues ... We have raised the minimum rate with a wounded coefficient Now 17608 rubles. So many immediately forced workers to sign a new labor contract at 0.75 rates ...
    3. +18
      28 July 2018 12: 10
      In the beginning, the whole situation was perverted in the task. It looks like this for you, you signed a contract for people with 5 lei, with a salary of 20000 a month and a certain amount of work, and here a month before the end of the contract you say - "the old contract is wrong, return all the salary for all 5 years, we will conclude a new one a contract with a salary of 10000 rubles, and the fact that you worked is not important, I forgive you for this. ". So with the reform, people concluded an agreement with the state, and now 1-5 years before the end of the agreement, the state says the agreement is wrong, we will conclude a new one. In normal circles, this is called fraud and is punishable by criminal liability.
      1. +2
        29 July 2018 01: 34
        The first and only comment that really describes the current situation! hi
    4. +3
      28 July 2018 13: 51
      "The text of Article 39 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation as amended for 2018: 1. Everyone is guaranteed social security by age, in case of illness, disability, loss of a bread-winner, for raising children and in other cases established by law. 2. State pensions and social benefits established by law. 3. Voluntary social insurance, the creation of additional forms of social security and charity are encouraged. "

      But is this alignment suitable? We have a social state, it takes care of children, the elderly and the disabled. Those. no flock of animals. And if there are opinions of "advanced" citizens, then they can not give a damn. Before voicing your deep thoughts about the “correct” world order, it would be nice to get acquainted with the merits of these citizens to society. They probably lost their health in the army, brought a lot of taxes to the general piggy bank, gifted everyone with an intellectual product? As a rule, these are living on interest or self-employed with exorbitant ambitions, or primitive speculators. And often from their activities in the end only harm.
    5. +9
      28 July 2018 14: 56
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, complete unanimity. It is impossible to raise the retirement age, but it is necessary to raise pensions.
      Turn the situation around. And let's raise a protest - and advocate for REDUCING the retirement age. Men - up to 50, and women ... Well, from 30 ... Which of the women is recognized at his age. and all require. Now, I’m paid a small salary, I’ll go and demand a raise ... A businessman will raise it (well, suppose). But his competitor is not. As a result, the workshop (factory, company, ...) goes bankrupt. And you find yourself "on the street" with your big salary. And completely inappropriate qualifications requests.
      Does this arrangement suit you?
      The same situation with pensions. Want a big one? And at 50? But for the state to pay? - then to the army, and to the generals. Or in the nuclear industry. "To the North" ... Well, etc. Yeah, not hunting "in boots", but hunting freebies, and early? Then you need to look for another planet. In this place - no.

      Maybe just cut back on the appetites of the “generals” and their servants, and even reduce their number to a minimum? Maybe just take up the real fight against corruption? Or maybe just send them all to another planet? Let them build their society there from their own kind, because we are the majority and this is our planet. hi
  7. +29
    28 July 2018 09: 54
    I take my ass off the couch and go to the All-Russian protest action against pension reform, I started in 11 in our city, I do not call anyone, everyone decides for himself, but I will go, I can not be silent.
  8. +12
    28 July 2018 10: 14
    The increase in the retirement age, for which the majority in the Duma voted, I mean the EP, except N. Poklonskaya, this is a direct violation of Article 55 of the Constitution. What should the Guarantor do? That's right, dissolve the Duma and demand the initiation of criminal proceedings against those involved. However.............
    1. +1
      28 July 2018 10: 25
      Quote: Ivan58
      this is a direct violation of Article 55 of the Constitution

      Bullshit. Show where your prescribed in the Constitution (and in the 55th it is about this) right.
      1. +4
        28 July 2018 10: 41
        Read it.
        1. +1
          28 July 2018 11: 13
          Quote: Ivan58
          Read

          What, excuse me, "read"? belay
      2. +6
        28 July 2018 14: 30
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: Ivan58
        this is a direct violation of Article 55 of the Constitution

        Bullshit. Show where your prescribed in the Constitution (and in the 55th it is about this) right.

        The right to a real pension by reducing the likelihood of surviving to this event. Didn't it occur to you? hi
        1. +1
          28 July 2018 14: 53
          Quote: Dumb
          The right to a real pension by reducing the likelihood of surviving to this event

          Eco, you pulled a cool owl ... I’m watching, I’m watching ... and I just can’t look enough.
          Darling, we read the Constitution:
          Quote: Article 7 paragraph 2

          2. In the Russian Federation, labor and human health are protected, a guaranteed minimum wage is established, government support is provided for families, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood, the disabled and elderly citizens, a system of social services is being developed, state pensions are set, benefits and other guarantees of social protection

          This time. And further:
          Quote: Article 39

          1. To everyone guaranteed social security by age, in case of illness, disability, loss of a breadwinner, for raising children and in other cases established by law.

          2. State pensions and social benefits are established by law.
          ...

          Where, tell me, is the retirement age here?
          Right, nowhere.
          And here, Art. 55 of the Constitution?
          Right. Nothing to do with.
          Quote: Dumb
          Didn't it cross your mind?

          No. Such a campaign, only you come to mind laughing
          1. +1
            28 July 2018 17: 33
            3. The rights and freedoms of man and citizen may be limited by federal law only to the extent necessary to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, ensure the defense of the country and the security of the state.

            So everything is correct, bastards can.
          2. +1
            30 July 2018 11: 43
            And it never occurred to you that an increase in the retirement age is a deterioration in human rights? However, according to clause 2 of this article, laws impairing rights cannot be adopted in the Russian Federation. How do you think this does not occur.
  9. +2
    28 July 2018 10: 26
    The facts are the following: among the developed countries of the world we have the lowest retirement age, in Japan it is generally 70 years for everyone. Women with us practically do not work, taking into account their average life expectancy. Pension is a tax on employees. And at the same time, our citizens for some reason believe that they should live like in Germany, without putting any effort into it, and in the conditions of the demographic pit of the 90s, whose generation is now of working age.

    After all, it is much easier to believe in greedy officials than in the objective reality of a lack of resources.
    1. +19
      28 July 2018 10: 58
      Quote: EvilLion
      The facts are as follows: among the developed countries of the world we have the lowest retirement age, in Japan it is generally 70 years for all

      You believe that Russia is a developed country. how is japan
    2. +27
      28 July 2018 11: 30
      I'm sorry I don't care about Japan and their retirement age.
      You will probably be surprised, but in Japanese companies it is simply not customary to fire your employees under any difficulties.
      Is it not by chance that a liberal-democratic government has driven a country into a demographic pit or is it the machinations of the Judeo-Masons?
      Why citizens with honestly working and paying taxes should not live in Germany?
      You want to say that our officials have a model of efficiency?
      Germany, which does not have such natural resources, has industry and lives normally. What the hell should I perceive the nonsense given out in the guise of excuses trying to rob me as a citizen by a certain amount and extend the age of work, to trust a government that is not effective.
      Now about the resources, and why are they lacking? They are what the people drunk on drunk (citizens, as you say, do not make any efforts) or the economy is not working normally. the government does not know what?
      Well, in general, the glory of EDR and pension reform.
      1. 0
        29 July 2018 00: 39
        And who cares who the country is in dem. drove a hole? You won’t ask them anymore. But those who live will have to plow a lot.

        And yes, the economy just doesn’t give a damn about what you do not care, you either work hard to produce a lot of products and provide the country with the opportunity to sell them more expensive (this is important if there isn’t enough strength, technology will not help you), and you live well, either live poorly. And do not blame the officials to whom you simply attribute your own desire to steal.

        So work like in Germany, but don’t want to, but you know, don’t want, don’t arise. Well, what kind of resources are there, in the permafrost of Yamal, for example, it’s difficult to extract them so hellishly, and those who do this have corresponding salaries.
        1. +7
          29 July 2018 01: 55
          Quote: EvilLion
          So work like in Germany, but don’t want to, but you know, don’t want, don’t arise.

          Do not mind working like in Germany, otherwise we don’t even have heating in the workshop. In Germany, I suppose it will be warmer. And will they also give me a salary in Germany?
        2. 0
          29 July 2018 09: 06
          Well, I work and produce, and that some kind of economy we have is not liberal liberal or economists like that.
    3. +7
      28 July 2018 14: 30
      Do you know that in the same Japan, the length of the working day is strictly limited !!! and God forbid you to be at work at inopportune time
    4. +5
      28 July 2018 17: 36
      Japan: A basic old-age pension requires 25 years of insurance experience and 65 years of age. The size of such a pension can be reduced to 58% of the established level in the event of retirement at 60 years of age and increased to 188% for retirement of 70 years or more.
      The minimum payout is about $ 600. The average pension in Japan (base) is around $ 700.
      Well, who would refuse like in Japan -60 years minimum pension 20t.r.
    5. +16
      28 July 2018 17: 45
      Well, are there not enough resources? Read the list of the richest forbes. And 1.2 trillion to save the “Discovery” that year was easily found, and at the expense of taxpayers. And the Rottenberg law, compensating for the loss of oligarchs from sanctions, also at the expense of the population? Revenues are privatized, and losses are nationalized. And migrant workers in the statistics of workers in Russia are taken into account? And do they pay taxes in the PF or work in gray schemes? And if you count them, then how many employees will we have for one pensioner? Do you want me to sit in the evening for you and find so many resources that another couple of Russia is enough smile Something like that.
      1. 0
        29 July 2018 00: 41
        Man, do you understand that in other countries, officials are no better than ours? They steal in the same way, if not more.
        1. +10
          29 July 2018 01: 38
          THOSE. Do you suggest that our officials steal further? wassat
        2. +3
          29 July 2018 09: 28
          Explain, man - what is the connection between thieves in other countries and our pensions?
  10. +18
    28 July 2018 10: 37
    It’s interesting, but have the government calculated the costs of the new genocide (pension reform) of the people in the country. I’m 60 (suppose), there is no work, no pension, a burden on the neck of the family. What to do? Take a bat, a crowbar, a knife, a gas bottle and go rob a bank, gentlemen of deputies, oligarchs. It is necessary to feed the family, but there is nothing left to lose, life has been lived, and children should not be a burden. It will turn out well, but it will not work !!! So it’s also good, women are not really needed anymore, a plate of balandy in the prison has been put at the state’s expense, and there’s no medical help, and it’s easier for the family, one mouth and less medicine. And there are tens of millions of such people around the country. Will the treasury cope with tens of millions of forced convicts? But they just wanted to eat. As long as the people have Walbass in the refrigerator, there will be peace in the country, but when there is no sausage, there will be enough pillars for all the gentlemen. Khrenova deputies remember the story.
    This is in no way a call to action, these are the possible outcomes of ill-conceived mockeries (reforms) by the brainless leadership.
    1. 0
      28 July 2018 10: 45
      Even if this law rolls around, its full implementation will come as early as 2034 - for 16 years everything can change several times, with a high probability Russia's GDP will be over 200 trillion by that time and the budget will be 38 trillion, respectively - there will be enough money for everything, and there retirement age may be adjusted for lowering.
      1. +12
        28 July 2018 12: 07
        Quote: Vadim237
        Even if this law takes a ride, its full implementation will come as early as 2034th

        you're wrong, 1959 will retire a year later
        Quote: Vadim237
        years during this time several times everything can change

        that's for sure, someone will embed, someone will knock over the cordon. There will be new faces in the Kremlin and I immediately remember a joke about 3 envelopes
        Quote: Vadim237
        with a high probability, Russia's GDP by this time will be over 200 trillion and the budget, respectively, 38 trillion

        judging by the lack of money now and the lack of desire to develop their country, it is very doubtful
        Quote: Vadim237
        enough money for everything

        definitely enough for another war of liberation

        Quote: Vadim237
        and then the retirement age can be adjusted to decrease.

        name for 18 years examples of the actions of the authorities, when prices would decrease and people's lives improved
        1. 0
          28 July 2018 16: 06
          They build infrastructure - build, build kindergartens - build, build new hospitals - build, roads, bridges, factories, factories, build - why not improve life. There is money, only they go to the Reserve Fund, which is correct, as long as there are additional incomes, it is necessary to replenish the economic airbag that has been empty since 2008. And GDP grows by 8-10 trillion rubles every year, in 16 years if everything is the same as it is now, then there will be trillions of 228-260 of Russia's GDP in 34 — but this if there are no next economic crises.
          1. +10
            28 July 2018 17: 36
            Quote: Vadim237
            They build infrastructure - build, build kindergartens - build, build new hospitals - build, roads, bridges, factories, factories, build - why not improve life

            so why is there no money to treat children, retired old people?
            maybe not everyone has an improvement?

            here he has an improvement
            1. 0
              28 July 2018 23: 45
              There is no money for treating children - because the population simply scored on subsidies for treatment, but why they can be collected instantly through SMS.
              1. +8
                29 July 2018 01: 46
                WHAT? What other "treatment subsidies"? People pay all taxes. And if the state cannot make up the budget of the Ministry of Health, it is the fault of officials, not the people. In a normal state, for raising funds for an operation, officials should go to court! am
                1. 0
                  29 July 2018 13: 08
                  Such subsidies for treatment, the friend’s wife for the removal of aneurysms, were allocated an operation of 800000 rubles, and fundraising through SMS is a private initiative - charity.
      2. +9
        28 July 2018 14: 28
        Quote: Vadim237
        Even if this law takes a ride, its full implementation will come as early as 2034th

        You will ruin the country.
        Why the answer is here.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRzotmeuGfs
        And you simply have nothing to object to.
        1. 0
          28 July 2018 16: 20
          This so-called "truth-telling" - a mutant from the CPSU, put yourself on the table in the form of an icon, pray to him and believe in a bright future - and my faith in him and his party, ended back in early 2000 - I will develop my production and make plans for the future , given the reality, not the fantasies of the Communist Party and uncle Zyu, who has money in the country, appear with the wave of a magic wand.
          1. +17
            28 July 2018 16: 50
            Quote: Vadim237
            put it on the table as an icon

            Do you have Vlasov and Krasnov, Solzhenitsyn and Sakharov. With Yeltsin? Add Hitler and Goebbels there and you will have a full iconostasis of your authorities.
            1. 0
              28 July 2018 23: 48
              None of them have faith, and they themselves have not been the same for a long time, and Solzhenitsyn honestly did not read when he read.
              1. +5
                29 July 2018 00: 20
                Quote: Vadim237
                I honestly haven’t ever read it.

                Do not be shy, everything that you write here absolutely fits into what the aforementioned chatted about.
                1. 0
                  29 July 2018 13: 11
                  I didn’t read a single story of Solzhenitsin - only you chat, and I do.
    2. +7
      28 July 2018 14: 40
      Quote: savage1976
      Take a bat, a crowbar, a knife, a gas bottle and go rob a bank, gentlemen of deputies, oligarchs. It is necessary to feed the family, but there is nothing left to lose, life has been lived, and children should not be a burden. It will turn out well, but it will not work !!! So it’s also good, women are not really needed anymore, a plate of balandy in the prison has been put at the state’s expense, and there’s no medical help, and it’s easier for the family, one mouth and less medicine. And there are tens of millions of such people around the country.

      I keep saying this all the time. The consequences will begin with the first "landings." Unrest will begin due to unjustly convicted relatives and this will be the beginning of the end of the state and the "new boyars" ... am
    3. 0
      28 July 2018 17: 51
      You will be given a term and a fine for the damage caused, you will pay yourself from your Zekovsky earnings or from property (your share of the apartment), so this is hardly an option.
  11. BAI
    +2
    28 July 2018 10: 48
    Yesterday someone published a schedule - today, in many cities, rallies against reform. Just started.
  12. +1
    28 July 2018 11: 34
    raising the retirement age is normal, the Lord himself did the same thing .... in the end, few people survived until retirement ..., the Bible is our instruction
    1. +1
      28 July 2018 17: 54
      Slander the Lord - he did not raise the retirement age, but reduced the life span.
  13. +12
    28 July 2018 11: 39
    our year-old 38 years old died on our street, did not drink, built a house, get fucked
    No health care, no food, some ersatzians, have to work more, earn less
    Damn banned, but some emotions
    1. +1
      28 July 2018 11: 54
      My condolences, but Putin and Medvedev are also to blame for his death?
      1. +3
        30 July 2018 10: 48
        My father died a month and a half ago, 52 years old, was not sick, had a heart attack. They didn’t save, because in our city there is no cardiology center and you need to go to the regional city. Because Putin is the face of the state, then I believe that the state is to blame for what happened.
  14. +3
    28 July 2018 12: 00
    The trouble for officials of all times and peoples is that they do not know how and do not want to communicate with the people in a language that everyone understands, well explain on the fingers, tell everyone who is now entitled to retirement benefits, as now, they will remain (harmful production, work in northern places and equivalent), this is just an example, but how many other issues .... no, you need to make a muzzle of a residence permit to carry nonsense that they do not even understand
  15. +12
    28 July 2018 12: 16
    After 45, you cannot find work in the Russian Federation (calmly: there are no rules without exceptions, exceptions only confirm the rule, Moscow is not the whole country). Pension is rent. "Rent" is the percentage of savings. Only the rights of a generation that is just entering the labor market need to be reformed. “Reforming” the obligations of the FIU with respect to employed citizens is necessary only in the event of default. The default will be followed by impoverishment, population decline and deep reforms. Fasten seat belts.
  16. +1
    28 July 2018 13: 44
    "Igor Sotnikov, 53, unemployed (making a living with investments)" - where did you get that from ???
    1. +2
      28 July 2018 17: 30
      Quote: ytsuken
      "Igor Sotnikov, 53, unemployed (making a living with investments)" - where did you get that from ???


      "Igor Sotnikov:“ This is the situation we already saw in Ukraine ”
      I am now 53, I live in Yekaterinburg, and I have been unemployed for a long time now. I am making a living as an investor ". Reference to the source in the text.
  17. +10
    28 July 2018 13: 54
    Can you imagine what will happen if you cancel your pension?
    This is how many bridges it will be possible to build, to hold Olympiads!
    1. +6
      28 July 2018 14: 20
      Quote: APASUS
      Can you imagine what will happen if you cancel your pension? This is how many bridges it will be possible to build, to hold Olympiads!

      there was a message that the GDP seemed to want to hold the summer olympiad
      so one reader answered
  18. +5
    28 July 2018 14: 01
    Quote: For example
    There is no minus to sculpt, but an article
    280 Article. Public calls for a violent change in the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.
    1. Public calls for a violent seizure of power ...
    This is to the prosecutor.

    Quote: Cat Marquis

    3
    Cat Marquis (Marquis) Today, 09:33 ↑
    By 2018, the entire population of Russia has split .....
    - criminals suspected of calling for a change in the existing political system 138 people.


    Such dividers should be planted in the square so that the children can see what the lack of desire to go to school and the excess alcohol leads to.

    The inhabitants of the country are indignant at the failure of the people in power, and some bastards want to organize another unrest in Russia for this matter.

    The first thing that needs to be done is to restore LTP and send such “dividers” to court, so that there would be enough free time to sleep only .... occasionally.


    And what category did he belong to? All builder?
  19. 0
    28 July 2018 14: 05
    Quote: iouris
    After 45, you cannot find work in the Russian Federation (calmly: there are no rules without exceptions, exceptions only confirm the rule, Moscow is not the whole country). Pension is rent. "Rent" is the percentage of savings. Only the rights of a generation that is just entering the labor market need to be reformed. “Reforming” the obligations of the FIU with respect to employed citizens is necessary only in the event of default. The default will be followed by impoverishment, population decline and deep reforms. Fasten seat belts.


    A more sober look at the subject, but without specifics, unfortunately.
  20. +6
    28 July 2018 14: 09
    Quote: Vadim237
    Even if this law rolls around, its full implementation will come as early as 2034 - for 16 years everything can change several times, with a high probability Russia's GDP will be over 200 trillion by that time and the budget will be 38 trillion, respectively - there will be enough money for everything, and there retirement age may be adjusted for lowering.


    You really didn’t watch fiction on the box all night?
    1. 0
      28 July 2018 16: 35
      It’s reality, if you don’t tell, and there’s no fiction here, the full implementation of the reform in 2034 is the retirement of women in 63 years - if the law is passed this year, it will come into full force in 16 years. Russia's GDP this year will exceed 100 trillion - every year Russia's GDP grows by 8 - 10 trillion over 16 years with optimal development, as now in 2034 there may be more than 200 trillion.
      1. +6
        28 July 2018 19: 11
        Vadim, a few frightening realities are looming here. If a person has the strength to work up to 65 everything will be fine, but if not. What then? For example, the vacation season is suitable, but between Ivan Ivanovich and Ivan Nikiforovich, the season of sick leave will never end. Well, what can people say? What atmosphere will be in the team? And Ivan Ivanovich is a wise man, and whatever the situation develops, sick people will not be interrupted taking pills. How it ends is not hard to imagine.
        And what will happen to people who work on a rotational basis? In their towns, work or not at all, and if there is an RFP, it’s enough to burn for the apartment and kindergarten. They will pull the watch after 60. Only Glazyev spoke about the need to develop a program for the development of small towns, and for all Sobyanins they are just superfluous people.
        1. +1
          28 July 2018 23: 52
          Some have health at 40, so why should they all retire at age 40?
          1. +6
            29 July 2018 01: 50
            Key phrase: for some. And most just 60
  21. +3
    28 July 2018 14: 11
    Quote: DVTamga
    That's for sure. Not everyone counted. Still, according to medical statistics, 15% are just idiots - 20 million people. Moreover, some of this cohort even write here. Now democratic and good!

    good good good hi
  22. +19
    28 July 2018 14: 13
    Quote: Boris55
    All to the polls! Down with EP !!!

    Then the day before yesterday, the chairman of this very EP, Mr. (not Mr., another word), Medvedev flew to St. Petersburg. And because of him, several planes were forced to cut circles in the air, and one flight, flying from Simferopol, was sent to Vnukovo instead of Pulkovo. A few hundred people spoiled the whole vacation because of one gram - she. The President of Croatia flew to Russia together with the fans with one plane.
  23. +8
    28 July 2018 14: 31
    Quote: EvilLion
    The facts are the following: among the developed countries of the world we have the lowest retirement age, in Japan it is generally 70 years for everyone.

    Russia DEVELOPED a country? laughing
  24. +8
    28 July 2018 14: 35
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    No health care, no food, some ersatzians, have to work more, earn less
    Damn banned, but some emotions
    ivagulin
    1 Andrey VOV (Andrey) Today, 11:54 ↑ New
    My condolences, but Putin and Medvedev are also to blame for his death?

    Who ditched health care in the country? Died or Putin with his friendship? Maybe he himself introduced amendments to the Labor Code? fool
  25. +8
    28 July 2018 14: 47
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    this is a direct violation of Article 55 of the Constitution
    Bullshit. Show where your rights prescribed in the Constitution (and in the 55th it is about this) are violated.

    My right to a real pension is infringed by reducing the likelihood of my survival to this event hi . Didn't it cross your mind?
  26. +3
    28 July 2018 14: 48
    Youth is certainly good. Nobody will beat out their bread. But! Most freeloaders, quick-walkers and tyap-bloopers. There are normal ones who learn and learn from experience, grow further. Their minority. And they are quietly holed up by freeloaders.
  27. +6
    28 July 2018 15: 03
    I’ll arrive in my village in two weeks and go through the cemetery and determine this age of survival. Only readers of VO can draw conclusions.
  28. +7
    28 July 2018 21: 49
    Quote: For example
    The inhabitants of the country are indignant at the failure of the people in power, and some bastards want to organize another unrest in Russia for this matter.

    Some kind of upside-down consciousness. And why do troubles occur at all? Yes, precisely because the government is not able to rule! And there is nothing to call a Russian American, there is some truth in his joke. Well, die silently, without troubles, under the slogan "if only there was a war. "Such as you first gave up to Hitler. Minusovalschiki, damn it.
  29. +4
    28 July 2018 22: 14
    What State Departments ... What all disappeared ?! How did you get already to procrastinate all this ...
    I live from paycheck to paycheck. It exceeds the size of the pension, thank God. If I suddenly go to a "boarding house" tomorrow (and it will be ten to twelve thousand), I don’t understand how I will live ... Therefore, I do not consider retirement at all. At least seventy, at least a hundred years. I will spar "until the stop" until either disability is granted or they are not taken to a hill. The latter is more likely.
    1. +4
      28 July 2018 22: 35
      Quote: Petrol cutter
      What State Departments ... What all disappeared ?! How did you get already to procrastinate all this ...
      I live from paycheck to paycheck. It exceeds the size of the pension, thank God. If I suddenly go to a "boarding house" tomorrow (and it will be ten to twelve thousand), I don’t understand how I will live ... Therefore, I do not consider retirement at all. At least seventy, at least a hundred years. I will spar "until the stop" until either disability is granted or they are not taken to a hill. The latter is more likely.

      But is it good? Not from a good life is it?
    2. +5
      28 July 2018 22: 43
      Shparete. I wonder where you spare? And somehow we just want to live normally. We would like to get to know the grandchildren. So it’s exactly from your comment that everything disappeared. Invalidation will increase in proportion to raising the retirement age, and then what? Again, reform? For the disabled? The point of the pension reform is that neither pensioners nor the disabled want to pay money. It’s better to send them to offshore companies or to buy a trainer. And we, like suckers, pay to a pension fund. Is it better to buy dollars for yourself for old age or disability?
      1. +2
        29 July 2018 20: 00
        Shparyu at the shipbuilder-assembler of the CCM.
        Everyone wants to live. With grandchildren ?! I have three of them today.
        And from the wishes and rallies of money in the budget (at least) the family does not increase from something ... Such a strange "squiggle" is observed. hi
  30. +4
    28 July 2018 22: 54
    this whole situation has been characterized and described by one well-known classic, TOPs CANNOT AND NIZHES DO NOT WANT, it’s known what kind of bloody bathhouse this all poured out for the country and the people, but I personally won’t be given the answer to the question - DO I HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE COMPLETENESS OF RESPONSIBILITY OUR UNLIMITED GUARANTEE OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE SAME ETERNAL PARTY OF AUTHORITY FOR THE REAL (DIAMETERALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE TV PICTURE!) CONDITION OF CASES IN OUR GREAT RICH BUT EXTREMELY EXCEPT BEFORE
  31. +5
    28 July 2018 23: 18
    People with both hands support retirement at 65. Confirmation of this is the refusal to participate in protest rallies. In Orenburg, for example, out of 600 thousands of people, 1500 people came out to protest. So plow, blacks, to death in 57 years and do not blather. You yourself have chosen a botex and support all its undertakings. I am happy now, but no - I look gloatingly at those of my relatives and acquaintances who spit in the direction of the army in the 90's, when I rode through the mountains with a gun, and now I am retired, and they will die as slaves. This is my patriotic position.
    1. +3
      28 July 2018 23: 56
      There is a question - where is the information about the quantity at the rally coming from, I ask for a reason, the authorities have already begun to underestimate the turnout as much as possible, for example - in my city I mentioned one site that they collected a thousand (in my opinion) signatures against the increase, and they wrote on another site that there were about 400 people at the rally ...
      So it’s not so simple ...
    2. 0
      30 July 2018 12: 40
      And you rode through the mountains naked and with a personally broken club. Who did the machine gun and other equipment for you? And now you are like that. Yes, they didn’t eat dry food and slept at home, and not in a personally dug ditch. Do not convince otherwise, he rode through the mountains with a gun.
  32. +1
    28 July 2018 23: 32
    Quote: ytsuken
    "Igor Sotnikov, 53, unemployed (making a living with investments)" - where did you get that from ???

    What's wrong with that? The founders of enterprises that are nowhere working, large investors, and even miners - from the point of view of statistics, they are unemployed. Although it was more correct to translate as "not working."
    1. 0
      28 July 2018 23: 54
      These so-called poor and unemployed 15 million - taxes do not pay and life is chocolate.
      1. +1
        29 July 2018 00: 21
        Quote: Vadim237
        quiet so-called poor and unemployed 15 million

        Get out of it from Sumy and from prison. It is a misfortune in society, but it exists as long as you like it.
        1. 0
          29 July 2018 13: 17
          The fact that they do not pay taxes is to blame, for the most part, one side of the human essence - its name is greed. And for people like me there’s an extra load - pay for those who don’t pay, so that later, everyone has enough.
      2. +1
        29 July 2018 07: 56
        and who gave them such an opportunity? And without breaking the law even once ...
        1. 0
          29 July 2018 13: 18
          They themselves provided such an opportunity.
          1. 0
            30 July 2018 07: 47
            Did you try to understand the essence of the question FIRST?
            This opportunity is provided first of all by the Constitution, in which the LAW, and not the obligation to work, therefore, those who have sources of income, do not always pay something ...
  33. +6
    29 July 2018 09: 51
    Of course! Retirement age up to 100 years. No retirees, no problem. 300 gasoline and no traffic jams. VAT and personal income tax increase by 5% and you can close half of the stores. Taxes on the collection of mushrooms and berries still need, but higher ...
    So it turns out a paradise for the government, there is no population, no problems ...
    1. +2
      29 July 2018 10: 29
      History goes in a circle. At the beginning of the 20th century, in the relationship between capital and the proletariat, many workers understood (thanks to agitation) more than modern users of the Russian Internet. Citizens who did not attend school download the works of classics - Marx, Engels, Lenin. Everything is described there - what is and what will happen next. And even what to do.
      1. +1
        29 July 2018 13: 51
        Yes, of course, the paper will endure everything. Only action needs a leader. And associates of the leader, to say agitators. Something around I do not observe sane people.
        1. +1
          29 July 2018 17: 02
          Four people detained after rally against pension reform

          The authorities also read books ...
  34. +3
    29 July 2018 12: 14
    Igor Sotnikov, 53 years old, unemployed (earning a living by investment), Yekaterinburg,
    Mdya, Chelyabinsk, where men go to iron underpants, resting! I wonder where in Yekaterinburg the unemployed take money for investment? Probably in a microloan ...
    Putin, apparently, is "trying to mitigate" public concern about pension offers, and therefore says that he will listen to "all opinions" on this issue.

    And Putin came, saw all this obscenity, raised his hand and said: ..... Next, I woke up from a jab to the side and the words: "Are you going to work today or not?" ...
  35. +6
    29 July 2018 12: 25
    Yes, there were hopes when choosing a president for a change in domestic policy (change of government, addressing the direction to the needs of people), but immediately after the election: gasoline, VAT, pension, etc. Hope that there will be Glazyev, not Nabiulin. Greetings from Kudrin and Mutko’s very masterpiece. Putin’s rating has already fallen there (after the formation of the cabinet), and now even more so. So right abroad, the last term - do what you want, and I’m at peace
    1. 0
      29 July 2018 13: 19
      Unfortunately, from the change of place of the terms. the amount does not change.
      1. +3
        29 July 2018 14: 02
        You are mistaken, here such a formula does not work ...
  36. +5
    29 July 2018 21: 42
    More than half of my friends who voted for Putin in the elections now, after the retirement “reform”, are obscene! Direct Russian obscenities! Absolutely unashamed in the expressions.
    And even that stubborn granny who ran around the floors with us and screamed that everyone needs to vote for Putin, now she is silently offended and tries not to get into these conversations, although earlier, just say something about Putin is bad, she’s here- she threw her breasts at the embrasure!
    After all, her daughter will now retire not in 3 years, but in 11 ... Such a prospect will quickly sober up even the most stubborn putinoids today ... That's it...
    Although ... Let's wait until September ... what Putin will say there, and then we will firmly determine - "our" he or "not ours"... And already from this stove we will dance.
    1. +1
      29 July 2018 22: 15
      The correction is small - if the grandmother’s daughter is already 52, then she will leave for a pension earlier than in 11 years - in my opinion, in 2024 ...
      Otherwise, I agree.
      1. 0
        31 July 2018 19: 56
        Alas, I confess, I tried to mislead my colleagues - I counted, as for men recourse
    2. +3
      30 July 2018 14: 40
      Quote: Brigadier
      already firmly determined - "our" he or "not ours"

      Yes, it was 18 years to decide. What kind of "ours" he is ... Whatever he thinks on his own, the president is a function of the system. And in the end, he will do what the capital that supplied him needs it. And before him and with him everything was always not ice, very bad. Just 2014 changed the agenda. He gave the chance to the authorities to show themselves sovereign and patriotic and in this find common points with the people. After this, a series of cunning plans, the mysterious deaths of the generals of the Russian Spring, began. What has already alerted. Well, the last pearls of domestic politics are the last nail in the coffin of the “Crimean consensus” and at the same time a delicious spit in the voters. They naively believed that they were voting just the same for an alternative to this government, for someone who can restrain his aspirations and send him to such a welcome resignation. Alas, everything is the other way around
  37. +1
    30 July 2018 00: 28
    Arguments for this unpopular decision from one of the deputies of the State Duma, a member of the United Russia faction, Alexander Sidyakin.
    If in Edra all are ...
    1. 0
      31 July 2018 01: 08
      See from 31-04.
      It's easier.
  38. +1
    30 July 2018 02: 17
    He asks not for pizza itself, but for money. So it can work but does not want to.
    1. 0
      31 July 2018 00: 41
      And, we can assume that a person can be sick.
      Including the mentally ill?
      Not all the more or less normal?
      Yes, and which of us is “normal”, really?
  39. +2
    30 July 2018 04: 23
    Well, we don’t need the Slavophobe Karl, we have our own ideal of ruler, this is Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, the smartest man of the 20 century.
  40. 0
    30 July 2018 13: 46
    Or are we all agents of the State Department and all-propalschiki?

    Who knows, who knows ... You can’t slip into primitivism: approving reform is a "patriot", disapproving is a "agent". Similarly and vice versa, IT IS NECESSARY to call InosMI in their showdown with the government. Like, here they are for us. Never for you. But the tendency is to take the government out of attack, putting responsibility on Putin. If we have the chip “Good king - evil boyars”, then in the above quotes I have seen one tendency of “king down”, but the government is silent. Yes, because there are guys. My personal attitude towards reform is a burp of the 90s, I hate it.
    Threat. Off topic. Where did we get SUCH a hypertrophied role of personality in the 21st century? Some are really ready to crown a lifetime presidency
    Comrades, let's rally around Putin! We provide him a rating in 86%! And even in 90! Working up to ninety is great and easy!
    , others need it (that’s precisely it) ... substitute yourself for what the liberals are much proud with objectionable leaders. So even if you change something (and you need to change, it is not in the company of the Washington Post and bulk with Kasparov and Kasyanov)
  41. +1
    30 July 2018 18: 14
    Thanks to the author for the article - as always topical and interesting.
  42. +2
    30 July 2018 19: 40
    Ahead, very soon, on 9 of September there will be elections. And it is there that you need to show your attitude to the party of criminals EP.
    Going to rallies will not just be of no use, on the contrary, it will work for these enemies of the people at hand.
    But only massively go to the polls, without giving them the possibility of fraud and theft of votes that did not come to the polls.
    1. -1
      1 August 2018 14: 53
      Better tell me how much taxes do you pay to the budget?
  43. +1
    31 July 2018 14: 11
    Quote: kepmor
    I absolutely agree with you ... you don’t have to run to the barricades with cobblestones - this is death for the country, but with pure thoughts and reason to go to the polls ...
    and everyone should use their right to choose, and not sit out on the couch, swearing drunk and Putin, and the government with deputies ... that’s what we get best of all ...

    Again about the same? Well, then again, it doesn’t matter how they vote, it doesn’t matter how they count, it is important how they declare. The oligarchic official baryzhy class under control is absolutely everything. Resistance, attempts to voice the truth no longer.
  44. 0
    31 July 2018 15: 15
    That's exactly Mr. Chuvakin - you are all the agents of the State Department and all-muttering! And you don’t have to stick to everyone else, they’ll understand the pension reform without you, and it’s your job to raise more panic and criticize the authorities, which you are doing, not by the way.
  45. 0
    31 July 2018 15: 25
    Quote: edasko
    3. The rights and freedoms of man and citizen may be limited by federal law only to the extent necessary to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, ensure the defense of the country and the security of the state.

    So everything is correct, bastards can.

    Absolutely! And the basis of the constitutional system is capitalism with the priority of private property and persons owning it on a large scale. Rights, class enemy, golovan - there is nothing in this constitution about the rights of the people.
  46. -1
    31 July 2018 17: 49
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: free
    Why doesn't the president help change the retinue?

    The suite is struggling to arrange a crisis of power in the country — their foreign owners need it to start tearing Russia apart — they thoroughly studied the experience of Crimea. I think that Crimea and Chechnya will not go to the secession, but at the expense of Bashkiria and Tataria, I’m not sure that these republics were preparing their fighters for perestroika, they were only waiting for Chechnya to end ... Their militants haven’t gone anywhere, they are waiting for an occasion and sponsors with cookies ...

    Oh, how you suffered. There are many Russians living in those republics. So no need to escalate. The bais have already explained to them (to the Tatars and Bashkirs) how much they will endure without Russia ... In 1993, they also drove a wave about their lands to us, the governor Sumin gave a task and found in the archives the bais letters about the sale of the land of the Russian Empire, after that everything fell silent. Do you understand my point? drinks
  47. +3
    31 July 2018 17: 53
    Quote: kuz363
    I forgot about the security forces and the army that guard these officials


    Another 40 million pensioners and the same number of beneficiaries who will be raised pensions have forgotten, 25 million minors who now have the choice to go to work in an office before the age of 65 or in a plant in the defense industry, in medicine, in a teacher or in law enforcement agencies, where preferential pension. Mostly unemployed, office workers, lawyers and others who receive their salaries in envelopes and have not done anything for their pension themselves.
    1. 0
      1 August 2018 08: 56
      They are indignant, not screaming, first of all, those who have a head on their shoulders and who understand that the next step, the continuation of the logical chain, so to speak - this is serfdom in fact, can be called differently ...
      And yet - are you absolutely sure that the security forces will not be raised either?
      1. -2
        1 August 2018 14: 51
        Squealing, precisely that squealing. who are at odds with either mathematics or common sense. It is very, very unfortunate that in our country there are so many who are against pension reform - this shows that the country's stupidity is absolutely colossal.
        1. 0
          1 August 2018 18: 08
          You can continue to scream further, BUT this is your opinion, and mathematics doesn’t suit you at all, but you need to know this - but this is not good for your public, and you don’t have to touch some things at all, otherwise this reform will be completely tryns) )))
  48. 0
    1 August 2018 00: 15
    Pension reform is outrageous!
    1. -2
      1 August 2018 14: 50
      Yeah, that only now, and not 5 years ago.
      1. 0
        1 August 2018 18: 09
        So start with yourself, give up your pension in advance, as they say, "who submitted the idea, he realizes it"))
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  49. +1
    1 August 2018 17: 22
    I have never seen a normal, calm comprehensive review of the upcoming pension reform. On the same Topwar - there is some direct dominance of hysterical screams that do not contain any specifics.
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      1 August 2018 17: 33
      The scream comes from those who do not pay taxes or who do not live in Russia.
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        1 August 2018 18: 10
        write again about the screams, otherwise you still don’t understand)
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      1 August 2018 18: 03
      Really you have not yet reported? What a puncture)
      But seriously, where are you analyzing it, are you going to see ?? The pro-government sources will definitely NOT post it, they don’t need it, they all tell how tomorrow there will be few who feed the pensioners ...
      there are no other substantial arguments.
      SO IF IF YOU WANT TO FIND, YOU WILL HAVE TO SEARCH STRICTLY FOR YOURSELF ...
      P.S. As for the specifics here - see how many articles have already been, and again lay it all out ???
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    3 August 2018 04: 53
    No wonder Jacob Kedmi in one of the programs said that Russian officials do not like the Russian people, just pension reform is a clear confirmation of this.